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>> so good to hear. joining me to talk about this, stacey kaiser, psychotherapist. we're going to get into it with julia about the criminal history of phillip garrido. we're finding out about more incidents. let's start with jaycee. stacey, it sounds good to me that she's calling for her mom. and it doesn't sound like there's a detachment, that there's already a connection. >> i think you're absolutely right. the good news is that she was 11 years old. so she had already had time to develop and spend time with her mom. they already built a connection. so that's just something they're going to have to rebond and connect again. >> let's listen to another sound clip here. this is aunt tina dugard talking about what she's viewing in the relationship with jaycee, and jaycee's two young daughters. let's listen to that. >> all three of them are very tight. very much together. there's a lot of sitting next to that person, and holding each other's hand. and you can tell that the youngest daughter, she just sits next to her sister and throws her feet up on her lap. >> let's talk about that for a moment, stacey, the relationship between jaycee and her two daughters. how does that change now that they're finding out they're part of a family? with tina probyn, and that jaycee has a mom, and all those factors? >> well, it's a really strange scenario, as you can imagine, children learn what they live. these kids did not know the conditions they were in. so now they've come out into this world with more people. there's televisions, and all kinds of fabulous things that kids can enjoy. and so it's going to be an adjustment period for these kids. they're not going to know who to trust. my guess is they're really going to lean on their mom. >> the picture of all of them sitting on the couch holding hands, that makes so much sense here. i want to bring in julia, as we talked about phillip garrido's past. let's go back to '72. we're hearing now of a 14-year-old drug he drugged and repeatedly raped in a motel room. he was convicted of kidnapping and raping a woman in 1976. now we're finding out that there was, if we look back into some of the other files on this guy, and an hour before that he kidnapped and raped katy hall, he tried to abduct another woman. >> that's right. >> i mean, when you see this, and i want to read you a quote just to get your take on it. this is from the u.s. attorney mcgregor scott, basically saying, it's incomprehensible any objective body would ever let this guy back into society. it's an absolute dereliction of duty. what happened here? >> that's a great question, mike. let me just say, at the actual trial, the rape trial, i think it was not the kidnapping, actually he pled to the rape. he admitted that he had irresistible compulsion to do things of a sexual nature. he sat outside of grammar high schools and grade schools masturbating and watching little girls. he had no remorse over what he did to katy. he's clearly a psychopath, a sociopath. 11 years he's paroled out of the federal penitentiary, put into nevada state and gets out seven months later. back then, mike, there wasn't the level of awareness about the recidivism rate for sexual offenders that there is now. it was the late '80s. it just was a different time. and if he's behaving in prison, he's found god, he's a born-again christian, he hasn't done anything wrong, there's bigger fish to fry, they cut him loose. four of the five people on that parole board are dead. >> another is in a nursing home. we can't ask what the mind-set was. are we smarter now? are we safer now in 2009? >> absolutely. we know a lot more than we did then. and as everyone is saying, mike, if this guy was up for parole now, based on all of the same background that he's got, they would have laughed in his face and sent him back to his jail cell. that would have been the result. but unfortunately it was a different time back then. and that's what happened. >> guys, we have to leave it there. julia, stacey, thanks so much, guys. real housewives of atlanta, the reality show, quite an eye opener. but is it feeding the stereotypes of or african-americans? we'll talk about that in our o weekly "what matters" feature. stay with us. price.'ll match and so instead of searching for "deals" out there... you can go back to school for less, right here. save money. live better. walmart. car insurance company in the nation. but, it's not like we're kicking back, now, havin' a cuppa tea. gecko vo: takes lots of sweat to become that big. gecko vo: 'course, geckos don't literally sweat... it's just not our thing... gecko vo: ...but i do work hard, mind you. gecko vo: first rule of "hard work equals success." gecko vo: that's why geico is consistently rated excellent or better in terms of financial strength. gecko vo: second rule: "don't steal a coworker's egg salad, 'specially if it's marked "the gecko." come on people. the housewives in atlanta has really thrown black women into reality tv spotlight. the network describes the show as an up-close and personal look at five fabulous women from atlanta's social elite. does this do more harm than good at dispelling negative stereotypes of african-american women? joining me now, alana andrews, contributor to the national tv and radio host and pop culture blogger of egypt said so.com. ladies, thank you so much for your time. and helena, you have written about this in the root. one thing you specifically referenced is one of the more infamous scenes from the season. we have a clip of it, and then i want to talk about it. let's play that clip first. >> you're in [ bleep ] my face. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> wait a minute. >> no, you don't [ bleep ]. get your hands off of me. >> okay. alana, care to elaborate? and egypt i'll get you in on that. what struck a chord with you about that? >> i think the problem that i had with it is that we're supposed to -- these women are supposed to be ret tiff of this, quote unquote, social elite in atlanta. these are grown women, right? they're in their 30s and 40s. married with children. and they have this fight that just evolved into the street brawl. you see there's more bleeps in that fight than actual words. and it seems extremely immature for women who are supposed to be representing this elite class of black women. >> now, to be fair, that is one clip of a season that is about a lot more than that. and it's a reality show. they pick the most dramatic stuff. and they probably tell you to act up a little bit. egypt, i know you're a fan of the show. you say you watch it religiously. what's your perspective? >> i don't watch it religiously. >> what's your perspective on that? >> you know, that's the whole thing of reality shows, and why people love them so much. they show the good, the bad and the ugly. i don't necessarily think real housewives of atlanta is a negative portrayal of black women. i think it is a depiction of who these women are as individuals. oh, and by the way, they happen to be black. but at the same time, not all of them are. she's a white woman, lisa hartwell, half asian. >> but do you think there is anything harmful in the images that you see? >> in that particular scene, and because i do watch the show, and i remember that scene particularly, it was disturbing. you know, i felt kim was being bullied. it was unfortunate. we caught these women at their worst. and again, that's what reality shows are all about. >> okay. we did reach out to bravo to try to get a statement from the producers, from all of the housewives. we weren't able to get anything in time. but we did ---we do have statements we found on essence.com that women responded to in the past. this is what lisa said. i can't really worry about what the masses are thinking of me, because either you like me or you don't. there are a lot of hateful people out there, and being on a show like this you might have to become the sacrificial lamb. and sheree said this. i think you have to see that african-american women have it going on. we do live like this. helena, do you see any positive images in the show at all? >> i think there are some positive images on the show. but i think that's funny that sheree, the woman who was screaming the most, the one who tried to, quote unquote, shift kim's wig is the one talking about black women are fabulous and we're moms, and we're this and that. that's great. that's a great part of the show. it was a great part of last season. i think that last season presented these women in a way that they were actually being housewives. i think this season is all about, you know, this jerry springer ring master brawl that they're so interested in, as opposed to these women actually, you know, working at their jobs, raising their children. a lot more that we saw last season, supposedly that's the rein deshon snow is no longer on the show because she wasn't dramatic enough. >> funny you should say that. because we did have a comment on our facebook page where someone said that they thought that that was the reason that deshon wasn't back on the show because she wasn't dramatic enough. we did reach out to bravo to get thaer feedback on this segment. so we don't really know that's the case. >> that's true. >> ladies, thank you so much for your feedback on this. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> egypt and a big fan. >> thank you. >> just a little bit of issue with it, ladies thank you very much. check out the september issue of "essence" magazine. coming up, people are upset over the president's upcoming speech to students. the bottom line message is, tell kids to study hard, stay in school. there are some parents, they think there's more to it than that. possibly some hidden agenda. what do you think? we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. there's an uproar across the nation as president obama prepares to give a speech to our kids on tuesday. the white house says it's about studying hard, stay in school. there are some parents who are livid, to the point they want to pull their kids out of school for an entire day of protest. >> my rights as a parent are being circumvented. >> reporter: there's a lot of anger over the president's upcoming speech. the department of education says the goal is to challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning. but along with that came some suggestions for teachers. lesson plans, asking students to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president." that's where the trouble started. and the head of florida's republican party didn't hold back. >> the parents across this country, and the uproar that occurred, the department of education withdrew all of that language last night. >> reporter: and greer didn't stop there. in a letter he charges the president was going to use the speech to sell his policies, saying "president obama has turned to america's children to spread his liberal lies indoctrine eighting america's youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves." from the left? it's about politics. was there a little bit of problem there with the additional materials that were provided to go along with the president's speech? >> no. it's not a problem. what you have is some insane parents who want to bring their ideology into the table. why is it, i mean, i didn't see people sitting here saying when president george w. bush went to go read to students, oh, i want to see what book he's reading. i want to pull my kid out of the class because i'm a democrat. he's a republican. this is absolutely nonsense. >> reporter: the department of education has changed those lesson plans now. instead, suggesting students write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals. some school districts in texas, illinois, minnesota, missouri, virginia and wisconsin have decided not to show the speech. and other schools will let parents keep their kids out of the classroom during the speech if they want. and many parents are even considering keeping their kids home from school altogether on tuesday. >> i may have voted for mccain and bush in the past. i wouldn't want them speaking to my student or your student or anybody else's student for that matter, their child. politics is totally up to the family. >> i don't know. right now, i would say no. i'll keep him home. >> so what do you think about the president obama's upcoming speech? and the uproar? i'll be taking your calls. you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews. text us at hlntv. first, though, i want to bring in bill on the line. his son's a kindergartner in texas. bill, take us through your emotions on this one. at first you weren't too happy about this, right? >> no, i learned about this on tuesday. what upset me mostly was the curriculum guide they sent out to the teachers, what will be addressed before and after the speech. >> you were okay with the speech. you were more concerned about the curriculum and questions for students afterward, correct? >> to be honest, i'm a little -- normally i probably would have been okay with the speech if there hadn't been the lead-in in the country of the agenda he's trying to push through. i probably wouldn't have had a problem with the speech. or the address. >> okay. so let's hit on the speech part of it. are you okay -- i mean, our president, republican or democrat, isn't it okay if they speak to our kids about studying hard? because our presidents are a good example of what a great education can do for you. >> if that truly is the agenda on it and there's no lesson plan when it came out, i probably would have been okay with it 100%. have came out, i probably would have been okay 100%, but the lesson plan kind of threw me. >> were there specifics in this curriculum lesson plan or what specifically concerned you? >> caller: there were specifics and generalities, it was about the president, why is the president, all about the president. nothing in the curriculum about how can you the student do something, why is it important to follow the president, how can you help the president. it was more about the president than the student achieving their goals. and specifically there were questions like exactly how can you help the president. >> i know some of that has been changed and basic gist of it now is write a letter to yourself, not how you can help the president, but how you can achieve your long and short-term goals, is that how you understand it. >> caller: it is. and i'm more okay with that. carol is with us in illinois, your thoughts here? >> caller: just embarrassed by america for even considering not showing the president talking to the people. it doesn't seem real. >> i agree with you in the sense that if the president is going to speak to our kids about the importance of education, regardless of republican or democrat, i don't have any problem. if there's curriculum that's not really down the middle, then i think we have to address that. let's get another call. in patricia in virginia. go ahead. >> caller: i'm here and i'm really for the president speaking with children because i think that he's going to inspire them to stay in school, get their education and yes, they will help -- >> call in 1-877-tell-hln.