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Jeremy corbyn is plotting to run for mayor london. And ill be for mayor of london. And ill be heanng for mayor of london. And ill be hearing from the liberal democrats whip wendy democrats chief whip Wendy Chamberlain from their conference in bournemouth and the outspoken tory backbencher Daniel Kawczynski joins me in the studio to dissect another busy week in politics. What does he the plans to cut he make of the plans to cut inheritance tax now before we get through all that, lets go through front pages. Lets through the front pages. Lets start. One story thats start. Theres one story thats dominating papers dominating the papers this morning. Imagine, hs2 morning. As you can imagine, hs2 sunday telegraph goes with axe looms over hs2, over 8 billion cost shock. The bill has gone up by another 8 billion. Can you believe it . The sunday times goes with sunak revives plan to slash inheritance tax. This has slash inheritance tax. This has been waiting in the wings, hasnt it . Been waiting in the wings, hasnt it . And it seems to be a kind of pseudo confirmation that thats the direction of travel for the Prime Minister. Clearly with a key eye on the next general election, when the observer with sunak pushes observer goes with sunak pushes to hs2 ahead of tory to axe hs2 link ahead of tory conference. Im going to be discussing just minute discussing that in just a minute because theyre the link because theyre axing the link to manchester and the conference is manchester where the mail is in manchester where the mail on goes with rishi will on sunday goes with rishi will not triple lock pensions on sunday goes with rishi will not theresle lock pensions on sunday goes with rishi will not theresle iinteresting sions and theres an interesting commentary suggesting commentary inside suggesting that axe it, it would that if he did axe it, it would be political suicide. The sunday express takes fight to express pm takes fight to starmer and then the sun on sunday goes with strictly haunted, a story about potentially the strictly studio that my colleague Angela Rippon is currently dancing in being haunted by ghosts. Would you believe . And then the sunday mirrors got an interview with bofis mirrors got an interview with Boris Johnson and Carrie Johnsons former nanny saying, carrie sacked me for boozing with boris. Quite an interesting story about how she was sacked after she had a glass of rose with the former Prime Minister now lets bring in david mannix maddox, the expresss online political editor, former colleague , admin at express colleague, admin at express towers. David lovely to see you this morning. Lets go with your sunday express front page because it kind of sums it all up. Idea that felt that up. This idea that i felt that when sunak performed this when rishi sunak performed this climate last week, climate climbdown last week, he was sound ding. The gun on the next general election is that your where are your feeling . Where are we going . You think . Going . Do you think . I that that was that i think that that was that was everything that it was about actually , im not sure it was actually, im not sure it was a climbdown on his part. I think he was always a bit more sceptical than people gave him credit for. It was very much a bofis credit for. It was very much a Boris Johnson policy. Credit for. It was very much a Boris Johnson policy. See, yes, Boris Johnson policy. See, yes, he was climbing down influence maybe by his wife and their friend lord goldsmith, when he did that, some of the did that, i saw some of the conservative whatsapp groups. The was may election. Were the chat was may election. Were in this time, i think the sun on sunday something. Well, i thought it was going to be autumn. What is the argument in favour of a may election then . David so by doing the net zero thing he did, hes picking the fight for the election. You maximise that in the next six months, essentially. But the six months, essentially. But the problem he has with waiting to the autumn is that you have a small boats will start coming overin small boats will start coming over in large numbers again. He over in large numbers again. He will lose a lot of accredit. Hes had on the net zero side. The of course weve now got the inheritance tax. Yeah. Do you think theyll do this then. So the sunday times saying that theyve revived this idea doesnt actually affect that many people and labour could as policy to could attacked it as a policy to make rich more money. Make the rich more money. About the this is about getting the conservative base back. You look at breakdowns of opinion at the breakdowns of opinion polls, its conservative supporters whove left the party who are not voting, who are sitting on their hands. This is a red meat for them to say, come back to us, come and vote for us again. And then, of course, theres also been talk about this situation with regard to hsz. Hs2. Lets move on to that now. I mean, all of the signs are pointing to at least part of this project not going ahead in the north, which is problem from a political perspective, because they talk about levelling up. Hes going to manchester for the Tory Party Conference next weekend. This show will be weekend. So this show will be there. By were going there. By the way, were going to reporting live from to be reporting live from manchester. And yet at the same time, northern will be time, northern voters will be wondering earth they want wondering why on earth they want to that seems to to support a party that seems to have them, them adrift have left them, cast them adrift from a rail perspective. Well, i mean, the real scandal, i think, came a couple of years back when they cancelled Northern Powerhouse rail which much more rail, which was much more necessary. I mean, whats the necessary. I mean, whats the point hs2 . No, its not going point of hs2 . No, its not going to euston. Its not going to manchester. Remember manchester. I remember the days when were about it when we were talking about it going edinburgh in glasgow, going to edinburgh in glasgow, you know. Yes, this is its apparently, the apparently, according to the mail, slower now to mail, going to be slower now to manchester. Fascinating graphic in this fascinating graphic in the talking about how the mail talking about how because its not coming into because now its not coming into euston, but ending at old euston, but its ending at Old Oak Common, which is near acton in west london, because have in west london, because you have to acton to get on the to get to acton to get on the high speed rail. Its actually just quicker to go on a slower line from london to birmingham. So really understood so i never really understood what was the priority of london to birmingham. There were already there. What already good links there. What about manchester to leeds . What about manchester to leeds . What about to newcastle . I about manchester to newcastle . I mean, it doesnt make any sense i none of it makes any sense. It never did make any sense. And you know, sadness about this is that lives have been ruined. So that lives have been ruined. So people have been kicked out of their houses, you know, ancient woodlands have been destroyed. If they enough part it now or if they enough part of it now or acts mean, can they axe it acts i mean, can they axe it completely when the tunnels have already been drilled . Mean, to me that i mean, it seems to me that theyre not going to win either way because if they axe it, they look weak and everyones going to asking, youve spent 100 to be asking, youve spent 100 billion of taxpayers cash on this youre now axing it. This and youre now axing it. And if they keep on with and if they keep on going with it, still a White Elephant it, its still a White Elephant because working because people are working remotely. Its slower than conventional lines and it doesnt cover the north. Its a a black hole its a its a black hole where money was always going to disappear down. And maybe theyre to pull the theyre right now to pull the plug theyre right now to pull the plug it. I mean, i think the plug on it. I mean, i think the strikes franco have a part to play strikes franco have a part to play in this the fact that the strikes have stopped people going back to rail after the pandemic and, you know, whats the point of investing . Why wouldnt labour be in a better position if they supported axing hs2 . I mean, i appreciate they cant do that because of their union paymasters who are representing people who are going to work on these projects for years to come. There isnt the clear come. But there isnt the clear blue rishi sunak blue water that rishi sunak wants this issue. I notice wants on this issue. I notice that starmer hasnt said that starmer hasnt really said anything net zero. Im anything about the net zero. Im getting the impression the government to fight it. It government wants to fight it. It wants to the fight to wants to take the fight to laboun wants to take the fight to labour. Are saying oh, labour. People are saying oh, theyre well theyre indistinguishable. Well we the difference we dont know the difference between so between starmer and sunak, so hes saying all of these quite right wing things throwing the red yet is not taking red meat, but yet is not taking the bait on any of this, is he . Well, starmer is being advised by lord mandelson. Right. And tony blair, the right. And via tony blair, the former master of the dark, partly. And the whole strategy is to say as little as possible to stay under the radar as possible. Because every time he does actually come out with a policy , as he did with the policy, as he did with the migration the other week, it falls apart at the first touch and we kind of see labour unmasked. So its the silent assassin approach continues. Dave yellow fever. Weve got the liberal democrats their conferences in bournemouth. Conferences in bournemouth. Weve got ed davey in the observer saying, ill take the fight to the tories. Will he . Fight to the tories. Will he . Do you know , i think the do you know, i think the polls are underestimating the impact of the lib dem vote. We keep on seeing them around 8 to 10. We say , oh, the lib dems are 10. We say, oh, the lib dems are finished. Theyre nothing. Like, you know, when nick clegg got being deputy Prime Minister. And thats true to a certain extent, but were a swathes of conservative seats because of the way lib dem votes split around the country. Its not even its very strong in certain areas. So the south west hampshire , surrey, the so called hampshire, surrey, the so called blue wall, basically, which davey is saying hell smash through. Although im going to ask Wendy Chamberlain later. Wendy chamberlain this later. Shes liberal democrat chief shes the liberal democrat chief whip. This confusion over where they are on the eu got layla moran, their own Foreign Affairs spokeswoman, saying will spokeswoman, saying we will rejoin and is saying, no, no, no, we wont. You know, where do you you look at the you stand if you look at the wording of policy, it is wording of their policy, it is rejoin without admitting rejoin join without admitting that would rejoin because that they would rejoin because i think there are some conservatives obviously conservatives who are obviously back be back brexit that might be disaffected with sunak, disaffected with rishi sunak, but not going to be but theyre not going to be wanting support a party that wanting to support a party that wants to take us back into brussels. Right . In general, it seems that voters are completely disillusioned with politics and politicians. Interesting polling politicians. Interesting polling in telegraph where in the telegraph where effectively a third of voters say that politicians are the worst ever and also that they would like to see a new party or political figure to seize on the disillusion. Basically were saying that theyre trumping for a donald like figure. Well, they had that with Boris Johnson and it all went wrong. Yes they did. But there are other people out there are other out there. There are other opfions out there. There are other options there youre options out there youre thinking well somebody thinking about. Well somebody that close this that might be close to this shadow may be a mr. Farage. And i know, but we keep on grilling nige on this. And hes like, oh, well, i dont know if im going to step back into the fray. The issue the issue there is i dont think reform uk is the right. Um, if there was right platform. Um, if there was a conservative party on the a new conservative party on the right and it would need to be a new conservative party, i new conservative party, then i think that. Led by whom, though . Well somebody like nigel, maybe somebody like priti patel, somebody like priti patel, somebody on the right of the conservatives. Then there would conservatives. Then there would be a chance. I mean, sunak clearly recognise uses this because he has this week this comes back down to a reason for the may election is a more right wing than makes out. I say that than he makes out. I say that because weve had lord ashcrofts biography in the week come out basically saying hes a thatcherite at heart. Hes just been by Boris Johnsons been stymied by Boris Johnsons excessive public spending and some of these green levies that he never supported. He is, quote, not a hairshirt green. He said, yeah , well, im actually said, yeah, well, im actually quoted in that book. Are you principled . Yeah on the brexit issue, because he was always said that hes not a real brexiteer. And the first time i met him was on the day he told David Cameron to get stuffed because was to going support because he was to going support leave. And i knew rishi quite well when he was a backbencher and hes he always struck me as being a factor. Right. And the brexit year and maybe he keeps it well disguised at times, doesnt i think its been doesnt he . I think its been disappointing to a certain degree. Were maybe were going to see a bit more after the net zero climbdown of him unleashing his innen inner. Maggie, just a final word on with jenny on this interview with Jenny Harries in the telegraph, which incensed us both slightly in the green room will behave more like sweden when the next pandemic hits, says Jenny Harries, who was basically sir chris whitty. Was basically sir chris whitty. Sort of number two. Yes, sorry , sort of number two. Yes, sorry, hang on a minute. Sort of number two. Yes, sorry, hang on a minute. Werent hang on a minute. Werent newspapers like yours and mine and commentators like you and me saying throughout the entire escapade that we should be more like sweden and getting shot down by people for apparently wanting a oaps to be killed in their droves. Now she says this. I trawled through that article looking for an apology. Article looking for an apology. I didnt see one. I think they managed to drag out the admission that they would follow the more liberal approach that sweden took. I mean, i remember being in the zoom meetings with you know, little zoom meetings with Carl Hannigan and Robert Dingwall and people saying , with Carl Hannigan and Robert Dingwall and people saying, hang on, has anyone considered the effect on Childrens Mental Health of closing down schools . We reported this stuff. We got trashed on got absolutely trashed on twitter. Turns out we might have been folks. Have been right, folks. Whod have thought it . Anyway, david, thank thought it . Anyway, david, thank you very much for joining me this lovely, lovely this morning. Lovely, lovely to see as i think you see you. Now as i think you know, because she was on breakfast, Catherine Forster is in dover with the Peoples Panel. Shes a line up panel. Shes got a great line up of panellists to get stuck into our guests this morning. Catherine, what do your panellists want to ask the people appearing on the show today . Today . Good morning, camilla yes, good morning, camilla from oh, excuse me. Ive got a frog in my throat from dover. Were at the tea cafe. Its a lovely sunny day. Im in the shade , obviously. Lets meet our shade, obviously. Lets meet our panel now. So lets talk, first panel now. So lets talk, first of all, to the owner. Good of all, to the owner. Good morning, kelly. Thank you very much for hosting us today on the Peoples Panel. Its absolute rammed in here. Hows business and whats your secret . And whats your secret . Business is brilliant. Weve business is brilliant. Weve not had no experience , bad not had no experience, bad experience with business. Weve kept it all through the lockdown. Its doing really well. Our prices are low and business is booming. Thats really great to hear. Lots of people enjoying full engush lots of people enjoying full english breakfast. I might be tempted a little bit later. Right, lets go and talk to our panel now. Thank you all very panel now. Thank you all very much for coming out this morning. And lorraine, im going to talk to you first. You are. You talk to you first. You are. You worked as a magistrate. You worked as a magistrate. You worked as a magistrate. You worked for the border force for 27 years. Obviously illegal immigration, people coming across the channel a huge issue around the country. But youre really bearing the brunt of it in dover. And tell us what you think about the governments policy. Rishi sunak said hes policy. Rishi sunak said hes going to stop the boats. Is he . And whats the effect locally . And whats the effect locally . I dont believe a word that comes from the government. We lent our votes to the conservatives because thought conservatives because we thought brexit to going brexit was actually to going happen. Weve never given happen. Weve never been given the wanted. There the brexit that we wanted. There are immigrants coming up are Illegal Immigrants coming up on the local beaches that are disappearing wider disappearing into the wider countryside. We had a lady last countryside. We had a lady last yean countryside. We had a lady last year, aycliffe had one break into her house and frightened her the day, came into her during the day, came into her during the day, came into her are her kitchen. They are everywhere. Dont where everywhere. We dont know where they lost they are. The government lost control time ago. People control a long time ago. People locally have to wait 6 to 8 months to get dentist months to get a dentist appointment, but they hold slots open every day and my dentist for illegals to be brought in by border force to be seen by a dentist just in case they need it. They jumped queue in the it. They jumped the queue in the hospitals. Border force walked straight the front of the straight into the front of the queue them and nobody queue with them and nobody locally can actually get to see anybody. And if we that anybody. And if we thought that our Country Defence was poor before, weve now got grant shappsin before, weve now got grant shapps in charge. We are in a shapps in charge. We are in a really sorry state. If that bloke is in charge of our defence. Not a fan of grant shapps feelings are running very high in dover about this issue. In dover about this issue. Understandably lets talk now to you, steve. Steve, you were a deputy prison governor. Well talk a bit about wandsworth jail later. And but we were talking later. And but we were talking a bit earlier about Climate Change and the net zero policy. Liz and give us your thoughts. And i think also youve got a question for labour, havent you . Yes. Firstly im not sold on the climate issue. I dont think the climate issue. I dont think the climate issue. I dont think the science is settled as were being told it is. The science is settled as were being told it is. The country is being told it is. The country is being told it is. The country is being crippled with a cost of living crisis which has been exacerbated by the net zero agenda. Id like to know what labour would do differently if to what the conservatives are doing, because as far as i can see, there is not a papers difference between the two parties. Well ill rishi sunak last week sort of set the cat among the pigeons, didnt he, by softening a lot of these net zero targets, lengthening the dates before you have to buy petrol or electric cars etcetera i but yes, obviously the cost of living is high on everybodys minds and people are worried about that. And green policies, of course, labour would say that green agenda that theres lots of jobs, that thats the future. But lets talk now to you, ian. You are a dog walker and trainer. You work for animal charities. All over the world. And were going to talk a tiny bit about xl bullies. But also youve got a question about immigration as well, havent you . Yeah i just need to know what labour are doing at the moment. They seem to be changing their mind every five minutes. Are we to going sort of take thousands in from the eu and then give a handful back or , you then give a handful back or, you know, nobody knows what theyre doing. Doing. Theyre going to have to be rather clearer, arent they, in the run to next election the run up to the next election about do about what they actually do intend to do . Im being told to wrap up very, very quickly. Wrap up very, very quickly. Excel bullies is the problem. The dogs or the owners . The dogs or the owners . The owners. Its another dog the owners. Its another dog thats in a long list of line like pitbulls and everything. Just just a long list of dogs that have been demonised. Really . Okay. So a ban coming. Of course, the dogs wont be culled, but they will have to be muzzled going forward. And so thats it for now. Camilla. Well look forward to seeing what the politicians have to say and well come back to a and well come back to you in a bit later. Thank you. Bit later. Thank you. Thanks very much indeed for that, im weve that, catherine. Im sorry weve got packed show. Were got such a packed show. Were trying to cram everything in. So were going come back to were going to come back to dover little in dover in a little bit, in a little while. By the way, dont forget, want to apply for forget, if you want to apply for the Peoples Panel week, the Peoples Panel next week, its forward slash its gbnews. Com forward slash panel its gbnews. Com forward slash panel. Now, delighted to be panel. Now, im delighted to be in backbencher in the studio with backbencher extraordinaire tory mp for kolczynski. Hes the tory mp for shrewsbury and atcham. Daniel, lovely to see you morning. Lovely to see you this morning. Are for a may election . Well, 7 well, we . Well, we will be ready whenever, whenever the election is called. I know, but what do you reckon may rather than the autumn next year . Well, whether its may or october a difference of october its a difference of a few months isnt it. I know but when youve got a team ready to try and assemble an Election Campaign youve an Election Campaign and youve got you know, well got less time, you know, well come out of christmas and the next thing we know everyones going be leafleting. That going to be leafleting. That puts pressure like you, puts pressure on mps like you, doesnt it . We were leafleting well, we were out leafleting and shrewsbury and canvassing in shrewsbury yesterday. On nearly yesterday. We knocked on nearly 300 hours. So 300 doors and 2. 5 hours. So were already in election were were already in election mode and that will that will be the case for the next 12 months. Are you worried the lib are you worried about the lib dems shrewsbury . Because dems in shrewsbury . Because weve davey saying weve got ed davey today saying that intending on smashing that hes intending on smashing through blue wall. Your through the blue wall. Your voters not necessarily voters might not necessarily want to switch labour, but want to switch to labour, but they think that lib they might think that the lib dems a of a halfway dems are a bit of a halfway house. Well well, we never discount the threat the lib discount the threat from the lib dems in any constituency, dems in any in any constituency, but i think the labour party is the main main , main challenge. The main main, main challenge. And what about this net zero climb down . Presumably you were in support of this in the week. Very much so. And so are many tory party activists. Its are you changing your its so are you changing your mind rishi sunak . Because mind about rishi sunak . Because i remember last i remember our last conversation, a bit conversation, you were a bit ambivalent and his ambivalent about him and his conservative credentials. He conservative credentials. He perhaps he was perhaps didnt think he was right weve right wing enough and now weve just from david maddox just heard from david maddox talking throwing red talking about him throwing red to you. So you to meat tories like you. So you must delighted. Must be delighted. Well, im very i didnt vote for originally, but what i for him originally, but what i have over last 12 have seen over the last 12 months is he has brought months is that he has brought back into the back discipline into the conservative Parliamentary Party back discipline into the consnowtive Parliamentary Party back discipline into the consnowtiveisarliamentary party back discipline into the consnowtiveis givingentary party back discipline into the consnowtiveis giving usiry party back discipline into the consnowtiveis giving us theiarty back discipline into the consnowtiveis giving us the sort and now he is giving us the sort of policies that we can sell on the doorstep. Yeah, particularly over over the changes over net zero. Yeah the United Kingdom produces less than 1 of global c02 produces less than 1 of global co2 emissions and we have reduced those at a faster rate than most of our g20 competitors. So he understands, unlike sir keir , that yes, we unlike sir keir, that yes, we are committed to reducing co2 emissions, but we cant move at a pace which puts our industry and households at a disadvantage to our european competitors. Thats very, very important. Okay. She might be able to sell that on the doorstep, although obviously some polling companies suggest public are suggest that the public are behind the net zero ambition, if not having to pay for it through the nose to achieve it. Not having to pay for it through the and; to achieve it. Not having to pay for it through the and howachieve it. Not having to pay for it through the and how well e it. Not having to pay for it through the and how well does the idea of and how well does the idea of scrapping hs2 go down on the doorstep . Doorstep . Well, one of the reasons i supported hs2 is the then i didnt know you supported. Are you regretting that support . Daniel . Ive got to be honest with you. I voted for it because we were told by patrick mclaughlin, the then secretary of state for transport, that this was also an issue of capacity. We have we have been capacity. We have we have been campaigning for a direct Train Service from london to shrewsbury, and we werent allowed to have it for a long time because they said that the network is at full capacity. Weve secured a direct Train Service between london and shrewsbury, but we were told that hsz , shrewsbury, but we were told that hs2 , its not just about, that hs2, its not just about, you know , faster trains to you know, faster trains to birmingham or manchester. We were also told about capacity city. So do you feel you were lied to because it seems ridiculous to because it seems ridiculous to have been sold . Hs2 on the bafis to have been sold . Hs2 on the basis of more capacity from london to birmingham and now we seem to be talking about more capacity from Old Oak Common to birmingham and more capacity birmingham and no more capacity at all between birmingham and manchester. When you make manchester. Well when you make these changes like these monumental changes like these monumental changes like the victorians did on building major Infrastructure Projects , major Infrastructure Projects, which could potentially have major benefits not just for yourselves, but for future generations, of course , theyre controversial. Of course theyre costly. Of of course theyre costly. Of course, there are people who think that we cant afford it, but we cant really, can we . Its gone from 35 billion to 100 billion. Dont you 100 billion. Well, dont you regret cost or do you regret regret the cost or do you regret voting it . I do know that voting for it . I do know that this a polarised this is a highly polarised issue, and i know that there are many constituents who feel that we scrap it. Do you we ought to scrap it. Do you wish voted for wish that you hadnt voted for it . No no, im going to say that no, im not going to say that im waiting to hear how the government will respond to these growing issue of growing costs. But the issue of capacity genuine one. It capacity is a genuine one. It wasnt raised in previous wasnt raised in your previous interview david interview with my friend david maddox, is still an maddox, but it is still an important to be debated. Important issue to be debated. Demand the railways the demand on the railways has gone down because more people working people are working remotely. Since covid, this is one of since covid, and this is one of the which i recognise and the things which i recognise and i david in the sense i agree with david in the sense that , you know, next saturday that, you know, next saturday yet train strike and yet another train strike and i think the trade unions have played a big part in this blame disincentivise people from using the we can blame , we can blame the we can blame, we can blame the we can blame, we can blame the unions for a lot. And you the unions for a lot. And you know im the first to call out strikes that affect all of our travel plans not least when were trying to commute into work an honest days work and earn an honest days crust. Cant blame crust. However, we cant blame the unions a bill on hs2 the unions for a bill on hs2 skyrocketing from 35 billion to over 100 billion, and loon stick Decision Making, like for instance, axing the leg from Old Oak Common to london and now not investing in the north. I mean, youre in a more northern constituency than a lot of people who might be making this Decision Making down in london, the north feels behind from the north feels left behind from a perspective youve got the north feels left behind from a sympathise ive youve got the north feels left behind from a sympathise with youve got the north feels left behind from a sympathise with that. S got the north feels left behind from a sympathise with that. I got the north feels left behind from a sympathise with that. I get to sympathise with that. I get that youve got your rail link, but got not got but weve still got not got a clear link from manchester to leeds 2023. Leeds in 2023. Absolutely. And this is oh, absolutely. And this is and you are highlighting the alternative perspectives and debates and arguments of this highly polarising issue. And i highly polarising issue. And i understand the frustration that constituents, the residents , constituents, the residents, voters have over the spiralling costs of this project. Its something that the government will have to address over the coming weeks and months to explain what their strategy is. But dont apologise for voting but i dont apologise for voting for it because i do know that the capacity issue for us was essential in getting a direct link for us from shrewsbury to london. Lets just drill in to your experience on polish matters, the collapse of this grain deal between poland and ukraine and now poland had been a key ally of president zelenskyys now sort of talking about withdrawing weaponry. Whats your analysis of that . Your analysis of that . Daniel well, no two countries new to European Countries have done more for ukraine than britain and poland. These britain and poland. And these two critical nato partners have joined forces to help kyiv at a time of extraordinary manipulation and aggression from moscow. What i really regret is that obviously the ukrainians cant export their grain through the black sea because the russians are are preventing that from happening. There was an from happening. There was an agreement with the European Union that ukraine could transit through European Union countries to export their grain to third parties. That agreement that came to an end on september the 15th and the European Union has not extended it. And so now ukraine is dumping. Its grain. Im so sorry. Im going to have to leave it there because unfortunately, were running out of time. All were running out of time. All right. You support polands right. But you support polands decision i Decision Making in this. Well, i think poland is a very strong supporter weve supporter of ukraine. Yes, weve got weather coming next, and ill be very soon. Dont go ill be back very soon. Dont go anywhere. Anywhere. The temperature is rising. The temperature is rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast i well, today, very different day to yesterday. Spells of heavy rain, especially across the northern half of the uk. Best of any brightness really across the south. So as we start the day, got this area of rain across parts of wales and the midlands. This will gradually spread its way northwards as we go the course the go through the course of the morning, turning heavy at morning, turning quite heavy at times this rain will times and then this rain will then transfer into Northern Ireland scotland the ireland and scotland through the afternoon, wet afternoon, a fairly wet afternoon, a fairly wet afternoon come here, but afternoon to come here, but further it starts further south actually it starts to a drier and brighter to turn a bit drier and brighter with increasing amounts of sunshine, especially down towards could see towards the southeast. Could see highs degrees here. Highs reaching 21 degrees here. Elsewhere the temperatures tempered by the tempered somewhat by the strength of the wind and also the into the evening. The the rain into the evening. The rain potentially heavier rain potentially turning heavier still parts scotland still across parts of scotland and Northern Ireland. So watch out are travelling. It out if you are travelling. It could lot of surface could be quite a lot of surface spray on the and then spray on the roads and then through course of the night, through the course of the night, most will clear its most of the rain will clear its way into the north sea, leaving largely clear skies across parts of and wales. But of england and wales. But further moving across further showers moving in across parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and Northern Ireland. So as we do start monday , could just see some monday, could just see some overnight rain lingering overnight rain just lingering across southeast. But across the southeast. But generally for a lot of england and wales actually to and wales actually its going to be day. Plenty be quite a pleasant day. Plenty of sunshine, a few showers around, but for and around, but for scotland and northern really a day Northern Ireland, really a day of blustery showers of sunshine and blustery showers with these showers with some of these showers potentially and potentially quite heavy and thundery for most of us, temperatures generally around where they should be for the time of year. But in the south, in feeling quite in the sunshine, feeling quite warm , the temperatures rising , warm, the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Welcome back to the Camilla Tominey show. Now, theres lots more to come in the next hour, im going to be speaking to britains former top spy, the former head m16, sir richard former head of m16, sir richard dearlove. But before that, heres headlines with heres the News Headlines with our anne armstrong. Our anne armstrong. 7 00. Good morning to you , 7 00. Good morning to you, Aaron Armstrong here in the gb newsroom. Rishi sunak is newsroom. Rishi sunak is considering a cut to inheritance tax as he looks to entice voters ahead of the general election. Ahead of the general election. The sunday times claims the Prime Minister plans to reduce the 40 rate in the budget in march, with a view to phasing it out altogether in future years. Inheritance tax is charged at 40, but the vast majority of estates fall below that threshold , so married couples threshold, so married couples can pass on £1 million to their kids without being taxed. Less than 4 of uk deaths result in an inheritance tax charge , and an inheritance tax charge, and political commentator Peter Spencer says it only benefits the wealthy. The wealthy. It is a tax cut which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people who are not not so well heeled. I mean, what so well heeled. I mean, what doesit so well heeled. I mean, what does it mean to people who are renting, for example . What does it mean to people whove got a little got a little place that isnt worth that much . Absolutely zero. Meanwhile the economy is manifestly strapped for if you cut that for cash. And if you cut that tax, then what . Then then how does that impact on, say, cutting income tax . Which would which would be good news for everybody . See there isnt that everybody . See there isnt that much money to splash the cash to splash around if you give it to the rich, you cant give it to the rich, you cant give it to the others. Dozens of armed police in london have stepped back from firearms duties after a colleague was charged with murder. 24 year old chris kaba was unarmed when he was shot and killed in south london last yeah killed in south london last year. A met Police Officer appeared in court on thursday in relation to the fatal shooting. Relation to the fatal shooting. Gb news understands as many as 100 Counter Terrorism officers thats the mets most elite firearms unit, have decided to step away from armed duties as Mental Health has dropped off the political radar. Thats according to the deputy lib dem leader, daisy cooper. Shell unveil proposals for regular check ups on the nhs. For those at risk at her partys annual conference in bournemouth. Later, ms cooper is expected to say so called blue wall voters are furious that the nhs has beenin are furious that the nhs has been in her words, trashed by the tories. A Mental Health mot the tories. A Mental Health mot checks would be offered to men in their 40s a woman whove recently given birth and people in retirement under party plans. The home secretary suggests that International Migration rules and treaties arent fit for purpose in the age of jet travel and smart phones. Suella braverman is heading to washington and will urge us counterparts to consider a shake up to the International Conventions and legal framework. Works designed more than half a century ago, the home secretary has previously stated her personal view that the uk should leave the European Convention on human rights , convention on human rights, which signed in 1950, which which was signed in 1950, which shes blamed for the failure to implement the rwanda scheme. Implement the rwanda scheme. This is gb news is on tv in your car, on your Digital Radio and on Smart Speaker two and thats it from me for the moment. Now its over to. Camilla its over to. Camilla thanks, aaron. Back to the Camilla Tominey show. Show now and just a minute. Im going to be speaking to former labour and liberal democrat mp Luciana Berger. Also be joined by berger. Ill also be joined by the liberal democrats chief whip Wendy Chamberlain, and ill be heanng Wendy Chamberlain, and ill be hearing from britains former top spy, the old boss of m16, sir dearlove, and sir richard dearlove, and leading net zero sceptic, the tory mp Craig Mckinlay is going to join me the studio to give to join me in the studio to give me views on the prime me his views on the Prime Ministers net zero u turn. Well, were going to be speaking about that subject now to Luciana Berger. Shes a former labour democrat mp labour and liberal democrat mp for wavertree. Lovely for liverpool wavertree. Lovely to you luciana. Thanks for to see you luciana. Thanks for coming into the studio. Lets ask you the net zero ask you about the net zero climbdown because you were Shadow Energy and Climate Change minister for three years in the previous administration. Lets put it that way. What do you think . Because im a bit confused by where starmer stands on this issue. We havent really heard much pushback from him on some of the climate announcements that have been made by rishi sunak in the week. Weve got a briefing into the sunday papers that says sunday papers today that says that colleague ed that your former colleague ed miliband, know work miliband, who i know you work really some of his really close with on some of his own measures is liability for own measures, is a liability for the labour party and that people are getting annoyed with him because costing the because he might be costing the labour votes because of labour party votes because of his hawkish stance the his quite hawkish stance on the climate. Think . Climate. What do you think . Well, i think keir starmer has been busy this week has been pretty busy this week holding the government to account. Its a we are account. You know, its a we are i wouldnt say celebrating. Were acknowledging the Year Anniversary weekend of what anniversary this weekend of what was shocking period under the was a shocking period under the leadership of liz truss as Prime Minister and that disastrous budget which has resulted in impacting on so many people across the country, whether thats the cost that theyre incurring with increased mortgages, etcetera. You know, its a very, very tricky time. So rightly so, as i think the leader of the labour party, weve seen this week and weve seen him this week and deal contend that issue deal and contend with that issue being the city. Being in the city. Also seen ive also weve also seen ive also beenin weve also seen ive also been in france and montreal and i was also saying also, you know, on the international know, hes on the International Stage we stage and hes, you know, we cant worlds problems cant solve the worlds problems as a country ourselves. As a country by ourselves. I its absolutely and i think its absolutely right hes been spending right that hes been spending time meeting leaders both time meeting with leaders both in with macron in montreal. He was with macron earlier i think earlier this week. So i think hes been pretty busy. But at the same do but at the same time, do we think hes perhaps not think that hes perhaps not setting out his strong and staunch to what rishi staunch opposition to what rishi sunak saying . For sunak is saying . Precisely for the mentioned, the point youve just mentioned, that facing really that people are facing really tough economically you tough times economically. You know, crisis know, the cost of living crisis is thing for people. Is still a thing for people. Energy bills have come down, but were winter were now into the winter season. And if youre anything like me, youve put your thermostat back up because its been he cant been cold and therefore he cant position himself against this because saving because he knows its saving people money. Well, first of all, dont well, first of all, i dont agree with that. Think that well, first of all, i dont agre ofvith that. Think that well, first of all, i dont agre of all, that. Think that well, first of all, i dont agre of all, i|at. Think that well, first of all, i dont agre of all, i thinkthink that well, first of all, i dont agre of all, i think we k that well, first of all, i dont agre of all, i think we havet first of all, i think we have heard very robust proposals heard some very robust proposals from the labour party, which are very actually very practical and actually showing what government can showing what a government can and doing to support and should be doing to support People Energy people with their energy bills. So labour so whether its the labour proposal gb energy, proposal to create gb energy, that we should be creating energy we energy in this country, we should also be harnessing the natural have. Natural resources that we have. Were island, have wind were an island, we have wind that blows, weve got tidal power that we should be accessing seen that accessing and weve seen that you stall even in you know, stall even just in the past year. Seen terrible past year. Weve seen terrible examples of where we havent past year. Weve seen terrible exam any of where we havent past year. Weve seen terrible examany sortvhere we havent past year. Weve seen terrible examany sort ofere we havent past year. Weve seen terrible exam any sort of offshore |vent seen any sort of offshore Energy Projects ahead. Projects going ahead. So absolutely , shouldnt absolutely, we shouldnt be relying dictators like putin relying on dictators like putin to determine what were paying with you know, with our energy bills. You know, i the fact that labour i welcome the fact that labour has set out its plan to have a gb energy and theyve also set out warm plan, which out the warm homes plan, which would millions of households. Rachel reeves. Shadow Rachel Reeves. The shadow chancellor say that their chancellor had to say that their green plan, which is green prosperity plan, which is 28 billion a year on green measures , would have to be measures, would have to be delayed because there wasnt enough money. And then people said, you really said, well, have you really costed mean, costed any of this . I mean, theres suggestion that the theres a suggestion that the Climate Change act was Climate Change act that was introduced ed miliband has introduced by ed miliband has cost it at a conservative estimate about £500 million. So lets lets lets break down all those those different elements. I think its absolutely right that a shadow chancellor is being prudent with the economys finances and the way that we havent seen from this government. Are all this government. And we are all suffering. Mean, people suffering. I mean, people are now paying average a now paying on average £220 a year this year compared year more. This year compared to last year on their mortgage costs alone. If theyre a home owner. And actually, we have to look at the nations finances and doesnt know exactly and labour doesnt know exactly what inherit if they what it might inherit if they are at general are successful at the general election, certainly its election, but certainly its right to say, you know, right for them to say, you know, our finances are in our nations finances are in such straits we need such dire straits that we need to responsive. And i think to be responsive. And i think anyone welcome that anyone would welcome that because that because we havent seen that Fiscal Economic fiscal and economic responsibility from this government. Certainly , you government. And certainly, you know, people are really suffering a result of that. Suffering as a result of that. But labour has is that but but what labour has is that it acknowledge rightly it acknowledge and it rightly recognises opportunity it acknowledge and it rightly recog|that opportunity it acknowledge and it rightly recog|that it opportunity it acknowledge and it rightly recog|that it would rtunity it acknowledge and it rightly recog|that it would bring, it acknowledge and it rightly recog|that it would bring, you cities that it would bring, you know, to look at what know, we need to look at what the jobs the future in the jobs are for the future in this country and whether thats investing in our Energy Infrastructure or ensuring that we homes arent we have homes that arent spending. There are millions of households this country that households in this country that are money their are spending money on their energy and energy bills on electricity and gas have such leaky gas because we have such leaky properties, have some the properties, we have some of the most inefficient homes in properties, we have some of the moscountry. Inefficient homes in properties, we have some of the moscountry. So fficient homes in properties, we have some of the moscountry. So forient homes in properties, we have some of the moscountry. So for the homes in properties, we have some of the moscountry. So for the prime; in this country. So for the Prime Minister hes to minister to say that hes to going delay the Energy Efficiency targets , what does efficiency targets, what does that for the majority that mean for the majority of people country . People renting in this country . Equally, what does it mean for responsible landlord who are saddled 10,000 £15,000 saddled with 10,000 to £15,000 bills, which presumably they can only transfer onto their only then transfer onto their tenants with higher rents . I tenants with higher rents . I mean, has all of this stuff just been rushed too much because figures like ed miliband have actually zealots over actually become zealots over the climate . Theyve sort climate . You know, theyve sort of this kind of of inherit itd this kind of greta catastrophe Greta Thunberg catastrophe approaching narrative, which is actually not really in sync with the electorate who is saying we care about the planet, but we dont want to have to pay through the nose do it, not through the nose to do it, not least maddock pointed least as David Maddock pointed out, we only account for 1 out, that we only account for 1 of co2 emissions, but of global co2 emissions, but people paying for people are paying for it. Are paying for it at people are paying for it at this moment. Theyve paid and theyve seen it acutely in the past where theyve had to past year where theyve had to pay, past year where theyve had to pay, know, upwards £3,000 pay, you know, upwards of £3,000 for on energy for some households on energy bills homes so bills because their homes are so energy inefficient. And our homes energy homes are Much Less Energy efficient many other efficient compared to many other properties. Residential properties. Be that Residential Homes properties homes or commercial Properties Across europe. And this is something the government something that the government could have contended with. You rightly point out that i was shadow and shadow minister for energy and climate back in 2010. Climate change back in 2010. I did that role for three years. I stood opposite the government that said they were do that said they were going to do all these support all these things to support homeowners invest or homeowners to invest or landlords, and none of that came forward. Wrote countless forward. I wrote countless articles. Theyre online. Forward. I wrote countless awould theyre online. Forward. I wrote countless awould theyre anyonene. Go and i would welcome anyone to go and read its all come read them. Its all come true where weve years down where weve now 13 years down the line, were not in any better position to help households to be to households to be able to insulate and insulate their properties and whether thats home owners themselves, whether thats People Living in rented accommodation social housing, accommodation or social housing, weve issue. We weve got a massive issue. We have 19 million homes at a starting point that could that desperately need to better desperately need to be better insulated. Seen insulated. And we havent seen any happen. So people any of that happen. So people are today and theyre are paying today and theyre also paying Higher Energy also paying the Higher Energy bills seen a bills because we havent seen a government our Energy Government invest in our Energy Security our Energy Security and our Energy Infrastructure. So were now having to rely on foreign gas imports. Weve got loads of issues which many people, including myself, pointed 13 including myself, pointed out 13 years no further years ago, and we are no further down the line. Now here banging youre now on here banging the drum for labour and labour policies, which is great. Obviously youve quite obviously youve had quite a political were political journey. You were dnven political journey. You were driven of the party under driven out of the party under Jeremy Corbyn by anti semitism. At one point had to have a at one point you had to have a bodyguard you were receiving bodyguard and you were receiving appalling on appalling anti semitic abuse on social media in in other avenues. Keir starmer has now come in. We had a segway where you went to liberal democrats during to the liberal democrats during the whole brexit remain divide and a child in that and now you had a child in that time. Independent that time. The independent group that you labour then you joined from labour then ended uk ended up being changed uk you stood lib dem in 2019 and stood as a lib dem in 2019 and now youre back as a labour party member. Presumably then you that Starmer Party member. Presumably then you cleaned that Starmer Party member. Presumably then you cleaned up that Starmer Party member. Presumably then you cleaned up labourst Starmer Party member. Presumably then you cleaned up labours actarmer party member. Presumably then you cleaned up labours act on er has cleaned up labours act on this, even though weve got inappropriate used by inappropriate language used by diane comes to diane abbott when it comes to writing letters to the guardian. Weve Jeremy Corbyn and weve also got Jeremy Corbyn and the of him potentially the spectre of him potentially running for mayor of london. Whats reaction to that . Whats your reaction to that . Firstly jeremy well, firstly on Jeremy Corbyn, ive listened corbyn, i mean, ive listened very to what keir very closely to what sir keir starmer said and the starmer has said and the leadership of the labour party, and has it clear and he has made it very clear there future, zero future there is no future, zero future for corbyn in the labour for Jeremy Corbyn in the labour party he will not be Running Party and he will not be running as party, a political as a labour party, a political future for Jeremy Corbyn at all. When consider the sharing when you consider the sharing of the anti semitic mural and he denies it, but his tendency towards anti semitic tropes, but also supporters who have definitely harboured anti semitic views is i mean, im on record on countless occasions being very clear about my position on Jeremy Corbyn. And i think for me, what was most acute was when an independent body in this country, the equalities and human rights commission, carried out an investigation what out an investigation to what happened his leadership in happened under his leadership in the labour party and found the party guilty of breaching party to be guilty of breaching the equality act of being perpetrator. Covid harassment and intimidation of its jewish members , and also the fact that members, and also the fact that under his leadership there was direct political interference in what was going on. So you shouldnt run mayor of shouldnt run for mayor of london. Lets be very london. Well, lets be very clear. Going be clear. Hes not going to be running as a labour candidate. No, but should he run at all . Well, mean, after these well, i mean, after these findings, well, nothing findings, well, theres nothing to running as to stop anyone from running as candidates unless they are morally, he morally, morally of course he should. His position. Theres loads of People Living in london. Course should. But but of course he should. But but lets very clear. Hes not lets be very clear. Hes not going to be running on the labour if hes he runs labour ticket if hes if he runs as candidate, that he will be as a candidate, that he will be as a candidate, that he will be as an independent candidate. Hell be running the hell be running against the labour been labour party. And its been made very clear that he will not be allowed to run as a labour candidate, parliamentary allowed to run as a labour candidate,or parliamentary allowed to run as a labour candidate,or parl othertary allowed to run as a labour candidate,or parl other type of candidate or any other type of labour at the next labour candidate at the next general election or future general election or any future council elections. Cant council elections. So i cant control seeks to do control what anyone seeks to do as independent. As an independent. But you wouldnt happen . But you wouldnt happen . Absolutely be absolutely not. And id be very that does. Go very outspoken if that does. Go ahead. Remains to be ahead. I mean, it remains to be seen should run is what im trying. Of course not. Of course not. Of course not. I of course not. I mean, of course not. I mean, he hasnt. He hasnt either denied or that he will be or confirmed that he will be running. I mean, should he have just stepped from politics stepped down from politics altogether findings of altogether with the findings of that altogether with the findings of tha absolutely. I mean, im very absolutely. I mean, im very much on record as much very clearly on record as saying disgraceful saying how disgraceful it was that in the wake of an extensive inquiry, didnt inquiry, which we didnt even look, looked at a look, you know, it looked at a certain of cases. It certain number of cases. It didnt look at everything because it wasnt possible to check but, you know, check everything. But, you know, they took think around they took i think it was around 100 looked at what 100 cases and looked at what happened under his reign. And, you know, the shame of what happened watch, under you know, the shame of what hapleadership, watch, under you know, the shame of what hapleadership, which vatch, under you know, the shame of what hapleadership, which he h, under you know, the shame of what hapleadership, which he then, der his leadership, which he then, you know, to denigrate you know, sought to denigrate even not accepting even further by not accepting the of report the findings of the report was an disgrace. An absolute disgrace. Left weve got about 60s left a quick word on dangerous dogs, because you campaigned because i know you campaigned heavily on this issue. When you were labour mp. Yes. Do you were a labour mp. Yes. Do you think these xl bully dogs think that these xl bully dogs now should actually culled now should actually be culled though, existence . Though, still in existence . Because you talked about the ban, going to ban, but puppies are going to have, what, 10 to 15 years of life . Weve had another in life . Weve had another man in london badly that hes london bitten so badly that hes gone hospital. Owner gone into hospital. The owner cant apparently what cant be traced. Apparently what should so i did should be done . Luciano so i did have very, serious have the very, very serious events in events happen in my constituency. I saw not one but two of my constituents because constituents die because of dangerous paul massey dangerous dogs. John paul massey and louise and and louise kagel. And as a result of which i went very closely on this issue to see some come forward. So some changes come forward. So weve an increase in weve now got an increase in sentencing, its enough. Sentencing, but its not enough. Lets the lets be very clear. The majority dog owners in this majority of dog owners in this country responsible. They country are responsible. They look after their pets. You know, they they are they ensure that they are responsible and responsible when they go out and about. A very small about. But for a very small minority, is not the case. Minority, that is not the case. And we have a duty to protect people going about people when theyre going about their streets. Their business on the streets. Weve a duty, think, weve also got a duty, i think, to protect postal workers to protect our postal workers who the subject of these who are the subject of these attacks. Compulsory muzzles, dog licences bullies. Licences culls on xl bullies. You advocate . What would you advocate . What would you advocate . Certainly persuaded by i was certainly persuaded by the licences and we the case for dog licences and we certainly see that very successfully in other countries. When it comes. Liz. I think when it comes to these particular breeds, we have suffered in past where you suffered in the past where you kind identify one and kind of identify one breed and then theres of that then theres variations of that breed, means then breed, which means that you then cant owners to account cant hold dog owners to account when their dogs perpetrate when their their dogs perpetrate attacks on other people. So attacks on other people. So i think looking at breed alone, we have to look much wider than that. But certainly theres too many examples very many examples already, very serious people serious examples where people have lives at the have lost their lives at the hand of these and i dont hand of these dogs. And i dont think the measures announced so far enough to far are going to be enough to tackle this very serious issue. Quick are you final quick question. Are you going stand for labour again going to stand for labour again at general election . At the next general election . No plans. No no, i have no plans. No plans. Other things outside of politics . Yeah, im a busy mum of small but still of two small children, but still going banging the drum for laboun came back into the labour i came back into the labour party a few months ago. Im party just a few months ago. Im you know, im just a member. Im not else. With not anything else. I come with not anything else. I come with no hats on no official hats on a responsibility. But i, i see in keir starmer and Rachel Reeves and the rest of frontbench and the rest of the frontbench a you that is you know, a team that is absolutely dedicated to making a difference in this country. Very much luciana, thank you very much for joining you this morning. Well, minute, well, in just a minute, im going to be quizzing the liberal democrats, whip wendy democrats, chief whip Wendy Chamberlain, bournemouth. Dont conference in bournemouth. Dont go. Go anywhere. 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On welcome back to the Camilla Tominey show. Wendy chamberlain, the lib dem mp for North East Fife and the liberal democrat chief whip joins me now from their Party Conference in bournemouth. Wendy, thank you for your time because i know youre busy at conference. What its conference. I know what its like. Here, and like. Youre here, there and everywhere seen everywhere now, weve seen from davie this morning hes given an interview the observer where interview to the observer where he hes to smash he says hes going to smash through the blue wall. So tell he says hes going to smash thr0|how he blue wall. So tell he says hes going to smash thr0|how manyre wall. So tell he says hes going to smash thr0|how many seats l. So tell he says hes going to smash thr0|how many seats are tell he says hes going to smash thr0|how many seats are youl me, how many seats are you hoping to win the hoping to win at the next general election . Wendy obviously, ed was well, obviously, ed was pointing our four by election pointing to our four by election victories had since victories that we have had since 2019. And you may remember Chesham Amersham, that chesham and amersham, that was the our stunts with the first of our stunts with that wall, but i think its that blue wall, but i think its quickly developed as an additive because its clear that we because its quite clear that we have opportunity. There were have the opportunity. There were 80 were setting to 80 seats that we were setting to the conservative in the conservative gives in in 2019, but theres number of 2019, but theres a number of seats where we believe that seats now where we believe that we conservatives. We can beat the conservatives. So camilla, im not going to put a number on it, but what i would say is were working really hard. Were really about hard. Were really stick about the were working the targets that were working for got for and i think weve got a really credible set of parliamentary who parliamentary candidates who have already have been meeting with already over the weekend. You the public are do you think the public are sure your policies, though, sure of your policies, though, wendy . Its interesting. You mentioned and chesham. Mentioned amersham and chesham. Thats neck the thats very near my neck of the woods. Very and woods. I live very nearby and i was bit confused by the was a bit confused by the liberal Democrat Campaign because manifesto, you because in the manifesto, you speak about continued speak about your continued commitment to hs2, then lo commitment to hs2, and then lo and behold, when you campaigned in chesham and amersham, you were anti hs2 in your leaflets. So which is it . Are you pro the rail project or anti . Well, camilla, you maybe remember given its so close to you that cheryl gillan, who was the conservative mp in Chesham Amersham green , amersham before, sarah green, despite the fact that the conservative position then was to hs2 , was opposed to to support hs2, was opposed to it, and was opposed to on it, and she was opposed to on the basis constituent and the basis of her constituent and sarah green, now the mp in chesham and amersham representing our constituents in that but in relation to that way. But in relation to hs2, think for me as hs2, i think for me as a scottish politician on where we need to look at uk wide infrastructure and improve that and improve services in the north which have long been neglected. I think there is still a case for hs2 and i think its shortsighted of the government to be moving back from commitments. I think from those commitments. I think for in the its seen for those in the north its seen as a betrayal. If the liberal democrats are in a stronger position come the next general election, be that in a stronger position come the nethe eneral election, be that in a stronger position come the nethe spring election, be that in a stronger position come the nethe spring orction, be that in a stronger position come the nethe spring or indeede that in a stronger position come the nethe spring or indeed autumn, in the spring or indeed autumn, next if you were in next year, say if you were in some kind of confidence and supply situation labour, supply situation with labour, would that hs2 would you insist that the hs2 project continues . Project continues . Look, im not going to talk about what comes after the election or confidence supply. In think davey has in fact, i think ed davey has been clear that are been really clear that there are no and deals. And i think no facts and deals. And i think you only have to look at campaign mid bedfordshire to understand you know, understand that. But, you know, as position , we are as a policy position, we are committed to hs2 because we believe that what has long been neglected infrastructure neglected is the infrastructure to deliver the productivity and economic benefits that the uk desperately needs. The government has stepped away from levelling up. It is meaningless. Okay, another issue of confusion for me because of what your layla moran, your colleague layla moran, whos Foreign Affairs whos the Foreign Affairs spokeswoman, yesterday , we spokeswoman, said yesterday, we want rejoin the eu, she told want to rejoin the eu, she told a fringe meeting at conference. Yet at the same time, ed davey says you dont whos right . Layla moran or ed davey. So camilla, we as you know, the liberal democrats are very interested in policy and thats what were debating in the coming days. Coming days. And we have a four point plan in relation to how we rebuild our relations with europe. And i think thats the thing thats really key. And we didnt vote for Boris Johnsons oven ready deal for Boris Johnsons oven ready deal, everybody believes that brexit is not working regardless of what your position was before the referendum. So what the the referendum. So what the liberal democrats focussed liberal democrats are focussed on is rebuilding that relationship europe that relationship with europe so that we look at other things we can then look at other things in future. We have to in the future. But we have to be focussed the first focussed on that in the first instance. Wendy, to what extent . I think quote we want to i think the quote we want to rejoin is unequivocal from layla moran isnt it . Well what i would say is go back to our four point plan. We need to rebuild that relationship. This is not its easy to use words like rejoin or single market, but this is really complicated. Not only have we and thats what the conservative has completely failed to appreciate, particularly under Boris Johnson, hence the oven ready deal johnson, hence the oven ready deal. But we are in a position now where not only is our economy suffering as a result of brexit, but the trust and relationships that we had with our european neighbours have been well. Is a been damaged as well. This is a long project. Long term project. Okay. I also noted that yesterday the liberal democrat conference passed a motion insisting that menstruation affects non binary and trans people. Therefore, the language around women menstruating should be changed to people who menstruate. And the lib dems menstruate. And the lib dems trying to erase women. Trying to erase women. Camilla thats not quite right. The policy was particularly in relation to penod particularly in relation to period poverty, and im sure both you and i will be completely aligned on the need to address that. We know that 1 in 5 women has issues in relation to period poverty, where they cannot afford period products. They cannot gain access to them. And that is what our policy motion was focussed on yesterday. But whats this phrase . People who menstruate . Isnt people who menstruate . Isnt that as women . That also known as women . Women and people who are trans . It is a very small proportion of the population. Proportion of the population. But what im saying to you is, is that policy was about period poverty. And im pretty sure poverty. And im pretty sure that you and i can both agree about the need to address that. No, but have you removed women and changed it to people who because why not who menstruate . Because why not say women and removed . We not removed women at we have not removed women at all. I know women and girls struggle with this issue , but i struggle with this issue, but i think we also have to make sure that we are inclusive and we make sure that we are considering everybody in our policy making. Know many men who do you know many men who menstruate, camilla . Menstruate, though, camilla . Were talking about period poverty. I think it was a really strong, powerful and i really wish she had been there. You should look it back on youtube to hear the debate because we were very on that challenge. Okay, what . No okay, quick what . Yes. No answer. You dont mind to answer. If you dont mind to finish, are going to finish, wendy, are you going to be advocating votes for 16 and 17 year olds labour for im 17 year olds like labour for im the co chair of the all Party Parliamentary group votes at Parliamentary Group for votes at 16 father of the 16 alongside the father of the house of peter bottomley. Thats a yes. So that so thats a yes. So that so thats a yes. Right. Lovely to have an all right. Lovely to have an unequivocal answer at the end. Wendy enjoy rest wendy enjoy the rest of conference. To you conference. Lovely to see you this morning. You. Take care. Bye bye. Thank you. Now, Catherine Forster is lapping all that up in dover with our Peoples Panellist, catherine. Do panellist, catherine. What do they interviews this they make of the interviews this morning . Yes, camilla, and yes, hello, camilla, and welcome back to the tea cafe in doven welcome back to the tea cafe in dover. Weve been listening to what the politicians say. Im going to start first with ian and Luciana Berger was talking about dangerous dog. She said that to constituents had been killed by dangerous dogs. That to her knowledge in her area and we were talking a bit before because, of course, youre a dog trainer. You understand dogs very about the coming ban very well about the coming ban and what measures should be taken. Theyre not going to be culled. Theyre going to be muzzled. And luciano was also suggest that dog licences do you think that would be worthwhile . Yeah, i think dog licence is a good idea. Plus some sort of mandatory training for dog owners. Theres plenty of owners. Theres plenty of trainers around everywhere. So trainers around everywhere. So you could just go for a two week course and just know how to get your dog, how to behave in a proper manner and probably have more a stricter sentencing on on the owners that the dogs that do attack. Attack. Thats important, isnt it . And also in the headlines today, front page of the sunday times, the government thinking about cutting the inheritance Tax Threshold and getting rid of it altogether. What do you threshold and getting rid of it altogether. What do you think about that . I dont think it should exist. Youre taxed on your money to. Youre taxed on your money to buy a house. Youre taxed on the house, and then your children are taxed before they take over your house. So theyve got so much more tax out of us already. You cant really youre taxing tax. It just its madness. Hated by a lot of people, isnt it . So you think youre definitely be a popular a popular move and a vote winner. Steve, what do you think about a possible getting rid of inheritance tax . Inheritance tax . Well, i dont think its going to affect the people at the bottom of the social structure because those people wont have anything to give away or whatever it is wont fall within that bracket anyway. If it wasnt, i think its just a ruse to vote for things. Weve got an election coming up. Yes yes. I got an election coming up. Yes yes. I think you may be on to something. There are only about 4 of deaths do result in an inheritance tax charge. And just very quickly on prisons, because weve got lots of things to talk about. You were deputy about. But you were deputy prison governor. You worked at wandsworth a long time. Were wandsworth for a long time. Were you surprised by the escape . Very quickly and then anything else that you noticed today . Else that you noticed today . I was surprised. Theres a lot of changes gone on in the Prison Service and Staffing Levels have dropped to what i would say a dangerous levels. Would say a dangerous levels. But of course, basic security doesnt change. And there should have been some basic checks when that vehicle went in and when that vehicle went in and when that vehicle went out. Yes, lots of questions to answer as to as to how that happened. But, of course, the Prison Service has been under a lot of strain, has it, in recent years. And lorraine, to finish up with you , what did you make up with you, what did you make of what the politicians had to say . And also Suella Braverman is going to be talking tough this week about immigration. I think youve got a message for the government, havent you . I have. Wendy chamberlain just said that brexit hasnt been working it worked been working. It hasnt worked because didnt get brexit. It because we didnt get brexit. It was never done properly. We when are the politicians going to grow a pair and get us out of the European Court of human rights . So there you are, a very clear message from lorraine in doven clear message from lorraine in dover. We expect to be hearing a lot about this from Suella Braverman, the home secretary, whos going to new york this week and making a speech. But for now, from dover, back to you. Camilla, great job, Catherine Forster and all of our Peoples Panellists. Thank you. You know, politicians have to grow a pair of they appear on this show because grill because i do grill them sometimes. Run of sometimes. They run scared of that. Sometimes dont get the that. Sometimes we dont get the politicians appearing because they might roughed politicians appearing because thea might roughed politicians appearing because thea but might roughed politicians appearing because thea but asmight roughed politicians appearing because thea but as i ight roughed politicians appearing because thea but as i say, roughed politicians appearing because thea but as i say, imoughed politicians appearing because thea but as i say, im fairhed up a bit. But as i say, im fair to both sides in being robust in my questioning. Now, somebody whos in his whos also been robust in his questioning in the is questioning in the past is sir richard dearlove, of richard dearlove, former head of mi6, me now. Sir mi6, who joins me now. Sir richard, lovely speak you richard, lovely to speak to you this sunday morning. Thanks very much your time. I mean, this much for your time. I mean, this is that weve seen five is the week that weve seen five bulgarians arrested for suspected of suspected spying on behalf of russia. Weve obviously had the chinese spying scandal in parliament. So, richard , whats parliament. So, richard, whats your view . Have we got a problem with espionage that might have escalated in recent years as well . It may have escalated on the chinese side. And i think the chinese side. And i think the chinese probably have become more active over the last decade or on the russian side. Its a problem thats been there since the end of the cold war. There hasnt been a break in russian espionage activity. Its just continued at much the same level. But every now and again, you see a bit more of the iceberg above the water. Chinese spying story involving a Research Author who had been able to get a pass into parliament. Does that worry you . Does it surprise you or is this stuff always happened and perhaps been thwarted by mi6 always happened and perhaps been thwarted by m16 and others before the publics even got to know about it . Well i think know about it . Well i think theres a lot that you dont learn, and thats not surprising because its kept secret. Because its kept secret. It doesnt appear in the pubuc it doesnt appear in the public domain. I think the case in parliament indicates that for foreign governments that are hostile to us always take an interest activity and try and exercise influence in any way that they can. Im not sure exactly the character of this case in parliament. It is it its unusual. We havent had a case quite that bare in mind. You had this lady lee, this solicitor in london quite recently, who when she was identified, sort his influence, did a runner and disappeared overseas. We have a similar case overseas. We have a similar case probably with this young man. And i thought it was interesting as well when you said about the cold war, the repossessed meaning of our relationship with china, theres been quite lot of political been quite a lot of political debate this. Have we debate about this. Have we been too close chinese under too close to the chinese under Cameron Osborne . Should we cameron and osborne . Should we now some distance between us now put some distance between us as advocated liz truss . As was advocated by liz truss . How should we be managing our relationship china to with relationship with china to with great care is my answer. And i think if you go back, yes, we were rather naive. I mean , ive said this publicly mean, ive said this publicly before, ive criticised David Cameron and George Osborne for being far too enthusiastic to get close to china. Now we have a close relationship, a close economic relationship, but that relationship needs to be conducted with our eyes wide open, realising the downside, the dangers, the difficulties of deaung the dangers, the difficulties of dealing with china when you their attitude towards us is not entirely one of co option and friendliness. They dont believe friendliness. They dont believe in win win. They believe in we win, you lose. Win, you lose. I was speaking to a defence and security expert in Parliament Last week who was talking about the fear of the threat to our cyber and other infrastructure. Theres been infrastructure. Theres been talk in the past about the vulnerability perhaps of some of the undersea cables which connect us to the rest of the world and the responses for a lot of our internet and other infrastructure is that a key concern, sir richard, that i would understand as escalated in recent times because of the technological advances weve all made, it might actually make us more vulnerable. More vulnerable. Well, i think the russians specifically did develop and have sophisticated means for attacking undersea cables. I think that weve probably had some incidents which were arent necessarily proven for example, the cable to the Shetland Islands was cut earlier. I think last year. Yeah, its a problem. Last year. Yeah, its a problem. Its a vulnerability. And i think its one that the uk being an island is very, very conscious of. And there are conscious of. And there are measures im sure, being taken to defend that part of our infrastructure , which is so critical. In your analysis of putin at the moment, i know youve raised concerns in the past about his health. He appeared with kim jong un quite recently. His legs seem to be tapping a lot. Whats your assessment of his current state, sir richard . State, sir richard . Well, im not a clinician. And you know , anything that we and you know, anything that we say about that is likely guesswork. But i mean, i do have quite a few medical friends who watch him carefully and the consensus seems to be that he might have parkinsons, but i gather that parkinsons comes in different forms and it isnt necessarily its an illness that can be controlled or its an illness that can be much, much more serious. Im not going to, as it were, claim, medical knowledge , but i think theres knowledge, but i think theres a fair amount of evidence to indicate theres something wrong with it. Whats your prediction on how his reign at the kremlin might come to an end . Unseated by somebody on the inside . Somebody on the inside . Well, i think there are two possible parties. You could have possible parties. You could have someone within his group sort of depose him or so that the same people remain. And i think the people remain. And i think the lead candidate for that would be someone like nikolai patrushev, whos head of his security council, former head of the internal kgb , what known now as internal kgb, what known now as the fsb. So thats one possibility. I mean, the other possibility. I mean, the other possibility is , is something possibility is, is something much more serious and as it were, change of regime. I think a lot really depends now on what happensin a lot really depends now on what happens in ukraine. I mean, if ukraine does regain all of its territory. So that you have, lets say, a defeat of russia, i think the implications then are much, much more serious. Think the implications then are much, much more serious. Maybe much, much more serious. Maybe the war going badly, but hanging on to some of the territory is a different scenario. I mean, the different scenario. I mean, the problem that we have, i say , problem that we have, i say, whats your prediction for that . Because obviously weve seen the ukrainians make some gains this weekend in crimea. Theyve this weekend in crimea. Theyve obviously knocked out a key strategic russian target when it comes to reclaiming the territory that theyve lost. What likelihood is there of that, do you think, sir richard . 7. I 7 i dont . I dont think 7 i dont think we . I dont think we can 7 i dont think we can yet predict that the military initiative is definitely with the ukrainians at the moment. The offensive is going slowly. The offensive is going slowly. But when i was in ukraine earlier this year, they were quite clear that there wouldnt be a magic counter offensive. There would be a series of punches, a series of initiatives. And i think that progress on the battlefield now, i think , depends on our i think, depends on our determination to support and to continue to arm them. And i mean, for example , the american mean, for example, the american supply of atacms , these longer supply of atacms, these longer range missiles, things like that, can really tip the balance in their favour. But clearly theyre making progress in the south and theyve made some quite optimistic statement recently. And their attack on sevastopol clearly was strategically significant and an important sort of morale boost for. So we have to wait and see what happens over the next few months. And then of course, therell be probably another offensive next spring after a reduction of fighting in the winter. So i was wondering whether theres a fear, perhaps, that theres a fear, perhaps, that the west is growing a little weary. I note what youre saying the west is growing a little weary. The ote what youre saying the west is growing a little weary. The long range|re saying the west is growing a little weary. The long range missilesg about the long range missiles from had boris from the us. We had Boris Johnson in spectator johnson writing in the spectator an addition ago saying we really need step up support. And need to step up our support. And actually there has been this well, ongoing from well, ongoing weariness from the likes and other likes of germany and other European Countries and then poland and this grain deal, perhaps jeopardising their support for the ukraine. I yeah , there are problems. Theres a problem with poland. But i think this is largely related to the polish , largely related to the polish, the forthcoming polish election. And you know, the rural vote for the current government and winning that election. So its a winning that election. So its a spat. I winning that election. So its a spat. I dont think its to , spat. I dont think its to, going as it were, undermine ultimately the strategic relationship between poland and the ukraine war weariness. Yes. I mean, there are problems in germany. We you know, if you look at the sort of polling in relation to ukraine, there are problems in france, slovakia. Problems in france, slovakia. And then, course, one has the and then, of course, one has the concern of trump and concern in of trump and a possible trump type president ial candidate. These are problems. Candidate. These are problems. But but on that subject, sir richard , and im not going to richard, and im not going to predict how its going to turn out, but so far, so good. Were sustaining our support for the ukrainians. And thats important. Quick answer to this one, sir richard, if you dont mind on that subject, whos a bigger threat to western democracy, donald trump or an increasingly bewildered joe biden. I think bewildered joe biden. I think trump is probably the worst outcome of the two. Its a bit of a hobsons choice, though, isnt it . Sir richard . Isnt it . Sir richard . It is indeed. Isnt it . Sir richard . It is indeed. And maybe it is indeed. And maybe neither will be president ial candidates. Thank you very, very much indeed for your time this morning, sir richard dearlove. Now, dont go anywhere , because, now, dont go anywhere, because, of course, its been a big week for rishi sunak. On wednesday, he dumped a number of the governments key climate commitment. S after the break, commitment. S after the break, im going be hearing from im going to be hearing from somebody who possibly thinks the government should gone even government should have gone even further. The tory mp Craig Mckinlay. In you company right through until 7 00 this evening. Gb news is the peoples. Channel the peoples. Channel welcome back to the Camilla Tominey show as promised, im joined by Craig Mckinley in the studio. Hes the tory mp for south thanet and chair of the net zero scrutiny committee. Youve scrutinised the governments plans. Do you governments plans. What do you reckon . Climbed down on reckon . Has he climbed down on the stuff enough or does the climate stuff enough or does he to be more . He need to be more . What im very pleased about is weve opened the door is i think weve opened the door to because we to a discussion because we havent a discussion havent been having a discussion before word heard a lot before, a word weve heard a lot of this week is pragmatism. Yes. And this is a pragmatic and i think this is a pragmatic approach. And do you know what is really underlying all is is really underlying all this is that not have enough that we do not have enough electricity generation. I thought to say thought you were going to say votes for some of those would be nice as well. Politically, its politically more for to more expedient for him to abandon these pledges or more expedient for him to ableast| these pledges or more expedient for him to ableast delay these pledges or more expedient for him to ableast delay them ese pledges or more expedient for him to ableast delay them because, |es or more expedient for him to ableast delay them because, you r at least delay them because, you know its going you know its going to win you votes. End of the votes. Well at the end of the day, were here to get elected. Were here to serve the public. You might also be serving the pubuc h you might also be serving the public if you try and public better if you try and save the planet. Well , i save the planet. Well, i dont thats well, i dont think thats stopped all. Weve still got stopped at all. Weve still got the place, good or the 2050 in place, for good or ill. We dont agree ill. Yeah, but we dont agree with that. Then im a bit. Then im a bit. Why 2051 or 2045 . 1 or 2055. But what im concerned about is the rest of the world are really saying yes to all this. And we seem to be embarking on a potentially £3 trillion enterprise, 3 trillion i mean , enterprise, 3 trillion i mean, thats from National Grid that thats from National Grid that thatis thats from National Grid that that is the potential up cost of decarbonising the uk. We need to decarbonising the uk. We need to have that debate. And i need to be absolutely sure that these forecasts and Everything Else are just think about the obr. They couldnt get a they couldnt even get a forecast right months forecast right five months ahead. Were wrong. But ahead. There were 14 wrong. But suddenly Climate Change suddenly the Climate Change forecast is have got it absolutely 2100. I hope absolutely right to 2100. I hope they i really they they have. I really hope they have because a £3 trillion enterprise has got to be founded on the argument that will be 3 trillion up until 2050. It is it is. But i mean, just let me just explain. The energy supply. Only 20 of the energy use is 20 of the energy we use is electricity. The other 80 is petrol. Diesel in your tank and gas and oil in your home. We havent even got to the renewable sources to get to the 20 of electricity we use. Were actually talking about replacing that 80 with renewable sources or nuclear. I hope im very much in favour of nuclear. And then youve got to have a fair bit in reserve to charge whatever youre going to charge to be the storage mechanism when the storage mechanism for when the wind doesnt blow. Because typically and a of years typically and a couple of years ago germany, they had ago in germany, they had a wonderful word dunkel flouter is when an anti cyclone when you have an anti cyclone sitting above europe and the wind hasnt blown in the coldest bit of the winter because we had Luciana Berger on earlier talking about wind power and tidal and its all lovely, but where are you going to store it . This is the truth that nobody is talking about. Youve got a choice of batteries ive got choice of batteries and ive got real grave concerns about batteries. We really to batteries. Do we really want to be entering chinese supply be entering a chinese supply chain . So were jumping out of chain . So were jumping out of putins frying pan into president xis fire is one. You could do some some pumping up hills so you can use hydropower , but nobodys really talking about what the solution is. Im worried that we are nudging the population into technologies that are very raw, not really tried. Are batteries in cars the best we can do if we have that pause , perhaps hydrogen might pause, perhaps hydrogen might show itself again. Need loads and loads of electric power to make the stuff or it might be a synthetic fuel. But even if were looking at hydrogen and other options, youre going to have to put a shedload of investment into some of industries and of those industries and therefore going to cost the therefore its going to cost the taxpayer in the long run, whatever happens, if going taxpayer in the long run, wibeever happens, if going taxpayer in the long run, wae switching ns, if going taxpayer in the long run, wae switching ns, ifmore going to be switching ever more greener, i think can greener, which i think we can both agree should do, dont both agree we should do, dont want luddite about it and want to be luddite about it and go to the days of the go back to the days of the industrial revolution, pollution filling our and all the industrial revolution, pollution fillirof our and all the industrial revolution, pollution fillirof it. and all the industrial revolution, pollution fillirof it. What and all the industrial revolution, pollution fillirof it. What iand all the industrial revolution, pollution fillirof it. What i foundl the rest of it. What i found interesting about what you wrote for sunday this interesting about what you wrote for is sunday this interesting about what you wrote for is yourernday this interesting about what you wrote for is youre talking|is interesting about what you wrote for is youre talking about morning is youre talking about the counter intuitive nature of the counter intuitive nature of the drive electric cars, the drive towards electric cars, and saying in and youre basically saying in the that theyll need the headline that theyll need to streets using to excavate the streets using diesel diggers. Good and diesel diggers. Good point. And then the then you talk about the electrification plans for lamppost as lamppost bins and benches as pie in do you say that . In the sky. Why do you say that . Youve got to connect or find an electricity supplier to a lamppost . Say a lamppost only uses about one kilowatt. Theres only got to do a bit of lighting to actually have a fast charger. Uses 100kw, so to get that power to it, youre going to have to have some substantial cabling, some substantial new substation and some Electricity Supply , and some Electricity Supply, please. Wheres the electricity coming from . Is the problem. I mean, my energy plan is that we go for a decade of gas, domestic, preferably three. So were not importing lng from as far away as australia, which on any co2 terms is mad. Far away as australia, which on any co2 terms is mad. Yeah. As any co2 terms is mad. Yeah. As we finally get back on track for a Nuclear Future is the which was abandoned in 1997 by tony blair and weve only just about talking about the Prime Minister i listen to you craig. Do you go into downing street and have these chats . Ive had discussions with many of senior ministers. I many of the senior ministers. I havent had a 1 to 1 with the Prime Minister about but Prime Minister about this, but energy certainly Energy Ministers most certainly have. Think my views on have. And i think my views on the Energy Policy were made very have. And i think my views on the e with policy were made very have. And i think my views on the e with the. Icy were made very have. And i think my views on the e with the passage made very have. And i think my views on the e with the passage ofade very have. And i think my views on the e with the passage of the very clear with the passage of the energy bill. Be pleased because david maddox the pay view maddox was on the pay per view earlier saying hes handing earlier saying that hes handing tories some meat. Tories like you some red meat. Are gobbling it up with glee . I am. What most pleased i am. What im most pleased about were having the debate about is were having the debate for too long weve not been having this debate about net zero. Wasnt long ago zero. I mean, it wasnt long ago we going cars we were going to ban new cars and internal Combustion Engine cars. Was deemed cars. At 2040, that was deemed to be the date. Then it shifted back down to 2035. Yeah no great reason i can see and then boris boosterism. We loved him dearly. It went to 2030. Talking of boris, i mean a lot of these ideas were his ideas and you backed him. I i didnt back him on i did. I didnt back him on the stuff. Not at all. The energy stuff. Not at all. Not all. And knew i was not at all. And he knew i was not on that page him. Okay not on that page with him. Okay i the worst thing i think i mean, the worst thing i think we ever had was having the saddle of cop26, because whoevers saddle to whoevers in the saddle tends to have to over reduce ever more great announcements keep great announcements to keep the likes well, what we likes of greta. Well, what we were on the reality check, were now on the reality check, i think, thats important. I think, and thats important. All have a reality i think, and thats important. All on have a reality i think, and thats important. All on a have a reality i think, and thats important. All on a couplee a reality i think, and thats important. All on a couple more ality i think, and thats important. All on a couple more domestic check on a couple more domestic issues, if you dont mind. Whiz some lets whiz through some of these election autumn these may election or autumn election. Your election. Whats your prediction . Election. Whats your predicti still on autumn. Are you . Im still on autumn. Are you . I am still on autumn. Youre happy, might happy, but it might be may. I dont know. Can you keep your seat, greg . Can you keep your seat, greg . Yeah, i can. Yes, can keep yeah, i can. Yes, i can keep my seat. Yes. Its going to be tough. Its going to be tough on the doorstep. I mean, theyre disaffected with the tories. They released. They are released. Are. Weve least they are. Weve got different around different seats around the country. Got we call country. Weve got what we call blue wall, red wall. I call mine the i think the the sea wall. And i think the opportunity for creating some proper divisions between us and labour is one proper divisions between us and laithem. Is one proper divisions between us and laithem. I is one proper divisions between us and laithem. I think is one proper divisions between us and laithem. I think some is one proper divisions between us and laithem. I think some tax is one of them. I think some tax policies. Another one, if we can solve then think its solve boats, then i think its if you can solve boats. Good lord. I mean, we all live well get on to live in hope. Well get on to that in a minute. Inheritance tax, it be scrapped . Tax, should it be scrapped . The easiest thing its the easiest thing would be to it, but its a you be to scrap it, but its a you know, a policy that allows the wealthy be wealthier the wealthy to be wealthier and the wealthy to be wealthier and the wealthy have the ability to get through loopholes, get through the loopholes, get expensive planning expensive advice and planning techniques avoid techniques to actually avoid most that are, most of it. Its those that are, you the middle and plus you know, in the middle and plus that are paying this. What would you know, in the middle and plus thea are paying this. What would you know, in the middle and plus thea very aying this. What would you know, in the middle and plus thea very easy this. What would you know, in the middle and plus thea very easy this. Forward ould be a very easy step forward would be to raise the level massively get rid of the massively to get rid of the fiscal drag weve had for fiscal drag that weve had for the last 14 years when the levels changed at levels have not been changed at all. Ways of skinning all. In many ways of skinning this cat. Its a complex tax. It doesnt much money, doesnt raise that much money, but it concerns me totemic, isnt it . Well, it concerns me that got a house in that if youve got a house in surrey, no grand house. You surrey, its no grand house. You could in iht web and could be in the iht web and i dont think that was ever intended. Okay. Should migrants be housed in hotels of three stars or no. Why not . Or above . No. Why not . Because there is a i think its one of the pull factors. And this is a domestic pull factor, one of those that we can bear down on, where do we put them . Thats the big issue. Do we go up the route of old bases that causes grave concern . Bibby stockholm, and all stockholm, home barges and all the surely better we the rest of it . Surely better we try to try and big star hotels. Try to try and big star hotels. All right. Beg with france and say theyre all coming off your beach. Can please stop them . Beach. Can you please stop them . I know, but star is all i know, but one star is all right for a migrant. Well, of course, if its up to a standard for habitation, well, of course, if its up to a not . 1ard for habitation, why not . Should we ban smoking . No. Why not . I think people smoking why not . I tof|k people smoking why not . I tof itsieople smoking why not . I tof itsieoplaccord ing why not . I tof itsieoplaccord asi why not . I tof itsieoplaccord as it dying of its own accord as it were. There are the whole vaping revolution got the downsides with the youngsters. Obviously and theres big discussions about that. You know, the mango flavours and yeah, what have you. I think that alone has you. But i think that alone has actually diminished the amount of smoking. Sunak idea. Of smoking. Sunak idea. Is of smoking. Sunak idea. Is using . Sunak idea. What is he using . Well, know how far. Well, i dont know how far. Its only been here. Its only raised as an issue, is only been raised as an issue, is it . Well, a libertarian it . No. Well, im a libertarian conservative. You can go to heaven hell a handcart of heaven or hell in a handcart of your own choosing. Enough. Susan okay. Fair enough. And susan hall, conservatives hall, the conservatives candidate of london, candidate for mayor of london, shes got no speech at conference. And rishi sunak has never tweeted anything about her or for her. Thats wrong, isnt it . Is this woman being allowed to just sort of like, you know, flap the wind and not flap around in the wind and not have help to beat sadiq khan . Well, i have thought on well, i would have thought on the back of the ulez vote, effectively in in South Ruislip and uxbridge few weeks and uxbridge just a few weeks ago, votes in ago, there are no votes in clobbering the motorist, susan hall, very much on side with with that plan to actually get rid of that ulez charge. I think because of the effect on outer london, shes in with a shout. And so she should be supported. I like what she says because and so she should be supported. I like shes she says because and so she should be supported. I like shes noe says because and so she should be supported. I like shes no nonsense. Use shes shes no nonsense. Shes a straight talking righty, a bit ukraine. She righty, a bit like ukraine. She is. To see you this is. Lovely to see you this morning. Thank you very, very much. Coming for coming in much. Coming in for coming in from innit. Thats from south, innit. Well, thats enough youll be enough from me today. Youll be seeing next week at seeing me again next week at 930. Up its arlene 930. Up next, its Arlene Foster, so dont go anywhere for that and great weekend. That and have a great weekend. And things are and looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Weve got rain across the north and the west of the uk today will be quite heavy at times. The winds increasing too, but in any sunshine it wont feel too bad. But looking at the bigger picture, it generally stays unsettled further where the system through over system is pushing through over the next few days and then very deep area of low pressure moving in wednesday. For the rest in for wednesday. For the rest of sunday. We do have rain across parts of Northern Ireland, Northern England pushing northwards into scotland and up across and but brightening up across parts of england and wales with some of sunshine from some glimmers of sunshine from time time. Winds coming time to time. The winds coming in south brisk , in from the south brisk, particularly in the west, but it will help lift temperatures in the sunshine to around 21, the sunshine up to around 21, possibly feeling possibly 22 celsius, feeling a little cooler where the winds are strong the rain are strong and the rain continues and that pushes north and eastwards as we move through this evening. Gales developing around western a around some western coasts for a time , the rain could lead to time, the rain could lead to some flooding before some localised flooding before all away. And then all this pushes away. And then overnight it generally calms down, particularly across england wales, with england and wales, with some clear showers clear spells. Still some showers across Northern Ireland and scotland and temperatures generally remaining in double figures as some monday gets to off a bright start across england and wales. There will be a showers come and go a few showers that come and go through day. Northern through the day. Northern ireland scotland seeing some ireland and scotland seeing some showers these could showers to some of these could be at times, but sunny be heavy at times, but sunny spells between and generally spells in between and generally winds compared winds will be lighter compared to sunday, too. And the wind is still in the south. Still coming in from the south. So lifting those so really lifting those temperatures 22 or 23 celsius towards the south east looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Good morning and welcome to sunday with Arlene Foster cetlin for two hours of politics, culture, World Affairs and some really good debate. Well be kicking off the show today looking at rishi sunaks reversal on some of his climate policies. The Prime Minister insists hes sticking with the net zero plan, but theres no doubt hes watering down the burdensome which would burdensome timetable which would have members the public have seen members of the public asked to scrap their boilers and banned or banned from buying petrol or diesel cars within just a few years. Is it the right move for politics and the planet . Well be about that. And new be talking about that. And new Research Suggests parents are more their more relaxed about their children missing School Children missing days off school in lockdown and teacher strikes are cited as main reason, are cited as the main reason, with experts pointing to a broken contract between parents and schools. Well be discussing that with ceo of a charity that with the ceo of a charity devoted to keeping young people in education back at home. Theres concern over lockdown ,