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The burgeoning superpower , the the burgeoning superpower, the long flowing river of Civil Service remainer tears has reached its waterfall as former chief mandarin lord macdonald confessed his to have breached the Civil Service code by admitting to colleagues his remainer inclinations as they cw remainer inclinations as they cry died and wailed over the brexit referendum result. It merely reinforces what we all knew to be true plus , is there knew to be true plus, is there a net zero shaped open goal staring the tories in the face . New polling has suggested the pubuc new polling has suggested the public hugely favour reducing the cost of living over net zero policies. Its not surprising, but the question is will the government listen to the voice of the people state of the nafion of the people state of the nation starts now. Ill also be nation starts now. Ill also be joined by a star studded panel this evening. Gb news is personal ray of sunshine. Dr. Personal ray of sunshine. Dr. David starkey and the equally sunny gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. As commentator nigel nelson. As always, i want to hear from you. Its the most important part of the programme. Email me mailmogg gbnews. Uk. Of the programme. Email me mailmogg gbnews. Uk. Com. But now mailmogg gbnews. Uk. Com. But now its mailmogg gbnews. Uk. Com. But now wsfime mailmogg gbnews. Uk. Com. But now its time for the news of the day with tatiana sanchez. Day with tatiana sanchez. Jacob, thank you very much and good evening. This is the latest from the gb newsroom. The Prime Minister has told the house of commons the sanctity of westminster must be protected following spy following chinese spy allegations. It comes after an unnamed parliamentary researcher who was arrested in march issued a statement saying hes completely innocent. Rishi sunak , whos been facing calls to designate china as a National Security threat , told mps such security threat, told mps such actions will not be tolerated. Actions will not be tolerated. The whole house is rightly appalled about reports of espionage in this building. The sanctity of this place must be protected and the right of members to speak their minds without fear or sanction must be maintained. We will defend our democracy and our security. So democracy and our security. So i was emphatic with premier li that actions which seek to undermine british democracy are completely unacceptable and will never be tolerated. Never be tolerated. Labour leader sir keir starmer has called on the Prime Minister to reveal what he knew and when. And when. China is a strategic challenge , thats for sure. And challenge, thats for sure. And what we need is a policy that is clear and is settled. Now we clear and is settled. Now we havent had that for the last ten years. Weve had division and inconsistency from this government. But i think this government. But i think this morning theres a very big question now for the Prime Minister which is, was this raised when these arrests took place back in march or has it only been raised now that its come into the Public Domain . I think thats the central question that needs to be answered by the Prime Minister today. Gb news sources have confirmed terror suspect Daniel Khalife has been taken to belmarsh security prison. Belmarsh high security prison. The 21 year old appeared in court today, charged after escaping from wandsworth prison last week. He was arrested on last week. He was arrested on saturday after a four day manhunt. Westminster Magistrates Court was told the former soldier allegedly escaped by strapping himself to a food delivery vehicle using material which may have been bedsheets. Khalife disappeared while awaiting trial after being charged with terror offences in january. Administrators have january. Administrators have said a further 9100 wilko employees will be made redundant by early october. It employees will be made redundant by early october. It comes after a last ditch bailout by hmv failed and the company had been in discussions to buy around 200 stores in the first. 24 outlets are now scheduled to shut their doors tomorrow. And finally , doors tomorrow. And finally, pubsin doors tomorrow. And finally, pubs in england and wales can continue selling takeaway pints as relaxed licencing rules have been extended. The rules brought been extended. The rules brought in to help pubs during covid lockdowns, pubs can now keep on selling pints until march 2025. They were meant to end this month after having been extended twice. Policing minister chris philp says its vital that we do everything we can to support british pubs. This is gb news british pubs. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Jacob news. Now its back to. Jacob the nhs has petrol almost scandals. We recently heard that scandals. We recently heard that lucy letby has been found guilty of murders and that demonstrated some of the problems. As Allison Pearson put it. The nhs is warped. Human resources culture puts the wellbeing of staff above the safety of patients. Above the safety of patients. But before that we had the nottingham maternity scandal, which the independent midwife leading the investigation said families were simply not listened to and pushed away. This is a key point. Not listening to families pushing them away. Back in 2021, there was the young 13 Year Old Girl who died from sepsis after kings college, London Hospital staff failed to identify and properly treat the case and failed to listen to the parents who were increasingly concerned. There was also the shrewsbury and telford maternity scandal in which many babies suffered brain damage or died and mothers were left to take the blame. Once left to take the blame. Once again, not listening to the patient and their immediate families. If patient and their immediate families. If we look back at history, there are other horrifying cases the Harold Shipman case, the serial killer who murdered roughly people. Who murdered roughly 250 people. Theres the contaminated blood scandal, the Staffordshire Hospital scandal, thalidomide primodos the evidence is pretty conclusive. The nhs may do many things wonderfully well. But things wonderfully well. But when it makes mistakes, it covers them up and it is not infallible in its diagnoses. And yet, in spite of all this evidence, the nhs has taken an unnamed patient to court over her and her familys attempt to resist Palliative Care and try nucleoside therapy in canada, which she needs to raise £1. 5 million in the patient known only as s t, owing to kenyan reporting restrictions suffers from a rare genetic disorder known as mitochondrial depletion syndrome. Her disorder now requires regular dialysis treatment, feeding through a gastronomie tube and a ventilator in order to breathe. The proposed move to Palliative Care by the nhs would see her die fairly quickly , which is why die fairly quickly, which is why she and her family want a chance. They want to go and try the canadian treatment as a last resort. But last month , a judge resort. But last month, a judge ruled that stes fate is now the decision of the court having been taken to court by the nhs. The family being taken to court to stop them having the treatment and it was reported yesterday the young ladys family is calling on the Health Secretary to give her a chance to save her life, but it should never have come to this. This young lady is suffering is immense. She is currently on course to be put on death row in a country that abolished the death penalty. The nhs is purely offering death, but who are these officials . Who are these bureaucrats as in the nhs to tell this young lady that she has no right to pursue her last resort to her own words, die trying to live. Whats more , the trying to live. Whats more, the court has imposed stringent reporting restrictions, maintained that the young ladys anonymity, which she does not want , its been forced upon her want, its been forced upon her and this is turning anonymity on its head. The point of anonymity is to protect the patient, not to cover up for the hospital. The preservation of life is a Foundation Principle of our society, but its being thwarted by the big state trampling on the rights of the individual. As always , i want to hear from you. Always, i want to hear from you. Dont forget to let me know your thoughts. You know the email by now. Mail margaret gbnews. Com im very pleased to be joined now by Andrea Williams of Christian Concern , which is Christian Concern, which is backing the family as well as the taylor. The barrister, philip taylor. Philip im going to come to you first, i may, to explain the first, if i may, to explain the law. Why have the judges granted law. Why have the judges granted anonymity, as far as one can tell, against the wishes of the family . Seemingly to protect the hospital . Hospital . Well, i think the reason is based upon this document, which is actually the court of protection practise 2023. The problem, as i see it, is, is a one for parliament and for people such as yourself, because the mess that we now have with the mess that we now have with the relevant legislation , the relevant legislation, action, which is the mental capacity act and the fact that in fact this court is actually a relatively new court with powers similar to the ones that we have in the family courts, where everything is secret and we try to protect, as youve indicated , covid the individuals , unless , covid the individuals, unless they wish to name themselves as, of course, the whole purpose is to try to protect people. The dangeris to try to protect people. The danger is that weve gone way beyond what we originally intended. And ive very much supported the Times Newspaper on its attempt to try and open up some of these courts, but to be fair to the court, the court is simply implementing the law. Parliament has given it to implement. Yes, that is the position at the moment. And therefore , you the moment. And therefore, you have a position where the judges, their specialist judges will make decisions. Their will make decisions. Their difficulty is very much based upon listening to experts and trying to work out which side of what is a very hard case to make a decision on. And i, having beenin a decision on. And i, having been in those courts, i know how difficult it is. So andrew, lets come to the nhs. Why why . As far as you can tell , are they trying to stop tell, are they trying to stop somebody having a chance . Because weve other cases because weve seen other cases where have tried to have where people have tried to have a chance. The nhs has said it wont and it has worked. Absolutely there are people alive today that , despite there are people alive today that, despite prognoses, have gone on live and to and to gone to on live and to and to live full, fulfilling lives. And live full, fulfilling lives. And i think one of the tragic situation is in this case and also in a number of other recent cases is that a decision has been taken where when there is actually an alternative being offered. So weve heard them in offered. So weve heard them in the baby cases. There was baby alfie evans, theres baby charlie gard where the parents actually have hope to remove the children from the hospital. In the case of alfie evans , there the case of alfie evans, there was actually an air ambulance waiting at the end of the corridor with the children, even though both of those cases concern greatly , its easier concern me greatly, its easier to understand why the courts get involved why the nhs tries involved and why the nhs tries to stop parents doing things. To stop parents doing things. But in this case, shes a 19 year old young lady. She, in the daily mail is it showed wants to have this treatment. Shes able have this treatment. Shes able to communicate, to express her own wills. Shes a very striking young, young, young woman, certainly. And the point is this. Shes this this horrible disease was diagnosed very late for her. She did have some muscle , muscle did have some muscle, muscle loss and some difficulty. But the truth is this, that she did her gcses and till this time last year, she was really well, she was in mainstream schooling. She caught covid. And as a result of that, she had to go on some dialysis. Dialysis has had the tracheostomy put in, but all the tracheostomy put in, but all the way through for one for one year since shes been in hospital, shes been told the prognosis is dire. You only have a few days to live. And shes been saying all the time, dont give me opioids as i want to be. Alert just paracetamol, please , alert just paracetamol, please, because i want to live , not die. Because i want to live, not die. And if i die , i want to die and if i die, i want to die trying to live. Trying to live. And the nhs is basically treating her like a mad person. Theyre saying its delusional. Its delusional, youre saying because they wont. Because not accept her because she will not accept her prognosis, because she will not accept what the doctors say. Lets bear in mind that one year ago were saying, youve ago they were saying, youve just 2 3 days to live. Just got 2 or 3 days to live. They say that because wont they say that because she wont accept she is deluded. So accept it, she is deluded. So theyve already been wrong. A year ago that she was told a year ago that she had or 3 days to live. She had 2 or 3 days to live. Shes outlived that by a year. Yes they still wont listen yes and they still wont listen to or allow her to have this to her or allow her to have this experimental in experimental treatment out in canada, she this the point canada, which she this the point is this. Theres the offers are coming in from around the world. There are some that are emerging even from there is she wants from europe. There is she wants she says, i want to try. She even today even to do that interview with the with the daily mail, she has been able to explain herself in her own words. She has communicated in her own words. This and philip, how high a threshold of the courts have to have before they deem that you havent got mental capacity to make a decision like this for yourself . Well, thats a very interesting point , because the interesting point, because the general approach would be, as we have with any burden of proof, it would be a balance of probabilities. In other it would be a balance of probabilities. In other words, probabilities. In other words, the 51 to the 49 in terms of the 51 to the 49 in terms of the balance ing. I think the difficulty with that shouldnt be on the balance of whether the treatment will work, but on the balance of whether this is a decision that a reasonable person could make , well, i think person could make, well, i think it should be done on that basis. And i think one of the difficulties we have is the Decision Making of the judiciary is one that is very secretive in these particular types of proceedings. I think they should proceedings. I think they should be opened up. I do believe that be opened up. I do believe that we have a clash here between the rights of the individual as against the state telling the individual what to do. And thats what worries me. Thats what worries me. And andrew, there is a hearing, isnt there . A further heanng hearing, isnt there . A further hearing on the anonymity question . Were very much hoping that that will open up. Its justice is the light. That will open up. Its justice is the light. Its that will open up. Its justice is the light. Its not is done in the light. Its not done. Its not done by mind. Closed doors. We dont yet have a date. You dont have a date for hearing . For the hearing . The sooner that well, the sooner that happens, the better because its so important that know whats happens, the better because its so im|ontant that know whats happens, the better because its so im|ontanourat know whats happens, the better because its so im|ontanourat kand whats happens, the better because its so im|ontanourat kand of ats going on in our courts. And of course, philip said, that we course, as philip said, that we allow to choose allow the individual to choose for anyway, thank for themselves. Anyway, thank you to andrew and philip. Dont forget know what you forget to let me know what you think. Mailmogg gbnews. Uk com. Coming the verge coming up, are we on the verge of war two . Do this of cold war two . Do this september, the gb news family is back together from breakfast right across the day breaking the latest stories and every evening. Evening. And dont forget the weekend weve got the whole of the uk covered every week. Well be heanng covered every week. Well be hearing your views from up and down the country with fun, lively and intelligent conversation with the biggest guests this september. Well meet chris and john. Thank you for choosing gb news. Were proud to be britains news . 7 youre 7 youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Alan says. Is the plight of that young girl offered Palliative Care rather than a treatment young girl offered Palliative Care would than a treatment young girl offered Palliative Care would prolong reatment young girl offered Palliative Care would prolong herment young girl offered Palliative Care would prolong hermenis that would prolong her life is a particularly reason particularly strong reason why we never entertain we should never entertain euthanasia by ryan says. A couple of years ago we were clapping for the nhs and now they want to stop someone from fighting for their life. How can anyone trust these people any more . And graham says, what more . And graham says, what a crazy system. We live under the courts wont let us die by our own hand if we want assisted death, nor can we try to prolong our lives by other means. Makes no sense. They are playing god no sense. They are playing god was in the winter of 1989 when the berlin wall collapsed, heralding the end of the 45 year cold war and the beginning of freedom and prosperity for at least some of the eastern bloc. Wasnt long before this moment was declared. Perhaps was declared. Perhaps hubristically the end of history. But such were the joys when the combination of margaret thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul ii defeated the evils of communism may not have been the end of history, but it improved the lot of millions of people since then, putting the problems with russia to one side. It seems the commentariat has taken its eye off the burgeoning power of china to, as youll be aware, over the weekend , it emerged that early weekend, it emerged that early this year a parliamentary researcher who worked closely in the upper echelons of power with the upper echelons of power with the Foreign Affairs select Committee Chairman Alicia Kearns and tory leader who is and former tory leader who is sanctioned by the Chinese Communists, duncan smith was communists, Ian Duncan Smith was arrested under the official secrets act for allegedly spying on behalf of china whilst the researcher denies the allegations and remains on bail until next month, serious questions are posed by this affair, such as why mps werent informed. Why werent the public told . Because this happened in march. Broadly, march. But perhaps more broadly, is this merely the latest chapter in the emergence of cold war two with china . Now im war two with china . Now im joined by mark almond, communism historian and director of the Crisis Research institute , Crisis Research institute, oxford. Thank you so much for joining me. How concerned should joining me. How concerned should we be be about this, about an apparent attempt by china to insert a spy into the houses of parliament . Of course, this is only alleged at the moment, or how much is this just what countries do to each other . We all spy on each other and everyone knows that. And we should just relax. Should just relax. Well, i think youre right to say that everybody on say that everybody spies on everybody but theres also everybody else. But theres also the what you the question of what are you spying and though if youre spying for . And though if youre trying influence ounce and trying to influence ounce and two, if you distort the two, if you like distort the politics country opposed politics of a country as opposed to what kind of new to find out what kind of new gizmos they have in their Defence Systems and so on, then its a more sinister process, not least democratic not least in a democratic country like ours. So agents of influence, as it were, are what were talking about, rather than the classic spy trying to steal the classic spy trying to steal the micro film that contains the secrets of a new weapon or whatever. And is this quite interesting way , an operation that is very way, an operation that is very chinese, that is to say, with its very long historic perspective , its willing to perspective, its willing to have people in positions in for an extended period to provide information and to help form policy in a way that, as far as im aware, the british dont do. We dont have long term sleepers as well. I think its certainly difficult for a western country like britain to penetrate the security of china. Security of china. One of the problems we have in dealing with china is just how secretive it is and how very little of how the Decision Making process actually works is really understood west. Really understood in the west. Whereas a lot of what goes on in our countries like britain, like america and so on, is in the pubuc america and so on, is in the Public Domain. What is alleged Public Domain. What is alleged here, though, is that somebody under the guise of being a severe of the chinese severe critic of the Chinese Communist dictatorship communist partys dictatorship was operating to find was actually operating to find out what the other critics , out what the other critics, people in parliament, as you say, Iain Duncan Smith and so on, what they are thinking, who theyre talking to, where they have influence. And this takes have influence. And this takes me back to the 1930. We me back away to the 1930. We often think kim as often think about kim philby as the classic communist from cambridge who became soviet cambridge who became a soviet spy, cambridge who became a soviet spy, but we forget that actually in the late 1930 he was seen as a fascist. He got a medal a pro fascist. He got a medal from franco his work in the from franco for his work in the spanish civil war. He was part of pro german anglo german of the pro german anglo german link, he manifested link, and so he manifested himself not a leftist, saying himself not as a leftist, saying be sympathetic joe, be sympathetic to uncle joe, but as saying really as somebody saying we really ought up to hitler. And ought to cosy up to hitler. And why that . Because, why was he doing that . Because, of hes trying to worm of course, hes trying to worm his way into to the british elite and if you like, 70 years later, 80 years later, we find this new process taking place, people pretending perhaps sometimes be aggressively sometimes to be aggressively anti communist, anti chinese, but actually maybe passing on information to beijing. Okay. Information to beijing. Okay. But the 1930 spies got into the secret services and knew the names of agents and passed those on. If you want to find out the views of Iain Duncan Smith or Alicia Kearns, you can just tune in to gb news. And you learn them anyway. So arent the chinese slightly over complicating their spying networks . Well, they are. I suspect what theyre interested in here is not so much the public views of british politicians, which, as you say, we many examples of. We can find many examples of. But who are they to . Talking who but who are they to . Talking who is giving them information , is giving them information, particularly obviously the chinese well be interested chinese might well be interested in citizens of china are in which citizens of china are perhaps communicating perhaps privately communicating criticism of the government , criticism of the government, information about the treatment of, say, uyghurs in xinjiang and so on. So its not so much the high profile person themselves as the people with low profiles and the people who want to keep and the people who want to keep a discreet distance, who they know. All right. Well thank you very much, mark. Ive still got my panel with me, dr. David starkey and nigel nelson. Nigel, should we reappraise our relationship with china altogether . Does this indicate that it altogether . Does this indicate thatitis altogether . Does this indicate that it is actually fundamentally a hostile state to what mark was saying . Last what mark was saying . Last point, its quite sinister. If theyre trying to find out who our sources of information are and theyre in china, they could find serious ramifications in their lives if the Chinese Government has got even relatively unimportant information. Yes. And i think that marks point is very good. Weve got to point is very good. Weve got to actually understand what chinese spying means, which is not one going around with minox cameras taking pictures of top secret documents. So, yes, we have to documents. So, yes, we have to re evaluate our relationship with china. Yeah, no, we dont with china. Yeah, no, we dont have to treat them as an enemy. But equally , theyre clearly not but equally, theyre clearly not a friend. But we ought to start deaung a friend. But we ought to start dealing with what china is doing to us. So, for instance , china, to us. So, for instance, china, chinas kind of spying is hoovering up a load of open source information. They get source information. They get people into universities. Is people into universities. Is that according to the to the report by by parliaments intelligence and Security Committee still awaiting a government response. By the way , ten months on, theyre into every part of the british economy. Thats a different kind economy. Thats a different kind of spying. Thats actually of spying. Thats actually trying to hoover up every thing that that they can throw it over to the analysts to find out exactly what were up to and what our policies might be towards china in the future. And david, in your world, in the university world, theyve thrown lot at some university. And im afraid the university of particularly of cambridge and particularly Jesus College and indeed a near contemporary of mine , near contemporary of mine, professor peter nolan at the absolute heart of this process. And its quite deliberate. And what nigel is saying, this is an attempt really, again, we need to understand what the essential basis of chinas great leap forward has been. It has been the brilliant ability to imitate it, to take our technology at its advanced level and then nudge it slightly forward to improve industrial technique to , as it were, build technique to, as it were, build on what weve done. The famous remark why is china doing so well . Well its standing on the shoulders of a giant in the west. But i think equally we do need and here i would slightly disagree with nigel. I do think we need a fundamental rethink. China has expressed perfectly clearly what it intends to do. It intends to be the dominant world power. It has broken out of the old notion of china, which was restricted within its own frontiers. The idea of the middle kingdom. It is now ambitious for world power, but hence the belt and road initiative, hence the attempt to turning Africa States and polynesian states into client economies. Polynesian states into client economies. But i also think, and i was very interested that you began with fukuyama and, and, and the whole absurd notion of the end of history. What we in the end of history. What we in the west have forgotten why our response to the ukraine has been so completely incompetent is that the very instruments that the west created, the united nafions the west created, the United Nations and the universe, declarations on human rights. Declarations on human rights. Lavrov the brilliantly intelligent , multilingual, intelligent, multilingual, foreign minister of russia, he has them. The soviets have them. And now, of course , again, none and now, of course, again, none of us seem to understand this. Do you remember . Oh, oh, of course. China doesnt really want russia to be invading. Oh, of course they will distance themselves from the shocking putin close , closer and closer putin close, closer and closer and sorry, jacob finally did you nofice and sorry, jacob finally did you notice what happened in india . Notice what happened in india . Did you notice that g20 , every did you notice that g20, every body apart from the west cosied up to putin and z. We were isolated because of our folly and our self belief. And what should we be doing about this . During the cold war, we expelled Russian Diplomats when there were russian spying incidents. Should we be expelling some chinese diplomats just to inconvenience their system . Should we be saying to universal cities, Jesus College, you cant take make money of this kind with Strings Attached . No, i think that that if you start, you only expel foreign intelligence agents when you actually catch them doing something. So it was quite right that theresa may expelled so Many Russians the embassy Many Russians from the embassy after salisbury. Was well, after salisbury. That was well, that was an act of war. It wasnt just a warlike act, but we didnt actually catch them. It was it was simply an act of counter vengeance. And we simply demonstrated our own strength. Shouldnt we be doing that with russia . I mean, it seems same china. Seems the same with china. I mean, sorry. So nigel, china understands one language, which is the language of power. We have shown ourselves astonishing , reluctant. Chairman mao said power comes from the barrel of the gun and who thought i would end a section quoting chairman mao . Thank you to my panel. Coming up, river of civil up, has the river of Civil Service remainer tears reached the waterfall . Plus could net zero be the defining question of the next general election . The next general election . Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Very good evening to you. Band of rain is going to continue to push southwards through the next 24 hours with some showers both to the north and south of this. Whilst in the and south of this. Whilst in the south east, were holding on to that humid air because here we are still ahead of these fronts which something a little which have something a little bit cooler, a bit more comfortable following in behind. Also the fronts. Be also in the fronts. Therell be a fair bit of rain. So a cloudy, wet end to the day across many northern parts into northern parts of england into wales and south west england, too, south east, too, in the south east, were holding humid holding on to those humid conditions and could see conditions and we could see a few showers developing. Also few showers developing. Also some in the far of some showers in the far north of scotland northern ireland. Scotland and northern ireland. Cooler here whilst in the south east that high south east with that high humidity, temperatures not dropping as we dropping a huge amount as we look through tuesday, a damp, wet start across many parts of england wales, though in england and wales, though in the south east of south east a good deal of brightness. The high brightness. But with the high humidity, expecting a few humidity, we am expecting a few showers kick here and showers to kick off here and they could be heavy, perhaps even thundery, whilst a brighter picture bulk of picture across the bulk of scotland and northern ireland, a scattering of showers and a little of cloud times little bit of cloud at times too. A bit cooler than it has been through some recent days, getting of around 24, getting to highs of around 24, perhaps celsius perhaps 25 celsius in the south east wednesday morning may get bit of chilly get off to a bit of a chilly start. Couldnt out a touch start. Couldnt rule out a touch of some parts of of frost across some parts of scotland, but otherwise a generally fine day for most until some and windy weather until some wet and windy weather pushesin until some wet and windy weather pushes in from the northwest as we go into the afternoon , that we go into the afternoon, that rain is then going to sweep further southwards later in the week and temperatures are going to much to average for to be much closer to average for the time of year than they were last week. Last week. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Life. How can we trust labour . Life. How can we trust labour . Youre listening to. Gb news. Youre listening to. Gb news. Well come back. I remain Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Jill says if with your thoughts. Jill says if parliament is infiltrate without knowledge, really are wide knowledge, we really are wide open to any threat. And jane open to any threat. And jane says this young brave lady should be allowed to raise the money and decide for herself what she wants to do. My family would support her with a small donation, as im sure many others is so brave. Others would. She is so brave. She deserves all the help and encouragement the encouragement possible by the world support her wishes. World to support her wishes. Well, thank you for that, jane. Well, thank you for that, jane. Its secret on this programme its no secret on this programme that we have highlighted the repeated instances of the breaching the Civil Services breaching of the Civil Services obugafions breaching of the Civil Services obligations to political impartiality. When i was impartiality. Indeed, when i was minister for government efficiency, i made a particular point of trying to crack down on diversity such check diversity courses such as check your and micro your privilege and micro aggressions. But in affirmation of what we already knew to be true. Former top mandarin lord true. Former top mandarin lord macdonald has confessed that he told his team of Civil Servants that he was a remainer as he found them gyrating in misery after the brexit referendum. Him after the brexit referendum. Him now, ive said before that i have no intention of stigmatising the whole Civil Service. Worked many service. I worked with many exceptional officials during my time in government, this is time in government, but this is an admission of a serious breach of the Civil Service code. One that goes right to the heart of our constitution. Question of Civil Service, impartiality. All always seems to find itself on a Cross Section with efficiency , Cross Section with efficiency, which is why i commissioned a review of the Civil Service which began in july last year. We asked the Cabinet Office today when it might be published and it will be, but they havent yet given us a given us a date. So we wait with bated breath. Still is brilliant still with me is my Brilliant Panel still with me is my Brilliant Panel, doctor David Starkey and nigel. David there are nigel nelson. David there are some people who, when we bang on about the Civil Service being full of lefties, have thought that have sort of that we just have sort of persecution mania and that is nonsense. You wouldnt be persecution mania . Absolutely. Mania . Andlutely. Just one prickly exteriors. Yes. Yes. Just wonderful, high minded individuals now know individuals. And now we know with sue Gray Mcdonald that with sue gray and mcdonald that actually what weve thought is true is that it is not impartial. Its not following the northcote trevelyan principles. Really, senior people have been undermining that whole principle of doing whatever the government of the day wants. Indeed. But i mean, why why not extend the list . I mean, not extend the list . I mean, look at sir gus mcdonnell. Look at sir gus mcdonnell. Odonnell what does he say . He says what seems to me to be something even more betraying that his responsibility isnt merely to britain , its to the merely to britain, its to the world that that ludicrous grace universalist mentality wouldnt have lasted long as a Civil Servant to elizabeth the first, would he . Can you imagine . Can would he . Can you imagine . Can you imagine how walsingham would have dealt with him . I think the pain would have been rather intense, but theres Something Else you mentioned there. You put there, as it were , as put there, as it were, as a pinnacle of achievement and responsibility. 80 the northcote responsibility. 80 the northcote trevelyan reforms. Can i gently trevelyan reforms. Can i gently remind you, jacob, as the as the errant member for the 19th century, whom the arguably the greatest of 19th century Prime Ministers disraeli, he thought northcote trevelyan was a qatar atrophy. He thought that a permanent Civil Service thats deliberately modelled on the chinese. Why do we call them mandarins . Because its modelled on the chinese mandarinate would inevitably lead to the same fossilisation in britain as it had led to in china because of the prevalence of received opinion. And it is perfectly clear. In opinion. And it is perfectly clear. In other words, i dont think we should be particularly talking about the leftism, though its important. The fossilised received opinion is the fossilised received opinion and that seems to me to be the thing thats utterly and im afraid its completely compat able with the Civil Service code. And of course is being entrenched by things like nolan. This notion that the expert knows better than mere politicians or the mere people. Nigel isnt this really important that actually over the last 30 years there has been an effort to hand things over to experts, which gives more power to servants who now turn to Civil Servants who now turn out not to be impartial. To Civil Servants who now turn outwell, be impartial. To Civil Servants who now turn outwell, be impirtial. To Civil Servants who now turn outwell, be impi think that well, i mean, i think that that when it comes to their professional dealings, certainly in the plus years, ive been in the 30 plus years, ive been deaung in the 30 plus years, ive been dealing with the Civil Service, i them incredibly i found them incredibly impartial. Sometimes irritatingly so in this particular case of Simon Mcdonald, yes, he did break the Civil Service code. Theres no question about that. By doing what he did in the context of what he did in the context of what he did in the context of what he did. I cant get too excited about it on the basis that it it wasnt as if he was trying to influence the vote because he didnt announce how hed voted until after it had taken he was trying taken place. He was trying to comfort staff who were upset about what was going on and everyone knew he was probably a remainer anyway. But. But nigel, the problem it, he the problem isnt it, that he had to comfort staff because they were so by democratic they were so upset by democratic votes an apolitical votes and also an apolitical Civil Service i the brexit Civil Service i think the brexit was actually something so out of the ordinary, extraordinary. The ordinary, so extraordinary. We can understand that we you can understand that behaviour would be somewhat extraordinary these were extraordinary too. These were people at the Foreign Office who were tire Foreign Policy on the front line of brexit. But these were people whose entire lives had been built as a as a devastation , devotion to as a devastation, devotion to europe. Europe. And can i can i would argue, a devotion to britain . No they would argue. And the point that that they they would have made is was britains best interests are in europe and the and the british people. Absolutely right. Absolutely right. But but that is actually they are theyre actually arguing on behalf of british interests and the unfortunate the fact that unfortunate unfortunately unfortunately the british democracy just decided the opposite, which is fine. The opposite, which is fine. Well, no, it wasnt fine because is perfectly clear because it is perfectly clear that Civil Service that the Civil Service cooperating with a very in fact, the majority of that particular house of commons did its very best frustrate a democratic best to frustrate a democratic vote in the name of exactly what youve cited. Youve cited. No, no, please, nigel, just one second. Civil service in in. No, in the name of a higher percentage of the national interest, the trouble is the sort of Civil Service that thwarted brexit after they tried. Im saying they undoubtedly sought to reverse the Civil Service were doing with things like trying to stop ministers, behave stupidly, which is also part of their job. So for instance , when rishi so for instance, when rishi sunak wanted to tear up all eu laws by the end of last year, 3500 of them, that was never the intention. You are leaving a very sorry nigel. You are leaping over an enormous chasm of events. You should be talking about the premiership of theresa may and the speakership of john bercow, in which they were clear , fully in which they were clear, fully operating with the highest echelons of the Civil Service, deliberate to frustrate the whole olly robbins negotiation. And you were there and you knew it. Yes, right. Yes, right. Youll know better about whether or not this is true. Its tried to. Of course its true. You mentioned about the retained eu law. Was the Civil Service working slowly so that we didnt repeal retain was a great retain law, which was a great loss, whole thing is if loss, but the whole thing is if you done that, the original you had done that, the original idea of that had been that we would import eu law into would import all eu law into british which that easy. And then gradually get rid of the ones that we no longer needed. Good idea. And that would proper would then go through proper parliamentary scrutiny along the way make sure you werent way to make sure you werent making so for making mistakes. So for instance, had you gone ahead with what you had originally planned to do, seatbelt law as an example , all that seatbelt an example, all that seatbelt law wouldnt have gone because its in primary legislation . No this the whole point. Primary this is the whole point. Primary legislation, some of it is in british law, some of it is in eu law. There was an ability to maintain any that you maintain any law that you needed, but only. Nigel. Nigel, just one second. Scrutinise, were second. If you scrutinise, were getting it. Nigel wasnt going to scrutiny. To get the scrutiny. Nigel were getting lost in detail. Fundamental point is detail. The fundamental point is that are two that the civil there are two different of what the different views of what the pubuc different views of what the Public Interest is. Theres the pubuc Public Interest is. Theres the Public Interest is. Theres the Public Interest is. Theres the Public Interest is determined by a democratic vote and theres the Public Interest as its perceived by a superior mandarin it that thinks that it knows better than everybody else. Thats a great point to end on. You to my panel. On. Thank you to my panel. Coming are tories about coming up, are the tories about to an an open goal well come back. I continue, at least for the moment, to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg, james bond comes later, but its rare in politics that opportunities are presented like a suckling pig on a silver platter with an apple in its mouth so readily and easily available for the waiting politicians to enjoy, even politicians to enjoy, its even rarer , however, when politicians rarer, however, when politicians willingly their backs on willingly turn their backs on such an opportunity and ignore the chance to improve their political fortunes. Yet this increasingly appears to be the case as the government shies away from delaying net zero commitments order to commitments in order to alleviate the financial burden upon electorate, its upon the electorate, its important keep the climate important to keep the climate change. Of course is. And change. Of course it is. And this within reason this must be done within reason and an appropriate tempo. Philip and an appropriate tempo. Philip now lord hammond, the former chancellor, not someone i invariably agree with, calculated that reaching net zero would cost the country £1 trillion to foist this vast cost upon the people with those predominantly affected being on the lowest incomes would be an unduly harsh thing to do. Its most perplexing , and even mystic most perplexing, and even mystic mog struggles to uncover the reason as to why there is so much ardour to steam ahead with these regulations against the cost and the pain into hinckley recent research from people polling has revealed the depths of unpopularity of the net zero regulation options. Only 16 of regulation options. Only 16 of people support the pursuit of net zero. If it means increasing the cost of living. While 54 of people would rather the government focus on the cost of living rather regardless of whether it comes at the expense of net zero, the Political Capital to be gained from putting the brakes on net zero is clearer than ever , not least is clearer than ever, not least after the uxbridge by election was won because of a rejection of ulez. While the conservatives appear to trail labour in the polls, surely there is no better time to free ourselves from the environmental orthodoxy and take this most apparent of opportunities. Well, im joined opportunities. Well, im joined now by professor of politics at Kent University and the founder of people polling, goodwin. Of people polling, matt goodwin. Matt thank you very much for joining me. Youve done this polling. Where do people stand polling. Where do people stand on the concept of net zero when its just offered to them with no context . Well, if you give people just a straightforward question , do a straightforward question, do you support the push for net zero, then youll often find that a large majority of voters will say , yes, absolutely. Will say, yes, absolutely. If you ask them, do you and if you ask them, do you support the fight against climate change, more often than not, voters say, yes, not, voters will say, yes, absolutely. But the key point absolutely. But the key point here is when you then actually explain to voters is what these policies mean for them personally in terms of the financial costs they become much less supportive of these policies and how sensitive are they to cost and has there been any any change in this . Has the cost of living crisis made people more concerned about costs than they may have been a couple of years ago . I think partly were seeing the effects of the cost of living crisis. I think also in my view, voters are beginning to tune net zero means tune in to what net zero means for them. I think the ulez issue in london and Greater London has been important for that been very important for that reason. Fact that voters are reason. The fact that voters are now beginning to think about, well, minute, this is well, hang on a minute, this is actually imposing some very some very real financial penalties on on motorists. And so as voters begin to look at the detail of the policy, what were finding is more voters oppose some of these policies than support. And thats especially true among conservatives. So how does this divide up in terms of the ulez support and opposition amongst different categories of voters . Youve got a very helpful chart, i think. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. So if you look at all voters in the country, only 32 say they support ulez. About 42 say they support ulez. About 42 say they support ulez. About 42 say they oppose. The rest are undecided. And if you then ask undecided. And if you then ask voters, well, would you like a ulez your area , they ulez in your local area, they become more strongly become much more strongly opposed. So typically about two thirds of voters will say, i dont really want to have a ulez in my local area. If you then drill down into the voters that are going to be key for rishi sunak those 2019 conservatives, the voted boris the people who voted for Boris Johnson, who voted for this big challenge to the status quo were their absolute fully convinced that they they dont support ulez. They dont want a ulez in their area and they they their local area and they they really want the government to zoom in on prioritising the cost of living crisis, even if that undermines some of these net zero goals. So what im pointing to here, jacob, is widespread opposition to these policies, particularly from people who used to vote conservative. Is it still sensible for labour and the lib dems to appeal to the net zero proponents, or does it also apply to their voters . Is this a more general trend . I think its a its a difficult one for people like keir starmer because on the one hand, labour voters and lib hand, yes, labour voters and lib dem voters a bit more dem voters are a bit more supportive of these policies. But the other hand, we can but on the other hand, we can see the data that it see clearly in the data that it really economically really is the economically marginalised class marginalised working class voters. Its electricians , voters. Its the electricians, the mechanics, the white van drivers who are the most strongly opposed to these policies because theyre likely to financial costs of to incur the financial costs of those policies. So and i think also just lastly, a lot of voters are looking at the net zero agenda, in my view, at least , and zero agenda, in my view, at least, and are seeing something that they often feel is being imposed from on them, from above at the expense of the views of ordinary people. Because one group youve got who support ulez are the new elite, who are the new elite . Are these the people who are imposing it from above . Well, would argue that well, i would argue that middle class people, nationals, graduates living in the city very affluent, economically secure, are usually enjoying positions of influence and power, probably have a new car already and probably have a new car already. Probably will not be hit by the costs relating to ulez will not be will not be suffering the costs of net zero personally a very well insulated lid against some of those and its really that group that that are the most supportive of this agenda. And its not just on ulez jake. Its also if you look at you at issues like migration, if you look at issues like migration, if you loyou at around if you look at issues around marriage and family, the newly often marriage and family, the newly oftthese issues theyre of these issues because theyre the least likely to experience the policies. Extends beyond ulez and it extends beyond ulez ulez has been on profile ulez has been on the profile point, but that people expressing views on ulez have similar ones about boilers, about getting rid of petrol engines in cars and so on. Well, i am looking at this polling and im thinking where are we going to be 5 to 10 years down the line . Because ulez is, in my mind, is the beginning of this debate. The fact that voters are tuning into this and are beginning to really interested this really get interested in this issue, happens when we go issue, what happens when we go to 15 minute cities . What happens when we to heat pumps happens when we go to heat pumps in etcetera, etcetera . In homes, etcetera, etcetera . This of this is the beginning of a bigger rebellion i think. This is the beginning of a bigwell,bellion i think. This is the beginning of a big well, thank| i think. This is the beginning of a big well, thank you think. This is the beginning of a big well, thank you very. This is the beginning of a big well, thank you very much, well, thank you very much, matt. Finally, just before i came on air last thursday, i was shaken but not stirred by a report that charles higson, the fleming estate, commissioned author adult james author for a new adult james bond , warned that the bond novel, warned that the character be jacob character should not be Jacob Rees Mogg with a gun. Id never previously myself in this previously seen myself in this role and was flattered by the suggestion, though notice that suggestion, though i notice that roger and i share the roger moore and i share the initials and was a superb initials and he was a superb james he made the films in james bond. He made the films in his era when they were funny and engagingly ridiculous without the brutishness of some later versions. James bond ought to be as roger moore was cool, calm , as roger moore was cool, calm, collected and comfortable in his own skin , not angst ridden own skin, not some angst ridden wokey leftie who drinks fermented lightly effervescent sweetened tea drinks. Id sweetened black tea drinks. Id much rather have a martini or know the quality of vintages of champagne and claret. Thats what made bond fun. So weve commissioned a poll, not one that matt would approve of , to that matt would approve of, to the wild west of twitter asking who would make the best next james bond . And the results are in elba scored 15. 2. Tom in idris elba scored 15. 2. Tom hardy scored 31. 9. I scored 43. 8. So clearly money penny was instrumental in getting the results in and it wasnt done by spectre. Spectre does not tolerate failure. Now, talking of not tolerating failure, weve got a Great Success coming up with mr daniel wooden next. Whats up then . Oh, you got my vote. Absolutely jacob. But look, weve got a big show ahead. Obviously lots of revelations over the weekend about the blob taking over something. You are obviously acutely conscious of. So to the former chancellor, kwasi kwarteng, whos going to be live in the studio to give an insight actually into what was going on with the Civil Service dunng going on with the Civil Service during the truss administration. Plus, paul burrell and lady colin campbell. Well, i imagine youre as old as i am that lord macdonald broke Civil Service code by saying that he was a remainer and the whole of the Foreign Office was remainer. Yeah well, thats all coming up after the weather. Ill be back at 8 00 tomorrow evening. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This has been state of the nation and actually at the weekend we had a little precipitation in somerset. A move away from the temperatures in over the 80s. But fortunately , the chew stoke harvest home event was to tremendous success with fine weather. Thats all for me. Good night. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news hello very good evening to you. A band of rain is going to continue to push southwards through the next 24 hours with some showers both to the north and south of this whilst in the southeast, were holding to on that humid air because here we are still ahead of these fronts , have a little , which have something a little bit cooler a more bit cooler, a bit more comfortable following in behind. Also on the fronts, therell be a fair bit of rain. So a cloudy, wet end to the day across many northern parts of england into wales england too, wales and southwest england too, in holding wales and southwest england too, in those holding wales and southwest england too, in those humid holding wales and southwest england too, in those humid conditionsing wales and southwest england too, in those humid conditions and onto those humid conditions and we could see a few showers developing. Also some showers in developing. 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We am expecting a few showers off here and showers to kick off here and they heavy, perhaps showers to kick off here and they thundery,]eavy, perhaps showers to kick off here and they thundery, whilst3erhaps showers to kick off here and they thundery, whilst 3e brighter even thundery, whilst a brighter picture across the bulk of scotland and northern ireland, a scattering and scattering of showers and a little of cloud times little bit of cloud at times too. Cooler than it has too. A bit cooler than it has been through some recent days. Getting to of around 24, getting to highs of around 24, perhaps 25 celsius in the south east wednesday morning may get off to a bit of a chilly start. Couldnt rule out a touch of frost across some parts of scotland, but otherwise a generally fine day for most until and windy until then, some wet and windy weather from weather pushes in from the northwest we into the northwest as we go into the afternoon. That rain is then going to sweep further southwards later in the week and temperatures are to be temperatures are going to be much average for the much closer to average for the time of year than they were last week. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. No spin, no bias, no censorship. Im dan wootton. Censorship. Im dan wootton. Tonight, the Civil Service have always hated brexit and its just been confirmed by the eu loving former Foreign Office chief Simon Mcdonald in feeling in the Foreign Office building was of morning. Was of morning. People were in tears as people were in shock. And as the people were in shock. And as the bons people were in shock. And as the Boris Johnson witch hunter in chief sue gray tells her, new labour party cronies. You had my back, ill always have yours. You had my back, ill always have yours. Has the you had my back, ill always have yours. Has the woke you had my back, ill always have yours. Has the woke blob taking control of britain in an anti democratic coup . Thats the topic of my digest, next. Then my Superstar Panel weigh in. And tonight im joined by carole malone. Benji butterworth and beunda malone. Benji butterworth and belinda de lucy. Plus, as liz truss also hits out at the left wing orthodoxy that destroyed her premiership, her former chancellor kwasi