Transcripts For GBN Saturday 20240705

In eastern india after three trains crashed, making it the countrys deadliest rail accident in more than two decades. A passenger train went off the tracks and hit an oncoming train before colliding with a parked freight train. The with a parked freight train. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime operation ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit the site in odisha state Phillip Schofield says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed that he had an affair with a younger colleague whilst presenting this morning. In a new interview with the sun, he admitted hes afraid to leave his house after resigning from itv last week and being dropped by his talent agency. Schofield by his talent agency. Schofield says hes getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and friends. Hour with support from his daughters and friends. Animal daughters and friends. Animal rights activists are threatening to cancel or severely delay todays epsom derby. Animal todays epsom derby. Animal rising says the group will put their bodies on the line to shut down the race and protect the animals. They also want to spark animals. They also want to spark a National Debate about what theyre calling our broken relationship with animals and nature. Surrey police are nature. Surrey police are warning they will not tolerate any risks to public safety. Rail any risks to public safety. Rail passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. Aslef, which conditions. Aslef, which represents 96 of train drivers, warn its unlikely that any services will be running at all. The disruption is affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Well, diesel prices fell derby. Well, diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats the biggest drop for over two decades. The rac says the average price of diesel went from 158. 9 pence to 140 £0. 07 in may. Its the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen , pump prices have fallen, reducing the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month. A uk Ticket Holder last month. A uk Ticket Holder won more than £110 million in last nights euromillions jackpot at the unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and singer dua lipa. According to the sunday times rich list. Play ers are urged to check if they could be the lucky winner and customers ordering groceries on delivery apps such as deliveroo or uber eats are paying twice the price compared to buying them in store. Consumer group which. Found that customers pay an average of 8 more for morrisons groceries via amazon due to convenience and in one case unsalted butter cost 45. More on amazon than in supermarkets and asdas own brand wine was £2 more expensive onune. Brand wine was £2 more expensive online. It comes amid a year of online. It comes amid a year of record increase in food and food rather inflation. Scotlands first minister says there has never been a more important time for the country to become independent. Humza yousaf claims that west minster is failing to support people in scotland dunng support people in scotland during the cost of living crisis. As he says snps would build an economy that puts workers and families first. The first minister is also accusing labour of sitting on their hands while tories undermine the Scottish Government. President volodymyr government. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter offensive against russia. While speaking against russia. While speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory , but does not know how territory, but does not know how long that might take. Kyiv previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the fightback could begin. Russia currently holds swathes of ukrainian territory in the east, south and southeast. East east, south and southeast. East and saint fagans National Museum of history has been named the uks best free day out by Consumer Group, which. The open air attraction in cardiff, which features 40 reconstructed buildings and scenes throughout history, achieved a Customer Score of 94. Meanwhile while the National Railway museum in york and the raf museum in cosford tied for second place with a score of 91, which says the cost of living crisis means that finding cheap or free days out has never been more important to families. Has never been more important to families. Okay this has never been more important to families. Okay this is gb has never been more important to families. Okay this is gb news. Well bring you more as it happens. Now lets get straight back to esther and phil. Thanks there, ray. And im glad thanks there, ray. And im glad you got thanks there, ray. And im glad you got the thanks there, ray. And im glad you got the whatsapp flirt; 13. And im glad you got the Whatsapp Message about you got the Whatsapp Message about pink you got the Whatsapp Message about pink being you got the Whatsapp Message about pink being the colour of the toy. About pink being the colour of the day now, about pink being the colour of the day. Now, as about pink being the colour of the day. Now, as the phillip sotottott the day. Now, as the Phillip Schofield saga the day. Now, as the Phillip Schofield saga continues to untott schofield saga continues to uutott. Schofield saga continues to unfold , who schofield saga continues to unfold , who knew what and when unfold, who knew what and when tho unfold, who knew what and when remains the main unfold, who knew what and when remains the main question. Dame cototyu remains the main question. Dame cototyu mocott remains the main question. Dame Carolyn Mccall, itvs chief oxyooutto Carolyn Mccall, itvs chief executive, has Carolyn Mccall, itvs chief executive, has been summoned to out executive, has been summoned to gtyo oyttouoo executive, has been summoned to gtyo ovttouoo to executive, has been summoned to give evidence to the executive, has been summoned to give evidence to the culture, motto give evidence to the culture, motto out give evidence to the culture, media and sport give evidence to the culture, media and Sport Select Committee on tho media and Sport Select Committee on the to media and Sport Select Committee on the to ot media and Sport Select Committee on the 14 of june. Media and Sport Select Committee on the 14 of june. Wc media and Sport Select Committee on the 14 of june. You; cl on the 14 of june. Well, were now joined by Dame Caroline dinenage, conservative mp for gosport, and the chair of the dcms select committee. So good morning to you. So dcms select committee. So good morning to you. So can dcms select committee. So good morning to you. So can you t f so good morning to you. So can you tell us why morning to you. So can you tell us why youo morning to you. So can you tell us why youve called in itv. On us why youve called in itv. On the us why youve called in itv. On the nth us why youve called in itv. On the tztt ot us why youve called in itv. On the 12th of june us why youve called in itv. On the 12th of june 14th. 7 yes so tw the 12th of june 14th. 7 yes so ttv wore the 12th of june 14th. 7 yes so itv were originally the 12th of june 14th. 7 yes so itv were originally due the 12th of june 14th. 7 yes so itv were originally due to come in on this coming tuesday anyway because the committee is looking at the draft media bill and because of everything thats beenin because of everything thats been in the news recently that youll all be aware of, there was a massive risk that that meeting would be dominated with committees very genuine and understandable concerns about whats been going on at itv with regard to safeguarding of junior Staff Members with regard to whistleblowing , with regard to whistleblowing, with regard to potential non disclosure agreements. And so we decided to invite Dame Carolyn Mccall in for a separate meeting so that we could cover off all those issues. And this other really important bit of pre legislative scrutiny doesnt get overwhelmed by whats been going on at itv. So what are you hoping to get to find out. 7 what are you hoping to find out . What are you hoping to get ttom find out . What are you hoping to get ttom ttt find out . What are you hoping to get from it. 7 you find out . What are you hoping to get from it. 7 you know, � t it . What are you hoping to get from it. 7 t t. Get from it. 7 you know, so mean. Its not a witch hunt. You know, its not a witch hunt. You know, i dont really want to sort of get into the weeds of the individual cases around around. Philip schofield but that case has raised some genuine concerns , learns about Workplace Culture , about things like potential abuses of power. We know that among some of these big Public Service broadcasters , they have service broadcasters, they have these kind of gods of broadcasting. You know, these big celebrity media stars who have a disparate , passionate and have a disparate, passionate and very large amount of influence. And its just really important to ensure that theres the right safeguard in place to make sure that that influence isnt used to disproportionately affect the careers of other younger Staff Members , that theres the right members, that theres the right systems and processes in place to protect staff who work at the organisation. And its the same organisation. And its the same for any organisation. But within the media there are there is this sort of disproportionate split of power. If you like, but also its been become apparent over the last few days that there are a number of attempts to draw attention to this , to to draw attention to this, to itv bosses. So do they have the right systems and processes in place for whistleblowers. 7 are complaints being taken seriously . Complaints being taken seriously. 7 and then finally, i had a letter from Dame Carolyn Mccall earlier this week saying that they have appointed a barrister, an independent barrister , to an independent barrister, to look into this, but it hasnt set out what the terms of reference are for that inquiry. It hasnt set out the timescale and there are a number of it almost sort of posed more questions than it answered. And thats why we really want to try and get to the bottom of some of the concerns that the committee have. Caroline, what would you say have. Caroline, what would you toy to have. Caroline, what would you toy to poooto have. Caroline, what would you say to people who caroline, what would you say to people who said that . You, say to people who said that . You, you say to people who said that . Well, you know, say to people who said that . Well, you know, unlike the bbc out well, you know, unlike the bbc out uuttto well, you know, unlike the bbc out uutttou well, you know, unlike the bbc and unlike4 itvs and unlike channel 4 itvs a tomato and unlike channel 4 itvs a private company and unlike channel 4 itvs a private company may be subject totou private company may be subject totou uto private company may be subject to law like everybody else. To the law like everybody else. Out to the law like everybody else. And therefore to the law like everybody else. And therefore its to the law like everybody else. And therefore its not really the and therefore its not really the business and therefore its not really the business of and therefore its not really the business of a parliamentary ootoot the business of a Parliamentary Select Committee the business of a Parliamentary Select Committee be looking select committee to be looking at select committee to be looking ottutomot at its entire internal procedures at its entire internal procedures. in . At its entire internal procedures. Yeah, i mean, at its entire internal procedures. Yeah, i mean, i at its entire internal procedures. Yeah, i mean, i can procedures. Yeah, i mean, i can ihave procedures. Yeah, i mean, i can i have heard that argument, phil and what i would say in response is that itv is also a Public Service broadcasting broadcaster. Our committee and the public at large. I think , the public at large. I think, feel that there is its really important that they do have a duty of care towards their staff, that this is a matter regard , issues of safeguarding regard, issues of safeguarding regarding issues of complaint handling. And thats of high importance. And the public must have confidence in Public Service broadcasters to make sure that they are robustly safeguarding the interests of their staff. So i do think this is something that both the committee and the public at large concerns with. Large do have concerns with. Unfortunately the itv do not have a very good track record over the last few years , weve over the last few years, weve had incidents with with love island, with caroline flack, terrible , tragic incidents. Terrible, tragic incidents. Weve had the jeremy kyle show, you know, there seemed to be lurching from one tragic disaster to another. And i do feel that its time that Carolyn Mccall came before the committee and answered a few questions. Okay. Can i can i also ask what the okay. Can i can i also ask what the process okay. Can i can i also ask what the process to okay. Can i can i also ask what the process is going cit q can i can i also ask what the process is going to be . Is tuto the process is going to be . Is ttto tutt the process is going to be . Is ttto yuot goug the process is going to be . Is this just going to the process is going to be . Is this just going to be a one off ovttouoo this just going to be a one off evidence session this just going to be a one off evidence session with itv, or you evidence session with itv, or you gotug evidence session with itv, or you gotug to evidence session with itv, or are you going to be producing a report are you going to be producing a report on are you going to be producing a report on tho are you going to be producing a report on the back are you going to be producing a report on the back of this ovttouoo report on the back of this evidence session with your oououottou evidence session with your conclusions about whats happening conclusions about whats happening ot conclusions about whats happening or is it just going to be happening or is it just going to to o happening or is it just going to to o otto happening or is it just going to to o ott happening or is it just going to be a one off standalone session 7 at be a one off standalone session 7 at the be a one off standalone session . At the moment, be a one off standalone session . At the moment, its be a one off standalone session . At the moment, its just a one off standalone session. It was really because we have the, as i say, the draft media bill coming before us on tuesday and there was real worry that that would was a real worry that that would be overwhelmed by the be completely overwhelmed by the committee with questions about whats going on at itv. And whats been going on at itv. And that then allow that that would then not allow that piece important legislation piece of important legislation to properly scrutinised. So to be properly scrutinised. So i thought was important to have thought it was important to have a meeting a standalone meeting with Carolyn Mccall. I hoped do it Carolyn Mccall. I hoped to do it on same day, but she wasnt on the same day, but she wasnt available. She gave us an available. But she gave us an alternative which weve alternative date, which weve taken moment theres taken, but at the moment theres no the itv themselves are doing an independent inquiry. No the itv themselves are doing an independent inquiry. Well an independent inquiry. Well keep on that. And then if keep an eye on that. And then if more, work necessary in more, more work is necessary in the future, then of course well do it. But, know, im not do it. But, you know, im not i dont want to sort of disproportion use the committees time for this, but there certainly there are certainly some unanswered if unanswered questions. And if other people wanted to come and give evidence about whats been going you would you going on, would you would you would consider reopening it would you consider reopening it and doing something bigger on it, or are you just literally just going to speak to the chief executive and you dont really want to open up any further want to open it up any further than that at the moment . Well, i mean, i think im phil, mean, i think im as ever, phil, you know, really keen that you know, im really keen that this committee serves the interests of the british people and parliament. If people have evidence that they want to share with me via via my email address, theyre very welcome to send and if and i feel send it in. And if and if i feel that that would warrant a, you know, inquiry, then of know, a full inquiry, then of course what we will at course thats what we will do at some point in the future. Ive got quite a ive got quite a backlog things that the backlog of things that the committee looking at. Weve committee is looking at. Weve got gambling paper got the gambling white paper that to start that were about to start looking as i say, draft looking at. As i say, the draft media bill. And as we move further in year, i want further on in the year, i want to more work on on how to do more work on on how artists are remunerated and people like musicians and, and writers. , you know, writers. So theres, you know, weve obviously got issues with things streaming and how we things like streaming and how we spoken about that before, how the money up. Caroline the money ends up. Caroline dinenage youve got a lot to do. We wont take up any more of your we wont take up any more of your true, we wont take up any more of your true, so we wont take up any more of your time, so thank you very mutt your time, so thank you very mutt out your time, so thank you very much and congratulations on tooomtug much and congratulations on tooomtug tho much and congratulations on becoming the chairman of the oommtttoo. Becoming the chairman of the committee. We becoming the chairman of the committee. But; cl becoming the chairman of the committee. � ftt� ti ti til becoming the chairman of the committee. � ftt� ti ti ttig committee. We were very pleased that youre the new chair of the committee and we wish you well in your time in that position. Well, she certainly got off to a ttytug well, she certainly got off to a ttytug start, well, she certainly got off to a ttytug stutt, o well, she certainly got off to a flying start, a fine well, she certainly got off to a flying start, a fine start, a outot flying start, a fine start, a outot stut flying start, a fine start, a quick start there. Interesting to soy. Quick start there. Interesting to soy. Ttv quick start there. Interesting to say. Itv might have appointed a to say. Itv might have appointed o toutotou to say. Itv might have appointed a barrister, but to say. Itv might have appointed a barrister, but it to say. Itv might have appointed a barrister, but it looks like they a barrister, but it looks like they toyout a barrister, but it looks like they havent got proper terms of reference. Caroline they havent got proper terms of reference. Caroline said that otto reference. Caroline said that the out reference. Caroline said that she was concerned that they ought she was concerned that they mtgtt not she was concerned that they mtgtt not got she was concerned that they might not get the answers from toot. Might not get the answers from that. Wett might not get the answers from that. Well lets might not get the answers from that. Well lets look at todays top stones. That. Well lets look at todays top stories. Were that. Well lets look at todays top stories. Were delighted to soy. Top stories. Were delighted to soy. Tooto top stories. Were delighted to say. Were joined top stories. Were delighted to say. Were joined in the studio by momot say. Were joined in the studio by omot ot say. Were joined in the studio by member of the say. Were joined in the studio by member of the london aooomtty by member of the london assembly, shaun bailey, and senior political assembly, shaun bailey, and senior Political Correspondent for senior Political Correspondent tot auttoy senior Political Correspondent. For Audrey Aubrey for the guardian. Audrey aubrey attogtottt. For the guardian. Audrey aubrey attogtottt. So for the guardian. Audrey aubrey allegretti. So shaun, i dont mow allegretti. So shaun, i dont know tt allegretti. So shaun, i dont know if youve allegretti. So shaun, i dont know if youve got anything to say know if youve got anything to soy om know if youve got anything to say on mot know if youve got anything to say on that story. Know if youve got anything to say on that story. Its oottomty say on that story. Its certainly rumbled on for a long ttmo. Certainly rumbled on for a long ttmo. Mo certainly rumbled on for a long time. The phillip certainly rumbled on for a long time. The Phillip Schofield story, time. The Phillip Schofield story to time. The Phillip Schofield story, the fact time. The Phillip Schofield story, the fact now that its going story, the fact now that its gomg to story, the fact now that its gomg to to story, the fact now that its gomg to to o story, the fact now that its going to be a days hearing at the going to be a days hearing at tho ootoot going to be a days hearing at the select committee, maybe ttotoo the select committee, maybe tmotoo 90mg the select committee, maybe theres going to the select committee, maybe theres going to be a report at tho theres going to be a report at to out, theres going to be a report at the end, maybe theres going to be a report at the end, maybe theres not. Itv myo the end, maybe theres not. Itv tovo o the end, maybe theres not. Itv tovo o tot the end, maybe theres not. Itv tovo o tot ot the end, maybe theres not. Itv have a lot of questions to answer , and have a lot of questions to answer , and im ambivalent about answer, and im ambivalent about t. Answer, and im ambivalent about t. 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Did did to the bottom of this. Did did did holly know, did the executives know . I mean, this is probably our best chance. I dont much respect for an dont have much respect for an independent inquiry thats been commissioned by the by itv. Commissioned by the by itv. Theyre effectively marking their own homework. So im now relying on parliament to get me some answers. Oh, and your story of some answers. Oh, and your story ot tto some answers. Oh, and your story ot to day some answers. Oh, and your story ot to day so some answers. Oh, and your story of the day. So were some answers. Oh, and your story of the day. So were talking about a secret hub that ministers had to crack down on to have a look at people who were against lockdowns, which i think is one of the worst things ihave think is one of the worst things i have ever heard in my life. Theidea i have ever heard in my life. The idea that the government would take its time to look at what individual people are doing against the policy it has and have a unit in the government to do that i think is terrible. And were in a country now where polarisation is the real issue. So have issues of trust. But and this for me will give people, conspiracy theorists, a real belief around the conspiracies they hold. Aubrey you had views on they hold. Aubrey you had views om tuto they hold. Aubrey you had views on mm to they hold. Aubrey you had views on this as well. They hold. Aubrey you had views on this as well. Yeah they hold. Aubrey you had views on this as well. Yeah i cu aubrey you had views on this as well. Yeah i mean, i wont on this as well. Yeah i mean, i wasnt terribly on this as well. Yeah i mean, i wasnt terribly surprised about it, wasnt terribly surprised about t, to wasnt terribly surprised about t, to to wasnt terribly surprised about it, to be honest, wasnt terribly surprised about it, to be honest, because the goyommomt it, to be honest, because the government actually spends a lot of government actually spends a lot ot ttmo government actually spends a lot of time monitoring government actually spends a lot of time monitoring what critics mt of time monitoring what critics out oom of time monitoring what critics and even journalists write about its and even journalists write about to oottvtttoo and even journalists write about its activities and and even journalists write about its activities and its policies. Ttm its activities and its policies. Mm to its activities and its policies. Mm to not its activities and its policies. This is not specific its activities and its policies. This is not specific to its activities and its policies. This is not specific to covid. So the government does a lot of whats called media monitoring. They the policy they look at how did the policy land, public think land, what did the public think of and what commentators and of it and what commentators and journalists are saying, which seems be whats going on seems to be whats going on here, although there is a sort of concern that the government had this sort trusted flagger had this sort of trusted flagger status sort of gets status where it sort of gets fast when it thinks that fast tracked when it thinks that theres problematic content on social platforms , means social media platforms, means that can flag that with that it can flag that with social Media Companies and potentially get it removed faster. Now, know there faster. Now, we all know there was lot of disinformation was a lot of disinformation flying during covid. Some flying around during covid. Some of that certainly a bad thing , of that certainly a bad thing, others potentially for debate others potentially up for debate about whether not there was about whether or not there was pros and cons to policy. But you cant deny that it was important for to be able to for the government to be able to monitor was going it monitor what was going on. It happens anyway. It wasnt to do with so im that with covid, so im not that surprised by this story. The thing though, is thing is, though, aubrey, is that i think thing in the that i think the thing in the story that struck me about story that struck me is about the type of people that they were monitoring. So, for example,theyl were monitoring. So, for example,they werent example, it wasnt they werent momttottmg example, it wasnt they werent monitoring necessarily. Well, tmoy tooml monitoring necessarily. 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It was people like professor carl uomogmm was people like professor carl henaghan, who was people like professor carl henaghan, who was the professor of henaghan, who was the professor ot ovttomoo henaghan, who was the professor of evidence based henaghan, who was the professor of evidence based medicine at ottom of evidence based medicine at oxford university. Of evidence based medicine at oxford university. Now surely ttoy oxford university. Now surely tmoy omoutt oxford university. 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It seemed as if they were more interested in ttoototttmo they were more interested in discrediting types of things they were more interested in diswasiting types of things they were more interested in diswas saying. Types of things they were more interested in diswas saying. S of things they were more interested in diswas saying. Things they were more interested in diswas saying. S. ti]s they were more interested in diswas saying. He was saying. Im not sure that theyre talking about theyre really talking about discrediting. Are discrediting. I mean, what are they talking is they really talking about is monitoring whats going on and flagging there is a problem. Flagging if there is a problem. I mean, nobody suggesting that anything incredibly anything that was incredibly fair that this person said was incorrectly flagged. All theyre saying but saying is look at the. But thats a problem. Closing down tototo thats a problem. Closing down tototo. Toot. Thats a problem. Closing down debate. Yeah, we thats a problem. Closing down debate. Yeah, we dont closing down debate. Yeah, we dont know that for debate. Yeah, we dont know that to mom debate. Yeah, we dont know that for them about debate. Yeah, we dont know that for them about children, about vaccinations, for them about children, about vaccinations, going to vaccinations, about going to ootoot. Vaccinations, about going to school. Down. Vaccinations, about going to school. Down debate school. They closed down debate mt school. They closed down debate outtout school. They closed down debate anddont know. School. They closed down debate and dont know. Sti school. They closed down debate and dont know. Ctiiltiil and we dont know. Listen, there is and we dont know. Listen, there to t and we dont know. Listen, there is a very, very big difference between monitoring how a policy is landed contacting is landed and contacting ipsis and you need to shut this and saying you need to shut this person down. Look, i was a person down. Look, i was a person who who thought that the lockdowns happen. Lockdowns needed to happen. Maybe long. Maybe maybe they were too long. Maybe theres them. But theres too many of them. But theres too many of them. But the that theres someone in the idea that theres someone in government contacting people, saying, had enough government contacting people, sathis had enough government contacting people, sathis point had enough government contacting people, sathis point view,ad enough government contacting people, sathis point view, shut|ough government contacting people, sathis point view, shut them at this point of view, shut them down, think sinister. Down, i think is sinister. A democracy based on the democracy is based on the ability for people to have free and fair exchange. And this seems somebody short seems like somebody short circuiting that process. Can i ask you all, during circuiting that process. Can i ask you all, during the ti tic. 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He said, minute. And they said, wait a minute. And they walked. Said, wait walked. If he said, wait a mtmuto walked. If he said, wait a minute, then walked. If he said, wait a minute, then i if he said, wait a minute, then i would ask them, wow. Minute, then i would ask them, wet, wty minute, then i would ask them, well, whywalk minute, then i would ask them, well, why walk in . Well, why did you walk in . Toot. Well, why did you walk in . Toot. Wow. Well, why did you walk in . Yeah, well, im well, why did you walk in . Yeah, well, im just well, why did you walk in . Yeah, well, im just saying, im one people who say, one of those people who say, draw the curtains, protect yourself, because this you yourself, because this now, you know, anything over know, itv cant do anything over over whatsapp obe phillip over whatsapp and obe Phillip Schofield. But people can get involved this. Its involved in all of this. Its crazy, isnt it, where people get and they get involved and where they dont. I dont know what anybody else is thinking. Thered be more else is thinking. Thered be moto tmomi else is thinking. Thered be moto tmom otymg more people laughing than crying if more people laughing than crying ttmo more people laughing than crying ifme undressed, more people laughing than crying ifme undressed, to more people laughing than crying if me undressed, to be if they saw me undressed, to be oomootty tt if they saw me undressed, to be perfectly it was if they saw me undressed, to bei perfectly it was just perfectly honest. So it was just if they were shocked and if they were, i dont think id i dont think i need to worry about it. Sean aubrey, thanks. Ever so much. Sean aubrey, thanks. Ever so much. Wott sean aubrey, thanks. Ever so much. Well see sean aubrey, thanks. Ever so much. Well see you in the next tout. Up. Hour. Now, coming up, after a tiktoker admits to stalking chelsea footballers and a glitch on revealed how many on facebook revealed how many people stalking. On facebook revealed how many pe0jbe stalking. On facebook revealed how many pe0jbe by stalking. On facebook revealed how many pe0jbe by investigative will be joined by investigative journalist Nicole Madigan to tell story she was tell her story when she was stalked. Dont forget to stalked. And dont forget to get in touch with us. Email us on gb vtowo in touch with us. Email us on gb vtowo ot in touch with us. Email us on gb vtowo ot oo in touch with us. Email us on gb views at gb news. In touch with us. Email us on gb views at gb news. Com i i. Email us on gb views at gb news. Com or tweet us views at gb news. Com or tweet uo ot views at gb news. Com or tweet uo ot ot views at gb news. Com or tweet uo ot oo wowo. Views at gb news. Com or tweet us at gb news. You views at gb news. Com or tweet us at gb news. tit. T us at gb news. You draw the curtains. You draw curtains curtains. You draw the curtains gloria meets. Only on gb news, britains news. Gloria meets. Only on gb news, britains news. Channel we welcome back to saturday morning with esther and phil. The time now is 1026 after with esther and phil. The time now is 1026 after a at e the time now is 1026 after a female ttttot now is 1026 after a female ttttot wto now is 1026 after a female tiktok who admitted to stalking momtot tiktok who admitted to stalking premier league tiktok who admitted to stalking premier League Footballers mason ttoumt premier League Footballers mason ttoumt mt premier League Footballers mason ttoumt out my premier League Footballers mason mount and billy gilmourjust how wttoomoot mount and billy gilmourjust how wttoomoot to mount and billy gilmourjust how widespread is the mount and billy gilmourjust how widespread is the issue of otottmgo widespread is the issue of stalking . Well, were joined now by investigative stalking . Well, were joined now by investigative journalist wtooto by investigative journalist Nicole Madigan , who was stalked Nicole Madigan, who was stalked for Nicole Madigan, who was stalked tot owot Nicole Madigan, who was stalked tot tmoo Nicole Madigan, who was stalked for over three years Nicole Madigan, who was stalked for over three years and has wttttom for over three years and has wttttom o for over three years and has written a book for over three years and has written a book about her story. So written a book about her story. So yoo written a book about her story. So yoo. Woo written a book about her story. So yes, were reading about otottme so yes, were reading about otottme m so yes, were reading about stalking in the so yes, were reading about stalking in the papers. Its uouotty stalking in the papers. Its usually about stalking in the papers. Its usually about high profile ooooto usually about high profile people. Maybe theyve got fascinated people. Maybe theyve got fascinated with footballers, but wow fascinated with footballers, but how tuot fascinated with footballers, but how tuot tow fascinated with footballers, but how just how sort fascinated with footballers, but how just how sort of widespread is how just how sort of widespread to otottmg how just how sort of widespread is stalking in . How just how sort of widespread is stalking in . Its how just how sort of widespread is stalking in . I is stalking in . Its incredibly widespread. And i think the widespread. And i think the reason we dont quite realise how widespread it is because nobody really talks about it unless they are high profile. And so in my case i didnt talk about it much at all for the for the large part of those three years. But once i started my research, i discovered its incredibly widespread. But but most victims are suffering in silence. Do most victims are suffering in silence. Do you want to tell us silence. Do you want to tell us a silence. Do you want to tell us o ttt silence. Do you want to tell us o ttt otout silence. Do you want to tell us a bit about what silence. Do you want to tell us a bit about what you i do you want to tell us a bit about what you do . Go through a bit about what you do . Go through out a bit about what you do . Go through and what you in ootttoutot through and what you in particular went through . Particular went through . So i ottttou particular went through . So i was stalked online particular went through . So i was stalked online on particular went through . So i was stalked online on for three years by a woman who used to date my now husband. And um, she sort of came onto the scene after id been seeing him for a few months. So this is someone id never met. Still havent met. And who was it in his life at that time . So essentially its a stranger to me stalking me. Um, and this came through multiple avenues via the internet. So so many different messaging services and in public as well. Also contacting my as well. Also contacting my family and friends and in impersonating me and that sort of thing. So it impacts you from a number of different ways. You know , mentally psycho , know, mentally psycho, logically, socially and financially. Theres a huge financially. Theres a huge impact that people just dont quite realise. So this wasnt like the lady who was the tiktoker because she was fascinated and had an attraction and wanted to date these people. There are different types of otottot. There are different types of stalker. This there are different types of stalker. This one was because omot stalker. This one was because otot toom stalker. This one was because shed been rejected. So its a ttxottom shed been rejected. So its a ttxottom om shed been rejected. So its a fixation on you shed been rejected. So its a fixation on you and what trying to toottoy fixation on you and what trying to toottoy you fixation on you and what trying to destroy you, your life and you to destroy you, your life and your relationship. Ship your relationship. Ship absolutely. Your relationship. Ship absolutely. So your relationship. Ship absolutely. So in your relationship. Ship absolutely. So in the beginning , it certainly seemed like the focus was on my relationship. So destroying that over time, it kind of evolved , i suppose. And kind of evolved, i suppose. And the fixation , um, landed just on the fixation, um, landed just on me and just finding ways to, to cause fear , always alluding to cause fear, always alluding to something, being around the corner and eventually she sort of implying that she was physically stalking me as well. I dont know whether that was the case, but she certainly found out where i lived. And a lot of personal information about me , the Netflix Series you about me, the Netflix Series you has been criticised for romanticising, stalking. I dont romanticising, stalking. I dont know if youve seen it. I g g i dont know if youve seen it. What if you know if youve seen it. What if you two . Know if youve seen it. What if you have . Whats know if youve seen it. What if you have . Whats your view . Do you you have . Whats your view . Do you to you have . Whats your view . Do you to you you have . Whats your view . Do you to you ogroo you have . Whats your view . Do you do you agree with that . Is mot you do you agree with that . Is that to you do you agree with that . Is that to mot you do you agree with that . Is that is that partly you do you agree with that . Is that is that partly the problem, the that is that partly the problem, to way that is that partly the problem, to woy mot that is that partly the problem, the way that these things can be ootttoyot the way that these things can be ootttoyot m the way that these things can be ootttoyot m to the way that these things can be portrayed in the media . Yeah, i tttm portrayed in the media . Yeah, i tttmt tt portrayed in the media . Yeah, i tttmt tt to. Portrayed in the media . Yeah, i tttmt tt to. Portrayed in the media . Yeah, i tttmt tt to. T portrayed in the media . Yeah, i think it is. I mean, portrayed in the media . Yeah, i think it is. I e think it is. I mean, look, like everybody i had read that book, you know, before it became a Television Show that everybody got into. But think like got quite into. But i think like the Television Show did is made the Television Show did is made the stalker quite appealing and quite alluring and, um, almost as though, you know, its a prize to be the object of his obsession. And i think, you know , society at large does really glorify obsession. And, um, you glorify obsession. And, um, you know , a really dedicated, know, a really dedicated, committed , you know, focus on, committed, you know, focus on, on trying to attract someone. And i think many movies, in fact , do that very thing. I wondered, is it mainly , do that very thing. I wondered, is it mainly women , do that very thing. I wondered, is it mainly women who do wondered, is it mainly women who to otottme wondered, is it mainly women who to otottme ot wondered, is it mainly women who do stalking or is wondered, is it mainly women who do stalking or is it wondered, is it mainly women who do stalking or is it men who do otottme do stalking or is it men who do otottme ot do stalking or is it men who do otottme or to do stalking or is it men who do stalking or do they do different tyites stalking or do they do different tyooo ot stalking or do they do different types of stalking stalking or do they do different types of stalking . So the types of stalking . So the research that types of stalking . So the research that i types of stalking . So the research that i undertook , which research that i undertook, which tootme research that i undertook, which tootmg ot research that i undertook, which was looking at a research that i undertook, which was looking at a lot of different was looking at a lot of different literature and talking to o different literature and talking to o tot different literature and talking to o tot ot different literature and talking to a lot of experts, shows that moot to a lot of experts, shows that moot otottme to a lot of experts, shows that most stalking is to a lot of experts, shows that most stalking is actually oomottotot most stalking is actually perpetrated by men. Um, so its, its perpetrated by men. Um, so its, to sort perpetrated by men. Um, so its, to sort ot perpetrated by men. Um, so its, its sort of like an 80, 20 ratio. So definitely more men. But i think depher types of stalkers fit into different categories. So i think , you categories. So i think, you know, Domestic Violence type stalking is , is definitely more stalking is, is definitely more men predatory stalking where theres an attack coming at the end of it. Definitely more men. But i think this sort of resentful stalker, which were talking about, you know, in my case, um, its kind of a bit more evenly split. So i think it depends on on the motivation behind the stalker. Yeah and three years was a long dc. T tit . And three years was a long time tooouoo three years was a long time tooouoo t three years was a long time because i looked up the ttttotomt because i looked up the different types of stalking tmowtme different types of stalking knowing that different types of stalking knowing that you were coming on and knowing that you were coming on amt yout knowing that you were coming on and your research. And youd done your research. Moto and youd done your research. | there stalker and youd done your research. 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So theyre fantasists together. So theyre fantasists as together. So theyre fantasists oo wott together. So theyre fantasists oo wott oo together. So theyre fantasists as well as predatory stalkers, mt as well as predatory stalkers, out toyto as well as predatory stalkers, and theyre more as well as predatory stalkers, and theyre more spying on you. Out and theyre more spying on you. Amt ttot and theyre more spying on you. And that could and theyre more spying on you. And that could be and theyre more spying on you. And that could be sort of more wotomt. And that could be sort of more wotomt. Out and that could be sort of more violent. But you and that could be sort of more violent. But you being stalked wouttmt violent. But you being stalked wouldnt have violent. But you being stalked wouldnt have known which one of too wouldnt have known which one of ttooo tt wouldnt have known which one of ttooo tt woo wouldnt have known which one of ttooo tt. Wouldnt have known which one of those it was. No wouldnt have known which one of those it was. No. Wouldnt have known which one of those it was. No. So wouldnt have known which one of those it was. \ttit at those it was. No. So for me and look, i hadnt even put the label on it as i was going through it because, of course, you know, we tend to think of stalking as as that predatory stalker. The sort of the man in the bushes or following you around secretly breathing into the and that sort of the phone and that sort of thing. Look, didnt know. Thing. So look, i didnt know. And i was interested to discover that when i when i interviewed professor paul mullen, who developed those five profiles that you just spoke of , he put that you just spoke of, he put this woman in the category of the resentful stalker , um, the resentful stalker, um, because her focus was on me. So although she might have felt rejected, you know, her goal was really to cause fear and anguish and turmoil for me. Nicole, and turmoil for me. Nicole, thank you woty and turmoil for me. Nicole, thank you very much at e nicole, thank you very much indeed for comme thank you very much indeed for oommg om thank you very much indeed for come on ou thank you very much indeed for coming on our show today and mount coming on our show today and ooootmg to coming on our show today and ooootmg to uo coming on our show today and speaking to us about that, tooouoo speaking to us about that, tooouoo tt speaking to us about that, because it is speaking to us about that, because it is a speaking to us about that, because it is a phenomena that is because it is a phenomena that to growing because it is a phenomena that to growmg mt because it is a phenomena that is growing and made much easier by tome is growing and made much easier by being outmo is growing and made much easier by being online. And the story the by being online. And the story to ottot by being online. And the story the other week by being online. And the story the other week about facebook, moto the other week about facebook, ttoto wo the other week about facebook, ttoto o the other week about facebook, there was a glitch the other week about facebook, there was a glitch on facebook ttot there was a glitch on facebook tmot tt there was a glitch on facebook that it revealed there was a glitch on facebook that it revealed how many people ootuotty that it revealed how many people were actually stalking somebody. Unfortunately, were actually stalking somebody. Unfortunately, it were actually stalking somebody. Unfortunately, it sent them all. Unfortunately, it sent them ott o. Unfortunately, it sent them ott o tom. Unfortunately, it sent them all a join friends. Unfortunately, it sent them all a join friends with. So the otottoto all a join friends with. So the stalkers werent all a join friends with. So the stalkers werent happy in that motomoo stalkers werent happy in that motomoo t stalkers werent happy in that instance. I mean, stalkers werent happy in that instance. Ititx stalkers werent happy in that instance. T ttitx instance. I mean, parliament did increase the maximum sentence for stalking fairly recently, but it probably still but i think it probably still isnt as seriously it isnt taken as seriously as it ought given the impact it ought to be given the impact it has the victims now has on the on the victims now coming up, as Home Office Staff threaten strike over the threaten to strike over the governments rwanda deportation policy, were asking should Civil Servants able to go on Civil Servants be able to go on strike the strike if they oppose the governments policies . Well be governments policies . Well be joined the leader of reform joined by the leader of reform uk, and leader of uk, richard tice, and leader of the party, gina the true and fair party, gina miller. To debate that issue channel welcome back to saturday morning with esther and phil, now the home office Civil Servants are threatening strike action over the governments rwanda deportation policy and small boats. Legislation in the public and commercial legislation in the public and commercial services union, wmot and commercial services union, which represents and commercial services union, which represents nearly 16,000 otott which represents nearly 16,000 otott m which represents nearly 16,000 otott m to which represents nearly 16,000 staff in the home which represents nearly 16,000 staff in the home office and oottot staff in the home office and border force, staff in the home office and border force, said it was going to two border force, said it was going to towo to border force, said it was going to have to consider industrial oottom to have to consider industrial oottom tt to have to consider industrial action if members were forced to tmotomomt action if members were forced to implement measures that they tottowo implement measures that they tottowolto implement measures that they believe be unlawful. But believe to be unlawful. But otoutt believe to be unlawful. But otoutt tmoy believe to be unlawful. But should they have the right to do this should they have the right to do ttto out should they have the right to do ttto out to should they have the right to do this and the question remains, wmo this and the question remains, who to this and the question remains, who to tummo this and the question remains, who is running the country . Well were delighted who is running the country . Well were delighted to who is running the country . Well were delighted to be joined now by ttotott were delighted to be joined now by richard tice, were delighted to be joined now by richard tice, leader of tototm by richard tice, leader of reform uk. By richard tice, leader of reform uk. i reform uk. Richard, thanks for joining us. Just address that particular point that the union made. If the Civil Servant think that theyre being asked to pursue a policy thats unlawful , if they if theyre not supposed to go on strike, what should they be doing . Well, its should they be doing . Well, its very clear, phil and titit 37 well, its very clear, phil and esther, ooot very clear, phil and esther, oooo mommy. Very clear, phil and esther, good morning. That the civil oowomto good morning. That the Civil Servants have good morning. That the Civil Servants have to good morning. That the Civil Servants have to abide by the tow servants have to abide by the tow ot servants have to abide by the tow ot tto servants have to abide by the law of the land servants have to abide by the law of the land and a judge has ottooty law of the land and a judge has ottoooy mtoo law of the land and a judge has already ruled that law of the land and a judge has already ruled that the policy is towtut already ruled that the policy is towtut. T already ruled that the policy is lawful. I understand its going lawful. I understade its going to lawful. I understand its going to to lawful. I understand its going to to court lawful. I understand its going to the court of lawful. I understand its going to the court of appeal for a tumor to the court of appeal for a further ruling to the court of appeal for a further ruling. To the court of appeal for a further ruling. If the law of further ruling. If the law of to further ruling. If the law of tho tomo further ruling. If the law of the land judges and rule that its the land judges and rule that to towtut the land judges and rule that to towtut. The land judges and rule that its lawful , then the land judges and rule that its lawful , then they need to its lawful, then they need to do its lawful, then they need to to ttom its lawful, then they need to to ttott tot. Its lawful, then they need to do their job. Theyre to do and do theirjob. Theyre to do and cow do theirjob. Theyre to do and oowy out do theirjob. Theyre to do and oomy out to do theirjob. Theyre to do and carry out the policy of the representatives carry out the policy of the representatives whove been put moto representatives whove been put too ty representatives whove been put too by to representatives whove been put there by the voters. And if they toouto there by the voters. And if they toouto to there by the voters. And if they toouto to to there by the voters. And if they refuse to do that, there by the voters. And if they refuse to do that, its very otmoto refuse to do that, its very otmoto. Refuse to do that, its very simple. Theyre refuse to do that, its very simple. Theyre in breach of simple. Theyre in breach of oomttoot simple. Theyre in breach of contract. And simple. Theyre in breach of contract. And every single one of contract. And every single one ot ttom contract. And every single one of them should contract. And every single one of them should be dismissed. Tmmottoto of them should be dismissed. Immediate ideally without any oomoomoottom immediate ideally without any compensation. Immediate ideally without any compensation. Guess what . All of compensation. Guess what . All of a compensation. Guess what . All of o outtom compensation. Guess what . All of o outtom. Compensation. Guess what . All of a sudden , actually compensation. Guess what . All of a sudden , actually its the a sudden, actually its the mtmtototo a sudden, actually its the mtmtotom. A sudden, actually its the ministers. Theyre running the ministers. Theyre running the country ministers. Theyre running the country. Ministers. Theyre running the country. T ministers. Theyre running the country. I suspect theyll then country. I suspect theyll then oowy country. I suspect theyll then oowy out country. I suspect theyll then oomy out to country. I suspect theyll then carry out the now country. I suspect theyll then carry out the now your your sound carry out the now your your sound was going in and out moto sound was going in and out there, richard sound was going in and out there, richard. Sound was going in and out there, richard. I t there, richard. So can i just ask there, richard. So can i just ask, you said if youre not following what the government of the day is doing, following what the government of the day is doing , those civil the day is doing, those Civil Servants should be dismissed. Am servants should be dismissed. Am i right in saying thats what you said they need to be dismissed . Thats right. If theyre because theyre t 37 t if theyre because theyre in ttooot theyre because theyre in boot ot theyre because theyre in breach of contract and anybody whoo breach of contract and anybody wtoo m breach of contract and anybody whos in breach breach of contract and anybody whos in breach of breach of contract and anybody whos in breach of employment oomttoot whos in breach of employment oomttoot om whos in breach of Employment Contract can be whos in breach of Employment Contract can be dismissed by the omotoyot contract can be dismissed by the omotoyot. Contract can be dismissed by the employer. Moto contract can be dismissed by the employer , thats the legal employer, thats the legal oootttom employer, thats the legal position and employer, thats the legal position and thats what should happen position and thats what should moooom m position and thats what should moooom m tuto position and thats what should happen in this situation. Ian so happen in this situation. Ian so too happen in this situation. Ian so ttooo outt happen in this situation. Ian so these Civil Servants just gottmo these Civil Servants just ootttmo too these Civil Servants just getting too big for their boots 7 wow. Getting too big for their boots 7 wet, t getting too big for their boots. 7 well, i think getting too big for their boots . Well, i think weve already ttot . Well, i think weve already seen that in . Well, i think weve already seen that in a . Well, i think weve already seen that in a number of situations. Seen that in a number of situations. For seen that in a number of situations. For example, over to situations. For example, over to otoutt situations. For example, over the absurd removal of dominic toot. The absurd removal of dominic toot. Amytooy the absurd removal of dominic raab. Anybody whos been caught can raab. Anybody whos been caught omow raab. Anybody whos been caught otow ttot raab. Anybody whos been caught can show that actually he was tuot can show that actually he was tuot ttymo can show that actually he was tuot ttymo to can show that actually he was just trying to get can show that actually he was just trying to get some get some stutt just trying to get some get some otutt tomo just trying to get some get some otutt tomo om just trying to get some get some stuff done on behalf of the ottom stuff done on behalf of the british taxpayer that put him ttoo british taxpayer that put him too. British taxpayer that put him too. Amt british taxpayer that put him too. Amt t british taxpayer that put him there. And i think many of these there. And i think many of these out there. And i think many of these out oowomto there. And i think many of these Civil Servants , there. And i think many of these Civil Servants , they there. And i think many of these Civil Servants , they seem to Civil Servants, they seem to mm Civil Servants, they seem to tttmt tmot Civil Servants, they seem to think that they Civil Servants, they seem to think that they can run an otootot think that they can run an elected unelected policy rather ttom elected unelected policy rather mom to elected unelected policy rather than the minister elected unelected policy rather than the minister on behalf of the than the minister on behalf of two ooooto than the minister on behalf of two ooooto. Than the minister on behalf of two ooooto. Oo than the minister on behalf of the people. Ttit than the minister on behalf of the people. Jtit the people. Do you know what, richard . I think were going to have to end the interview there, because its breaking up a little the sound. But i little bit. The sound. But i want to thank you for joining us. And think you made your us. And i think you made your point clear there. These point very clear there. These shouldnt be doing that. They shouldnt be doing that. They should be dismissed. But were now by the leader of the now joined by the leader of the true and fair party, jean miller. Hello, gina. Im presuming you. Hello, gina. Im presuming you heard what richard tice had to say. So what do you think about the Civil Servants . Is this the right action for them to be taking . Surely not. Good morning, esther taking . Surely not. Good morning, esther and if ftfliileyt good morning, esther and phil if stefliileyt good morning, esther and phil and ttom morning, esther and phil and ttomt you morning, esther and phil and mom you to morning, esther and phil and thank you for inviting me on. Yes thank you for inviting me on. To. T thank you for inviting me on. To. T ttt thank you for inviting me on. Yes, i did hear thank you for inviting me on. Yes, i did hear what richard had to soy. Yes, i did hear what richard had to soy. Tut yes, i did hear what richard had to soy. Tut tm yes, i did hear what richard had to say, but im afraid richard is to say, but im afraid richard to mot to say, but im afraid richard is not understanding the law as it is not understanding the law as tt otomto is not understanding the law as tt otomto m is not understanding the law as it stands in that. Is not understanding the law as it stands in that. Yes, the high court it stands in that. Yes, the high court moo it stands in that. Yes, the high court has ruled it stands in that. Yes, the high court has ruled that parliament is court has ruled that parliament to owoootmo court has ruled that parliament is sovereign and court has ruled that parliament is sovereign and course it is sovereign and of course it woutt is sovereign and of course it woutt to. Is sovereign and of course it would do. Parliament is owoootmo would do. Parliament is sovereign. Here sovereign. But the issue here out sovereign. But the issue here omoomoomt sovereign. But the issue here andconcern is sovereign. But the issue here and concern is about and the concern is about international and the concern is about International Law and the civil oowomto International Law and the Civil Servants have International Law and the Civil Servants have a International Law and the Civil Servants have a right to strike. Amt servants have a right to strike. Amt moto servants have a right to strike. Amt ttoto oo servants have a right to strike. And there as long servants have a right to strike. And there as long as they go through and there as long as they go through to and there as long as they go through the right process, yes. Amt through the right process, yes. Amt moto through the right process, yes. Amt too to through the right process, yes. And there is a through the right process, yes. And there is a consensus they otttto and there is a consensus they can strike. And and there is a consensus they can strike. And what theyre concerned about can strike. And what theyre concerned about is that they ooutt concerned about is that they ooutt to concerned about is that they could be prosecuted if the twomto could be prosecuted if the rwanda policy could be prosecuted if the rwanda policy and actually the motto rwanda policy and actually the illegal migration rwanda policy and actually the illegal migration bill as well mowot illegal migration bill as well otoyot to illegal migration bill as well proved to to illegal migration bill as well proved to be unlawful in international proved to be unlawful in International Law. And this is mot International Law. And this is not just International Law. And this is not tuot o International Law. And this is not just a concern of the civil oomomto not just a concern of the Civil Servants. Youve not just a concern of the Civil Servants. Youve got the law soototy servants. Youve got the law soototy. Tto servants. Youve got the law society, the bar servants. Youve got the law society, the bar council or the un society, the bar council or the uw high society, the bar council or the un high commissioner or all oootooomo un high commissioner or all expressing concerns. And what it expressing concerns. And what it is, expressing concerns. And what it to. To expressing concerns. And what it to. To ttot expressing concerns. And what it to. To tmot tto expressing concerns. And what it is, is that its about expressing concerns. And what it is, is that its about about ooytum is, is that its about about ooytum towo is, is that its about about asylum laws and human rights towo asylum laws and human rights towo mot asylum laws and human rights laws that could asylum laws and human rights laws that could well be the concern here. Laws that could well be the concern here. � titt� tii laws that could well be the concern here. E concern here. Well, isnt the job of the Civil Service as gina to implement the will of the democratically elected government and if the democratically elected government backed by the Uk Parliament decides that it wants to pursue a particular policy , to pursue a particular policy, isnt it the job of Civil Servants not to go on strike, but to find a way to make sure that that policy can be implemented and can be implemented and can be implemented in a way which is consistent with the law. It has consistent with the law. It has to be consistent with consistent with the law. It has to be consistent with the i it has to be consistent with the law. Amt to be consistent with the law. Amt moto to be consistent with the law. And thats exactly that point. Out and thats exactly that point. Out ot and thats exactly that point. But of course, and thats exactly that point. 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And if you were working a food factory were working in a food factory out were working in a food factory out you were working in a food factory and you thought were working in a food factory and you thought there was oomotmmo and you thought there was something being put into the toot something being put into the tootwoo something being put into the food was harmful to the food that was harmful to the outtto food that was harmful to the outttolm food that was harmful to the putttolm o food that was harmful to the publicin a car food that was harmful to the public in a car factory that public or in a car factory that ootuotty public or in a car factory that actually broke public or in a car factory that actually broke the law, even though. Actually broke the law, even. Though, bosses though, you know, your bosses oom though, you know, your bosses said it. Said, yes, you should do it, i tttm said, yes, you should do it, i tttmt you said, yes, you should do it, i think you would said, yes, you should do it, i think you would be very concerned. Think you would be very concerned. And their concern is otout concerned. And their concern is otouttooottty about the legality in International Law. C. About the legality in International Law. But gina, if youto International Law. But gina, if youre with the policy youre not happy with the policy that the governments implementing, perhaps implementing, then perhaps a career the Civil Service career in the Civil Service isnt for you. Mean, when you isnt for you. I mean, when you join the Civil Service join join the Civil Service you join knowing that your job and your duty is to implement the will of that particular government, which whatever particular party it is thats in government, thats your job. Thats what you sign up for when you join the Civil Servant. Its not to say, well, im going to pick and choose which policies i happen to or dont agree to agree with or dont agree with dont like or think with or dont like or think might be a dodgy or might might be a bit dodgy or might cause problems law. Cause problems in the law. Thats thats you feel so thats if thats if you feel so strongly about policies , then strongly about policies, then perhaps those people should be standing for election rather than joining the Civil Service im not disagreeing with you, mt im not disagreeing with you, mtt. Im not disagreeing with you, mtt. Mot im not disagreeing with you, phil , that the im not disagreeing with you, phil , that the Civil Service is phil, that the Civil Service is too phil, that the Civil Service is there. Deliver phil, that the Civil Service is theredeliver on phil, that the Civil Service is there deliver on the sitting there to deliver on the sitting oowommomt there to deliver on the sitting government of there to deliver on the sitting government of day. They are government of the day. They are too government of the day. They are thereexecute, government of the day. They are thereexecute, but government of the day. They are there execute, but theyre there to execute, but theyre otoo there to execute, but theyre otoo tto there to execute, but theyre also the mechanism that understands also the mechanism that understands the legalities, understands understands the legalities, understands the legalities, understands the boundaries and umtototomto understands the boundaries and understands the understands the boundaries and understands the practicalities of understands the practicalities ot oottotoo understands the practicalities of policies. And understands the practicalities of policies. And you know, what toyto of policies. And you know, what tmoytto ooymo of policies. And you know, what tmoytto ooymo to of policies. And you know, what theyre saying is they do not wom theyre saying is they do not wont to theyre saying is they do not wont to to theyre saying is they do not want to be bullied into doing oomotmmo want to be bullied into doing something that want to be bullied into doing something that is illegal and woutt something that is illegal and wouttuo something that is illegal and wouldup with something that is illegal and would up with them being would end up with them being otooooutot. Would end up with them being prosecuted. But would end up with them being prosecuted. But in all of this, wtot prosecuted. But in all of this, wtot oo prosecuted. But in all of this, wtot you prosecuted. But in all of this, what are you as prosecuted. But in all of this, what are you as a prosecuted. But in all of this, what are you as a concerned otout what are you as a concerned otout mo what are you as a concerned about no consensus yet for them to otttto about no consensus yet for them to otttto emo about no consensus yet for them to strike gina . About no consensus yet for them to strike gina . I about no consensus yet for them to strike gina . to strike gina . I think what our viewers are concerned about is that theyre feeling this is an excuse. Theyre saying a very excuse. Theyre saying a very militant or politicised Civil Service. And this seems to be a bit of a track record on this, whether its removing ministers , not doing what they like. So do you believe the Civil Servants have grounds for what theyre doing or not . If i look at what the bar theyre doing or not . If i look at what the bar council titit t; ttit7 if i look at what the bar council is ooytmo at what the bar council is sayingt tto at what the bar council is saying, the law at what the bar council is saying, the law society is ooymo. Saying, the law society is sayingt tto saying, the law society is saying, the un saying, the law society is saying, the un high commissioner is saying, the un high commissioner to ooytmo saying, the un high commissioner to ooymo tto saying, the un high commissioner is saying the International Courts is saying the international coutto ot is saying the International Courts of human rights are saying courts of human rights are ooytmoltmmt courts of human rights are saying, think there are grave saying, i think there are grave concerns owns bringing in concerns owns about bringing in toototottom concerns owns about bringing in legislation and concerns owns about bringing in legislation and plans that would ootuotty legislation and plans that would ootuotty ooo legislation and plans that would actually see people are actually see people who are ttotttotoot actually see people who are trafficked, being sent away from our trafficked, being sent away from ooumtty. Trafficked, being sent away from our country. There trafficked, being sent away from our country. There are our country. I think there are tootty our country. I think there are reallyissues our country. I think there are really issues with this really serious issues with this toototottom really serious issues with this legislation, these and legislation, these plans and mm legislation, these plans and wtot tto legislation, these plans and what the government should be tomo what the government should be ttomo ottom what the government should be doing about proper doing is bringing about proper yout doing is bringing about proper your stout doing is bringing about proper your should be. 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I mean, we have got since last gina, the bring since the last gina, the bring tuto since the last gina, the bring ttto to since the last gina, the bring ttto to o since the last gina, the bring this to a close since the last gina, the bring this to a close now, but are you m ottom this to a close now, but are you answer in short, was yes you do tttm answer in short, was yes you do tttmt ttoy answer in short, was yes you do tttmt ttoy om answer in short, was yes you do think they can do answer in short, was yes you do think they can do that and then im think they can do that and then ttm tomo think they can do that and then ttm going to think they can do that and then ttm going to out think they can do that and then im going to put that out to our viewers. Thank im going to put that out to our viewers. Thank you im going to put that out to our viewers. T t; viewers. Thank you for joining us. Do you think this is right . Should should servants be should should Civil Servants be able to go on strike or should they be implementing the law of they be implementing the law of the country . Send us your views on that. I guess the issue with what gina was saying in terms of what gina was saying in terms of what the views of the un and the bar council and whatever is that theyre not employed to implement government policy. I mean, you know, if they want to towo mean, you know, if they want to towo om mean, you know, if they want to have an opinion mean, you know, if they want to have an opinion that they dont uto have an opinion that they dont ttto wmot have an opinion that they dont like what the have an opinion that they dont like what the government is doing like what the government is ttomo tt like what the government isi totmoi tt tuot doing, thats fine. But it just o ttt doing, thats fine. But it just seems a bit bizarre to me that out seems a bit bizarre to me that Civil Servants seems a bit bizarre to me that Civil Servants who seems a bit bizarre to me that Civil Servants who are joined up toctwt Civil Servants who are joined up toCivil Service Civil Servants who are joined up to Civil Service knowing to the Civil Service knowing ttot to the Civil Service knowing mot to to the Civil Service knowing. That to implement that their job is to implement the governments policy, are tottmo om the governments policy, arei talking on strike talking about going on strike tooouoo talking about going on strike becausedont talking about going on strike because dont the because they dont like the governments because they dont like the governm let s because they dont like the governmlet s know you anyway, let us know what you tttm. Anyway, let us know what you tttmt. Oo anyway, let us know what you think. Gb views anyway, let us know what you think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Wow think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Wow ot think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Wow ot stoo think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Wow ot otoo pm think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Now at 3 00 pm today think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Now at 3 00 pm today the think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Now at 3 00 pm today the fa cup final off fans from across final kicks off fans from across manchester will be hoping that it side that will manchester will be hoping that it the side that will manchester will be hoping that it the trophy side that will manchester will be hoping that it the trophy whene that will manchester will be hoping that it the trophy when the at will manchester will be hoping that it the trophy when the finall lift the trophy when the final whistle droves of fans are whistle blows droves of fans are currently down currently driving down to wembley. Our midlands wembley. Our West Midlands tooottot wembley. Our West Midlands reportercarson wembley. Our West Midlands reportercarson has � titt� ti our West Midlands reporter carson has been reporter jack carson has been tottowmo reporter jack carson has been following them reporter jack carson has been following them on the route he otoooot sowtool stopped by Warwick Service stottom stopped by Warwick Service stottomluo. Stopped by Warwick Service station us. � titt� ti ti ttiti station for us. Were here at warwick where the first Warwick Services where the first of manchester coaches of the Manchester United coaches have down on have started coming down on their way to wembley. The their way down to wembley. The atmosphere incredible. Atmosphere is incredible. Theres buzz in the theres already a buzz in the air is course, the first air this is of course, the first time theres been a time that theres been a Manchester Derby fa cup Manchester Derby in the fa cup final the stakes couldnt be final and the stakes couldnt be higher. United higher. Manchester united looking their second looking to win their second domestic trophy of the season of course, looking to do that course, city looking to do that treble if they today and treble if they win today and then the Champions League then win the Champions League and of course match manchester then win the Champions League and of when; match manchester then win the Champions League and of when; matgot ianchester then win the Champions League and of when; matgot that� iester then win the Champions League and of when; mat got that treble united when they got that treble years and years but the years and years ago. But the atmosphere already fantastic. Atmosphere is already fantastic. The the the security operation, the policing also quite big as policing is also quite big as well. When we down to well. When we get down to wembley, than 1000 wembley, more than 1000 metropolitan officers metropolitan Police Officers are going making sure everyone going to be making sure everyone has enjoyable day, as has a safe and enjoyable day, as well course, greater well as, of course, Greater Manchester police as well, mixing in with those crowds. Youve separate fan youve got two separate fan zones. Have also been zones. Fans have also been advised different routes advised to take different routes down Manchester United fans down with Manchester United fans coming stopping coming down here, stopping at places services places like Warwick Services on the manchester fans the m40. Manchester city fans advised take the just to advised to take the m1 just to make everyones safe and make sure everyones safe and enjoyable. The atmosphere make sure everyones safe and enjothe. E. The atmosphere make sure everyones safe and enjothe tension he atmosphere make sure everyones safe and enjothe tension andtmosphere make sure everyones safe and enjothe tension and the ;phere make sure everyones safe and enjothe tension and the buzz; make sure everyones safe and enjothe tension and the buzz is and the tension and the buzz is already here on way to already here on the way down to wembley. Thanks already here on the way down to wembley. Thanks ever so much for wembley. Thanks ever so much for mot. Wembley. Thanks ever so much for ttot. Toot wembley. Thanks ever so much for ttot. Toot. Wembley. Thanks ever so much for that, jack. Everyone � titt� ti thanks ever so much for that, jack. Everyone looks � titt� tit thanks ever so much for that, jack. Everyone looks to be that, jack. Everyone looks to be enjoying that, jack. Everyone looks to be enjoying themselves now half of ttom enjoying themselves now half of ttom to enjoying themselves now half of momto omtoytmo them wont be enjoying themselves them wont be enjoying themselves way themselves on the way back. Atttouot themselves on the way back. Although i always themselves on the way back. Although always thought, be although i always thought, to be pottootty although i always thought, to be oottoottyotwoyo perfectly honest, i always thought perfectly honest, i always thought that perfectly honest, i always thought that all the manchester ttowottmo thought that all the manchester travelling thought thought that all the manchester travelli manchester thought thought that all the manchester travelli Manchester United ight all the Manchester United fans ttwot all the Manchester United fans ttwot m all the Manchester United fans lived in london all the Manchester United fans lived in london anyway. But moyto mowl lived in london anyway. But moyto mow. L lived in london anyway. But moyto mow. Ai lived in london anyway. But maybe now. A group maybe thats cruel now. A group of maybe thats cruel now. A group ot ooytum maybe thats cruel now. A group of asylum have been of Asylum Seekers have been staging pavement protest after staging a pavement protest after refusing sleep. Four people refusing to sleep. Four people in a hotel in central in a hotel room in Central London, prompting anger from the neighbours. The group has totootot g the group has rejected concessions made by the tomo rejected concessions made by the uomo omtoo rejected concessions made by the home office and rejected concessions made by the home office and has now been tomtot home office and has now been tomtottout home office and has now been handed hour ultimatum to handed a 24 hour ultimatum to ooooot handed a 24 hour ultimatum to ooooot mott handed a 24 hour ultimatum to accept their hotel handed a 24 hour ultimatum to accept their Hotel Accommodation or accept their Hotel Accommodation ot to accept their Hotel Accommodation or to moto accept their Hotel Accommodation or be made homeless. Joining us to or be made homeless. Joining us to ttoouoo or be made homeless. Joining us now to discuss this or be made homeless. Joining us now to discuss this is former utm now to discuss this is former uttt tootot now to discuss this is former ukip leader henry bolton. Henry, ttomo ukip leader henry bolton. Henry, ttomto oo ukip leader henry bolton. Henry, thanks so much ukip leader henry bolton. Henry, thanks so much for ukip leader henry bolton. Henry, thanks so much forjoining us. Wtot thanks so much forjoining us. Wtotlyou thanks so much forjoining us. Whatyou make thanks so much forjoining us. What you make of this . It what do you make of this . It outto what do you make of this . It seems quite extraordinary, on the seems quite extraordinary, on ttoottomo. Seems quite extraordinary, on the hand, people who the one hand, that people who are the one hand, that people who oootmo the one hand, that people who are seeking refuge are complaining are seeking refuge are complaining about their Hotel Accommodation complaining about their Hotel Accommodation. Complaining about their Hotel Accommodation. But i guess on accommodation. But i guess on the accommodation. But i guess on tho ottot accommodation. But i guess on the other side accommodation. But i guess on the other side of accommodation. But i guess on the other side of the argument is the other side of the argument to mot the other side of the argument to tmot moyto the other side of the argument is that maybe trying to squeeze tout is that maybe trying to squeeze tout ooooto is that maybe trying to squeeze four people into is that maybe trying to squeeze four people into a is that maybe trying to squeeze four people into a london hotel to o ttt four people into a London Hotel Room is a bit excessive. Where room is a bit excessive. Where do room is a bit excessive. Where to you room is a bit excessive. Where to you stout room is a bit excessive. Where to you otomt om room is a bit excessive. Where do you stand on this . � titt� tii do you stand on this . Well, i stout do you stand on this . Well, i stood potty do you stand on this . Well, i stand pretty much where youve just described. I mean, the first thing is that that, you know, these are all young men. Uh, there are no families there. No women, no children. The young men and that just for me reinforces the fact that these people came here as part of a choice. And they are economic choice. And they are economic migrants wherever they come from is irrelevant in that sense. Is irrelevant in that sense. Theyve come to the uk because they thought they were going to have the land of milk and honey to an extent. But so ive got to a degree, ive not got a great deal of sympathy with them. But on hand, is also on the other hand, this is also illustrative of the failure of government to have a reasonable plan. First of all, there in ilford for two years. Well why havent they been processed in that two years . Well, ill tell you why. Because the government we know we know the government acts 21,000 Police Officers. Yes they recruited another 20,000. But they did a similar thing starting in 2010 with the agencies and the personnel who are responsible for processing asylum claims. What theyve not doneis asylum claims. What theyve not done is replace those numbers. Done is replace those numbers. What theyve also done is outsource some of it. Theyve lowered the standards of training for those people. And so, of course, were going to have a problem processing increasing numbers. Problem increasing numbers. Problem number one. Problem number two, i think weve all been thinking that this whole scheme of putting people in hotels is simply unsustainable. We farm simply unsustainable. We farm people out all across the country. Its very difficult to keep tabs on them. Its very difficult to provide them with any sort of medical or welfare support in a in a coherent, coordinated manner. This is not the way to do it. Ive dealt with refugees. Lots of people with refugees. Lots of people are with refugees. Lots of people ooytmo with refugees. Lots of people sayingt oomy with refugees. 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Weve got a whole concurrent. Weve got a whole bunch of people who are putting out the contrary message. Weve got people in the uk , got people in the uk, campaigners, organisations, charities and not just in the uk, also in countries like italy and so on, who are saying to migrants, you are welcome, you will be supported and even if the government doesnt support you, we and part of to you, we will. And part of to illustrate that a little bit, the in a slightly Bigger Picture, this problem is only going to get worse in italy so far this year has had just italy, 47,000 people land on its shores. Thats last year. It was shores. Thats last year. It was 22,000. By this time , its over 22,000. By this time, its over double. Now. Those people are being attracted not just by our rather laissez faire approach to this and our failure to put the british people and british economy and british interests first, but also the wider continent of europe is doing the same thing. And of course, henry people landing in europe very much indeed. Youre absolutely totoot much indeed. Youre absolutely totoot o much indeed. Youre absolutely totoot o oomt much indeed. Youre absolutely raised a point there. T. Ti. T youre absolutely raised a point there. And i tttm raised a point there. And i think thats raised a point there. And i think thats why rishi sunak was mootmo think thats why rishi sunak was moottmo wttt think thats why rishi sunak was meeting with all think thats why rishi sunak was meeting with all the other sort of meeting with all the other sort ot tutoooom meeting with all the other sort of European Countries to say got of European Countries to say got to of European Countries to say weve got to stop this now. But toot. Weve got to stop this now. But toot. Wo weve got to stop this now. But toot. Wo tot weve got to stop this now. But toot. Wo tot o weve got to stop this now. But look, we had a poll early here. Is look, we had a poll early here. 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And the result was a whopping 88 said yes , was a whopping 88 said yes, ttoy was a whopping 88 said yes, tmoy omoutt was a whopping 88 said yes, they should be was a whopping 88 said yes, they should be sharing rooms and my they should be sharing rooms and omty mto they should be sharing rooms and omty tzto oott they should be sharing rooms and only 12 said no. They should be sharing rooms and only 12 said no. Im just tootmo only 12 said no. Im just tootmo ot only 12 said no. Im just looking at this only 12 said no. Im just looking at this poll here. Wootty looking at this poll here. Nearly 6000 looking at this poll here. Nearly 6000 people voted ottotott nearly 6000 people voted straight away. Nearly 6000 people voted straight away. And thats what toyto straight away. And thats what tmoytto saying straight away. And thats what theyre saying. It straight away. And thats what theyre saying. It is right for oowommomt theyre saying. It is right for government to theyre saying. It is right for government to try and reduce the bill government to try and reduce the tttt omt government to try and reduce the tttt omt ttoy government to try and reduce the bill and they should be sharing t bill and they should be sharing rooms. I must bill and they should be sharing rooms. I must say, bill and they should be sharing rooms. I must say, if bill and they should be sharing rooms. � rooms. I must say, if people are genuinely fleeing war and persecution , even if theyre persecution, even if theyre sharing, youd think theyd be quite pleased with a hotel room, wouldnt you . Central london. Yeah. Mean, theyre genuinely yeah. I mean, theyre genuinely fleeing persecution. Fleeing war and persecution. Youd youd be quite youd think youd be quite happy i youd think youd be quite happy. Imean, youd think youd be quite happy. I mean, that could be a mottom happy. I mean, that could be a problemlit happy. I mean, that could be a problem ltt. Why happy. I mean, that could be a problem. It. Whyyou. Problem in it. Why would you oouo problem in it. Why would you send somebody problem in it. Why would you send somebody to Central London whom send somebody to Central London whomowotytmmo send somebody to Central London wheneverything is send somebody to Central London when everything is much when you know everything is muchi moto omottow more expensive and much smaller . But more expensive and much smaller . Out omywoy more expensive and much smaller . Out omywoy. More expensive and much smaller . Out omywoy. Youo more expensive and much smaller . But anyway , youve, youve had but anyway, youve, youve had your stout but anyway, youve, youve had your should be. Your say and they should be otottmo your say and they should be sharingthe your say and they should be sharing the governments sharing rooms. The governments gota sharing rooms. The governments gota grip sharing rooms. The governments goto ouo ot sharing rooms. The governments goto ouo ot tuto sharing rooms. The governments got a grip of this bill. Got to get a grip of this bill. Tto got to get a grip of this bill. To tto got to get a grip of this bill. Its the second got to get a grip of this bill. Its the second day got to get a grip of this bill. Its the second day of got to get a grip of this bill. Its the second day of the epsom derby horse racing festival, but there are concerns about Animal Rights in disrupting the day as up protesters are due to up to 1000 protesters are due to descend on the course. Well, were joined now descend on the course. Well, were joined now by descend on the course. Well, were joined now by our ii tit ti. Tit. Well, were joined now by our national tooottot were joined now by our national tooottot tout were joined now by our National Reporter paul hawkins. Tell us wtot reporter paul hawkins. Tell us wtot to reporter paul hawkins. Tell us what is happening there now. What is happening there now. Toot. What is happening there now. Toot. Tto what is happening there now. Toot. Tto tto what is happening there now. Yeah, its the main what is happening there now. Yeah, its the main day what is happening there now. Yeah, its the main day or if youre kind of for people who arent into horse racing, the way i look at it is yesterday was christmas eve, the kind of build up to the big day, christmas day, derby day, which is what were looking forward to today. Derby running at 130 today. The derby running at 130 a bit earlier because of a little bit earlier because of the final later this the fa cup final later this afternoon. A lot of afternoon. Of course, a lot of pubuchy afternoon. Of course, a lot of publicity has gone into looking at potentially protests from animal rising, disrupting the racing action, which didnt happen yesterday. So lets look back at yesterdays action with nevin truesdale, whos the ceo of club. Nevin, of the jockey club. Nevin, really to talk to you really good to talk to you again, paul. Good morning. First of all, youre looking fantastic, look at fantastic, by the way. Look at how looking. My got how smart youre looking. My got my and irish how smart youre looking. My got myand irish lions how smart youre looking. My got myand irish lions badge. My british and irish lions badge on my british and irish lions badge om towmo my british and irish lions badge om towmo tt. On here as well. Loving it. Loving on here as well. Loving it. Towmg tt on here as well. Loving it. Loving it. Yesterday on here as well. Loving it. Loving it. Yesterday n0 loving it. Yesterday no disruption. You must be thankful for that. And i noticed that around extra around the course is the extra number of stewards, marshals, Police Officers were very vigilant. Ofsted we vigilant. Yeah. Ofsted paul we were fantastically pleased with how with how yesterday how today, with how yesterday went, security and went, all our teams security and police did an absolutely brilliant job. And thankfully the brilliant job. And thankfully tto toy brilliant job. And thankfully the day passed brilliant job. And thankfully the day passed off ll and thankfully the day passed off with no ttotuottom the day passed off with no disruption whatsoever, which was tomtootto disruption whatsoever, which was tomtootto. Disruption whatsoever, which was tomtootto. Ao disruption whatsoever, which was fantastic. As you disruption whatsoever, which was fantastic. As you say, weve got fantastic. As you say, weve got a fantastic. As you say, weve got o tot fantastic. As you say, weve got o tot ot fantastic. As you say, weve got o tot ot otto fantastic. As you say, weve got a lot of extra security on site. Vootottoy a lot of extra security on site. Vootottoy woo a lot of extra security on site. Yesterday was no a lot of extra security on site. Yesterday was no different to totoy yesterday was no different to totoy omt yesterday was no different to today and know yesterday was no different to today and know people here will will today and know people here will wttt mottoo today and know people here will will notice that. Today and know people here will will notice that. And i think otwtouoty will notice that. And i think obviously theres a very good omt obviously theres a very good omt otwtouo obviously theres a very good and obvious reason for that otwom and obvious reason for that otwomtmoot and obvious reason for that giventhreat of and obvious reason for that given threat of illegal, given the threat of illegal, ttotuottwo given the threat of illegal, disruptive protest, which we mooo disruptive protest, which we mooo. 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So that today will pass so we hope that today will pass off so we hope that today will pass ottyootottoy so we hope that today will pass offyesterday did so we hope that today will pass off yesterday did and off exactly as yesterday did and ooot off exactly as yesterday did and some great racing off exactly as yesterday did and some great racing to look totwott some great racing to look totwott to some great racing to look forward to today as well. Yeah tmtoot. Towl forward to today as well. Yeah. Indeed. How was indeed. And actually, how was yesterday of i dont yesterday in terms of i dont know if youve any numbers know if youve got any numbers in footfall, there is in terms of footfall, there is obviously of living obviously a cost of living crisis, know and the crisis, but did you know and the train strikes as well. Yeah. And youve referenced train strikes as well. Yeah. And youve referenced both yeah. And youve referenced both those things. Youve referenced both those things. The youve referenced both those things. The overall crowd things. The overall the crowd yesterday things. The overall the crowd. Yesterday on yesterday was about 16,000 on the yesterday was about i6,000 on the paying yesterday was about 16,000 on the paying side. Yesterday was about 16,000 on the paying side. And then more onhm the paying side. And then more onhill watching the paying side. And then more on hill watching for free. On the hill watching for free. And on the hill watching for free. Andone on the hill watching for free. Andone of on the hill watching for free. Andone of the on the hill watching for free. And one of the actually and this is one of the actually makes and this is one of the actually makes the and this is one of the actually makes this unique. You can makes this event unique. You can comewatch makes this event unique. You can comewatch ene makes this event unique. You can come. Watch one of makes this event unique. You can come watch one of britains come and watch one of britains topevents come and watch one of britains topevents. Free top sporting events for free in theef top sporting events for free in theofhills. Top sporting events for free in theofhills. So. Top sporting events for free ini theofhills. So you the middle of the hills. So you knew, the middle of the hills. So you knew, ire the middle of the hills. So you know, we a the middle of the hills. So you know, its a lovely the middle of the hills. So you know, its a lovely day here. Anybody know, its a lovely day here. Anyneey in know, its a lovely day here. Anybody in the know, its a lovely day here. Anybody in the local area who enu anybody in the local area who sentee anybody in the local area who stillto turn anybody in the local area who stillto turn up, anybody in the local area who still to turn up, you still wants to turn up, you enu still wants to turn up, you still Tickets Still wants to turn up, you still tickets. The still wants to turn up, you still tickets the gate. But still tickets on the gate. But you still tickets on the gate. But yennann still tickets on the gate. But youwatch for still tickets on the gate. Butl you. Watch forthe you can watch for free on the nus you can watch for free on the we end you can watch for free on the hills and theres you can watch for free on the hills and theres plenty going on enere. Hills and theres plenty going on there. Families own all sorts hills and theres plenty going on different|milies own all sorts hills and theres plenty going on different|milies happeningrts of Different Things happening mere, there, which which, which is green there, which which, which is great ene there, which which, which is gene and ee there, which which, which is great and so much to look forward great and so much to look forward to great and so much to look forward to there. But yeah, you are forward to there. But yeah, you. Forward to there. But yeah, you. Nneen forward to there. But yeah, you arei mean, the forward to there. But yeah, you are i mean, the crowd was are right. I mean, the crowd was down are right. I mean, the crowd was down a are right. I mean, the crowd was down a mue are right. I mean, the crowd was down a little bit are right. I mean, the crowd was down a little bit yesterday, 16 ooo say, down a little bit yesterday, 16 ooo say, costl down a little bit yesterday, i6i goo say, cost of 000 in total. As i say, cost of unne 000 in total. As i say, cost of living definitely 000 in total. As i say, cost of living definitely seeing living crisis, definitely seeing tnneetne living crisis, definitely seeing impacting on living crisis, definitely seeing impacting our numbers as a tenure impacting our numbers as a tenuree impacting our numbers as a tenuree tn impacting our numbers as a tenuree tn. Impacting our numbers as a leisure a bit. And impacting our numbers as a leisurea bit. And also Leisure Business a bit. And also the Leisure Business a bit. And also tneetntee Leisure Business a bit. And also thestrikes had Leisure Business a bit. And also the strikes had had a much the train strikes had had a much more significant the train strikes had had a much more Significant Impact from nose. More Significant Impact from tneee. Tneen more Significant Impact from those. Epsom has got three tene those. Epsom has got three trains stations those. Epsom has got three trains stations within reasonably trains stations within reasonably close proximity to it end reasonably close proximity to it and e reasonably close proximity to it and e tet reasonably close proximity to it and e tot et reasonably close proximity to it and a lot of people, you know, for tne and a lot of people, you know, for tne deny and a lot of people, you know, for the derby and and a lot of people, you know, for the derby and the oaks, they do for the derby and the oaks, they to ante for the derby and the oaks, they to ty for the derby and the oaks, they do arrive by train. For the derby and the oaks, they do arrive by train. So there is no do arrive by train. So there is natnat do arrive by train. So there is no that affected do arrive by train. So there is no that affected us. No doubt that affected us. Atteetet no doubt that affected us. Affected us no doubt that affected us. Affected us yesterday. Yeah t affected us yesterday. Yeah and just affected us yesterday. Yeah and test a affected us yesterday. Yeah and test a ttnat affected us yesterday. Yeah and just a final word affected us yesterday. Yeah and just a final word on affected us yesterday. Yeah and just a final word on the racing and why derby so special and why is the derby so special and why is the derby so special and the two and particularly the two stories, the main stories that were looking forward to this afternoon when the race gets underway mean, underway at 130. 7 yeah, i mean, the underway at 130 . Yeah, i mean, tne betty underway at 130 . Yeah, i mean, tne oetty te underway at 130 . Yeah, i mean, the derby is one underway at 130 . Yeah, i mean, the derby is one of underway at 130 . Yeah, i mean, the derby is one of the l. � ifio . yeah, i mean, the derby is one of the iconic is the derby is one of the iconic te tne the derby is one of the iconic is the iconic the derby is one of the iconic is the iconic flat the derby is one of the iconic is the iconic flat race of the of is the iconic flat race of the at tne is the iconic flat race of the of the calendar, is the iconic flat race of the of the calendar, which im sure philip of the calendar, which im sure philip ant of the calendar, which im sure philip and esther of the calendar, which im sure philip and esther will be natentna philip and esther will be watching later on. It is watching avidly later on. It is you watching avidly later on. It is yea atl watching avidly later on. It is. Yea at tne you think of the classics of the grant you think of the classics of the granttite you think of the classics of the grand like and you think of the classics of the. Grand like and and grand slams like and tennis and tan. Grand slams like and tennis and tan. Tne grand slams like and tennis and ten. Tnteltne grand slams like and tennis and golf. This the wimbledon of golf. This is the wimbledon of tnaee golf. This is the wimbledon of those classics golf. This is the wimbledon of those classics or golf. This is the wimbledon of those classics or the open of tnaee those classics or the open of those classics, those classics or the open of those classics, which is great. Ant those classics, which is great. Anteene those classics, which is great. And some brilliant and weve got some brilliant stones stories to look forward to. Ttantte stories to look forward to. Frankie dettori stories to look forward to. Frankie dettori his Frankie Dettori riding in his tast Frankie Dettori riding in his taet nte last derby before his retirement. Last derby before his retirement. He the last derby before his retirement. Hethe oaks retirement. He won the oaks yesterday, retirement. He won the oaks yesterdaytne retirement. He won the oaks yesterday, the coronation yesterday, he won the coronation cup yesterday, he won the coronation cannee yesterday, he won the coronation cannee aet yesterday, he won the coronation cannee eat tne cup yesterday. Hes got the eanene cup yesterday. Hes got the eanene ta cup yesterday. Hes got the chance to be cup yesterday. Hes got the chance to be first jockey chance to be the first jockey etnee chance to be the first jockey tyan chance to be the first jockey since ryan moore chance to be the first jockey. Since ryan mooredo since ryan moore in 2010 to do tne since ryan moore in 2010 to do tne eate since ryan moore in 2010 to do tne eats betty since ryan moore in 2010 to do the oaks derby double in one the in the oaks derby double in one the tn tne the oaks derby double in one the in the. Weekend. The oaks derby double in one the in the. Weekend. So the oaks derby double in one the in the weekend. So were in the one weekend. So were taattna in the one weekend. So were looking forward in the one weekend. So were looking forward to arrest, looking forward to that arrest, i90t looking forward to that arrest, taatlaaat looking forward to that arrest, i got good chance i think has got a good chance for juddmonte, i think has got a good chance for juddmonte, who also owned cnattaean for juddmonte, who also owned chaldaean, who for juddmonte, who also owned chaldaean, who 2000 chaldaean, who won the 2000 aatneae chaldaean, who won the 2000 aatneaetne chaldaean, who won the 2000 guineas the season. Chaldaean, who won the 2000 guinthen the season. Chaldaean, who won the 2000 guinthen much the season. Chaldaean, who won the 2000 guinthen much more eason. Chaldaean, who won the 2000 guinthen much more poignant and then a much more poignant etaty and then a much more poignant etaty ant and then a much more poignant etaty ant ane and then a much more poignant story and one were all thinking of story and one were all thinking tat ant story and one were all thinking at ant net story and one were all thinking at ant net neti of Jesse Harrington and her her tatte of Jesse Harrington and her her battlebreast of Jesse Harrington and her her battle breast cancer. Battle with breast cancer. She watta battle with breast cancer. She neattltne battle with breast cancer. She would. The first battle with breast cancer. She would the first female would be the first female ttatnet would be the first female trainerthe would be the first female trainer the race if trainer to win the race if sntatett trainer to win the race if spruiell wins trainer to win the race if spruiell wins the race. Were spruiell wins the race. So were all spruiell wins the race. So were att tnat spruiell wins the race. So were att tnat ne spruiell wins the race. So were all that he has spruiell wins the race. So were all that he has a. All hoping that that he has a 90d all hoping that that he has a teatnee all hoping that that he has a goodwere all all hoping that that he has a good were all thinking good run and were all thinking of good run and were all thinking tatant good run and were all thinking etant net good run and were all thinking ofand her family good run and were all thinking of and her family as he as of jesse and her family as he as he of jesse and her family as he as ne tatttee of jesse and her family as he as ne tatttee very of jesse and her family as he as he battles very bravely and all tntnttna he battles very bravely and all tntnttna at he battles very bravely and all thinking of fantastic. What thinking of her. Fantastic. What a it thinking of her. Fantastic. What a tt nette thinking of her. Fantastic. What a it would be. A fantastic story it would be if ene a fantastic story it would be if ene wan a fantastic story it would be if she won. Listen, a fantastic story it would be if she wonlisten, really a fantastic story it would be if she won finally d she won it. Listen, really good to to and thank you so to talk to you and thank you so much speaking to us. Looking much for speaking to us. Looking forward to the race yesterday. And we heard there, frankie and as we heard there, Frankie Dettori horse dettori riding a horse ironically arrest. Ironically called arrest. Speaking animal speaking of which, animal rising, that there have been claiming that there have been a number of arrests outside. We are checking that surrey are checking that with surrey police. Were police. But yeah, were looking forward to the racing later. Thanks for that, paul. Well take tip for the take that as your tip for the tnen. Take that as your tip for the race then. Arrest take that as your tip for the race then. Arrest ridden by ttantte race then. Arrest ridden by Frankie Dettori race then. Arrest ridden by Frankie Dettori in his last ever tetty. Frankie dettori in his last ever tetty. Yaa Frankie Dettori in his last ever tetty. Yaa tat Frankie Dettori in his last ever derby. You for that. Frankie dettori in his last ever. Derby. You for that. And derby. Thank you for that. And well bringing latest on well be bringing the latest on those arrests as and when we hear them, thats correct. Hear them, if thats correct. Well well be talking to well well also be talking to top jonathan top showbiz agent Jonathan Shalit about the Phillip Schofield and itvs schofield fallout and itvs response it. And our response to it. And our millennials, secret capitalist chats. And what can the prime tttnteten chats. And what can the Prime Minister, rishi f and what can the Prime Minister, rishi sunak, do to win tnen minister, rishi sunak, do to win tnen ever minister, rishi sunak, do to win tnen. Well. Welcome back to saturday well. Welcome back to saturday morning well. Welcome back to saturday matntna witn well. Welcome back to saturday morning with esther and phil teats morning with esther and phil taate ta morning with esther and phil loads to come, morning with esther and phil loads to come, including reactan loads to come, including reaction to loads to come, including reaction to the loads to come, including reaction to the Phillip Schofield reaction to the Phillip Schofield storm, celebrity enanttz schofield storm, celebrity showbiz agent, professor tanatnan showbiz agent, professor Jonathan Shalit, chairman of the tntettatent Jonathan Shalit, chairman of the intertalent rights Jonathan Shalit, chairman of the intertalent rights group, will be joining intertalent rights group, will bejoining intertalent rights group, will be joining us. t intertalent rights group, will be joining us. T be joining us. And a new report by the think tank onward shows that millennials are the first generation that might not become conservative as they grow older. But are they really shy capitalists . Thats what we want to know. And if you offered them tax cuts, would they vote conservative James Cowling , conservative James Cowling, founder of next gen tories , founder of next gen tories, joins us now with the fa cup final kicking off later and the soap awards tonight, well be joined by our fantastic duo aidan magee and Hayley Palmer to give us the latest from the worlds of sport and showbiz. And as want to from as always, we want to hear from you. Do get involved in the you. So do get involved in the show. Email us at gb views gb news. Com or tweet us at gb news. But first, its time for the headlines with ray anderson. Thank you both. Its 11 01. Oat. Thank you both. Its11 01. Eat tan. Thank you both. Its11 01. On ten etety thank you both. Its11 01. Our top story this morning, at teaet our top story this morning, at teaet zet our top story this morning, at least 261 people our top story this morning, at least 261 people have been ttttet least 261 people have been ttttet ant least 261 people have been killed and 850 least 261 people have been killed and 850 injured in eatetn killed and 850 injured in eastern india killed and 850 injured in eastern india after a passenger train eastern india after a passenger train derailed, eastern india after a passenger train derailed, striking two atnete train derailed, striking two atnete ae train derailed, striking two others as the train derailed, striking two others as the death toll makes it tne others as the death toll makes it the countrys others as the death toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail tnettent it the countrys deadliest rail tnettent tn it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. Incident in more than two decades. The incident in more than two decades. The army has been tenteyet decades. The army has been tenteyet te decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the tntatet deployed to help evacuate the tntatet nttn deployed to help evacuate the injured with an deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. And rescue operation ongoing. Nine and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi is atea Prime Minister Narendra Modi is atee set Prime Minister Narendra Modi is atee set to Prime Minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit Prime Minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit the site in oatena also set to visit the site in odisha state. Also set to visit the site in odisha state. Phillip schofield eaye odisha state. Phillip schofield eaye ne odisha state. Phillip schofield eaye ne teats odisha state. Phillip schofield says he fears being spat on in tne says he fears being spat on in tne etteet says he fears being spat on in the street after says he fears being spat on in the street after it says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed tnat the street after it was revealed tnat net the street after it was revealed tnat net nat the street after it was revealed that hed had an the street after it was revealed that hed had an affair with a younger that hed had an affair with a younger colleague whilst nteeenttna younger colleague whilst presenting this morning in a new interview presenting this morning in a new tntenten nttn presenting this morning in a new interview with the presenting this morning in a new interview with the sun , he interview with the sun, he admitted interview with the sun, he admitted hes interview with the sun, he admitted hes afraid to leave his admitted hes afraid to leave nte nause admitted hes afraid to leave his house after admitted hes afraid to leave his house after resigning from itv his house after resigning from ttv ant his house after resigning from ttv ant tetna his house after resigning from itv and being dropped by his tatent itv and being dropped by his tatent agency itv and being dropped by his tatent aeeney. Itv and being dropped by his talent agency. Schofield says he talent agency. Schofield says he is talent agency. Schofield says he te getting talent agency. Schofield says he te getttng ty talent agency. Schofield says he is getting by hour talent agency. Schofield says he is getting by hour by hour with eannatt is getting by hour by hour with eannen nan is getting by hour by hour with support from his is getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and trends support from his daughters and tends. Support from his daughters and friends. Animal support from his daughters and friends. Animal rights activists friends. Animal rights activists are threatening friends. Animal rights activists are threatening to cancel or eevetety are threatening to cancel or severely delay are threatening to cancel or severely delay todays epsom betty severely delay todays epsom detty. Severely delay todays epsom derby. Animal severely delay todays epsom derby. Animal rising says the derby. Animal rising says the group derby. Animal rising says the group wttt derby. Animal rising says the group wttt pat derby. Animal rising says the group will put their bodies on the group will put their bodies on tne tne group will put their bodies on tne ttne to group will put their bodies on the line to shut group will put their bodies on the line to shut down the race ant the line to shut down the race ant protect the line to shut down the race and protect the the line to shut down the race and protect the animals. They too and protect the animals. They ateo tant and protect the animals. They ateo want to and protect the animals. They also want to spark a national tetate also want to spark a National Debate about also want to spark a National Debate about what theyre oatttnt debate about what theyre eatttnt oat debate about what theyre calling our broken relations nttn calling our broken relations with animals calling our broken relations with animals and nature. Surrey with animals and nature. Surrey tottoe with animals and nature. Surrey tottoe ate with animals and nature. Surrey police are warning with animals and nature. Surrey police are warning that they wttt police are warning that they wttt not police are warning that they will not tolerate police are warning that they will not tolerate any risks to tatto will not tolerate any risks to tattte eatety. Will not tolerate any risks to public safety. Well rail taeeenten public safety. Well rail passengers are experiencing tnett passengers are experiencing tnetttnttt passengers are experiencing their third day passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption. Their third day of major disruption. This week as members of disruption. This week as members ot tne disruption. This week as members ot tne asttt disruption. This week as members of the aslef union disruption. This week as members of the aslef union go on strike. Tottete of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 train eontantee workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an ongoing companies have walked out in an ontotnt ttetate companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and oonttttone. Ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. Aslef which represents conditions. Aslef which represents 96 of train drivers, tto represents 96 of train drivers, warn its unlikely represents 96 of train drivers, warn its unlikely any services ttt warn its unlikely any services wttt tan warn its unlikely any services wttt tne warn its unlikely any services will run the disruption is atteottnt will run the disruption is affecting people attending the fa affecting people attending the to can affecting people attending the to can tnat affecting people attending the fa cup final at affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and the tneon fa cup final at wembley and the tteon oetty fa cup final at wembley and the tteon oetty. Fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a teoott epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a eeott ot epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last nontn. By a record of almost £0. 12 last nontn. Tnate by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats the by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats the biggest drop for month. Thats the biggest drop tot over month. Thats the biggest drop tot two month. Thats the biggest drop for over two decades. The rac eaye for over two decades. The rac eaye tne for over two decades. The rac says the average for over two decades. The rac says the average price of diesel tent says the average price of diesel went tton says the average price of diesel went from 158. 9 says the average price of diesel went from 158. 9 pence to 140 ttoo went from 158. 9 pence to 140 ttoo tn went from 158. 9 pence to 140 ttoo tn may. Went from 158. 9 pence to 140 £0. 07 in may. Its went from 158. 9 pence to 140 £0. 07 in may. Its the seventh onete £0. 07 in may. Its the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump consecutive month in which uk pant tneee consecutive month in which uk pant tneee nave consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen , pump prices have fallen, tetaotnt pump prices have fallen, reducing the pump prices have fallen, reducing the cost of filling up a tyttoat reducing the cost of filling up atytteat tantty reducing the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6. 50. Tettot a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 tast petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 taet nontn petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 taet nontn. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month. A petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month. A uk petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month. A uk Ticket Holder last month. A uk Ticket Holder won more than last month. A uk Ticket Holder won more than £110 million in tast won more than £110 million in taet nttnte won more than £110 million in last nights euromillions taetnot last nights euromillions taettot. Tne last nights euromillions jackpot. The unnamed winner is nonet jackpot. The unnamed winner is now richer than jackpot. The unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane. Now richer than footballer harry kane. Actor now richer than footballer harry kane. Actor daniel now richer than footballer harry kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and enter kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and etntet tna kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and etntet oaa una kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and etntet tea tea. Kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and singer dua lipa. According to singer dua lipa. According to tne singer dua lipa. According to tne suntay singer dua lipa. According to the sunday times rich list ttayete the sunday times rich list ttayete ate the sunday times rich list players are being urged to check if players are being urged to check it tney players are being urged to check it tney ooatt players are being urged to check if they could be players are being urged to check if they could be the lucky winner. Customers ordering winner. Customers ordering ttooenee winner. Customers ordering ttooenee on winner. Customers ordering groceries on delivery apps such as tetttetoo groceries on delivery apps such as tetttetoo ot groceries on delivery apps such as deliveroo or uber eats are paying as deliveroo or uber eats are taytnt tntoe as deliveroo or uber eats are paying twice the as deliveroo or uber eats are paying twice the price compared to buying paying twice the price compared to taytnt tnen paying twice the price compared to buying them in paying twice the price compared to buying them in store. Consumer group which. Found that eaeonnent pay Consumer Group which. Found that eaeonnent pay an Consumer Group which. Found that customers pay an average of 8 tot customers pay an average of 8 more for morrisons customers pay an average of 8 more for morrisons groceries via tnaon more for morrisons groceries via aaon tne more for morrisons groceries via aaon toe to more for morrisons groceries via amazon due to convenience. In one case, unsalted amazon due to convenience. In one case, unsalted butter cost. 5 one case, unsalted butter cost. 5 note one case, unsalted butter cost. 5 on one case, unsalted butter cost 45 more on amazon than in supermarkets 45 more on amazon than in supermarkets and asdas own ttant supermarkets and asdas own ttant ttant supermarkets and asdas own brand brand wine was £2 more enenetve brand brand wine was £2 more expensive online brand brand wine was £2 more expensive online. Brand brand wine was £2 more expensive online. It comes amid expensive online. It comes amid ayeat expensive online. It comes amid ayeat ot expensive online. It comes amid a year ot teoott expensive online. It comes amid a year of record increases in toot a year of record increases in food inflation a year of record increases in food inflation in a year of record increases in food inflation in scotlands. Food inflation in scotlands. Tint food inflation in scotlands. First minister food inflation in scotlands. First minister says there has never been a first minister says there has never been a more important time for never been a more important time tot tne never been a more important time tot tne country never been a more important time for the country to never been a more important time for the country to become independent. For the country to become independent. Humza yousaf claims that westminster independent. Humza yousaf claims that westminster is independent. Humza yousaf claims that westminster is failing to tattott that westminster is failing to support pebble that westminster is failing to support people in scotland tanne support people in scotland tannt tne support people in scotland during the cost support people in scotland during the cost of living onete. During the cost of living te during the cost of living crisis. He says during the cost of living crisis. He says snps would tatt crisis. He says snps would tattt an crisis. He says snps would build an economy that puts notttnt build an economy that puts working families first. First minister working families first. First minister to working families first. First minister is also working families first. 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This is gb news. Well bring you. This is gb news. Well bring you note. This is gb news. Well bring you ae t. This is gb news. Well bring you more as it happens. Lets get you more as it happens. Lets get tact you more as it happens. Lets get taot to you more as it happens. Lets get back to esther and phil. Ltnantn get back to esther and phil. L tnantt tay get back to esther and phil. Thanks, ray. And get back to esther and phil. Thanks, ray. And obviously thanks, ray. And obviously were bringing the story as it unfolds. There epsom our unfolds. There epsom derby, our animal rising will they is there a race going on there . Will they be protesting . A thousand of them meant descend and them were meant to descend and we also put out a poll early on and was our animal and that was our animal activists plan to disrupt the epsom derby today. Do these protesters really have the animals interests in mind or are they ignorant about horse racing and just attention seeking . And thousands voted on seeking . And thousands voted on this, and it looks like 86. They are attention seeking. Its not that they are animal lovers. What do you think, phil . Were you surprised with that score . 86 cent attention seekers, 86. Really . I think they are ttnotant. Really . I think they are ttnotant. Really . I think they are ignorant. I mean, when they ttoteetet ignorant. I mean, when they protestedthe ignorant. I mean, when they protested the grand protested against the grand tattonat protested against the grand national,they. 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The derby telttat probably dont know. The derby islflattheres probably dont know. The derby islflattheres no probably dont know. The derby is flat theres no no is a flat race. Theres no no natttee is a flat race. Theres no no natttee ot is a flat race. Theres no no hurdles or they is a flat race. Theres no no hurdles or they dont want any none hurdles or they dont want any none none hurdles or they dont want any horse racing ever hurdles or they dont want any horse racing ever again. I suspect horse racing ever again. I eaeteet tney horse racing ever again. I suspect they dont even know tnat suspect they dont even know tnatlte suspect they dont even know thatbe perfectly suspect they dont even know that be perfectly honest. That to be perfectly honest. I tntnt that to be perfectly honest. I think absolutely. Think they know absolutely notntnt think they know absolutely. Notntnt ot think they know absolutely notntnt ot non nothing about the subject or how nett attet nothing about the subject or how well after those well they looked after those nonee. Well they looked after those nonee. At well they looked after those horses. As the well they looked after those horses. L well they looked after those. Horses. As the philip well horses. But as the philip well looked as well as what looked after, as well as what are you trying to say . I look after well enough, but just after you well enough, but just not as a racehorse. I as not as well as a racehorse. I as the Phillip Schofield saga continues unfold , who knew continues to unfold, who knew what and when does remain the main question . Early on, we main question . Early on, we spoke main question . Early on, we spoke to main question . Early on, we spoke to tne main question . Early on, we spoke to the chairman 2 early on, we spoke to the chairman of the cattate, spoke to the chairman of the culture, media spoke to the chairman of the culture, media and sport select conntttee culture, media and Sport Select Committee about culture, media and Sport Select Committee about this, and were totnet committee about this, and were totnet non committee about this, and were totnet ty committee about this, and were joined now by showbiz agent, ttoteeeot joined now by showbiz agent, professorshalit, professor Jonathan Shalit, onattnan professor Jonathan Shalit, chairman of professor Jonathan Shalit, chairman of the intertalent nonto chairman of the intertalent tentsto chairman of the intertalent rights to discuss it rights group, to discuss it tattnen rights group, to discuss it further. Jonathan, thank you so neon further. Jonathan, thank you so neat tot further. Jonathan, thank you so much for taking further. Jonathan, thank you so much for taking time to join much for taking the time to join us. Youve been much for taking the time to join us. Youve been involved in the tntaetty us. Youve been involved in the tntaetty tot us. Youve been involved in the industry for many us. Youve been involved in the industry for many a year. Have you industry for many a year. Have you ever industry for many a year. Have you ever seen anything quite atte you ever seen anything quite ttae tne you ever seen anything quite like this situation with itv and phillip like this situation with itv and Phillip Schofield like this situation with itv and Phillip Schofield and the tattoat Phillip Schofield and the fallout from Phillip Schofield and the fallout from it . Will � fallout from it . Well, if ones brutally honest, yes. I mean, these media storms happen quite regularly. They explode. Theyre regularly. They explode. Theyre massive for a short period of time. They disappear. And i think this media storm is exactly that. Its a media storm way bigger than the actual issue. And it will disappear fairly quickly. Well you say that it hasnt. Its rumbled on now for a tonne hasnt. Its rumbled on now for a ooatte ot hasnt. Its rumbled on now for a couple of weeks. E its rumbled on now for a couple of weeks. They always say a couple of weeks. They always say tn a couple of weeks. They always say tn tne a couple of weeks. They always say in the world a couple of weeks. They always say in the world of a couple of weeks. They always say in the world of politics, tnen say in the world of politics, that you say in the world of politics, which you know say in the world of politics, which you know about as well, if yoe which you know about as well, if yoe etu which you know about as well, if youre still the which you know about as well, if youre still the story, seven taye youre still the story, seven taye taten youre still the story, seven days later, youve usually gone on. Days later, youve usually gone tat days later, youve usually gone tat nete days later, youve usually gone on. But were not days later, youve usually gone on. But were not really hearing anytntnt on. But were not really hearing anytntnt nete on. But were not really hearing anything here from itv. Are they tentnt anything here from itv. Are they tentnt tne anything here from itv. Are they behind the curve . Anything here from itv. Are they behind the curve . Well first of all behind the curve . Well first of at tne behind the curve . Well first of all, the person behind the curve . Well first of all, the person who is the entte all, the person who is the entte ot all, the person who is the centre of the all, the person who is the centre of the story has gone. Tnatt centre of the story has gone. Tnatt phillip centre of the story has gone. Thats Phillip Schofield. And the story is continuing this weekend because of the interview he this week. As to your he gave this week. As to your other question you just asked esther , are itv did you say esther, are itv did you say behind the curve . Yeah the answer is no, not ahead of it. I mean, first of all, were looking at a matter that really happenedin looking at a matter that really happened in 2023 years ago. We deal with all the major broadcasters and Media Companies around the world and itv are very much have been ahead of the curve for a long time. Very much have been ahead of the curve for a longtime. I very much have been ahead of the curve for a long time. I mean, curve for a long time. I mean, clearly ive seen about the independent inquiry with the barrister and ill ask about processes, but i actually know from personal experience that the processes itv have in place are absolutely excellent when it comes to wildfire. Well fire for talent staff and People Associated with the company. So i think, yes, its a very important question about what happenedin important question about what happened in 2020. However, the Bigger Picture of itv being where they are on the curve is thats one thing i can safely say. Theyre very much where they should be on the curve. And jonathan, youve been tntotvet and jonathan, youve been involved in and jonathan, youve been involved in representing some nayo involved in representing some nato state involved in representing some major stars over involved in representing some major stars over many years. Antit major stars over many years. Philip schofield major stars over many years. Philip schofield said in his interview Philip Schofield said in his interview that Philip Schofield said in his interview that his career was was finished interview that his career was was finished. Interview that his career was was finished. What do you think was finished. What do you think tnate was finished. What do you think tnate ttaee was finished. What do you think thats true . Do was finished. What do you think thats true . Do you think his career is finished and what do you career is finished and what do you tntnt career is finished and what do you tntnt tt career is finished and what do you think it all career is finished and what do you think it all means for holly tttttoatnty you think it all means for holly tttttoatnty ant you think it all means for Holly Willoughby and her career . Well, willoughby and her career . Well, i willoughby and her career . Well,. Tntnt willoughby and her career . Well, ttntnt tnete willoughby and her career . Well, i think there again, two entirety i think there again, two entirely separate questions. Entirely separate questions. Phillip entirely separate questions. Phillip schofield entirely separate questions. Phillip schofield career entirely separate questions. Phillip schofield career is finished. I think the most finished. I think the most important thing , he hasnt important thing, he hasnt broken the law. So therefore, absolutely today is a very dark day for him or the last few weeks have been very dark for him. And i also do share some thoughts that the trolling hes now receiving is completely disproportionate. Hes being punished in a way that has really bashed his life beyond imagination. But he will pick himself up and in time, broadcasters will give him more work. So i think the one thing he should hold on to is he looks at how dark his life is today is at how dark his life is today is a time heals and so long as he is , shows genuine remorse, which is, shows genuine remorse, which i believe he seems to be. The pendulum will swing and hell get more opportunities. So and thats happened to many people. Look at jeremy kyle, you know, when that terrible thing happened, someone on happened, when someone died on his was out. And now his show, he was out. And now hes again, with hes back again, working with a rival and gb news rival broadcaster and gb news and a regular columnist in a major newspaper. People do come back as long as they dont break the very different the law. Thats a very different question. Was the second question. What was the second question, holly . Holly tttttoatnty question, holly . Holly willoughby. 7 question, holly . Holly willoughby . I question, holly . Holly willoughby . I mean, theres willoughby . I mean, theres actually no reason why holly shouldnt continue her career. And if shes made absolutely clear she didnt know. No one has been able to show she did know. So therefore, your innocence, youre proven guilty. Shes one of britains best broadcasters. I dont represent broadcasters. I dont represent her. So i can say that very objectively. A lot of objectively. Theres a lot of love for holly. Shes very experienced, but she understands tv and she will come back and continue as long as she wants. Continue as long as she wants. Jonathan shalit, thank you Jonathan Shalitjthank you very Jonathan Shalit, thank you very neon Jonathan Shalit, thank you very neon tnteet Jonathan Shalit, thank you very much indeed for Jonathan Shalit, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this much indeed for joining us this notntnt. Much indeed for joining us this notntnt. Tte much indeed for joining us this morning. Its interesting what ot morning. Its interesting what some of our gb morning. Its interesting what some of our gb viewers are eaytnt. Some of our gb viewers are eaytnt. Te some of our gb viewers are eaytnt. Ne eat some of our gb viewers are saying. He said, although i tont tnttni dont condone what philip sonottett dont condone what Philip Schofield has dont condone what Philip Schofield has done, i do think we neet schofield has done, i do think we neet to schofield has done, i do think we need to stop schofield has done, i do think we need to stop reporting it tneyte we need to stop reporting it now. Theyre saying hes clearly in now. Theyre saying hes clearly tn a now. Theyre saying hes clearly tn a tat now. Theyre saying hes clearly tn a tat ntaoe now. Theyre saying hes clearly in a bad place. And david says, neteonatty, in a bad place. And david says, neteonatty. In a bad place. And david says, personally, i think in a bad place. And david says, personally, i think this morning neete personally, i think this morning neete to personally, i think this morning neete to te personally, i think this morning needs to be taken personally, i think this morning needs to be taken off air until tne needs to be taken off air until this unpleasantness goes away. Tnteteettnt this unpleasantness goes away. Tnteteettnt to this unpleasantness goes away. Interesting to get this unpleasantness goes away. Interesting to get jonathans patente interesting to get jonathans perspective, isnt it . t perspective, isnt it . And hes i perspective, isnt it . And hes. Mean perspective, isnt it . And hes i mean, hes been in the industry for years. He knows what industry for years. He knows tnat nee industry for years. He knows what hes talking he knows what hes talking about. He also toen what hes talking about. He also toee a what hes talking about. He also toee a nett what hes talking about. He also does a hell of what hes talking about. He also does a hell of a what hes talking about. He also does a hell of a lot what hes talking about. He also does a hell of a lot of work neonte does a hell of a lot of work neonte ntotatty does a hell of a lot of work people probably dont know. Tea people probably dont know. Not atto people probably dont know. Hes also chairman people probably dont know. Hes also chairman of people probably dont know. Hes also chairman of the variety charity, the childrens charity. Does an awful lot charity. So he does an awful lot of good as well. Great to of good work as well. Great to have his perspective. But now lets take a look have his perspective. But now lets take a lookthe f but now lets take a look the stories lets take a look at the stories of lets take a look at the stories otwete lets take a look at the stories of were delighted to of the week. Were delighted to be of the week. Were delighted to te totnet of the week. Were delighted to te totnet atatn of the week. Were delighted to be joined again in of the week. Were delighted to be joined again in the studio by tonnet be joined again in the studio by totnettne be joined again in the studio by formerthe labour be joined again in the studio by former assembly,3 labour be joined again in the studio by former assembly, seanyur be joined again in the studio by former assembly, sean bailey, london assembly, sean bailey, ant london assembly, sean bailey, anteentot london assembly, sean bailey, and senior political and the senior Political Correspondent and the senior Political Correspondentguardian, and the senior political corresp allegretti, guardian, and the senior political corresp allegretti, were uardian, and the senior political corresp allegretti, were going n, aubrey allegretti, were going to tnte aubrey allegretti, were going to tnte tnel to start with you this time. Aunttv to start with you this time. Aubreyweve to start with you this time. Aubrey weve had all sorts aubrey yes, weve had all sorts of aubrey yes, weve had all sorts ot natntnte aubrey yes, weve had all sorts of warnings emblazoned over the nont of warnings emblazoned over the ttont paten of warnings emblazoned over the front pagesabout of warnings emblazoned over the front pages about i, i front pages this week about i, i ant front pages this week about i, i ant tne front pages this week about i, i ant tne eon front pages this week about i, i and the sort of front pages this week about i, i and the sort of threat to nanantty and the sort of threat to humanity, the and the sort of threat to humanity, the kind of things tnat humanity, the kind of things tnatlooatt humanity, the kind of things thatlcould do humanity, the kind of things that could do and the that it could do and the tenttte that it could do and the terrible things it could do. So neat terrible things it could do. So weve heard warnings terrible things it could do. So weve heard warnings about for example, ai bots potentially creating their own chemical weapons. Its quite weapons. So its quite interesting to read a story in the today about rishi the times today about rishi sunak wanting to, ahead of his trip to the next week, set up trip to the us next week, set up a watchdog to sort of look after and set up some guardrails around ai and its developments. Hes going to be discussing it with the us president next week when he goes to washington dc and were sort of on and were sort of thin on details for now, but it is, i suppose, that some suppose, a good thing that some countries at least talking countries are at least talking about getting together is that for the was he thinking for the uk or was he thinking that would be global that it would be the global watchdog want it watchdog and hed want it centred the uk . Was he trying centred in the uk . Was he trying to teat centred in the uk . Was he trying to teat tne centred in the uk . Was he trying to lead the charge tttzfatzzit , was he trying to lead the charge globally tnetee to lead the charge globally tnetee vee to lead the charge globally there . Yes every every sort of nottttotan there . Yes every every sort of politician probably says this country politician probably says this country ttt politician probably says this country will lead the way in tne country will lead the way in tnte ttett. Country will lead the way in this field. But country will lead the way in this field. But no country will lead the way in this field. My country will lead the way in this field. 3 this field. But no rishi sunak wants it to be a global watchdog thats headquartered in the uk and interesting because and its interesting because theres a Company Called anthropic, is based san anthropic, which is based in San Francisco and its got 1. 45 billion, but its chosen the uk for its first big office outside the us and its trying to create a sort of rival to chatgpt. So there are clearly, clearly lots of Companies Like this that want to come to the uk and invest in the uk. So its in the Prime Ministers interests to make sure that al is sort of safe here, but also that no other countries can use it for nefarious activities. Well, i thinkpositive nefarious activities. Well, ii thinkpositive story, think thats a positive story, if think thats a positive story, ttntnt think thats a positive story, ttntnt ne think thats a positive story, if mind me saying. If you dont mind me saying. I tntnt if you dont mind me saying. I tinttoot. If you dont mind me saying. I thinkgood. Were if you dont mind me saying. I think good. Were leading think thats good. Were leading the think thats good. Were leading tne otatte think thats good. Were leading the charge. Were think thats good. Were leading the charge. Were leading the way the charge. Were leading the nay tnat the charge. Were leading the way that weve. The charge. Were leading thei way that weve got way and realise that weve got toa way and realise that weve got toa tna way and realise that weve got toa tnnltnte way and realise that weve got toa tnnltnte. Way and realise that weve got to a grip this. I look, to get a grip on this. I look, nee to get a grip on this. I look, hes correct. To get a grip on this. I look, hes correct. It to get a grip on this. I look, hes correct. E ll hes correct. It will only work if its international, because if its international, because if all fail to the if we all fail to the way behaving somebody behaving ourselves and somebody else no else isnt, it makes no difference. Correct. Uk difference. Its correct. The uk is the best place to do is probably the best place to do it, but i think the challenge is we treating this as if the we are treating this as if the Development Ai like the development of ai is like the development of ai is like the development of ai is like the development of nuclear weapons. Only states can it, only nation states can do it, etcetera, etcetera, it etcetera, etcetera, because it can done commercial can be done by commercial Companies Feel they companies who feel that they have it. Deregulation have to do it. Deregulation would in my mind, to look would need, in my mind, to look a little bit more like banking and have to very fleet on its and have to be very fleet on its foot because the most important thing because ai now thing about al, because ai now teaches ai, it develops at an exponential rate and its just something not used yet. Something were not used to yet. It massive positive benefits it has massive positive benefits for the for the world going forward. Medical breakthroughs, etcetera, etcetera. But it also can be very dangerous. Now, tim says here im a huge Manchester City fan. Ive had to take an exta city fan. Ive had to take an extta tay city fan. Ive had to take an extta tay ott city fan. Ive had to take an extra day off work c eat ive had to take an extra day off work so i could atott extra day off work so i could atott tne extra day off work so i could avoid the railway extra day off work so i could avoid the railway chaos caused by train avoid the railway chaos caused by train strikes avoid the railway chaos caused by train strikes by avoid the railway chaos caused by train strikes by coming up a day by train strikes by coming up a tay eatty by train strikes by coming up a tay eatty. Tn by train strikes by coming up a day early. Im really starting to tone day early. Im really starting to toee ny day early. Im really starting to lose my patience. You were going to lose my patience. You were totnt to to lose my patience. You were totnt to toot to lose my patience. You were going to look at to lose my patience. You were going to look at those strikes totay going to look at those strikes totay, tnoee going to look at those strikes today, those railway strikes. Tnat today, those railway strikes. That asttt today, those railway strikes. What aslef are today, those railway strikes. What aslef are doing to the country what aslef are doing to the country to what aslef are doing to the country is really what aslef are doing to the country is really affecting our eonoy country is really affecting our economy. Theres country is really affecting our economy. Economy. Theres some estimations that says its taken about 5 billion out of the economy. But whats really important is i think we now need to look at just how much they are paid. Theres some of the best paid workers who work for us nationally. Get gold us nationally. They get gold plated pensions and most of the people that affecting dont people that are affecting dont earn what theyre earn anything like what theyre earning. Think were earning. And i think were getting to point now where getting to a point now where ordinary are saying ordinary people are saying enough cannot enough is enough. We cannot afford even better afford to pay you even better than being paid now than youre being paid now and your working conditions arent that beginning to that bad. Theyre beginning to lose what do you lose support. Obe what do you tnat lose support. Obe what do you tnatyot lose support. Obe what do you whatyou think . Lose support. Obe what do you whatyou think . I obe what do you what you think . I mean, i what do you think . I mean, i went what do you think . I mean, i went to what do you think . I mean, i went to visit what do you think . I mean, i went to visit Northern Rail a counte went to visit Northern Rail a ooante ot went to visit Northern Rail a couple of weeks went to visit Northern Rail a couple of weeks ago to visit tnen, couple of weeks ago to visit the. Ant couple of weeks ago to visit them, and theres a new train tnven them, and theres a new train the nenty them, and theres a new train driver, newly started train tntet driver, newly started train the tn driver, newly started train driver in Northern Rail in west tottentte driver in Northern Rail in west tottentte. Driver in Northern Rail in west yorkshire. The driver in Northern Rail in west yorkshire. The starting salary yorkshire. The starting salary is yorkshire. The starting salary te stato yorkshire. The starting salary is 55,500 pounds. The starting etatttnt is 55,500 pounds. The starting etatttnt eataty is 55,500 pounds. The starting starting salary for is 55,500 pounds. The starting starting salary for a train tnat starting salary for a train tnat at starting salary for a train guard at Northern Rail is 32,500 notnte guard at Northern Rail is 32,500 noante. Guard at Northern Rail is 32,500 noante. Ean guard at Northern Rail is 32,500 noante. T. Guard at Northern Rail is 32,500 pounds. I mean , lots of people pounds. I mean, lots of people wttt pounds. I mean, lots of people wttt tttnk pounds. I mean, lots of people will think, do pounds. I mean, lots of people will think, do you pounds. I mean, lots of people will think, do you know what . For will think, do you know what . Tot etatttnt will think, do you know what . For starting salaries, im aotaatty for starting salaries, im actually pretty good arent tneye actually pretty good arent tneye teat. Actually pretty good arent they . Yeah, there actually pretty good arent they . in . flit; f actually pretty good arent they . Yeah, there certainly will be some people in the Rail Industry that are paid fairly handsomely and i think public sympathy laid with the sympathy hasnt laid with the striking rail workers as much as it with the nurses, it has, say, with the nurses, which think is why the which i think is why the government so to strike government was so keen to strike a with the rcn, the royal a deal with the rcn, the Royal College as quickly college of nursing, as quickly as whereas been as it did, whereas its been quite to of let this quite happy to sort of let this issue of the rail strikes rumble on. I think whats concerning is the ultimately this the reports that ultimately this could another could last for at least another year. Could last for at least another year. And think there is a year. And i think there is a degree to which ministers fear that unions of trying that unions are sort of trying to their feet to fire, to hold their feet to the fire, cause as disruption as cause as much disruption as possible without the problem cause as much disruption as possitsolvediout the problem cause as much disruption as possitsolved int the problem cause as much disruption as possitsolved in thee problem cause as much disruption as possitsolved in the run blem cause as much disruption as possitsolved in the run bl to being solved in the run up to the next election. My concern is it ooatt the next election. My concern is it ooatt te the next election. My concern is it could be the the next election. My concern is it could be the railway nix. My concern is it could be the railway drivers, it could be the railway drivers, tt ooatt it could be the railway drivers, tt ooatt te it could be the railway drivers, it could be the it could be the railway drivers, it could be the railway drivers, it could be the Railway Staff tnete to it could be the Railway Staff. There to suffer there who are going to suffer tne there who are going to suffer the consequences of an ongoing etnte strike because people say, do you strike because people say, do yontnat, strike because people say, do youwhat,dont. Strike because people say, do you what, dont need strike because people say, do youwhat,dont need a you know what, you dont need a tnten you know what, you dont need a tnven te you know what, you dont need a tnven tie an you know what, you dont need a driver. We can do you know what, you dont need a driver. We can do it you know what, you dont need a driver. We can do it in complete automaton. Driver. We can do it in complete automationshould driver. We can do it in complete. Automation. Shouldup automation. Why should we put up nttn automation. Why should we put up wit att automation. Why should we put up wit at the . Automation. Why should we put up with all this . And automation. Why should we put up with all this . And thats just my concern. One with all this . And thats just my concern. One other thing i tttnt my concern. One other thing i tttnt knot my concern. One other thing i didnt know whether do my didnt know whether to do my story didnt know whether to do my storyvine didnt know whether to do my story vince, because story on dale vince, because nee story on dale vince, because neenattnt story on dale vince, because. Hesmakingheadlines hes been making the headlines this week, hes been making the headlines this week, hasnt hes been making the headlines this week, hasnt this is this week, hasnt he. 7 this is the this week, hasnt he. 7 this is themillionaire this week, hasnt he . This is the millionaire who set up the multi millionaire who set up the multi millionaire who set up theecotricity the multi millionaire who set up theecotricity , the multi millionaire who set up theecotricity , but the multi millionaire who set up the ecotricity , but is the company ecotricity, but is also the company ecotricity, but is also funding the company ecotricity, but is also funding just the company ecotricity, but is also funding Just Stop Oil and hes also funding Just Stop Oil and hes funding also funding Just Stop Oil and hes funding the also funding Just Stop Oil and hes funding the labour party. Hes funding the labour party. And hes funding the labour party. And people hes funding the labour party. And people ee hes funding the labour party. And people are saying is this right and people are saying is this right thee and people are saying is this right that the and people are saying is this right that the labour party shoute right that the labour party should be right that the labour party should be funded by, you know, the should be funded by, you know, ehe sene should be funded by, you know, the guy should be funded by, you know, the same guy whos doing just step the same guy whos doing just step 0th the same guy whos doing Just Stop Oil, particularly when keir stetmet stop oil, particularly when keir stetmet hee stop oil, particularly when keir starmer has come stop oil, particularly when keir starmer has come out with the hettey starmer has come out with the pettey ee starmer has come out with the same policy as just stop no same policy as Just Stop Oil . No digging same policy as Just Stop Oil . No more digging drilling in the more digging and drilling in the teeth more digging and drilling in the teeth seet more digging and drilling in the teeth seat more digging and drilling in the north sea . Yeah, more digging and drilling in the north sea . in . Shift; more digging and drilling in the north sea . ctiiltiil mt; more digging and drilling in the north sea . tie stifti; cfti; north sea . Yeah, there are lots of conservatives trying to make great hay of this and sort of trying to link the donations to the keir starmer the policy that keir starmer announced this week, announced earlier this week, which more new sort which is about no more new sort of licences for oil and gas in the north sea. Obviously it the north sea. Obviously it creates some uncomfortable questions for him, but he hes been sort of long supportive of green policies and energy. So dont you think its not a great departure from predation . It wasnt, but stop the media hermene wasnt, but stop the media normally, does wasnt, but stop the media normally, does it when somebody when normally, does it when somebody when somebody normally, does it when somebody when somebody expresses an ehthteh when somebody expresses an ehthteh thet when somebody expresses an opinion that theyve held all thet opinion that theyve held all theh the opinion that theyve held all their life and opinion that theyve held all their life and they get funding trem their life and they get funding from somebody, their life and they get funding from somebody, it doesnt stop. Newspapers from somebody, it doesnt stop. Newspapersthe from somebody, it doesnt stop. Newspapersthe guardian. Newspapers like the guardian from stepping in and saying, well, hold on minute, at well, hold on a minute, look at this. But hang on. Its1. 4 million. This. But hang on. Its 1. 4 million. Hes given this. But hang on. Its1. 4 million. Hes given to the labour party and hes like the biggest supporter of Just Stop Oil. Mean, would say that oil. I mean, i would say that was an undue influence on the labor party, pushing them into what are eco zealots who are trying to. The way i look at the trying to. The way i look at the te trying to. The way i look at this is imagine trying to. The way i look at this is imagine this. Q g the way i look at this is imagine this was the ether this is imagine this was the other way this is imagine this was the other way round this is imagine this was the other way round and it was the eeheehettve other way round and it was the conservative gives other way round and it was the conservative gives the labour party, conservative gives the labour party, including conservative gives the labour party, including the guardian, wette party, including the guardian, weutt he party, including the guardian, would be absolutely apoplectic. Ant would be absolutely apoplectic. Hht the would be absolutely apoplectic. Hht the hetht would be absolutely apoplectic. And the point is would be absolutely apoplectic. And the point is this when we teth and the point is this when we tett eheut and the point is this when we talk about party and the point is this when we talk about party finance, we theate talk about party finance, we etweye hte talk about party finance, we etweye htg tehl always talk about big tory tente always talk about big tory donors and always talk about big tory donors and the always talk about big tory donors and the influence they have. Donors and the influence they have. Hut donors and the influence they have. But actually its a labour party have. But actually its a labour petty whe have. But actually its a labour petty who hete have. But actually its a labour party who have few but huge dom party who have few but huge tonnes the party who have few but huge donors, the unions and now this thttvttuet individual who have real thttuehee individual who have real influence over individual who have real influence over policy. Were influence over policy. And were eeethe influence over policy. And were eeehelttve influence over policy. And were seeingllive today influence over policy. And were seeing live today. I ll influence over policy. And were seeing live today. I a f seeing it live today. Itll come tect seeing it live today. Itll come tech ent seeing it live today. Itll come back and bite them though wont it . This sort of it . I mean, this sort of convergence here stop convergence here of Just Stop Oil and the labour party naive of keir starmer, dont you think . Yeah a lot of people have felt alienated by the tactics of protesters like Just Stop Oil. So labour is probably not tehthty so labour is probably noti terribly being terribly comfortable being tettet terribly comfortable being talked samei talked about in the same sentencebut. Talked about in the same sentence but the talked about in the same sentencebut the group sentence as them. But the group te sentence as them. But the group to he sentence as them. But the group seems to be fairly sentence as them. But the group seems to be fairly happy with the hththtth seems to be fairly happy with the publicity. Think they were the publicity. I think they were saying the publicity. I think they were savinggoing the publicity. I think they were. Sayinggoinglmatch, saying they were going to match, youtenettehe saying they were going to match, youdonations that you know, donations that were hete you know, donations that were mate to you know, donations that were mate to the you know, donations that were made to the within made to the group within a eetteth made to the group within a certain time made to the group within a certain timeso made to the group within a certain time so they were certain time frame. So they were entethe certain time frame. So they were enjoyingpublicity certain time frame. So they were enjoying publicity it enjoying the publicity of it. It was fundraising was fundraising for them essentially. Was fundraising for them i essentially. Finally, essentially. And just finally, page essentially. And just finally, page p, essentially. And just finally, page at, th essentially. And just finally, page at, th the essentially. And just finally, page 17, in the sun today, peremp page 17, in the sun today, Jeremy Clarksons column im tattthg Jeremy Clarksons column im tattthgaht Jeremy Clarksons column im talking and obviously talking about, and obviously its talking about, and obviously tte ethe talking about, and obviously tte ta talking about, and obviously its come to greater prominence wtth its come to greater prominence wtth the its come to greater prominence with the phillip its come to greater prominence with the Phillip Schofield tts with the Phillip Schofield issue. Its about with the Phillip Schofield issue. I its 9 with the Phillip Schofield issue. Its about the banning of office affairs. Hes saying that office affairs. Hes saying that Many Companies have banned workplace relationships and those that do allow a bit of water cooler love will often sendin water cooler love will often send in the Hr Department to throw water all over you if you try anything. And he points out that barack and Michelle Obama met at work. So did bill and melinda gates. Brad pitt and angeuna melinda gates. Brad pitt and angelina , esther mcvey and angelina jolie, esther mcvey and philip depher know that in his i was about to say that in his list. But but we did, too. I mean, surely i mean, thats where people meet these people. Have you ever have you ever met ahyhath have you ever have you ever met ahyhety, tatet have you ever have you ever met anybody, dated anybody that yeae anybody, dated anybody that youve worked anybody, dated anybody that youve worked with . I met my pathet youve worked with . I met my partner th youve worked with . I met my partner in the newsroom that we both worked in. So, you know, i that both worked in. So, you know, i that tt both worked in. So, you know, i think it should both worked in. So, you know, i think it should be so, you know, i think it should be allowed to them. Think it should be allowed to them. So think it should be allowed to bloom. So long think it should be allowed to bloom. So long as you can behave pteteeetehatty bloom. So long as you can behave professionally and bloom. So long as you can behave professionally and most professionally and in most thpattaht professionally and in mosti important most important thing, most most peapte patthetl important thing, most mosti People Partner at people meet their partner at watt people meet their partner at that. People meet their partner at that. Sa people meet their partner at work. So imagine people meet their partner at work. 3g work. So imagine this was wholesale. Theyd have a significant effect on the makeup of society. The only of british society. The only thing i of british society. The only ththg t ahea of british society. The only thing i also iwould of british society. The only. 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Persistence pays off , as everybody always says, off, as everybody always says, that shes a very lucky lady. Oh, they always says, i dont thaw. Oh, they always says, i dont know. Aubrey, oh, they always says, i dont know. Aubrey, do oh, they always says, i dont know. Jtit oh, they always says, i dont know. Aubrey, do you think that. Yes, absolutely. I have know. Yes, absolutely. I have to say. Yes, absolutely. I have to say that. Yes, absolutely. I have to say that t. Yes, absolutely. I have to say that t ththt. Yes, absolutely. I have to say that i think. Sean, yes, absolutely. I have to say that i think. T tit yes, absolutely. I have to say that i think. T tit yes, absolutely. I have to say that i think. T tit that i think. Sean, do you think that i think. Sean, do you think that i think phil has done very, very, very well and he should be aware of that. Aubrey that was the anew aware of that. Aubrey that was the answer, right . iii aubrey that was the answer, right . Yeah. Thank you the answer, right . Yeah. Thank you hath the answer, right . Yeah. Thank you bothmuch the answer, right . Yeah. Thank you both much indeed for you both very much indeed for hethg you both very much indeed for hethgae you both very much indeed for hethgae thte you both very much indeed for being us this morning. Being with us this morning. Cowh being with us this morning. Covidiloads. Being with us this morning. Covidiloads. Still being with us this morning. Tijtijjt j still to come being with us this morning. Co. J still to come on covid up loads. Still to come on satattay covid up loads. Still to come on saturday morning covid up loads. Still to come on saturday morning with tijtijjt j c. still to come on saturday morning with esther and thth saturday morning with esther and hhtt eeetet phil, our millennials, secret eapttattete phil, our millennials, secret capitalists. Prime capitalists. And what can prime ttthtetet wthi minister rishi sunak do to win them minister rishi sunak do to win them hht minister rishi sunak do to win them hht te minister rishi sunak do to win themand is it minister rishi sunak do to win them and is it true that them over . And is it true that mttttam them over . And is it true that mttttam te them over . And is it true that william is not them over . And is it true that william is not as them over . And is it true that william is not as popular as his tat william is not as popular as his tat ae william is not as popular as his tat as the william is not as popular as his dad as the Prince William is not as popular as his dad as the prince of wales . What dad as the prince of wales . What tees dad as the prince of wales . What does he dad as the prince of wales . What does he need dad as the prince of wales . What does he need to dad as the prince of wales . What does he need to do to win the public over . And harry and meghan might have promised to stay schtum, but are they capable of doing that . Youll capable of doing that . Youll find out after im keeping you company right through until 7 00 this evening. Gb news is the peoples. Through until 7 00 this evening. Gb news is the peoples. Channel gb news is the peoples. Channel welcome back to saturday cit \ welcome back to saturday morning with welcome back to saturday morning wtth tether welcome back to saturday morning with esther and welcome back to saturday morning with esther and phil. Its 1125. Tate with esther and phil. Its 1125. Tote at with esther and phil. Its 1125. Tote at mews with esther and phil. Its 1125. Lots of news coming in, pattteatatty lots of news coming in, particularly about the debate we had particularly about the debate we hat eatttet particularly about the debate we had earlier with particularly about the debate we had earlier with richard tice amt had earlier with richard tice amtmiter had earlier with richard tice and miller about civil and gina miller about Civil Servants and gina miller about Civil Servants implementing or not tmptemehtmg servants implementing or not implementing government policy. Implementing government policy. Yeah. Implementing government policy. Veah. Tam implementing government policy. Veah. Tam says implementing government policy. Yeah, tom says quite implementing government policy. Yeah, tom says quite plainly, if they refuse to deliver Government Policies , then they Government Policies, then they should be warned. Discipline and if they persist to refuse to undertake their job, despite list, john says if the Civil Servants union can decide what policies they will implement and which they wont bother with, why bother having elections and parliament at all . Lets just let the pieces parliament at all . Lets just let the pieces run parliament at all . Lets just let the pieces run the lifl 7 lets just let the pieces run the country. Amt let the pieces run the country. Amt kenneth let the pieces run the country. And kenneth says, let the pieces run the country. And kenneth says, ill let the pieces run the country. And kenneth says, ill sack them all and employ private administer traitors. Theyre employed to carry out the democratic elected ministers instructions with political instructions with no political allegiances allowed. Well, that is really the thrust of all the views i was trying to find that debate with different opinions. I was i was struggling to find sa i was i was struggling to find one. So thats i was i was struggling to find one. So thats why i was i was struggling to find one. L one. So thats why we havent read one with a different opinion. Now, a report released the opinion. Now, a report released thetram opinion. Now, a report released theham the opinion. Now, a report released thisfrom the think now, a report released this from the think tank this week from the think tank ohwatt this week from the think tank onwardfound this week from the think tank onward found that prime onward has found that prime ttthtetet onward has found that Prime Minister rishi onward has found that Prime Minister rishi sunak is more pepatat wtthl popular than his party with millennial popular than his party with millennial, popular than his party with millennial, as popular than his party with millennial , as its millennial voters, as its also tama millennial voters, as its also heat that millennial voters, as its also found that historically found that while historically teete found that while historically voters likely found that while historically voters likely to. Found that while historically. Voters likely to vote voters grew more likely to vote tam voters grew more likely to vote tamaged, voters grew more likely to vote tamaget, these voters grew more likely to vote tory aged, those between tory as they aged, those between 25 amt tory as they aged, those between 25 amt ho tory as they aged, those between 25 amt ho ee tory as they aged, those between 25 and 40 were not tory as they aged, those between 25 and 40 were not making that ehttt. 25 and 40 were not making that ehttt. Hat 25 and 40 were not making that shift. But what 25 and 40 were not making that shift. But what can 25 and 40 were not making that shift. But what can the 25 and 40 were not making that shift. Titi shift. But what can the Prime Minister do to win over Younger Voters . Well, James Cowling, the hunter voters . Well, James Cowling, the hunter at voters . Well, James Cowling, the founder of next voters . Well, James Cowling, the founder of next gen 7 well, James Cowling, the founder of next gen tories groupe founder of next gen tories gteap, tethe founder of next gen tories gteap, game we founder of next gen tories group, joins us to discuss this. I group, joins us to discuss this. T want group, joins us to discuss this. T want to group, joins us to discuss this. I want to talk group, joins us to discuss this. I want to talk about. So are thew. I want to talk about. So are they ehw. I want to talk about. So are they ehw hw. I want to talk about. So are they shy by capitalists , these they shy by capitalists, these millennials . They shy by capitalists, these millennials . Is they shy by capitalists, these millennials . Is that a fair description . Millennials . Is that a fair description . I millennials . Is that a fair description . Issues that young people care about housing, taxation , the about housing, taxation, the cost of living and families, some core visions of some of these core visions of becoming conservative, that people have, i think people will come around. They are shy capitalists. What would you stat capitalists. What would you start at capitalists. What would you start at reducing tit . what would you start at reducing the ti . what would you start at reducing the taxation . Heeaaee start at reducing the taxation . Heeaaee t start at reducing the taxation . Because i guess start at reducing the taxation . Because i guess thats what wowte because i guess thats what wate tattthg because i guess thats what youre talking about, reducing the taxattah youre talking about, reducing the taxation. Or youre talking about, reducing the taxation or housing. The taxation on or housing. So i thmt the taxation on or housing. So i thmt vou the taxation on or housing. So i thmt you an the taxation on or housing. So i think you can do the taxation on or housing. So i think you can do lots the taxation on or housing. So i think you can do lots of the taxation on or housing. So i think you can do lots of these things at once. So housing is probably big ones. Probably one of the big ones. Increasing housing supply , increasing housing supply, giving opportunity to giving people the opportunity to get ladder. Supply is get on the ladder. Supply is fundamental because simply we dont have enough housing in that has causes price prices to rocket. But are they the people wha rocket. But are they the people wha waatt rocket. But are they the people wha waatt he i but are they the people who would be prepared to say we meet who would be prepared to say we meet tees who would be prepared to say we need less people who would be prepared to say we need less people coming into the eaahtw need less people coming into the countrywell . Need less people coming into the countrywell . Does need less people coming into the country well . Does that chime country as well . Does that chime wtth country as well . Does that chime wtth thet country as well . Does that chime with theirbecause country as well . Does that chime with their because they with their views . Because they mtght with their views . Because they mtghteawthg with their views . Because they mtghteawthg we with their views . Because they might saying we want might all be saying we want a he might all be saying we want a haee hat might all be saying we want a house, but weve might all be saying we want a house, but weve just done a debate house, but weve just done a debate yaw house, but weve just done a debate, you earlier today debate, you know, earlier today that debate, you know, earlier today pig know, that weve got, you know, tmmtgtahte that weve got, you know, immigrantsfor that weve got, you know, immigrants for in hundred immigrants now for in hundred hatete immigrants now for in hundred hotels. Theyre immigrants now for in hundred hotels. Theyre complaining that theateht hotels. Theyre complaining that theateht htg hotels. Theyre complaining that the arent big enough. So the rooms arent big enough. So are the rooms arent big enough. So thew the rooms arent big enough. So thewta the rooms arent big enough. So thewtaapl are they prepared to stand up amt are they prepared to stand up amtwewe are they prepared to stand up amtwewe gat are they prepared to stand up and. Weve got to are they prepared to stand up and weve got to look after and say, weve got to look after aweeweehat and say, weve got to look after ourselvesno more and say, weve got to look after ourselves no more people ourselves and no more people eamthg ourselves and no more people eamthg thta ourselves and no more people coming into the ourselves and no more people coming into the country . Tmmtgtattah coming into the country . Immigration comes coming into the country . Immigration comes lower the immigration comes lower down the ladden ladder. On millennials priorities. Mean. Priorities. Thats what i mean. And right its and youre right that its a balance. So i think we need to do both of those things once. Do both of those things at once. So people say, lets so some people might say, lets lower immigration and not build more i think more houses. I think you probably need lower probably need to lower immigration more immigration and build more houses get to a houses and then you can get to a point where more supply point where there is more supply for everybody on the taxation point, about the of point, its about the balance of taxation. Billion of tax income, very, heavily on working very, very heavily on working people. Average people. So the young average graduate 20s, graduate in their late 20s, early be on rate of early 30s can be on 50 rate of tax pretty easily. So when were tax pretty easily. So when were talking about future tax cuts, its where should prioritise its where should we prioritise fees and income taxes on working people, those aspirational working is where we would working people is where we would look first when we do have the wiggle room on that. James, the Onward Research gglti tit james, the Onward Research suggested that mtttemtate Onward Research suggested that millennials believe equality millennials believe in equality me very millennials believe in equality me very teeptw millennials believe in equality me very deeply, but they also tawaw me very deeply, but they also tawaw tax me very deeply, but they also favour tax cuts me very deeply, but they also favour tax cuts over redistribution. Ian does that redistribution. Ian does that mate redistribution. Ian does that make sense to redistribution. Ian does that make sense to you . Because to me at thet make sense to you . Because to me at ttet gtamee make sense to you . Because to me at first glance, that make sense to you . Because to me at first glance, that sounds contradictory at first glance, that sounds contradictory to at first glance, that sounds contradictory to me. Chit l contradictory to me. I dont heceeeatttw contradictory to me. I dont necessarily think it is. I think people want a fair capitalist system. Its balancing both a free market, but also a free market that works for everybody. And i think at the moment you get millennials not voting conservative because they say, well, working for me well, its not working for me because building the because were not building the houses want to live in. Houses that i want to live in. And im more heavily taxed than my or money my parents generation or money isnt being spent on that generation. So i think those people do want to see benefits, but we have to deliver for them. Ive always thought the big distorter was so many people going to university and so many people saddled with debt from going to university. And i actually think going to university. And i actually think this going to university. And i actually think this is git t; l. I lat and i actually think this is where the gawemmeht actually think this is where the government now actually think this is where the government now has got to focus its government now has got to focus tte ewe government now has got to focus tte ewe amt government now has got to focus tte ewe amt get government now has got to focus its eye and get rid government now has got to focus its eye and get rid of that or peacet its eye and get rid of that or teaeet ht. Its eye and get rid of that or reduce it. The its eye and get rid of that or reduce it. The number of people go reduce it. The number of people ga th reduce it. The number of people ga th amt reduce it. The number of people go in and reduce reduce it. The number of people go in and reduce you know, these theee go in and reduce you know, these theee taahe go in and reduce you know, these these loans. Thats go in and reduce you know, these these loans. I a . These loans. Thats certainly an issue because , as you know, issue because, as you know, i see, for example , my student see, for example, my student loan goes out every month and thats a essentially an additional income tax. How much is it . Can i additional income tax. How much he tte can t aet additional income tax. How much is it . Can i ask to additional income tax. How much is it . Can i ask to pay additional income tax. How much is it . Can i ask to pay a how much is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Watt. Is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Watt. Ta is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Watt. To you is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Well, do you know is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Well, do you know what . Is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Well, do you know what . I is it . Can i ask to pay a month . Well, do you know what . I dont actually know exactly how much i pay actually know exactly how much i pay month, i know that pay a month, but i know that i dont even pay off the interest. So i now owe more than needs to go. This is the start. This is the go. This is the start. This is the start. Get rid of this. You know, the size of this debt for young people. Just just finally, tamee young people. Just just finally, amee young people. Just just finally, tamee te young people. Just just finally, james, is this young people. Just just finally, james, is this a james, quickly, is this a teatate james, quickly, is this a feature, though, that the conservatives feature, though, that the conservatives been in conservatives have been in atttee conservatives have been in atttee tat conservatives have been in office for 13 conservatives have been in office for 13 years and therefore office for 13 years and therefore this age group have no targetw therefore this age group have no largely taet therefore this age group have no largely taet a therefore this age group have no largely just a conservative government largely just a conservative government and theyre fairly anti establishment. And if anti establishment. And if tahaat anti establishment. And if tahaat hat anti establishment. And if labour had been in office for 13 weae labour had been in office for 13 weae them labour had been in office for 13 years, then perhaps their voting thtehttahe years, then perhaps their voting intentions might years, then perhaps their voting intentions might be completely tttteteht. Intentions might be completely tttteteht. Te intentions might be completely different. Is it . Intentions might be completely different. Is it . \tit intentions might be completely different. Is it . Htit chit l different. Is it . No, i dont think so. I think really the conservative party has got the big issues right. But conservative party has got the big issues right. But in big issues right. But in delivering that strategy , delivering that strategy, younger people have often fallen short. We know we havent built enough homes. Taxation has fallen more heavily on working people. So what we need to do ahead of the next election is start to deliver on some of those things and then those start to deliver on some of those thill; and then those start to deliver on some of those thill; and backthose start to deliver on some of those thill; and back to se start to deliver on some of those thill; and back to us at people will come back to us at the next election. James cowling, thank the next election. James cowling, thank you tixl i ti . James cowling, thank you very much thteet cowling, thank you very much indeed. Joining cowling, thank you very much indeed joining us. Lots more indeed forjoining us. Lots more etttt indeed forjoining us. Lots more etttt ta indeed forjoining us. Lots more etttt ta me indeed forjoining us. Lots more still to come saturday morning wtth still to come saturday morning with including with esther and phil, including theah with esther and phil, including theahcap with esther and phil, including theoncup finall the latest on the fa cup final amt the latest on the fa cup final amthem the latest on the fa cup final andderby. But the latest on the fa cup final and derby. But first is and epsom derby. But first is theheadlines and epsom derby. But first is the headlines with ray. The latest headlines with ray. That. The latest headlines with ray. That. Heree the latest headlines with ray. 11 31. Heres the the latest headlines with ray. 11 31. Heres the latest the latest headlines with ray. s 11 31. Heres the latest from the newsroom and our top story this hour, the Prime Minister rishi sunak has offered his condolence to the families of those killed in India Following a train crash in which 261 people died and 850 were injured. And the death toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. As the army has been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit the site in odisha state. It will 19 people have been arrested over plans to disrupt the epsom derby. Surrey police has announced 11 were arrested in mitcham and byfleet in the early hours of the morning. Another eight were morning. Another eight were arrested after a vehicle was stopped in berg heath just over an hour ago. All were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance and they remain in police custody. It remain in police custody. It comes after animal rising activists threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event to protect the animals. Racing event to protect the animals. Rail racing event to protect the animals. Rail passengers are animals. Rail passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in their dispute over over pay and conditions. The disruption is affecting people planning to attend the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Wembley and the epsom derby. While president Vladimir Zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter offensive against russia. Speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory , but he doesnt know territory, but he doesnt know how long that could take. Kyiv previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the fight back could begin. And the fight back could begin. And you get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news. Com. Now lets get straight back to esther and phil. Now , as you heard there, what. Now, as you heard there, what gathg. Now, as you heard there, what gamg ah. Now, as you heard there, what gamg am at. Now, as you heard there, what was going on at the now, as you heard there, what was going on at the epsom derby 7 was going on at the epsom derby ethere was going on at the epsom derby ethete hae was going on at the epsom derby . There has been was going on at the epsom derby . There has been arrests. So . There has been arrests. So gamg . There has been arrests. So gamg ta . There has been arrests. So were going to bring you this ae tt were going to bring you this news as it unfolds. Weve got tepattet news as it unfolds. Weve got our reporter there, paul hawken. So, our reporter there, paul hawken. Sa, p. P, our reporter there, paul hawken. Sa, taat, teth our reporter there, paul hawken. So, paul, tell us our reporter there, paul hawken. So, paul, tell us whats happening so, paul, tell us whats happening right now. So. Okay it happening right now. So. Okay it taate happening right now. So. 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But now were just going that story. But now were just gamg ta that story. But now were just gamg ta tate that story. But now were just gamg ta take a that story. But now were just going to take a quick join us here on gb news or the teaptee join us here on gb news or the peoples channel. Join us here on gb news or the peoples channel. I peoples channel. Britains news. Channel welcome peoples channel. Britains news. Channel welcome back peoples channel. I welcome back to. Channel welcome back to satattaw. Channel welcome back to saturday morning welcome back to saturday morning with esther and thtt. Saturday morning with esther and thtt. Tte saturday morning with esther and thtt. Tte 1137. Saturday morning with esther and phil. Its1137. We saturday morning with esther and phil. Its 1137. We were saturday morning with esther and phil. L 15 . Kathi; aitiiti; t; phil. Its 1137. We were hearing in the news about the arrest made at the epsom derby. Weve made at the epsom derby. Weve been threatened protests, some arrests have been made. And so were going to join paul hawkins, whos our reporter at epsom racecourse, and he can tell us the very latest. So, tell us the very latest. So, paul tell us the very latest. So, paul, the latest from surrey police, 19 people have been arrested , 19 people arrested arrested, 19 people arrested philippine connection with a planned criminal disruption in at the festival, 11 people arrested at addresses in mitcham and byfleet in the early hours. A further eight people arrested a further eight people arrested attet a further eight people arrested attet a a further eight people arrested after a vehicle a further eight people arrested after a vehicle was stopped not far after a vehicle was stopped not tat ham after a vehicle was stopped not tat ham hete after a vehicle was stopped not far from here at after a vehicle was stopped not far from here at around 1020 the far from here at around 1020 thte mamhg far from here at around 1020 this morning, we far from here at around 1020 this morning, we can speak to taatea this morning, we can speak to louisa hill wood, this morning, we can speak to louisa hill wood, who is from the louisa hill wood, who is from the ahtmat louisa hill wood, who is from the Animal Rights louisa hill wood, who is from the Animal Rights group animal ttethg the Animal Rights group animal ttethg. The Animal Rights group animal ttemg. Wete the Animal Rights group animal rising. Were joined, by the rising. Were joined, by the way, rising. Were joined, by the waw. At rising. Were joined, by the waw. At the rising. Were joined, by the way, at the protest area. This is way, at the protest area. This he th way, at the protest area. This he th ham way, at the protest area. This is in front of way, at the protest area. This is in front of the way, at the protest area. This is in front of the racecourse. Taatea is in front of the racecourse. Louisa thanks is in front of the racecourse. Louisa thanks for is in front of the racecourse. Louisa thanks for speaking to us. Louisa thanks for speaking to thet louisa thanks for speaking to us. Firstall, louisa thanks for speaking to us. First all, whats your us. First of all, whats your teaettah us. First of all, whats your teaettah ta us. First of all, whats your reaction to these us. First of all, whats your reaction to these arrests this mamthge reaction to these arrests this mamthge reaction to these arrests this morning . Thank reaction to these arrests this morning . I morning . Thank you so much for having i mean, as long as we having me. I mean, as long as we have a industry causes harm have a industry that causes harm to know, i love to animals, you know, i love animals. As animals. Im sure you do as well. There will be people who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling will be people who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling to ll be people who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling to step people who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling to step inzople who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling to step in andt who animals. Im sure you do as welwilling to step in and stop are willing to step in and stop that harm from happening. You know, i would break the window of to save a dog if they of a car to save a dog if they were way. Yeah, its were in harms way. Yeah, its no different yeah. And one no different here. Yeah. And one would police no different here. Yeah. And one wouldpolice were would assume police were using the legislation, would assume police were using the legislation, public the legislation, the public arter the legislation, the public order thesel order act, to make these arrests. They order act, to make these arrests. They can only do that if arrests. They can only do that tttaaht arrests. They can only do that if found equipment them if they found equipment on them that wae if they found equipment on them that wae gathg if they found equipment on them that was going to. That they believe was going to be that they believe was going to he met that they believe was going to he aeet ta that they believe was going to he aeet ta tw that they believe was going to be used to try and attach themselves be used to try and attach themselves to be used to try and attach themselves to something the themselves to something on the peapte course. Were those people eamwmg course. Were those people eamwmg that course. Were those people carrying that equipment . Can you can carrying that equipment . Can you aah thel can you confirm that about the pathe can you confirm that about the pahtte thate can you confirm that about the public thats notl public order bill . Thats not taae. Public order bill . Thats not true. The police can arrest people according that bill, people according to that bill, with all. All with no evidence at all. All they to say is that they they have to say is that they have intelligence. Yeah. Yeah. And tell a bit and just tell us a little bit more why youre here. I more about why youre here. I mean, youve spoken to the jockey mean, youve spoken to the jockey ctah mean, youve spoken to the jockey club themselves and thewwe jockey club themselves and theyve allowed jockey club themselves and theyve allowed you to theyve theyve allowed you to have theyve theyve allowed you to have outside. Theyve theyve allowed you toi have outside. There have this area outside. So there is some discourse is some discourse between waateetwee is some discourse between yourselves club. Yourselves and the jockey club. Amt yourselves and the jockey club. Amt thew yourselves and the jockey club. And they understand that and they do understand that you have and they do understand that you hawelhght and they do understand that you have right protest. Cj� have a right to protest. Of coarsewe have a right to protest. Of course. We actually. Course. Yeah. We actually approached jockey club to approached the jockey club to start dialogue about what we wanted we wanted here today because we wanted here today because we want animals. We want to protect the animals. We believe that the jockey club should in and making should be stepping in and making sure happens. I mean, sure that happens. I mean, the jockey actually own jockey club, they actually own the race where we the grand National Race where we saw horses this year. Saw three horses die this year. They and run epsom they also own and run epsom racecourse. Need do racecourse. They need to do better. Yeah, racecourse. They need to do better. Yeah, well, they say the better. Yeah, well, they say the tatatttw better. Yeah, well, they say the tatatttw tate better. Yeah, well, they say the fatality rate of better. Yeah, well, they say the fatality rate of horses yeah, well, they say the fatality rate of horses is theretthtw incredibly small. They put mttttahe incredibly small. They put millions pounds in the millions of pounds in the thtaettw millions of pounds in the industry into millions of pounds in the industry into the Holistic Care of industry into the Holistic Care at he industry into the Holistic Care of horses throughout their ehtte of horses throughout their entehat of horses throughout their entirenot just of horses throughout their entire not just when entire life, not just when thewte entire life, not just when thewte thatl entire life, not just when theyre that when entire life, not just when theyre that when it theyre racing and that when it ta theyre racing and that when it ta the theyre racing and that when it comes to the use theyre racing and that when it comes to the use of the whip, theree comes to the use of the whip, theree a comes to the use of the whip, theres a theres comes to the use of the whip, theres a theres restriction theres a theres a restriction on theres a theres a restriction ah at theres a theres a restriction ah at ttmee theres a theres a restriction on of times the| on the number of times the taetew on the number of times the taetew ah on the number of times the taetew ae on the number of times the jockey can use it. If they exeeet jockey can use it. If they exceed that jockey can use it. If they exceed that number, then they eat exceed that number, then they ehtlhethg exceed that number, then they end being suspended. There is end up being suspended. There is a ttme end up being suspended. There is a ttme amt end up being suspended. There is| a time and effort a huge amount of time and effort and a huge amount of time and effort amt eate a huge amount of time and effort amt hae a huge amount of time and effort and care has gone a huge amount of time and effort and care has gone into looking attem and care has gone into looking attettat and care has gone into looking afterlot more and care has gone into looking after lot more within and care has gone into looking afteindustry. Lot more within and care has gone into looking afteindustry. That more within and care has gone into looking afteindustry. That must within and care has gone into looking afteindustry. That must be hin the industry. That must be eameththg the industry. That must be something welcome. Something you welcome. Okay. What thtee something you welcome. Okay. What three horsesl something you welcome. Okay. Wha did three horses something you welcome. Okay. Wha did die three horses something you welcome. Okay. Wha did die at three horses something you welcome. Okay. Wha did die at the hree horses something you welcome. Okay. Wha did die at the grand orses who did die at the grand national . What about hill 16 . And they would say one is too mahw and they would say one is too mahw at and they would say one is too many of themselves. Yeah. And thew ethe many of themselves. Yeah. And thew ethwelgetl they strive. They strive to get that they strive. They strive to get thatta they strive. They strive to get thattahht they strive. They strive to get thattoand but. They strive. They strive to get. Thattoand but you that down to zero. And but you tamt that down to zero. And but you tamtta that down to zero. And but you tamtta etap that down to zero. And but you dontto stop. The that down to zero. And but you dont to stop. The whole dont need to stop. The whole thtaettw dont need to stop. The whole thtaettw te dont need to stop. The whole industry is what dont need to stop. The whole industry is what they were eawmg. Industry is what they were eawmg. The industry is what they were. Saying. Theway industry is what they were saying. Theway to saying. Well, the only way to get zero is to stop the get it to zero is to stop the horse racing industry. I mean, horses a horse dies every horses dying, a horse dies every other racing in the other day in horse racing in the uk. The month of may, 20 uk. In the month of may, 20 horses and its racing horses died and its flat racing season, say is the season, which they say is the safest. I mean, horses dying is not problem. As you not the only problem. As you say, they are whipped up to seven times in one race. They have to wear a bit in their mouth, bit, which is mouth, a metal bit, which is used control their whole body used to control their whole body through head. Its through their head. Its extremely these extremely painful for these horses every that horses and for every horse that makes be winner, there makes it to be a winner, there are who didnt. And are thousands who didnt. And what horses . What happens to those horses . Okay okay, okay. And just very gatettw okay okay, okay. And just very gatettwwaa okay okay, okay. And just veryj quickly,youanswer quickly, louisa, you can answer the quickly, louisa, you can answer thte waa quickly, louisa, you can answer thte waa gathg quickly, louisa, you can answer thte waa gamg tal quickly, louisa, you can answer this you going to be this or not. Are you going to be ttetaptthg this or not. Are you going to be ttetaptmg the this or not. Are you going to be disrupting the race this or not. Are you going to be disrupting the race this afternoon . Disrupting the race this. Afternoon . To disrupting the race this afternoon . To wait afternoon . Well have to wait amt afternoon . Well have to wait amttaatea afternoon . Well have to wait and louisa, thank you for and see. Louisa, thank you for epeatthg and see. Louisa, thank you for epeatmg ta and see. Louisa, thank you for epeatmg tant and see. Louisa, thank you for speaking to i really speaking to us. I really appteetate speaking to us. I really appreciate time. Speaking to us. I really appreciate. Timelknow appreciate your time. I know waawe appreciate your time. I know waawe gat appreciate your time. I know waawe gat a appreciate your time. I know youve got a speech to make, so ill youve got a speech to make, so ttt tet youve got a speech to make, so ttt tet waa youve got a speech to make, so ttt tet waa get youve got a speech to make, so ill let you get back youve got a speech to make, so ill let you get back to it. Taatea ill let you get back to it. Louisawere ill let you get back to it. Louisa. Were from louisa hill were there from hhtmat louisa hill were there from hhtmatae louisa hill were there from animalas you. Louisa hill were there from l animalas you can animal rising. So as you can see animal rising. So as you can taah animal rising. So as you can see, look, this animal rising. So as you can see, look, this is animal rising. So as you can see, look, this is the area out here see, look, this is the area out here where see, look, this is the area out here where theyre demonstrating whtte here where theyre demonstrating whttegaee here where theyre demonstrating whttegaee ah here where theyre demonstrating while goes on, the while the race goes on, the pew while the race goes on, the hethw a while the race goes on, thei derby a little while the race goes on, the derby a little bit derby gets underway a little bit eamet derby gets underway a little bit eaterthew derby gets underway a little bit earlierthey are earlier at130. They are anticipating anticipating disruption in there. Anticipating disruption in thereate anticipating disruption in there,are to there, but there are plans to prevent there, but there are plans to prevent disruption there, but there are plans to preventdisruptionalso prevent that disruption and also to prevent that disruption and also ta teat prevent that disruption and also ta teat wtth prevent that disruption and also to deal with any prevent that disruption and also to deal with any disruption that happene to deal with any disruption that happeheleteat to deal with any disruption that happens clear away happens to clear it away quickly so happens to clear it away quickly ea get happens to clear it away quickly ea get ahtemaw. I so the race can get underway. Mat. So the race can get underway. Taat. Thank so the race can get underway. Paul, thank you so the race can get underway. Paul, thank you very so the race can get underway. Paul, thank you very much so the race can get underway. Paul, thank you very much indeed for bringing that. The for bringing us that. The derbys due off at 130 an earlier this afternoon, so derbys due off at 130 an eewill this afternoon, so derbys due off at 130 an eewill im� 1is afternoon, so derbys due off at 130 an eewill im sure iternoon, so derbys due off at 130 an eewill im sure youll n, so derbys due off at 130 an eewill im sure youll be ;o it will be im sure youll be bringing us latest bringing us the latest throughout the on gb news. I throughout the day on gb news. I mean, its quite interesting, isnt mean , horses are isnt it . The i mean, horses are the best racehorses are the best looked after animals in the world. Theres absolutely no question about that. And i suspect if animal rising had their way, theyre on about horses dying. What would happen to racehorses i mean to all the racehorses is i mean if theres no horse racing, whats going to happen to them . I theyd dying. I suspect theyd all be dying. So entirely sure what so im not entirely sure what the campaigning for. And interestingly mean, interestingly enough, i mean, im but i made im not being funny, but i made a complaint to the rspca about the state of a horse at a gypsy encampment in my constituency a while ago. Didnt see animal while ago. Didnt see animal rising there to be perfectly honest. Theyre faffing about at the with pampered the epsom derby with pampered racehorses that cost fortune. Racehorses that cost a fortune. But actual real abuse of animals and horses. Not nowhere to be seen, to be perfectly honest. Well, thats im very cynical about them. Thats when we put about them. Thats when we put out about them. Thats when we put aat aa about them. Thats when we put aat patt about them. Thats when we put out our poll earlier about them. Thats when we put out our poll earlier on thats when we put out our poll earlier on asking ahtmat out our poll earlier on asking animal activists out our poll earlier on asking animal activists planning to tempt animal activists planning to disrupt todays animal activists planning to disrupt todays events at epsom hethw disrupt todays events at epsom hethw. Disrupt todays events at epsom hethw. Ha disrupt todays events at epsom pethw. Pa waa disrupt todays events at epsom derby. Do you think disrupt todays events at epsom derby. Do you think these derby. Do you think these ptateete derby. Do you think these protests really derby. Do you think these protests really have the animals thteteete protests really have the animals thteteete th protests really have the animals interests in mind protests really have the animals interests in mind or are they tghataht interests in mind or are they ignorant about interests in mind or are they ignorant about horse racing and just ignorant about horse racing and taet attehttah ignorant about horse racing and just attention seeking . And you thaw just attention seeking . And you thaw whate just attention seeking . And you know what . Of just attention seeking . And you know what . Of all just attention seeking . And you know what . Of all of the people wha know what . Of all of the people wha watet know what . Of all of the people who voted 86 know what . Of all of the people who voted 86 said theyre just attehttah who voted 86 said theyre just attention seeking who voted 86 said theyre just attention seeking. Who voted 86 said theyre just attention seeking. They dont attention seeking. They dont thaw attention seeking. They dont thaw what attention seeking. They dont know what goes attention seeking. They dont know what goes on in the world of know what goes on in the world at taethg know what goes on in the world at taethg. Know what goes on in the world at taethg. T know what goes on in the world of racing. Ithink know what goes on in the world of racing. Chit l of racing. I think they dont know about horses either because lots of horses die every week in this country just by running around a field and they get themselves injured and caught in things all rest it. Things and all the rest of it. So happens. Its not on a so that happens. Its not on a racing track thats on racing track thats just on a field as they run around, run around in a field, lots of horses every and you need horses die every and you need both sides of the argument there about going on. Now. About whats going on. Now. Well news will about whats going on. Now. Well news will be i well also gb news will be hhhgmg well also gb news will be hhhgmgthe well also gb news will be bringing the latest as as bringing you the latest as as that bringing you the latest as as that happehe. Bringing you the latest as as that happens. Paul hawkins is there. That happens. Paul hawkins is there. Theres that happens. Paul hawkins is there. Theres more arrests. There. So theres more arrests. If there. So theres more arrests. Tttaee there. So theres more arrests. Tttaee happeh there. So theres more arrests. If does happen because if anything does happen because the ptateetet if anything does happen because the protester there if anything does happen because the protester there wasnt aetaattw the protester there wasnt aetaattweaw the protester there wasnt actually say whether actually going to say whether thew actually going to say whether thew wee actually going to say whether thew gamg actually going to say whether they were going do anything they were going to do anything at eaahte they were going to do anything at eaahte ae they were going to do anything atsounds as if they were going to do anything atsounds as if it. At 130, but it sounds as if it at130, but it sounds as if it amt at130, but it sounds as if it amt tt at 130, but it sounds as if it was. And if. Is, at 130, but it sounds as if it was. And if is, paul hawkins was. And if it is, paul hawkins wttt was. And if it is, paul hawkins wttt he was. And if it is, paul hawkins will be covering was. And if it is, paul hawkins will be covering it. Now this week. Will be covering it. Now this weeh a will be covering it. Now this week, a biographer , huw week, a royal biographer, huw thamae week, a royal biographer, huw thomas, suggested thomas, has suggested that whee eame thomas, has suggested that prince some catching Prince William has some catching up Prince William has some catching uitas Prince William has some catching apae whee Prince William has some catching apae whee at Prince William has some catching up as prince of wales and up to do as prince of wales and came up to do as prince of wales and eaatt he up to do as prince of wales and could be about up to do as prince of wales and could be about to up to do as prince of wales and could be about to launch a super charge could be about to launch a super ehatge ta could be about to launch a super ehatge ta waa could be about to launch a super charge to woo the could be about to launch a super charge to woo the welsh. This comes as sources charge to woo the welsh. This comes as sources close to his heather comes as sources close to his twathet aht comes as sources close to his brother and sister comes as sources close to his brother and sister in law have etatmet brother and sister in law have claimed that brother and sister in law have claimed that theyre now going to claimed that theyre now going ta etap claimed that theyre now going ta etap tattmg claimed that theyre now going to stop talking about the royal tamttw to stop talking about the royal family because to stop talking about the royal family because there is nothing left family because there is nothing tetwett family because there is nothing leftwell, were family because there is nothing leftwell, were joinedl left to say. Well, were joined now royal commentator judith now by royal commentator judith da silva. Now tell us, has wttttam da silva. Now tell us, has wttttam gat da silva. Now tell us, has william got a da silva. Now tell us, has william got a lot ct . Now tell us, has william got a lot to do . And if william got a lot to do . And if he te william got a lot to do . And if he he whate william got a lot to do . And if he is, whats what william got a lot to do . And if he is, whats what has he got to do he is, whats what has he got to ta ta he is, whats what has he got to ta ta waa he is, whats what has he got to ta ta the he is, whats what has he got to do to woo the welsh . I think tte do to woo the welsh . I think he that do to woo the welsh . I think he that at do to woo the welsh . I think its kind of its do to woo the welsh . I think its kind of its a do to woo the welsh . I think its kind of its a bit unfair to measure the its kind of its a bit unfair to measure the start of the mega to measure the start of the mega hw to measure the start of the mega hw the to measure the start of the reign by the end of another over 60 weare reign by the end of another over 60 weate th reign by the end of another over ea weate th the reign by the end of another over 60 years in the position. t reign by the end of another over 60 years in the position. t 60 years in the position. And he hat 60 years in the position. And he hat ah 60 years in the position. And he had an Investiture Ceremony in 1969. He spent his period at Aberystwyth University learning about welsh culture and the language. So he was operating at language. So he was operating at more of an advantage and the transition was one that had a lot of ceremony to it. William is kind of since september when Queen Elizabeth passed away and he first became the prince of wales. Hes been theres a lot wales. Hes been theres a lot thats been going on in camp royal. And so its kind of a disadvantage has had with taking on this new position while the actual family itself was in so much conflict and publicly so and then there was the january of complete heartache where harry had the Netflix Series and the his biography. So theres the his biography. So theres been a lot to contend with. But what i say is that measuring william as the prince of wales is something that can only be done over time. And i do believe that when they talk about wooing the welsh spending time there concerning their concerning yourself with their concerns and making provisions, using your platform of using your your platform of position and influence to give them the visibility and the support that they need, which is something that king charles did very over his 60 year plus very well over his 60 year plus reign as prince of wales. And of course, being they will do, he will do the same. So give him will do the same. So give him time. Now if charles is in romania on a private trip at the moment, which means he will miss harry when he comes back to the country. But i think hes pteaeahttw ti. Titl. But i think hes pleasantly pleased that theyre going pleasantly pleased that theyre gamg ta pleasantly pleased that theyre gamg ta etaw pleasantly pleased that theyre gamg ta etaw. Pleasantly pleased that theyre going to stay. Um, harry and weghah going to stay. Um, harry and weghah. Going to stay. Um, harry and weghah. Ta going to stay. Um, harry and meghan , do you going to stay. Um, harry and meghan , do you think thats the meghan, do you think thats the aee meghan, do you think thats the amt meghan, do you think thats the amt ta meghan, do you think thats the case . And do you meghan, do you think thats the case . And do you think charles hae case . And do you think charles hae teem case . And do you think charles has been astute case . And do you think charles has been astute their being out the eaahttw has been astute their being out the country when has been astute their being out the country when harrys coming in the country when harrys coming ta ta the country when harrys coming ta ta hte the country when harrys coming in for his court the country when harrys coming in for his court case . I think it in for his court case . I think tt te in for his court case . I think tt te. In for his court case . I think tt te. T in for his court case . I think it is. I think in for his court case . I think it is. I think its in for his court case . I think it is. I think its very well timed because its only going to create more of a circus. And i do think that we talked about it before that now that harry and meghan have more seasoned representation, managing them behind the scenes, this is kind of in vein of what i expected. Would happen where youve said all you had to say. You now have to move towards presenting yourselves as willing to reconcile and do right by bringing a family together, because thats the only way you will mend your public perception, particularly as a potentially uk brand and say bravo to that. Because saying that at the end of the day they could just stop talking. Why do you have to kind of put it out there publicly that youre going to stop talking is because youre announcing that there has been in sentiment and been a shift in sentiment and youre towards youre moving towards reconciliation, great youre moving towards recona because great youre moving towards recontbecause as great youre moving towards recontbecause as i great youre moving towards recontbecause as i alwaysjreat youre moving towards recontbecause as i always say, thing because as i always say, at the heart of this is a family, a family deep hurt. Family, a family and deep hurt. And all of those whove and to all of those whove watched william grow watched william and harry grow up, most heartbreaking thing watched william and harry grow ufto most heartbreaking thing watched william and harry grow ufto see nost heartbreaking thing watched william and harry grow ufto see these eartbreaking thing watched william and harry grow ufto see these brothersing thing watched william and harry grow ufto see these brothers fallthing is to see these brothers fall apart. And there is potential apart. And if there is potential for reconciliation, we should all supporting that and all be supporting that and sharing that on did they realise meghans the astute one . Did she realise she was losing meghans the astute one . Did she realise she was losing the realise she was losing the hatte realise she was losing the hattte. Realise she was losing the hattte. Realise she was losing the hattte. T realise she was losing the battle. I think realise she was losing the battle. L battle. I think its shes beginning depher management is as good as i know that they are. Theyve told her that its pretty much a fait accompli when it comes to Public Opinion. The majority opinion in majority of Public Opinion in the uk dont push it any further. What you can do is fall behind and let harry behind the scenes and let harry rehabilitate kate and in time they might come to just not warm to you necessarily, but accept to you necessarily, but accept to you necessarily, but accept to you as something that comes with harry. But harry needs to do the mending on the of do the mending on the side of the fence. Thank you very much the fence. Thank you very much indeed. Always keeping us thtatmet indeed. Always keeping us informed there indeed. Always keeping us informed there of 3 always keeping us informed there of whats going on informed there of whats going ah th informed there of whats going ah th the informed there of whats going on in the royal informed there of whats going on in the royal circles. till on in the royal circles. I felt tett on in the royal circles. I felt felt shortchanged there by judhha felt shortchanged there by juditha last time we spoke to her, there was i thought it was a budgie. You thought it was a parakeet a budgie. You thought it was a patateet at iltit; ti; you thought it was a parakeet or something . I feel parakeet or something . I feel can mean he had. Ti; t titl. Can mean he had. He was double booked. So he said he had to stay in town because johnny depp was having a party. Hes very hes a hes a diva, basically. So thats why he wouldnt come. So thats why he wouldnt come. Thanks, janita. Thanks for that. Thanks, janita. Thanks for that. Next time, hollywood can wherever shes going to be next time , who knows . But look to time, who knows . But look to take a look at the latest news from the world of sports and showbiz, wed like say were showbiz, wed like to say were joined Hayley Palmer and joined by Hayley Palmer and aiden thank you aiden aidan magee. Thank you very indeed. Very much indeed. Should we start showbiz because its start with showbiz because its been a very showbiz week. Well skip past sort of the Phillip Schofield stuff. We have had a lot of him, but he has lost one of his jobs to the lovely jane macdonald. This is the best news heeaaee wee macdonald. This is the best news because, yes, she macdonald. This is the best news because, yes, she will iiaittim this is the best news because, yes, she will be pteeeht because, yes, she will be pteeeht emg because, yes, she will be present sing the soap awards, whteh present sing the soap awards, whteh ae present sing the soap awards, whteh ah present sing the soap awards, which are on tonight. t which are on tonight. And i caattht which are on tonight. And i caattht te which are on tonight. And i couldnt be more happier for her. Shes a sort of person. You just want to have a cup of tea and biscuit with, isnt she . She makes you feel really warm and good. This person, though, if you good. This person, though, if waa want good. This person, though, if waa want a good. This person, though, if waa want a cap good. This person, though, if you want a cup of g this person, though, if you want a cup of tea and a heat you want a cup of tea and a biscuit with you want a cup of tea and a biscuit with shes you want a cup of tea and a biscuit with shes best known for biscuit with shes best known tat het biscuit with shes best known for her travel biscuit with shes best known for her travel shows. T; for her travel shows. Cruising wtth for her travel shows. Cruising with Jane Mcdonald loose with Jane Mcdonald and loose women. I love watching her on there actually had there and shes actually had quite sad time. She lost her quite a sad time. She lost her fiance to lung cancer. In 2021 and they actually dated as teenagers. So its quite a sad story. And she also lost her mum story. And she also lost her mum as well. So i feel like this is her time. Shes making a comeback. Shes 60 in her 60s. And its nice, isnt it, comeback. Shes 60 in her 60s. And its nice, isnt it , that and its nice, isnt it, that someone can make a comeback , you someone can make a comeback, you know, because she was big in the 90s and you think, well, were they ever kind of make it back again . So she does have a massive following. Have massive following. She does have a out at the moment. A travel show out at the moment. But i am absolutely delighted. And know what . People who and you know what . People who are and you know what . People who ewetwhatw and you know what . People who are everybody hope, are everybody lives in hope, tamt are everybody lives in hope,l tamt ththg dont they . The next big thing wttt dont they . The next big thing wttt t dont they . The next big thing wttt t me dont they . The next big thing will i come back . Dont they . The next big thing will i come back . And this paee will i come back . And this paee ta will i come back . And this proves to everybody keep tattawthg proves to everybody keep following you proves to everybody keep foll1come you proves to everybody keep foll1come back. You proves to everybody keep foll1come back. And you proves to everybody keep foll1come back. And as you you proves to everybody keep foll1come back. And as you said,i can come back. And as you said, ath can come back. And as you said, aim the can come back. And as you said, aim the eee can come back. And as you said, ain the 60s and can come back. And as you said, a in the 60s and shes now a lady in the 60s and shes now going a lady in the 60s and shes now gathg ta a lady in the 60s and shes now gamg ta he a lady in the 60s and shes now gamg ta he tathg a lady in the 60s and shes now going to be doing prime time, the saap going to be doing prime time, the soap awards ltilyt the soap awards absolutely. I dont made that dont know who made that decision, a great decision, but its a great decision. She loves decision. And i think she loves her as well. She cant her soaps as well. She cant wait it tonight. And ill wait for it tonight. And ill definitely be tuning in now. Were allowed to speak to were not allowed to speak to phillips about schofield phillips about Phillip Schofield because it. Because she has put a ban on it. But we are allowed, therefore, to but we are allowed, therefore, ta epeah but we are allowed, therefore, to speak about but we are allowed, therefore, to speak about Holly Willoughby. It to speak about Holly Willoughby. Tt gathg to speak about Holly Willoughby. Tt gathg ta to speak about Holly Willoughby. Tt gathg ta he it says that shes going to be tact it says that shes going to be tactthe it says that shes going to be backthe sofa it says that shes going to be back the sofa this back on the sofa on this mamthg. Back on the sofa on this morning. Monday. Back on the sofa on this morning. Monday. She back on the sofa on this morningmonday. She is morning. On monday. Yes she is wtth morning. On monday. Yes she is wtth taeah morning. On monday. Yes she is with jason gibson. Morning. On monday. Yes she is with jason gibson. Titi morning. On monday. Yes she is with jason gibson. T i with jason gibson. Is that do we really think thats going to happen . Yeah, think it is happen . Yeah, i think it is going happen . Yeah, i think it is goinghappen happen . Yeah, i think it is goinghappen. Yes, 7 yeah, i think it is going happen. Yes, has going to happen. Yes, it has teem going to happen. Yes, it has been reportedl going to happen. Yes, it hasi been reported in been confirmed. I reported in the been confirmed. I reported in thewe been confirmed. I reported in thewe werent been confirmed. I reported ml the we werent sure the week that we werent sure that the week that we werent sure thatgathg the week that we werent sure thatgathg ta the week that we werent sure that going to happen. That was going to happen. Ahwaaetw. That was going to happen. Obviously, she that was going to happen. Obviously, she is on holiday at thehe obviously, she is on holiday at theheeeel obviously, she is on holiday ati theheeee th the moment. As you can see in the the moment. As you can see in the papete the moment. As you can see in the papetete the moment. As you can see in the papers. Is coming back. The papers. She is coming back. Is the papers. She is coming back. Tethe the papers. She is coming back. Tethe hght the papers. She is coming back. Is the right decision . Is that the right decision . I tamt is that the right decision . I tamt thaw. Is that the right decision . I dont know. But is that the right decision . I dont know. But i guess theyre taet dont know. But i guess theyre taet gamg dont know. But i guess theyre just going pretend that just going to pretend that ewetwthmg just going to pretend that everything okay, right . Everything is okay, right . Thate everything is okay, right . Thats business. Thats show business. Yes. Watt. Thats show business. Yes. Watt. Waa thats show business. Yes. Watt. Waa eee thats show business. Yes. Well, you see, that thats show business. Yes. Well, you see, that could be the problem pretending problem of pretending everythings problem of pretending everythingto see it because interesting to see it because i think could be a difficult, think it could be a difficult, bumpy for to be back bumpy ride for holly to be back so but look, big day to so soon. But look, big day to day, weve been covering as well as epsom derby, the manchester game, cup, manchester game, the fa cup, Manchester Derby, Manchester Derby, both manchester football teams derby, both manchester football teangetting there because the had getting there because of the train strike. Whats going train strike. But whats going to happen in the game . In the game, look manchester i i 37 in the game, look manchester are game, look Manchester City are atte game, look Manchester City are ame. Game, look Manchester City are atte. Hee. Game, look Manchester City are. Odds. Yes. Although odds on favourite. Yes. Although themeetthg odds on favourite. Yes. Although themeetthghwl the last meeting was won by waheheetet the last meeting was won by manchester Manchester United at old manchester Manchester United at eta th manchester Manchester United at eta h eamet old trafford back in earlier in the eeae old trafford back in earlier in the season, many old trafford back in earlier in the season, many nice to ptateetmg the season, many nice to protecting legacy there. Protecting their legacy there. Wateetthg protecting their legacy there. Protecting today they protecting History Today they are protecting History Today they the protecting History Today they are the. Club protecting History Today they are the club have won are the only club to have won the are the only club to have won theat are the only club to have won theof premier are the only club to have won the of premier league the treble of premier League Fa Cup the treble of premier league fa capchamptahe the treble of premier league fa. Cupchampionsthat cup and Champions League. That was cup and Champions League. That waet999. Cup and Champions League. That waeteee. At cup and Champions League. That was1999. Of course cup and Champions League. That was 1999. Of course they was back in 1999. Of course they etappet was back in 1999. Of course they etappettathg was back in 1999. Of course they stoppeddoingimani stopped liverpool doing it. Man whttet stopped liverpool doing it. Man hatedtem stopped liverpool doing it. Man united 1977 by stopped liverpool doing it. 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Theyve got a chance stop their great chance today to stop their great mate chance today to stop their great rivals manchester chance today to stop their great rivals Manchester City from tathg rivals Manchester City from hang the rivals Manchester City from doing the treble today, of course,wouldl doing the treble today, of course,would cant course, the treble would cant be course, the treble would cant he etttt course, the treble would cant he etttt hawei course, the treble would cant. Be still have to be won today. They still have to wh be won today. They still have to winchampions be won today. They still have to winchampionsonl be won today. They still have to. Winchampionson june win the Champions League on june the teth win the Champions League on june the hath. Hat win the Champions League on june the 10th, but incentive the 10th, but what an incentive for the 10th, but what an incentive tatta the 10th, but what an incentive tattalaat the 10th, but what an incentive forto. Out and the 10th, but what an incentive forto. Out and win| for uniteds to go out and win there. For uniteds to go out and win there. Thate for uniteds to go out and win there. Thats despite thats there. And thats despite thats thate tataw. Thats the x factor today. Thate thats the x factor today. Thatscould thats the x factor today. Thats could tip it in thats what could tip it in whttete thats what could tip it in uniteds favour. Theyre saving thetataw. Uniteds favour. Theyre saving thetoday. Thatsl the History Today. And thats your the History Today. And thats waaetatt the History Today. And thats waaetatttt the History Today. And thatsi yourtalkif youre your team talk done if youre tht your team talk done if youre hathhaee your team talk done if youre erikdoes the your team talk done if youre erikdoes the fa your team talk done if youre erik does the fa cup erik ten hag does the fa cup etttt erik ten hag does the fa cup etttt have erik ten hag does the fa cup still havesame erik ten hag does the fa cup still have same lustre it still have the same lustre it ttt. Still have the same lustre it the. T still have the same lustre it once did. I mean still have the same lustre it once did. I ti lat once did. I mean no chester city going to play there. Well it doesin going to play there. Well it does in around the cup they seem to a sort of second to play in a sort of second team. Most cup theyve team. Most of the cup theyve got strongest squad in world got the strongest squad in World Football they afford to football so they can afford to play football so they can afford to play second team. Theyre play their second team. Theyre not even play their second team. Theyre hat ptawmg play their second team. Theyre not even playing first not even playing their first ehatee not even playing their first choice today. | choice goalkeepers today. Thewte choice goalkeepers today. Thewte cwtega choice goalkeepers today. Theyre of ortega choice goalkeepers today. Theyre of ederson. Ortega choice goalkeepers today. Theyre of ederson. Butz rtega choice goalkeepers today. Theyre of ederson. But in ega choice goalkeepers today. Theyre of ederson. But in terms instead of ederson. But in terms of instead of ederson. But in terms atpteettge. Instead of ederson. But in terms atpteettge. The instead of ederson. But in terms of prestige, the fact that of the prestige, the fact that you of the prestige, the fact that waawth of the prestige, the fact that waawthth of the prestige, the fact that waawthth capi of the prestige, the fact that. Youwinfa cup as you have to win the fa cup as part you have to win the fa cup as part at you have to win the fa cup as part at a you have to win the fa cup as part of a treble, you have to win the fa cup as part of a treble, that immediately lends the fa cup its pteettge. Immediately lends the fa cup its pteettge. Ahea immediately lends the fa cup its prestige. Also, from a traditional prestige. Also, from a traditional of view, traditional point of view, ttattttam traditional point of view, tradition, point of view, its moo tradition, point of view, itsi etae ttme tradition, point of view, its etoo ttme th tradition, point of view, its 3 years, time in tradition, point of view, its 3 years, which time in tradition, point of view, its 3 years, which is time in tradition, point of view, its 3 years, which is important. In 12 years, which is important. Thewte 12 years, which is important. Thewtethe 12 years, which is important. Theyre the epsom theyre bringing the epsom derby tatwatt theyre bringing the epsom derby aware ho. Theyre bringing the epsom derby forward130. So forward as well to 130. So thate forward as well to 130. So thate mee forward as well to 130. So thats nice to forward as well to 130. So thats nice to see for, for the traditionalists thats nice to see for, for the traditionalists who like to get the get traditionalists who like to get the get a traditionalists who like to get the get a picnic traditionalists who like to get the get a picnic out for the fa cup, the get a picnic out for the fa caphat the get a picnic out for the fa caphat wetw the get a picnic out for the fa cup, not very good for the cup, its not very good for the traditionalists cup, its not very good for the traditionalists in cup, its not very good for the traditionalists in horse racing the traditionalists in horse racing tthe hethw traditionalists in horse racing like derby and. Traditionalists in horse racing like derby and its like the epsom derby and its teem tte been relegated. Its not relegated. Itsa. Been relegated. Its not. Relegated. Itsa huge relegated. Its still a huge eem relegated. Its still a huge eem tte relegated. Its still a huge event. Its still relegated. Its still a huge event. Its still a 3 its still a huge event. Its still a huge event. Wett event. Its still a huge event. Wett ahtmat event. Its still a huge event. Well animal rising are certainly pattthg at well animal rising are certainly pattthg at att well animal rising are certainly putting of all the. Putting it front page of all the hewepapete newspapers with the protesting that newspapers with the protesting thattathg. Newspapers with the protesting thatdoing. They newspapers with the protesting that doing. Cat pititi; that theyre doing. They are. I thaw that theyre doing. They are. I knew tte that theyre doing. They are. I knew tte a that theyre doing. They are. I know its a yeah anyway less said about them but but yeah well the point thats well thats the point thats a tip derby. Yeah. Tip for the epsom derby. Yeah. Im going to go for l t yeah. Im going to go for tipster attehe im going to go for tipster atteheat im going to go for tipster aidensat18 im going to go for tipster aidensat 18 to. Im going to go for tipster aidensat 18 to 8 to aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to t. Aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to t. Hamt aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to 1. Dont listen aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to 1. Dont listen to aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to 1. Dont listen to him. Aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to 1. Jti l l ilti� i 8 to aidens rubbish at 18 to 1, 8 to 1. J i l l ilti� i 8 to 1. 1. Dont listen to him. 8 to 1. The fox is owned 1. Dont listen to him. 8 to 1. The fox is owned by 1. Dont listen to him. 8 to 1. The fox is owned by the the fox is owned by the teteeetet the fox is owned by the Leicester City the fox is owned by the Leicester City owners. I think thewte Leicester City owners. I think thewte gamg Leicester City owners. I think thewte gamg ta Leicester City owners. I think theyre going to bounce back ham theyre going to bounce back from relegation theyre going to bounce back from relegation last week and thewte from relegation last week and thewtewh from relegation last week and theyrewin the from relegation last week and theyre win the derby. Theyre going to win the derby. Get theyre going to win the derby. Eet weat theyre going to win the derby. Eet waat hatet theyre going to win the derby. Get your rulerand theyre going to win the derby. Get your rulerand put get your ruler out and put a line through that one. That was now with field down. Well, now with the field down. Well, i want about madeleine. I want to talk about madeleine. I think i said de man, who plays as think i said de man, who plays aehtamthg. Think i said de man, who plays asbranning. She think i said de man, who plays as branning. She used to as Lauren Branning. She used to play in play Lauren Branning in eastenders. Play Lauren Branning in. Eastenders. Not play Lauren Branning in eastenders. Not doing eastenders. She is now not doing that eastenders. She is now not doing thatsameahe eastenders. She is now not doing thatsomeone has eastenders. She is now not doing that someone has taken that role. Someone has taken averthat that role. Someone has taken overthat role that role. Someone has taken over that role and she was over from that role and she was eawthg over from that role and she was eawthg that over from that role and she was eawthg thatlah over from that role and she was saying that an actress, when saying that as an actress, when waate saying that as an actress, when waateat saying that as an actress, when waateatwaa saying that as an actress, when youreofyou need. Saying that as an actress, when youre of you need to youre out of work, you need to get sa youre out of work, you need to get sa ehee get otherjobs. So shes eamehttw get otherjobs. So shes currentlyin. Get otherjobs. So shes currentlyin a. Get otherjobs. So shes currentlyin a doctors currently working in a doctors eatgetw currently working in a doctors eatgetw aht currently working in a doctors surgery and people are like, wow surgery and people are like, waw. |eaht surgery and people are like, wow, cant believe shes wow, i cant believe shes aetaattw wow, i cant believe shes actually but. Wow, i cant believe shes actually butlthink actually doing that. But i think its actually doing that. But i think tteame. Actually doing that. But i think tteame. Teat actually doing that. But i think itsone, isnt it . Its a hard one, isnt it . Heeaaee its a hard one, isnt it . Because when its a hard one, isnt it . Because when you the because when you are in the pathe because when you are in the pahtte ewe. Because when you are in the public eye,feel because when you are in the public eye, feel like you public eye, you feel like you cant public eye, you feel like you aahtla public eye, you feel like you canta normal public eye, you feel like you cant a normal job, but you cant do a normal job, but you have cant do a normal job, but you have ta cant do a normal job, but you have ta waa cant do a normal job, but you have to you have cant do a normal job, but you have to you have to pay the thte have to you have to pay the httte hghte have to you have to pay the bills, right . I have to you have to pay the bills, right . I mean, i can aetaattw bills, right . I mean, i can actually remember when i didnt have actually remember when i didnt havemahew actually remember when i didnt havemoneyand have any money at all and i warhea have any money at all and i wattet th have any money at all and i worked in an have any money at all and i worked in an office last week, waet worked in an office last week, waet tte worked in an office last week, wasnt it . Was, worked in an office last week, wasnt it . Jtit . titi wasnt it . It was, yeah. Yeah. Nothings changed. But me, nothings changed. But for me, i always nothings changed. But for me, i atwawe get nothings changed. But for me, i always get sacked nothings changed. But for me, i always get sacked from htits t; ig but for me, i always get sacked from jobs heeaaee always get sacked from jobs heeaaee t always get sacked from jobs because i always talk too much aht because i always talk too much amtmach. Because i always talk too much amtmath. T because i always talk too much andmuch. I find because i always talk too much and much. I find that and laugh too much. I find that wetw and laugh too much. I find that wetw hart. And laugh too much. I find that wetw p. G. T and laugh too much. I find that very hard. I know and laugh too much. I find that very hard. I know go, see, very hard. I know i go, you see, you very hard. I know i go, you see, waa taaht very hard. I know i go, you see, waa tametat. Very hard. I know i go, you see, waataahttah. Very hard. I know i go, you see, you foundjob. Itsl you found your right job. Its the you found your right job. Its the entw you found your right job. Its the amtw ththg you found your right job. Its the only thing i you found your right job. Its the only thing i can you found your right job. Its the only thing i can do. Theyre like, haley theyre like, haley taught the only thing i can do. Theyre like, haley taught more aht theyre like, haley taught more amt tm theyre like, haley taught more amt tm thte theyre like, haley taught more and im like, oh, theyre like, haley taught more and im like, oh, go on then. Anv and im like, oh, go on then. Haw ather and im like, oh, go on then. Haw athet tat. And im like, oh, go on then. Any other job, theyre and im like, oh, go on then. Any other job, theyre like, haley, you any haley, enough. Have you done any dodgy haley, enough. Have you done any dodgydodgy haley, enough. Have you done any dodgy dodgy jobs . What are dodgy jobs . Dodgy jobs . What are you moment i dodgy jobs . Dodgy jobs . What are you moment i worked you doing at the moment i worked at kitchen porter back in at as a kitchen porter back in 2000. Where was that . Where that wasbrewersseven. Was at the brewers fair in seven aate. Was at the brewers fair in seven aate. Iaetaattw was at the brewers fair in seven oaks. Actually on was at the brewers fair in seven oaks. Actually on the oaks. Its actually on the attehat oaks. Its actually on the arterial between orpington oaks. Its actually on the arte seven between orpington oaks. Its actually on the arte seven betvtoen orpington oaks. Its actually on the arte seven betvto be rpington oaks. Its actually on the arte seven betvto be absolutely and seven oaks, to be absolutely paeetee and seven oaks, to be absolutely preciseactually precise. But ive actually got the precise. But ive actually got the|gat precise. But ive actually got the|gat the precise. But ive actually got the got the managers son into the i got the managers son into ahtwetettw university through clearing and so university through clearing and ea Ta University through clearing and ea ta ttahtl so ive got promoted to front to theat so ive got promoted to front to theat the so ive got promoted to front to theof the house. So ive got promoted to front to the of the house. Anyway, the front of the house. Anyway, the the front of the house. Anyway, thte the front of the house. Anyway, thte wammaa the front of the house. Anyway, this woman a margarita this woman ordered a margarita in this woman ordered a margarita th the in the afternoon, has in the eaettatt in the afternoon, has in the eaettattt in the afternoon, has in the cocktail i thought cocktail and i thought she meant a i cocktail and i thought she meant at eatt cocktail and i thought she meant at eatteewei a pizza. I said we dont serve taae get a pizza. I said we dont serve taae get thtel food till six. Oh i get this, httah food till six. Oh i get this, aidanthank food till six. Oh i get this,| aidan thank you food till six. Oh i get this, aidan thank you for that. Aidan magee. Thank you for that. No Hayley Palmer, thank you very much indeed. Came crashing much indeed. Came to a crashing eat. Much indeed. Came to a crashing eat taae. End. Its true. Thats true. Thats got thats true. All weve got time for today. Well be back at 10 am. Next friday. For today. Well be back at 10 am. Next friday. But well be back at 10 am. Next friday. But up next is a. M. Next friday. But up next is gb news saturday with the wahtemat gb news saturday with the wonderful hello wonderful dawn neesom. Hello there. Wonderful dawn neesom. Hello theta aht there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome gb news welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Plenty of strong uk strong sunshine across the uk will be warm for many but still chilly along some eastern and southeastern coasts. And the southeastern coasts. And the reason for this is this High Pressure hanging around, pressure still hanging around, being few weeks being around for a few weeks now continues it settled and continues to keep it settled and dry for the vast majority of the uk. Notice though, still breezy around some coasts and it will be noticeably so through the next few days too. But for the next few days too. But for the afternoon, plenty of strong sunshine, high to very high uv levels. There will be some cloud that comes and goes the lowest and thickest cloud across northern parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and a little bit of low cloud running down the east coast at times with northeasterly breeze, with that northeasterly breeze, it chilly temperatures it will be chilly temperatures for or celsius. But the for 10 or 15 celsius. But the further inland you reaching further inland you come reaching towards the mid 20s in the west. So plenty of warm weather out there into the evening time as there into the evening time as the sun sets it starts to turn a little bit chilly. Well see the return of low cloud across northeast scotland, filtering inland also across eastern inland and also across Eastern England towards the end of the night. Elsewhere generally dry with some clear spells could lead to a few mist and fog patches and temperatures generally falling into single figures. So a generally falling into single figures. So a fresh generally falling into single figures. So a fresh start to figures. So a fresh start to sunday. Therell be some grey skies across eastern parts of england, north east england. But it should slowly lift and break as we go through the day. But just notice slight differences through sunday is the east coast could see some low cloud at times and also far north of scotland, but hopefully brightening up here. Best of the sunshine across the south and the temperatures again the west. Temperatures again edging towards the mid 20s. Always cooler up towards the east. A fine end to sunday on the evening time with just isolate and shower possible across parts of scotland perhaps northern ireland. But this soon clearing and overnight again clearing and overnight again clear skies with that low cloud rolling back in and much of next week initially dry plenty of sunshine and temperatures again in the low 20 covid it