Being, as i think that was probably a controlled explosion in the background. I was there in the background. I was there with the unflappable and imperturbable royal expert michael cole, who carried the flabellum for state of the nafion flabellum for state of the nation last night. Well be coming through, coming through all of last nights events as the metropolitan police has confirmed, a was arrested confirmed, a man was arrested under suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon before conducting precaution. Conducting a precaution. Controlled explosion sang froid prevails. An and Just Stop Oil or just prevails. An and Just Stop Oil orjust stop royal. The eco or just stop royal. The eco zealots have been and intend to continue marching down the mall towards the abbey. This week. But the coronation commander has said hes far more concerned about tight corners. Plus, the about tight corners. Plus, the stone of scone and all its myth, mystery and legend. But who has the ultimate claim. 7 is it the the ultimate claim . Is it the scots or perhaps the english . Well, as ever, therell be a twist in the tale. Stay tuned for that state of the nation starts now. Well also be joined starts now. Well also be joined by the historian dr. David starkey, to help us pick through the pomp and pageantry. But as the pomp and pageantry. But as evenl the pomp and pageantry. But as ever, i want to hear from you. Ever, i want to hear from you. Its the most important part of the. By email me mail the programme. By email me mail mog at gb. Uk. You must mog at gb news. Uk. Now you must control your explosions of excitement as you listen to the news with polly middlehurst. News with polly middlehurst. East jacob thank you and good evening to you. Well, donald trump evening to you. Well, donald trump has evening to you. Well, donald trump has told evening to you. Well, donald trump has told gb g well, donald trump has told gb news tonight he would trump has told gb news tonight he would end trump has told gb news tonight he would end the trump has told gb news tonight he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours h he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours if ho he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours if he was he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours if he was in the white house 24 hours if he was in the white house again. 24 hours if he was in the white house again. In 24 hours if he was in the white house again. In an 24 hours if he was in the white house again. In an exclusive interview house again. In an exclusive interview with house again. In an exclusive interview with nigel farage, the home interview with nigel farage, the home us interview with nigel farage, the former us president said the war has former us president said the war hes so former us president said the war has to he former us president said the war has to be stopped former us president said the war has to be stopped. � has to be stopped. If i were president and i say this, i will end that war in one day. Itll take 24 hours. As i know zelenskyy well, i know putin well. I would get that ended in a period of you can break that deal ioo. A period of you can break that deal 100. It would be easy. That deal 100. It would be easy. That deal would be easy. A lot of it has to do with the money. A lot of it has to do with the military. You know, that were giving. But i would get that deal done within hours. That deal done within 24 hours. That war has to be stopped. That war is a disaster. Donald trump talking to nigel farage, a short time ago. Well, ukraine denies it time ago. Well, ukraine denies h was time ago. Well, ukraine denies it was behind time ago. Well, ukraine denies it was behind a time ago. Well, ukraine denies it was behind a drone c 3 well, ukraine denies it was behind a drone attack on the hemhh it was behind a drone attack on the hehhh. It was behind a drone attack on the kremlin. A it was behind a drone attack on the kremlin. A video has the kremlin. A video has appeared the kremlin. A video has appeared which appears to show heshoeho appeared which appears to show president putins appeared which appears to show president putins residence being president putins residence hehe hh president putins residence being hit late president putins residence being hit late last night. Hussho being hit late last night. Russia says being hit late last night. Russia says it being hit late last night. Russia says it was an assassination attempt, but the hush assassination attempt, but the ohoeh wes assassination attempt, but the attack was thwarted , they say, attack was thwarted, they say, whh attack was thwarted, they say, with electronic attack was thwarted, they say, with electronic defences ohsohhhg with electronic defences disabling the with electronic defences disabling the aircraft aft. Heshoeho disabling the aircraft aft. President zelenskyy has today she president zelenskyy has today said ukraine president zelenskyy has today said ukraine had president zelenskyy has today said ukraine had nothing to do wish said ukraine had nothing to do whh h. Said ukraine had nothing to do whh h. We said ukraine had nothing to do with it. We dont said ukraine had nothing to do with it. We dont attack putin or moscow. We with it. We dont attack putin or moscow. You; � g with it. We dont attack putin or moscow. � vw� wi; � g with with it. We dont attack putin or moscow. � g with i or moscow. We fight on our territory. We are defending our territory. We are defending our religious cities. We dont have , you know, enough weapons for this. Thats why we dont use it anyway for us, that is the deficit. We cant spend it and we didnt attack putin. We leave it to tribunal. Well here at it to tribunal. Well here at home, the Prime Minister says hes aware tomorrows local elections in england will be tough for the conservative party. On the last day of on the last day of campaigning, rishi sunak says hes campaigning, rishi sunak says hes focussed campaigning, rishi sunak says hes focussed on campaigning, rishi sunak says hes focussed on delivering the oeoowes hes focussed on delivering the peoples priorities hes focussed on delivering the peoples priorities. � vw� wi; cl peoples priorities. Were concentrating on delivering on peoples priorities so a local level thats about Lower Council tax where conservative areas have council tax, thats on average £80 lower than labour ones , crime is lower and we feel ones, crime is lower and we feel more potholes nationally. Im more potholes nationally. Im focussed on my five priorities. Well for his part, sir keir starmer says his mission was to get into government by 2024, and he says the conservative party should make gains to show its not going backwards. I have to not going backwards. I have to say the baseline not going backwards. I have to say the baseline for not going backwards. I have to say the baseline for the say the baseline for the government say the baseline for the government is very, very low because government is very, very low heeouse whey government is very, very low because they had terrible wesuhs because they had terrible results four because they had terrible results four years ago, which is a results four years ago, which is o cycle results four years ago, which is o code of results four years ago, which is a cycle of these results four years ago, which is a cycle of these elections. That wheh a cycle of these elections. That was their second a cycle of these elections. That was their second worst election wesuh was their second worst election wesuh h was their second worst election result in their was their second worst election result in their history. And therese result in their history. And hheweso how result in their history. And theresa may had to personally ooowoghse theresa may had to personally ooowoghse wo theresa may had to personally apologise to their theresa may had to personally apologise to their candidates ohehwowos. Apologise to their candidates afterwards. So apologise to their candidates afterwards. So they should be making afterwards. So they should be making significant gains tomorrow. And lastly , three tomorrow. And lastly, three oesses tomorrow. And lastly, three dresses once tomorrow. And lastly, three dresses once owned by diana, princess dresses once owned by diana, princess of dresses once owned by diana, princess of wales dresses once owned by diana, princess of wales , will go on princess of wales, will go on ohsowow princess of wales, will go on ohsowow ow princess of wales, will go on ohsowow ow whe princess of wales, will go on display at the museum of style weohs display at the museum of style weohs h display at the museum of style icons in ireland display at the museum of style icons in ireland before going to ouewhoh icons in ireland before going to ouewhoh. Icons in ireland before going to ouewhoh. Awe icons in ireland before going to auction. Are the icons in ireland before going to auction. d auction. Are the glamourous outfits will officially go under the hammer in los angeles. In the hammer in los angeles. In the united states, in august. Theyre expected to sell. For theyre expected to sell. For between 280 and £550,000 on tv onune between 280 and £550,000 on tv online dab radio and the tune in app. This is. Gb news. What happened last night . I was about to sit here. I was t� q7 i was about to sit here. I was looking forward about to sit here. I was looking forward wo about to sit here. I was looking forward to waxing about to sit here. I was looking forward to waxing eloquent about the forward to waxing eloquent about he wowow forward to waxing eloquent about the Royal Standard forward to waxing eloquent about the Royal Standard flying behind me the Royal Standard flying behind he ahe the Royal Standard flying behind me one he the Royal Standard flying behind me and the amazing tulips that are me and the amazing tulips that swohohg me and the amazing tulips that are standing to me and the amazing tulips that are standing to attention as if wheywe are standing to attention as if wheywe being are standing to attention as if theyre being drilled by a sergeohw theyre being drilled by a sergeohw wo theyre being drilled by a sergeant to make them ready for the coronation sergeant to make them ready for the coronation season. But before the coronation season. But hehowe we the coronation season. But before we came the coronation season. But before we came on air, moments before before we came on air, moments hehowe where before we came on air, moments before there was before we came on air, moments before there was the order to evacuate a man before there was the order to evacuate a man had before there was the order to evacuatea man had been evacuate because a man had been owesweot evacuate because a man had been arrested, apparently evacuate because a man had been arrested, apparently he had been whwowhg arrested, apparently he had been whwowhg gun arrested, apparently he had been throwing gun inserts cartridges hoo throwing gun inserts cartridges into buckingham throwing gun inserts cartridges into Buckingham Palace just whwoueh into Buckingham Palace just whwough whe into Buckingham Palace just through the gate. And after that , a through the gate. And after that , o howe through the gate. And after that , u we hu through the gate. And after that , a little bit later, through the gate. And after that , a little bit later, they had a eohwowweo , a little bit later, they had a controlled experiment when we eohwow controlled experiment when we were control the controlled experiment when we were control the explosion when were control the explosion when we were broadcasting from a oohoeohh we were broadcasting from a portacabin and we were broadcasting from a portacabin and at that point, we were moved out portacabin and at that point, we were moved out and stood behind the tense were moved out and stood behind the tense ahe were moved out and stood behind the fence and carried on with as mush the fence and carried on with as much of the fence and carried on with as much of the the fence and carried on with as much of the programme as we eouwo much of the programme as we eouwu whh much of the programme as we could with dan much of the programme as we could with dan wootton filling in could with dan wootton filling h wew could with dan wootton filling he very hhow could with dan wootton filling in very kindly and very helpful hom in very kindly and very helpful from paddington in very kindly and very helpful from paddington. We tried to from paddington. We tried to keep from paddington. We tried to keep sowh from paddington. We tried to keep calm and from paddington. We tried to keep calm and carry on. We thought keep calm and carry on. We thought thats keep calm and carry on. We thought thats what we should do. He thought thats what we should do. He owwows thought thats what we should do. Ive always very much liked in do. Ive always very much liked h the do. Ive always very much liked h the carry do. Ive always very much liked h the sorry oh do. Ive always very much liked in the carry on film carry on up the hhwheu in the carry on film carry on up the khyber, the in the carry on film carry on up the khyber, the scene where ewewhhhg the khyber, the scene where ewewhhhg hs the khyber, the scene where everything is going wrong for sid everything is going wrong for she james everything is going wrong for sid james when everything is going wrong for sid james when the ceiling is falling sid james when the ceiling is falling ht sid james when the ceiling is falling in, when sid james when the ceiling is falling in, when instrument falling in, when the instrument is being falling in, when the instrument hs being used falling in, when the instrument is being used by falling in, when the instrument is being used by the little shohhew is being used by the Little Chamber orchestra, are eohwooshg chamber orchestra, are collapsing in chamber orchestra, are collapsing in front of the fire. Thous collapsing in front of the fire. Hhohs somhg collapsing in front of the fire. Thats coming from the enemy. Huh thats coming from the enemy. Huh they thats coming from the enemy. Huh they eoww thats coming from the enemy. But they carry on thats coming from the enemy. But they carry on with their soup. But they carry on with their soup. Ewen but they carry on with their soup. Even though its got bits of pusher soup. Even though its got bits of waste h soup. Even though its got bits of plaster in it. Soup. Even though its got bits of plaster in it. Ive always thought of plaster in it. Ive always thoughtthe of plaster in it. Ive always thought the best way thought thats the best way to do u, thought thats the best way to ho ho huh thought thats the best way to do it, but weve thought thats the best way to do it, but weve got some more information do it, but weve got some more information oh do it, but weve got some more information on this do it, but weve got some more information on this from mark white. Information on this from mark whiteeo information on this from mark whitego over information on this from mark white. Go over to information on this from mark white. Go over to mark white. So lets go over to mark whhe white. So lets go over to mark whhe how white. So lets go over to mark whhe how his white. So lets go over to mark white for his report on this. White for his report on this. Around white for his report on this. Arouho i. White for his report on this. Around the garrison town of awoewshoh around the garrison town of awoewshoh , around the garrison town of aldershot , these guardsmen of aldershot, these guardsmen of the household aldershot, these guardsmen of the Household Division have shew the Household Division have spent eehh the Household Division have spent recent days rehearsing for their spent recent days rehearsing for their ooh spent recent days rehearsing for their ooh h spent recent days rehearsing for their part in the spent recent days rehearsing for their part in the coronation ceremony. M. 8 cl; ll ceremony. Number 18. Theyll form the kings guard escorting the sovereigns carriage to and from Westminster Abbey in what will amount to the biggest ceremonial and security operation seen on the streets of the capital for many years is coordinated by the metropolitan police. The operation will bring police. The operation will bring together all of the Emergency Services , the military and the services, the military and the Security Services. The security Security Services. The security operation around the coronation is rather significant. Its very is rather significant. Its very similar to the is rather significant. Its very similar to the queens gt � can its very similar to the queens funeral. Wewe similar to the queens funeral. Wewe 90t similar to the queens funeral. Wewe got u similar to the queens funeral. Weve got a layered approach that weve got a layered approach that consists weve got a layered approach that consists of weve got a layered approach that consists of a weve got a layered approach that consists of a number of oehuoww that consists of a number of oehuowww wew that consists of a number of actually very visible policing oweesehe so actually very visible policing presence. So weve got our mounted presence. So weve got our mounted officers, our firearms officers mounted officers, our firearms ohheews ahe mounted officers, our firearms officers, and weve got our hhwhow officers, and weve got our military colleagues. So this is a military colleagues. So this is oiohh military colleagues. So this is oiohh ehoh military colleagues. So this is oiohh ehoh , military colleagues. So this is a joint effort , tuesday a joint effort, tuesday ewehhsg a joint effort, tuesday evenings security incident at buckingham evenings security incident at Buckingham Palace demonstrate whee Buckingham Palace demonstrate vated hhe Buckingham Palace demonstrate wheel the how Buckingham Palace demonstrate yated the Rapid Reaction of the house yated the Rapid Reaction of the house os yated the Rapid Reaction of the police as thousands will be on duty police as thousands will be on duty owohgshoe police as thousands will be on duty alongside the military. � vw� wi; duty alongside the military. We understandably duty alongside the military. We understandably , duty alongside the military. We understandably , these duty alongside the military. We understandably , these soldiers understandably, these soldiers are immensely proud of the part theyre playing in this huge state occasion. Theyre not expecting any trouble, but theyre highly trained and able to respond to anything untoward. And we do a lot of practise ensure that things that go wrong dont go wrong because weve ironed in the first ironed them out in the first place. But then our military training place. But then our military wohhe useoi place. But then our military. Training used to training kicks in. Were used to t ehowwehees training kicks in. Were used to ,challenges and. Training kicks in. Were used to , challenges and our , you know, challenges and our training , you know, challenges and our wohhg hewos , you know, challenges and our training helps with these situations training helps with these situations. Training helps with these situations. Saturdays situations. Saturdays coronation situations. Saturdays coronation is all the more eohhwex coronation is all the more eohhwex , coronation is all the more complex , given coronation is all the more complex , given the many heads of complex, given the many heads of shoe complex, given the many heads of state ahe complex, given the many heads of state and other complex, given the many heads of state and other vips complex, given the many heads of state and other vips from around the wow state and other vips from around the world will state and other vips from around the world will descend on the south the world will descend on the eoohoh fow the world will descend on the capital for the the world will descend on the capital for the ceremony. Capital for the ceremony. Theyu capital for the ceremony. Theyll he capital for the ceremony. Theyll be looking capital for the ceremony. Theyll be looking through the intelligence picture. Theyll be working with intelligence picture. Theyll be working with single gwitttwi t c; theyll be working with single issue groups working with single issue groups, whee working with single issue groups, trying to work out who might groups, trying to work out who might he groups, trying to work out who hhehh he o groups, trying to work out who might be a threat groups, trying to work out who might be a threat to the coronation might be a threat to the coronation might be a threat to the coronation might be a threat to the coronation but, you know, the threats can come from the sewers right skies right up to the skies with drones. So right up to the skies with drones. So they really have to drones. So they really have to be drones. So they really have to heoh drones. So they really have to heoh i. Drones. So they really have to heoh theh drones. So they really have to beon thein the be alert on the day in the desert be alert on the day in the desert. Be alert on the day in the desert. Said be alert on the day in the desert. Said the be alert on the day in the desert. W zwt be alert on the day in the desert. W t ll desert. Said the public will certainly notice the huge increase in security , not just increase in security, not just around central london, but in other population centres where coronation celebrations are taking place, like luckily the police and Security Services have had many months to plan this operation in. But then so have those who might be intent on disrupting this huge world event. Mark white. Gb news. For event. Mark white. Gb news. For more from our home and cit \ for more from our home and security eohow more from our home and security eohow wow more from our home and security editor mark white. More from our home and security editor mark white. Remember to whe editor mark white. Remember to tune h editor mark white. Remember to tune h to editor mark white. Remember to tune in to breakfast with eamonn and tune in to breakfast with eamonn oho wsohew tune in to breakfast with eamonn and isabel tomorrow morning, but im and isabel tomorrow morning, but wh joined and isabel tomorrow morning, but wh joined ow and isabel tomorrow morning, but wh joined hw and isabel tomorrow morning, but im joined now by the former head im joined now by the former head of im joined now by the former head of royal im joined now by the former head of Royal Protection, dai hows head of Royal Protection, dai hows. Head of Royal Protection, dai hows. Ooh head of Royal Protection, dai davis. Dai, perhaps you could davis. Dai, perhaps you could heu davis. Dai, perhaps you could heww us davis. Dai, perhaps you could heww us o davis. Dai, perhaps you could tell us a little davis. Dai, perhaps you could tell us a little from your expertise tell us a little from your expertise of tell us a little from your expertise of how Royal Protection expertise of how Royal Protection would be thinking at the omeh protection would be thinking at the moment. How protection would be thinking at the moment. How worried they wouwo the moment. How worried they wouwo he the moment. How worried they wouwo he mo the moment. How worried they would be and what a sense of proportion would be and what a sense of proportion theyve got to get, heeouse proportion theyve got to get, heeouse ho proportion theyve got to get, because to have proportion theyve got to get, because to have an event like a common because to have an event like a cowohohoh m because to have an event like a coronation in there because to have an event like a coronation in there has to be ush coronation in there has to be some risk. Doesnt there . Well good some risk. Doesnt there . Well good evening some risk. Doesnt there . Well good evening. \w twi; z . I good evening. Nice to be on your programme and well done yesterday for carrying on. I love up khyber to and its a love up the khyber to and its a good foundation. And in terms of good foundation. And in terms of wow good foundation. And in terms of your question good foundation. And in terms of your question , good foundation. And in terms of your question , theyve g and in terms of your question , theyve been your question, theyve been oweoohhe your question, theyve been oweoohhe how your question, theyve been preparing for this and have huge exehehehe preparing for this and have huge experience obviously in oweoohhe experience obviously in preparingfor experience obviously in preparing for such a large event. Huh preparing for such a large event. Huh theres preparing for such a large event. But theres always a potential for hum. But theres always a potential for hum. As. But theres always a potential for harm. As you. But theres always a potential for harm. As you know, your history for harm. As you know, your hhshow , for harm. As you know, your hhshow , mo for harm. As you know, your hhshow , mo. For harm. As you know, your history , and i certainly know it history, and i certainly know it as a historian history, and i certainly know it as a historian now, going back eemuhes as a historian now, going back eemuhes , as a historian now, going back centuries , our kings and queens centuries, our kings and queens howe centuries, our kings and queens have been centuries, our kings and queens have been attacked, and i think you should have been attacked, and i think you should always have been attacked, and i think you should always bear that in mine you should always bear that in mind because you should always bear that in mind because there are a number of ohmewem mind because there are a number of different groups mind because there are a number of different groups out there who of different groups out there who eouwo of different groups out there who could and of different groups out there who could and maybe pose a meow who could and maybe pose a them. Wm who could and maybe pose a threat. Im not who could and maybe pose a threat. Im not being alarmist, huh threat. Im not being alarmist, huh woue threat. Im not being alarmist, huh youe ooh threat. Im not being alarmist, but youve got to threat. Im not being alarmist, but youve got to prepare. And but youve got to prepare. And if wou but youve got to prepare. And h you oohh but youve got to prepare. And if you dont prepare, you will mu if you dont prepare, you will mu. If you dont prepare, you will mu. So if you dont prepare, you will fail. So hopefully months of fail. So hopefully months of planning fail. So hopefully months of planning m fail. So hopefully months of planning in conjunction with all the other planning in conjunction with all the other agencies have actually got h the other agencies have actually ooh h hem the other agencies have actually ooh h hem. The other agencies have actually ooh h hem. Ws the other agencies have actually got it right. Is it the other agencies have actually got it right. E got it right. Is it easier to tackle the organised used terrorists and hostile states because you can have agents close to them , you can be close to them, you can be monitoring them than it is to spot the lone madmen on that. Queen victoria had any number of assassination attempts on her, which were almost entirely by lone madmen, and that, i imagine, is very hard for the Security Services to pick up. Security services to pick up. Well, youre right. And ive no well, youre right. And ive no doubt echo well, youre right. And ive no doubt gchq will well, youre right. And ive no doubt gchq will be � isowwiii c g and ive no doubt gchq will be looking � isowwiii c g and ive no doubt gchq will be looking at all doubt gchq will be looking at oh me doubt gchq will be looking at all the established isis. Doubt gchq will be looking at all the established isis. I, you mow, all the established isis. I, you know i. All the established isis. I, you know, the whole all the established isis. I, you know, the whole range of people, homomo know, the whole range of people, including me know, the whole range of people, including the irish know, the whole range of people, including the irish issue. And moh including the irish issue. And mm hashh including the irish issue. And that hasnt gone including the irish issue. And that hasnt gone away despite oeohwe that hasnt gone away despite people whshmg that hasnt gone away despite people wishing it away. There are people wishing it away. There shu people wishing it away. There are still elements, as you know, in are still elements, as you know, m wohhem are still elements, as you know, in Northern Ireland are still elements, as you know, in Northern Ireland who would whe in Northern Ireland who would he to in Northern Ireland who would he ho ho in Northern Ireland who would like to do harm in Northern Ireland who would like to do harm to king charles, eheehem like to do harm to king charles, etcetera, etcetera like to do harm to king charles, etcetera, etcetera. Like to do harm to king charles, etcetera, etcetera. But youre etcetera, etcetera. But youre hom etcetera, etcetera. But youre hem. Whet etcetera, etcetera. But youre mom. What you etcetera, etcetera. But youre right. What you have to worry about right. What you have to worry about oe right. What you have to worry about are clean right. What you have to worry about are clean skins as they mow about are clean skins as they know mose about are clean skins as they know those who about are clean skins as they know those who suddenly wake up or howe know those who suddenly wake up or have woheh know those who suddenly wake up or have woken up know those who suddenly wake up or have woken up a know those who suddenly wake up or have woken up a week or two or have woken up a week or two or on me or have woken up a week or two or even on the morning and say, go one or even on the morning and say, go one oo or even on the morning and say, go me go my or even on the morning and say, go and do my bidding, whichever god go and do my bidding, whichever eoo mew go and do my bidding, whichever god they believe go and do my bidding, whichever god they believe in. And unfortunately, god they believe in. And unfortunately, we have several hundred, unfortunately, we have several hundred h unfortunately, we have several hundred, if not unfortunately, we have several hundred, if not thousands of mose hundred, if not thousands of those who hundred, if not thousands of those who admire that kind of heme. Those who admire that kind of heue. So those who admire that kind of tactic. So there those who admire that kind of tactic. So there certainly the other tactic. So there certainly the orher one tactic. So there certainly the other one, as tactic. So there certainly the other one, as we tactic. So there certainly the other one, as we saw yesterday whh other one, as we saw yesterday whh rhose other one, as we saw yesterday with those who other one, as we saw yesterday with those who arguably may be memoww with those who arguably may be memoww rh with those who arguably may be mentally ill or with those who arguably may be mentally ill or fixated , and mentally ill or fixated, and here mentally ill or fixated, and here ore mentally ill or fixated, and here o mentally ill or fixated, and there are a number of those who are there are a number of those who o smou there are a number of those who are a small minority, but they soure are a small minority, but they eouwo hose are a small minority, but they could pose and are a small minority, but they could pose and have posed as you hghrw could pose and have posed as you rrghrw sow could pose and have posed as you rrghrw sow oueeh could pose and have posed as you rightly say, Queen Victoria was meshed rightly say, Queen Victoria was attacked nine rightly say, Queen Victoria was attacked nine times, but many, mom attacked nine times, but many, many more plots attacked nine times, but many, many more plots against her, hom many more plots against her, horh m many more plots against her, both in scotland many more plots against her, both in scotland , in ireland and both in scotland, in ireland and so hur both in scotland, in ireland and so our wes both in scotland, in ireland and so our wes , both in scotland, in ireland and so on. But yes , and virtually so on. But yes, and virtually gr, so on. But yes, and virtually all, including so on. But yes, and virtually all, including her late majesty, geome all, including her late majesty, people wee all, including her late majesty, people were plotting and tried to people were plotting and tried ho ho people were plotting and tried ho ho horm people were plotting and tried to do harm to people were plotting and tried to do harm to her people were plotting and tried to do harm to her here in this eouhrrw to do harm to her here in this eoumrw m to do harm to her here in this country, in ireland to do harm to her here in this country, in ireland and abroad. So country, in ireland and abroad. So woure country, in ireland and abroad. So woure guhe country, in ireland and abroad. So youre quite right to point rhese so youre quite right to point rhese rhmgs so youre quite right to point these things out so youre quite right to point these things out so you can he these things out so you can never be complacent. And i never be complacent. And i always never be complacent. And i always recall never be complacent. And i always recall what happened in the netherlands always recall what happened in the netherlands when a car emer the netherlands when a car driver drove the netherlands when a car driver drove straight through the driver drove straight through me erowl driver drove straight through me erowl , driver drove straight through the crowd , killing 8 or 9 and the crowd, killing 8 or 9 and injuring the crowd, killing 8 or 9 and injuring mom the crowd, killing 8 or 9 and injuring many more. So youve injuring many more. So youve got injuring many more. So youve gor ro injuring many more. So youve gor ro howe injuring many more. So youve got to have all injuring many more. So youve got to have all your strategies ml got to have all your strategies ml rashes got to have all your strategies and tactics in got to have all your strategies and tactics in place , but youve and tactics in place, but youve got and tactics in place, but youve gor ro and tactics in place, but youve gor ro oeeepr and tactics in place, but youve got to accept some and tactics in place, but youve got to accept some element of ush got to accept some element of rlsl. Got to accept some element of rlsl. Vou got to accept some element of risk. You cannot got to accept some element of risk. You cannot have got to accept some element of risk. witw. Tt r . Got to accept some element of risk. You cannot have an 18th century carriage going through the streets of london with millions of people watching without there being some element of risk. And its a question of being proportionate, isnt it . Being proportionate, isnt it . 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Well, thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us me for sharing your expertise with us ml whh for sharing your expertise with us and with our for sharing your expertise with us and with our viewers with me ls us and with our viewers with me ls rhe us and with our viewers with me now is the eminent us and with our viewers with me now is the eminent historian, dr. Now is the eminent historian, hr. Howl now is the eminent historian, dr. David starkey. J r dr. David starkey. David, you can give us an historic perspective on this. Probably going back to henry, the fourth of france, who was killed by a madman, that there have been of france, who was killed by a madrto n, that there have been of france, who was killed by a madrto monarchy re have been of france, who was killed by a madrto monarchy ashave been of france, who was killed by a madrto monarchy as long been of france, who was killed by a madrto monarchy as long aszn risks to monarchy as long as monarchy indeed ed, monarchy has existed. Indeed ed, of course, the worst ones were when there was intense ideological divide. The, of ideological divide. The, of course, william ideological divide. The, of course, william of 3g t. I w , w i the, of course, william of orange 3g ti w , w i the, of course, william of orange again murdered course, william of orange again murdered again course, william of orange again murdered again by a fanatic rohorles murdered again by a fanatic females or murdered again by a fanatic fanatics of either side on the orher fanatics of either side on the orher heml fanatics of either side on the other hand, we fanatics of either side on the other hand, we are not in that age. Other hand, we are not in that age. We other hand, we are not in that age. We almost other hand, we are not in that age. We almost got other hand, we are not in that age. Gwitw age. We almost got there with the ira and we bear the terrible marks of it. I mean, listening to your conversation, particularly listening to your powerful repetition of the word proportionality , id like to proportionality, id like to reflect on not so much history, my own experience as a boy and growing up, i never saw an armed policeman until i went to paris in 1958, and i was shocked. And i remain shocked at seeing armed police. I mean, standing there police. I mean, standing there casually flicking their hands on the trigger. I do not casually flicking their hands on the trigger. I do not think this is the british way of doing things. I think that the perpetual concern with security , although i recognise the necessity as damaged as and damaged as profoundly, i think one of the ways in which the distance between the people and the politicians has become unbndgedis the politicians has become unbridged is because of security , the symbol of the gates of Buckingham Palace, the gates of downing street. We always it used to be again, when i was growing up, it was a matter of pride. You could just wander down the street and stand in front of the door and chat to the policeman and whatever. And weve lost something. Yes but i mean, i speak every day when i go into house of commons to the armed police there who are actually rather brave because they dont know whats going to happen. Theyre unaware of the circumstances happen. Theyre unaware of the circumstances that t theyre unaware of the circumstances that arise circumstances that could arise ourmg or circumstances that could arise ourmg or rhe circumstances that could arise during of the day. During the course of the day. I usel during the course of the day. I usedgooe during the course of the day. I used good morning to used to say good morning to wellh keith palmer, the policeman who was keith palmer, the policeman who murdered keith palmer, the policeman who murlerel , keith palmer, the policeman who was murdered , died doing his was murdered, died doing his lug, was murdered, died doing his lug, rhough was murdered, died doing his duty, though he was murdered, died doing his duty, though he was unarmed. And it duty, though he was unarmed. And h hos duty, though he was unarmed. And h hos , duty, though he was unarmed. And h hos , m duty, though he was unarmed. And h hos , m mor duty, though he was unarmed. And it has , in that sense duty, though he was unarmed. And it has , in that sense become a it has, in that sense become a lohgerous it has, in that sense become a more dangerous world because the bad more dangerous world because the hog people more dangerous world because the hog people howe more dangerous world because the bad people have access to more emeerwe bad people have access to more effective weapons bad people have access to more effective weapons. Bad people have access to more effective weapons. So im not denying any of this. Im just saying i think what we ought to be doing is recognising what weve lost. We need to recognise the corruption of security because what security does is to produce distance. It separates produce distance. It separates where we are now. The whole of this space here in front of the Buckingham Palace, the victoria monument was specifically constructed to enable the people to have access that is less and less possible , while there is less possible, while there is less possible, while there is less and less proximity , there less and less proximity, there is more and more sense of distance. And of course, again, distance. And of course, again, lead is just reflect on your experience. Last night the tendency to the de man use the expression overkill. And i do think that that word proportionality needs to be drummed into everybody concerned in this that we resort to it as a universal technique. We protect. And i think we over protect. And i think we over protect. And i think we over protect. And you were making the protect. And you were making the absolutely right point. There is an inherent risk. And in a democracy , in an open democracy, democracy, in an open democracy, a plural democracy, we have to acknowledge we have to take that risk. And i think particularly for politicians i and i think particularly for politicians that i think one of for politicians that i think one or he for politicians that i think one or he grew for politicians that i think one of the great glories of our polhleol of the great glories of our political system that political system is that politicians political system is that politicians extremely be politicians are extremely be open politicians are extremely be opehlrhelr politicians are extremely be open their constituents open to their constituents rhrough open to their constituents through constituents. And we mow through constituents. And we mowhowe through constituents. And we know have been through constituents. And we know have been terrible know there have been terrible problems know there have been terriblei problems been problems and there have been we mow problems and there have been we mowproblems problems and there have been wej knowproblems,we know problems, problems, but we musmr know problems, problems, but we mustnt problems know problems, problems, but we mustnt problems to mustnt allow those problems to mole mustnt allow those problems to make more remote. Make politicians more remote heeouse make politicians more remote because otherwise you lose that lemoerorle because otherwise you lose that democratic link because otherwise you lose that democratic link. Because otherwise you lose that democratic link. Cxeeccq democratic link. That is exactly what im talking about. And i think its also fundamental to the nature of our monarchy. It the nature of our monarchy. It cannot be too remote. It cannot cannot be too remote. It cannot be, as you put it beautifully, it cannot be a monarchy that simply in palaces. That simply exists in palaces. That is simply behind closed gates. Is simply behind closed gates. Again, one of the great innovations of the 20th century of the windsor monarchy has been okay. We can laugh about it and its artificial and where do you come from . You know, the hand shake and walkabout. But it shake and the walkabout. But it has profound effects, very important. And once again, these get further and further hedged about even even if its something as relatively innocuous as an egg. And but what is extraordinary is the people doing those sort of demonstrations are exactly the ones who clamour against remoteness and they dont understand that their behaviour is precisely the thing that bnngs is precisely the thing that brings about what they claim most are fear. Well thank you very much to david. Remember, we wom very much to david. Remember, we wom your very much to david. 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Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Phoebe, i thank you. Thoughts. Phoebe, i thank you. Phoebe i had to email and congratulate jacob for his coverage last night. So very british and thats a true british and calm. Thats a true compliment. British and calm. Thats a true compliment. Thank you, british and calm. Thats a true compliment. Thank you, phoebe. Compliment. Thank you, phoebe. Richard, a wonderful range richard, what a wonderful range of vocabulary. Jacob has his googung of vocabulary. Jacob has his googling all night with the beauty language. Beauty of the english language. Well, end of my well, thats the end of my father. Actually, we used to have place laid lunch for have a place laid at lunch for the oxford dictionary. The Oxford English dictionary. Can produce can gb news please produce a weekly up of from weekly round up of words from jacob . So educational. Thank you. Says the behaviour. Rich, says sir. The behaviour of your good self and the equally unflappable, i would say the more unflappable the even more unflappable actually, an actually, mr carl were an example englishmen example to englishmen everywhere. True keep calm and everywhere. A true keep calm and carry and yes, it carry on attitude. And yes, it did rather remind me of carry on up well, thank you up the khyber. Well, thank you very this week. Just stop. Very much this week. Just stop. Oil protesters will slow march next to Westminster Abbey in the lead up to the kings coronation i actually watched them from my Office Window this afternoon just before lunch, as they walked into parliament square. There were amazingly few of them. Its extraordinary how few people can cause so much disruption. They dont have that disruption. They dont have that much support. But the group has vowed to protest every day until the government overturns licences given to Companies Exploring oil and gas in the nonh exploring oil and gas in the north sea. As it happens , while north sea. As it happens, while i was briefly energy secretary, i was briefly energy secretary, i to out as i was very keen to give out as many licences for exploration in the north sea i possibly the north sea as i possibly could want low energy could because i want low energy pnces could because i want low Energy Prices for you, the british people. Police will people. But the police will understandably be on high alert for after last for the next few days after last nights events , and especially nights events, and especially since protesters refused to rule out havoc on the day of out causing havoc on the day of the kings coronation theres nothing more than the nothing more british than the coronation so i do hope the protesters will actually keep a stiff lip and be as polite stiff upper lip and be as polite as possible. David, i cant see as possible. David, i cant see you going on a Just Stop Oil march somehow. Isnt it odd . I , l march somehow. Isnt it odd . I , l rhlhl march somehow. Isnt it odd . I mean , i think you iiwit. isnt it odd . I mean , i think you know, your mean, i think you know, your heelle llle mean, i think you know, your needle like perception of shoroerer needle like perception of ohoroerer. Needle like perception of character. You needle like perception of character. You know, once again, character. 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I mean, that you can that you what its about . I mean, that you can that you can search. Here you can that you can search. Lhere ee you can that you can search. There are remarks about infrastructure there are remarks about infrastructure , about glueing infrastructure, about glueing sorry infrastructure, about glueing sorry , infrastructure, about glueing sorry , loellhg infrastructure, about glueing sorry , locking yourselves to sorry, locking yourselves to eeeh sorry, locking yourselves to eeeh ape. Sorry, locking yourselves to each other, glueing yourselves to each other, glueing yourselves ro eeeh each other, glueing yourselves to each other each other, glueing yourselves to each other. Each other, glueing yourselves to each other. I each other, glueing yourselves to each other. I think in one lrs to each other. I think in one sense, its been to each other. I think in one sense, its been specifically leslghel sense, its been specifically eeslghel lh sense, its been specifically designed in another sense. Of course, i think designed in another sense. Of course, i think its rather a sewer course, i think its rather a lever wey course, i think its rather a clever way of course, i think its rather a clever way of getting through a geherel clever way of getting through a more general modification of the law more general modification of the lew enl more general modification of the lew eml ohe more general modification of the law and one for more general modification of the law and one for which clearly mere law and one for which clearly rhere ls law and one for which clearly there is immense law and one for which clearly there is immense popular pressure l there is immense popular pressure. I think the sense of sheer pressure. I think the sense of sheer irritation, pressure. I think the sense of sheer irritation, particularly in sheer irritation, particularly lh lohlom sheer irritation, particularly in london. Well, sheer irritation, particularly in london. � valwittt in london. Well, i think thats right. And i think there was a feeling that the law was being used against the motorists going about his or her lawful business, rather than against the protester blocking everything up. And indeed, i rhlhl everything up. And indeed, i rhlhl wher everything up. And indeed, i think what has g t. And indeed, i think what has happened is that wlrh think what has happened is that wlrh wlrh think what has happened is that with with with think what has happened is that with with with the general drift of with with with the general drift or me with with with the general drift or he comes with with with the general drift of the courts towards more ereme of the courts towards more extreme interpretations of civil llherrles extreme interpretations of civil llherrles rhe extreme interpretations of civil liberties, the notion of the permissible liberties, the notion of the permissible in liberties, the notion of the permissible in demonstrations heve permissible in demonstrations heve heeh permissible in demonstrations have been steadily widened and the have been steadily widened and me scope have been steadily widened and me scope or have been steadily widened and the scope of action of the pole the scope of action of the police steadily the scope of action of the police steadily reduced, but not by leglslerloh police steadily reduced, but not by legislation, by police steadily reduced, but not by legislation, by practise, by by legislation, by practise, by hy rhe by legislation, by practise, by by the interesting. No, no. But essehrlellyt by the interesting. No, no. But essentially, essentially, i rhlhl essentially, essentially, i rhlhl hy essentially, essentially, i rhlhl hy hy essentially, essentially, i think by by judge made law that egelh think by by judge made law that egelh , think by by judge made law that egelh , ll think by by judge made law that egelh , lr you think by by judge made law that egelh , lr you ger think by by judge made law that again , if you get a think by by judge made law that again , if you get a particular again, if you get a particular hles again, if you get a particular hles ol again, if you get a particular hles or he again, if you get a particular bias of the judiciary and the mummy bias of the judiciary and the lullelery ow bias of the judiciary and the judiciary now leans has clearly to judiciary now leans has clearly ro rhe judiciary now leans has clearly ro rhe lem judiciary now leans has clearly to the left as judiciary now leans has clearly to the left as it judiciary now leans has clearly to the left as it once leaned to he to the left as it once leaned to me rlghr to the left as it once leaned to me rlghr you to the left as it once leaned to the right you because of the heurre the right you because of the heurre ol the right you because of the nature of english law , which is nature of english law, which is essemlelly nature of english law, which is essentially judge nature of english law, which is essentially judge made law, the law essentially judge made law, the lew ehehges essentially judge made law, the law changes surreptitiously. I wonr law changes surreptitiously. I wohr sey law changes surreptitiously. I wohr sey p law changes surreptitiously. I wont say it surreptitiously and i wont say it surreptitiously and l rhlhl wont say it surreptitiously and l rhlhl lrs wont say it surreptitiously and i think its changed very merlelly i think its changed very merlelly. I think its changed very markedly. I think its changed very markedly. I think its changed very markedly. E t i think its changed very markedly. But its come back to markedly. But its come back to the coronation youre therefore quite optimistic that there wont be a Just Stop Oil protester in a secret carriage going along to try and slow down the coronation coach. I think it uhlllely the coronation coach. I think it uhlllely. The coronation coach. I think it unlikely. Well, the coronation coach. I think it unlikely. Well, i the coronation coach. I think it unlikely. Well, i think itwtw t i think it unlikely. Well, i think they may unlikely. Well, i think they may rhey unlikely. Well, i think they may rhey mey unlikely. Well, i think they may rhey mey well unlikely. Well, i think they may rhey mey well my unlikely. Well, i think they may they may well try. I, unlikely. Well, i think they may they may well try. I, i would suspeer they may well try. I, i would suspeer rher they may well try. I, i would suspect that there would be a very suspect that there would be a very shel suspect that there would be a very sllel enl suspect that there would be a very slick and not terribly gehrle very slick and not terribly gentle operation because, again , lmeglhe gentle operation because, again , lmeglhe ll gentle operation because, again , imagine if these gentle operation because, again , imagine if these people hehevel , imagine if these people behaved in , imagine if these people behaved in this fashion in meme behaved in this fashion in france. What behaved in this fashion in france. What the csa would do wlrh france. What the csa would do wlrh rhem. France. What the csa would do with them. Yes. France. What the csa would do with them. Yes. But france. What the csa would do with them. its t t with them. Yes. But in france, they have much worse problems. They indeed, they do indeed. But then, of course , they but then, of course, they eguelly but then, of course, they eguelly heve but then, of course, they equally have countermeasures leslghel equally have countermeasures leslghel ro equally have countermeasures designed to deal equally have countermeasures designed to deal with them to peel designed to deal with them to leel whh designed to deal with them to deal with. But designed to deal with them to deal with. But its also its a very, deal with. But its also its a very, very deal with. But its also its a very, very different tradition. Hs very, very different tradition. Lrs e very, very different tradition. Its a different very, very different tradition. Its a different political tradition its a different political tradition because, again , we tradition because, again, we should tradition because, again, we should he tradition because, again, we should be talking about this. Meme should be talking about this. Gene hy should be talking about this. Gene by us should be talking about this. France by its revolution, lesrroyel france by its revolution, destroyed a france by its revolution, destroyed a concept of political leglrlmeey destroyed a concept of political leglrlmeey. Destroyed a concept of political legitimacy. France has never, legitimacy. France has never, ever been able legitimacy. France has never, ever been able to establish a leglrlmere ever been able to establish a legitimate political tradition. Why legitimate political tradition. Why llve legitimate political tradition. Why five republic, two empires, two monarchies . Why five republic, two empires, two monarchies . And this is why the coronation two monarchies . And this is why the coronation is two monarchies . And this is why the coronation is so two monarchies . And this is why the coronation is so important. Lhls the coronation is so important. Lhls ls the coronation is so important. Lhls ls why the coronation is so important. This is why the the coronation is so important. This is why the coronation be lhrerruprel. This is why the coronation be interrupted. Why . This is why the coronation be interrupted. � val aw 7 t this is why the coronation be interrupted. Pm . T e interrupted. Why . Because it is the essence of political legitimacy of sovereignty. Legitimacy of our sovereignty. Precisely. Thing precisely. And again, the thing mer precisely. And again, the thing he enl precisely. And again, the thing that and here precisely. And again, the thing that and here you and i may now llsegreet that and here you and i may now elsegreet enl that and here you and i may now elsegreet eml l that and here you and i may now disagree, and i hope we do in sehselworry disagree, and i hope we do in one sense, worry that the one sense, i worry that the emlre one sense, i worry that the entire emphasis one sense, i worry that the entire emphasis in this coronation entire emphasis in this coronation has been on religion heeuse coronation has been on religion heeuse p coronation has been on religion because it seems coronation has been on religion because it seems to me the common because it seems to me the coronation is because it seems to me the coronation is fundamentally a pollrleel coronation is fundamentally a pollrleel eer coronation is fundamentally a pollrleel eer , coronation is fundamentally a political act , which coronation is fundamentally a political act, which is coronation is fundamentally a political act , which is why coronation is fundamentally a political act, which is why i am ourregel political act, which is why i am ourregel oh political act, which is why i am outraged on your political act, which is why i am outraged on your behalf that im helhg outraged on your behalf that im helhg very outraged on your behalf that im being very serious outraged on your behalf that im being very serious that parliament being very serious that parliament has been largely excluded. Parliament has been largely excluded. Do parliament has been largely excluded. Do you know its the lush excluded. Do you know its the flu rlme excluded. Do you know its the First Time Since excluded. Do you know its the First Time Since aukus since the elorlous First Time Since aukus since the glorious revolution of 1689 that hom glorious revolution of 1689 that horh houses glorious revolution of 1689 that both houses have glorious revolution of 1689 that both houses have not been presehr both houses have not been presem lh both houses have not been present in full. Both houses have not been present in full. And i think rhls present in full. And i think rhls ls present in full. And i think rhls ls e present in full. And i think this is a deplorable development , hur. This is a deplorable development , our. Well. This is a deplorable development , but. Well, well this is a deplorable development , but. Well, well come this is a deplorable development , but. � valwitti ii t t , but. Well, well come on to that. Perhaps a little bit more later. But thank you, david. Coming up next, the sartorial saga. Shall the lords wear their traditional robes or dodi dress parliamentary robes, much less grand . Youll have to wait until after these messages from our sponsors. But dont forget perhaps the most interesting stain could ever imagine. Stain you could ever imagine. And its got my name in join us here on gb news. The welcome join us here on gb news. The welcome back. Join us here on gb news. The welcome back. I join us here on gb news. The welcome back. I remain join us here on gb news. The welcome back. I remain Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Linda says just stop. Just stop oil. Im sick of them. Just stop oil. Im sick of them. The majority of the vehicles on the day of the coronation will be powered by horse power. Real horses. Why dont get on horses. Why dont they get on their and lets enjoy this their bikes and lets enjoy this historic event . Mike says your reaction last night, historic event . Mike says your reaction last night , together reaction last night, together with cole, reminded me with michael cole, reminded me of my relative, Bruce Belfrage , of my relative, Bruce Belfrage, who read the 9 00 bbc news dunng who read the 9 00 bbc news during world war ii. Belfrage carried on reading despite broadcasting house being hit by a german missile during his broadcast. I have a feeling he may have done it in black tie so im dressed down im sorry im so dressed down and dont even have and i dont even have a parliamentary robe that im entitled wear either. Anyway entitled to wear either. Anyway that leads to the last minute that leads on to the last minute fashion u turn never thought fashion u turn you never thought that i would start discussing fashion, but in an exceptional that i would start discussing fasinews ut in an exceptional that i would start discussing fasi news exclusive exceptional that i would start discussing fasinews exclusive ,. Ceptional that i would start discussing fasinews exclusive , the ional that i would start discussing fasinews exclusive , the palace gb news exclusive, the palace has decided to allow members of the house of lords to wear their traditional historic robes to this weeks ceremony. The peers noble lords were a little bit miffed at the thought of being denied their 17th century crimson velvet robes and wearing nothing more distinguished than their parliamentary robes , their parliamentary robes, although they still wont be wearing coronets. Has wearing coronets. Criticism has ansen wearing coronets. Criticism has arisen regarding the cut back cost of the coronation and fears it would be a scaled back event. But not to fear. Its one little victory for tradition and the glorious pomp and pageantry will be on at least partly full display. But this is something further to discuss with David Starkey david coronet. Shouldnt starkey david coronet. Shouldnt they have their coronets as well . They should. And the rrouhle well . They should. And the rrouhle ls well . They should. And the trouble is, this 7 they should. And the trouble is, this illustrates the rerrlhle trouble is, this illustrates the terrible problem trouble is, this illustrates the terrible problem of random constitutional terrible problem of random constitutional change. The eeluslo constitutional change. The exclusion of constitutional change. The exclusion of the hereditary peerege exclusion of the hereditary peerege hy exclusion of the hereditary peerage by blair in 1999, which eulmlherel peerage by blair in 1999, which culminated is, peerage by blair in 1999, which culminated is, of peerage by blair in 1999, which culminated is, of course, a long, culminated is, of course, a long, long culminated is, of course, a long, long process , going right long, long process, going right heel long, long process, going right heel ro long, long process, going right back to george long, long process, going right back to george the fifth, egreelhg back to george the fifth, egreelhg ro back to george the fifth, agreeing to the Parliament Act in agreeing to the Parliament Act ll 19. Agreeing to the Parliament Act lh 1911. H agreeing to the Parliament Act in 1911. It leaves agreeing to the Parliament Act in 1911. It leaves a agreeing to the Parliament Act in 1911. It leaves a terrible gap in 1911. It leaves a terrible gep. Heve in 1911. It leaves a terrible gap have you in 1911. It leaves a terrible gap. Have you must have watched the gap. Have you must have watched me lllm gap. Have you must have watched me lllm ol gap. Have you must have watched the film of the gap. Have you must have watched the film of the last gap. Have you must have watched the film of the last coronation of the film of the last coronation or me the film of the last coronation of the queens the film of the last coronation of the queens coronation a wonderful of the queens coronation a wonderful technicolour film . Wher wonderful technicolour film . Wher lo wonderful technicolour film . Wher do you wonderful technicolour film . What do you see wonderful technicolour film . What do you see about it . Is mer what do you see about it . Is he lrs what do you see about it . Is that its fundamental . A piece of that its fundamental . A piece of heme that its fundamental . A piece of rheerree ves that its fundamental . A piece of theatre . Yes, i that its fundamental . A piece of theatre . Yes, i know its seerel theatre . Yes, i know its sacred. But theatre . Yes, i know its sacred. But then of course , so sacred. But then of course, so mush sacred. But then of course, so mush church sacred. But then of course, so much Church Ritual is for is a meghllleem much Church Ritual is for is a magnificent form much Church Ritual is for is a magnificent form of theatre , but magnificent form of theatre, but its magnificent form of theatre, but lrs e magnificent form of theatre, but lrs e lorm magnificent form of theatre, but lrs e form or magnificent form of theatre, but its a form of theatre and in leer its a form of theatre and in feel he its a form of theatre and in fact the space its a form of theatre and in fact the space in its a form of theatre and in fact the space in front of the of fact the space in front of the or me fact the space in front of the or me hlgh fact the space in front of the of the high altar fact the space in front of the of the high altar of westminster alley of the high altar of westminster alley ls of the high altar of Westminster Abbey is called of the high altar of Westminster Abbey is called the coronation lheelre abbey is called the coronation lheerre. Lrs abbey is called the coronation theatre. Its technical name and the theatre. Its technical name and me lllm theatre. Its technical name and the film shows theatre. Its technical name and the film shows that the 53 coroherloh the film shows that the 53 coronation was the film shows that the 53 coronation was genuine grand ope coronation was genuine grand ope vou coronation was genuine grand opee vou heve coronation was genuine grand opera. You have the star, the oueeh opera. You have the star, the oueeh lergely opera. You have the star, the queen largely in opera. You have the star, the queen largely in white surrounded queen largely in white surrounded by women, largely in whlle surrounded by women, largely in whlre. Ml surrounded by women, largely in white. And then surrounded by women, largely in white. And then you had a sea of ellerly white. And then you had a sea of elderly gentlemen, white. And then you had a sea of elderly gentlemen, large in some elderly gentlemen, large in scarlet and elderly gentlemen, large in scarlet and white. And he was hle scarlet and white. And he was llle e scarlet and white. And he was like a chorus scarlet and white. And he was like a chorus of scarlet and white. And he was like a chorus of grand opera. Ml like a chorus of grand opera. Ahl egelh like a chorus of grand opera. And again, like like a chorus of grand opera. And again, like a like a chorus of grand opera. And again, like a chorus in ope and again, like a chorus in opee lhey and again, like a chorus in opera. They all and again, like a chorus in opera. They all augmented the eellom opera. They all augmented the eerloh. So opera. They all augmented the eerloh. So er opera. They all augmented the action. So at the opera. They all augmented the action. So at the moment that rhe action. So at the moment that he crown action. So at the moment that the crown was action. So at the moment that the crown was placed upon the ouees the crown was placed upon the ouees heel the crown was placed upon the queens head, all the crown was placed upon the queens head, all the peers coronets went queens head, all the peers coronets went on and all the peeresses ol coronets went on and all the peeresses of course , were in peeresses of course, were in sleeveless peeresses of course, were in sleeveless gowns, raised their h sleeveless gowns, raised their h es sleeveless gowns, raised their arms. It was said sleeveless gowns, raised their arms. It was said like the swans ,ppe arms. It was said like the swans ,ppe ses arms. It was said like the swans ,ppe lh arms. It was said like the swans , the swans in swan arms. It was said like the swans , the swans in swan lake and put her , the swans in swan lake and put their coronets , the swans in swan lake and put their coronets on. , the swans in swan lake and put their coronets on. And this is a remlhler their coronets on. And this is a reminder that their coronets on. And this is a reminder that the their coronets on. And this is a reminder that the sovereign is the reminder that the sovereign is me louhr reminder that the sovereign is me louhr ol reminder that the sovereign is the fount of all reminder that the sovereign is the fount of all honour and that you the fount of all honour and that you pur the fount of all honour and that you pur your the fount of all honour and that you put your coronet directly you put your coronet on directly in you put your coronet on directly lh e you put your coronet on directly lh e um you put your coronet on directly lh e llhl ro you put your coronet on directly in a link to the you put your coronet on directly in a link to the crown going on rhe in a link to the crown going on he crown in a link to the crown going on he crown or in a link to the crown going on the crown of your in a link to the crown going on the crown of your head. E the crown of your head. It is, hul the crown of your head. It is, our lus the crown of your head. It is, our lrs else the crown of your head. It is, but its also the the crown of your head. It is, but its also the theatre of it. If you think back again, if you think back again, dare. If you think back again, dare i. If you think back again, dare l use. If you think back again, dare l rhe. If you think back again, dare i use the word if you think back again, dare i use the word theatre about the lee i use the word theatre about the lee ouees i use the word theatre about the late queens funeral , the late queens funeral, the movement, the moment that was by far movement, the moment that was by ler rhe movement, the moment that was by her he mosr movement, the moment that was by far the most moving movement, the moment that was by far the most moving was one of lormel far the most moving was one of formal ceremony, far the most moving was one of formal ceremony, which people prolelly formal ceremony, which people prolelly lllhr formal ceremony, which people probably didnt understand. It probably didnt understand. It when probably didnt understand. It was when the probably didnt understand. It was when the crown came off the some was when the crown came off the some ehl was when the crown came off the some ehl you was when the crown came off the coffin and you had was when the crown came off the coffin and you had that sense of mohellry coffin and you had that sense of mere mortality motty being left emer mere mortality motty being left after monarchy mere mortality motty being left after monarchy had been stripped mom after monarchy had been stripped from p after monarchy had been stripped from lr. After monarchy had been stripped from lr. Hul after monarchy had been stripped from it. But its after monarchy had been stripped from it. But its the after monarchy had been stripped from it. E from it. But its the symbolism that underpins the theatre. It seems to me that theatre of the sake of theatre is essentially vacuous, but the piers showing loyalty, fealty to the sovereign as representatives of the nation is how our countrys governed. Our constitution used to be used to be, but that they still represent the history and the tradition of that. And the political nation being assembled in the abbey and that the authority of the crown down goes both ways. And the crown takes an oath to the people and the people swear fealty that is then symbolised in a great piece of theatre which is remembered for theatre which is remembered for the rest of the reign. The rest of the reign. Unfortunately, of course the rest of the reign. Unfortunately, of course we have got unfortunately, of course we have gor rll unfortunately, of course we have gor rll ol unfortunately, of course we have gor rll or her unfortunately, of course we have got rid of that theatre and we sulsrlrurel got rid of that theatre and we substituted in got rid of that theatre and we substituted in the wrong place in substituted in the wrong place lh rhe substituted in the wrong place in the service substituted in the wrong place in the service. Substituted in the wrong place in the service. This in the service. This extraordinary business of in the service. This extraordinary business of asking people extraordinary business of asking people who extraordinary business of asking people who lo extraordinary business of asking people who do not understand the vows people who do not understand the worls whleh people who do not understand the words which sound people who do not understand the words which sound like some sort of words which sound like some sort or plelge words which sound like some sort or plelge mom words which sound like some sort of pledge from mussolinis italy in of pledge from mussolinis italy lh rhe of pledge from mussolinis italy lh me lose of pledge from mussolinis italy in the 1930 to of pledge from mussolinis italy in the 1930 to repeat them again if in the 1930 to repeat them again ll rhey in the 1930 to repeat them again ll rhey wee in the 1930 to repeat them again if they were rewriting the coronation, if they were rewriting the coronation, they should have lone coronation, they should have lohe p coronation, they should have done it properly. Coronation, they should have done it properly. Thats to say ,ue done it properly. Thats to say , the coronation done it properly. Thats to say , the coronation oath at the leglmlhg , the coronation oath at the beginning should have been reconceived beginning should have been reconceived so beginning should have been reconceived so that it becomes a sreremem reconceived so that it becomes a statement which reconceived so that it becomes a statement which agree. The king statement which agree. The king geees statement which agree. The king gees ro statement which agree. The king gees ro rule statement which agree. The king agrees to rule according to the revs agrees to rule according to the lews pessel agrees to rule according to the lews pessel ly agrees to rule according to the laws passed by statute in Parliament Laws passed by statute in parliament as laws passed by statute in parliament as representing the Holy Parliament as representing the holy ol parliament as representing the holy or he parliament as representing the body of the people of the realm or somelhhg body of the people of the realm or something. Now, at which polhr or something. Now, at which polm rhere or something. Now, at which point there could then be a it shoull point there could then be a it shoull heve point there could then be a it should have been done by a muruel should have been done by a mutual and. Should have been done by a mutual and ii should have been done by a mutual and i think mutual acclamation. And i think her mutual acclamation. And i think her her mutual acclamation. And i think that that that mutual acclamation. And i think that that that would have eohveyel that that that would have conveyed what used to be eohveyel conveyed what used to be eohveyel ly conveyed what used to be conveyed by elaborate symbolism, by conveyed by elaborate symbolism, ly rhe conveyed by elaborate symbolism, ly rhe horloh conveyed by elaborate symbolism, by the notion of conveyed by elaborate symbolism, by the notion of a conveyed by elaborate symbolism, by the notion of a kind of intermediary by the notion of a kind of intermediary class between the moeh intermediary class between the moeh ehl intermediary class between the monarch and the intermediary class between the monarch and the people. Now long gone. Monarch and the people. Now long gone. Hur monarch and the people. Now long gone. Hur leeve monarch and the people. Now long gone. But leave this monarch and the people. Now long gone. But leave this gaping hole whleh gone. But leave this gaping hole whleh hololy gone. But leave this gaping hole which nobody has gone. But leave this gaping hole which nobody has thought to how fill. Which nobody has thought to how llll ml which nobody has thought to how llll ahl rhls which nobody has thought to how fill. And this is which nobody has thought to how fill. And this is what concerns me fill. And this is what concerns me when fill. And this is what concerns me when you fill. And this is what concerns me when you use fill. And this is what concerns me when you use this word modern lzerloh me when you use this word modern ization, shouldnt me when you use this word modern ization, shouldnt we me when you use this word modern ization, shouldnt we have leemel ization, shouldnt we have learned its ization, shouldnt we have learned its danger from ive elweys learned its danger from ive always thought learned its danger from ive always thought the word modernism always thought the word modernism is always thought the word modernism is a swear word and it shoullhr modernism is a swear word and it shoullhrlusel modernism is a swear word and it shouldnt used before the shouldnt be used before the werershel shouldnt be used before the watershed, gb shouldnt be used before the. Watershed,gb news. Watershed, especially gb news. All watershed, especially gb news. Allwhen, watershed, especially gb news. Andwhen, when, watershed, especially gb news. And when, when, when, and especially when, when, when, when conjunction when its used in conjunction wlrh lrs when its used in conjunction wlrh hs e when its used in conjunction with its a vile with monarchy. Its a vile antithesis. With monarchy. Its a vile antithesis. Its with monarchy. Its a vile antithesis. Its an i mean, to rew antithesis. Its an i mean, to rell elour antithesis. Its an i mean, to rell elour e antithesis. Its an i mean, to talk about a modern monarchy is a talk about a modern monarchy is e sorr talk about a modern monarchy is e sorr ol talk about a modern monarchy is a sort of oxymoron talk about a modern monarchy is a sort of oxymoron. Talk about a modern monarchy is a sort of oxymoron. But the a sort of oxymoron. But the leelry a sort of oxymoron. But the leelry rher a sort of oxymoron. But the fealty that is a sort of oxymoron. But the fealty that is sworn is only going fealty that is sworn is only golhg ro fealty that is sworn is only golhg ro le fealty that is sworn is only going to be sworn by the prince of weles going to be sworn by the prince of weles es going to be sworn by the prince of wales was very going to be sworn by the prince of wales was very symbolic, esr of wales was very symbolic, esr ll of wales was very symbolic, wasnt it, that of wales was very symbolic, wasnt it, that for edward the sevemh wasnt it, that for edward the seventh coronation, i believe rhey seventh coronation, i believe rhey relueel seventh coronation, i believe they reduced it seventh coronation, i believe they reduced it to being one peer they reduced it to being one peer ol they reduced it to being one peer or every they reduced it to being one peer of every rank. Peer of every rank. But to essemhle peer of every rank. But to assemble all the peers and to symbolise the nation and just having it done by the kings son seems to me to be narrowing that. And its therefore not as resounding around the represents lives of the nation. As you see. Its a failure to think through what they did. I mean, imagine if what they did. I mean, imagine ll merry what they did. I mean, imagine ll herry hel what they did. I mean, imagine if harry had had what they did. I mean, imagine if harry had had to what they did. I mean, imagine if harry had had to do w w i mean, imagine if harry had had to do it too. Woullhr if harry had had to do it too. Woullhr h if harry had had to do it too. Wouldnt it have if harry had had to do it too. Wouldnt it have been perfect . Well. Wouldnt it have been perfect . Well. L wouldnt it have been perfect . Well. L rhml wouldnt it have been perfect . Well, i think all wouldnt it have been perfect . Well, i think all the wouldnt it have been perfect . Well, i think all the royal well, i think all the royal dukes should have done it. They dukes should have done it. They always used to. But again, j e they always used to. But again, think all always used to. But again, think ell ol always used to. But again, think ell or rhese always used to. But again, think all of these figures have been lroughr all of these figures have been lroughr lh all of these figures have been brought in like all of these figures have been brought in like leading members of brought in like leading members or he brought in like leading members or me armel brought in like leading members of the armed forces to fulfil rhe of the armed forces to fulfil rhe greer of the armed forces to fulfil the great offices of the armed forces to fulfil the great offices for the day of mm the great offices for the day of high constable the great offices for the day of high constable and high steward as high constable and high steward es rhe high constable and high steward as the generals high constable and high steward as the generals and admirals of the as the generals and admirals of me ermel as the generals and admirals of the armed forces, as the generals and admirals of the armed forces, shouldnt they heve the armed forces, shouldnt they heve lone the armed forces, shouldnt they heve lohe lw the armed forces, shouldnt they have done it . You the armed forces, shouldnt they have done it . You see what i meem have done it . You see what i h have done it . You see what i h we have done it . You see what i mean . If we are have done it . You see what i mean . If we are if we are to reeohsruerr mean . If we are if we are to reconstruct our mean . If we are if we are to reconstruct our political establishment , which reconstruct our political establishment, which is what in emeer establishment, which is what in emeer establishment, which is what in effect were doing establishment, which is what in effect were doing , we should effect were doing, we should heve effect were doing, we should heve lone effect were doing, we should heve lohe ll effect were doing, we should have done it properly. It should have done it properly. It should heve have done it properly. It should heve heel have done it properly. It should have been done have done it properly. It should have been done with advisement. Have been done with advisement. It have been done with advisement. H shoull have been done with advisement. It should have have been done with advisement. It should have been have been done with advisement. It should have been thought wrough it should have been thought rhrough. Ml it should have been thought through. And it it should have been thought through. And it should been through. And it should have been fully through. And it should have been fully levelopel through. And it should have been fully developed at through. And it should have been fully developed at the moment, through. And it should have been fullyis eveloped at the moment, through. And it should have been fullyis justoped at the moment, through. And it should have been fullyis just sort at the moment, through. And it should have been fullyis just sort of the moment, through. And it should have been fullyis just sort of nibblingnent, through. And it should have been fullyis just sort of nibbling atit, this is just sort of nibbling at llrs this is just sort of nibbling at he or this is just sort of nibbling at bits of cheese. This is just sort of nibbling at bits of cheese. E bits of cheese. But isnt that how its happened that if how its always happened that if you back to the coronation of you go back to the coronation of king edgar by saint dunstan, its been nibbled at all the way through with the wonderful thing that Queen Victorias coronation when the American Ambassador supposedly that lord supposedly reported that lord rolle had carried out his ceremonial role of rolling down the stairs, in fact the stairs, when in fact hed fallen the barony fallen over holding the barony of rolle by the by by the service. Lets get all this rlghr. Service. Lets get all this right. Holding t. Wit lets get all this right. Holding the barony of hole right. Holding the barony of lolle ly right. Holding the barony of lolle ly rhe right. Holding the barony of rolle by the service of rolling rhree lhreei three times. Remember three rlmes. Three times. Remember three rlmes. Hem. Three times. Remember three times. Yeah. But three times. Remember three times. Yeah. But no , actually, times. Yeah. But no, actually, resol times. Yeah. But no, actually, resolt wee times. Yeah. But no, actually, jacob, were going to have to slop jacob, were going to have to srop oh jacob, were going to have to shop on her. Jacob, were going to have to stop on that. No, jacob, were going to have to stop on that. \witw gwitw stop on that. No, weve got a point of disagreement. Thank you, david. Up next, its the moment youve all been waiting for. Be for. Doctor starkey will be helping the mystery of helping me crack the mystery of my. Own stone. Welcome back. Im Jacob Rees Mogg , and this is still rees mogg, and this is still state of the nation from a crepuscular Buckingham Palace. Crepuscular Buckingham Palace. Youve been getting in touch with your mail. Motty damian, can you ask David Starkey if camilla will be queen consort or queen . Shes going to be the queen. Definitely unquestionably. And thats already been announced by Buckingham Palace. So i can answer that without asking the great david mark says, please bear mind scone is bear in mind that scone is pronounced scoon vis a vis the stone of scone. Right i quite like scone actually, particularly with jam on, but never mind that. Ill get, ill get the cornish on to me in a moment or the devenish but perhaps a little known but riveting story came to the limelight today as former Scottish First minister alex salmond criticised the current first minister. That seems a popular sport at the moment. Humza yousaf for allowing the legendary and mystical stone of scone, as im told pronounce it, to return to Westminster Abbey for coronation but what for the coronation but what is the of scone . Well, its the stone of scone . Well, its shrouded in mystery and legend. Some say it originates from scotland, others from ireland, and some indeed say it comes from the holy land , hence its from the holy land, hence its other rather fitting name , other rather fitting name, jacobs pillow stone. Now, jacobs pillow stone. Now, thats jacob, the patriarch. Thats jacob, the patriarch. Not, sadly, me. I dont sleep on a stone pillow or even like thomas. More on a wooden pillow. Jacob, the patriarch, rested his head on the stone when he had his dream of angels ascending and descending the ladden ascending and descending the ladder. It then came to scotland, but in 1296, during the first scottish war of independence , as legend has it, independence, as legend has it, that the king, king edward, the first, the hammer of the scots, rescued the stone and subsequently fitted it into the coronation chair where it has been placed for most british sovereigns. Coronations since sovereigns. Coronations since the stone has had an exciting life or its exciting life as a stone can have. Although theres no record of anyone playing ducks and drakes with it. But its gone from the patriarch to longshanks to a suffragette bombing in 1914 it was bombing in 1914 when it was abducted in the 1950s by a group of scottish nationalists, which even resulted in the closing of the Scottish Border for the first time in 400 years. But im now joined by the devout unionist and former brexit party mep, mr brian monteith. Brian, the stone of scone, was it jacobs pillow . Thats the question for tonight. It well, question for tonight. It well, ive absolutely no idea t t g e well, ive absolutely no idea if it resols ive absolutely no idea if it was jacobs pillow and i dont rhlhl was jacobs pillow and i dont rhlhl p was jacobs pillow and i dont think it would was jacobs pillow and i dont think it would make a particularly think it would make a particularly good pillow for you. Particularly good pillow for you. Our particularly good pillow for you. But what particularly good pillow for you. But what i particularly good pillow for you. But what i do think is that alex you. But what i do think is that Alex Salmonds you. But what i do think is that Alex Salmonds intervention was the Alex Salmonds intervention was me helghr Alex Salmonds intervention was me helghr ol Alex Salmonds intervention was the height of absurdity in rrylhg the height of absurdity in rrylhg ro the height of absurdity in rrylhg ro sey the height of absurdity in trying to say there should have heel trying to say there should have leeh e trying to say there should have leeh e rlhg trying to say there should have leeh e leg or trying to say there should have been a ring of policemen put rouhl been a ring of policemen put rouhl rhe been a ring of policemen put round the stone been a ring of policemen put round the stone to prevent it helhg round the stone to prevent it helhg relen round the stone to prevent it being taken down to england. Wher being taken down to england. Utter madness being taken down to england. Utter madness. Being taken down to england. Utter madness. Yes witw. cl utter madness. Yes youre not seymg utter madness. Yes youre not saying it was a publicity stunt by alex salmond to just bring himself to attention and have a p0p himself to attention and have a pop at his successor . Has he done much like his successors as leader of the snp . Does he know . No, he doesnt. But i think it was more than . No, he doesnt. But i think it was more than just 7 no, he doesnt. But i think it was more than just trying to lrew was more than just trying to draw attention was more than just trying to draw attention to himself. I rhlhl draw attention to himself. I think actually draw attention to himself. I think actually it is a desperate errempr think actually it is a desperate errempr ro think actually it is a desperate errempr ro rry think actually it is a desperate attempt to try and appeal to hem attempt to try and appeal to herl sore attempt to try and appeal to hard core nationalists and sort of hard core nationalists and sort or wool hard core nationalists and sort or llool ehl hard core nationalists and sort of blood and soil hard core nationalists and sort of blood and soil National Lists who of blood and soil National Lists who lopr of blood and soil National Lists who dont believe of blood and soil National Lists who dont believe there needs to be who dont believe there needs to he e who dont believe there needs to he e luslhess who dont believe there needs to be a business case. Who dont believe there needs to be a business case. The people mer be a business case. The people he lusl be a business case. The people that just think be a business case. The people that just think actually they shoull that just think actually they should paint that just think actually they should paint their faces in wood ehl should paint their faces in wood ehl well should paint their faces in wood and walk down should paint their faces in wood and walk down the high street wlrh and walk down the high street wlrh wevlhg and walk down the high street with waving saltire flags. And rhls with waving saltire flags. And rhls wlll with waving saltire flags. And this will somehow change peoples this will somehow change peoples opinions. This was the peoples opinions. This was the group peoples opinions. This was the group rher peoples opinions. This was the group that effectively alex selmohl group that effectively alex salmond was group that effectively alex salmond was appealing to by seylhg salmond was appealing to by seylhg we salmond was appealing to by seylhg we heel salmond was appealing to by saying we need to prevent the slope saying we need to prevent the sole or saying we need to prevent the stone of scone saying we need to prevent the stone of scone going down to westminster. Stone of scone going down to westminster. Well i think if we wheh westminster. Well i think if we wheh llhg westminster. Well i think if we when king james westminster. Well i think if we when king james the sixth, went lowh when king james the sixth, went love em when king james the sixth, went lowh ehl es when king james the sixth, went down and was crowned on it, he did down and was crowned on it, he lll hor down and was crowned on it, he did not actually down and was crowned on it, he did not actually then take it heel did not actually then take it heel ro did not actually then take it back to scotland. None of the slum back to scotland. None of the sum llhgs back to scotland. None of the stuart kings took back to scotland. None of the stuart kings took it back to seorlehl. Stuart kings took it back to scotland. It stuart kings took it back to scotland. It stayed there as the slope scotland. It stayed there as the slope ro scotland. It stayed there as the slope ro le scotland. It stayed there as the stone to be coronated on on for all stone to be coronated on on for ell hrlrlsh stone to be coronated on on for all british kings. Stone to be coronated on on for all british kings. Thereafter so. So all british kings. Thereafter so. So lo all british kings. Thereafter so. So lo you all british kings. Thereafter so. So do you think all british kings. Thereafter so. So do you think most all british kings. Thereafter so. So do you think most people in scotland actually are pleased that the stone of scone is coming back for the coronation that its a wonderful link with the ancient scottish monarchy and that its absolutely fitting that it will be in the chair built for it by king edward , the built for it by king edward, the first well, if im perfectly honest with you, i think most scots are actually indifferent to the whole issue. I think we to the whole issue. I think we eeruelly to the whole issue. I think we actually know to the whole issue. I think we actually know that i think we actually know that from pauline mer actually know that from pauline her he actually know that from pauline that the majority actually know that from pauline that the majority of scots reelly that the majority of scots reelly heve that the majority of scots really have not got a great deal of really have not got a great deal or lhreresr really have not got a great deal of interest in really have not got a great deal of interest in the really have not got a great deal of interest in the coronation lrsell of interest in the coronation lrsell. Ml of interest in the coronation lrsell. Ahl l of interest in the coronation itself. And i rather suspect rhers itself. And i rather suspect rhers lh itself. And i rather suspect rhers lh perr itself. And i rather suspect thats in part due to the way her thats in part due to the way her rhls thats in part due to the way that this coronation is taking pleee that this coronation is taking pleee wlrh that this coronation is taking place with the that this coronation is taking place with the loss of some rrellrlom place with the loss of some rrellrlom l place with the loss of some tradition. I think place with the loss of some tradition. I think the more rrellrloh tradition. I think the more tradition, the tradition. I think the more tradition, the better , the more tradition, the better, the more pomp tradition, the better, the more pomp ehl tradition, the better, the more pomp and circumstance, the heme pomp and circumstance, the peer. Pomp and circumstance, the peer. Ml pomp and circumstance, the better. And part pomp and circumstance, the better. And part. While the better. And part. While the slope better. And part. While the sole or better. And part. While the stone of scone better. And part. While the stone of scone is part of that, i stone of scone is part of that, l reelly stone of scone is part of that, l reelly lopr stone of scone is part of that, i really dont think this coronation i really dont think this coronation has connected with seors coronation has connected with seors ehl coronation has connected with seors ehl ll coronation has connected with scots and it may coronation has connected with scots and it may not have perrleulerly scots and it may not have particularly connected with a lot particularly connected with a lol or particularly connected with a lot of british particularly connected with a lot of british people, even rhough lot of british people, even rhough rhey lot of british people, even though they are monarchists. Though they are monarchists. Oley. Though they are monarchists. Oley. Well though they are monarchists. Okay. Well, thank though they are monarchists. Okay. Well, thank you though they are monarchists. Okay. Well, thank you very much, bnan. Okay. Well, thank you very much, brian. Still here with me to brian. Still here with me to discern through this historical jungle of folklore fable and fallacy is the perfect man for the job. Its not david suchet who dresses up as inspector hercule poirot. Its David Starkey, who is an equally good detective. Its interesting that detective. Its interesting that until i, the early scottish kings who became kings of england, had a separate coronation even in scotland as well, because there was completely separate monarchies. Completely separate monarchies. So its only after 1707 that you have the union of the monarchies and one coronation, the last the last no , the last the last last no, the last the last separate coronation of a king of scots is charles second before he becomes king of england, before he becomes king of england, in with the rest. England, in with the rest. Narration the will and james england, in with the rest. Narration the will and james the seohl narration the will and james the second doesnt narration the will and james the second doesnt have nor do wllllem second doesnt have nor do william and second doesnt have nor do william and mary, but obviously the william and mary, but obviously rhe lssue william and mary, but obviously rhe ls william and mary, but obviously the issue is settled finally by the issue is settled finally by rhe eer the issue is settled finally by me eer ol the issue is settled finally by the act of union the issue is settled finally by the act of union of 1707. But you the act of union of 1707. But you see the act of union of 1707. But you rhere the act of union of 1707. But you see there is the act of union of 1707. But you see there is a the act of union of 1707. But you see there is a theres a remlhle you see there is a theres a terrible missed you see there is a theres a terrible missed opportunity in all terrible missed opportunity in ell ol terrible missed opportunity in ell of ms terrible missed opportunity in all of this, which terrible missed opportunity in all of this, which of course, alex all of this, which of course, alex salmon all of this, which of course, alex salmon seized upon. You mow. Alex salmon seized upon. You know when alex salmon seized upon. You know, when whenever he smells ehyrhlhg know, when whenever he smells ehyrhlhg rlshy know, when whenever he smells anything fishy for know, when whenever he smells anything fishy for obvious reasons, he anything fishy for obvious reasons, he pounces. There is heve reasons, he pounces. There is heve you reasons, he pounces. There is heve you see reasons, he pounces. There is have you seen the reasons, he pounces. There is have you seen the text of the coroherloh have you seen the text of the Coronation Service . Have you loolel Coronation Service . Have you loolel er Coronation Service . Have you looked at it . Coronation service . Have you looked at it . No, Coronation Service . Have you looked at it . No, its worth loollhg looked at it . No, its worth loollhg er looked at it . No, its worth looking at because for the first rlme looking at because for the first rlme mere looking at because for the first rlme rhere ls looking at because for the first time there is a looking at because for the first time there is a commentary going lowh time there is a commentary going lowh whleh time there is a commentary going lowh whleh l time there is a commentary going down, which i am time there is a commentary going down, which i am sure written by arehllshop down, which i am sure written by archbishop welby, down, which i am sure written by archbishop welby, going down the rlghr archbishop welby, going down the rlghr hehl archbishop welby, going down the right hand column archbishop welby, going down the right hand column and what it tells right hand column and what it lells ro right hand column and what it lells rolls right hand column and what it fails to. Islexplain right hand column and what it fails to is explain the fails to do is to explain the extraordinary fails to do is to explain the extraordinary and special poslrloh extraordinary and special poslrloh lh extraordinary and special position in of extraordinary and special position in of scotland within wlrhlh position in of scotland within within union, position in of scotland within within union, because of course the within union, because of course he srohe within union, because of course he srohe es within union, because of course the stone as salmon said, symbol wrs. The stone as salmon said, symbol wlrs. Llwerls the stone as salmon said, symbol mrs. Edwards attempt to eohluesr mrs. Edwards attempt to conquest that mrs. Edwards attempt to conquest that which fails and is resouhllhg conquest that which fails and is resounding the conquest that which fails and is resounding the defeated at bannockburn resounding the defeated at bannockburn in the next reign of llwerl bannockburn in the next reign of llwerl ll bannockburn in the next reign of llwerl ll hur bannockburn in the next reign of edward ii. But what happens in 1707 edward ii. But what happens in woo ls edward ii. But what happens in woo ls rhe edward ii. But what happens in 1707 is the most edward ii. But what happens in 1707 is the most remarkable evemple 1707 is the most remarkable evemple ol 1707 is the most remarkable evemple or e 1707 is the most remarkable example of a willed union lerweeh example of a willed union between two example of a willed union between two peoples that reseesrv between two peoples that reserves for between two peoples that reserves for the smaller, the mush reserves for the smaller, the much smaller reserves for the smaller, the much smaller nation. That is to say, much smaller nation. That is to sey. Seorlehl much smaller nation. That is to say, scotland albie much smaller nation. That is to say, scotland albie absolute proreerloh say, scotland albie absolute protection of say, scotland albie absolute protection of every separate elemehr protection of every separate elemem ol protection of every separate element of nationhood apart from its element of nationhood apart from lrs ow element of nationhood apart from its own parliament. Element of nationhood apart from its own parliament. And all rhose its own parliament. And all those elements its own parliament. And all those elements will be present in those elements will be present lh rhe those elements will be present in the service. Those elements will be present in the service. So those elements will be present in the service. So the moderator of in the service. So the moderator or he in the service. So the moderator of the general in the service. So the moderator of the General Assembly will presehr of the General Assembly will presem rhe of the General Assembly will present the bible to the soverelgh present the bible to the sovereign and has been at prevlous sovereign and has been at previous coronations since 19. Lhls previous coronations since 19. Lhls ls previous coronations since 19. Lhls ls hor previous coronations since 19. This is not well, previous coronations since 19. This is not well, it was in less. This is not well, it was in less. Lur this is not well, it was in 1953, but equally , of course, 1953, but equally, of course, he 1953, but equally, of course, the monarch 1953, but equally, of course, the monarch has 1953, but equally, of course, the monarch has to swear special oerhs the monarch has to swear special oerhs ro the monarch has to swear special oaths to protect the monarch has to swear special oaths to protect the the monarch has to swear special oaths to protect the has already lone oaths to protect the has already lohe so oaths to protect the has already lohe so ehl oaths to protect the has already done so and has oaths to protect the has already done so and has already done so on he done so and has already done so on me oh done so and has already done so on me on he done so and has already done so on the on the accession because it on the on the accession because lr ls on the on the accession because lr ls relulrel on the on the accession because lr ls regulrel ly on the on the accession because it is required by the on the on the accession because it is required by the separate seorrlsh it is required by the separate scottish legislation that govems scottish legislation that governs 1689 scottish legislation that governs 1689 in scotland. Slmllerly governs 1689 in scotland. Similarly the governs 1689 in scotland. Similarly the you will see the low similarly the you will see the lorl lyoh similarly the you will see the lord lyon, scotland has got when we were looking lord lyon, scotland has got when we were looking at lord lyon, scotland has got when we were looking at the stone of soone we were looking at the stone of scope or we were looking at the stone of scope or ls we were looking at the stone of scope or ls ll we were looking at the stone of scone or is it the we were looking at the stone of scone or is it the other way rouhl scone or is it the other way rouhl wheh scone or is it the other way round when we scone or is it the other way round when we were looking at it mere round when we were looking at it here you round when we were looking at it here you heve round when we were looking at it there you have the round when we were looking at it there you have the duke of hueeleueh there you have the duke of buccleuch as there you have the duke of buccleuch as the captain of the seorrlsh buccleuch as the captain of the scottish archers. Buccleuch as the captain of the scottish archers. But in the mlllle. Scottish archers. But in the mlllle. You scottish archers. But in the middle. You then have the middle. But you then have the lorl middle. But you then have the lorlrhe middle. But you then have the lordthe head middle. But you then have the lordthe head of lord lyon, the head of scotlands lord lyon, the head of scotlands separate system of herellry. Scotlands separate system of herellry. He scotlands separate system of heraldry. He will scotlands separate system of heraldry. He will be there with the heraldry. He will be there with me seorrlsh heraldry. He will be there with the scottish heralds, who will be the scottish heralds, who will he rhere. The scottish heralds, who will he here. So the scottish heralds, who will be there. So in the scottish heralds, who will be there. So in every way seorlehl be there. So in every way scotland preserves this identity and separateness scotland preserves this identity and separateness within the uhloh and separateness within the uhloh ehl and separateness within the union and under the crown and the union and under the crown and me shone union and under the crown and me sole or union and under the crown and the stone of scone union and under the crown and the stone of scone symbolises rhls the stone of scone symbolises rhls very the stone of scone symbolises this very directly the stone of scone symbolises this very directly. The stone of scone symbolises this very directly. In the stone of scone symbolises this very directly. In other this very directly. In other worls this very directly. In other words, what this very directly. In other words, what had been the symbol of words, what had been the symbol or eohluesre words, what had been the symbol of conquest . To words, what had been the symbol of conquest . To thats say, the propechel of conquest . To thats say, the projected conquest now becomes a symhol projected conquest now becomes a symhol ol projected conquest now becomes a symbol of reconciliation and eoopererloh symbol of reconciliation and cooperation. And symbol of reconciliation and cooperation. And that should heve cooperation. And that should heve heel cooperation. And that should have been spelled out. And it ro have been spelled out. And it seems to me like have been spelled out. And it seems to me like so many opporruhe seems to me like so many opportune entities that could heve opportune entities that could heve heel opportune entities that could have been spelled out in this common. Have been spelled out in this coronation, theres been a lellure coronation, theres been a lellure ro coronation, theres been a failure to do coronation, theres been a failure to do so. E coronation, theres been a failure to do so. Ti failure to do so. But can you rule on the key matter of whether it was, in fact, jacobs pillow and whether he rested his head there when he had the dream of the angels going up . And i think is more of the angels going up . And i thinklismore likely. Of the angels going up . And i thinklismore likely toj think it is much more likely to be think it is much more likely to heol think it is much more likely to heol gehulhe think it is much more likely to be of genuine scottish be a bit of genuine scottish hulllers be a bit of genuine scottish builders rubble be a bit of genuine scottish builders rubble. � valwittt builders rubble. Well, im not sure i like the idea of it being in fact , a stone made forjacob in fact, a stone made forjacob to snooze on the snoozing stone of scone for the patriarch. Jacob, thank you so much to the laudable David Starkey for joining me on whats becoming a relatively chilly evening outside Buckingham Palace. And if you havent watched his brilliant documentary already , brilliant documentary already, you really should. Its available on the Youtube Channel andifs available on the Youtube Channel and its on watch bag and all those things that you can do. But thats all from me. Those things that you can do. But thats all from me. Up those things that you can do. But thats all from me. Up next, but thats all from me. Up next, its the king of royal coverage dan wootton mr wootton , what dan wootton mr wootton, what have you got in store for us this evening . Well, jacob, im so glel this evening . Well, jacob, im so glel rher this evening . Well, jacob, im so glad that ive this evening . Well, jacob, im so glad that ivebeen tg7 well, jacob, im so glad that ive been able so glad that ive just been able to so glad that ive just been able ro eell so glad that ive just been able ro eell. So glad that ive just been able to call. Calm, to watch your call. Calm, eolleerel to watch your call. Calm, collected outside collected manner outside huellhghem collected manner outside Buckingham Palace today rather rheh Buckingham Palace today rather rheh hevlhg Buckingham Palace today rather rheh hevlhg ro Buckingham Palace today rather than having to involved. But than having to get involved. But you leservel than having to get involved. But you deserved that than having to get involved. But you deserved that clip to go vlrel you deserved that clip to go vlrel lesr you deserved that clip to go viral last night, you deserved that clip to go viral last night, my friend, heeuse viral last night, my friend, heeuse h viral last night, my friend, because it was viral last night, my friend, because it was just astonishing slum because it was just astonishing slum hur because it was just astonishing stuff. But were because it was just astonishing stuff. But were going to eohrlhue stuff. But were going to continue the stuff. But were going to continue the coronation eovereeg we continue the coronation coverage. We have celia walden in coverage. We have celia walden lh rhe coverage. We have celia walden lh rhe house coverage. We have celia walden in the house, angela levin in he in the house, angela levin in me house in the house, angela levin in the house, plus in the house, angela levin in the house, plus nigel farage reeesr the house, plus nigel farage reeesr llve the house, plus nigel farage reacts live to the house, plus nigel farage reacts live to his the house, plus nigel farage reacts live to his bombshell lhrervlew reacts live to his bombshell interview with reacts live to his bombshell interview with trump. Well that interview with trump. Well that souhls interview with trump. Well that soul reelly interview with trump. Well that sounds really exciting and a lehresrle sounds really exciting and a fantastic cast sounds really exciting and a fantastic cast of sounds really exciting and a fantastic cast of characters rhers fantastic cast of characters thats coming fantastic cast of characters thats coming up after the weehher thats coming up after the weerher. Thats coming up after the weerher. L thats coming up after the weather. I hope thats coming up after the weather. Ct gwit. Weather. I hope itll get to warm up a bit. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 pm. Live again from Buckingham Palace, im Jacob Rees Mogg. And this has been state of the nation. Hello been state of the nation. Hello there. Welcome to our t itwtw hello there. Welcome to our latest hroeleesr there. Welcome to our latest broadcast from there. Welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office. Lm broadcast from the met office. Lm oreg broadcast from the met office. Im Greg Dewhurst drive for many rhe im Greg Dewhurst drive for many rhe herr im Greg Dewhurst drive for many over the next 24 im Greg Dewhurst drive for many over the next 24 hours, though, we over the next 24 hours, though, esee over the next 24 hours, though, wesee some rain over the next 24 hours, though, we see some rain turning up we will see some rain turning up in we will see some rain turning up lh rhe we will see some rain turning up in the southwest we will see some rain turning up in the southwest and it will rum wlhly in the southwest and it will rum wlhly. In the southwest and it willi turn windy , too. In the southwest and it will turn windy , too. We turn increasingly windy, too. We mer turn increasingly windy, too. We can see that isobars getting can see that the isobars getting lose can see that the isobars getting closer hese can see that the isobars getting closer these weather closer together as these weather sysrems closer together as these weather sysrems sherr closer together as these weather systems start. Move closer together as these weather systems start move in from systems start to move in from he systems start to move in from me arlemlet systems start to move in from the atlantic, bringing the risk of the atlantic, bringing the risk ollhlrlelly the atlantic, bringing the risk ofinitially to of rain initially to southwestern of the uk. Southwestern parts of the uk. Hur southwestern parts of the uk. Huh hhls southwestern parts of the uk. But this pushing southwestern parts of the uk. But this pushing northward as we heel but this pushing northward as we heel hhrough but this pushing northward as we head through into but this pushing northward as we head through into the long weelehl head through into the long weekend and head through into the long weekend and fairly quiet end to the weekend and fairly quiet end to hheouh weekend and fairly quiet end to theout there weekend and fairly quiet end to theout there this weekend and fairly quiet end to the out there this evening. The day out there this evening. Some the day out there this evening. Someeloul the day out there this evening. Somecloud in the day out there this evening. Some cloud in places, some misty low cloud in places, shlll some misty low cloud in places, shlll some some misty low cloud in places, still some rain some misty low cloud in places, still some rain across northern seohlehl. Still some rain across northern scotland. This still some rain across northern scotland. This continues during the scotland. This continues during hhehours scotland. This continues during thehours, but scotland. This continues during thehours, but for scotland. This continues during the hours, but for most it the early hours, but for most it wlll the early hours, but for most it wlll he the early hours, but for most it wlll helluleh the early hours, but for most it will be quiet night. Some will be a quiet night. Some eleer will be a quiet night. Some eleer spells will be a quiet night. Some clear spells , will be a quiet night. Some clear spells , some mist fog clear spells, some mist and fog pehehes. Clear spells, some mist and fog pehehes. Lulhe clear spells, some mist and fog patches. Quite as clear spells, some mist and fog patches. Quite as chilly as patches. Not quite as chilly as resem patches. Not quite as chilly as recent nights, patches. Not quite as chilly as recent nights,in recent nights, but in the eouhhryslle recent nights, but in the countryside we could see temperatures countryside we could see temperatures down to around 3 or 4 temperatures down to around 3 or hhuh temperatures down to around 3 or hhuh hh temperatures down to around 3 or hhuh lh mees temperatures down to around 3 or 4 but it means fairly 4 celsius. But it means a fairly hrlghh 4 celsius. But it means a fairly hrlghh sherr 4 celsius. But it means a fairly bright start thursday bright start to thursday momlhg. Bright start to thursday morning. Some sunny spells, low elouls morning. Some sunny spells, low eloulslllh morning. Some sunny spells, low cloudslift and morning. Some sunny spells, low clouds lift and break, clouds should lift and break, huh clouds should lift and break, huh we clouds should lift and break, huh we wlll clouds should lift and break, but we will heavy clouds should lift and break, but we willheavy rain but we will see some heavy rain movlhg but we will see some heavy rain movlhghhe but we will see some heavy rain moving the south west of moving into the south west of lhglehl. England. This particularly elleehlhg england. This particularly affecting parts of devon and comwell affecting parts of devon and cornwall through the day. But lhho cornwall through the day. But into afternoon cornwall through the day. But into afternoon pushes into into the afternoon pushes into perhs leheri into the afternoon pushes into. Perhs leher oh parts of wales and then later on lhho parts of wales and then later on lhho rhe parts of wales and then later on into the midlands. Parts of wales and then later on into the midlands. Elsewhere, plehhy into the midlands. Elsewhere, plehhy ol into the midlands. Elsewhere, plehhy or sumy into the midlands. Elsewhere, plenty of sunny spells , a keen plenty of sunny spells, a keen eesherly plenty of sunny spells, a keen easterly wind plenty of sunny spells, a keen easterly wind though , holding easterly wind though, holding heel easterly wind though, holding back temperatures along the east eoesh back temperatures along the east eoeshlll back temperatures along the east eoeshlllllz back temperatures along the east coasti11. 12 celsius, back temperatures along the east coast 11 12 celsius, but coast, 11 or 12 celsius, but epproeehlhg coast, 11 or 12 celsius, but approaching 20 coast, 11 or 12 celsius, but approaching 20 degrees across eehhrel approaching 20 degrees across central areas approaching 20 degrees across central areas in approaching 20 degrees across central areas in the best of the suhshlhe central areas in the best of the sunshine into central areas in the best of the sunshine into the central areas in the best of the sunshine into the evening time. Rurhher sunshine into the evening time. Rurhher showery sunshine into the evening time. Further showery bands of rain wlll further showery bands of rain will continue further showery bands of rain will continue to further showery bands of rain will continue to push northwards, will continue to push northwards, merging to give some longer northwards, merging to give some home spells northwards, merging to give some home spells ol northwards, merging to give some longer spells of rain, which wlll longer spells of rain, which wllllheevy longer spells of rain, which will heavy times will be heavy at times dry perhs will be heavy at times dry across parts scotland. Some across parts of scotland. Some low elleehlhg across parts of scotland. Some low affecting the i low clouds still affecting the eesh low clouds still affecting the eesh here low clouds still affecting the east here and low clouds still affecting the east here and then behind the hell east here and then behind the hell or east here and then behind the hell or reh east here and then behind the band of rain, we east here and then behind the band of rain, we will see lurhher band of rain, we will seei lurhher lh band of rain, we will see further in from band of rain, we will see furt south. In from band of rain, we will see furt south. So in from band of rain, we will see furt south. So itin from band of rain, we will see furt south. So it means in from the south. So it means temperatures the south. So it means temperatures not falling as low. We temperatures not falling as low. We wlll temperatures not falling as low. We will continue temperatures not falling as low. We will continue to see single llgures we will continue to see single llgures hh we will continue to see single rlgures he he we will continue to see single figures in the countryside, howls figures in the countryside, howhs ehl figures in the countryside, towns and cities holding up in louhle towns and cities holding up in double figures. Towns and cities holding up in double figures. But it means a mush double figures. But it means a mushsherr double figures. But it means a mushsherh ho double figures. But it means a much start to friday. Much cloudier start to friday. Showery much cloudier start to friday. Showery outbreaks of rain for eveoryhe showery outbreaks of rain for everyone. Then showery outbreaks of rain for everyone. Then the everyone. And then into the elherhooh everyone. And then into the afternoon get everyone. And then into the. Afternoon get some afternoon where we get some sumy afternoon where we get some sunny reelly afternoon where we get some. Sunny really heavy sunny spells, some really heavy showers sunny spells, some really heavy showers developing, some hhuhlert showers developing, some thunder,hail showers developing, some thunder, hail in there, thunder, some hail in there, hoo thunder, some hail in there, hoehh thunder, some hail in there, too. In between thunder, some hail in there, too. In between where thunder, some hail in there, too. In between where get too. But in between where we get the sunshine, again, temperatures lifting towards the mid temperatures lifting towards the mll heels temperatures lifting towards the mll heehs. Temperatures lifting towards the mll heehs. H temperatures lifting towards the mid teens. It stays unsettled mid teens. It stays unsettled lhho mid teens. It stays unsettled lhho rhe mid teens. It stays unsettled into the weekend. Well see some into the weekend. Well see some showers into the weekend. Well see some showers or longer into the weekend. Well see some showers or longerof into the weekend. Well see some showers or longer of rain showers or longer spells of rain in showers or longer spells of rain lh sheylhg showers or longer spells of rain lh sheylhg oh showers or longer spells of rain in staying on the l in places. But staying on the werm egelhl in places. But staying on the wermeel gh l soon no spin, no bias, no censorship. Im wootton. Censorship. Im dan wootton. Tonight at the kings historic coronation is now just days away and still the sussex circus continues to threaten to overshadow the glorious occasion sussex has had to wait for some time to really get that confirmation that they were 100 welcome at this event. So confirmation that they were 100 welcome at this event. 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