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Born male and just days into her life was secretly operated on by surgeons to make her female after health complications. This is shocking. Secret was kept from her until her 20s she had noidea from her until her 20s she had no idea shed been transitioned. Well, she tells her, moving but deeply inspirational story. But deeply inspirational story. In an exclusive two part mark dolan tonight interview and in my take at ten, with no interest from private companies to invest in unsightly and inefficient wind farms, the case for flaky renewables is running out of puff. Two hours of big opinion, puff. Two hours of big opinion, big debates , big entertainment big debates, big entertainment and an extraordinary life story. Lots to get through. But first, lots to get through. But first, the headlines. Its the news with Polly Middlehurst. With Polly Middlehurst. Mark, thank you. Good mark, thank you. Good evening, will. The top story tonight, within the last hour, the government has announced its sending emergency its sending an Emergency Response team to morocco following fridays earthquake. There the foreign secretary, James Cleverly confirming tonight the uk is deploying 60 search and rescue specialists, as well as four rescue dogs to the north african country. More than 2100 people have lost their lives after the 6. 8 magnitude quake struck remote areas of the Atlas Mountains , with Atlas Mountains, with aftershocks today causing more uncertainty and danger for. Well, here at home, his majesty king charles has sent his condolences to morocco , saying condolences to morocco, saying he cant describe the depths of his sadness and sorrow at the appalling tragedy thats unfolding. Meanwhile, in news unfolding. Meanwhile, in news here at home, Daniel Khalife has been charged with escaping from customer custody, rather, after four days on the run from the authorities. The 21 year old escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry to get out of wandsworth prison on wednesday. He was tackled from his bike on a towpath in west london by an officer yesterday , london by an officer yesterday, and hes due to appear at Westminster Magistrates Court tomorrow. Meanwhile, the justice tomorrow. Meanwhile, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have had to be moved out of the prison amid an investigation into his escape. Alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded , guarded but promises the government is doing all it can to provide resources. That comes as an inmate at the prison was stabbed this afternoon. The man was taken to hospital where he remains in a critical condition. The met Police Telling us no arrests have been made. Now, the arrests have been made. Now, the tuc says it will report the government to the United Nations over a new uk law requiring staff to work during strikes. Staff to work during strikes. The tucs general secretary says the legislation falls short of International Standards. The government says the law protects the lives of the public, such as in the case of doctors, strikes. An add. Theyve recently announced a consultation on how the new law will be put into place. The Prime Minister says place. The Prime Minister says he has confronted his words. The he has confronted his words. The Chinese Premier Li Keqiang at the 620 Chinese Premier Li Keqiang at the g20 summit in new delhi over spying thats alleged to have taken place in westminster. The sunday times reporting today that a man in his 20s and another in his 30s were arrested back in march under the official secrets act. One of the men is alleged to have been a researcher with links to tory mps. And lastly, sir mo farah mps. And lastly, sir mo farah completed the final race of his career today. He got fourth career today. He got fourth place in the great north run. The four time olympic champion said it had all been an amazing journey. He was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds as he crossed the finishing line , crossed the finishing line, signalling his famous letter m as he lifted his hands above his head. The as he lifted his hands above his head. The sports star announced earlier this year that the time had finally come for him to move away from the running. World away from the running. World ulez gb news. Across the uk on your tv, in your car , on your your tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio, and now on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news this is britains news. Channel thanks, polly. Well see you at 10 00. Welcome to mark dolan tonight. In my big opinion , a tonight. In my big opinion, a top french bank tells investors top french bank tells investors to move their money away from the euro zone into britain. Anyone that thinks we will ever re enter that failing bloc is living on another planet in the big story, ill be joined live in the studio by Sophie Ottaway, a woman who was born male and just days into her life was secretly operated on by surgeons to make her female after health complications. To make her female after health complications. In this to make her female after health complications. In this shocking complications. In this shocking secret was kept from her until her 20s, as she had no idea that shed been transitioned. She tells her, moving but deeply inspirational story. In an exclusive two part mark dolan tonight interview. And that is tonight interview. And that is after the first break. At 915. You wont want to miss it. Also is britain heading for a Hung Parliament at the next election . Ill be asking my mark meets guest lord norton of lough, the man whos been described as the worlds leading expert on the Uk Parliament and the british constitution. How does he think things will play out when rishi sunak goes to the country next year . Im looking forward to year . Im looking forward to this in my take at ten with no interest from private companies to us unsightly and to invest in us unsightly and inefficient wind farms. The case for flakey renewables is running out of puff as shes set to release a new book was liz truss right all along . And is there right all along . And is there just ten years to save the west as per the title of the book . Plus will keir starmer stop the boats if he becomes Prime Minister . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker the formidable ann widdecombe. Plus, formidable ann widdecombe. Plus, weve got tomorrows front pages at 1030 with three top pundits who havent been told what to say and who dont follow the script. Tonight, lynne to script. Tonight, lynne to jubilee. Shaun woodward and adrian hayes. Jubilee. Shaun woodward and adrian hayes. Plus, the most adrian hayes. Plus, the most important part of the show, your emails, they come straight to my laptop market. Gb news. Com. And this show has a strict golden rule. We dont do boring. Not on my watch. I just wont have it. My watch. I just wont have it. Especially on a sunday night. So a big two hours to come. We start with my big opinion. You start with my big opinion. You wont believe this, folks. Bnp wont believe this, folks. Bnp paribas, one of frances biggest banks , has advised its clients banks, has advised its clients to move money out of the eurozone and into britain by putting their money into uk stocks, arguing that a cheap pound and an attractive combination of sectors and the better than expected performance of the british economy makes the countrys businesses attractive. Investments thoughts and prayers for those who love to characterise britain as an economic basket case and those who stay attached to the fading idea that brexit is a disaster. Now, i voted remain worried about the short to medium Term Economic impacts of leaving the bloc. But immediately accepted the result because democracy and im delighted to have been proved wrong. The numbers speak for themselves since we left the eu, britain has grown 8. 7. German germany 8. 1 and italy 6. 1. Unemployment has come down to 4. 2, adding a million jobs by july 2022. Our exports to the eu were not just the highest since brexit, but the highest ever investment into britain. Up exports to the eu, up exports to the rest of the world, up, up, up. We avoid recession. Germany gets one. Even inflation is heading south. It goes on. Meanwhile, britain rejoins the eus horizon project, which involves sharing resources , involves sharing resources, skills and knowledge in the field of science. We were only thrown out of horizon as a result of pure spite from brussels. But fearing that brussels. But fearing that europe could become a scientific backwater. Surprise, surprise, backwater. Surprise, surprise, theyve welcomed us back in pensh theyve welcomed us back in perish the thought that they needed britain and our world class scientific expertise. Class scientific expertise. Meanwhile, the Windsor Framework which went some way to fixing the flow of goods to Northern Ireland once again involved major concessions from yes , you major concessions from yes, you guessed it, the eu. Giorgia guessed it, the eu. Giorgia meloni , the Prime Minister of meloni, the Prime Minister of italy, has defended the rwanda plan and has promised to collaborate with the uk to stop the flow of illegal immigration into our respective countries. Into our respective countries. Youll have to mop up the oceans of tears falling in islington coffee shops and gastropubs when other eu nations begin to adopt rwanda style plans themselves. Whether its the uk , france, whether its the uk, france, italy, spain or anyone else. People across europe have had enough of what they feel is an effective open borders policy and britain leads the way. Meanwhile, excuse me. Meanwhile, meanwhile, excuse me. Meanwhile, spare europes blushes as brussels becomes the crack cocaine capital of europe as the eu 27 go to war with each other over a proposed ,86 billion increase in their massive budget, a share of which we have escaped paying. Meanwhile germany, which has been bankrolling the bloc for decades, is in real economic trouble, thanks to a disastrously conceived energy policy. So desperate are they to boost their economic growth. The germans have actually cut Corporation Tax by ,32 billion. Nice to see that berlin have adopted a bit of good Old Fashioned trussonomics. Fashioned trussonomics. Meanwhile, in a post brexit boom plan and a hoped £200 billion boost for uk outputs , the city boost for uk outputs, the city of london has announced a package of major reforms not possible under eu membership that could put a rocket under the uk economy. Following our departure from the bloc. What about that . A city of london about that . A city of london boost of 200 billion. This is before you even get to an expected and unimpressive dented trade deal with india. One of the Fastest Growing economies in the Fastest Growing economies in the world and a market of a billion people. This off the back of the cptpp deal , billion people. This off the back of the cptpp deal, which makes us part of a market even bigger than the whole of the eu. And now youve got a french bank telling its customers to invest in britain. Invest in britain. Unfortunately, those europhiles at last night of the proms waving their eu flags didnt get the memo , did they . Look, i the memo, did they . Look, i believe in free speech. They can wave whatever flag they like, but they are in denial. The case for brexit grows by the day. For brexit grows by the day. Even that well reported figure that britain was the slowest g7 country to recover from the pandemic proved to be a big fat lie , with the ons correcting lie, with the ons correcting what they thought was a downturn of 0. 2 to the truth, which is that we expand it by 1. 5, outpacing germany, france , italy outpacing germany, france, italy and even japan. How ironic that and even japan. How ironic that those waving eu flags at the proms this weekend are the same people who call patriotic brexit supporters flag shaggers well, theyre well and truly shagged now, arent they . With their continued attachment to the eu project and their wilful blindness ignoring reality, it makes them like those japanese soldiers who were still fighting the Second World War in the 1960s. They didnt get the memo and neither did the eu fanatics. Weve replaced rule from brussels with rule britannia to a far better tune to sing along. To. To your. To your reaction, mark at gbnews. Com. Lets get the views of tonights top pundits, journalist and broadcaster linda jubilee speaker and former secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward, and author and social commentator adrian hayes. Author and social commentator adrian hayes. And ive got to adrian hayes. And ive got to say, im loving those 1970s style zoom shots. Theyre very style zoom shots. Theyre very creative from the gallery. Creative from the gallery. Listen, folks, weve got a dream team of pundits here and Shaun Woodward , you dont look happy. Woodward, you dont look happy. Well i dont know what youre drinking this evening, but id like some of it because , i mean, like some of it because, i mean, that wonderful cocaine from brussels that you painted for us of after leaving the of life after leaving the European Union seems to ignore the really key facts. And the key facts really are why is inflation in the uk more than twice that of america . Because 1 Higher Energy pnces because 1 Higher Energy prices and 1 higher than the rest of the eu also who have to pay rest of the eu also who have to pay high Energy Prices. Pay high Energy Prices. And mark, for most people with a mortgage, why is their mortgage 1 higher . Because the bank of england have a 5. 25 Interest Rate level , whereas in Interest Rate level, whereas in the eu its 4. 25. In other words , bank of england were asleep at the wheel , pumping out billions the wheel, pumping out billions of empty pounds during the pandemic. Thats when you were and i now want to go back to what youre drinking because you describe trussonomics. You seem to have a memory lapse here. How many billions did it cost us to prop up the pound when because of the way that liz truss ran the country into the ground in that very brief period , hundreds that very brief period, hundreds of billions were spent by the bank to try and prop up the economy. Why . Why are germany cutting taxes to boost their economy now . Well, germany is doing absolutely thing, absolutely the right thing, and you starmer you will find when keir starmer hopefully becomes Prime Minister, he will continue minister, that he will continue the policies of actually having low Corporation Tax to make the uk a compare live environment to come to that sensible economics. But i think, you know, as i say for you to pronounce that liz trusss economics which have cost this country and everybody who pays, shes not the Prime Minister anymore. So much money. No. And minister anymore. So much money. No. And for one very good reason. She was a disaster , sister. Okay, well, look, sean is not happy about my portrayal of britain as doing quite well after brexit. Whats your view, linda . Well, i think its good to try and talk a good game, but at the end of the day, were in. I think were in quite a difficult position when youve quoted lots of facts and figures about the economy, but actually you look at society and you look at whether people are happy and whether people are happy and whether they were whether they think were in broken there are broken britain and there are very many people that think we are britain you are in broken britain and you cant market your way out of this situation. But why are bnp paribas saying out of saying take your money out of the put in britain the eurozone, put it in britain because economic sense because it makes economic sense completely for them to be investing this particular point. But it doesnt prove anything about brexit being good about brexit being a good decision. What did. Decision. So i did what you did. I to remain. And i may i voted to remain. And i may have thought there should be a supermajority condition on that which there wasnt, which did annoy me. But now we are where we are. We just need to get on with it. Okay, look, i with it. Okay, n okay, well, look, i mean, i think this story from bnp think that this story from bnp panbasis think that this story from bnp paribas is huge. And if it worked the other way, the remainers would would remainers would be would be crowing this. Crowing about this. Yeah, i think, look, any theres a tendency perhaps for people seize on a bit of data people to seize on a bit of data thats due to brexit or thats thats due to brexit or people say thats people say oh thats just because we left the eu. I dont go view. Ive always go for that view. Ive always taken view. One taken this view. Im the one person voted to leave. Person here who voted to leave. However, i always took this nuance view that look, nuance view that said, look, really mervyn king, lord really taking mervyn king, lord mervyn the former governor mervyn king, the former governor of bank england, there were of bank of england, there were benefits the eu benefits in staying in the eu and were benefits and there were benefits in in leaving. There was no leaving. But what there was no point in doing was skewing the benefits of staying without maximising the benefits of leaving. And i think weve leaving. And i think weve cocked it up. We havent because cocked it up. We havent because we havent shown the courage. I think truss had the good vision for a high growth, low tax economy, but cant do that economy, but you cant do that by more. And its the by borrowing more. And its the whole point the refusal to whole point of the refusal to cut public spending, which is me , the thing. , the big thing. And it to add up. And also it needed to add up. And lets just remember one very important so called important thing about so called trussonomics. Up , trussonomics. It didnt add up, okay . And was the okay . And that was the catastrophe that she brought on. Well it certainly spooked the markets. I have to say. Listen, my big opinion a cool response opinion gets a cool response from my pundits, but what do you think, mark, at gbnews. Com. Coming up next in the big story , ill be joined live in the studio by Sophie Ottaway, a woman male and just woman who was born male and just days her life was secretly days into her life was secretly operated on by surgeons to make her female. It was kept a secret. She didnt find out until she was 22. Its an extraordinary story. She tells it in the studio jeremy is an Old Fashioned labour politician. Labour politician. Welcome back to mark dolan tonight. In my take at ten, ill be asking, has the wind gone out of wind farming . What do you think about that . Well discuss Green Renewables at 10 00. But its Green Renewables at 10 00. But wsfime Green Renewables at 10 00. But its time now for the big story. And in 1986, Sophie Ottaway was born with a very rare medical condition which required immediate surgery. Cloacal immediate surgery. Cloacal exstrophy. Thats right. Exstrophy. Thats right. Cloacal. Exstrophy happens when the organs in the abdomen do not form correctly in the womb, resulting in babies born with organs such as the bladder or intestines outside of the body. Sophie was in fact 100 a boy with a small damaged penis but healthy testes. Doctors immediately advised sophies parents that their babys male genhaua parents that their babys male genitalia should be removed to avoid further complications. So avoid further complications. So the baby had to be registered by the baby had to be registered by the following day, which meant that mum and dad had to decide whether to tick or female whether to tick male or female on the form, trusting the medical advice they were given. Sophies parents agreed to the procedure for having given procedure for having been given the impression it was in her best interests , and they were best interests, and they were told to keep all of this a secret from sophie and simply to raise her as a girl. Following years of side effects from hormonal medication and health trauma. As a result of the procedure, sophie found out by accident that she was born a boy at the age of 22, and sophie otway joins me now. Sophie ottaway, how are you . Hi, im all right, thanks, mark. Great to have you in the studio. Can you tell me about the issues that you when issues that you had when you were born . Because this is a rare but known medical condition were born . Because this is a rare b|it . ;nown medical condition were born . Because this is a rare it� lit . ;nown medical condition were born . Because this is a rare it is. ;nown medical condition were born . Because this is a rare it is. ;nown nexstrophy. Idition it is. Cloacal exstrophy. Its one in 200 to 400,000 live births. Its bladder and bowel on outside of the body on the outside of the body split penis is basically bit of penis is basically a bit of a nightmare to resolve. But was nightmare to resolve. But i was born holy holy male x y chromosome and the concern that doctors had at the time is that if this wasnt resolved with an operation that you would have years of problems. That right . Is that right . Is that right . They had to do pretty much. They had to do something resolve something to resolve the urological which something to resolve the urolc still. Which something to resolve the urolcstill hasnt which something to resolve the urolc still hasnt haventvhich something to resolve the urolc still hasnt havent fixed they still hasnt havent fixed to this day. They still hasnt havent fixed to this day. But they still hasnt havent fixed to this day. But yeah, that was to this day. But yeah, that was the of it that we needed. The crux of it that we needed. We needed to do what we needed to do to fix urological to do to fix the urological problems. And apparently a gender of that. But one the egregious but one of the most egregious aspects of story is that aspects of the story is that your testes were and of your testes were removed and of course that had big implications for your later life. Absolutely. So the testes absolutely. So the testes were removed and we dont have a histology report on the testes , histology report on the testes, so we dont if they were so we dont know if they were healthy they split healthy or not. They the split penis removed and they did a penis was removed and they did a vaginal reconstruction on to a two day old baby , of which its two day old baby, of which its yeah. Anyway, its a long story. Yeah. Anyway, its a long story. Yes. And this was a known medical procedure, but still relatively unusual. And a challenge. And a challenge. Yes. Yes. Very much so. I mean, 1 in 400,000. It is quite rare. But there are two centres rare. But there are two centres in the uk. That specialise in this. So i wouldnt have been the first that would have crossed their path, no. Good job or not . No. No no, absolutely not. Okay and ought that to have been conveyed to your parents that that this might not work . That this might not work . Yeah, i guess they they conveyed to the parents that was in the best interest of the child to be raised in that way. And it was best for and they said it was best for the for they the problem for me. They did save my life. Im here today 37. You know, living the dream. But, you know , still with still with you know, still with still with bladder incontinence. It bladder incontinence. It was a urological problem. Still urological problem. I still suffer from that urological problem and they created me. Another problem in, you know, giving in what they did with with the gender side. With the gender side. If you could have your time again, would like them again, what would you like them to because they to have done . Because they couldnt left you as couldnt have just left you as you that right . Or you were. Is that right . Or could they have . Well , i could they have . Well, i mean, this is a really good question. Im not a medical professional sadly, really good question. Im not a meinhs professional sadly, really good question. Im not a meinhs seemed nal sadly, really good question. Im not a meinhs seemed tol sadly, really good question. Im not a meinhs seemed to not sadly, really good question. Im not a meinhs seemed to not wantly, really good question. Im not a meinhs seemed to not want to the nhs seemed to not want to talk shape or form talk to me in any shape or form about this issue. So im going to guess the best to have to guess the best i possibly would possibly can, but i would imagine way you possibly can, but i would ima put way you possibly can, but i would ima put bladder way you possibly can, but i would ima put bladder and way you possibly can, but i would ima put bladder and aay you possibly can, but i would ima put bladder and a bowel can put a bladder and a bowel inside without inside of a body without creating vagina creating a fake vagina that later me sepsis, right . Later gave me sepsis, right . And also to have preserved your healthy your testes if they were healthy as exactly. So would still exactly. So that would still have able to have the option to be able to have the option to be able to have the option to be able to have the future have children in the future should parents were should i wish your parents were in an impossible position . Were. They were they were. They were listening to the experts. They were. They were they were as much a victim in as i dont see us victim in this as i dont see us as victims. But if you look at the theyve been a the story, yeah, theyve been a worse am. Worse situation than i am. Imagine keep that imagine having to keep that secret from your mean, secret from your child. I mean, its be hard , right . Its got to be hard, right . Decision to do so why this decision to do everything in secret and to raise you as a girl without telling you . Telling you . Well, the doctors, the doctors sort of words was that its psycholon, too its too psycholon, too psychologically damaging the psychologically damaging on the patient but my thoughts around patient. But my thoughts around it is that you can hide a lot in silence and you can hide a lot in the shadows. And when people start you say, start to talk, you can say, well, thats normal. Yeah well, thats not normal. Yeah the surgeon do you think that the surgeon that operated on you had some idea perhaps gender was an idea that perhaps gender was an abstract thing and there would be no problem transitioning you was was was ideology part of it, or did that person just make a medical judgement . The surgeon himself, i so the surgeon himself, i believe he was just following the Clinical Pathways that were prescribed to him at the time was a young surgeon. However, the i believed were the pathways i believed were informed by the nurture and nature theory, prevailing nurture and john money and his crazy ideologies. And i think crazy ideologies. And i think thats why the idea that its actually society that makes you actually society that makes you a girl. A boy or a girl. And therefore the and therefore whats the problem transitioning you problem with transitioning you when lived exactly when youve barely lived exactly that. Exactly. That. Exacthats an ideology and thats an ideology that you which talk you challenge, which well talk about yes the about after the break. Yes the idea can just simply idea that you can just simply change something change your sex is something that agree with. How that you dont agree with. How did you find out that you were originally born a boy . Because originally born a boy . Because youve lived many years as girl . Yeah, 22 years old. I was at the doctors surgery. I obviously knew stuff was not quite right, you know, i knew and knew that i been and i knew that i had been born with bladder outside with bladder and bowel outside of but you were told that you but you were told that you had to have medication every day . So 11, presented yeah. So age 11, i presented at endocrinology where they at the endocrinology where they obviously need to drill this obviously i need to drill this in because people have been saying there in because people have been sayin no there in because people have been sayin no ovaries. There in because people have been sayin no ovaries. But there in because people have been sayin no ovaries. But i there in because people have been sayinno ovaries. But i was there in because people have been sayinno ovaries. But i was lieda were no ovaries. But i was lied and i was that there were and i was told that there were ovaries, but they were damaged and after and had to be removed after birth. Because there was no birth. And because there was no oestrogen ovaries , i oestrogen from the ovaries, i would need to take hormones in order to replace that. So from age 11, i took those every day and every six months had and every six months i had a check up. But really these hormones your health. This a way of this was a way of perpetuating lie you perpetuating the lie that you were biological female. Were a biological female. Because without absolutely. Because without the oestrogen, id have, i assume, androgynous assume, presented androgynous for the rest of my life. Those oestrogen and those oestrogen pills gave symptoms , gave you all sorts of symptoms, made you unwell overweight. Made you unwell and overweight. You off them and you you got off them and then you felt better. Felt better. Absolutely. Yep. I stopped taking five years ago taking them every five years ago and ive never better. Yeah. And so how exactly precisely did you find out . 22 years old routine trip to the doctors locum gp. I thought that i had tonsillitis or Something Like that. My mum. Weird she always used to accompany me to the doctors. Obviously i know why and obviously i know why now and looked at screen. The locum looked at the screen. The locum obviously been given obviously hadnt been given the word that dont sophie word that we dont tell sophie some stuff on the some of that stuff on the screen. In middle screen. Right in the middle of the two lines 46 xy the screen was two lines 46 xy birth split phallus and phallus removal , birth split phallus and phallus removal, vaginal birth split phallus and phallus removal , vaginal reconstruction, removal, vaginal reconstruction, testes removal. Testes removal. It spotted it on a screen and if that hadnt happened, you might not know. To this day, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. What are your emotions about this, looking back initially it was back . Well, initially it was anger. Back . Well, initially it was anger. Obviously resolved anger. Obviously ive resolved that cant make that now because you cant make peace with your life and be angry. That . Angry. Whats the point in that . Now . Want to use now . I want to i want to use what learnt and whats what ive learnt and whats happened to me in my experiences to pathways for to inform better pathways for others. Turn others. Like, lets turn something bad into something good. Were good. Well, listen, were going to continue conversation with continue this conversation with Sophie Ottaway, a remarkable person , an amazing courage. And person, an amazing courage. And in fact, she would like people to engage with her story and her email, which ill give again at the end of our chat, is inquiries at sophies story to ss in the middle. Com. Lots more to come. But first, the weather i that 5mm that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. 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News welcome to a mark dolan tonight big story special in the company of Sophie Ottaway who was born a male but ultimate she ultimately trans and at the hands of a surgeon just a few days old, into being a female. Its an extraordinary story. More on that after this games in a private helicopter. He preaches net zero. They all preach. Net zero. Preach. Net zero. Now, im delighted to welcome Sophie Ottaway into the studio. She features in a mark dolan tonight big story special, sophie was born with a set of Health Issues which meant that surgeons decided although she was born a boy , that they would was born a boy, that they would transition her a couple of days old into being a girl. They removed her penis and testicles and told mum and dad that there should be a secret. She should be raised a girl doesnt be raised a girl she doesnt need out by need to know. She found out by accident on a visit to the gp surgery at the age of 22 that she wasnt a girl. She had been a boy, but here you are, Sophie Ottoway to tell the story. Why have you decided to go public . Because this is very personal. Well i think were just reaching sort of the peak of the debate around sort of childhood gender affirming care and all that kind of thing. And it felt like david reimer had offer years ago. Had a lot to offer years ago. David reimer, sadly, isnt around but my around anymore, but my experience is probably very similar to his. Well, can you remind us of that story . David reimer so to you, twins born in winnipeg, david reimer so to you, twins born in winnipeg , they go for a born in winnipeg, they go for a routine circumcision. The doctor routine circumcision. The doctor uses a heat wand to do the job. Sadly, the heat wand decimates one of the childrens penises as doctor john mooney, a psychologist , doctor john mooney, a psychologist, comes along, offers to help the family and he says, ive got this theory that nurture prevails over nature and we can raise boy as a we can just raise this boy as a girl. They raise the boy as girl. They raise the boy as a girl. They raise the boy as a girl. The girl later finds out girl. The girl later finds out transitions back and sadly commits suicide. In 2004in the third. Whats whats so difficult about your story is that all these decisions were made on your behalf and to a certain extent, they predestined how your life would be and that was wrong, wasnt it . Yeah, i mean, it would have been nice to have had choice and part argument ive part of the argument that ive got at the moment is informed consent. Want consent. Do anything you want as long consent an long as theres consent from an individual age and on individual that is of age and on of the right mind to be able to make that decision. Now, ive met your dad. Hes a gentleman. Charming. A gentleman. Very charming. Charming a gentleman. Very charming. Chtheing a gentleman. Very charming. Chthe flesh. Must been a gentleman. Very charming. Chthicrossh. Must been a gentleman. Very charming. Chthicross with must been a gentleman. Very charming. Chthicross with mus at been a gentleman. Very charming. Chthicross with mus at first. Een a bit cross with them at first. I was. I was. I was. I was at first. But you have to look at intent anything. Know, intent with anything. You know, people things people do questionable things all they all the time, but if they mean well they mean , ive well and they do, i mean, ive spent 37 my life with spent 37 years of my life with them theyve never done them and theyve never done anything hurt. Anything thats made me hurt. You a long time. Anything thats made me hurt. You a longtime. I you know, thats a long time. I mean, hes a lovely bloke, as is my well, a bloke, my mum. Well, shes not a bloke, by would bit weird. Would another story t another story. That would be another story. That would be another story. Id get her on next week. Id get her on next week. This yeah, well, this is it. This is it. Been offered is it. Youve been offered further surgery, but have declined, i guess is not surprising. Well , if surprising. Well, if you go for dinner at a restaurant and you get food poisoning, going poisoning, then youre not going to second time, are to go back a second time, are you . Way im liking you . Thats the way im liking that. Definitely that. Youre definitely not. Is the prognosis i mean, what is the prognosis for health Going Forward . For your health Going Forward . Ive disengaged well, ive disengaged completely with the National Health service and the last, last i heard, i had a 25 centimetre mass that may or may not be the remnants of an old vaginal reconstruct that was put in two day old body. I in my two day old body. I decided i dont want to go down that route of progressing with those used some those people. So ive used some alternative and alternative therapies to try and shnnk alternative therapies to try and shrink mass and its the shrink this mass and its the hill ill die on. Im dead before i go anywhere near those services again. Absolutely. Trust nhs is so youre trust in the nhs is gone. Zilch. Zilch. Zilch. Zilch. Zilch. Zilch. Do you think its a cultural issue within the organisation . I mean, i dont know. Um. I mean, i dont know. Its an organisation that has made lots of wonderful people. I made lots of wonderful people. I dont question those dont want to question those people dont want to question those pe0|to the experiences ive been due to the experiences ive been through and the aftercare , i through and the aftercare, i cant visit again. Tripadvisor nil stars. You got, you got this build up of mass and it was infected. Yeah. You could have died of sepsis. I had sepsis. I presented with sepsis. And they didnt believe my story when i went in. At first it was only when they got records from the got my medical records from the gp said, oh, right, gp that they said, oh, right, yeah, this is. This crazy. Yeah, this is. This is crazy. How you feeling on and how are you feeling on a day how you feeling . All right. I mean, im all right. I mean, im all right. You know, like im definitely not full health, im not in full health, but im definitely than not in full health, but im dwas tely than not in full health, but im dwas two than not in full health, but im dwas two years than not in full health, but im dwas two years ago. Than not in full health, but im dwas two years ago. And than not in full health, but im dwas two years ago. And every i was two years ago. And every day new day, isnt it . Yes. Day is a new day, isnt it . Yes. View about so what is your view about children are offered support children who are offered support to its to transition on whether its puberty indeed puberty blockers or indeed operations . Operations . My view is that obviously these people presenting, they have a problem and its that their gender does maybe not match their birth sex. The first thing i would say is, john, money actually invented the concept of gender in 1955. So were people into were putting people into manufactured boxes to begin with. So cordoned off, id say if we really to think if we really do have to think about pathways, the about medical pathways, the first thing we really need to do is just look at the Mental Health side, look inside. Health side, look at the inside. I at im choosing health side, look at the inside. I choosing at im choosing health side, look at the inside. I choosing at change,osing im choosing not to change, change back. And thats because, you know, however much i change my anatomy , it never changes my my anatomy, it never changes my brain. It never changes my heart. And if theres things that are upsetting or destroy upsetting me or destroy me inside, going inside, theyre still going to destroy me. If they build me a fake yeah and thats the fake penis. Yeah and thats the way. I fully respect anyone way. But i fully respect anyone that does choose to. Think a child has so you think if a child has gender should so you think if a child has gen some should so you think if a child has gen some psychologicalshould so you think if a child has gen some psychological support so you think if a child has gen counsellingylogical support so you think if a child has gen counselling and cal support so you think if a child has gen counselling and just,|pport so you think if a child has gen counselling and just, yourt and counselling and just, you know, wheres your head at rather here come the rather than just here come the pills. Pills. I, i never want to take anything away from child. Anything away from a child. I just think that looking at the new private sector, gender clinics that are opening up on the post tavistock where the market post tavistock where we had two year Mental Health sort of investigations with the children before we got started. Im very worried now that children are going to be able to get on puberty get their hands on puberty blockers very quickly, briefly, because for hours. Because we could talk for hours. You identify as a female . Yeah. Well. Well, i mean, i do well. Well, i mean, i do because i was, you know, it was only because i changed at 20. You considered identifying as. No im just a person. I mean, everyones just a person. Youre a a person. Were a person. Im a person. Were all youre sophie. All people. Youre sophie. Im sophie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We like sophie. Let me and we like sophie. Let me tell you. I you, too, sophie. I like you, too, sophie. I like you, too, sophie. Smashing it. My my computer i like you, too, sophie. broken. Ing it. My my computer i like you, too, sophie. broken. With . My my computer i like you, too, sophie. broken. With ally my computer i like you, too, sophie. broken. With ally mjemailther is broken. With all the emails coming what a coming in to say. What a remarkable and inspirational woman you are, alison, i salute your attitude to from your brave attitude to come from this sake of other people who feel confused. And thats from feel confused. And thats from alison. You are a remarkable person great strength , says person of great strength, says another. Certainly are another. You most certainly are. What about the future then . Whats next for you . I just want keep on i just want to keep on talking. Try and make talking. I want to try and make sure that we review the medical pathways so that weve got informed. And i pathways so that weve got informed. And i dont informed consent. And i dont know where lifes going to take me from there. Im deeply honoured that you came to mark tonight to came on to mark dolan tonight to tell there are tell your story. And there are many that to engage with many that want to engage with you. Heres you reach many that want to engage with you to heres you reach many that want to engage with you to sophie. Eres you reach many that want to engage with you to sophie. Eres canyou reach many that want to engage with you to sophie. Eres can writeeach out to sophie. They can write anything, really anything, cant they . Really send anything . Anything, cant they . Really senim anything . Anything, cant they . Really senim northern. G . Im northern. Im northern. A support you and im northern. Can a support you and im northern. Can possibly port you and im northern. Can possibly haveyou and im northern. Can possibly have similar they can possibly have similar stories. Stories. F f so here is the email. If youd like to get in touch with sophie inquiries. Sophie and its in inquiries. Inquiries at sophies story. Com. Thats two ss in the middle. So inquiries at sophies story. Com well shove it on the screen. Oh there it is. Well done. Well done. Cal there you go. At the bottom of the screen. Sophie, are privileged to meet you. Come and again soon. The and see us again soon. The remarkable and and see us again soon. The remdad, le and and see us again soon. The remdad, by and and see us again soon. The rem dad, by the and and see us again soon. The remdad, by the who and and see us again soon. The remdad, by the who her her dad, by the way, who is her chauffeur best friend. Okay, chauffeur and best friend. Okay, lets a look at some lets have a look at some of these coming in in these emails coming in in response my a big story response to my chat. A big story special. And lets see what we have so many emails coming in. Kathy says this. This was in the 70s, possibly before it happened to a baby boy in america. Well, i think that name popped up as we said, steve, what a remarkable woman. Sophie is so brave to tell her story. Okay, brave to tell her story. Okay, brilliant, brilliant. Lets now get response to this remark story from journalist and broadcaster linda jubilee speaker and former secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward , and author and Shaun Woodward, and author and social commentator adrian hayes. Well adrian, a remarkable story and a remarkable courage to talk about it on national tv. Yeah and i take my hat off like most of your email correspondents have done, of telling a story. The article is fascinating because she went through a lot of pain over the last 15 years. In fact, a lot of pain from when she hormones. She started taking hormones. She says you know, says she writes this, you know, im sort of three im left with sort of three points, that that the points, really, that that the whole argument gender whole argument about gender being. And being learned or innate. And thatis being learned or innate. And that is a debate we could talk all night for next few years all night for the next few years that one. But the second one, the choices and consequences there consequence to all there are consequence to all these work, the hormones she was taking, disrupting her whole body system, the sepsis she got , the pain, the trauma, the Mental Health problems. You know, without know, nothing comes without consequence weve consequence. And i think weve got take these this whole got to take these this whole thing very seriously. But the thing very seriously. But the third hope think third thing i hope and i think she has because she comes over as accepting, is as a remarkably accepting, is looking gift in every looking for the gift in every circumstance. Yes. Looking for the gift in every circandtance. Yes. Looking for the gift in every circand sean yes. Looking for the gift in every circand sean , yes. Looking for the gift in every circand sean , seanyes. Looking for the gift in every circand sean , Sean Woodward, the and sean, Sean Woodward, the medics that predestined her life dont come across very well in this story, do they . This story, do they . Look, i just want to just join in and just say, first of all, youre somewhat speechless at the end of hearing someone like sophie speak, because shes speaking from the heart. Shes speaking from the heart. Shes speaking with the most incredible authority on this subject. And its, you know , a subject. And its, you know, a word that gets, i think, overused , but its absolutely overused, but its absolutely right. Shes awesome. I mean, to have the courage to come on and talk like this and share it, i think what i find myself thinking about, think what i find myself thinking about , though, as thinking about, though, as i listen to her, sophie, is what was this urge. Listen to her, sophie, is what was this urge. In listen to her, sophie, is what was this urge. In 1986 for such was this urge. In 1986 for such secrecy . Yes. The why did the secrecy . Yes. The why did the medical profession say to sophies parents, you must never tell your child. And why was tell your child. And why was everybody be conspiring in this huge secret . Right. And yet not huge secret . Right. And yet not so secret , actually, that on a so secret, actually, that on a doctors notes there werent all those bits of information that when sophie was 22, by complete chance, she comes across and reads and i find myself thinking, mark, you know , if we thinking, mark, you know, if we thinking, mark, you know, if we think about adoption different issue altogether , but by that issue altogether, but by that time the mid 1980s, there was a consensus that actually you have to be honest with the child and the child needs to know theyve been adopted and they need to have choices. They can make when theyre adult. If they theyre an adult. If they want to and their their natural to find and their their natural parents. Sophie was denied any of these choices at that time. And i am completely mystified about what anyone thought the value of this conspiracy and secrecy could possibly have given sophie well, i and whats amazing is that shes grabbed it to turned it on its head and said , im going to make said, im going to make something of all this. Something of all this. Stephanie, linda, seans put the nail on the head. There hasnt he . It was just a terrible conspiracy against a person whose life was , in the person whose life was, in the end predestined by what was done to her. I think whats really shocking because i read a little bit behind this now is that apparently it was quite a junior surgeon that was responsible for the operation. And thats the difference maybe with what happened then and what can happened then and what can happen now. I think these issues are very , very complex. This is are very, very complex. This is are very, very complex. This is a complex medical condition. There are other medical conditions like this. And conditions like this. And similar surgery has been performed where there has been a medical accident. Actually caused by the surgeon. But what would happen now is that a team of people might get together to decide upon what exactly the right course of action is. And thats different to what happenedin thats different to what happened in 1986. Having said that , that i think that sophie that, that i think that sophie obviously is a remarkable person. And shes shes completely right when she says, im sophie, she, you know, im a decent human being. And thats actually what counts. And in this whole debate about transgender care and ive said this before on this program , um, what we all this program, um, what we all need to realise is what we want is decent people around us and we dont want to rant and rave and polarise this discussion. And i think sophies helped that tonight. Well put. Well put. The emails are coming in thick and fast. Oh, my god. Mark i just want to give sophie the biggest hug. Bless her accepting her parents. Her for accepting her parents. Made any decisions in her best interests. And moving on. Thats from many emails get to from gina. So many emails get to them shortly. Coming them very shortly. But coming up, been asking you in an up, weve been asking you in an exclusive dolan tonight, exclusive mark dolan tonight, peoples was liz truss peoples poll was liz truss right when she said we have only ten years to save the west . The ten years to save the west . The results are in. Ill reveal that after the break. Plus, is britain heading for Hung Parliament . Ill be asking my mark meets guest a man whos been described as the worlds leading expert uk leading expert on the Uk Parliament. Plus, hes written a book about the 1922 committee. A fascinating guy. Book about the 1922 committee. A fascinating guy. Hes next emails coming in off the back of my remarkable interview with Sophie Ottaway. I cannot tell you what an inspiring woman she is. A total hero, says robert. Is. A total hero, says robert. Keep those emails coming. Mark gbnews. Com. Weve been gb news. Com. Weve been conducting gbnews. Com. Weve been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight peoples poll. Ive been asking is liz truss right that we have only ten years to save the west . Well, the results are in 74. 5 say yes. Liz truss is right, whilst 25. 5 say no, she is wrong. Now 25. 5 say no, she is wrong. Now coming up in my take at ten, ill be dealing with wind power which looks to have run out of puff. But first my mark meets guest. Very excited about guest. Very excited about tonights mark meets a top author, academic and conservative peer who has been described as the United Kingdoms greatest living expert on parliament and a World Authority on constitutional issues. He is authority on constitutional issues. He is the authority on constitutional issues. He is the professor of issues. He is the professor of government and director of the centre for legislative studies at the university of hull , and at the university of hull, and hes written or edited upwards of 32 books, and his latest is this one. Its all about the Influential Group of tory backbenchers, the 1922 committee and it is called power behind the scenes. Its available for the scenes. Its available for pre order now and its out next month. And the right honourable professor, the lord norton of louth, philip norton, joins me now. Can i call you philip or will i get sent to the tower . Well, if you do my full title, thatll be the end of the interview, isnt it . Likely, i most, most likely, i hope i got it right. Well come got most of it right. Well come to fascinating to your fascinating book at the moment, has a bumpy moment, westminster has a bumpy history comes to hung history when it comes to Hung Parliaments, it . Do parliaments, doesnt it . Do you think another one is coming next year . Not necessarily. Year . Not necessarily. It may do. I mean, quite often you get predictions of Hung Parliaments , which are far Hung Parliaments, which are far more than actual hung more numerous than actual Hung Parliament. So you never know how the electorate will vote. Is it my prejudice that we dont do well with them because we know on the continent that essentially its always Hung Parliaments . Depends parliaments . Yes, it depends what criteria are for what your criteria are for determining whether you do well. Sort of stability in is it sort of stability in policy or is it an Accountable Government actually is government that actually is elected a particular elected on a particular programme can programme on which it can deliver and which then be deliver and which can then be held accountable the next held accountable at the next election . Have election . Because if you have a coalition and theres no one entity, of course the last coalition and you had post election Bargaining Coalition agreement for which nobody definitive had voted. So there is an argument that coalitions are relatively stable , they Reach Agreement. , they Reach Agreement. But theres an issue, id say, of from the point of view of accountability. So it depends on your criteria. Criteria. But relatively speaking, we have few given the number of clear results we have where one party has returned with an absolute majority of seats or the other preference which parties tend to go for, of course is minority government rather than coalition government. Many of my viewers and listeners and youll be aware with this concept, term with this concept, this term politically homeless. Thats how politically homeless. Thats how many feel. You think many of them feel. Do you think that system plays that our electoral system plays a role in that, given the fact that if you do vote for a smaller party, youre unlikely that if you do vote for a snelect party, youre unlikely that if you do vote for a snelect an ty, youre unlikely that if you do vote for a snelect an mpyoure unlikely that if you do vote for a snelect an mp . Ure unlikely to elect an mp . Well, nature of the well, by the nature of the parties , given our electoral parties, given our electoral system, which winner takes system, which is a winner takes all, two parties. All, it encourages two parties. Adversarial conflict between the two. So each tends to be largely a catch all party rather than lots of specific parties that can cater for very particular tastes. Of course, when you get tastes. Of course, when you get that situation, the danger is the point. I touched on earlier potentially post election bargaining between different parties to Reach Agreement coming up with something which nobody voted. So tell me about this book that youve written, 1922 committee. Was just on amazon today. I was just on amazon today. You already pre order it. You can already pre order it. Its month. Its its out next month. Its a fascinating its an important structure, isnt it . Does it . Structure, isnt it . Does it . Its all tory mps, isnt it . Is that right . No, its all conservative private members in receipt of the conservative whip. So the leader is not a member. And when in government ministers are not members, although now they can attend. And why is it important . I mean, they they are involved. Mean, they they are involved. They run the leadership elections, dont they . Yes. But outside that , whats their outside of that, whats their role . Are they important . Role . Why are they important . Multifunctional body its a multifunctional body because much happens because so much happens behind the we see the public the scenes. We see the public face of parliament, which is what the chamber what happens on the Chamber Committee rooms. But so much happens private space, the happens in private space, the sort of parliamentary parties happens in private space, the sort indeediamentary parties happens in private space, the sort indeed informal parties happens in private space, the sort indeed informal space as happens in private space, the sort indeed informal space where and indeed informal space where members informally. So a lot members mix informally. So a lot of discussion goes on within the parliamentary parties. Its parliamentary parties. Its invaluable for Information Exchange for socialisation for leaders and ministers to mobilise support and indeed protect their policies if they come under attack. I cant wait to get my hands on the book because its full of the history of this fascinating organisation. Grouping organisation. This this grouping of backbenchers, you of tory backbenchers, as you say, have whip. Theres say, that have the whip. Theres that sexist expression, isnt there . Philip happy wife , happy there . Philip happy wife, happy life, i suppose, for a conservative leader or conservative leader or conservative Prime Minister. Happy 1922, happy life. That would be the case because since it acquired the capacity to elect because before 1965, leaders emerged and the 22 didnt really play a major role, theres a myth about men in grey suits. The leaders of 22 going and telling a leader time was that that never happened. But it that that never happened. But it became very powerful since, and even more powerful, not so much because it elect is involved because it can elect is involved in election , but of course in the election, but of course its the power removing its got the power of removing a leader. And thats what really gives clout. Weve gives it the clout. As weve seen over the past, weve heard so much from them. Lord norton, let me tell you, the available for the book is available for pre order. Do check out. It pre order. Do check it out. It is called the 1922 committee power. Behind the scenes. Power behind. Behind the scenes. My thanks to philip norton. Lots more to come. A busy 10 00 hour. But first up, here is your weather. For looks like but first up, here is your weather. For looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to our latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So theres been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms forms around throughout today and they will continue during tonight. And this is because low pressure is starting to dominate the uk weather clearing away that High Pressure we saw during last week. So into this evening. Then week. So into this evening. 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In my take at ten, with no interest from private companies to invest in unsightly and inefficient wind farms , the case for flaky wind farms, the case for flaky renewables is running out of puff as she set to release a new book was liz truss right all along . And is there just ten years to save the west as per the title of her book . Plus, will keir starmer stop the boats if he becomes Prime Minister . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker, the formidable and widdecombe plus tomorrows newspaper. Front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonights top pundits , an tonights top pundits, an absolutely packed show. Lots to get through. You wont want to miss my take at ten wind power. Ill be dealing with that after the News Headlines and Polly Middlehurst. Middlehurst. Well, thank you. Good evening. Well, the government has announced tonight its sending an Emergency Response team to morocco following fridays earthquake. The foreign secretary, James Cleverly , says secretary, James Cleverly, says the uk is deploying 60 search and rescue specialist. Its. As and rescue specialist. Its. As well as four rescue dogs to the nonh well as four rescue dogs to the north african country, more than 2100 people have died after the 6. 8 magnitude quake struck remote areas of the Atlas Mountains with aftershocks today causing more uncertainty and danger. Causing more uncertainty and danger. King causing more uncertainty and danger. King charles sent his condolences , saying he could not condolences, saying he could not describe the depths of his sadness and sorrow at the appalling tragedy. Now daniel appalling tragedy. Now Daniel Khalife has been charged with escape in custody after four days on the run from the authorities. The 21 year old authorities. The 21 year old escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry from wandsworth prison on wednesday. He was tackled from his bicycle on a canal towpath in northolt, west london, by a Police Officer yesterday. Hell west london, by a Police Officer yesterday. Hell appear at Westminster Magistrate Court tomorrow. Meanwhile the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have been moved out of the prison amid an investigation into caliphs escape. Alex chalk into caliphs escape. Alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded but promises the government is doing all it can to provide resources. And that comes as an inmate at the prison was stabbed this afternoon. The man was taken to hospital where he remains in a critical condition. The tuc is reporting the government to the United Nations over a new uk law requiring staff to work during strike action. The tucs general secretary says the legislation falls far short of International Standards , as the government standards, as the government says the law protects the lives of the public, such as in cases of the public, such as in cases of doctors strikes and it recently announced a consultation on how the law will be enacted and the news coming to us in the last hour, the Spanish Football Federation president , luis rubiales, says he will resign following the controversy over him kissing a player at the womens world cup. The 46 year old kiss, Jenni Hermoso on the lips during the ceremony presentation following spains victory over england in last months world cup final. But the midfielder said the kiss was not concern sensual. In an interview with piers morgan, rubiales said he could not continue with his work. And continue with his work. And finally , sir mo farah has finally, sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run, the four time olympic champion said it had been an amazing journey. He was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds as he crossed the finish line. The sports star finish line. The sports star announced earlier this year that the time had finally come for him to move on from running. Him to move on from running. Ulez gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news this britains news. This is britains news. Channel many thanks there to the brilliant Polly Middlehurst who is back in an hours time. Welcome to mark dolan tonight as she set to release a new book, was liz truss right all along and is there just ten years to save the west as per the title of the book . Plus, will keir starmer stop the boats if he becomes Prime Minister . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker for the formidable ann widdecombe. The formidable ann widdecombe. Plus, tomorrows newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonights top pundits. Journalist and broadcaster linda jubilee speaker and former secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward , and author and Shaun Woodward, and author and social commentator adrian hayes. Plus, theyll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes, a packed hour and those papers are coming. But first, my take. At ten this will first, my take. At ten this will put the wind up you this week. Not a Single Energy company submitted a bid in the governments annual offshore wind auction despite offering higher subsidies prices. In short, no one wants to buy into the wind energy market. Youd have more success selling jemmy saviles old track suits. My former colleague andrew neil put it well. He tweeted on the day when a government auction fails to produce any new investment in wind power because it wont guarantee a high enough, i. E. Subsidy price. Existing wind subsidy price. Existing wind power is currently. Providing power is currently. Providing o. 3 power is currently. Providing 0. 3 of our electricity needs. 0. 3. You heard me right. He goes on to say , obviously the wind on to say, obviously the wind has gone on strike in response to the disastrous auction, predictable screams of derision from shadow climate secretary ed miliband , a man who almost miliband, a man who almost destroyed the labour party and is now going to do the same with our energy policy. We should labour win power. Heres what he tweeted. He said, breaking no new offshore wind projects in the uk this year. This is an Energy Security disaster for our country, he says. The conservatives have trashed the crown jewels of the British Energy system. Their failure will add £1 billion tory bombshell to Household Energy bills. However, top economist bills. However, top economist Sean Richards school schooled miliband in the facts. Sean Richards School schooled miliband in the facts. As he miliband in the facts. As he said, nobody seems to have told ed miliband that uk wind farm Electric City in total is 0. 26gw. Now as i type this so his Energy Security key is hot air. If youre kind or a lie if youre less so, god knows where he got that £1 billion number from. Of course, this is the from. Of course, this is the same labour party that have said that they will ban all future oil and gas licences in the nonh oil and gas licences in the north sea. This as it emerges that were now paying norway for £14 billion a year for gas , even £14 billion a year for gas, even though we have these Precious Resource leases on our own shores. Its like the saudis shores. Its like the saudis buying sand or the dutch buying stars. Weve signed a deal to buy shale gas from america as well. You just you couldnt make well. You just you couldnt make it up. Sunak has rightly said that hell grant hundreds of new oil and gas licences and this should be an important debating point at the next election. After all, this isnt just about the economy or the cost of living crisis. Energy security is national security. Meanwhile former governor of the bank of england, mervyn king, who saved this country from economic armageddon during the credit crunch , has said an obsession crunch, has said an obsession with net zero has fuelled inflation. He said that britains influence on achieving global net zero emissions is negligible and the government places too much emphasis on arbitrary dates banning petrol and diesel cars as well as gas boilers , whilst raising serious boilers, whilst raising serious concerns about climate change. Concerns that i share as well. He has said that this blind push for net zero with no debates and no cost benefit analysis , has no cost benefit analysis, has become a quasi religious cult. How right he is , they are how right he is, they are a bunch of cults. Meanwhile amid a bunch of cults. Meanwhile amid a backdrop of uncertainty around green energy, this increasingly illiberal author authoritarian conservative government have signed net zero into law, threatening brits with jail if their home is not eco compliant and allowing the authorities to enter your home with force to install a smart metre debateable science. Smashing the economy, science. Smashing the economy, telling people how to live the media on board with one narrow message industry, having the answer. All of this has worrying echoes of the pandemic in which, in my view, a failed attempt to stop a seasonal respiratory virus has left us with a diminished, poorer, sick country and a generation of damaged kids. I fear that were going to make the same mistakes all over again with net zero on wind power. How about this verdict power. How about this verdict from Science Writer matt ridley in todays telegraph. He said the cost of subsidising wind is vast. The mining of minerals and pounng vast. The mining of minerals and pouring concrete that is required for a wind farm to have a huge pollution impact and a massive Carbon Footprint is outrageous. Voters know wind outrageous. Voters know wind farms are a futile gesture and they will now punish the tories accordingly. The refusal of accordingly. The refusal of private enterprise to invest in wind power in this country, even with the help of huge state subsidies, tells you everything you need to know about the viability of this unsightly , viability of this unsightly, noisy bird shredding tech , noisy bird shredding tech, energy, wind power has lost its puff and the race to net zero is running out of steam. Whats running out of steam. Whats your reaction, mark at gbnews. Com the majority of climate scientists would argue that wind and solar is the answer. No. Carbon emissions. The planet is heating up and we must act. That is what they would say. Its not my view, but what is yours . Ill get to your email shortly. Lets hear from my top pundits tonight. Journalist broadcaster linda journalist and broadcaster linda jubilee , former secretary jubilee, former secretary of state Northern Ireland, state for Northern Ireland, shaun and social Shaun Woodward, and social commentator adrian hayes. Linda jubilee wind power has run out of puff. Well i think it has for the time being, but were in extremely choppy economic waters right now. And quite frankly , what and quite frankly, what really troubles people and whats going to make their minds up when they get to the polling booths next year is obviously the economy. We have to get into calmer economic waters before we start thinking about any of this. Now, i do think that Younger Voters are likely to be compelled to vote with the whoever gives them a Strong Energy agenda. But at the end of energy agenda. But at the end of the day, we cant keep focusing on net zero all the time at the expense of other things. We simply have to deal with the economy right now because people are really suffering. Well listen, i hear what youre saying, adrian hayes. Im all for getting those Carbon Emissions down. I want to address this issue of rising global temperatures. But net global temperatures. But net zero does not add up. Zero does not add up. Net zero doesnt add up, mark. And i dispute the more i read from scientists like patrick moore, the founder of greenpeace, brian qatar , and greenpeace, brian qatar, and many, many others who dispute the Carbon Dioxide temperature correlation. Even so. But correlation. Even so. But putting that aside, because we all want. Im a passionate environmental artist myself, and ive said it on this show before, but net zero is not environmentalism. What environmentalism. What environmentalism. What environmental is far more wider things. But environmental is far more wider things. But on on the issue of wind , wind, weve got the wind, wind, weve got the highest number of Wind Turbines in europe. In the whole of europe. I believe we were ahead of we were ahead of china briefly as the number wind nation number one wind powered nation in the world. Yet our Energy Prices are and yet our Energy Prices are highest of of highest in europe of most of most wind most countries in europe, wind is not cheap and never will be. And matt ridley put and as matt ridley aptly put in today, the cost in the telegraph today, the cost of things, the of producing these things, the waste, the disposal problems of these the cost of these blades, the cost of getting wind where its getting wind from where its produced people live, produced to where people live, all vast. That goes all these are vast. That goes back choices back to this choices and consequences. Theres no cheap free were putting free energy if were putting subsidies into net zero, we should putting it into should be putting it into nuclear particular, Nuclear Energy in particular, rolls royce, small modular reactors. Thats where the reactors. Thats where the future lies. Future lies. What do you think about this, Sean Woodward . Are those wind farms in the sea, White Elephants . Elephants . Look, the next election is not going to be decided on a discussion of net zero or turbines or wind farms. Its going to be, as lindas rightly pointed out , going to be, as lindas rightly pointed out, its going to be, as lindas rightly pointed out , its pretty much pointed out, its pretty much determined already. The countrys decided that this government needs to go. Its government needs to go. Its incompetent and it cant run the economy and the cost of living crisis is extremely serious. Economy and the cost of living crisis is extremely serious. But there is another issue here, which is what this touches on, which is what this touches on, which is what this touches on, which is we are going to run out of fossil fuels. Were going to run out of gas and oil. Of fossil fuels. Were going to run out of gas and oil. And we run out of gas and oil. And we are eventually going to have to actually have alternatives. Now, actually have alternatives. Now, whether this ends up being Wind Turbines or whether its nuclear or whatever the various forms it might take, the responsibility of all governments and all parties is to actually start thinking about whats the future supply of energy in this country. And i think what everybody will respect here is were not going to even if we put every everywhere in the country had a turbine , it country had a turbine, it wouldnt solve everything next week because you cant do it that this is something that quickly. This is something thats got to be done over decades but debate needs to decades. But the debate needs to happen now. So, mark, youre right to want to us have right to want to make us have this debate about Wind Turbines. But we mustnt lose sight but what we mustnt lose sight of is that there isnt a long term future with fossil fuels. Term future with fossil fuels. And on that we can agree, i think an energy mix would be the right thing Going Forward. But whats your has wind power whats your view . Has wind power run of puff market run out of puff market gbnews. Com. My brilliant pundits are back at 1030 for the papers, but next as she to release but next as she set to release a new book was liz truss right all along and is there just ten years to save the west as per the title of her book . Plus will sir keir starmer stop the boats if he becomes Prime Minister . If he becomes Prime Minister . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker , the formidable ann newsmaker, the formidable ann widdecombe, and annes radio. Well, a big reaction to my take at ten has the wind rather let us down . Has the puff gone out of wind energy . This from john. Hi, mark. How ironic it is that the eclipse out there where nick clegg in the 2010 coalition often said that building a Nuclear Power station will not come online until 2022 and it will take too long. Well, here we are in 20, 23 years away from a Nuclear Power station whilst hes in california , living it up hes in california, living it up on his facebook salary. Thank you for that. Youre absolutely right. Brenda says yes, wind power has definitely run out of puff. We need nuclear, says brenda. Shes very, very clear about that. Ill get to more of about that. Ill get to more of your emails shortly. We just one your emails shortly. We just one more from valerie on wind power. Weve known for ten years that wind power is not the way. Whats the point of net zero when the rest of the world is pumping out carbon . Were surrounded sea that ebbs surrounded by the sea that ebbs and flows. Surely that is the way to go. Brilliant thanks for those emails. I get two more of them at 10 30 when the papers arrive, but its time now for the newsmaker. And tonight, liz the newsmaker. And tonight, liz truss has said that her premiership was wrecked by pushing back against a left wing orthodoxy that has captured the west. The former prime orthodoxy that has captured the west. The former Prime Minister insisted that her tax cutting agenda only failed because there wasnt enough support for conservative ideas within the establishment. Truss also took aim at joe biden, accusing him of seeking to export socialist Economic Policy to europe and the uk. Truss also singled out the uk. Truss also singled out the bank of england and the office for budget responsibility as having been captured and said that quangos have become overly powerful. She said the tories have been wrong to get rid of bofis have been wrong to get rid of Boris Johnson and she took aim at rishi sunak, saying that taxes are too high and the government for government is too big for britain to thrive economically. So has she been proved right . Is she the greatest Prime Minister that got away . And are there that got away . And are there just ten years to save the west as per the title of her forthcoming book . Lets get the views now of tonights newsmaker broadcast. Our author, former government minister and definitely the best Prime Minister we never had. And widdecombe and even the germans are cutting taxes by ,32 billion to boost their economy. Has liz to boost their economy. Has liz truss won the argument . Truss won the argument . Well, i think she was always right that the secret lay in growth and that, of course one of the big drivers of growth is a low tax base. So mean. I think that was absolutely right. But one does have to say that she mishandled the whole thing. She mishandled the whole thing. I mean, not only did she try to do too much in one go and did spook the markets, but even going back to when she appointed her cabinet, she didnt appoint any of her enemies. And that is the most basic political mistake you can make, because when you are under pressure, you need people in your cabinet who rely on you for their position and will therefore keep their supporters on the backbench in line. She didnt do that. It was idiotic to just send a message to the rest of the party saying unless you supported me throughout, youve got no future. That was the message she sent. It was daft. Well i agree. I agree, anne, because what you do is you lose great talent. Then dont you . Partisan cabinets dont work, Boris Johnson made a similar mistake. Arguably possibly. Arguably possibly. But i mean, i think if you look back at, say, the thatcher cabinet, you know , you had cabinet, you know, you had giants like ken clarke who werent of mrs. Thatchers viewpoint, but who took on the Health Service and reformed it, the education service, the prison service. You know, he was never idle. As soon as he was in office, he did things and we had giants in those days. And now im sorry we got big miss and what do you what do you think about trusss point that there is essentially a left wing blob that runs the country , whoever that runs the country, whoever is in power. Is in power. Is that an overstatement . Is that an overstatement . Is that an overstatement . It may be a slight overstatement, but i think that there is no doubt at all that there is no doubt at all that the has been a long march through the institutions and that we do now have in positions of seniority people who are woke, people who are left wing, people who see things from that perspective. And it comes down perspective. And it comes down to a lack of professionalism. Now, if you are for example, a senior Civil Servant, theyre all part of the problem. If youre a senior Civil Servant, professionally , you stay professionally, you stay absolutely neutral. You do absolutely neutral. You do whatever the government wants to implement. You warn and advise ministers if you think theyre getting it wrong. But at the end of the day, you serve them. The of the day, you serve them. The clue is in the word Civil Servant and that is what you do and that is what the Civil Service used to do and certainly did during my time. So its only the last 20 odd years that all thats gone and this goes beyond our shores, doesnt it . Do you agree with liz truss that the west itself and the values of liberal democracy and open free markets are under increasing threats . Increasing threats . I think were certainly going through a period when theyre under increasing threat. Yes. I dont know that i think that thatis dont know that i think that that is any more significant than it was during the cold war , for example. What were , for example. But what were talking about security , let me talking about security, let me take the term quite literally and ask how on earth we can defend ourselves when actually it would probably take weeks even for the army to stand to. I mean, we are that week indeed. Mean, we are that week indeed. So, anne, you raise a good point about the defence budget, which surely must increase in this ever increasing world of, of threats. Yes. And sir keir of threats. Yes. And sir keir starmer will this week launch a bid to paint labour as the party to get illegal immigration under control . The labour leader, were told, will outline plans to smash criminal gangs which smuggle people in to the uk. Hes going to bring order to the border so what do you think about this . Hes going to the hague on wednesday for a meeting with eu officials and europol and he thinks that labour can stop the boats, can they . No, stop the boats, can they . No, they absolutely cannot. And weve heard all this stuff before from labour governments about how they were going to be tough on immigration and how they were going to be able where able to handle it. Where we couldnt. Answer is of couldnt. And the answer is of course not going to stop couldnt. And the answer is of cou boats not going to stop couldnt. And the answer is of cou boats becauseing to stop couldnt. And the answer is of cou boats because so to stop couldnt. And the answer is of cou boats because so long op couldnt. And the answer is of cou boats because so long as the boats because so long as youve got a French Police force that not giving high that is not giving a high priority to stopping people trying to get to britain , as trying to get to britain, as long got a french navy long as youve got a french navy and a french sea rescue service, which just shepherds the boats toward us whenever they get into a problem. And so long as youve a problem. And so long as youve got a system in this country, which i havent heard keir starmer suggest any solutions to of not practising detention, not having National Identity cards, having National Identity cards, having a very flourishing underground economy that is why were so attractive. Its so easy to disappear in britain. I easy to disappear in britain. I havent heard keir starmer addressed that and that is the central issue because what you needis central issue because what you need is a deterrent. Need is a deterrent. However, perhaps , and perhaps however, perhaps, and perhaps Keir Starmers skills as a lawyer will help him because there are legal aspects to controlling illegal immigration. Of course there are by definition , perhaps hell build definition, perhaps hell build a relationship with our a better relationship with our european counterparts than this conservative government and also they couldnt do a worse job than the tories, could they . Than the tories, could they . Well, your third point is quite well made , actually. You quite well made, actually. You know, is it possible to do it worse . And i think the answer to thatis worse . And i think the answer to that is that it would be extremely difficult to make a worse of it. But that worse fist of it. But that doesnt that theyre going worse fist of it. But that do doflt that theyre going worse fist of it. But that do do any that theyre going worse fist of it. But that do do any better. It theyre going worse fist of it. But that do do any better. Andeyre going worse fist of it. But that do do any better. Andey donting to do any better. And i dont see any evidence that they are. See any evidence that they are. I mean, yes, im quite sure that keir starmer will go and grovel all over europe and apologise for the fact that we left the union and all the rest of it. Im sure he will do that, but it isnt actually going to make the europe any keener on keeping the problem that side of the channel than they are now. No. And of course, briefly. No. And of course, briefly. And many in the Labour Movement dont want to stop the boats anyway. A lot of is anyway. A lot of this is ideological. Ideological. Well, there is a huge ideological opposition to the idea of controlling immigration in the way that certainly i would like to do it. There is enormous opposition to that. And yes , that comes largely from the yes, that comes largely from the labour party. But what sort of labour party. But what sort of fist of the tories made . What sort of fist of the tories made . Honestly if youve had enough, then i would say dare to vote for change. And its always the highlight of the weekend. Ill see you in a weeks time. My thanks to former government minister ann widdecombe. Tomorrows front page first, page is on the way. First, heres weather. Heres your weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So theres been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms around throughout today and they will continue dunng today and they will continue during tonight. And this is during tonight. And this is because pressure is starting because low pressure is starting to the uk weather are to dominate the uk weather are clearing away that High Pressure. Saw during pressure. We saw during last week. Into this evening. Then week. So into this evening. Then showers and thunderstorm arms will continue for a while, but generally starting to clear out into the north sea, though lingering for a little longer across scotland and across southern scotland and clear spells in the east. But some mist, fog low cloud some mist, fog and low cloud developing. And thats all dunng developing. And thats all during another warm and fairly humid night. There will be some brightness to start monday , but brightness to start monday, but any mist, fog and low cloud will lift and break before more. We see this area of cloud and outbreaks of rain spreading southeast woods, maybe some heavy showers and thunderstorms for england and wales. Just ahead of that. But there will be some sunny spells, too. And feeling pleasant in the sunshine still, even though were not getting into the 30s, still the mid to high 20s for the highs on monday as we go into tuesday, that band of cloud and rain continues to make its way southeast was becoming a little heavier and slow moving as it comes across england and wales, but starting to see those winds come from the north across parts of scotland, england of scotland, Northern England and Northern Ireland. So starting cooler , but starting to feel cooler, but generally remaining changeable throughout the week. But most noticeably, temperatures noticeably, those temperatures dropping average , a dropping down to average, a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Coming up, tomorrows newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my pundits. Plus, theyll be nominating their headline heroes and page heroes of the day and back page heroes of the day. That is the papers my two day old body earlier on gb news radio. Gb news radio. Itsjust gb news radio. Its just gone 1030. So its time for this. Its just gone 1030. So its time for this. The there we are time for this. The there we are and weve got tomorrows papers. Lets have a look at the independent. Always worth a read. You know, im so old. I remember when it came out, if any of my pundits remember that it was i cant say its the papen it was i cant say its the paper. It once was, but thats just opinion. Sunak confronts just my opinion. Sunak confronts china over spy in parliament. Morocco mourns earthquake victims as the search for survivors goes on and an independent investigation revealed britains new policing shame, shocking new figures show 75 of officers accused of sex assaults and violence against women stay on the force. Now campaigners demand suspend them all. Metro pms china spy showdown down sunak warns beijing over interference as mps research are held. The eye newspaper for uk Interest Rate hikes set to end. Experts predict we can only hope. Daily mail a hostile acts in the heart of parliament. China was tonight accused of carrying out a hostile act in the heart of westminster after a parliamentary researcher was arrested on suspicion of spying on a diplomatic relations row has broken out between us and beijing with rishi sunak confronting chinas premier over his countrys unacceptable interference in british democracy. Also as she lights up democracy. Also as she lights up again. Has kate moss stubbed out the vapes . There you go. All the the vapes . There you go. All the breaking news in the daily mail for the financial times. Now the ft. Let me just find for the financial times. Now the ft. Let me just find a for the financial times. Now the ft. Let me just find a headline. Ft. Let me just find a headline. I understand. Okay. Sunak i understand. Okay. Sunak accuses china of interfering in britains parliamentary democracy. Again, that story and more images of the tragic earthquake in morocco. The earthquake in morocco. The guardian now says spain football boss finally quits after world cup kiss. The moroccan village cup kiss. The moroccan village where death came in the night. A piece by peter beaumont, their reporter. And how about this for reporter. And how about this for a shocking headline, 184,000 cancer cases in the uk this year were preventable. 184,000 cancer caused by smoking, drinking, obesity and sunburn leads to £40 billion a year in lost productivity, says the guardian. But also, of course, so much human tragedy with up to 200,000 people losing their lives needlessly to that awful disease. Last but not least for now, the daily star heatwave britain Great British punk off millions skip work in final autumn blast millions of staff are ditching work tomorrow to enjoy one last blast of the 28 c heatwave before temperatures finally start to cool. Well i dont know about you, but ive loved this late summer. Dont know about you, but ive loved this late summer. Okay, loved this late summer. Okay, well, lets get full pundit reaction to tomorrows papers. Reaction to tomorrows papers. Get to your email shortly as well. But i get to your email shortly as well. But i think youll agree weve got the dream team tonight. Linda jubilee journalist and broadcaster, also the star of the commons sense podcast. We have speaker, broadcaster, former secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward , and author and Shaun Woodward, and author and social commentator. He doesnt social commentator. He doesnt like to be called called a war hero, but hes a military man as well. Hes done all. Adrian well. Hes done it all. Adrian hayes lets get to some of these stories and look , shall we have stories and look, shall we have a bit of good news, sean. Uk a bit of good news, sean. Uk Interest Rate hikes set to end. Interest rate hikes set to end. This is essential, isnt it, for to us like bounce back as a country because Interest Rates another tax on people. Another tax on people. Its really, really important news. This is not about being a tory or a labour politician. This is about wanting the country to do well and wanting people to stop suffering. And very clearly Interest Rate hikes going up and up have absolutely crippled families in this country. So if it looks like weve reached the end of the line, maybe one more quarter point rise. But lets remember , point rise. But lets remember, thats still going to be 5. 5 as the base rate. And then the the base rate. And then the banks put their percentage rises on top of that. Will we ever get to the halcyon days of 1 or 2 deals again , i dont know if well get again, i dont know if well get to 1 or 2, but i think we if we get inflation beaten , then i do get inflation beaten, then i do think theres the prospect of getting to down 2, 2. 5. And i think thats probably going to be the new normal. But going to be the new normal. But look, look. What do you mean a base rate of 2 or do you mean actual mortgage offers of 3 . Mortgage offers of 2 to 3 . I think a base rate of 2. I think people so youre going to say for four and a half will be the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So 0. 5 base rate is unrealistic anyway. I mean, thats very, very low. Were thats very, very low. Were never going to go back to that point. And i guess as a policy, they perhaps want go back to that. No, no, because has its no, no, because that has its own problems. For own problems. News, we do look for good news, dont but dont like this dont we . But we dont like this story at all, adrian. A hostile act in the heart of parliament. Somebody potentially with links to the to beijing. To the to beijing. Youre on the mail headline. Yes. In the heart of in the heart of our democracy. Look, ive got two views. Look, we all every country in the world is spying in some way or or form , and its just or shape or form, and its just over or its covert. But this is the most overt one weve seen. And i just have to laugh. I mean, our systems up to mean, arent our systems up to sort identifying our security sort of identifying our security systems, our dbs, that identify someone whos worked in beijing, whos going to be actually spying on us . I find it incredible to believe. Can i just mention before we go, we must island must mention the love island store paper. Store on the same paper. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You for that. Oh, yeah. Becauseyu for that. Oh, yeah. Becauseyu for that miss love island . Middle aged love island, sean, linda sean, myself and linda all putting forward. We putting ourselves forward. We havent havent havent been applied. We havent been yet. But been asked to join it yet. But anyway. Anyway. First of all, seans well, first of all, seans too island. Too hot for love island. Lindas too hot for love island. Lindas too. Too young. Oh, no , hed be perfect. Oh, no, hed be perfect. Oh, no, hed be perfect. I think i think you would. You would melt their hearts. You would melt their hearts. Well, so what is middle aged love island for those that dont know love tell me know about love island, tell me more. Know about love island, tell me mo what is it about it . Its what is it about it . Its about for over 40. About for the over 40. Apparently theres a new series that over 40 are going to be putting their six packs or one packs on display around the minus, minus six. I think its a great idea because i think, you know, its been sort know, its all been these sort of young somethings. I think of young 20 somethings. I think its novel but its quite a novel idea. But i mean watch series mean, i did watch one series a few years but so the idea few years ago, but so the idea of love island, is it linda, youre very down the kids youre very down with the kids and showbiz love island and all that showbiz love island is a show where attractive young people are put on an island and encouraged to get up to no good. I was going to say fall in love with each other and have. But yeah, you know what i mean. I is the middle i do. So this is the middle aged, middle equivalent. Aged, middle aged equivalent. Its quite a quite a progressive move, isnt it . I think quite i think its quite interesting. And know, love i think its quite interest end and know, love i think its quite interest end just know, love i think its quite interest end just as know, love i think its quite interest end just as long w, love doesnt end just as long as we dont have to watch. I might i dont want i might not be i dont want heanng i might not be i dont want hearing about it each their hearing about it each to their own. Dont knock it till you tried it. How about this from it. Woodward how about this from the independent . Linda revealed britains new policing shame. Three quarters of Police Officers and staff accused of violence against women are not suspended by the force. This is suspended by the force. This is a real worry , isnt it, for the a real worry, isnt it, for the credibility of. Of our police forces. I think eventually the metropolitan police will have to be split up. I think its too be split up. I think its too big. The organisation is too big. The organisation is too big. The organisation is too big. When you get very big organisations, theres a lack of accountability and thats happening in several big organisations at the moment. But it is important to say here that its 12 of officers and staff being suspended after being accused of crimes. So you need to know what theyre being accused of in order to work out what the basis is for the suspension action. So id like to be able to read a little bit more about the independent investigation. Investigation. Well, thats the Million Dollar question, isnt it, sean . Do suspend people who face do you suspend people who face allegations or do wait until allegations or do you wait until theyve to their theyve been able to clear their name . Name . Im pretty nervous about the idea that if somebody bans around allegation that the around an allegation that the Immediate Response to that is that you suspend them your job because youve got to then recover from that. And it does recover from that. And it does invite potentially a culture in which we can make peoples lives very difficult because i can just suddenly say , well, mark just suddenly say, well, mark did this and now youre suspended tomorrow. Well, it sorted out equally. We dont sorted out equally. We dont want a culture where people behaving badly is tolerated. So there is a need for more proportionality in how we do this. I dont necessarily think it must be automatic suspension, but there needs to be some kind of Oversight Authority that if i make an accusation against you that very quickly is looked at and then a decision is made as to whether that warrants suspension. Yeah, i think thats thats the way to go. Fast track it to a decision. One point on this story, mark. I think the most surprising, unsurprising thing about this story or the most surprising about this surprising thing about this story is how unsurprising is story is how unsurprising it is. Because every day it seems, at least every week, there is a new misdemeanour, a new corruption, new scandal involving our police forces. And i think we were talking outside our whole trust in our whole institutions, our university, our education system, our nhs, our police. Its all tarred under same its all tarred under the same brush and our policing is such is has just gone into disrepute. And i feel sorry for the coppers involved because the vast majority do a great job. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Its the police chiefs, the college policing. Talk to college of policing. Talk to your retired detectives who . . The 7 the culture. The culture within the forces wrong, within the forces is wrong, isnt absolutely. Isnt it . Yeah, absolutely. Its. It is. Sorry to use its. And it is. Sorry to use the word the woke word, but its just progressive just coming. This progressive agenda. Just coming. This progressive agenda. It just say every week agenda. It just say every week something comes up i just something comes up which i just get get embroiled with anger. Sean, do you accept this accusation within accusation that policing within this country has become woke , this country has become woke, that its very politically correct, that its focussed on, you know, offensive facebook posts rather than really serious crime . Crime . No, not entirely. I mean, when i was secretary of state for Northern Ireland over those years , i had to, as it were, bed years, i had to, as it were, bed in the new psni that took the place of the ruc, the ruc. There were some good men and women in the ruc, of course , but the ruc the ruc, of course, but the ruc had long lost its credibility with the Peace Process , and with the Peace Process, and there was a feeling that we needed a new broom and the psni was born by saying policing is going to be different, and one because the community needed to believe in the force. Most importantly , crucially, at the importantly, crucially, at the heart the psni was the maxim heart of the psni was the maxim that good policing is based on Community Support, right . And i think whats been lost at the mat is the sense of goodwill and Community Support for it. Theres too much doubt on too many fronts. And if you rightly say there are so many good Police Officers, men and women doing an incredible job. So i do some Media Training for the Emergency Services and i frequently work with Police Officers , with fire officers, officers, with fire officers, with ambulance officers, and they are really decent, good people. And ive one particular friend , the husband of a very friend, the husband of a very close friend of mine whos a metropolitan former metropolitan policeman , theyre all great. Policeman, theyre all great. But problem youve got at but the problem youve got at the this, as say , the moment is this, as you say, sean, huge distrust just in sean, this huge distrust just in organisations in this country, which should be the very foundation of trust, and thats whats giving people the feeling that britain is broken. Its not necessary about i mean, i mean, Interest Rates are very important and discussion about the economy is very important. But there is a horrible feeling that now you cant trust people to get stuff done. Have we talked ourselves into this . No, we have not. Honestly, mark and i did our podcast yesterday and we interviewed James Sunderland , the mp for James Sunderland, the mp for bracknell. Really first class guy. I think the former commander of the bas rhin afghanistan. And he was talking things up and i said, look, weve got beyond that with the general public. Is general public. This is not a marketing exercise anymore. Its not what we talk, its not about what we talk, its about what we do. And the fact of the matter is the metropolitan police, the case report out came out months ago , report out came out months ago, but changes have but no significant changes have happened that have done enough to restore public trust. To restore public trust. Lets talk about changes, Sean Woodward, what do you anticipate as somebody thats sat in the house of commons will be the date of the next election . . I . I think lets 7 i think lets remember , weve i think lets remember, weve weve given back to the Prime Minister the right to call the election whenever he or she wants within the five year cycle. I think youd be a pretty strange creature as Prime Minister meaning rishi sunak , if minister meaning rishi sunak, if you thought you know what, im so cavalier, lets just have an election now and kind of make the best of it. I think what hes if i was him, my advice to him would be and think he him would be and i think he would be likely to be thinking this look, my best this anyway, look, my best chance show people what chance is to show people what i can im not going to have can do. Im not going to have the election on Christmas Day or new years day at the end of next year. But realistically , next year. But realistically, its october. I dont want to completely run out of runway to get the plane off the ground, but i want as power there but i want as much power there as i can possibly give to say to people, because i think this will be his argument. Look i took over from liz truss, who was the catastrophe i took over from Boris Johnson, whod lost your trust in my time in office, ihave your trust in my time in office, i have tried to rebuild trust in the conservative party. Weve the conservative party. Weve got inflation down. Were getting Interest Rates down. Were getting on top of the cost of living crisis. This is my of living crisis. This is my programme. If i of living crisis. This is my programme. If i win of living crisis. This is my programme. If i win the election programme. If i win the election for what i will then do with the economy , he needs as much time economy, he needs as much time to establish those whove been in the military. What about the element of surprise, adrian . He goes to the country in spring and says, look, not going be look, im not going to be hostage fortune. To going hostage to fortune. Im to going own this. Were going early because in qualities. Well, it didnt very qualities. Vfor, it didnt very qualities. Vfor theresa t very qualities. Vfor theresa may very qualities. Vfor theresa may when qualities. Vfor theresa may when she well for theresa may when she did that. So i think i think as shaun hell wait. Hes got shaun said, hell wait. Hes got to he needs time to get. Okay, well, m get. Okay, well, there you go. Let me thoughts. Margaret me know your thoughts. Margaret gbnews. Com. Papers next. Do gbnews. Com. More papers next. Do not anywhere brilliant stuff. Welcome back to the show. More front pages, live telly, folks. Youre welcome. By telly, folks. Youre welcome. By the way, can i just say that this weekend, its been so brilliant to have your company andifs brilliant to have your company and its been a really busy three shows with lots of technical challenges, all the rest i want to rest of it. So i really want to shout to and cal for shout out to jane and cal for doing a great job this doing such a great job this weekend making look easy, weekend and making it look easy, which let me tell aint which let me tell you, it aint okay. Lets have a look at the Times Newspaper now. And here is okay. Lets have a look at the timfront wspaper now. And here is okay. Lets have a look at the timfront page er now. And here is okay. Lets have a look at the timfront page revealed and here is okay. Lets have a look at the timfront page revealed spy here is the front page revealed spy suspect at the heart of power. Suspect at the heart of power. Chinese agents unmasked as a gps son who attended Public School and uses a dating app. His name is chris cash. Hes 28 and he was working for the chairwoman of the Foreign Affairs committee. But mps sanctioned by china said that they were in the dark about his alleged spying. There you go. We alleged spying. There you go. We have our man folks. It is chris cash. Have our man folks. It is chris cash. The games finally up for cash. The games finally up for spanish football chief after kiss and nhs revolt looms over our physician associates. This our physician associates. This is the a revolt by doctors and its going to disrupt plans to plug its going to disrupt plans to plug nhs workforce gaps by getting non medics to take on some of their tasks. Why cant we have some less qualified medics doing some of the heavy lifting if that helps with patient care . Whats not to like 7 patient care . Whats not to like . Also, the poll , right . So we . Also, the poll, right . So we have the results of an exclusive mark dolan tonight poll. All mark dolan tonight poll. All weve been asking you a very simple question. If labour win simple question. If labour win the next election, will they stop the boats . If the results stop the boats . If the results are in and i can tell you that 93 say that keir starmer would not stop the boats. 7 say that he would. Lets get to emails on he would. Lets get to emails on that. Robin says hi, mark starmer will simply declare a moratorium on all existing immigrants and the left and the eu will stop him banning any more, says robin. How about this more, says robin. How about this from pamela . Mark i disagree with sean. I feel rishi sunak is going nowhere. I feel hes weak and cannot and will not make the hard need for our hard decisions we need for our country. Antonio that labour country. Antonio that labour ex minister on your programme talks utter rollocks. I would not trust labour to run a bath, let alone the country. God help us if they win the next election. There you go. Listen, youve got as many fans as detractors, sean, so dont worry about that. Youre very this sean, so dont worry about that. Youre very this is sean, so dont worry about that. Youre very this is the. Youre very kind. This is the home of diverse opinion. It is mark tonight. Home of diverse opinion. It is mark tonight. But listen, mark dolan tonight. But listen, folks, get my folks, lets now get my brilliant pundits nominations for headline heroes and back page for headline heroes and back page zeros. Linda, whos your hero today . My hero this week is merope mills, the mother of the young girl that died unnecessarily at Kings College hospital from sepsis. I thought her interview sepsis. I thought her interview on radio this week was truly moving. And thats because because she was so measured and she didnt break down. She didnt cry. She just wanted to didnt cry. She just wanted to get that information out there. And she was clearly a very calm, intelligent woman who felt so strongly about leading this campaign to be able to get a Second Opinion on on, on on someones medical condition. Absolutely brilliant nomination. Sean, your headline, hero of the day. Its rory stewart who i think on gb news today called out a big problem about being a member of parliament these days, which is your obligation to praise the policies you dont believe in. In order to get a seat at the top table. And it really is crucial. Back to our conversation earlier about trust that we start seeing politicians again who are prepared to call out things when they dont believe in them and just say, listen, i cant vote for this. Im not going to do it. Well its never going to happen, is it, yes, it does. It, linda . Yes, it does. I crossed the floor of the house of commons. Left section of commons. I left on section 28, hague said. 28, which William Hague said. Okay. He was going to prevent being reformed. And i said being reformed. And i said i wouldnt do it. He sacked me from the front bench of the conservative party and i decided that if the future of being in politics was doing things you didnt believe in, then i had to quit the conservative party. So the answer is i did. But quit the conservative party. So the answer is i did. But im not the answer is i did. But im not setting myself up hero here setting myself up as a hero here because rory has called because i think rory has called it out today very , very clearly. It out today very, very clearly. Well, no, you were youre a politician of principle and you sacrifice your career for what you thought was the thing, you thought was the right thing, which game to which fair, fair, fair game to you. How about your headline hero . Hero . Adrian . Going to say adrian . I was going to say shaun anyway, adrian . I was going to say shaun very anyway, adrian . I was going to say shaun very kind. Anyway, adrian . I was going to say shaun very kind. But anyway, adrian . I was going to say shaun very kind. But myyway, adrian . I was going to say shaun very kind. But my hero of youre very kind. But my hero of the week is alejandro monteverdi , who was the director of the film the sound of freedom, which was released in the uk last week. I urge everybody watching the show tonight to go and see this film. Its about the Human Trafficking industry, the child sex industry , an industry that sex industry, an industry that is second only to Drug Trafficking , trafficking in the trafficking, trafficking in the world, 150 billion worth every year. World, 150 billion worth every year. And the most disturbing year. And the most disturbing parts of this film, its based on a true story , is that whilst on a true story, is that whilst we the west, we go on our reparations and our apologies for slavery, that happened 300 or 400 years ago, we are turning a totally blind eye to the slavery thats taking place today. Slavery thats taking place today. 50 million odd people in today. 50 million odd people in modern slavery are lot child no. One, no one seems to care. One, no one seems to care. Nobody seems to care. And the second thing is the media, the mainstream them mainstream media, a lot of them have this mainstream media, a lot of them have and this mainstream media, a lot of them have and i this mainstream media, a lot of them have and i wonder this mainstream media, a lot of them have and i wonder whyhis mainstream media, a lot of them have and i wonder why is this . Film. And i wonder why is this . Why are they doing . Is it because its a faith based Charity Funded the film . Charity sort of funded the film . Is theres some maybe is it because theres some maybe its because some of the its racist because some of the villains in the film . Or is it because theres some involvement by people that by rich and powerful people that they expose . There by rich and powerful people that they go. Expose . There you go. A few seconds, linda, for your zero. Kim jong un, the north korean leader, the i thought he was quite sweet. Oh, dear me. Oh, dear me. That cartoon figure. Dont let it fool you. That country. Let it fool you. That country. He has been run by the same family for 75 years. It is celebrated, if you can use that word. Its 75th anniversary this week. And actually its like, week. And actually its like, look ing at a whole man made famine half pure evil. Famine half pure evil. Sean, i know youve got Gillian Keegan for concrete gates education secretary who forgot to turn off her microphone and then complained that nobody was saying she was doing an good job or everyone else was sitting on their when the whole concrete thing began. When she was on her holiday sitting on her. Youve done an good job. Youve done an good job. Adrians was marianna spring, bbcs misinformation who bbcs head of misinformation who lied on her cv allegedly thanks to the team. Well done to katie and maddie as well. Today im back nine. Back on friday at nine. Headliners is next the temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast brought to you by the met office. So theres been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms around throughout today continue today and they will continue dunng today and they will continue during tonight. And this is because low pressure is starting to dominate the uk. Weather clearing away that High Pressure we last week. So into we saw during last week. So into this evening. Then showers and this evening. Then showers and thunderstorms will continue for a while, but generally starting to clear out into the north sea, though , lingering for a little though, lingering for a little longer across southern scotland. Clear in the east, but clear spells in the east, but some mist, fog and low cloud developing and thats all during another warm and fairly humid night there will be some brightness to start monday, but any mist , fog and low cloud will any mist, fog and low cloud will lift and break up before we see this area of cloud and outbreaks of rain spreading south eastwards. Maybe some heavy showers and thunderstorms for england and wales just ahead of that. But there will be some sunny spells , too. And feeling sunny spells, too. And feeling pleasant in the sunshine still, even though were not getting into the 30s, still the mid to high 20s for the highs on monday as we go into tuesday that band of cloud and rain continues to make its way south eastwards, becoming a little heavier and slow. Moving as it comes across england and wales , but starting england and wales, but starting to those winds come from the to see those winds come from the north of scotland, north across parts of scotland, Northern England and Northern Ireland. So starting to feel cooler, but generally remaining changeable throughout the week. But most noticeably, those temperatures dropping down to average. The temperatures rising average. The temperatures rising , boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on news good evening. The top story tonight from the newsroom. The government is announcing tonight that its sending an Emergency Response team to morocco following fridays earthquake. The foreign secretary, James Cleverly saying the uk is deploying 60 search and rescue special lists as well as four rescue dogs , more than 2100 rescue dogs, more than 2100 people have now died after the 6. 8 man quake struck remote areas of the Atlas Mountains. Areas of the Atlas Mountains. With aftershocks today causing more uncertainty and danger. And his majesty king charles has sent his condolences today to morocco, saying he cant describe the depths of his sadness and sorrow at the appalling tragedy unfolding there. Well, in other news