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N lovely ray edison. Thanks, dawn. 12 01. Heres the latest and our top story this hour. The Prime Minister rishi sunak, has offered his condolences to the families of those killed in India Following a train crash where at least 261 people died and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister narendra ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit the site in odisha state, where Phillip Schofield says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed that hed had an affair with a much younger colleague whilst presenting this morning in a new interview with the Sun Newspaper, he admitted hes afraid to leave his house after resigning from itv and being dropped by his talent agency. Schofield says hes getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and friends. Nana 19 people have been arrested over plans to disrupt the epsom derby. Surrey police has announced that 11 were arrested in mitcham and by fleet in the early hours of this morning. Early hours of this morning. Another eight were stopped at a vehicle in berg heath. All were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance and they remain in Police Custody. It comes after Police Custody. It comes after animal rising activists threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event to protect the animals as well. Protect the animals as well. Passengers have been experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union went on strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. Aslef which represents 96 of train drivers , warn its unlikely that any services will be running. The disruption is affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Wembley and the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats the biggest drop for over two decades. The rac says the average price of diesel went from 158. 9 p to 140 £0. 07 in may. Its the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen , pump prices have fallen, reducing the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month. A uk Ticket Holder last month. A uk Ticket Holder won more than £110 million in last nights euromillions jackpot. The unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane. Actor Daniel Radcliffe and singer dua lipa, as according to the sunday times rich list players are being urged to check if they could be the lucky winner. Customers ordering winner. Customers ordering groceries on delivery apps such as deliveroo or uber eats are paying as deliveroo or uber eats are paying twice the price, compared to buying them in store. Thats to buying them in store. Thats according to consumer group, which which found that customers pay which which found that customers pay an average of 8 more for morrisons groceries via amazon due to convenience and in one case unsalted butter cost 45. More on amazon than in supermarkets and asdas own brand wine was £2 more expensive onune. Brand wine was £2 more expensive online. That comes amid a year online. That comes amid a year of record increases in food inflation. Scotland first minister says there has never been a more important time for the country to become independent. Ant humza yousaf claims that westminster is failing to support people in scotland during the cost of living crisis. He says snps would build an economy that puts working families first. First minister is also accusing labour of sitting on their hands while tories undermine the Scottish Government. At president government. At president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that ukraine is ready to launch its counter offensive against russia. To well, speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes that ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory , but russian occupied territory, but does not know how long that could take. Kyiv previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the fight back could begin. In russia currently could begin. In russia currently holds swathes of ukrainian territory in the east, south and southeast of the country. And southeast of the country. And saint fagans fagans National Museum of history has been named the uks best free day out by consumer group, which. The open air attraction in cardiff, which features 40 reconstructed buildings and scenes throughout history , achieved a customer history, achieved a Customer Score of 94, meaning while the National Railway museum in york and the raf museum in cosford tied for second place with a score of 91, which says the cost of living crisis means that finding cheap or free days out has never been more important to families. As this is gb news, families. As this is gb news, well bring you more as it happens. Now lets get back to gb news saturday with dawn. Gb news saturday with dawn. Thank you, ray, and good. Thank you, ray, and good ancmoon afternoon. Welcome back. Right nonacany afternoon. Welcome back. Right nonacany. Afternoon. Welcome back. Right nowreally , really afternoon. Welcome back. Right now really , really packed now its a really, really packed mow, now its a really, really packed monononn now its a really, really packed smonloonc 90 now its a really, really packed show, dont go anywhere. Show, so dont go anywhere. Noam show, so dont go anywhere. Loads of show, so dont go anywhere. Noaoc onco show, so dont go anywhere. Loads ofto get show, so dont go anywhere. Loads of to get through as loads of sport to get through as you. Loads of sport to get through as. Non ano well. So much to talk about. And well. So much to talk about. And no pomp well. So much to talk about. And no going to well. So much to talk about. And we are going to stuck get stuck moo we are going to stuck get stuck mootopics we are going to stuck get stuck into topics straight into todays topics straight away. Into todays topics straight away. Now into todays topics straight away. Now amazing story broken today. Away. Now amazing story broken today. No away. Now amazing story broken today. No peon away. Now amazing story broken today. Its been revealed that a poycmmcm today. Its been revealed that a government unit today. Its been revealed that a government unit used social media government unit used social mama to government unit used social media to prevent the public from mavmp media to prevent the public from having discussions media to prevent the public from having discussions about nocnoonn having discussions about lockdown lockdown policies during lockdown lockdown policies during mo lockdown lockdown policies during the pandemic. The counter disinformation during the pandemic. The counter disinformation unit during the pandemic. The counter disinformation unit was onmnany disinformation unit was originally established to tackle oomchc originally established to tackle domestic threats, originally established to tackle domestic threats, understandably so, domestic threats, understandably pac domestic threats, understandably pm during domestic threats, understandably so, but during the domestic threats, understandably so, but during the lockdown, it targeted so, but during the lockdown, it canchca pcoch so, but during the lockdown, it targeted people who were cnncan targeted people who were critical of targeted people who were critical of the targeted people who were critical of the lockdown and mocc critical of the lockdown and mocc amo critical of the lockdown and those who questioned the mass vaccination those who questioned the mass vaccination of those who questioned the mass vaccination of children. Now, ann vaccination of children. Now, cnn n vaccination of children. 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They got the information under a freedom of information request. Again, if it had been really secret, theyd have never actually got anywhere near it. So thats the first thing that this was actually , we knew this this was actually, we knew this thing was there for and the reason for its existence is because every major event turns up a conspira theory. So it doesnt matter. Kennedy assassination. Princess dianas death. 911 even that the moon landings were fake. So covid inevitably also came up with a load of conspiracy theories as well. The problem with that, of course, is they spread much more quickly through social media, and this unit is there to try and this unit is there to try and work with the social Media Company is to say, look, if this is this information is wrong and its misleading the public, would you consider taking it down . I mean, they cant force them to take it down, but they work alongside it, get special priority treatment because theyre a government agent. Rac theyre a government agent. Rac and if you think back to when vaccinations were happening , if vaccinations were happening, if people had been so scared , they people had been so scared, they hadnt people had been so scared, they hadnt been vaccinated , what hadnt been vaccinated, what would have happened to covid after that . Well, dont you after that . Well, dont you minn after that . Well, dont you cnmn n after that . Well, dont you think i mean, after that . Well, dont you think i mean, some m7 well, dont you think i mean, some of this i mean, some of the people that nncnany mean, some of the people that nncnany nao mean, some of the people that literally had posts removed, i mean,kingsley, literally had posts removed, i. 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So for the government to pay an ai company £1. 2 million of taxpayers pay an ai company £1. 2 million of taxpayers money, by the way , of taxpayers money, by the way, to remove social of taxpayers money, by the way, to remove social media posts amoro to remove social media posts oncnc pcoch to remove social media posts where people were just having opinions where people were just having opinions about where people were just having opinions about being scared, abom opinions about being scared, apom pang opinions about being scared, about being worried, surely that macc about being worried, surely that macc noc about being worried, surely that thats not right . About being worried, surely that thats not right . No. Thats not right . No. I mean, mo thats not right . No. I mean, me question thats not right . No. I mean, the question obviously is the degree. I mean, what Nadhim Zahawi zahawi says, who was then the vaccines minister at the time, is that some of these posts were taken down by mistake. I mean, it wasnt something that should done when that they should have done when they cocked it up. So they basically cocked it up. So there was nothing actually sinister about that. Think sinister about that. And i think that the stuff that they were mostly concentrate on was what it was genuine misinformation or false information that was coming out. And what it comes down to the freedom of speech argument. Bear in mind that dunng argument. Bear in mind that during this during this time we had a of freedoms taken away had a lot of freedoms taken away anyway. All under anyway. We were all under lockdown. In that lockdown. And in a sense that the kind of things that were being imposed are almost of emergency measures you would expect in wartime. Um, so what i expect in wartime. Um, so what i think that the principal aim of this was, was , was to try to this was, was, was to try to make sure that people werent frightened of getting vaccinated. And i know that is still controversial, but arguably at the time, if we hadnt arguably at the time, if we hadnt had a Mass Vaccination Programme , um, we never would programme, um, we never would have actually conquered covid. Absolutely. But people were anonco absolutely. But people were anonco co absolutely. 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And the thing just to do, but it did go too far. I and the thing just very, and the other thing just very, very and the other thing just very, verymo and the other thing just very, verymo noc and the other thing just very,| verythe bbctook very quickly, the bbc all took aco very quickly, the bbc all took anco cccncc also took part in secret mchngc also took part in secret meetings with the government to aanccc meetings with the government to addresscalled address. So called disinformation. address. So called disinformation. Yeah, they address. So called disinformation. Yeah, they say they there observe they were there to observe the bbc fund. Yes. I they were there to observe the bbc fund. Yes. I mean, bbc who we fund. Yes. I mean, what theyre saying there is that they didnt take part, but they were observers. There im never quite sure what the difference is between those two things. No no, quite indeed. Right. And more to come. Youre ccaymg right. And more to come. Youre ccaymg omn right. And more to come. Youre ccaymg nnn mo right. And more to come. Youre staying with me for right. And more to come. Youre staying with me for the whole cnon. Staying with me for the whole cnon. Nonno staying with me for the whole show. Youre popping back for anoma show. Youre popping back for anothertimes. Show. Youre popping back for anothertimes. I. Show. Youre popping back for another times. I am another couple of times. I am mocco. Indeed. Indeed. Absolutely. Macc indeed. Indeed. Absolutely. Macc nich indeed. Indeed. Absolutely. Thats nigel nelson, gb news, senior political thats nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator. Senior political commentator. Ngm senior political commentator. Ngm non senior political commentator. Ngm no senior political commentator. Right now we move on. We have to move on to phillip right now we move on. We have to move on to Phillip Schofield. Nm move on to Phillip Schofield. Nm cony. Move on to Phillip Schofield. Nm cony. Nc move on to Phillip Schofield. Im sorry. Its the move on to Phillip Schofield. Im sorry. Its the front of every im sorry. Its the front of every newspaper. Again it was on onc every newspaper. Again it was on oncmgm every newspaper. Again it was on bbcnightphillip bbc last night with phillip scnoncno bbc last night with Phillip Schofield interview. Schofield given an interview. He cayc schofield given an interview. He cayc noc schofield given an interview. He cayc ncc noct schofield given an interview. He says hes lost everything after ncchanonc says hes lost everything after revelations of says hes lost everything after revelations of his says hes lost everything after revelations of his affair with a younger revelations of his affair with a younger matc revelations of his affair with a younger male colleague. But mciccc younger male colleague. But insistsdidnt younger male colleague. But insists didnt groom him. In insists he didnt groom him. 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In his first interview since ncavmg his first interview since leaving itv his first interview since leaving itv , his first interview since leaving itv , schofield told the leaving itv, schofield told the noc leaving itv, schofield told the nnc mc leaving itv, schofield told the bbc his broken leaving itv, schofield told the bbc his broken and ashamed and ncn bbc his broken and ashamed and ncn concom bbc his broken and ashamed and hell forever be bbc his broken and ashamed and hell forever be sorry hes hit om hell forever be sorry hes hit out at hell forever be sorry hes hit out at criticism, hell forever be sorry hes hit out at criticism, calling it relentless out at criticism, calling it relentless and out at criticism, calling it relentless and warned of its cacacmopmc relentless and warned of its catastrophic effect on his monta catastrophic effect on his Mental Health, even questioning if Mental Health, even questioning n pcoch Mental Health, even questioning n pcoch nam Mental Health, even questioning if people want him to die. He cnggcccc if people want him to die. He cnggcccc mac if people want him to die. He suggests that homophobia could be suggests that homophobia could pc pcnmo suggests that homophobia could be behind some suggests that homophobia could be behind some of the backlash. Notc be behind some of the backlash. Notc mayo be behind some of the backlash. Notc mayo a be behind some of the backlash. Lets have a listen be behind some of the backlash. Lets have a listen. � e lets have a listen. If it was a heterosexual relationship , then, heterosexual relationship, then, you know , it would have been you know, it would have been a bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. If its a gay relationship ,. If its a gay relationship, then suddenly it raises eyebrows. Its wrong. Its wrong. People do find each other attractive in in different age groups. I mean , it does happen, you know , but , it does happen, you know, but its the mere fact that this is so gigantic. And i appreciate the workplace and, you know , the the workplace and, you know, the history. I get that. But its history. I get that. But its the fact that its, you know , the fact that its, you know, its so massive. Right. Okay. Its so massive. Right. Okay. Ncn its so massive. Right. Okay. Ncn mac its so massive. Right. Okay. Well, that was e right. Okay. Well, that was Phillip Schofield naming well, that was Phillip Schofield taking to well, that was Phillip Schofield taking to me well, that was Phillip Schofield talking to the bbc last night. And talking to the bbc last night. And no talking to the bbc last night. And no anco talking to the bbc last night. And he also gave a full sit down monoton and he also gave a full sit down interview with and he also gave a full sit down interview with the and he also gave a full sit down interview with the Sun Newspaper , nmcn interview with the Sun Newspaper , nmcn ic interview with the Sun Newspaper , nmcn c on interview with the Sun Newspaper , which is on their interview with the Sun Newspaper , which is on their front page today , which is on their front page today and , which is on their front page today and over , which is on their front page today and over many pages inside as today and over many pages inside ac nou today and over many pages inside ac ncn. Today and over many pages inside as well. Joining today and over many pages inside as well. Joining me today and over many pages inside as well. Joining me now to talk as well. Joining me now to talk abom as well. Joining me now to talk more about this as well. Joining me now to talk more about this latest development in an ongoing saga, icnc development in an ongoing saga, ian N Development in an ongoing saga, ian N C Development in an ongoing saga, isnt it is showbiz development in an ongoing saga, isnt it is showbiz commentator enn isnt it is showbiz commentator nnn nnnnpc isnt it is showbiz commentator Ellie Phillips. Isnt it is showbiz commentator Ellie Phillips. Hey dawn. Hey, Ellie Phillips. Hey dawn. Hey, enn Ellie Phillips. Hey dawn. Hey, nnn. Mank Ellie Phillips. Hey dawn. Hey, ellie. Thank you Ellie Phillips. Hey dawn. Hey, ellie. Thank you forjoining me ellie. Thank you for joining me on nic ellie. Thank you for joining me on nnc nochy ellie. Thank you for joining me on this lovely sunny saturday. Now on this lovely sunny saturday. Non, enn on this lovely sunny saturday. Now, ellie, youve on this lovely sunny saturday. Now, ellie, youve obviously nanchn now, ellie, youve obviously watched phillips interview last mgn watched phillips interview last mgm ano watched phillips interview last mgm ana noy watched phillips interview last night and they went out on bbc and night and they went out on bbc and yonc night and they went out on bbc and yonc acad night and they went out on bbc and youve read all the information and youve read all the information in the sun today. Nnan information in the sun today. Nnan no information in the sun today. Nnan no you information in the sun today. What do you make of what he has can what do you make of what he has can n what do you make of what he has can n um. What do you make of what he has can n nm. What do you make of what he has said. 7 um, i think what do you make of what he has said. 7 um, i think its what do you make of what he has said . Said . Um, i think its really concerning because i think hes conflating quite a few issues that he doesnt need to do. I think to say that it would have been nudge, nudge, wink, wink had it been a woman, i dont think is true because the issue is that they met when is definitely that they met when the younger person was 15 years old under the age of consent. The younger person was 15 years old under the age of consent. I think the sex of the individual has absolutely nothing to do with it. I also has absolutely nothing to do with it. I also think its has absolutely nothing to do with it. I also think its wrong with it. I also think its wrong to suggest that he was treated differently than than others , differently than than others, you know, just purely because of the sex that the man that he was in this relationship , which he in this relationship, which he wasnt. So he says he wasnt a relationship with. And so i think thats really worrying and also confuse us massively. Um also to confuse us massively. Um the media with social media, um, is really damaging as well because to say , you know, who because to say, you know, who was he treated differently by was he treated differently by was it the media who have ethics , morals and legal responsible dufies , morals and legal responsible duties to report things in a certain way . Or is it social media, which is a complete free for all with zero regulation and different worlds altogether . And its really damaging for the media to be kind of confused in with and he of all people, with that. And he of all people, should know that after all he worked this morning, maybe he worked on this morning, maybe he wasnt necessarily a journalist , but he definitely for , but he definitely worked for some pasties. And some journalistic pasties. And also to say, um , i think it also to say, um, i think it obviously acknowledges how big a story this is. Um, but i find it confusing that hes now sitting doing multiple interviews with different outlets. I think surely the best thing would have been to just do one, get your point across , answer the point across, answer the questions and move on. And the bad thing thats come out of this is that actually hes left more questions unanswered by the things that he said in these interviews than anything else. For example, he didnt answer some questions that succinctly. He said when he was asked was there more to come, you know, other than this affair, he didnt say no. He just said that this was his biggest, sorriest secret. So what does that mean . Secret. So what does that mean . Just to be clear, just is there more to come . Sorry yeah, absolutely. Well, more to come . Sorry yeah, absolutely. Well, just f7 yeah, absolutely. Well, just to be chan absolutely. Well, just to be chan nap absolutely. Well, just to be clear that, you absolutely. Well, just to be clear that, you know, philip has chcch clear that, you know, philip has chcch an clear that, you know, philip has stressed all the clear that, you know, philip has stressed all the way through nac stressed all the way through nat nonnng stressed all the way through that nothing happened. That nothing illegal happened. Nonc that nothing illegal happened. There relationship there was no sexual relationship nnn there was no sexual relationship nnnyoang there was no sexual relationship withyoung runner with with the young runner pcfonc with with the young runner before no with with the young runner before he was with with the young runner before he was probably about 20, 21, before he was probably about 20, n acconnng before he was probably about 20, 21, according to before he was probably about 20, 21, according to philip in this interview. 21, according to philip in this interview. Um, 21, according to philip in this interview. Um, are you surprised nac interview. Um, are you surprised nat no interview. Um, are you surprised nat no nac interview. Um, are you surprised that he has come interview. Um, are you surprised that he has come out and has chn that he has come out and has chn noo that he has come out and has given two interviews, by the nayn given two interviews, by the nayn. Given two interviews, by the nayn n moan given two interviews, by the way . I mean, thats the other nnngc way . I mean, thats the other nnngc no way . I mean, thats the other things he said way . I mean, thats the other things he said have been statements, things he said have been statements, but he has given two nnnannc statements, but he has given two nnnanncnnc interviews now. Are you cmchcn interviews now. Are you surprised that he has done this . Do surprised that he has done this . No you surprised that he has done this . No you nnnn surprised that he has done this . Do you think maybe he would have noon do you think maybe he would have been nchn do you think maybe he would have been better off do you think maybe he would have been better off not do you think maybe he would have been better off not to say anynnng been better off not to say anynnmg n been better off not to say anynnmg n n been better off not to say anything . been better off not to say anything . I think he wanted to anything . I think he wanted to take control of the narrative , take control of the narrative, which i think and also there were so many Unanswered Questions which he addressed some of them. So i think that was wise move. And has was a wise move. And he has every right to speak his truth as he sees it. But underlying all of this is the fact that audiences watching know that hes lied for so many years. Hes lied for so many years. What can be believed by what he says now . And so im not sure what good it does in that sense. And its so soon after admitting that youve lied to. Absolutely everybody in your life about something and kept it secret. So so i understand why he wanted to do it. Im not sure who his advisers were. Obviously, he was dropped by wiremu and he said his two daughters are surrounding him and not letting him out of his sight. One of and not letting him out of his sight. One of his daughters actually works for wiremu. Shes, an agent in her own shes, um, an agent in her own right. So perhaps shes helping in way. But i think maybe in some way. But i think maybe he should have left it a little bit longer. Maybe have bit longer. Maybe he should have gotten a little bit better advice, kept his answers shorter, them more succinct shorter, kept them more succinct and to the point because when he rambled and said certain things , he left things to , he left things open to interpretation somewhat. And again, not good because again, thats not good because then it it it rolls on then it makes it it rolls on further and people are now kind of moving on from it every time he speaks or every time snippets of this interview are played out, people are then talking about it once again. So if he wants to get on and wants to be able to get on and live life , um, however, its live his life, um, however, its Going Forward going to be moving forward without any intrusion. Are without any intrusion. Why are you yourself up to that you opening yourself up to that intrusion . Oh, thats great. Intrusion . Oh, thats great. Mank intrusion . Oh, thats great. Nann yon intrusion . Oh, thats great. Nann you very w7 oh, thats great. Thank you very much for joining us, thank you very much for joining sanan thank you very much for joining us, sarah ellie thank you very much for joining us, sarah Ellie Phillips , their us, sarah Ellie Phillips, their pncccmcn us, sarah Ellie Phillips, their presenter and us, sarah Ellie Phillips, their presenter and showbiz commentator. Thank you very much for joining commentator. Thank you very much for joining ac commentator. Thank you very much for joining us today, commentator. Thank you very much for joining us today, ellie. Now forjoining us today, ellie. Now cnn forjoining us today, ellie. Now cnn on forjoining us today, ellie. Now cnn on no forjoining us today, ellie. Now still on the subject, joined by cama still on the subject, joined by Carla Bellucci still on the subject, joined by Carla Bellucci , still on the subject, joined by Carla Bellucci , who was a guest Carla Bellucci, who was a guest on nic Carla Bellucci, who was a guest on this morning Carla Bellucci, who was a guest on this morning in Carla Bellucci, who was a guest on this morning in 2019 and cnach on this morning in 2019 and cnamc no on this morning in 2019 and claims to have on this morning in 2019 and claims to have been bullied by scnoncnn claims to have been bullied by scnoncnn. Claims to have been bullied by schofield. Good claims to have been bullied by schofield. Good afternoon, schofield. Good afternoon, cama schofield. Good afternoon, carla. Thank schofield. Good afternoon, carla. Thank you so much for joining carla. Thank you so much for joining ac carla. Thank you so much for joining us this carla. Thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. 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Think my own newspapers. I think my own included, of a included, gave you a bit of a hard as well. But somewhat hard time as well. But somewhat perversely, can you understand now, what phillip now, given what Phillip Schofield is going through to the pile on, thats happened to philip . I mean, at the end of the day, he is a human being. He does have a wife. You pointed does have a wife. As you pointed out. Two daughters who does have a wife. As you pointed out standingtwo daughters who does have a wife. As you pointed out standing by daughters who does have a wife. As you pointed out standing by him ghters who does have a wife. As you pointed out standing by him ghtwell. Ho are standing by him as well. So can you understand on a human level, something of what hes going through as well . Oh, 100. Going through as well . Oh, 100. And even to last night, i was no, and even to last night, i was no, n and even to last night, i was no, n no and even to last night, i was no, n no. 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Partly it was my fault , i have hey, i fault, but i dont have hey, i just fault, but i dont have hey, i ich, you fault, but i dont have hey, i ich, you know, fault, but i dont have hey, i just, you know, i fault, but i dont have hey, i just, you know, i hope it all unravels and just, you know, i hope it all unravels and works out. c unravels and works out. Are you noonng unravels and works out. Are you noonng moo unravels and works out. Are you feeling more settled and better with your Mental Health now, carla oh, 100, yeah. Ive learned to like carla oh, 100, yeah. Ive learned to like and o � oo ive learned to like and you know , learned to like and you know, ive learned to like and you know, he, too learned to like and you know, ive, ive done learned to like and you know, ive, ive done okay, so im okay. Ive, ive done okay, so im okay. Coon. Ive, ive done okay, so im okay. Good. Well, ive, ive done okay, so im okay. Good. Will 3 okay. Good. Well, good for you. And thank you very much for joining us. Thats Carla Bellucci, who was a guest. You look gorgeous as well, who was a guest on this morning talking of her experiences. Now Phillip Schofield has denied any and all allegations of bullying in his interview with amol rajan , he interview with amol rajan, he said theres no toxicity , said theres no toxicity, theres no bullying, theres no discrimination. At this morning, discrimination. At this morning, we have reached out to itv for a comment, but they are yet to respond. However, on this topic. Itv said this the itv have said this the relationships we have with those we work with are based on trust. And philip made assurances to us and his agency, which he now acknowledges were untrue. We acknowledges were untrue. And we feel let down. As a feel badly. Let down. As a producer and broadcaster, itv takes this responsibilities around duty of care seriously and has robust and well established processes in place to support the mental and physical health of employees and all those we work with. Well, all those we work with. Well, you lots more on that you can get lots more on that story on our website. Simply head over to cbnnews. Com where youll find the best analysis and opinion as well as the latest breaking news. Right. Youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. Dawn neesom. And theres lots more to neesom. And theres lots more to come. So dont go anywhere. Were off to the races, of course. Derby day as the atmosphere grows in the build up to the epsom derby. We have all to the epsom derby. We have all the latest from the as the latest from the course as well. An eye on the Animal Rights who could rights protesters who could disrupt. Hopefully disrupt proceedings. Hopefully not. Lets take at not. But first, lets take at what the weathers going to be like them and us. Hello like for them and us. Hello there. Im greg l e� n as hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst l a c5 hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and nocomon there. Im Greg Dewhurst and nocomon no there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news noannon welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Weve got a Weather Forecast. Weve got a nno Weather Forecast. Weve got a nno ovonnng Weather Forecast. Weve got a fine evening to Weather Forecast. Weve got a fine evening to come. It does fine evening to come. It does nam fine evening to come. It does turn overnight,. Fine evening to come. It does. Turn overnight, but turn quite chilly overnight, but non nnn turn quite chilly overnight, but non nnn no turn quite chilly overnight, but then will be another then for most it will be another canny then for most it will be another cpnny nay then for most it will be another cpnny nay on then for most it will be another sunny day on sunday. So looking at sunny day on sunday. So looking n no sunny day on sunday. So looking n no nggon sunny day on sunday. So looking at the Bigger Picture and high poccmo ch at the Bigger Picture and High Pressure sits firmly in place iacn pressure sits firmly in place iacn no pressure sits firmly in place ich no no pressure sits firmly in place just to the north of the uk, noopnng just to the north of the uk, noopnng n just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry and settled, nnoagn keeping it dry and settled, nnopgn no keeping it dry and settled, though the positioning still means weve though the positioning still means weve got a north easterly nnoozo means weve got a north easterly nooo no means weve got a north easterly nooo no com means weve got a north easterly breeze to some northern and oacnom breeze to some northern and eastern coasts breeze to some northern and eastern coasts continuing to cnay eastern coasts continuing to cnay cnnny eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and quite cloudy at nnmoc stay chilly and quite cloudy at nnmoc ovon stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the next few days. Nnc times over the next few days. Nnno omo times over the next few days. Nnno onn no times over the next few days. Fine end to the times over the next few days. Fine end to the day. Some cancnnno fine end to the day. Some sunshine before fine end to the day. Some sunshine before dusk and then ovomngnn sunshine before dusk and then overnight will sunshine before dusk and then overnight will generally stay dry overnight will generally stay ny nnn overnight will generally stay dry with clear overnight will generally stay dry with clear spells , though. Dry with clear spells, though. Nonnco dry with clear spells, though. Nonnco nno dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud thickening across northeast scotland, down oacnom across northeast scotland, down oacnom panc across northeast scotland, down eastern parts of across northeast scotland, down eastern parts of england, ppcnmg eastern parts of england, ppcnmg nnno eastern parts of england, pushing into Central England nanon pushing into Central England nanon on pushing into Central England nanon on nn pushing into Central England later on in the pushing into Central England later on in the night. Temperatures generally dipping into single temperatures generally dipping into single figures. 1 or into single figures. 1 or 2 cponc into single figures. 1 or 2 cponc coann into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be on the chilly cno spots could be on the chilly cno no spots could be on the chilly side to start spots could be on the chilly side to start sunday morning. Side to start sunday morning. Nnonny side to start sunday morning. Nnonny on side to start sunday morning. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in plenty of sunshine, particularly nn no plenty of sunshine, particularly nn nno nocn plenty of sunshine, particularly nn nno nocn. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further east, we do mayo in the west. Further east, we do navo nnn in the west. Further east, we do navo nnan non in the west. Further east, we do have that low cloud first thing, but have that low cloud first thing, nannnn have that low cloud first thing, nannnn ano have that low cloud first thing, butlift and break. Have that low cloud first thing, but lift and break and but it should lift and break and pacn but it should lift and break and pacn nacn but it should lift and break and push back towards the coast, oacnom push back towards the coast, eastern coast push back towards the coast, eastern coast scotland, eastern coast of scotland, nonnnom eastern coast of scotland, northernand. Eastern coast of scotland, northernand eastern northern scotland and eastern nngnann northern scotland and eastern nngnann nnn northern scotland and Eastern England will see northern scotland and Eastern England will see cloudier skies nmoagn england will see cloudier skies nmopgn spnaay england will see cloudier skies through sunday at times, but im noponan through sunday at times, but im hopeful therell through sunday at times, but im hopeful therell be through sunday at times, but im hopeful therell be some nngnnon hopeful therell be some brighter breaks. Chilly here, temperatures brighter breaks. Chilly here, temperatures 13 to 14 degrees. Nn temperatures 13 to 14 degrees. On nnnann temperatures 13 to 14 degrees. But inland in temperatures 13 to 14 degrees. But inland in that sunshine, temperatures but inland in that sunshine, temperatures rising low to pochnny temperatures rising low to pochnny mn temperatures rising low to possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine and possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine and uv levels ngn the sunshine and uv levels remain high to the sunshine and uv levels remain high to very high into the remain high to very high into no ovonnng remain high to very high into the evening time. And overnight, we the evening time. And overnight, no nnn the evening time. And overnight, we see that low the evening time. And overnight, we see that low cloud start to comnn we see that low cloud start to omnn on we see that low cloud start to return off the we see that low cloud start to return off the north sea once nnn return off the north sea once more, this time return off the north sea once more, this time thicker and pochnny more, this time thicker and possibly expanding further south and westwards possibly expanding further south and westwards as possibly expanding further south and westwards as we move through the and westwards as we move through no nngnn and westwards as we move through the night. Clearer and westwards as we move through the night. Clearer skies in the nocn the night. Clearer skies in the nocn. The night. Clearer skies in the nocn. Nn the night. Clearer skies in the west. But even the night. Clearer skies in the west. But even under the cloud, west. But even under the cloud, nomponananoc west. But even under the cloud, temperatures dipping into single nganoc temperatures dipping into single nganoc. Temperatures dipping into single nganoc. So temperatures dipping into single ngmoc. So n temperatures dipping into single figures. So it means a bit of a nocnno figures. So it means a bit of a nocnno cpnn figures. So it means a bit of a westie split to figures. So it means a bit of a westie split to start the new nonnng westie split to start the new noannng nook westie split to start the new working week sunshine across oconn working week sunshine across oconn panc working week sunshine across oconn pannc on working week sunshine across western parts of the uk. Cloudy in western parts of the uk. Cloudy nn no western parts of the uk. Cloudy nn nno oacn western parts of the uk. Cloudy in the east. And western parts of the uk. Cloudy in the east. And then just like we in the east. And then just like no nacn in the east. And then just like we saw last week, in the east. And then just like we saw last week, this cloud nnn we saw last week, this cloud nnn nako we saw last week, this cloud will take its we saw last week, this cloud will take its time we saw last week, this cloud will take its time to burn back nnnoagn will take its time to burn back nmoagn no will take its time to burn back through the day will take its time to burn back through the day. Will take its time to burn back through the day. But eventually through the day. But eventually non through the day. But eventually you no through the day. But eventually well do allowing through the day. But eventually well do allowing some sunny cponc well do allowing some sunny cponc ovon well do allowing some sunny spells over the well do allowing some sunny spells over the next few days. Spells over the next few days. It spells over the next few days. Nn macn spells over the next few days. It remains very spells over the next few days. It remains very similar. Further cancnnno it remains very similar. Further sunshine temperatures listening to gb news radio. Listening to gb news radio. Nnn. Listening to gb news radio. Nnn. Nm listening to gb news radio. Nnn. Nm nay listening to gb news radio. 1231. 35; listening to gb news radio. 1231. 35; listening to gb news radio. 1231. 35; 1231. Im ray anderson in the newsroom. And our top story, the Prime Minister, rishi sunak , has Prime Minister, rishi sunak, has offered his condolences to the families of those killed in India Following a train crash in which 261 people died and 850 have been injured. The death toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the injured. And with an the injured. And with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi is also set to visit the site in odisha. State animal rising is accusing Surrey Police of abusing their powers after 19 people were arrested over plans to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested at addresses in mitcham and byfleet. Another eight were stopped in a vehicle in berg , eight were stopped in a vehicle in berg, heath. All were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance, and they remain in Police Custody. It comes after the group threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event. Rail passengers racing event. Rail passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and conditions as the disruption is affecting people planning to attend the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. And wembley and the epsom derby. And president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter offensive against russia. Speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory, but he doesnt know how long that could take. Kyiv previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before more that fight back could begin. Okay, you can back could begin. Okay, you can get more on all of these stories by visiting our website gb news. Com. Now lets get straight. Com. Now lets get straight back to dawn. Back to dawn. Thank you, ray , and welcome back thank you, ray, and welcome back to gb news saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. Now the epsom nonny digital radio. Now the epsom nonny nac digital radio. Now the epsom derby has returned g 5 now the epsom derby has returned for n g 5 now the epsom derby has returned for another yoan derby has returned for another yoan nnn derby has returned for another yoaa nnn no derby has returned for another year with the two derby has returned for another year with the two day horse race nocnnan year with the two day horse race festival kicking year with the two day horse race festival kicking off year with the two day horse race festival kicking off yesterday. But festival kicking off yesterday. On mono festival kicking off yesterday. But there are festival kicking off yesterday. But there are concerns about pnonocnonc but there are concerns about protesters making an appearance nononnng protesters making an appearance nononnng nno protesters making an appearance following the chaos caused at the following the chaos caused at no mana following the chaos caused at the grand National Animal rising say the grand National Animal rising cay mono the grand National Animal rising cay nnono nnn the grand National Animal rising say there will assemble up to a nooo say there will assemble up to a 1000 protesters say there will assemble up to a 1000 protesters to say there will assemble up to a 1000 protesters to disrupt the nocnnan 1000 protesters to disrupt the festival today 1000 protesters to disrupt the festival today after the jockey cnan festival today after the jockey cnan festival today after the jockey club were granted a high court nngancnnon club were granted a high court anpncnnon nn club were granted a High Court Injunction in a club were granted a High Court Injunction in a bid to prevent pnonocnonc injunction in a bid to prevent protesters from injunction in a bid to prevent protesters from disrupting the sanoy protesters from disrupting the races. Surrey police have annoany races. Surrey police have already confirmed 19 people have noon already confirmed 19 people have been arrested already confirmed 19 people have been arrested so already confirmed 19 people have been arrested so far over plans to been arrested so far over plans no ncmpn been arrested so far over plans to disrupt todays been arrested so far over plans to disrupt todays derby. Now joined to disrupt todays derby. Now joined ny to disrupt todays derby. Now were joined by our national noponnon were joined by our national aopoanoa naan were joined by our National Reporter paul hawkins , who is reporter paul hawkins, who is nonn reporter paul hawkins, who is down a reporter paul hawkins, who is down a npcom reporter paul hawkins, who is down at epsom downs racecourse. Noonng down at epsom downs racecourse. Noonng noyony down at epsom downs racecourse. Looking lovely and down at epsom downs racecourse. Looking lovely and sunny down mono. Looking lovely and sunny down nnono. Nooo looking lovely and sunny down there. Good afternoon , paul. How there. Good afternoon, paul. How is there. Good afternoon, paul. How nc n there. Good afternoon, paul. How nc nn gonng there. Good afternoon, paul. How nc nn gonng nonn there. Good afternoon, paul. How is it going down there . It looks goagooac is it going down there . It looks goagoopc. Nc is it going down there . It looks gorgeous. Is everyone having a mco gorgeous. Is everyone having a nnmo gorgeous. Is everyone having a nnmo n gorgeous. Is everyone having a nice time . Yeah, gorgeous. Is everyone having a nice time . Yeah, everyones nice time . Yeah, everyones naang nice time . Yeah, everyones naang a nice time . Yeah, everyones naynng a mco nice time . Yeah, everyones having a nice time. Jn dz; nice time . Yeah, everyones having a nice time. Jn ;� dz; having a nice time. Definitely. Nnn having a nice time. Definitely. What with the nice weather. The racings about to get underway. Theyve got the first race taking place at ten to 10 to 1. I think it is. And then weve got the derby, of course, the second race of the day at 130, a bit earlier because of the fa cup around the back of the cup run around the back of the Queen Elizabeth ii stand sitting to grandstand to next the grandstand just behind make their way behind us, people make their way in for the first race the day in for the first race of the day around the front, which where around the front, which is where the majority of attendees enter the majority of attendees enter the racecourse. There is a protest taking place by Animal Rights and thats an official protest. Now, theyve called those 19 arrests by Surrey Police this morning an abuse of power. There were a number of arrests made, one of which we know a car was stopped at around 10 30. This morning and a number of arrests there were made. But at the moment, pending what may be some potential disruption to the race later, theres an official protest taking place this morning. I was around there earlier chatting to louisa hillwood, from animal hillwood, whos from animal rising. She hillwood, whos from animal rising. She actually approached rising. She actually approached the rising. She actually approached mo yocnoy rising. She actually approached mo yocnoy cnnn rising. She actually approached the jockey club to 35 5; she actually approached the jockey club to start cnanogao the jockey club to start dialogue about what we wanted mono dialogue about what we wanted nono noaay dialogue about what we wanted here today because we want to pnonocn here today because we want to protectanimals. Here today because we want to protect animals. We believe here today because we want to protect jockeynals. 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They anco three horses die this year. They ncoana three horses die this year. They ancoana mn three horses die this year. They also and run epsom also own and run epsom racecourse. Also own and run epsom racecourse. They to racecourse. They need to do nonnon racecourse. They need to do nonnon. Racecourse. They need to do nonnon. Racecourse. They need to do better. Yeah, racecourse. They need to do better. Yeah, so racecourse. They need to do better. 55 5 racecourse. They need to do better. 4155 better. Yeah, so thats whats happening around the front. Theres the official protest going on. But as we know, the jockey club, which owned the racecourse, theyve been preparing for disruption to the race. Theyve tried prevention and they have put up some extra fencing but racecourse, fencing. But the racecourse, unlike , very open. There unlike aintree, very open. There are multiple public rights of way that run across the course and around course. Theyre and around the course. Theyre very difficult to prevent people getting onto the course. And instead theyve of instead theyve put a lot of effort any effort into mitigating any disruption that may take place. So all eyes on the racing and between the racing, when it gets underway. Speaking of the racing itself , weve been speaking to itself, weve been speaking to these punters earlier and finding out theyre finding out how much theyre looking derby and looking forward to the derby and especially the derby finale from Frankie Dettori when it gets underway at 130. Amazing. Weve came all the way from inverness in scotland. What . Yes. Youve in scotland. What . Yes. Youve chnon in scotland. What . Yes. Youve chnon no in scotland. What . Yes. Youve picked the right 5 f what . Yes. Youve picked the right ladies to come for nacn picked the right ladies to come for ncn com picked the right ladies to come for just some horses. No, no. Forjust some horses. No, no. Noono forjust some horses. No, no. 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He had a lot of horses and weve nannon he had a lot of horses and weve nannon anoan he had a lot of horses and weve talked about it he had a lot of horses and weve talked about it for he had a lot of horses and weve talked about it for several yoac talked about it for several yoac noa talked about it for several years. For what . Talked about it for several years. 7 n11 n. Talked about it for several years. 7 n11. N. Talked about it for several years. 7 1 n11. Years. For what . You have a great deal. Yeah. Its a shame the derbys been moved forward, but think. Yeah, well , but still, i think. Yeah, well, two reasons. Obviously, the fa cup two reasons. Obviously, the fa cap nnan two reasons. Obviously, the fa cup nag, nn two reasons. Obviously, the fa cup final, but also obviously, the fa cup final, but also they want to anon caco allow extra time in case the race. Disrupted allow extra time in case the race disrupted by animal race is disrupted by animal ngnnc nnan race is disrupted by Animal Rights what do. Rights protesters. What do you mako rights protesters. What do you. Rights protesters. What do you maomn an. N make about that . Well, i mean, i think they should go and stick to whatever theyre doing, but not disrupt peoples enjoyment. Not disrupt peoples enjoyment. And i think as long as you do it cnonny and i think as long as you do it cnonny ana and i think as long as you do it slowly and peacefully, why not . Its long. You dont disrupt oyocynoay its long. You dont disrupt oyocynoay. Its long. You dont disrupt oyocynoay. Its long. You dont disrupt oyocynoay. So its long. You dont disrupt everybody. Cc 53 its long. You dont disrupt everybody. N n1 n 5g g everybody. So doing that gives you an idea of what how some people are feeling. But i have spoken to other people here today who understand why animal rising would disrupt the race because, course, that gives because, of course, that gives them maximum publicity them the maximum publicity that makes their voice heard. And they this sport is they believe that this sport is cruel. They dont just want to see race disrupted. They see this race disrupted. They want to see an end to thoroughbred funny thoroughbred racing. Its funny because animal rising and animal protest and the jockey protest groups and the jockey club, the british horse racing authority, the horse racing industry, of them love industry, both of them love horses , but the they horses, but its the way they express that love. One believes that they undertake the ultimate levels of care to try and minimise the risk horses that they love, horses that they love, horses. Other love, racing horses. The other group, animal group, animal rising, animal protest groups, they love horses as but believe that they as well, but believe that they shouldnt purely for shouldnt be bred purely for racing. Is about how you racing. So this is about how you express that love for horseracing. Two different horseracing. Two very different points and they may points of view. And they may clash here today. Yeah, clash here later today. Yeah, thats just one thing that sprung to my mind. Its great that, you sprung to my mind. Its great nnan. You know. Sprung to my mind. Its great that, you know, its sprung to my mind. Its great that, you know, its a g 5 its great that, you know, its a peaceful pnonocn that, you know, its a peaceful pnonocn co that, you know, its a peaceful paonocn co nan that, you know, its a peaceful protest so far and that, you know, its a peaceful protest so far and we hope it remains that protest so far and we hope it remains that way protest so far and we hope it remains that way because if we nnn remains that way because if we nnnno remains that way because if we nnnnnno no remains that way because if we think to the national the think back to the national the nonay think back to the national the nonay no think back to the national the nonay no no think back to the national the delay to the start think back to the national the delay to the start of that may navo noco delay to the start of that may have horse, you. Have led to that horse, you mow. Have led to that horse, you monnady have led to that horse, you know, badly injured when have led to that horse, you krfell badly injured when have led to that horse, you krfell at badly injured when have led to that horse, you krfell at the badly injured when have led to that horse, you krfell at the first injured when have led to that horse, you krfell at the first injlhaving en it fell at the first and having to it fell at the first and having nononn. It fell at the first and having todown. And it fell at the first and having todown. And no it fell at the first and having to down. And no one wants it fell at the first and having to and down. And no one wants it fell at the first and having to and everyone,i no one wants it fell at the first and having to and everyone, ino one wants it fell at the first and having to and everyone, i think, wants it fell at the first and having to and everyone, i think, yomts that. And everyone, i think, you know. That. And everyone, i think, you monannman that. And everyone, i think, you know, Animal Rights know, supports Animal Rights nnnng know, supports Animal Rights nnnngla know, supports Animal Rights thinga certain know, supports Animal Rights thing a certain extent thing to a certain extent nocaaco thing to a certain extent because Everybody Loves animals. Thing to a certain extent beconez Everybody Loves animals. Thing to a certain extent becone wants body loves animals. Thing to a certain extent becone wants to dy loves animals. Thing to a certain extent becone wants to see ves animals. Thing to a certain extent becone wants to see animalsnals. No one wants to see animals gonnnng nnol getting hurt. But it was the npcom getting hurt. But it was the npcom noany getting hurt. But it was the epsom derby wasnt it, where the cannagonno epsom derby wasnt it, where the suffragette through whether it was accidentally or not, no ones sure herself in ones quite sure herself in nom ones quite sure herself in front horse. I ones quite sure herself in. Front horse. So ones quite sure herself in front horse. So it front of the kings horse. So it nooc front of the kings horse. So it nooc mayo front of the kings horse. So it nooc navo a front of the kings horse. So it does have a history of protests of does have a history of protests onnaco does have a history of protests ofrace. Well does have a history of protests ofrace. Well. Does have a history of protests ofrace. Well. Yeah, of this race as well. Yeah, yoo of this race as well. Yeah, youre absolutely right. That nn youre absolutely right. That was 1913 when youre absolutely right. That was 1913 when Emily Davison , was 1913 when Emily Davison, through the suffragette, threw herself in front of king george, the fifth horse, and then very sadly, died a few days later. And to be honest, i dont even know who won that race. That race noted for the death of race was noted for the death of Emily Davison, who was, of course it because they course, did it because they wanted to give women the right to vote. Now, we have heard from some people from animal rising who say they do not want to put the publics life at risk. Horses lifes at risk. They dont want to put the lives at risk of the jockeys or the horses themselves or the protesters. So think they protesters. And so we think they may disrupt a live may not try to disrupt a live race. It may be between the race now, given they want to seek the maximum you would have maximum publicity you would have thought would the thought that would come in the window just before the derby starts 130. But well wait to starts at 130. But well wait to see what happens. Certainly were one here were hoping that no one here and takes one person and it only takes one person believes that they are a modern day Emily Davison , thank you day Emily Davison, thank you very much. Paul hawkins thats nam very much. Paul hawkins thats naan nawnnc very much. Paul hawkins thats paul hawkins, our very much. Paul hawkins thats paul hawkins, our gb pn11;;1. Nt. 5 paul hawkins thats paul hawkins, our gb news nannonan paul hawkins, our gb news National Reporter in the epsom sancnnno National Reporter in the epsom sancnmo. National reporter in the epsom sunshine. Enjoy National Reporter in the epsom sunshine. Enjoy the rest of your sunshine. Enjoy the rest of your annomoon sunshine. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon and sunshine. 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Now a big cponc and on digital radio. Now a big cponc nay. And on digital radio. Now a big cponc nay. N and on digital radio. Now a big sports day. I love and on digital radio. Now a big sports day. I love this day. Nnanc sports day. I love this day. Nnanc omy sports day. I love this day. Thats why im sports day. I love this day. Thats why im sitting in here. Nm thats why im sitting in here. Nm mon thats why im sitting in here. Im not actually thats why im sitting in here. Im not actually at any of the oonnc im not actually at any of the ovonnccap im not actually at any of the events. Cup final im not actually at any of the events. Cup final goes events. The fa cup final goes anoan events. The fa cup final goes anoan noaay events. The fa cup final goes ahead today as events. 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If youre a liverpool person was a liverpool person that was the noncn a liverpool person that was the yoac a liverpool person that was the yoacn mank a liverpool person that was the worst. Thank you. Worst accent ever. Thank you vony worst accent ever. Thank you copy macn worst accent ever. Thank you very much, aidan. Worst accent ever. Thank you very much, aidan. You can go nngnn very much, aidan. You can go now. Right, aidan, talk to me anoan now. Right, aidan, talk to me anoan cpon now. Right, aidan, talk to me about sport. Talk now. Right, aidan, talk to me about sport. Talk to me about no about sport. Talk to me about nnolcap about sport. Talk to me about nnolcap. About sport. Talk to me about nnolcap. Om about sport. Talk to me about thecup. Oh,terrific| the fa cup. Oh, its terrific today. So, you say, man, today. So, as you say, man, united city. First united versus man city. First time two stellar clubs time theyve two stellar clubs like in cup like that have met in a cup final. Was there final. They met. I was there when the fa cup when they met in the fa cup semi final in 2011. In fact, that last that an that was the last year that an fa kicked off at 3 00 the fa cup kicked off at 3 00 in the afternoon. Weve gone back to traditional 3 00. This is the weird completely weird thing. Its completely discombobulated n 53 its completely discombobulated because im discombobulated me because im so discombobulated me because im cono discombobulated me because im soto football discombobulated me because im soto footballsort so used to football being sort of so used to football being sort on nno so used to football being sort of the afternooni so used to football being sort. Of the afternoon or of like 5 00 in the afternoon or mnnay of like 5 00 in the afternoon or mnnay on of like 5 00 in the afternoon or mnnay on a of like 5 00 in the afternoon or midday on a sunday, the midday on a sunday, 3 00, the sconnncn midday on a sunday, 3 00, the sconnncn cap. Midday on a sunday, 3 00, the scottish cup, the midday on a sunday, 3 00, the scottish cup, the scottish cup nnan scottish cup, the scottish cup nnannanon scottish cup, the scottish cup finaltaken place scottish cup, the scottish cup final taken place between final has taken place between connnc an final has taken place between. Celtic atbut celtic and inverness at 530, but it celtic and inverness at 530, but n nonmc it makes sense in terms of chonanng it makes sense in terms of. Scheduling point it makes sense in terms of scheduling point of scheduling scheduling point of now scheduling scheduling point of view because scheduling scheduling point of view because the scheduling scheduling point of view because the derby going view because the derby is going onlno. View because the derby is going on. 130. Youve view because the derby is going on. 130. Youve got view because the derby is going on. 130. Youve got a view because the derby is going on 130. 1 n1. ch g view because the derby is going on 130. 11 n11. ch g 5; on at 130. Youve got a good day of with with the fa of sport with 3 00 with the fa cup, and if you want to switch over celtic, try and win over and see celtic, try and win their its but their treble, then its 530. But yeah huge yeah look uniteds have got huge incentive have a incentive today they have a chance to deny Manchester City the chance to win the treble. Now cant they cant now you cant they cant win the treble they win treble today. They have to win the league. Course the champions league. Of course , when they play , on june 10th, when they play inter. So however inter in istanbul. So however they step towards they can take a big step towards removing three and removing one of those three and everyone is something everyone is saying Something Like hour, like phil said to me last hour, phil is still phil davis, he said, is it still prestigious fa cup . Well, i said, well, the context of said, well, in the context of winning to winning a treble, youve got to winning a treble, youve got to win win fa win it. Youve got to win the fa cup part of a treble to win cup as part of a treble to win it. So that establishes it. So that that establishes prestige itself, it . Prestige by itself, doesnt it . So though, so in terms of united, though, i mean, city this mean, theyve beaten city this season. Hag has season. Erik ten hag has produced master plan produced a tactical master plan in thats defeated in the past thats defeated city whether in the past thats defeated city whe absolutely idea although in the past thats defeated city whewill lutely idea although in the past thats defeated city whewill useely idea although in the past thats defeated city whewill use stefan dea although in the past thats defeated city whewill use Stefan Ortegalough in the past thats defeated city whewill use Stefan Ortega inigh city will use Stefan Ortega in goal today theyre not playing their goalkeeper goal today theyre not playing theiiout goalkeeper goal today theyre not playing theiiout loyaltyoalkeeper goal today theyre not playing theiiout loyalty to. Keeper goal today theyre not playing theiiout loyalty to the per just out of loyalty to the goalkeeper the cup goalkeeper hes played the cup games. United, id games. So if i was united, id be looking and thinking be looking at it and thinking thats bit thats a little bit disrespectful. Why arent you playing your your first choice against do you reckon . Against us . What do you reckon . I go to extra i think it will go to extra time, i think it will be. Time, but i think it will be. Everythings gone to extra time noco everythings gone to extra time nocomon everythings gone to extra time these know. Penalties, everythings gone to extra time theseit . Know. Penalties, everythings gone to extra time theseit . There they had a night in trafalgar square. Pictures last square. There were pictures last night there square. There were pictures last night and there square. There were pictures last night and think there square. There were pictures last night and think theyhere square. There were pictures last night and think they probably there, and i think they probably will tonight well. Will stay in tonight as well. You way, too, you saw some on your way, too, on here, didnt you . You saw some on your way, too, on united here, didnt you . You saw some on your way, too, on united fans. , didnt you . You saw some on your way, too, on united fans. Yeah,t you . Some united fans. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, of course. So absolutely. Yeah. No, of course. So con absolutely. Yeah. No, of course. So con on absolutely. Yeah. No, of course. So con onnow die; yeah. No, of course. So sort of how important is so sort of like how important is naanann so sort of like how important is haalandgame . So sort of like how important is haalandgame . So sort of like how important is haaland game . so sort of like how important is haalandgame . Haaland is haaland to this game . Haaland is nagoy haaland to this game . Haaland is hugely because hes hugely important because hes hes an exercise on his hes almost an exercise on his own to stop. Astonishing. He is. But then i think i do think that most top strikers in that team would score would score goals. Has he improved Manchester City would score would score goals. H well, improved Manchester City would score would score goals. H well, irsuppose Manchester City would score would score goals. H well, irsuppose ifanchester city would score would score goals. H well, irsuppose if they ster city would score would score goals. H well, irsuppose if they win city would score would score goals. H well, irsuppose if they win aity . Well, i suppose if they win a treble, had, treble, you say they had, but i mean, they an awesome mean, they were an awesome side last off last year. They werent far off winning time winning the treble this time last year as so is last year as well. So haaland is an exercise on his own. United have capability motty to have got the capability motty to look on have got the capability motty to look they on have got the capability motty to lookthey pick on have got the capability motty to lookthey pick in on have got the capability motty to lookthey pick in the on have got the capability motty to lookthey pick in the midfield as who they pick in the midfield as well, solidifies who they pick in the midfield as wel area. Solidifies who they pick in the midfield as wel area. I solidifies who they pick in the midfield as welarea. I think lidifies who they pick in the midfield as welarea. I think itdifies who they pick in the midfield as welarea. I think it might the area. But i think it might sometimes too much on sometimes we dwell too much on tactics too, too often. I think tactics too, too often. I think in football sometimes about who wants and i dont think wants it more and i dont think theres incentive theres a greater incentive for united stop Manchester United than to stop Manchester City win treble. They have city win the treble. They have form for this as well. United back Steve Coppell , the back in 1977, Steve Coppell, the greenhoff alex stepney greenhoff brothers, alex stepney in goal. They liverpool in goal. They stopped liverpool winning an fa cup that winning an fa cup and that denied the treble that denied them the treble that yeah denied them the treble that year. Stood him in year. And thats stood him in good because years good stead because 22 years later did their later when they did their own treble means theyre treble in 1999, it means theyre unassailable. Theyre on their own. Protecting own. So theyre protecting their history, theyre protecting their is their legacy today. But this is their legacy today. But this is the time, first major the first time, the first major final two sides, final between these two sides, isnt cant quite isnt it . Which i cant quite annoncnann isnt it . Which i cant quite understand and e. 7 which i cant quite understand and why its never napponoa happened before. But then again, onvnoach obviously, man city havent been as obviously, man city havent been acac obviously, man city havent been acac noy obviously, man city havent been acac nnoy ao obviously, man city havent been asas they are. Its as good as they are. No, its nno as good as they are. No, its nno nacn as good as they are. No, its the lastyears. As good as they are. No, its the lastyears. I as good as they are. No, its the last years. 3 the last ten years. I mean, i noma the last ten years. I mean, i would still have backed them to have final in last have been in a final in the last ten, years but prior ten, 12 years or so. But prior to getting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean getting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i getting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i think getting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i think it getting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i think it wasatting to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i think it was when to ten, 12 years or so. But prior tlmean i think it was when city i mean i think it was when city one cup in 2011 one won the fa cup in 2011 and it their first major it was their first major trophy since fact , they hadnt since 1976. In fact, they hadnt won league 1968. Won the league since 1968. Prior to it the year to that, they won it the year after. United it in 67. So after. United won it in 67. So i mean, nicely. United had lean pefiods mean, nicely. United had lean periods as well. They had 26 years where they didnt win the league and so league between 67 and 93. So they havent always been competing same level. Competing at the same level. But like clubs in the country, like other clubs in the country, you know, Liverpool Everton you know, liverpool and everton had the 80s where had a period in the 80s where they were both really successful. They were both really succestime either ones been of the time either ones been successful or or ones not. So its not always fair its not always a fair comparison. Hopefully comparison. Yeah. But hopefully itll be a great game and onvnoach itll be a great game and obviouslystill. Itll be a great game and obviouslystill listen obviously you can still listen to obviously you can still listen no ac obviously you can still listen no ac on obviously you can still listen no ac on no obviously you can still listen to us on the radio or do it the oppocno to us on the radio or do it the oppositearound to us on the radio or do it the. Oppositearoundbe opposite way around and ill be covonng onl opposite way around and ill be cogmoc onl opposite way around and ill be cov that smokers have all this extra time off work. I mean, youve got to remember, first of all, that everybody is entitled to a break one in the morning, another in the afternoon, and of course, a lunch break. And what people do during those breaks is a matter for the individual. A matter for the individual. Now, non smokers take additional breaks as well. They have coffee breaks as well. They have coffee breaks. They chat to colleagues. They go to on the internet. They daydream. Daydreaming is daydream. Daydreaming is actually thinking time, which i would totally approve of. But the point is, we all get through the point is, we all get through the working day in different ways, and for some people , a ways, and for some people, a break to have a cigarette helps them to refocus. Gotta admit, them to refocus. Gotta admit, though , simon, it is. 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Break well, if theyre doing that, of course, its partly because of the smoking ban, because since smokings been banned in the workplace , nobodys allowed to workplace, nobodys allowed to smoke at their desk anymore. Now, im not suggesting i was going to say. Youre not caggocnnng ch 5g youre not suggesting people start smoking at suggesting people start smoking an nonn suggesting people start smoking a nonnn no suggesting people start smoking at work . No no, suggesting people start smoking at work . No no, of suggesting people start smoking at work . No no, of course im non. At work . No no, of course im non. At work . No no, of course im non. No at work . No no, of course im non. Nono at work . No no, of course im not. Weto have. At work . No no, of course im not. Weto have smoking not. But we used to have smoking rooms end of the corridor rooms at the end of the corridor so people could just nip out and have cigarette. Look have a quick cigarette. But look , its down management , its down to management ultimately, management ultimately, because management knows get the best out of knows how to get the best out of their own workforce. Now, i used their own workforce. Now, i used to manage a small office and about half of the staff were smokers the other half smokers and the other half didnt smoke. I cant didnt smoke. Now i cant honestly say that i could tell any difference between the amount of time that they worked or that mattered to me was that they got the work done and on a completely different issue, i started work back in the 80s when i was in Public Relations , when i was in Public Relations, just at the bottom of fleet street, where, of course journalists used to go to local pubs and we all spent lots of time. We used to have lunch breaks of about three hours, but nobody said we werent getting our work done because when we went back to the office, we made up the time. And thats what most smokers they do take most smokers do. If they do take a excessive breaks, they will make up the time. At the end of the day. Ultimately, it all a matter of they get work matter of do they get the work done and if i have a smoker in my office and it seems to help them, makes them more efficient , then i will be i will happily allow them to smoke because i would rather they got the work done. Would rather they got the work done. I mean, nobodys going to done. I mean, nobodys going to turn round. For example , and say turn round. For example, and say to somebody like Jeremy Clarkson now Jeremy Clarkson has now given smoking , now Jeremy Clarkson has now given smoking, but now Jeremy Clarkson has now given smoking , but when he given up smoking, but when he used nobody would say, used to smoke, nobody would say, oh, dont want to employ oh, we dont want to employ jeremy because hes a Jeremy Clarkson because hes a smoker and the danger this is smoker and the danger is this is the were going down the route that were going down in society. That pressure is being on to employers to being brought on to employers to actually turn around and say, should do we actually employ smokers anymore . Because, look, smokers anymore . Because, look, theyre us time and theyre costing us time and money of their smoking money because of their smoking breaks but a matter of breaks. But thats a matter of weak management. But if smokers breaks. But thats a matter of weeoverdoing ment. But if smokers breaks. But thats a matter of weeoverdoing the it. But if smokers breaks. But thats a matter of weeoverdoing the smoking smokers are overdoing the smoking breaks, dont blame the smoker. Blame the poor management thats allowing to get away with allowing them to get away with that. Also dont let that. But also dont let non smokers some non smokers get away with some of the things that they do as well. So, i mean, just of the things that they do as well. So, i mean, just quickly, well. So, i mean, just quickly, iacn well. So, i mean, just quickly, acnnacn well. So, i mean, just quickly, justlast question. L just one quick last question. Noa con just one quick last question. Noa con on just one quick last question. You sort of like,| just one quick last question. I you sort of like, you you mentioned sort of like, you know. You mentioned sort of like, you nnoyalcmonng you mentioned sort of like, you. Know,. 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Well i dont be allow wine in the office as well. Well i dont see why not. Well. Well i dont see why not. Ogam well. Well i dont see why not. Ngam. Well. Well i dont see why not. Ngam. Nnon well. Well i dont see why not. Ngam. Nnon n well. Well i dont see why not. Again , when i started well. Well i dont see why not. Again , when i started work well. Well i dont see why not. Again , when i started work back again, when i started work back in the 80s, everythings changed. And i do accept that. But we would go out for lunch and we would have a pint of beer or have a bottle of wine or wed have a bottle of wine between 2 or 3 of us, and wed go back to the office. And it didnt stop us doing our job. Didnt stop us doing ourjob. Now again, its down the now again, its down to the individual im now again, its down to the indisuggesting im now again, its down to the indisuggesting that im now again, its down to the indisuggesting that everybody not suggesting that everybody should, know, have a drink should, you know, have a drink at get drunk. I mean, at work and get drunk. I mean, that be ludicrous. But that would be ludicrous. But look, if a glass of wine helps somebody get through the day , somebody get through the day, why on earth not . I mean, its not to happen. But not going to happen. But as an employer myself , i wouldnt have employer myself, i wouldnt have a problem it. Okay. Simon a problem with it. Okay. Simon narco a problem with it. Okay. Simon cnanno. Nnann a problem with it. Okay. Simon clarke, thank you a problem with it. Okay. Simon clarke, thank youmuch. Okay. 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Fun packed , amazing show coming fun packed, amazing show coming up , a government unit firstly up, a government unit firstly has worked with social Media Companies to damp discussion of controversial lockdown policies dufing controversial lockdown policies during the panic pandemic. Is this a necessary infringement of our Civil Liberties or a drastic nanny state overreach by the government . And that big brother watching thing . Be joined government . And that big brother watheig thing . Be joined government . And that big brother wathe founder . Be joined government . And that big brother wathe founder of be joined government . And that big brother wathe founder of this; joined government . And that big brother wathe founder of this is ined government . And that big brother wathe founder of this is anzd by the founder of this is an exciting story. The founder of matrix uk, who was arrested and then de arrested. Is that then de arrested. Is that possible for being naked on a local park bench . Well talk about the discrimination faced by members of the naturist community and apparently prince harry and meghan are going to spare. See what i did there as any further fly on the wall documentaries. Instead theyre going to focus on being behind the cameras and the charity work. Well, well believe that when we see it, shall we . But first, its headlines with ray its the News Headlines with ray. Thanks, dawn. Our top story nnn. Thanks, dawn. Our top story nnnc noac. Thanks, dawn. Our top story nnnc noan an. Thanks, dawn. Our top story this hour at 1 01, thanks, dawn. Our top story this hour at 1 01, the prime nnnncnon this hour at 1 01, the Prime Minister, rishi this hour at 1 01, the Prime Minister, rishi sunak, has onnonon minister, rishi sunak, has offered his minister, rishi sunak, has offered his condolences to the namnnoc offered his condolences to the namnnoc on offered his condolences to the families of those offered his condolences to the families of those killed in man families of those killed in India Following a train crash amoro India Following a train crash nnono an India Following a train crash where at least India Following a train crash where at least 261 people died ana where at least 261 people died and coo where at least 261 people died and coo noo where at least 261 people died and 850 were injured. The death toll and 850 were injured. The death non manoc and 850 were injured. The death non manoc n and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the countrys noacnnocn toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more nan deadliest rail incident in more man no deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has noon than two decades. The army has noon aopnoyon than two decades. The army has been deployed to than two decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the been deployed to help evacuate nno nnganoa been deployed to help evacuate the injured with been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive coacn the injured with an extensive coacn ana the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation. An search and rescue operation. An ongonng search and rescue operation. An ongonng nnmo search and rescue operation. An ongoing Prime Minister narendra mon ongoing Prime Minister narendra mon nc ongoing Prime Minister narendra mon nc con ongoing Prime Minister narendra mon nc con no ongoing Prime MinisterNarendra Modi is set to visit ongoing Prime MinisterNarendra Modi is set to visit the site in oancna modi is set to visit the site in odisha state modi is set to visit the site in odisha state Phillip Schofield cayc odisha state Phillip Schofield cayc no odisha state Phillip Schofield cayc no noac odisha state Phillip Schofield says he fears being spat on in no says he fears being spat on in no anoon says he fears being spat on in the street after says he fears being spat on in the street after it says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed nnan the street after it was revealed nnan noo the street after it was revealed nnan non nao the street after it was revealed that hed had an the street after it was revealed that hed had an affair with a macn that hed had an affair with a macn yoangon that hed had an affair with a much younger colleague. Whilst paoconnnng much younger colleague. Whilst paoconnnng nnn much younger colleague. Whilst presenting this morning. Now in a nnnonnon presenting this morning. Now in a new interview with the sun, he anmnnon a new interview with the sun, he anmnnon nnan a new interview with the sun, he admitted that hes a new interview with the sun, he admitted that hes afraid to noavo admitted that hes afraid to noavo nc admitted that hes afraid to leave his house admitted that hes afraid to leave his house after resigning naom leave his house after resigning nnom nnn leave his house after resigning nnom nnn ana leave his house after resigning from itv and being dropped by his from itv and being dropped by nc nanonn from itv and being dropped by his talent agency. From itv and being dropped by his talent agency. Schofield cayc his talent agency. Schofield cayc no his talent agency. Schofield cayc no nc his talent agency. Schofield says he is getting by hour by noac says he is getting by hour by noan nnn says he is getting by hour by hour with support from his aaagnnonc hour with support from his daughters and hour with support from his daughters and friends. Hour with support from his daughters and friends. Animal daughters and friends. Animal nnnng daughters and friends. Animal nnang nc daughters and friends. Animal rising is accusing Surrey Police of rising is accusing Surrey Police on anaang rising is accusing Surrey Police of abusing their rising is accusing Surrey Police of abusing their powers after 19 poopno of abusing their powers after 19 poopno noo of abusing their powers after 19 people were arrested over plans to people were arrested over plans no ncnapn people were arrested over plans no ncnapn nno people were arrested over plans to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested at to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested at addresses in nncnam were arrested at addresses in nncnam ana were arrested at addresses in mitcham and byfleet and another ongnn mitcham and byfleet and another ongnn noo mitcham and byfleet and another eight were stopped in a vehicle in eight were stopped in a vehicle nn nong eight were stopped in a vehicle nn gag, noam. Eight were stopped in a vehicle in berg, heath. All were anocnon in berg, heath. All were arrested on in berg, heath. All were arrested on suspicion of concpnacy arrested on suspicion of concpnacy no arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance. They conspiracy to commit public nuisance. They remain in police cacnony nuisance. They remain in police cacnony ana nuisance. They remain in police cacnoay and n nuisance. They remain in Police Custody and it comes after the group custody and it comes after the group threatened custody and it comes after the group threatened to cancel or covonony group threatened to cancel or coyoaony nonay group threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing ovonn severely delay the horse racing ovonn an severely delay the horse racing ovonn an nan severely delay the horse racing event at rail. Severely delay the horse racing event at rail. Passengers are event at rail. Passengers are oxpononang event at rail. Passengers are experiencing their third day of amo experiencing their third day of major disruption. 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The disruption is will be running. The disruption nc annocnnng will be running. The disruption is affecting people attending the is affecting people attending no na is affecting people attending no na cap is affecting people attending the fa cup final is affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and the fa cup final at wembley and no npcom the fa cup final at wembley and no npcom noany the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. The fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Diesel prices the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell the epsom derby. Diesel prices non ny the epsom derby. Diesel prices non ny a the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record of the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 nacn fell by a record of almost £0. 12 nacn momn fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. Thats the biggest nop last month. 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Its the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump consecutive month in which uk pamp pancoc consecutive month in which uk pamp pancoc navo consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen , pump prices have fallen, aonaang pump prices have fallen, reducing the pump prices have fallen, reducing the cost of filling up a nychan reducing the cost of filling up anychan namny reducing the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6. 50. Nonaon a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also a typical family car by £6. 50. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 nacn petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 nacn momn petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month, with petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month, with. Petrol prices also fell by £0. 03 last month, with. Scotlands last month, with. Scotlands nacn last month, with. Scotlands first minister last month, with. 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President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that ukraine is aoaay zelenskyy says that ukraine is aoany no zelenskyy says that ukraine is ready to launch zelenskyy says that ukraine is ready to launch its counter onnoncno ready to launch its counter offensive against russia. Offensive against russia. Spoanng offensive against russia. Spoanng no offensive against russia. Speaking to the wall street aoaanan speaking to the wall street aoaanan. Speaking to the wall street aoaanan. Na speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he nonovoc journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes that journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes that ukraine will caccooa believes that ukraine will caccooa nn believes that ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occapnon succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory, but does not mon occupied territory, but does not know non occupied territory, but does not know non nong occupied territory, but does not know how long that will take. 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Now, saturday with dawn. Thank you, ray. Now, obviously, i didnt the euromillions i didnt win the euromillions last night and thankfully, nor did nigel nelson. No, i havent. Because you are back here with me, arent you . Youre joining us. Of course both here. We us. Of course we both here. We would if won even would be here if we won it. Even though, wouldnt course. Though, wouldnt we . Of course. So but we off so much. Yeah, but we rush off to so much. Yeah, but we rush off no nnan to the bahamas after that nogonnon to the bahamas after that together, together , though. Together, not together, though. I together, not together, though. N noyony together, not together, though. N noyony nno. I know. Your lovely wife. Not together. By the way. Together. Okay. By the way. Right, big political together. Okay. By the way. Right, as big political together. Okay. By the way. Right, as always; political together. Okay. By the way. Right, as always. Political together. Okay. By the way. Right, as always. Quick al together. Okay. By the way. Right, as always. Quick one on week, as always. Quick one on the front page of the telegraph today, which i think a lot of people will find slightly scary. This mr farage government this this mr farage government unit that motty centred what we were saying. Yes pandemic. Not as mysterious as the 5g 11 15 at. Not as mysterious as the telegraph manoc as mysterious as the telegraph manoc oan as mysterious as the telegraph makes out because you can find out makes out because you can find oan nna makes out because you can find oan nnan n makes out because you can find out what it does makes out because you can find out what it does on makes out because you can find out what it does on the gov. Uk noncno out what it does on the gov. Uk website. Come out what it does on the gov. Uk website. Come on. Out what it does on the gov. Uk website. Come on. But anyway, ves website. Come on. But anyway, yes , website. Come on. But anyway, yoc. 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The worry onvnoach getting it taken down. The worry onvnoach an getting it taken down. The worry obviously at the getting it taken down. The worry obviously at the time was cpocnncany obviously at the time was specifically over vaccines nocaaco specifically over vaccines because goodness knows where we noam because goodness knows where we noann no because goodness knows where we noann no n because goodness knows where we would be if people because goodness knows where we would be if people people had noon would be if people people had noon ccaaoa would be if people people had been scared of would be if people people had been scared of being vaccinated. Nan been scared of being vaccinated. Nan nnnng been scared of being vaccinated. But talking about been scared of being vaccinated. But talking about the been scared of being vaccinated. But talking about the vaccine, i dont want to disappear down. Sort of like the conspiracy rabbit holes. But people had a right to be wary of vaccines and to be concerned about vaccines and some of this wariness was being monitored and sensed. Ed, being monitored and sensed. Ed, that cant be right, surely . 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You actually say things there that you actually say things there that yoa noannnn actually say things there that you wouldnt say elsewhere. Noacnny. You wouldnt say elsewhere. Noacnny. Nan you wouldnt say elsewhere. Exactly. But its you wouldnt say elsewhere. Exactly. But its still relevant to exactly. But its still relevant no no exactly. But its still relevant no no nngany exactly. But its still relevant no no nngany. Exactly. But its still relevant to the inquiry. 1 53 exactly. But its still relevant to the inquiry. 1 53 to the inquiry. Just checking my whatsapp there. All right. Its whatsapp there. All right. Its only if my mum. So youre more than welcome to take my whatsapp so well hopefully things will get moving because i mean there are lot of people out are a lot of people bereaved out there want answers. Yeah. There who do want answers. Yeah. And they the and i think they deserve the. Nnoy and i think they deserve the. Anszthem they and i think they deserve the. 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Whats happening noonc this a thing . Whats happening noaonc a this a thing . Whats happening hereis a thing, this a thing . Whats happening hereis a thing, i here now . It is a thing, i nnnnn. Here now . It is a thing, i think. Yeah. Here now . It is a thing, i think. Yeah. I here now . It is a thing, i think. here now . It is a thing, i think. 11415 15 15 think. Yeah. I mean, at the moment the latest is karen davis, whos been suspended over allegations Sexual Misconduct allegations of Sexual Misconduct. He says that he doesnt recognise them and has apologised to anybody he inadvertently offended. But it goes on and the real problem is the staff there dont have the confidence to make an official complaint. This is the difficulty about it. Youve got the independent complaints and grievance scheme where theyre meant to go to you, but a lot of people are worried about their future careers. If they do. And we still havent found found a way of dealing with that at the moment. What theyre considering is that the staff in the house of commons bear in mind there are 15,000 people who work there. The staff there would be employed by the houses of parliament and not by individual mps because often the person they complain to is the one that was abused them. However, a lot was abused them. However, a lot of staff are against that. Theyve chosen to work for a certain mp. Theres Political Parties to come into this. You couldnt have a labour researcher going over to work for a conservative mp. So the this is not a solution to the problem. The solution is have confidence in the system and the system. How much does it involve the system. How much does it involve nno noaac system. How much does it involve nno noaac. System. How much does it involve the hours , obviously, 5; how much does it involve the hours , obviously, as we the hours, obviously, as we mow. The hours, obviously, as we know, are antisocial. Well, know, are antisocial. Well, yoo know, are antisocial. Well, youve stalked know, are antisocial. Well, youve stalked the corridors of ponoa youve stalked the corridors of ponoa noa youve stalked the corridors of powoa noa many youve stalked the corridors of power for many years now. Nigel. Power for many years now. Nigel. Im power for many years now. Nigel. Nm noa power for many years now. Nigel. Nm non aao power for many years now. Nigel. Im not sure about power for many years now. Nigel. Im not sure about the power for many years now. Nigel. Im not sure about the word im not sure about the word stalking, but there you go. Stalking works for me. How much of stalking works for me. How much on nnn stalking works for me. How much on nnn nc stalking works for me. How much on nnn n no stalking works for me. How much of this is to do with the alcohol culture that happens at the moment . I think quite a lot of the moment . I think quite a lot n n the moment . I think quite a lot n n. Annoagn the moment . 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When i first went the house of commons, went to the house of commons, amon went to the house of commons, nnon naagaaon went to the house of commons, when Margaret Thatcher was was went to the house of commons, when minister thatcher was was went to the house of commons, when minister ,hatcher was was went to the house of commons, when minister , our her was was went to the house of commons, when minister , our mpslvas was went to the house of commons, when minister , our mps were as Prime Minister, our mps were naogaonnny Prime Minister, our mps were frequently drunk. They often had to frequently drunk. They often had no no frequently drunk. They often had no no nonn frequently drunk. They often had no no nonn ap frequently drunk. They often had to be held up to frequently drunk. They often had to be held up to go through the nonng to be held up to go through the voting lobbies to be held up to go through the voting lobbies because they nann voting lobbies because they nana nay voting lobbies because they nana nay nol voting lobbies because theyi didnt way to go. Didnt know which way to go. No didnt know which way to go. No nn didnt know which way to go. No nn nno didnt know which way to go. Like in the rest didnt know which way to go. Like in the rest of society. Like in the rest of society. Nonny like in the rest of society. Nonny nno like in the rest of society. Motty the drinking culture in paanamonn motty the drinking culture in parliament is motty the drinking culture in parliament is less than it used to parliament is less than it used no no parliament is less than it used no no Ana Parliament is less than it used to be and People Parliament is less than it used to be and people take a dim view of to be and people take a dim view n n. To be and people take a dim view n n. Nan to be and people take a dim view n n. Nan yoc to be and people take a dim view n n. Nan yoc. N to be and people take a dim view of it. But yes, it still to be and people take a dim view of it. But yes, it still exists. Noc of it. But yes, it still exists. Noc. Nan of it. But yes, it still exists. Yes, but not of it. But yes, it still exists. Yes, but not that much. But non. Yes, but not that much. But non ac. Yes, but not that much. But non ac maoa. Yes, but not that much. But not as much. That. Yes, but not that much. But not as much. That was a pregnant pause. It still exists. Full stop. The wife is watching this stop. The wife is watching this. Idont stop. The wife is watching this. I dont drink anymore. Ive. I dont drink anymore. Ive occapoa. I dont drink anymore. Ive occapon nno i dont drink anymore. Ive escaped the drinking culture. Noam escaped the drinking culture. Noan escaped the drinking culture. Yeah sensible escaped the drinking culture. Yeah thats nigel yeah sensible boy. Thats nigel noncon yeah sensible boy. Thats nigel noncon. Yeah sensible boy. Thats nigel noncon. Oa yeah sensible boy. Thats nigel nelson , our gb yeah sensible boy. Thats nigel nelson , our gb news yeah thats nigel nelson , our gb news senior nelson, our gb news senior ponnncan nelson, our gb news senior political commentator. Thank you political commentator. Thank you voay political commentator. Thank you voay maca political commentator. Thank you copy macn. Noao political commentator. Thank you very much. More to political commentator. Thank you very much. More to politics come nn very much. More to politics come nn naacc very much. More to politics come now. Liz truss, remember her . Smoc now. Liz truss, remember her . Smoc nacn. Now. Liz truss, remember her . Shes back. The now. Liz truss, remember her . Shes back. The Campaign Calling for shes back. The Campaign Calling noa ncm shes back. The Campaign Calling for rishi sunak shes back. The Campaign Calling for rishi sunak to shes back. The Campaign Calling for rishi sunak to scrap inheritance for rishi sunak to scrap inheritance tax. Ms truss joins nan inheritance tax. Ms truss joins man so inheritance tax. Ms truss joins more than 50 tory inheritance tax. Ms truss joins more than 50 tory mps who concnoa more than 50 tory mps who consider the more than 50 tory mps who consider the tax more than 50 tory mps who consider the tax unfair fair nocaaco consider the tax unfair fair nocaaco n consider the tax unfair fair because it punishes people who mayo because it punishes people who navo pan because it punishes people who nayo pan nao because it punishes people who have paid tax on because it punishes people who have paid tax on their income anaoany have paid tax on their income anaoany. Have paid tax on their income anaoany. Nan have paid tax on their income already. But some claim that in already. But some claim that in noopnng already. But some claim that in noopnng nno already. But some claim that in noopnng nno nao already. But some claim that in keeping the tax, more property noam keeping the tax, more property noann mayo keeping the tax, more property would have to keeping the tax, more property would have to be keeping the tax, more property would have to be sold on death to pay would have to be sold on death no pay nno would have to be sold on death no pay nno nao. Would have to be sold on death to pay the tax. Lots would have to be sold on death to pay the tax. Lots of taxes noao to pay the tax. Lots of taxes noao ncmn to pay the tax. Lots of taxes here isnt there . To pay the tax. Lots of taxes here isnt there . Therefore oaang here isnt there . Therefore easing house here isnt there . Therefore easing house prices , inflation easing house prices, inflation and easing house prices, inflation and gnynng easing house prices, inflation and giving people the chance to buy and giving people the chance to naynaa and giving people the chance to buy that otherwise buy property that otherwise noam buy property that otherwise noamon buy property that otherwise wouldon the buy property that otherwise wouldon the market . Would not come on the market . Nnoaoc would not come on the market . Nnoaoclnon would not come on the market . Nnoaoclaon no would not come on the market . Theres lot to unpack on this theres a lot to unpack on this one theres a lot to unpack on this one, so im glad theres a lot to unpack on this one, so im glad ive got two oopoanc one, so im glad ive got two oxpoanc on one, so im glad ive got two experts on joining me now is experts on it. Joining me now is noamoa experts on it. Joining me now is noamoa nanoaa experts on it. Joining me now is former labour adviser writer former labour adviser and writer scaanonn former labour adviser and writer scaanonnana former labour adviser and writer scarlett and director Scarlett Mccgwire and director gonoaan Scarlett Mccgwire and director gonoaan an Scarlett Mccgwire and director gonoaan n no Scarlett Mccgwire and director general at the institute for nconomnc general at the institute for Economic Affairs , mark Economic Affairs, mark littlewood. Economic affairs, mark littlewood. Thank you very much for littlewood. Thank you very much noa ronnnng littlewood. Thank you very much noa ronnnng mo littlewood. Thank you very much for joining me this littlewood. Thank you very much for joining me this afternoon. Noany for joining me this afternoon. Really appreciate it. On a sanaanay really appreciate it. On a saturday afternoon. Now, im going saturday afternoon. Now, im gonnglcomo saturday afternoon. Now, im gonnglcomo no saturday afternoon. Now, im going come to you , scarlett. Going to come to you, scarlett. Nacn going to come to you, scarlett. Nacnann going to come to you, scarlett. Firstall, what going to come to you, scarlett. Firstall, what do going to come to you, scarlett. First all, what do you make first of all, what do you make anoan first of all, what do you make anoan nnn first of all, what do you make about this moral first of all, what do you make about this moral wrong inheritance about this moral wrong inheritance tax . And it should be inheritance tax . And it should no ccaappoa inheritance tax . And it should be scrapped now inheritance tax . And it should be scrapped now. 15 c be scrapped now. I mean, its interesting that nadia zahawi is doing it as a moral thing. I mean, a man who , you know, is mean, a man who, you know, is highly dubious with his tax affairs actually , the thing affairs actually, the thing about inheritance tax is, is it should be. It isnt. It should be a fair tax. Is that the children of the very rich should not be then allowed , should give not be then allowed, should give some money back. Right. Thats what its about. It only affects s 4 of people. Thats 1 in 25 people in britain are affected. Most people, when their parents die, they get all the money. You have to have a house that is worth over half £1 million before your, your your beginning to pay anything at all. And then its only after that that you pay its only after that that you pay that that you pay inheritance tax and what we find inheritance tax and what we find in london where house prices are appalling , is that the people, appalling, is that the people, the young people who can afford to buy taxes have rich parents. Its not that. Its not that they work hard, its that they have rich parents. And actually see the £7 billion that is raised by inheritance tax is absolutely vital to Public Services. Mark bringing you on this one, scarlett just pointed out, i mean, half £1 million. But you know , house prices in but you know, house prices in nonnon but you know, house prices in nonaon ana but you know, house prices in london and the but you know, house prices in london and the south east and mood london and the south east and nnnoon many london and the south east and indeed many cities london and the south east and indeed many cities in the north coanannny indeed many cities in the north now, certainly manchester, momno. Now, certainly manchester, cheshire, places like that, i moanncnn cheshire, places like that, i mean, isnt actually a lot mean, that isnt actually a lot of mean, that isnt actually a lot on poopno mean, that isnt actually a lot on poopno no mean, that isnt actually a lot ofpeople to have. Of money for people to have nnvonon of money for people to have nnvonvon nn of money for people to have involved in property. So is it nan involved in property. So is it nan nnn involved in property. So is it fair that theyve involved in property. So is it fair that theyve already paid tax fair that theyve already paid nao on fair that theyve already paid tax on that . Fair that theyve already paid tax on that . Its fair that theyve already paid tax on that . Its tax after tax on that . Its a tax after a na tax on that . Its a tax after a na anoa tax on that . Its a tax after a na no a tax on that . Its a tax after a tax after a tax, tax on that . Its a tax after a tax after a tax, isnt it . So nnn tax after a tax, isnt it . So nnan no tax after a tax, isnt it . So nnan no yoa tax after a tax, isnt it . So what do you make i mean, should we what do you make i mean, should no cnoana what do you make i mean, should we should inheritance tax be ccaapponn we should inheritance tax be ccaappoann we should inheritance tax be scrapped . I would scrap it. Scrapped . Yeah i would scrap it. Scaanonn scrapped . Yeah i would scrap it. Scarlett makes scrapped . Yeah i would scrap it. Scarlett makes the scrapped . Yeah i would scrap it. Scarlett makes the fair scrapped . Yeah i would scrap it. Scarlett makes the fair point. Not many people pay it, but thats because its relatively easy to avoid. If you want a easy to avoid. If you want a pubuc easy to avoid. If you want a Public Services, you obviously have to raise tax somehow. But those taxes should be simple to understand, easy to collect and difficult to avoid. And inheritance taxes. None of those things you youve got this ridiculous seven year rule. So ridiculous seven year rule. So if you give away money to your children and make them rich, something that scarlett seems to worry about, well, if you do that eight years before you die, theres no tax on it. But if you do it six years before die, do it six years before you die, there is this. This puts families into a really uncomfortable position of trying to judge the date of your own death. So its a pretty grim death. So its a pretty grim tax. It is a sort of double tax, although we do have quite a lot of those. And it seems to me a perfectly honourable thing to do to a egg, whether to build up a nest egg, whether thats in property or elsewhere , for your kids. , to leave behind for your kids. So if were worried people so if were worried about people unfairly benefiting, you know, just being written a big cheque by their rich parents without doing hard graft themselves, doing any hard graft themselves, theres an easy way resolve theres an easy way to resolve that. We should scrap inheritance and instead tax inheritance tax and instead tax people on the capital gain they receive. So rather than having an inheritance tax on the estate of somebody die , youd of somebody when they die, youd look at the money that each person gets. So split person gets. So if you split your £1 million estate ten ways, each those ten people has got each of those ten people has got £100,000 in Capital Gains. And we could treat that through the normal gains tax normal Capital Gains tax process, much fairer, much more efficient, much easier to collect , much harder to game the collect, much harder to game the system. Scarlett, what would you system. Scarlett, what would you say system. Scarlett, what would you cay no system. Scarlett, what would you cay no nan system. Scarlett, what would you cay no nnan n system. Scarlett, what would you cay no nnan n n system. Scarlett, what would you say to that . I think system. Scarlett, what would you say to that 7 i think that say to that . I think that i think thats fine. And i do think thats fine. And i do think thats fine. And i do think that the big problem with inheritance tax is that the people who pay are not the people who pay it are not the very rich, the very rich get out of it. And the people who pay it are people like me, actually, that that that i you know, because i live in london, i have a house thats worth a lot more than 500,000. And my children cannot possibly afford to move in. They will have to sell it. Whereas if i was richer and more canny, i would get out of it. So i do think it needs to be reformed and i think that one of the ways of reforming it is to look at the way mark says that says it can i say that the thing about the seven year rule is its so that you dont go , oh, its so that you dont go, oh, im going to die tomorrow , you im going to die tomorrow, you know, lets leave. Lets lets give all of this to my children and at the moment, you do you can give tax free 6000 a year to your dependents. So i think that we need to look at it. Your dependents. So i think that we need to look at it. Im perfectly happy to look at it and i certainly think that Capital Gains tax should be used as a much more for, as labour says , the people with the says, the people with the broadest shoulders should pay the higher tax. It is broadest shoulders should pay the higher tax. It is a fair point the higher tax. It is a fair ponnn nnoagn the higher tax. It is a fair point though, mark, 15 951 u5,1o< it is a fair point though, mark, isnt it, nnn point though, mark, isnt it, nnan yoa point though, mark, isnt it, that you know, point though, mark, isnt it, that you know, the very rich do get that you know, the very rich do gon away that you know, the very rich do gon away nnn that you know, the very rich do get away with not that you know, the very rich do get away with not paying taxes ana get away with not paying taxes and n get away with not paying taxes and na nc get away with not paying taxes and na nc con get away with not paying taxes and it is sort of get away with not paying taxes and it is sort of like the mncno and it is sort of like the middle classes wherever they even are these middle classes wherever they even are these days that are gonnnng even are these days that are gonnnng caagnn even are these days that are getting caught in this trap. And noao getting caught in this trap. And nnoao aao getting caught in this trap. And there are many getting caught in this trap. And there are many countries that nan there are many countries that nnan mayo there are many countries that that have scrapped inheritance nao that have scrapped inheritance nao. N that have scrapped inheritance nao. Nn that have scrapped inheritance nao. Nn nnnnn that have scrapped inheritance tax. I i think sweden was tax. I think i think sweden was nnn tax. I think i think sweden was nnnn tax. I think i think sweden was one that it recently. One that did it recently. I nnn one that did it recently. I nnnnn n one that did it recently. I think if im one that did it recently. I think if im right, i might be mong think if im right, i might be naong on think if im right, i might be wrong on this, think if im right, i might be wrong on this, particularly wrong on this, but particularly anoa wrong on this, but particularly annoa nnnnn after the tsunami, i think swoaon after the tsunami, i think swedenlot after the tsunami, i think swedenlot of after the tsunami, i think sweden lot of families after the tsunami, i think swedenlot of families out sweden had a lot of families out noao sweden had a lot of families out nnoaoccaappoa there and they scrapped Inheritance Inheritance tax because so many poopno inheritance tax because so many people vulnerable,l people at the most vulnerable, caa people at the most vulnerable, cadnon people at the most vulnerable, sad their lives people at the most vulnerable, sad their lives were sad point of their lives were gonnnng sad point of their lives were getting stomped with tax again. So, getting stomped with tax again. Sonnoao getting stomped with tax again. Connoao aao getting stomped with tax again. So,there are lots getting stomped with tax again. So, there are lots of so, i mean, there are lots of con so, i mean, there are lots of con on so, i mean, there are lots of con n no so, i mean, there are lots of sort of like reasons, you know , sort of like reasons, you know, nc sort of like reasons, you know, nc an sort of like reasons, you know, nc n no sort of like reasons, you know, its at the most sort of like reasons, you know, its at the most sad and vulnerable its at the most sad and vulnerable part of life that poopno vulnerable part of life that poopno no vulnerable part of life that pebble do get vulnerable part of life that people do get stumped with this. Nann people do get stumped with this. Nann nnnc people do get stumped with this. Dawn thats right. People do get stumped with this. Dawn thats right. And people do get stumped with this. Dawn thats right. And thats i think, another case against it. Look, people dont like taxes of any kind. Right . But its a bit different, i would suggest, when youre paying tax out of your income each month, just straight out of your just come straight out of your paycheque is to suddenly paycheque than it is to suddenly be hit by a bill when a loved one dies. I mean, a particularly grim, pernicious and unpleasant way of claiming tax at all. And scarlets quite right. Look, if youre a billionaire , you can youre a billionaire, you can easily find your way around this system. Its not a simple tax and you can game your way out of it. Even in scarlets position, it. Even in scarlets position, im not in a position to give her any tax or financial advice, but could theoretically but she could theoretically transfer her property in london that she says is worth much more than half £1 million into the name children. And then name of her children. And then if she lasts another seven years, pay years, they wont pay inheritance tax on so there inheritance tax on it. So there are sorts ways of getting are all sorts of ways of getting around if you plan enough, around it. If you plan enough, if youve got enough expert legal advice, you think you legal advice, if you think you know enough about the day upon which you are going to die, or you make a prediction about you can make a prediction about it, what an extra ordinary, bizarre rather unkind way of bizarre and rather unkind way of raising money for the government. Weve got a completely overhaul. This. It hits the wrong sort of people. Most people avoid it because they dont inherit much or are rich enough to find a way around it. Get rid of it, simplify the tax system we already have in the United Kingdom , the most the United Kingdom, the most complex system in the world. Complex tax system in the world. Id like it to be simpler and fairer, easier to understand , fairer, easier to understand, add, and make it much harder to game the system and avoid taxes. Weve now got a tax rulebook in the uk , which i think is in the uk, which i think is about 14 times length of war about 14 times the length of war and peace. Absolutely mad , the and peace. Absolutely mad, the word count of it that simplify , word count of it that simplify, reduce, make it far , far easier reduce, make it far, far easier to understand and make sure that taxes are levied on people in an easy to understand, easy to collect way. Not in a terrible moment of grief. Yeah, moment of grief. Yeah, absolutely. Thats 31 yeah, absolutely. Thats a point, scaanonn absolutely. Thats a point, scarlett coming back to you on nnn scarlett coming back to you on nnnc ono scarlett coming back to you on nnnc n scarlett coming back to you on this one. I mean, scarlett coming back to you on this one. I mean, you know, poopno this one. I mean, you know, poopno aaganng this one. I mean, you know, people arguing against inheritance people arguing against inheritance tax, it says it does go aganncn inheritance tax, it says it does go against often inheritance tax, it says it does go against often the wishes of the go against often the wishes of no poon go against often the wishes of the person who go against often the wishes of the person who has just died. So the person who has just died. So at the person who has just died. So n no the person who has just died. So n no an the person who has just died. So n no n no the person who has just died. So at the at the point the person who has just died. So at the at the point where a namny at the at the point where a namny nc at the at the point where a family is vulnerable and they are family is vulnerable and they ganoynng family is vulnerable and they are grieving, then you know, the nncnoc are grieving, then you know, the nncnoc nona are grieving, then you know, the wishes went down are grieving, then you know, the wishes went down the well. But it wishes went down the well. But nn gooc wishes went down the well. But nn gooc aganncn wishes went down the well. But it goes against that. So there a naman it goes against that. So there a namann it goes against that. So there a namann ac it goes against that. So there a humanit as well it goes against that. So there a human it as well. Human aspect to it as well. Non human aspect to it as well. You. Nook. Human aspect to it as well. You. Nook. N human aspect to it as well. Well, look, i mean, human aspect to it as well. Well, look, i mean, most most people dont want to pay most taxes and but but but they do want to benefit from the taxes. I mean, thats whats so difficult in this country is that as we know, what we would like is we want a very low tax system like america , and then we system like america, and then we want all the benefits of a scandinavian tax system, which is which is very high. Now i absolutely agree with mark that what we need is a fair and simple tax system, which is what we havent got. And i do think inheritance tax, if its done properly, is can easily be fair and simple. And i think its and simple. And i think its a perfectly moral tax and i mean, ihave perfectly moral tax and i mean, i have to say, you know, both my parents have died in the last few years and weve dealt we knew there was going to be inheritance right . I mean, inheritance tax right . I mean, there was no question. And then we its we dealt with it. Yeah, its a debate thats going on and on. 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But a recent survey by canada life said that 1 survey by canada life said that a nn survey by canada life said that a nn 5 survey by canada life said that am 5 nanncn survey by canada life said that 1 in 5 british millionaires plan on noaang 1 in 5 british millionaires plan on leaving. Absolutely nothing. So on leaving. Absolutely nothing. So yoo on leaving. Absolutely nothing. So yoo nonn on leaving. Absolutely nothing. So youre both right. Its the non so youre both right. Its the voay acn so youre both right. Its the very rich that so youre both right. Its the very rich that are so youre both right. Its the very rich that are getting away mnn very rich that are getting away nnn nnn very rich that are getting away with this one. Very rich that are getting away with this one. Thats thank you so with this one. Thats thank you co macn with this one. Thats thank you co macn noa with this one. Thats thank you so much forjoining us. Thats ccaanonn so much forjoining us. Thats Scarlett Mccgwire so much forjoining us. Thats Scarlett Mccgwire advisor so much forjoining us. Thats scarwriterccgwire advisor so much forjoining us. Thats scarwriter and ire advisor so much forjoining us. Thats scarwriter and mark advisor so much forjoining us. Thats scarwriter and mark littlewood,1 and writer and mark littlewood, nnocnoa and writer and mark littlewood, director general and writer and mark littlewood, director general institute of ncononncc director general institute of economics. Thank you very much for economics. Thank you very much noaon economics. Thank you very much noaonono. Economics. Thank you very much foronone. But. For joining us on that one. But let for joining us on that one. But nonnnan for joining us on that one. But nonnnan yoa for joining us on that one. But let what you think. What let us know what you think. What do let us know what you think. What nonnnnnn let us know what you think. What nonnnnnn n let us know what you think. What nonnnnnn nnc do you think . I mean, is inheritance do you think . I mean, is. Inheritance do do you think . I mean, is inheritance do the inheritance tax unfair . Do the acn inheritance tax unfair . Do the am gon inheritance tax unfair . Do the am gon away inheritance tax unfair . Do the rich get away with it . Should we ccaap rich get away with it . Should we ccaap nn rich get away with it . Should we ccaap nnn nnn rich get away with it . Should we scrap it . What alternatives are noaon scrap it . What alternatives are nnoaon non scrap it . What alternatives are nnoaon non ac scrap it . What alternatives are there . Let us know at gb news at gb there . Let us know at gb news at no nnonc. There . Let us know at gb news at no nnonc. Nn there . Let us know at gb news at gb views. Gb views there . Let us know at gb news at gb views. Gb views at gb news on n nn gb views. Gb views at gb news. Com or at gb news. On twitter so. Com or at gb news. On twitter so nannng. Com or at gb news. On twitter now. So talking money again. The naoacaay now. So talking money again. The naoacaay nac now. So talking money again. The treasury has been now. So talking money again. The treasury has been told it should nanng treasury has been told it should nanng nn treasury has been told it should nanng nn nnn treasury has been told it should nanng nn non poa treasury has been told it should bring in a6p per mile road tax on onocnanc bring in a6p per mile road tax on electric cars bring in a6p per mile road tax on electric cars introduced to avon on electric cars introduced to avon a on electric cars introduced to avoid a massive on electric cars introduced to avoid a massive black hole in nao avoid a massive black hole in tax revenues. The avoid a massive black hole in tax revenues. The resolution tax revenues. The resolution noannannon tax revenues. The Resolution Foundation has tax revenues. The Resolution Foundation has warned the naoacaay foundation has warned the treasury, treasury it will face a no treasury, treasury it will face a no nnnon treasury, treasury it will face a 10 billion shortfall by the oaany a 10 billion shortfall by the oaany nooo a 10 billion shortfall by the early 2030 unless it introduces naooc early 2030 unless it introduces naxoc on early 2030 unless it introduces taxes on electric early 2030 unless it introduces taxes on electric vehicles. But is taxes on electric vehicles. But nc n taxes on electric vehicles. But nc nn nan taxes on electric vehicles. But nc nn nan on taxes on electric vehicles. But is it fair on the taxes on electric vehicles. But is it fair on the government to acn is it fair on the government to acn ac is it fair on the government to acn ac an is it fair on the government to acn ac an no is it fair on the government to ask us all to move is it fair on the government to ask us all to move to electric, mon ask us all to move to electric, then suddenly ask us all to move to electric, then suddenly bring in a new tax on onocnanc then suddenly bring in a new tax on electric cars . Then suddenly bring in a new tax on electric cars . Doesnt sound oano on electric cars . Doesnt sound gano nan on electric cars . Doesnt sound gano nan no on electric cars . Doesnt sound gano nan no mo on electric cars . Doesnt sound quite fairto me. Now joining me quite fair to me. Now joining me nc quite fair to me. Now joining me nc nanny quite fair to me. Now joining me now is danny kelly, motoring roaanancn now is danny kelly, motoring roamancn no now is danny kelly, motoring journalist to explain whats going journalist to explain whats gonng on journalist to explain whats gonng on ana journalist to explain whats going on and what the government are going on and what the government acnaany going on and what the government are actually planning on this paancanaa are actually planning on this particular tax. Are actually planning on this particular tax. Danny good annoanoon particular tax. Danny good afternoon. Thank you very much for afternoon. Thank you very much noa ronnnng afternoon. Thank you very much noa ronnnng ac afternoon. Thank you very much for joining us. So, afternoon. Thank you very much for joining us. So, danny, what forjoining us. So, danny, what is forjoining us. So, danny, what nc gonng forjoining us. So, danny, what nc gonng onn forjoining us. So, danny, what is going on . What forjoining us. So, danny, what is going on . What is this plan anoan is going on . What is this plan anoan n is going on . What is this plan anoan n n is going on . What is this plan about . It sounds is going on . What is this plan about . It sounds like another about . It sounds like another tax about . It sounds like another nao on about . It sounds like another nax on poopno about . It sounds like another tax on people that are trying to do tax on people that are trying to no non tax on people that are trying to no nnon nn tax on people that are trying to do their bit to tax on people that are trying to do their bit to save the planet. So do their bit to save the planet. So coaay. Do their bit to save the planet. So sorry, danny. Do their bit to save the planet. So sorry, danny. Danny were nanng. So sorry, danny. Danny were having trouble. So sorry, danny. Danny were having trouble hearing you. Novony having trouble hearing you. Novony n having trouble hearing you. Lovely i think having trouble hearing you. Lovely i think were going to mayo lovely i think were going to navo no lovely i think were going to navo no nay lovely i think were going to have to try and lovely i think were going to have to try and come back to you. Nc have to try and come back to you. Nc. Noam. Have to try and come back to you. Nc. Noan nc have to try and come back to you. Its. Yeah, its one have to try and come back to you. Its. Yeah, its one of those nnnngc. Its. Yeah, its one of those nnnngc nnan. Its. Yeah, its one of those things that happens, isnt it . Nan things that happens, isnt it . Nan yoan things that happens, isnt it . On yoan co things that happens, isnt it . But yeah, so. So things that happens, isnt it . But yeah, so. So talking about nnn but yeah, so. So talking about nnnc ono but yeah, so. So talking about this one, this but yeah, so. So talking about this one, this basically is nachany this one, this basically is basically the this one, this basically is basically the government arent manng basically the government arent manng onoagn basically the government arent making enough money despite oncoaaagnng making enough money despite oncoaaagnng yoa making enough money despite encouraging you to all drive onocnanc encouraging you to all drive electric cars. Encouraging you to all drive electric cars. So encouraging you to all drive electric cars. So they are caynng electric cars. So they are caynng nnn electric cars. So they are saying that the £0. 06 per mile cnoann saying that the £0. 06 per mile cnoann no saying that the £0. 06 per mile should be brought in to fund nnn should be brought in to fund nnnc naa should be brought in to fund this tax shortfall that they are naang this tax shortfall that they are naang. This tax shortfall that they are now facing. Now, this tax shortfall that they are now facing. Now, does this sound now facing. Now, does this sound fair now facing. Now, does this sound nan no now facing. Now, does this sound nan no yoa now facing. Now, does this sound nan no yoa nan now facing. Now, does this sound fair to you that youve been oncoaaagoa fair to you that youve been encouraged to fair to you that youve been encouraged to buy electric cars, nnncn encouraged to buy electric cars, nnncn aao encouraged to buy electric cars, nnncn voay encouraged to buy electric cars, which are very expensive if you cann which are very expensive if you cann cnaago which are very expensive if you cant charge them which are very expensive if you cant charge them up in most pnacoc cant charge them up in most places, theres cant charge them up in most places, theres one charging ponnn places, theres one charging ponnn noa places, theres one charging point for hundreds of cars aoana point for hundreds of cars aoana yoa. Point for hundreds of cars around you. Do point for hundreds of cars around you. Do you feel like yoo around you. Do you feel like yoo noon around you. Do you feel like youve been ripped off by this onon youve been ripped off by this n youve been ripped off by this n nana youve been ripped off by this one . I want to youve been ripped off by this one . I want to know what you nnn. One . I want to know what you app, co one . I want to know what you app, co non one . I want to know what you think, so let me one . I want to know what you think, so let me know at gb nooc. Think, so let me know at gb nnonc. Nn think, so let me know at gb nnonc. An nn think, so let me know at gb views. At gb news. Com or tweet at views. At gb news. Com or tweet an nn views. At gb news. Com or tweet a co nonc views. At gb news. Com or tweet a co nnonc ac views. At gb news. Com or tweet at gb views us. So views. At gb news. Com or tweet at gb views us. So we cant, i nnn at gb views us. So we cant, i nnnnn noao at gb views us. So we cant, i think were still at gb views us. So we cant, i think were still trying to get nacn think were still trying to get nacn no think were still trying to get back to danny. Think were still trying to get back to danny. Have we got nannyn back to danny. Have we got nannyn nanny back to danny. Have we got danny . Danny back . Danny are you nnoaon danny . Danny back . Danny are you nnoaon noc danny . Danny back . Danny are you nnoaonnocyoc. Danny . Danny back . Danny are you there . Yes yes. Loud danny . Danny back . Danny are you there . Yes yes. 1a. 55 1 there . Yes yes. Loud and clear. Ihope. I there . Yes yes. Loud and clear. I hope. I hope there . Yes yes. Loud and clear. Nnopo. N nopo yoa there . Yes yes. Loud and clear. I hope. I hope you can there . Yes yes. 1a. 55 1 i hope you can hear me i hope. I hope you can hear me noaa i hope. I hope you can hear me noan ana i hope. I hope you can hear me loud and clear. I hope. I hope you can hear me loud and clear. Where i hope you can hear me loud and clear. 1515111 511 i hope you can hear me loud and clear. � 15y11511a1 51n1 ;n1n. 7 loud and clear. Where are you . On mute. Danny. Thats no, no, no. Your gallery said that they noaa no. Your gallery said that they can hear me just your gallery said that they can hear me just fine. J555; can hear me just fine. Danny nonny can hear me just fine. Danny kelly motoring jealous, right . Youre going to talk us through this . This £0. 06 per mile for this . This £0. 06 per mile for electric vehicles. Whats this electric vehicles. Whats this about . Sounds a bit fishy me about . Sounds a bit fishy to me. Okay, well, it depends on nnncn. Okay, well, it depends on nnncn cno. Okay, well, it depends on which side of okay, well, it depends on which side of the fence youre cnnnng which side of the fence youre cnnnng. Mo which side of the fence youre sitting. The governments amnnnon sitting. The governments ambition to sitting. The governments ambition to get everybody out of nocon ambition to get everybody out of nocon ana ambition to get everybody out of diesel and petrol ambition to get everybody out of diesel and petrol cars by 2030 by diesel and petrol cars by 2030 ny no diesel and petrol cars by 2030 ny diesel and petrol cars by 2030 by new cars. Thats going to noavo by new cars. Thats going to noavo a by new cars. Thats going to leave a massive by new cars. Thats going to leave a massive £10 billion cnoannan leave a massive £10 billion shortfall in leave a massive £10 billion shortfall in the leave a massive £10 billion shortfall in the treasury. So shortfall in the treasury. So yoaocn shortfall in the treasury. So wheres that shortfall in the treasury. So wheres that £10 shortfall in the treasury. So wheres that £10 billion going to wheres that £10 billion going no com wheres that £10 billion going to come from . Wheres that £10 billion going to come from . Well, the fair and aoaconanno to come from . Well, the fair and reasonable argument would be to tax reasonable argument would be to na onnoa reasonable argument would be to na onnoa cac reasonable argument would be to tax other cars on reasonable argument would be to tax other cars on the road that caaaonnny tax other cars on the road that currently arent tax other cars on the road that currently arent paying into the cycnom. Currently arent paying into the cycnom. Now. Currently arent paying into the cycnom. Now. N currently arent paying into the system. Now, if i currently arent paying into the system. Now, if i was to drive to system. Now, if i was to drive no nonn system. Now, if i was to drive no noam nn system. Now, if i was to drive no noam cna system. Now, if i was to drive to down gba car system. Now, if i was to drive to down gb a car from system. Now, if i was to drive to down gba car from my to down gb news in a car from my namncn to down gb news in a car from my warwick address, to down gb news in a car from my warwick address, its to down gb news in a car from my warwick address, its roughly a zoo warwick address, its roughly a 200 mm warwick address, its roughly a 200 mile round warwick address, its roughly a 200 mile round trip. The naoacaay 200 mile round trip. The treasury would benefit from £14 naon treasury would benefit from £14 naon nany treasury would benefit from £14 naon nany pnac treasury would benefit from £14 fuel duty plus the treasury would benefit from £14 fuel duty plus the 20 that that noann fuel duty plus the 20 that that would attract. Fuel duty plus the 20 that that would attract. So fuel duty plus the 20 that that would attract. So around about ocon. Would attract. So around about ocon. Nnn would attract. So around about £6,017. What the would attract. So around about £6,017. What the resolution noannanon £6,017. What the Resolution Foundation are £6,017. What the Resolution Foundation are saying that its onny foundation are saying that its onny nan foundation are saying that its onny nan noa foundation are saying that its only fair for electric car nanoac only fair for electric car drivers to only fair for electric car drivers to now only fair for electric car drivers to now start to actually connannano drivers to now start to actually contribute towards the treasury connoac contribute towards the treasury connoac. Contribute towards the treasury connoac. So contribute towards the treasury coffers. So that contribute towards the treasury coffers. So that would be six coffers. So that would be six per coffers. So that would be six poa mno coffers. So that would be six poa mm. A coffers. So that would be six per mile, a 200 coffers. So that would be six per mile, a 200 mile round trip, ann per mile, a 200 mile round trip, ann nnn per mile, a 200 mile round trip, and that would per mile, a 200 mile round trip, and that would be per mile, a 200 mile round trip, and that would be £12. So nnoyao and that would be £12. So theyre already and that would be £12. So theyre already better off based on my theyre already better off based on my ca theyre already better off based on my nonng theyre already better off based on my car doing 33 miles to the ganon. On my car doing 33 miles to the ganon. So on my car doing 33 miles to the ganon. So n on my car doing 33 miles to the gallon. So i dont on my car doing 33 miles to the gallon. So i dont see a problem nnn gallon. So i dont see a problem nnn nnn. Gallon. So i dont see a problem nnn nnnc. N gallon. So i dont see a problem with this. It then gallon. So i dont see a problem with this. It then asks and begs the with this. It then asks and begs nno gaocnon with this. It then asks and begs the question, is with this. It then asks and begs the question, is there any point naynng nnanl buying electric car . And what monnanon buying electric car . And what motivated you buying electric car . And what motivated you to buying electric car . And what motivated you to buy an electric car motivated you to buy an electric nn motivated you to buy an electric nnnncn motivated you to buy an electric car infirst place . Motivated you to buy an electric car in first place . In your car in the first place . In your paoamnno car in the first place . In your paoamnno n car in the first place . In your preamble . Well, car in the first place . In your preamble . Well, dawn, it i preamble . Well, dawn, it was, i nnn preamble . Well, dawn, it was, i nnnnn n preamble . Well, dawn, it was, i nnnnn nn nac preamble . Well, dawn, it was, i think it was insinuated that ovoay think it was insinuated that every electric think it was insinuated that every electric car owner is nonng every electric car owner is nonnglno every electric car owner is nonnglnonno every electric car owner is doingltothe environment doing it to save the environment. |nonn doing it to save the environment. |nonnnno doing it to save the environment. Idontlike that doing it to save the environment. Idontlike that. I dont see it like that. Noaao. I dont see it like that. Youre right. I dont see it like that. Youre right. Lots of them are nonng youre right. Lots of them are nonnglnoa youre right. Lots of them are doinglfor virtuous youre right. Lots of them are doing for virtuous reasons doing it for virtuous reasons ann doing it for virtuous reasons annnnggoa doing it for virtuous reasons and Bigger Picture. But and for the Bigger Picture. But and for the Bigger Picture. But apoopno and for the Bigger Picture. But apoopno aao and for the Bigger Picture. But a people are doing it a lot of people are doing it because,. Theyve a lot of people are doing it because, theyve got loads of because, a, theyve got loads of noagn because, a, theyve got loads of noagn ann because, a, theyve got loads of noagn ann n because, a, theyve got loads of dough and bcan because, a, theyve got loads of dough and b can around dough and b they can get around nonn dough and b they can get around noon. Dough and b they can get around nonn. Nonn dough and b they can get around town. Dont forget, town cheaper. Dont forget, onocnanc town cheaper. Dont forget, onocnancan town cheaper. Dont forget, electric at moment. Electric cars at the moment. Nonn electric cars at the moment. Nonaany. Electric cars at the moment. Dontany. Well, electric cars at the moment. Dont any. Well, its dont attract any. Well, its canon dont attract any. Well, its called road dont attract any. Well, its called road. Fuel dont attract any. Well, its called road fuel duty. Called road tax fuel duty. Sorry called road tax fuel duty. Sow. Called road tax fuel duty. Coaay. Soaayl called road tax fuel duty. Sorry,. Sorry. Forgive sorry, roadside. Sorry. Forgive mo sorry, roadside. Sorry. Forgive mo. Nnnn sorry, roadside. Sorry. Forgive mo. Nnncn nc sorry, roadside. Sorry. Forgive me. Which is vehicle excise duty me. Which is vehicle excise duty. Nnanc me. Which is vehicle excise duty. Thats changing me. Which is vehicle excise duty. Thats changing in 2025. So at the. Thats changing in 2025. So at no momonn. Thats changing in 2025. So at no momonn. Thats changing in 2025. So at the moment , the. Thats changing in 2025. So at the moment , the humble the moment, the humble monoanch the moment, the humble motorists, the the moment, the humble motorists, the diesel and the ponaonoam motorists, the diesel and the petroleum driving motorist are nanng petroleum driving motorist are nannng no petroleum driving motorist are having to subsidise the electric car having to subsidise the electric nnoa having to subsidise the electric car driver who, having to subsidise the electric car driver who, generally cpoanng car driver who, generally cpoanng. Car driver who, generally speaking , have more money than speaking, have more money than the speaking, have more money than nno ponaon speaking, have more money than nno ponaon oa speaking, have more money than the petrol or diesel speaking, have more money than the petrol or diesel motorists. I the petrol or diesel motorists. N coo the petrol or diesel motorists. N n the petrol or diesel motorists. N nn ac the petrol or diesel motorists. I see it as levelling up really nonn. I see it as levelling up really nonn. N i see it as levelling up really nonn. N nonn i see it as levelling up really dont. I dont really see it as a paonnom dont. I dont really see it as a problem because by the 2030, by a problem because by the 2030, ny nnn a problem because by the 2030, ny nnan nocano a problem because by the 2030, by that decade , a problem because by the 2030, by that decade , £10 billion by that decade, £10 billion cnoannan by that decade, £10 billion shortfall in by that decade, £10 billion shortfall in the by that decade, £10 billion shortfall in the coffers because of shortfall in the coffers because n a shortfall in the coffers because n a nacn shortfall in the coffers because n a nacn on shortfall in the coffers because of a lack of fuel shortfall in the coffers because of a lack of fuel duty, wheres it of a lack of fuel duty, wheres nn gonng of a lack of fuel duty, wheres nn gonng no of a lack of fuel duty, wheres it going to come of a lack of fuel duty, wheres it going to come from . Well, the gonoanmonn it going to come from . Well, the government are it going to come from . Well, the government are going to either nao government are going to either nan. Government are going to either increase tax , which everybody is increase tax, which everybody is going increase tax, which everybody is gonng no increase tax, which everybody is gonng no no increase tax, which everybody is going to be moaning about, paancanaany going to be moaning about, particularly they dont drive particularly if they dont drive an onocnanc particularly if they dont drive an electricor particularly if they dont drive an electric or maybe even an electric car or maybe even nc an electric car or maybe even nc gonng an electric car or maybe even nc gonng no an electric car or maybe even its going to affect other areas of its going to affect other areas on now its going to affect other areas on now no its going to affect other areas of how the government spend nnon of how the government spend nnon cacn of how the government spend nnon cacn. Of how the government spend their cash. So of how the government spend their cash. So im for it. Their cash. So im all for it. Now. Their cash. So im all for it. Nowaao their cash. So im all for it. Now. Are they their cash. So im all for it. Now. Are they going to work now. How are they going to work out now. How are they going to work oan mnoc now. How are they going to work oan mnoc nno now. How are they going to work out miles the electric out how many miles the electric car out how many miles the electric nannoac out how many miles the electric car drivers are going do . Car drivers are going to do . Non well its based on satellite noanonogy well its based on satellite noanonogy. Well its based on satellite technology. So well its based on satellite technology. So the government technology. So the government nnn technology. So the government nnn no technology. So the government will be tracking technology. So the government will be tracking walking every mno will be tracking walking every mno yoa will be tracking walking every mile you drive will be tracking walking every mile you drive in will be tracking walking every mile you drive in your swanky nocna mile you drive in your swanky nocna oa mile you drive in your swanky nocna oa yoaa mile you drive in your swanky tesla or your electric kia or nnanonoa tesla or your electric kia or nnanonoa n tesla or your electric kia or whatever it is. Tesla or your electric kia or whatever it is. And then, of course, there whatever it is. And then, of course, there are whatever it is. And then, of course, there are privacy onn course, there are privacy issues. And believe me, with noanonogy issues. And believe me, with technology, youll be able to chcn technology, youll be able to cnncn on technology, youll be able to switch off your technology, youll be able to switch off your satellite satnav ann switch off your satellite satnav ann nno switch off your satellite satnav and the government wont know now and the government wont know now many and the government wont know how many pounds and the government wont know how many pounds to collect on yoaa how many pounds to collect on yoaa roamoy. How many pounds to collect on yoaaroamoy. So how many pounds to collect on yourjourney. So its all up in no yourjourney. So its all up in no an yourjourney. So its all up in no n yourjourney. So its all up in the air. It really yourjourney. So its all up in the air. It really does polarise ann the air. It really does polarise voices and opinions. And my own ongocnno voices and opinions. And my own onrocnno now voices and opinions. And my own objective view on voices and opinions. And my own objective view on this is that if objective view on this is that nn nno objective view on this is that if the government were to sort of if the government were to sort on nacn if the government were to sort on nacn nonn if the government were to sort of back down from from this oncoccaon of back down from from this obsession with of back down from from this obsession with petrol and diesel cars , new petrol, obsession with petrol and diesel cars , new petrol, diesel cars cars, new petrol, diesel cars nonng cars, new petrol, diesel cars nonng nannon cars, new petrol, diesel cars being banned by cars, new petrol, diesel cars being banned by 2030 and maybe nonoao being banned by 2030 and maybe nonon nno being banned by 2030 and maybe follow the European Union by nooc follow the European Union by nooo. N follow the European Union by 2035, i think follow the European Union by 2035, i think that would be a gaoan 2035, i think that would be a great benefit 2035, i think that would be a great benefit because not ononynony great benefit because not ononynony can great benefit because not everybody can afford one of noco everybody can afford one of these electric everybody can afford one of these electric cars. 5n1; 1n1 these electric cars. Theyre noay these electric cars. Theyre very expensive. Thats danny kelly there, a journalist and broadcaster. And a car dealer. I think at one point. Thank you very much for joining think at one point. Thank you very much forjoining us, danny, explaining going on explaining whats going on there. Lot of people are there. And a lot of people are saying , well, you can afford saying, well, if you can afford an car, you afford an electric car, you can afford to pay six mile, you . To pay six a mile, cant you . And expensive, and they are very expensive, arent . Right. Okay. Arent they . Right. Okay. Meanwhile, watching and meanwhile, youre watching and listening news saturday listening to gb news saturday with me. Dawn neesom. Lots more coming up on the show today. Manchester rivals go head to head later this afternoon. Not long now to go at Wembley Stadium its city stadium on the pitch. Its city versus but the train versus united, but the train strikes might have come out on top against supporters. Were cross to manchester fan zone. All this , all of that after all of this, all of that after this. Even known . And if it is, why is so little done about it. Little done about it. 1 30. Im ray little done about it. 1 30. Im ray addison in little done about it. 1 30. Im ray addison in the newsroon rishi l, 1 30. Im ray addison in the newsroonrishi sunak, 1 30. Im ray addison in the newsroonrishi sunak, has minister, rishi sunak, has onnoaon minister, rishi sunak, has offered his minister, rishi sunak, has offered his condolences to the namnnoc offered his condolences to the namnnoc on offered his condolences to the families of those offered his condolences to the families of those killed in nnnna families of those killed in India Following a train crash nnoao India Following a train crash nnoao an India Following a train crash where at least India Following a train crash where at least 261 people died ann where at least 261 people died ann coo where at least 261 people died ann coo naoo where at least 261 people died and 850 were injured. The death toll and 850 were injured. The death non manoc and 850 were injured. The death non manoc n and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the countrys noannocn toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more man deadliest rail incident in more nnan nao deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has noon than two decades. The army has noon nopnoyon than two decades. The army has been deployed to than two decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the been deployed to help evacuate nno nngaaon been deployed to help evacuate the injured with been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive coaacn the injured with an extensive coaacn ann the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongonng search and rescue operation ongonng. Search and rescue operation ongonng. Ammo search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister narendra ongoing. Prime minister narendra mon ongoing. Prime minister narendra monn nac ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi has visited ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi has visited the site in nnncna modi has visited the site in nnncna. Modi has visited the site in odisha. State modi has visited the site in odisha. State animal rising is odisha. State animal rising is accaang odisha. State animal rising is accusing surrey odisha. State animal rising is accusing Surrey Police of anaang accusing Surrey Police of abusing their accusing Surrey Police of abusing their powers after 19 poopno abusing their powers after 19 poopno waoo abusing their powers after 19 people were arrested over plans to people were arrested over plans no nncaapn people were arrested over plans no nncaapn nno people were arrested over plans to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested at to disrupt the epsom derby. 11 were arrested at addresses in nncnam were arrested at addresses in nncnam ann were arrested at addresses in mitcham and byfleet. Another ongnn mitcham and byfleet. Another ongnn noo mitcham and byfleet. Another eight were stopped in a vehicle in eight were stopped in a vehicle nn nong eight were stopped in a vehicle nn noag. Noam. Eight were stopped in a vehicle in berg, heath. All were anocnon in berg, heath. All were arrested on in berg, heath. All were arrested on suspicion of concpnacy arrested on suspicion of concpnacy no arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance and conspiracy to commit public nuisance and they remain in cacnony nuisance and they remain in cacnony. N nuisance and they remain in custody. It comes after the group custody. It comes after the group threatened to cancel or conoaony group threatened to cancel or conoaony nonay group threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing onom severely delay the horse racing ononn. Severely delay the horse racing ononn. Nan severely delay the horse racing event. Rail passengers have been event. Rail passengers have been oxpononang event. Rail passengers have been experiencing their event. Rail passengers have been experiencing their third day of amo experiencing their third day of major disruption. This week as momnoc major disruption. This week as momnoc on major disruption. This week as members of the major disruption. This week as members of the aslef union go on cnano. Members of the aslef union go on cnano. Noanoac members of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 train companoc strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an ongonng companies have walked out in an ongonng nncpano companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and connnnonc. Ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. The ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. The disruption is annocnnng conditions. The disruption is affecting people planning to annonn affecting people planning to annonn nno affecting people planning to attend the fa affecting people planning to attend the fa cup final at nomnnoy attend the fa cup final at wembley and attend the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Wembley and the epsom derby. Naocnnonn wembley and the epsom derby. President Vladimir Zelenskyy cayc president Vladimir Zelenskyy cayc nnamo president Vladimir Zelenskyy says ukraine is president Vladimir Zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its offensive says ukraine is ready to launch its offensive against russia. Spoanng its offensive against russia. Spoanng no its offensive against russia. Speaking to the its offensive against russia. Speaking to the wall street joanna. Speaking to the wall street aoaanan. Na speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he nononoc journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will succeed in aocapnaanng believes ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied nonnony recapturing russian occupied territory. However, he could not put territory. However, he could not pan a territory. However, he could not pan a nnmo territory. However, he could not put a time scale territory. However, he could not put a time scale on that. Kyiv put a time scale on that. Kyiv paonnoach put a time scale on that. Kyiv previously said put a time scale on that. Kyiv previously said it put a time scale on that. Kyiv previously said it needed more nocnoan previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the western armoured vehicles before no nngnn western armoured vehicles before nno nngnn nacn western armoured vehicles before the fight back could begin. You the fight back could begin. You can the fight back could begin. You gon the fight back could begin. You gon moo the fight back could begin. You can get more on the fight back could begin. You can get more on all of these cnoanoc can get more on all of these cnoanoc ny can get more on all of these stories by visiting our website at cbnnews. Com. Stories by visiting our website at cbnnews. Com. Now lets get cnaangnn at cbnnews. Com. Now lets get cnaangnn nacn at cbnnews. Com. Now lets get straight back to at cbnnews. Com. Now lets get straight back to dawn. Straight back to dawn. Inoncomo straight back to dawn. Iwelcome back straight back to dawn. Welcome back and thank you, ray. Saturday with me. Its gb news saturday with me. Dawn your tv , online dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. Now the fa and on digital radio. Now the fa cup final goes ahead today as 90,000 fans heading to Wembley Stadium , actually probably most stadium, actually probably most of them already there. But this weekends rail strikes will have a major effect on Manchester United and Manchester City supporters travelling from the north to wembley. So much so that many have opted to stay and enjoy the match from fan zones in manchester. Now our reporter sophie reaper , she gets all the sophie reaper, she gets all the lovely jobs, isnt one of those fan zones with a cold pint fan zones with a nice cold pint of beer in the sunshine. Hopefully with the fans celebrating. Sophie. Hi. Celebrating. Hello sophie. Hi. Well, youre not actually in the sunshine. You dont have a cold pint of beer, but i was close. So whats the atmosphere like in manchester . The atmosphere manchester today . The atmosphere is manchester today . The atmosphere nc anconano manchester today . The atmosphere is absolute electric. Manchester today . The atmosphere is absolute electric. Were 31111517 7 the atmosphere is absolute electric. � 15n11n1 1n1 is absolute electric. Were not paanno is absolute electric. Were not outside because just behind this wall there are some huge tv screens where people will be able to watch the match. Were about an hour and a half away from kick off now and the atmosphere and the tension is absolutely building here at this Manchester United fan park where around 3500 united fans will be taking in the game this afternoon with their fingers crossed for a win. Its the first time the club have ever taken on Manchester City in an fa cup final, so the stakes are very, very high. Theres plenty of fans pouring into the fan park now, trying to get a good view of these screens. And one group of people wholl be taking in the match today is the torfaen family. Good afternoon to you guys. Tell me what it means to you to be able to watch Manchester United in an fa cup final. Itsjust Manchester United in an fa cup final. Its just amazing. Manchester united in an fa cup final. Itsjust amazing. And theres never been a Derby Manchester theres never been a Derby Manchester fa theres never been a Derby Manchester fa cup, so hopefully its manchester fa cup, so hopefully nc nno manchester fa cup, so hopefully nc nno nonc manchester fa cup, so hopefully its the reds away manchester fa cup, so hopefully its the reds away today and nc its the reds away today and nc nno its the reds away today and its the first its the reds away today and its the first time its the reds away today and its the first time youve ever nanon its the first time youve ever nanon on its the first time youve ever nanon on ch its the first time youve ever taken on city in its the first time youve ever taken on city in an fa cup nnnan. Taken on city in an fa cup man no taken on city in an fa cup final. Do you taken on city in an fa cup final. Jn1n 115 taken on city in an fa cup final. Do you think you can do it and why . Two one united. I it and why . Two one united. I nnn it and why . Two one united. I nnnnn oaon it and why . Two one united. I think well smash it and why . Two one united. I think well smash it c55 1an15;7 two one united. I think well smash it just c55 1an15;71 two one united. I think well smash it just about noam think well smash it just about noam ann think well smash it just about team and who think well smash it just about team and who do think well smash it just about team and who do you think is 901119 team and who do you think is gonng no team and who do you think is gonng no mano team and who do you think is going to make the difference nonay going to make the difference today casamiro. Going to make the difference today casamiro. 100. Yeah. Let mo today casamiro. 100. Yeah. Let mo acn today casamiro. 100. Yeah. Let mo acn noco today casamiro. 100. Yeah. Let me ask these guys a couple of gaocnonc. Me ask these guys a couple of questions. Whos me ask these guys a couple of questions. � 15115n1n 1 me ask these guys a couple of questions. 1 1 questions. Whos your favourite Manchester United player . Not true. Tell me why. Manchester united player . Not true. Tell me why. Is he just the best . Hes just the best. What score are you predicting or what are you hoping for . 4 to 1. What are you hoping for . 4 to 1. United to one. Well, a lot of people are saying 2 1. I think thats the thats the hopeful one, isnt it . Thats its not its not asking too much. There its not asking too much. There you go. Done it before. We can do it again. What about you, do it again. What about you, darling . What do you think . Today united going to win . Yes. Today united going to win . Yes. Yes. Well i think thats the thats the hope here today for everyone in this fan park that the united are going to be able to do the distance. Theres a 3500 people here. Theres 60,000 fans, both united and city, heading down to wembley. They should be there by now because were not far from kick off. So the atmosphere is sure to be absolutely incredible, both here and down in london. Thats brilliant. Thank and down in london. Thats brilliant. Thank you 55 15 thats brilliant. Thank you very much , brilliant. Thank you very much, sopnno. Brilliant. Thank you very much, sopnno. Nnanc brilliant. Thank you very much, sophie. Thats sophie reaper up in manchester. Sophie. Thats sophie reaper up in manchester. One of those fans nnoao in manchester. One of those fans owns there and in manchester. One of those fans owns there and i in manchester. One of those fans owns there and i just hope onoonony owns there and i just hope ooonony nac owns there and i just hope everyone has a owns there and i just hope everyone has a lovely time and enjoy everyone has a lovely time and onroy n. Everyone has a lovely time and onroy n. Onn everyone has a lovely time and enjoy it. And maybe the best noam enjoy it. And maybe the best noam mn enjoy it. And maybe the best team win. Thats enjoy it. And maybe the best team win. Thats all you can say, team win. Thats all you can cay. Ncmn team win. Thats all you can cay. Ncnn nn team win. Thats all you can say, isnt it . Really right. Cnay. Say, isnt it . Really right. Okay. Noa say, isnt it . Really right. Okay. Youre getting in touch on our okay. Youre getting in touch on oaanoch okay. Youre getting in touch on oaanochnay okay. Youre getting in touch on oaanochnay. Our big topic of the day. Inheritance. Our big topic of the day. Inheritance. Inheritance tax. Inheritance. Inheritance tax. Nncnaan inheritance. Inheritance tax. Nncnaan cayc inheritance. Inheritance tax. Richard says of inheritance. Inheritance tax. Richard says of course, inheritance richard says of course, inheritance tax should be ccaappon inheritance tax should be ccaappon. Inheritance tax should be scrapped. Its inheritance tax should be scrapped. Its an immoral double scrapped. Its an immoral double tax scrapped. Its an immoral double nan on scrapped. Its an immoral double nan on no scrapped. Its an immoral double tax on the working scrapped. Its an immoral double tax on the working classes and not tax on the working classes and non nno tax on the working classes and not the wealthy. Tax on the working classes and not the wealthy. Interesting noaanno not the wealthy. Interesting meanwhile, karen, good afternoon. Meanwhile, karen, good afternoon. Says afternoon. Karen says inheritance afternoon. Karen says inheritance tax was introduced nacon inheritance tax was introduced nacon on inheritance tax was introduced based on assumptions that are nonon based on assumptions that are nonon nano based on assumptions that are nowof date and based on assumptions that are now of date and many are now now out of date and many are now paacanng now out of date and many are now paacanng onnon now out of date and many are now pursuing often risky now out of date and many are now pursuing often risky methods of avonancon pursuing often risky methods of avoidance. Review pursuing often risky methods of avoidance. Review of the avoidance. A review of the nnnoananco avoidance. A review of the inheritance act avoidance. A review of the inheritance act well overdue. Inheritance act is well overdue. It inheritance act is well overdue. Nno inheritance act is well overdue. Nnno nan inheritance act is well overdue. Nnno nan no inheritance act is well overdue. Itbe fair to all. It should be fair to all. Meanwhile it should be fair to all. Meanwhile carol says parents nan meanwhile carol says parents nnan nano meanwhile carol says parents that have worked meanwhile carol says parents that have worked hard all their nnoc that have worked hard all their nnoc ann that have worked hard all their lives and scrimped and saved cnoann lives and scrimped and saved should already lives and scrimped and saved should already have already been nacon should already have already been naoon on should already have already been taxed on their should already have already been taxed on their wages and taxed on nnoy taxed on their wages and taxed on nnoy mngnn taxed on their wages and taxedi on they might have. On any savings they might have. Why on any savings they might have. Nny cnoann on any savings they might have. Why should the on any savings they might have. Why should the government want moon why should the government want moaon nnn why should the government want more . And that,i why should the government wantj more . And that, i more when they die . And that, i nnnn more when they die . And that, i nnnnnlnnan more when they die . And that, i nnnnnlnnan a more when they die . And that, i think,. What a lot more when they die . And that, i think,. What a lot of more when they die . And that, i think, what a lot of people think, is what a lot of people nooc think, is what a lot of people noocn think, is what a lot of people noonnn nc think, is what a lot of people feel,it is. Know,j feel, isnt it . It is. You know, yoo feel, isnt it . It is. You know, yoo yoo feel, isnt it . It is. You know, youre youre being taxed when yoo youre youre being taxed when yoo nao. Youre youre being taxed when yoano nao. Nnyl youve already paid tax. Why cnoann paymgl youve already paid tax. Why| should paying 7 youve already paid tax. Why. Should paying . It should you carry on paying . It is should you carry on paying . It nc non should you carry on paying . It nc non jaca should you carry on paying . It is not just the. Is affecting its not just the capoa is affecting its not just the superbecause is affecting its not just the superbecause. Discussed super rich because we discussed in super rich because we discussed nn oaanoa super rich because we discussed nn oaanoa on super rich because we discussed in earlier on the in our debate earlier on the capoa in our debate earlier on the capoaanay in our debate earlier on the. Superawaythese super rich get away with these nnnngc. Super rich get away with these things. Actually super rich get away with these things. Actually ordinary things. Its actually ordinary poopno things. Its actually ordinary poopno now things. Its actually ordinary people now certainly homeowners are people now certainly homeowners non people now certainly homeowners non nca people now certainly homeowners non iacn nn people now certainly homeowners are not just in london and the coann oacn are not just in london and the south east either. Are not just in london and the south east either. Up in manchester, south east either. Up in manchester, very expensive paopomoc manchester, very expensive paopomoc ap manchester, very Expensive Properties up there. Ordinary poopno properties up there. Ordinary poopno aao properties up there. Ordinary people are caught in people are being caught up in nnc people are being caught up in nnnamam people are being caught up in this. Unfair . People are being caught up in this. Unfair . But people are being caught up in this. Unfair . But keep this. So is it unfair . But keep yoaa this. So is it unfair . But keep yoaacomnng this. So is it unfair . But keep yoaacomnng nn this. So is it unfair . 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Earlier this month, a naturist ann. Earlier this month, a naturist ann noannoa. Earlier this month, a naturist and founder of. Earlier this month, a naturist and founder of naturist uk , and founder of naturist uk, nncnaan and founder of naturist uk, richard collins, and founder of naturist uk, richard collins, was arrested by an on richard collins, was arrested by an on nany richard collins, was arrested by an off duty met richard collins, was arrested by an off duty met Police Officer anoa an off duty met Police Officer annoa na an off duty met Police Officer after mr collins an off duty met Police Officer after mr collins was sat naked on a nocan. After mr collins was sat naked on a local. There after mr collins was sat naked on a local. There you can see on a nocan on a local. There you can see on a nocan paan on a local. There you can see on a local park bench on a local. There you can see on a local park bench when the off nany a local park bench when the off nany onnncoa a local park bench when the off duty officer claimed he was commnnnng duty officer claimed he was committing indecent exposure, he was de arrested committing indecent exposure, he was de arrested did not was a nnnng. Was de arrested did not was a nnnng. Nan was de arrested did not was a mm on n was de arrested did not was a mm on na nc was de arrested did not was a thing. But it is after being nonn thing. But it is after being on no thing. But it is after being told no offences were committed by told no offences were committed ny nocan told no offences were committed by local sussex told no offences were committed by local sussex police. Now im on by local sussex police. Now im on pnoacon by local sussex police. Now im on pnoacon no by local sussex police. Now im very pleased to say by local sussex police. Now im very pleased to say hopefully yoo very pleased to say hopefully yoo gon very pleased to say hopefully yoo gon a very pleased to say hopefully youve got a bit very pleased to say hopefully youve got a bit of a dodgy connection youve got a bit of a dodgy connection here, youve got a bit of a dodgy connection here, richard. Join mo connection here, richard. Join me now. Richard, connection here, richard. Join me now. Richard, are you there . My me now. Richard, are you there . My nonony me now. Richard, are you there . My nonony. Me now. Richard, are you there . My lovely. Hello, me now. Richard, are you there . My lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, my lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, its my lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, nc non my lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, nc non a my lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, its not a great my lovely. Hello, richard. Yes, its not a great connection, but man its not a great connection, but man yoa its not a great connection, but man yoa co its not a great connection, but thank you so much for joining its not a great connection, but thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon. Thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon. Now, can you this afternoon. Now, can you non this afternoon. Now, can you tellbrilliant this afternoon. Now, can you tell brilliant picture if you tell us brilliant picture if you coann tell us brilliant picture if you coann oom tell us brilliant picture if you could zoom out tell us brilliant picture if you could zoom out of your end, that noann could zoom out of your end, that noam. Could zoom out of your end, that noann. Cnay could zoom out of your end, that would. Okay. Can could zoom out of your end, that would. Okay. Can you would be better. Okay. Can you yoa would be better. Okay. Can you yoa non would be better. Okay. Can you can you tell us would be better. Okay. Can you can you tell us briefly what napponon can you tell us briefly what napponon no can you tell us briefly what happened to richard . 11 n15 happened to you, richard . Yes. Nonn happened to you, richard . Yes. Non. N happened to you, richard . Yes. Non. N nac happened to you, richard . Yes. Well, i was sitting happened to you, richard . Yes. Well, i was sitting on happened to you, richard . Yes. Well, i was sitting on the bench as as you can see in the photo and this off duty officer walked by, claimed it was indecent exposure. And i refused to get exposure. And i refused to get dressed. He got the hump and he dressed. He got the hump and he arrested me. So i dialled 999, arrested me. So i dialled 999, called sussex police. They came out basically explained the law to him, which i tried to do , but to him, which i tried to do, but he wasnt listening to me. And said he was sent on his way and as you can read in all the papers that no offences were committed. So, i mean, richard, committed. So, i mean, richard, you often sit on that bench naked. Well, i have done for naked. Well, i have done for oano naked. Well, i have done for gano a naked. Well, i have done for gano a non naked. Well, i have done for quite a few days well, i have done for quite a few days this past month nocaaco quite a few days this past month nocaaco nno quite a few days this past month because the weather has been so conn because the weather has been so conn ann because the weather has been so conn ann nnnny because the weather has been so cold and windy, its because the weather has been so cold and windy, its too cold on no cold and windy, its too cold on no on cold and windy, its too cold on no on no cold and windy, its too cold on the on the beach. Cold and windy, its too cold on the on the beach. 1 5 the on the beach. And this is a really nice sheltered spot overlooking the town. If ive had my camera around , you can had my camera around, you can see a beautiful view of hastings below me. Its lovely. And then youve got the beach, the distance there. Yeah. So its distance there. Yeah. So its absolutely fantastic. What reaction do you normally get from people when youre sitting there naked . Well, im normally noao there naked . Well, im normally noao noa there naked . Well, im normally noao noa an there naked . Well, im normally here for an hour there naked . Well, im normally here for an hour or there naked . Well, im normally here for an hour or two 1n511 7 well, im normally here for an hour or two in the mnnnno here for an hour or two in the mnnnno no here for an hour or two in the middle to the here for an hour or two in the middle to the Late Afternoon and 50 middle to the Late Afternoon and so oa middle to the Late Afternoon and so on noo middle to the Late Afternoon and so on aoo poopno middle to the Late Afternoon and 50 or 100 people might go by and out 50 or100 people might go by and oan on 50 or 100 people might go by and oan on nnn 50 or 100 people might go by and out of that many, 50 or 100 people might go by and out of that many, maybe one, not a nay out of that many, maybe one, not even one a day will out of that many, maybe one, not even one a day will say comonnnng even one a day will say Something Like they think its nnappaopnano Something Like they think its nnappaopnano. Something like they think its inappropriate. Inappropriate. But the vast majority of people are completely accepting , especially completely accepting, especially in hastings. So do you feel like you in hastings. So do you feel like yoa no in hastings. So do you feel like yoa no yoa in hastings. So do you feel like yoa no yoa noon in hastings. So do you feel like you do you feel like 15 535 so do you feel like you do you feel like that nanaanch you do you feel like that naturists are you do you feel like that naturists are discriminated aganncn naturists are discriminated aganncn ann naturists are discriminated against and that we should all nano against and that we should all nano nno against and that we should all have the right against and that we should all have the right to against and that we should all have the right to be naked wherever we have the right to be naked wherever we want, whenever we nam wherever we want, whenever we nann n wherever we want, whenever we nann n on wherever we want, whenever we want . Oh absolutely. 11415 15 want . Oh absolutely. Yeah. I mean, were discriminated against by just a few. Not too many , im pleased to say. Um, many, im pleased to say. Um, most people are very accepting , most people are very accepting, but you get the odd 1 or 2 and some police that dont actually know the law because its not an offence to be naked unless youre like flashing you know, exposure with intent to cause alarm and distress. And the alarm and distress. And the Police College guidelines on nudhy Police College guidelines on nudity do explain that. Just nudity do explain that. Just simply being naked for the purposes of walking, cycling , purposes of walking, cycling, sunbathing, swimming , thats sunbathing, swimming, thats a perfectly lawful activity. So perfectly lawful activity. So i wouldnt necessarily walk naked through a shopping centre. I was just going to say, richard, do you ever wear clothes . Oh, yeah. You ever wear clothes . Oh, yeah. I mean, i was dressed this morning indoors because its actually cold indoors. I come actually cold indoors. I come out and take my clothes off when its so and what advice its warm. So and what advice would you would so people sitting watching us now and listening the radio, listening to us on the radio, youd think be more youd think theyd be more comfortable clothes comfortable without any clothes on. A lot of people tell me they are. I run a naturist group , are. I run a naturist group, naturist uk on facebook and weve got 4700 members worldwide. Um, and yeah, a lot of people are naked at home. A lot of the time, but we dont have the confidence to go out or else its not lawful where they are. Its not lawful where they are. New zealand is similar to the uk where you can go naked anywhere or any beach, but australia, queensland for example , theyve queensland for example, theyve still got a very antiquated law wilful exposure from 1935, which basically prohibits nudity, but people still go naked on some beaches , they get harassed by beaches, they get harassed by police, but then they get they get let off the police really dont want to make a fuss. Okay. Thank you very much for ronnnng okay. Thank you very much for ronnnng ac okay. Thank you very much for joining us, richard. Well have to joining us, richard. Well have no noano joining us, richard. Well have no noano yoa joining us, richard. Well have to leave you now joining us, richard. Well have to leave you now because your comonncno to leave you now because your connection isnt to leave you now because your connection isnt great. Thats nncnaan nnol richard collins, whos the noannoa richard collins, whos the founder uk. Richard collins, whos thei founder uk and founder of naturist uk and a momnoa founder of naturist uk and a. Member naturism. Member of the british naturism. So member of the british naturism. So nnoao member of the british naturism. So nnoao yoa member of the british naturism. So nnoao yoa go. Member of the british naturism. So there you go. Follow nncnaanc so there you go. Follow richards advice and, you know, becomfortable richards advice and, you know, be comfortable sitting be more comfortable sitting nancnnng be more comfortable sitting nancnnng nnn watching us or listening us with no nnnnonnny no clothes on. Evidently onnnoach. No clothes on. Evidently obviously, if no clothes on. Evidently obviously, if at no clothes on. Evidently obviously, ifat wembley obviously, if youre at wembley at obviously, if youre at wembley n no obviously, if youre at wembley at the moment obviously, if youre at wembley at the moment watching the fa cup at the moment watching the fa capann at the moment watching the fa capann ncnon at the moment watching the fa cupand listen to at the moment watching the fa cup and listen to us on cup final and listen to us on no cup final and listen to us on no aanno cup final and listen to us on the radio, probably best keep cup final and listen to us on the rclothesobably best keep cup final and listen to us on the rclothes on. ly best keep cup final and listen to us on the rclothes on. Justest keep cup final and listen to us on the rclothes on. Just sayingp cup final and listen to us on the rclothes on. Just saying , your clothes on. Just saying, agno your clothes on. Just saying,. Pgn, no your clothes on. Just saying, right, we move your clothes on. Just saying, right, we move the right, we move on. The government right, we move on. The government has come under paoccaao naom government has come under pressure from all sides over its annpaonocn pressure from all sides over its anti protest laws. Pressure from all sides over its anti protest laws. Some um, say nnoy anti protest laws. Some um, say nnoy aao anti protest laws. Some um, say nnoy noo anti protest laws. Some um, say they are too draconian , whilst they are too draconian, whilst onnoac they are too draconian, whilst onnoac aagao they are too draconian, whilst others argue they have not given the others argue they have not given nno ponco others argue they have not given the police enough others argue they have not given the police enough direction to cop the police enough direction to stop disruption. The police enough direction to stop disruption. Now the gonommonn stop disruption. Now the government is seeking to toughen nnom government is seeking to toughen nnom ap government is seeking to toughen nnom ap onom government is seeking to toughen them up even further. Our deputy ponnncan them up even further. Our deputy Political Editor them up even further. Our deputy Political Editor tom them up even further. Our deputy Political Editor tom harwood has the Political Editor tom harwood has nno nanocn. Political editor tom harwood has nno nanocn. On Political Editor tom harwood has the latest. Oh my. Political editor tom harwood has the latest. Oh my. Oh this is anconano the latest. Oh my. Oh this is absolute mayhem. 1 absolute mayhem. Absolute mayhem. People absolute mayhem. Absolute mayhem. People are absolute mayhem. 1 people are so close to mayhem. People are so close to nonng mayhem. People are so close to nonng an mayhem. People are so close to nonng mayhem. People are so close to being run over. It mayhem. People are so close to being run over. It is people are so close to being run over. C 1 being run over. It is incredibly this is incredibly dangerous. There is no Police Presence at no there is no Police Presence at no momonn there is no Police Presence at no momonn. There is no Police Presence at the moment, blocking roads, gnaonng the moment, blocking roads, glueing themselves to the floor and glueing themselves to the floor ann nnaonnng glueing themselves to the floor and throwing paint on historic nannnngc and throwing paint on Historic Buildings and and throwing paint on Historic Buildings and works of art. Nonaomo buildings and works of art. Extreme protest buildings and works of art. Extreme protest groups buildings and works of art. Extreme protest groups Like Just Stop Oil have been increasingly disruptive in their methods, highlighting their cause through deliberate causation of chaos and politicians have been attempting to crack down on these groups for some time now. You cant just start a riot or gnao you cant just start a riot or gnao yoaaconn you cant just start a riot or glue yourself to you cant just start a riot or glue yourself to the roads and get glue yourself to the roads and gon anay glue yourself to the roads and gon anay nnn glue yourself to the roads and get away with it glue yourself to the roads and get away with it. Glue yourself to the roads and get away with it. The get away with it. The governments public order act nanon governments public order act nanon no governments public order act nanon no gno governments public order act tried to give the governments public order act tried to give the police new ponoc tried to give the police new ponoc no tried to give the Police New Powers to immediately crack down on paonoch powers to immediately crack down on protests that powers to immediately crack down on protests that cause, quote , on protests that cause, quote, serious disruption to the life of serious disruption to the life n a serious disruption to the life of a community. But the governments plans were watered down by the house of lords. Now down by the house of lords. Now the government wants to overrule the government wants to overrule the lords using a nifty mechanism, sometimes referred to as henry the eighth powers that can change law without the consent of parliament. The lords secondary legislation, Scrutiny Committee has criticised this move , saying the proposed move, saying the proposed changes would quote , lower the changes would quote, lower the threshold for serious disruption, continuing the same changes were rejected by the house of lords when put forward as amendments and the home office has not provided any new arguments as to why they should now be approved. While number now be approved. While number ten feels like it has the publics backing to overrule the unelected house, many in the lords disagree. See, the lords disagree. See, the government wants to make changes to specifically note hindrance to specifically note hindrance to the making of a journey. As an example of disruption. It believes that the current lack of examples of disruption in the act leaves police in an ambiguous position, often standing uselessly as protesters block cars, vans and even ambulances. The changes would allow police to count the Snowball Effect of repeated protests as more serious enables faster police action. But there are those who believe that the act, even in its original form, goes too far and that disruptive protest is a right. But even if it disrupts peoples business and blocks highways, of course we recognise that protests can often be very inconvenient and highly disruptive. But under highly disruptive. But under International Highly disruptive. But under International Law highly disruptive. But under International Law its 15 n31; n but under International Law its important to International Law its important no aaomomno International Law its important to remember that International Law its important to remember that those rights onny to remember that those rights onny no to remember that those rights can only be restricted in very nnmnon can only be restricted in very limited circumstances to prevent nnnngc limited circumstances to prevent nnnngc nno limited circumstances to prevent things like serious limited circumstances to prevent things like serious harm from nanng things like serious harm from nannng pnaco things like serious harm from taking place, yet things like serious harm from taking place, yet the frustrations taking place, yet the frustrations of many in the pannc frustrations of many in the pannc ann frustrations of many in the public and in frustrations of many in the public and in parliament are noaa public and in parliament are con. Public and in parliament are con. Nooc public and in parliament are clear. Does the public and in parliament are clear. 1 public and in parliament are clear. 1 3711. 1� 1. 15 clear. Does the Prime Minister agree with us . The moment those acnnnnch agree with us . The moment those acnnnch nam agree with us . The moment those activists turn on agree with us . The moment those activists turn on the n5ng11;a1; 1571 the moment those activists turn on the road, nnoao activists turn on the road, there should activists turn on the road, there should be immediate turfed off there should be immediate turfed onnaoan there should be immediate turfed onnaoan nno there should be immediate turfed offroad like in there should be immediate turfed off road like in other off the road like in many other coannnoc off the road like in many other countries, has| countries, the government has nnc countries, the government has no noon countries, the government has this week confirmed it will paocc this week confirmed it will paocc anoan this week confirmed it will press ahead with its changes in the press ahead with its changes in no naco press ahead with its changes in the face opposition from the the face of opposition from the noaco the face of opposition from the noacolnoanc the face of opposition from the house. Lords and the face of opposition from the house lords and some civil house of lords and some civil nnonnoc house of lords and some civil nnoanoc house of lords and some Civil Liberties one house of lords and some Civil Liberties one thing. Liberties groups. One thing is for certain passion are high and this is a debate that is not going away. Tom harwood. Gb going away. Tom harwood. Gb news. Thank you, tom. Interesting n thank you, tom. Interesting stuff, isnt it . Acpocnany interesting stuff, isnt it . Especially in interesting stuff, isnt it . Especially in the light of nachany especially in the light of basically the especially in the light of basically the epsom derby. Maybe nanng basically the epsom derby. Maybe naang paonoch basically the epsom derby. Maybe facing protests, maybe protests as facing protests, maybe protests ac an facing protests, maybe protests ac an nomnnoy facing protests, maybe protests as at wembley for the fa cup nnc as at wembley for the fa cup this afternoon as at wembley for the fa cup this afternoon. As at wembley for the fa cup this afternoon. Yeah, something this afternoon. Yeah, something has this afternoon. Yeah, something nac no this afternoon. Yeah, something nac no no this afternoon. Yeah, something has to be done, this afternoon. Yeah, something has to be done, doesnt it . Ogm has to be done, doesnt it . Nngnn. Noa has to be done, doesnt it . Right. You have has to be done, doesnt it . Right. You have been getting in noacn right. You have been getting in noacn on right. You have been getting in noacn on an right. You have been getting in touch on all of right. You have been getting in touch on all of our topics nonay. Touch on all of our topics nonay. Nan touch on all of our topics today, but one touch on all of our topics today, but one of the ones nnanc today, but one of the ones thats really today, but one of the ones thats really got you interested is thats really got you interested nc annman thats really got you interested is animal risings, thats really got you interested is animal risings, opposition to the is animal risings, opposition to no npcom is animal risings, opposition to the epsom derby is animal risings, opposition to the epsom derby really . Good the epsom derby really . Good annoanoon. The epsom derby really . Good afternoon. Ray the epsom derby really . Good afternoon. Ray says our animal nnnng afternoon. Ray says our animal anang aganncn afternoon. Ray says our animal rising against all afternoon. Ray says our animal rising against all horse riding. My rising against all horse riding. Ny nno rising against all horse riding. Ny nno nc rising against all horse riding. Ny nno nc a rising against all horse riding. My wife is a keen rising against all horse riding. My wife is a keen horse rider ann my wife is a keen horse rider ann nonony my wife is a keen horse rider and nobody loves my wife is a keen horse rider and nobody loves her horses more nan and nobody loves her horses more nnan non and nobody loves her horses more nnan non smo and nobody loves her horses more than her. She truly and nobody loves her horses more than her. She truly believes the nococ than her. She truly believes the nococ onroy than her. She truly believes the horses enjoy their than her. She truly believes the horses enjoy their outings. Horses enjoy their outings. Nnanc horses enjoy their outings. Nnanc a horses enjoy their outings. Thats a really horses enjoy their outings. Thats a really interesting ponnn thats a really interesting point because thats a really interesting point because the jockey club anco point because the jockey club anco cay point because the jockey club anco cay nnn. Point because the jockey club also say that, you point because the jockey club also say that, you know , the also say that, you know, the nococ also say that, you know, the horses are the also say that, you know, the horses are the best treated annmanc horses are the best treated animals, probably in this coannny animals, probably in this country. Racehorses and more. Onn country. Racehorses and more. On a country. Racehorses and more. On a non country. Racehorses and more. An a on non country. Racehorses and more. And a very low percentage of nococ and a very low percentage of horses are injured whilst being annon horses are injured whilst being annnon. Horses are injured whilst being ridden , whether horses are injured whilst being ridden , whether it is for just ridden, whether it is for just gonoaan ridden, whether it is for just gonoaan. Con ridden, whether it is for just general, sort of ridden, whether it is for just general, sort of like horse nnnng general, sort of like horse nnnng. Nno general, sort of like horse riding, like your wife does, or in riding, like your wife does, or nn noaco riding, like your wife does, or in horse racing. Riding, like your wife does, or in horse racing. So its an nnnoaoang in horse racing. So its an interesting point, isnt it . Meanwhile, interesting point, isnt it . Meanwhile, robert says animal nang meanwhile, robert says animal nnang aao meanwhile, robert says animal anang non meanwhile, robert says animal rising are not the meanwhile, robert says animal rising are not the nice people noonng rising are not the nice people noonng annoa rising are not the nice people looking after animals. Many annmanc looking after animals. Many animals would looking after animals. Many animals would not exist without naman animals would not exist without human care. Many animals would not exist without human care. Many animals have noon human care. Many animals have noon nomoch human care. Many animals have been domestic sized with pets ann been domestic sized with pets annnoonnng been domestic sized with pets andneeding one been domestic sized with pets and needing one another. And humans needing one another. Ogam and humans needing one another. Ngam cacn and humans needing one another. Ngam cacn an and humans needing one another. Again, such an important point nocaaco yoa again, such an important point because, you know, animal rising is because, you know, animal rising nc con because, you know, animal rising nc coan on because, you know, animal rising is sort ofagainst because, you know, animal rising is sort ofagainst us is sort of like against us aoany is sort of like against us really having is sort of like against us really having much interaction nnn really having much interaction with whatsoever. Really having much interaction with whatsoever. So how with animals whatsoever. So how nmpoanann with animals whatsoever. So how nmpoanannnoa with animals whatsoever. So how importantfor our important are pets for our monnan important are pets for our Mental Health, important are pets for our Mental Health, our welfare . Noannnno Mental Health, our welfare . Meanwhile, says animal meanwhile, kate says animal nnnng meanwhile, kate says animal nnang aao meanwhile, kate says animal rising are not meanwhile, kate says animal rising are not at meanwhile, kate says animal rising are not at all like just snop rising are not at all like just snop on. Rising are not at all Like Just Stop Oil. Their rising are not at all Like Just Stop Oil. Their total aim is to onacano stop oil. Their total aim is to educate people stop oil. 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Now youre a former newspaper man ann youre a former newspaper man ann n youre a former newspaper man ann n nonon youre a former newspaper man ann n noanon on youre a former newspaper man and i worked on newspapers for many. And i worked on newspapers for many. Many and i worked on newspapers for many. Many yoaac and i worked on newspapers for many, many years. What do you many, many years. What do you mano many, many years. What do you mano on many, many years. What do you mano on nanyc many, many years. What do you make of harrys content ensuing nannno make of harrys content ensuing nannno. Make of harrys content ensuing nannno. Nogan make of harrys content ensuing battle , legal battle with the battle, legal battle with the nanncn battle, legal battle with the British Press battle, legal battle with the British Press . Battle, legal battle with the British Press . 1511111 15 British Press . Well, i mean, the whole point of this particular court case is to find out if we can draw a line under it. Court case is to find out if we can draw a line under it. So can draw a line under it. So theres been a been a question about do we have people endlessly coming forward with different claims about phone hacking or whether or not that we now come to the end of it . We put a time limit on it. That is one of the things the judge will decide, and it would be wrong to talk about Ongoing Court case talk about an Ongoing Court case thats thats happening at the at the moment, especially as obviously i was at the mirror dufing obviously i was at the mirror during this period. Yes, you during this period. Yes, you were. Yeah. But i mean , phone were. Yeah. But i mean, phone hacking completely passed me by. I was i learnt about it the same way the British Public did. Yeah. I way the British Public did. Yeah. I mean im a complete noanopnono yeah. I mean im a complete technophobe and, you know, ive noon technophobe and, you know, ive been i newspapers technophobe and, you know, ive been newspapers for long technophobe and, you know, ive been as newspapers for long technophobe and, you know, ive been as well. Papers for long technophobe and, you know, ive been as well. Papeits or long technophobe and, you know, ive been as well. Papeits like,. Ong time as well. And its like, what know time as well. And its like, what know nothing what really what know nothing about what really what know nothing aboutharry what really what know nothing about harry doesnt about it. But harry doesnt really about it. But harry doesnt realty this about it. But harry doesnt really this country really seem to like this country very really seem to like this country very much. Really seem to like this country very much. 0r really seem to like this country very much. Or like really seem to like this country very much. Or like the British Press very much. Or like the british preee. Very much. Or like the british preee. Are very much. Or like the british preee. Are yer very much. Or like the British Press. And yet some of the worst press. And yet some of the worst roubles press. And yet some of the worst rreubree ree press. And yet some of the worst troubles hesis press. And yet some of the worst troubles hes is qatar troubles hes had is the qatar erreprrre troubles hes had is the qatar erreprre er troubles hes had is the qatar strophic or the troubles hes had is the qatar strophic or the near catastrophic car chase through new catastrophic car chase through new yerk catastrophic car chase through new york recently. Yeah. So new york recently. Yeah. So i a mystery new york recently. Yeah. So i mean, a mystery that one, isnt it . Mean, a mystery that one, isnt in veer. Mean, a mystery that one, isnt it. 7 yeah. Weve mean, a mystery that one, isnt it. 7 yeah. Weve been on neweeerepp it. 7 yeah. Weve been on newspapers, you know, between us it. 7 yeah. Weve been on nev sortpers, you know, between us it. 7 yeah. Weve been on nev sortperlike,u know, between us it. 7 yeah. Weve been on nev sortperlike, you ow, between us it. 7 yeah. Weve been on nev sortperlike, you know, tween us for sort of like, you know, rheueeree for sort of like, you know, thousands of for sort of like, you know, thousands of years potentially. Are thousands of years potentially. Are ee thousands of years potentially. And so rew thousands of years potentially. And so how do thousands of years potentially. And so how do you think the prese and so how do you think the preee rear and so how do you think the press treat the and so how do you think the press treat the royals differently press treat the royals differently. 7 i mean, sort of differently . I mean, sort of ure differently. 7 i mean, sort of like you differently. 7 i mean, sort of like, you know, differently. 7 i mean, sort of like, you know, harry differently . I mean, sort of like, you know, harry went there for e like, you know, harry went there for e emer like, you know, harry went there for a quiet life like, you know, harry went there for a quiet life and like, you know, harry went there for a quiet life and yet the prese for a quiet life and yet the press re for a quiet life and yet the press in this for a quiet life and yet the press in this country are more regulated regulated than they are in america regulated than they are in america. Regulated than they are in america. Thats regulated than they are in america. G regulated than they are in america. Thats right. Im america. Thats right. And im not go there for not sure he did go there for a quiet life. Mean, to come quiet life. I mean, then to come out books, out with controversial books, documentaries privacy that documentaries, the privacy that the in the end that if you the that in the end that if you do things like that, you invade your own privacy, as you say, and the press will take an interest. I mean, the royal family are our premier family in this country. It is inevitable the public are going to be interested in all the things that they do. And i appreciate they didnt choose the role they had. They were born into it. But theyre pretty well rewarded for what they did. I was sorry that harry decided to turn his back on royal duties. I think he should carried on doing should have carried on doing them. No, know,i should have carried on doing them. No, know, i back them. No, you know, i back in re them. No, you know, i back in erere them. No, you know, i back in rrereruery them. No, you know, i back in thehelucky enoughi them. No, you know, i back in. Thehelucky enough to the day, he was lucky enough to interview the day, he was lucky enough to intervene the day, he was lucky enough to rererrrere vou the day, he was lucky enough to intervirand you know, i remember times. And you know, i remember her rerrrre times. And you know, i remember her talking about times. And you know, i remember her talking about her boys and she levee her talking about her boys and she loved her her talking about her boys and she loved her boys and she merger she loved her boys and she rheugrrlwee she loved her boys and she thought was lovely thought it was it was lovely the way his way william looked after his unre way william looked after his true wee little brother. And it was really little brother. And it was really heartwarming and, really heartwarming stuff. And, you knew, really heartwarming stuff. And, you knewsee really heartwarming stuff. And, you know,see the you know, you see the relationship you know, you see the relationship deteriorate to this ever relationship deteriorate to this leverere relationship deteriorate to this leverere vou relationship deteriorate to this level and you think, you level now and you think, you knew, level now and you think, you knew, ere level now and you think, you know, she would level now and you think, you know, she would absolutely be herme know, she would absolutely be rerrrg where know, she would absolutely be hating where we know, she would absolutely be hating where we are now. But hating where we are now. But rerrrre hating where we are now. But raringquer hating where we are now. But talkingquiet life. Hating where we are now. But talking quiet life and talking about the quiet life and the talking about the quiet life and re prrreey talking about the quiet life and the privacy issues, i mean , the privacy issues, i mean, harry the privacy issues, i mean, harry and the privacy issues, i mean, harry and meghan, the latest story harry and meghan, the latest erery rere harry and meghan, the latest story this week harry and meghan, the latest story this week was they are going story this week was they are genreemer story this week was they are going quiet from now story this week was they are goingquiet from now on. Going to keep quiet from now on. You going to keep quiet from now on. Roewe going to keep quiet from now on. Youweoprah you know, we had the Oprah Winfrey you know, we had the Oprah Winfreydidnt you know, we had the Oprah Winfrey didnt we . Winfrey interview, didnt we . Seek winfrey interview, didnt we . Beer re winfrey interview, didnt we . Beer re re winfrey interview, didnt we . Back in the day . Winfrey interview, didnt we . Back in the day . Weve had the eoe back in the day . Weve had the eoe perr back in the day . Weve had the eoe pare err back in the day . Weve had the eee perr err pert. Back in the day . Weve had the 606 part six part. I bet you wereree 606 part six part. I bet you watched every 606 part six part. I bet you watched every one, didnt you . Watched every one, didnt you . I watched every one, didnt you . R watched watched every one, didnt you . R watered ere watched every one, didnt you . I watched the first watched every one, didnt you . I watched the first one. I watched every one, didnt you . F � i have i watched the first one. I have to say, i couldnt f � i have to say, i couldnt stomach any merefire. To say, i couldnt stomach any more first. Exactly more after the first. Exactly ane more after the first. Exactly andobviously more after the first. Exactly andobviously had l more after the first. Exactly l andobviously had the and then we obviously had the book. Said theyre going and then we obviously had the bo be said theyre going and then we obviously had the bo be quiet. Said theyre going and then we obviously had the bo be quiet. Syou heyre going and then we obviously had the bo be quiet. Syou believe oing to be quiet. Do you believe them . Believe what them . Well, do i believe what theyre saying about being quiet . Well, certainly its . Well, its certainly its eerrerrry . Well, its certainly its eerrerrry r . Well, its certainly its certainly if you 7 well, its certainly its certainly if you work on experience, certainly if you work on experience, this is actually wru experience, this is actually will be experience, this is actually will be e experience, this is actually will be a triumph of optimism evertrey will be a triumph of optimism over they actually are over it. If they actually are quiet. Over it. If they actually are we r over it. If they actually are eurer. Weer over it. If they actually are quiet. I just hope they are. I reek quiet. I just hope they are. I think rhet quiet. I just hope they are. I think that one quiet. I just hope they are. I think that one of quiet. I just hope they are. I think that one of the things rear think that one of the things that re think that one of the things that the coronation proved was rear that the coronation proved was that eerueuy that the coronation proved was that actually harry could turn up are that actually harry could turn up are rer that actually harry could turn up and not cause that actually harry could turn up and not cause a major fuss. I merger up and not cause a major fuss. I thought ree up and not cause a major fuss. I thought he handled that really weu thought he handled that really well. Thought he handled that really weu. Are thought he handled that really well. And he thought he handled that really well. And he was at the well. And he was there at the coronation well. And he was there at the coronation left well. And he was there at the coronation left immediately errerweree coronation left immediately errerweree. Coronation left immediately afterwards. The coronation left immediately afterwards. The focus wasnt on afterwards. The focus wasnt on erm afterwards. The focus wasnt on himday afterwards. The focus wasnt on himday ee afterwards. The focus wasnt on himday as we afterwards. The focus wasnt on him day as we actually had him that day as we actually had all him that day as we actually had an expeeree. Him that day as we actually had all expected. Brilliant thank you all expected. Brilliant thank you very all expected. Brilliant thank yeu very much. All expected. Brilliant thank you very much, nigel nelson, for talking farage. Well be back talking politics very soon. And remember, building to remember, were building up to a huge gb news. Prince huge week on gb news. Prince harry will be in the high court on monday as he accuses the owner daily mirror of owner of the daily mirror of phone hacking. Just phone hacking. As weve just been discussed, gb news is the best this best place for coverage of this massive story youre watching and to that very gb and listening to that very gb news saturday me. Dawn news saturday with me. Dawn neesom. More neesom. And theres loads more coming afternoon. But coming up this afternoon. But first, lets take a look at what that weathers doing this afternoon. Youre probably afternoon. Youre probably seeing afternoon. Youre probably seeing politicians afternoon. Youre probably seeing politicians. Youre probably seeing politicians. Hes interviewed seeing politicians. Hes interviewed a seeing politicians. Hes interviewed a thousand times, but interviewed a thousand times, be we interviewed a thousand times, be we de interviewed a thousand times, be we do ir interviewed a thousand times, but we do it differently. 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Im dawn neesom and for hour ill be for the next hour ill be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online digital radio. Online and on digital radio. Coming up this hour , a coming up this hour, a government unit worked with social Media Companies to dampen discussion of controversial lockdown policies during the pandemic. Is lockdown policies during the pandemic. Is this a lockdown policies during the pandemic. Is this a necessary pandemic. Is this a necessary infringement of our Civil Liberties or drastic nanny state overreach by the government . Overreach by the government . Housing experts have warned homeowners that they have to move fast to make sure they can secure new fixed rate mortgages after Interest Rates start to rise again. Stay with us to find out how to save your home. And protesters are holding a rally against plans to house 500 migrants on a barge off the dorset coast. The Home Office Said the barge would offer better value for british taxpayers than expensive hotel. Taxpayers than expensive hotel. But the locals understandably arent happy. But first, its the news and headlines with ray addison. Thanks, dawn. Good addison. Thanks, dawn. Good afternoon. Its addison. Thanks, dawn. Good afternoon. Its one minute past afternoon. Its one minute past to afternoon. Its one minute past re eur afternoon. Its one minute past re rep afternoon. Its one minute past re rep erery afternoon. Its one minute past to our top story this its one minute past to our top story this hour. The reme to our top story this hour. The Prime Minister to our top story this hour. The Prime Minister rishi sunak, has offered Prime Minister rishi sunak, has offered rere Prime Minister rishi sunak, has offered his condolences to the families offered his condolences to the families er offered his condolences to the families of those offered his condolences to the families of those killed in redre families of those killed in India Following a train crash where India Following a train crash vvrere er India Following a train crash where at least India Following a train crash where at least 261 people died ere where at least 261 people died and eso where at least 261 people died and see wee where at least 261 people died and 850 were injured. The death toll and 850 were injured. The death we reeves and 850 were injured. The death we make ir and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the and 850 were injured. The death toll makes it the countrys eeeeueer toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more reen deadliest rail incident in more men rvve deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has been than two decades. The army has been depreyee than two decades. The army has been deployed to than two decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the been deployed to help evacuate rrre injured been deployed to help evacuate the injured with been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search the injured with an extensive search are the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Search and rescue operation ergerrg. Rrrme search and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister narendra medi ongoing. Prime minister narendra meer ree ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi has visited ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi has visited the site in oerere modi has visited the site in odisha state modi has visited the site in odisha state Phillip Schofield eeye odisha state Phillip Schofield says he odisha state Phillip Schofield eeye re reare odisha state Phillip Schofield says he fears being spat on in re says he fears being spat on in re erreer says he fears being spat on in the street after says he fears being spat on in the street after it says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed rear the street after it was revealed that red the street after it was revealed that red red the street after it was revealed that hed had an the street after it was revealed that hed had an affair with a rever that hed had an affair with a much younger that hed had an affair with a much younger colleague whilst preserving much younger colleague whilst presenting this much younger colleague whilst presenting this morning in a new rerervrevv presenting this morning in a new rerervrevv vvrrr presenting this morning in a new interview with the presenting this morning in a new interview with the Sun Newspaper , where interview with the Sun Newspaper , where he interview with the Sun Newspaper , where he admitted hes afraid to , where he admitted hes afraid re reeve , where he admitted hes afraid re leave me , where he admitted hes afraid to leave his house , where he admitted hes afraid to leave his house after reergrrre to leave his house after resigningitv to leave his house after resigning itv. He was to leave his house after resigningitv. He was also resigning from itv. He was also dropped resigning from itv. He was also dropped by resigning from itv. He was also dropped by rere resigning from itv. He was also dropped by his talent agency. Schofield dropped by his talent agency. Schofield says dropped by his talent agency. Schofield says hes getting by. Heur schofield says hes getting by. Hour by schofield says hes getting by. Beer by beer schofield says hes getting by. Hour by hour with support from his hour by hour with support from be bebebrere hour by hour with support from his daughters and friends as bone his daughters and friends as bebee beve his daughters and friends as police have detained. Now to brereerere police have detained. Now to brereerere er police have detained. Now to protesters at the police have detained. Now to protesters at the epsom derby aber protesters at the epsom derby errer rbey protesters at the epsom derby after they attempted to run onto the after they attempted to run onto be come after they attempted to run onto rbe b after they attempted to run onto the course. It follows the beer the course. It follows the arrest er the course. It follows the arrest of 19 the course. It follows the arrest of 19 people on suspicion of eerebbre arrest of 19 people on suspicion of eerebbre re arrest of 19 people on suspicion of conspire to commit public nuisance earlier of conspire to commit public nuisance earlier animal rising bee nuisance earlier animal rising bee beer nuisance earlier animal rising had been threatening to cancel or eevereby had been threatening to cancel or severely delay had been threatening to cancel or severely delay the horseracing or severely delay the horseracing event. However it webb horseracing event. However it vverr ebeeb horseracing event. However it vverr ebeeb ee horseracing event. However it went ahead as planned. Theyre went ahead as planned. Theyre eeebebrg went ahead as planned. Theyre accusing surrey went ahead as planned. Theyre accusing Surrey Police of ebbebrg accusing Surrey Police of abusing their accusing Surrey Police of abusing their powers. And well abusing their powers. And well bring abusing their powers. And well brbrg yob abusing their powers. And well brbrg yeb mere abusing their powers. And well bring you more from our reporter at bring you more from our reporter er bbeem bring you more from our reporter er bbeem br bring you more from our reporter er bbeem be be bring you more from our reporter at epsom in the next few minutes. Beb at epsom in the next few minutes. Rail passengers at epsom in the next few minutes. Rail passengers are experiencing their third day of mayer experiencing their third day of major disruption experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as membes major disruption this week as membes er major disruption this week as members of the major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on smbe. Members of the aslef union go on smbe. Workers members of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 train eemempbes strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have strike. Workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an mesme companies have walked out in an emgemg ebsbme companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eembbbems. Ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. Aslef which represents conditions. Aslef which represents 96 of train drivers , mer represents 96 of train drivers , warn that its represents 96 of train drivers , warn that its unlikely any servbees , warn that its unlikely any services will , warn that its unlikely any services will be , warn that its unlikely any services will be running. The bbsmbbem services will be running. The ebsmbrbem rs services will be running. The disruption is affecting people amendme disruption is affecting people attending the disruption is affecting people attending the fa cup final at vvembbey attending the fa cup final at vvembbey emb attending the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Wembley and the epsom derby. Bbeseb wembley and the epsom derby. Bbeseb brbees wembley and the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell wembley and the epsom derby. Diesel prices fell by a record of diesel prices fell by a record or ebmesr diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0. 12 last month. 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Thank you, ray be eevvm thank you, ray and ray. As yeve thank you, ray and ray. As yeve just thank you, ray and ray. As youve just been thank you, ray and ray. As youve just been hearing the headunes youve just been hearing the headlines from breaking news that two protesters have been detained by police at the epsom derby after running onto the course, something they said they wouldnt do to one man managed to jump the fence before being tackled and handcuffed. You can see in that picture there by police race course while police on the race course while the crowd jeered booed. The crowd jeered and booed. Minutes later, a woman attempted to climb the fence but was pulled off to the floor by police. Described the police. Observers described the situation as ludicrous and absolute insanity, while others thanked police for putting a stop to the protest. Right. Joining us now to cover this breaking story is our National Reporter, paul hawkins, who is at the event. Paul can you tell us what exactly is happening . Us what exactly is happening . Yeah well, right now theres a lot of relief. And it has to be lot of relief. And it has to be sere lot of relief. And it has to be sebe, r lot of relief. And it has to be sebe, r mmb lot of relief. And it has to be said, i think the 2c and it has to be said, i think the general beebme said, i think the general feeling will said, i think the general feeling will be that this seebrbby feeling will be that this security operation has been a vbrbbebby security operation has been a virtually 100 security operation has been a virtually 100 success. This race interesting virtually 100 success. 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There were eyes everyvvbere police looked tense. There were eyes everywhere. Police looked tense. There were eyes everywhere. You could see eyes everywhere. You could see the eyes everywhere. You could see bbe bebee eyes everywhere. You could see the police spotters eyes everywhere. You could see the police spotters on the eesb the police spotters on the roofs, police the police spotters on the roofs, police vans making their way roofs, police vans making their way seme roofs, police vans making their way around the roofs, police vans making their way around the track. They were ready way around the track. They were ready ber way around the track. They were ready be my way around the track. They were ready for any sort way around the track. They were ready for any sort of incursion embe ready for any sort of incursion embe bbe ready for any sort of incursion onto the track ready for any sort of incursion onto the track. Ready for any sort of incursion onto the track. And then the onto the track. And then the beb onto the track. And then the race got underway. It got away on race got underway. It got away embbem race got underway. It got away embbem m race got underway. It got away on then in about. Race got underway. It got away on then in about a on time, and then in about a mmbbe on time, and then in about a me mbe on time, and then in about a minute into the on time, and then in about a minute into the race, there was a minute into the race, there was e beb minute into the race, there was e beb eb minute into the race, there was e beb eb beebme minute into the race, there was a lot of booing, a minute into the race, there was a lot of booing, a lot of jeerin9 a lot of booing, a lot of yeerbmeyeb a lot of booing, a lot of jeering. You could see a lot of booing, a lot of jeering. You could see not jeering. And you could see not bee jeering. And you could see not beelmem jeering. And you could see not beelmem bbe jeering. And you could see not toofrom theline, jeering. And you could see not too from the line, a too far from the finish line, a mancivilian too far from the finish line, a man civilian clothes, man wearing civilian clothes, for man wearing civilian clothes, ber vvemb man wearing civilian clothes, ber vvemb eb man wearing civilian clothes, ber vvemb eb e man wearing civilian clothes, for want of a better word, they eemb for want of a better word, they werent wearing for want of a better word, they werent wearing animal rising t sbbrbs werent wearing animal rising t shirts, activist werent wearing animal rising t shirts, activist t werent wearing animal rising t shirts, activist t shirts, just vveemb shirts, activist t shirts, just wearing normal shirts, activist t shirts, just wearing normal casual clothing, mee wearing normal casual clothing, medebb wearing normal casual clothing, triedout onto wearing normal casual clothing, triedout onto the wearing normal casual clothing, tried out onto the track. Tried to run out onto the track. It tried to run out onto the track. Rbebebb tried to run out onto the track. Itaboutseconds. L tried to run out onto the track. I itaboutseconds. He it lasted about five seconds. He ebemb bbs it lasted about five seconds. He ebemb bbs vvey didnt even make his way into the didnt even make his way into bbebbe didnt even make his way into the the track, didnt even make his way into the the track, quickly the middle of the track, quickly vvresbbee wrestled to the ground by the members wrestled to the ground by the marshals, stewards and taken marshals, the stewards and taken away. Marshals, the stewards and taken away. Bbem marshals, the stewards and taken away. Then moments later, a away. And then moments later, a vvememebmb away. And then moments later, a womanclimb the woman tried to climb the rebbme woman tried to climb the railing, tried woman tried to climb the railing, tried to climb the reme railing, tried to climb the fence that railing, tried to climb the fence that surrounds from fence that surrounds us from the msbee fence that surrounds us from the msbeebreeb fence that surrounds us from the msbeebreev , fence that surrounds us from the inside track , and fence that surrounds us from the inside track , and she was inside of the track, and she was bmebbe bbe inside of the track, and she was unable the fence. Inside of the track, and she wasi unable the fence and unable to get over the fence and vvesevve y unable to get over the fence and was away as well. | was quickly taken away as well. So was quickly taken away as well. Seeme was quickly taken away as well. Beeme bese was quickly taken away as well. So one person made it so really, one person made it embe so really, one person made it embe bbe so really, one person made it onto the track. So really, one person made it onto the track. Were there onto the track. They were there a onto the track. They were there eseeemse bb onto the track. They were there a seconds. It didnt a matter of seconds. It didnt bmbeeb a matter of seconds. It didnt bmbeeb em a matter of seconds. It didnt bmbeeb em bbe a matter of seconds. It didnt impact on the race. It didnt eebey impact on the race. It didnt derbyrese impact on the race. It didnt delayrace. It impact on the race. It didnt delay race. It certainly delay the race. It certainly ebemb delay the race. It certainlyi ebemb ame didnt cancel the race. And it bes meb didnt cancel the race. And it hasthat despite. Didnt cancel the race. And it. 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I mean said that this event has been a success. I mean , said that this event has been a success. I mean , there are still success. I mean, there are still emer success. I mean, there are still ebber reces success. I mean, there are still other races happening. Its not bbsb other races happening. Its not me ebebb other races happening. Its not me ebebb bbe other races happening. Its not just about the derby today. Mere just about the derby today. Mere ere just about the derby today. There are. Or just about the derby today. There arelor 5 just about the derby today. There are or 5 other races there are 4 or 5 other races barma there are 4 or 5 other races berma brace. There are 4 or 5 other races taking place. So there are 4 or 5 other races taking place. So theyll still bees taking place. So theyll still bees be taking place. So theyll still bees be my taking place. 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But in terms of the prestige race of day, the prestige race of the day, the berby prestige race of the day, the berby bbeb prestige race of the day, the derby that has prestige race of the day, the derby that has gone off without a derby that has gone off without e bbbeb derby that has gone off without e bbbeb , derby that has gone off without e bbbeb , bbbs derby that has gone off without a hitch , this is derby that has gone off without a hitch , this is when the a hitch, this is when the brebesbers a hitch, this is when the protesters actually ran onto the beer protesters actually ran onto the back. Protesters actually ran onto the back. Serry protesters actually ran onto the back. Serry. Protesters actually ran onto the track. Sorry , dawn, protesters actually ran onto the track. B track. Sorry, dawn, i missed the start of your question. So where were the horses . Start of your question. So where were the horses . Start of your question. So where were the horses . Have they gone past where the protester was or was up to the protester . Was coming up to the protester . Where were they relation where were they in relation when he track . Right. So he ran onto the track . Right. So okay, so, so, so its he ran onto the track . Right. So okay, so, so, so its a 3 f right. So okay, so, so, so its a circular breev. Okay, so, so, so its a circular breev. Rbs okay, so, so, so its a circular track. Its about okay, so, so, so its a circular track. Its about a okay, so, so, so its a circular track. Its about a mile and a mem track. Its about a mile and a beb bera track. Its about a mile and a half long, long. Track. Its about a mile and a half long, long. Not in full circumference, half long, long. 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So you see the stand here, then yeve you see the stand here, then yeve eeb you see the stand here, then yeve eeb bbe you see the stand here, then youve got the track, the inside of youve got the track, the inside ebbreeb youve got the track, the inside oftrack,. Then youve got the track, the inside oftrack,then. Farl of the track, and then the far sbee of the track, and then the far sbee bbe of the track, and then the far sbee bbe beri side over there. Over the far sbee side over there. Over the far sbee rs side over there. Over the far side is where side over there. Over the far side is where the side over there. Over the far side is where the where they sberb. Side is where the where they sberb. Se side is where the where they sberb. Se bbey side is where the where they start. So they got underway and men start. So they got underway and bbem mbsb start. So they got underway and then must have start. 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So horses were nowhere whatsoever , but nowhere near whatsoever, but bbey nowhere near whatsoever, but bbey vvee nowhere near whatsoever, but they were still nowhere near whatsoever, but they were still on nowhere near whatsoever, but they were still on the far side. Bbeye they were still on the far side. Bbeye emby they were still on the far side. Bbeye emby ybsb they were still on the far side. Theyd only just left. So there mere theyd only just left. So there was there was theyd only just left. So there was there was never any chance of was there was never any chance ebbeme was there was never any chance ebbeme mb was there was never any chance ebbeme bbb by was there was never any chance ofbeing hit by a was there was never any chance of being hit by a horse. Of anyone being hit by a horse. They of anyone being hit by a horse. Bbey mee of anyone being hit by a horse. Bbey brbee be of anyone being hit by a horse. They tried to get of anyone being hit by a horse. 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But certainly no Police Officers. But certainly meemy Police Officers. But certainly noany horses Police Officers. But certainly noany horses coming no chance of any horses coming mbe no chance of any horses coming bmbe eembeeb no chance of any horses coming into contact with no chance of any horses coming into contact with protesters into contact with any protesters or members. The into contact with any protesters or members the public because or members of the public because this or members of the public because bbbs rs or members of the public because bbbs bseme or members of the public because this isone because or members of the public because this is one because you this is the one because you mbervbevvee this is the one because you interviewed earlier this is the one because you interviewedearlier and interviewed them earlier on and ms interviewed them earlier on and bbbeme interviewed them earlier on and bbbseme bbme interviewed them earlier on and thisone thingsaid. This is the one thing they said bbey this is the one thing they said. Bbey vvesmb they werent going to do, wasnt be they werent going to do, wasnt be bbeb they werent going to do, wasnt it . Their area they werent going to do, wasnt it . Their area to it . They had their area to protest. Raising protest. Theyre raising awareness animals rights awareness of the animals rights. Doing this and. And surely by doing this and as you said, they werent near the horses, but potentially risking their lives, the horses lives and the lives of spectators. This is actually not helpful for their cause and not helpful for their cause and not helpful for their cause and not helpful for horse racing. Well, helpful for horse racing. Well, to be fair , there were some to be fair, there were some members of animal rising that said that they didnt want to put out the animals, the protesters , the public and the protesters, the public and the horses at risk, and that they werent going to try and interfere with a live race. Now, we dont know. We dont breve now, we dont know. We dont bmevv vvbere now, we dont know. We dont know where those now, we dont know. We dont know where those two people have bem. Vve know where those two people have come from. We know know where those two people have come from. We know that they ebeerby come from. We know that they clearly entered come from. We know that they clearly entered the track and me clearly entered the track and bbeb bbey clearly entered the track and that they were clearly entered the track and that they were taken away. We bevemb that they were taken away. We havent confirmation yet havent had confirmation yet bbeb havent had confirmation yet bbebveere havent had confirmation yet thatwere from havent had confirmation yet that were from animal that they were from animal bbsma that they were from animal bbsme. That they were from animal bbsma. Ame that they were from animal rising. And they were, rising. And even if they were, you rising. And even if they were, yeeery rising. And even if they were, yeeemby bebes rising. And even if they were, youonly takes 1 rising. And even if they were, you only takes 1 or 2 you know, it only takes 1 or 2 beebbe you know, it only takes 1 or 2 beebbe vvbbb you know, it only takes 1 or 2 people within an you know, it only takes 1 or 2 people within an organisation vvbe people within an organisation vvbe eemb people within an organisation who arent following the organisation who arent following the i organisation then who arent following the organisation then to organisation in line to then to go organisation in line to then to 90d organisation in line to then to aeee bbeb organisation in line to then to godo their own organisation in line to then to go do their own thing. Organisation in line to then to go we do their own thing. Organisation in line to then to go we dontio their own thing. Organisation in line to then to go we dont we ieir own thing. Organisation in line to then to go we dont we need nn thing. Organisation in line to then to go we dont we need to thing. Organisation in line to then to go we dont we need to speak to so we dont we need to speak to ambmeb so we dont we need to speak to ambmeb bbsme so we dont we need to speak to animal rising first so we dont we need to speak to animal rising first before we be animal rising first before we can be certain animal rising first before we can be certain about facts. Can be certain about the facts. Bbb can be certain about the facts. Bbbbreve can be certain about the facts. Bbbbrevvbbey can be certain about the facts. But know they didnt but we know that they didnt vveeb but we know that they didnt vveebbe but we know that they didnt. Wanttoduring want anyone to get hurt during bbb want anyone to get hurt during bbbsrbebs want anyone to get hurt during thisthats why want anyone to get hurt during this thats why we this protest. Thats why we bbebebb this protest. Thats why we bbebabb bbey this protest. 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And of to find out about that. And of course, animal to find out about that. And of course, animal rising taking part course, animal rising taking eem eel part in an official protest on bbe part in an official protest on bbesbee part in an official protest on bbesbee. Part in an official protest on theside. And part in an official protest on the side. And once the other side. And once i bmbsbee the other side. And once i finished talking to you, ill go erebme finished talking to you, ill goi erebme eme around and speak to them and bbe around and speak to them and bbebr around and speak to them and bbebr em around and speak to them and findi can find around and speak to them and findi can find out find see if i can find out a bee find see if i can find out a bbbbbe bbb find see if i can find out a little bit more find see if i can find out a little bit more exactly. Paul bevvbms little bit more exactly. Paul hawkins from little bit more exactly. Paul hawkins from the epsom derby, thank you very much for joining us, covering the live breaking story. Will bring any story. And we will bring any more that to you more developments on that to you as happens. Weve just heard as it happens. Weve just heard paul hes now going go paul saying hes now going to go and confirmation and talk to get confirmation whether the actual whether the people on the actual track ready presenting our track were ready presenting our animal rising or whether they indeed were another group or just people that were there. In any case, we dont know. But paul will bring us the details as soon has them. Right as soon as he has them. Right now, labour mp Geraint Davies has administratively has been administratively suspended from the party pending an investigation. Investigation an investigation. Investigation teeth indoor into reports of incredibly serious allegations of completely unacceptable behaviour. Three female mps have said they were warned about mr davies in the first weeks in westminster. Now davies in the first weeks in westminster. Now joining me again in the studio. I cant get rid of you this afternoon is gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. Nigel commentator nigel nelson. Nigel pestminster all we hear is sleaze. It doesnt matter what the party, we just constantly hear sleaze. What is going on . Pestminster is a thing, isnt it . Yes. And it wont go away. Besbbbe e . yes. And it wont go away. Despite parliaments best ebberbs despite parliaments best ebberbs be despite parliaments best ebberbs be by despite parliaments best efforts to try and clear it up. Efforts to try and clear it up. I efforts to try and clear it up. R mmb efforts to try and clear it up. R bbmb e efforts to try and clear it up. I think a lot efforts to try and clear it up. I think a lot of efforts to try and clear it up. I think a lot of it efforts to try and clear it up. 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But its not just yourofwomen now is it . Theres business. But its not just yourof young now is it . Theres business. But its not just yourof young men is it . Theres business. But its not just yourof young men working eres business. But its not just yourof young men working over lots of young men working over there made there who have also made complaints about politicians and behaviour that isnt actually whats the right word isnt isnt quite, you know , isnt quite, you know, acceptable, possibly illegal. Well , yeah, acceptable, possibly illegal. Well, yeah, im just trying to mm well, yeah, im just trying to mm eb well, yeah, im just trying to think of the well, yeah, im just trying to think of the right word. Acceptable. Think of the right word. Acceptable. Yeah think of the right word. rt. Rt. R2; 4,35. No, think of the right word. rt. Rt. R2; 23 no, thats acceptable. Yeah no, thats ebsebbbeby acceptable. Yeah no, thats absolutely right. Acceptable. Yeah no, thats absolutely right. 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So you have to be pretty brave to actually put your head ebeve brave to actually put your head ebeve bbe brave to actually put your head above the parapet. E ll above the parapet. Yeah, itll be vvbebi be interesting to see what develops. Nelson develops. Thats nigel nelson about latest pestminster about the latest pestminster scandal. Thank you, nigel. Now joining me now is a member of reform uk. No, not joining me now. No not joining me now. No now. No not joining me now. No no sorry nigel. I think youre still staying with us. Sorry. Weve had a bit of a mess up there. I think someone were expecting to join us. Isnt joining us. So just going back to pestminster thing now, to the pestminster thing now, this a party thing , this isnt just a party thing, is it . This seems to be across the you have the board. And you have to wonder, hours wonder, obviously, the hours are an very unsocial an issue. Its very unsocial hours. And the drinking culture subsidised by the Great British taxpayer. Yes, i mean that you get subsidised food, though, in basically if you walk into parliament, what you can do is that its like being in a in a small kind of centre parcs complex where theres even got the Swimming Pool tucked away somewhere. But the Swimming Pool tucked away somewhere. But youve got a gym, somewhere. But youve got a gym, yeve somewhere. But youve got a gym, yeve eeb somewhere. But youve got a gym, yeve eeb mbes somewhere. But youve got a gym, youve got things like 2; but youve got a gym, youve got things like that mere youve got things like that there, everything is on hand. Reb there, everything is on hand. You em there, everything is on hand. You 90 there, everything is on hand. Veb 90 be there, everything is on hand. You can go to bars, rest , you can go to bars, rest, bebrembs you can go to bars, rest, taurants cafes, you can go to bars, rest, taurants cafes, all subsidised. Taurants cafes, all subsidised. Veeb. Taurants cafes, all subsidised. Veeb. 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Obviously in the wrong job. Mmb obviously in the wrong job. Bbemvery obviously in the wrong job. Thankvery much, obviously in the wrong job. | thankvery much, nigel. Thank you very much, nigel. Interesting insight to what goes on westminster. Sorry, on in westminster. Sorry, westminster pay for now. Westminster that we pay for now. Keeping on politics. Its been reported that a government unit used social media to prevent the pubuc used social media to prevent the public from having discussions about lockdown policies during the pandemic. Now, many people have said that lockdown significantly reduced the rate of new infections from the coronavirus and the mass vaccination of both young and old save millions of lives. But others would say lockdown kept many isolated and deprived the young of their right to education. An and many also raised awareness of the negative effects of some covid policies on the publics Mental Health and well being. Now you can get and well being. Now you can get lots more on that on this story, on our website. Simply head to cbnnews. Com where youll find the best analysis and opinion , the best analysis and opinion, as well as the latest breaking news. Now joining me more to joining me to discuss this story more is member of reform uk and former mep ben habib and political commentator matthew stedman. Thank you very much for stedman. Thank you very much for joining me, gentlemen. Good of joining me, gentlemen. Good of you to come in. Now, this story is on the front page of the telegraph today. And just telegraph today. And i just wanted to make what did you make of it when you saw this story this morning . Lets start with you, ben. What did you make of it when you saw this story . It when you saw this story . Well, the whole well, you know, the whole. 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Be me of crisis so that people like you, like me, like ben, would meb you, like me, like ben, would meb ebe you, like me, like ben, would meb ebe em you, like me, like ben, would not die on trolleys starving of oxygen not die on trolleys starving of oxygen se. Not die on trolleys starving of oxygen se. Se not die on trolleys starving of oxygen. Rt not die on trolleys starving of oxygen. 2 oxygen. So. So basically me, ben matthew is saying that the government were right to do this because they were looking after us and protecting us. Right to lock down us and protecting us. Right to besb eevvm bs us and protecting us. Right to lock down is what 25 32 2 2g 25 right to lock down is what youre 25 2 2 2g 25 right to lock down is what youre saying. Bebb lock down is what youre saying. Vvebb. Lock down is what youre saying. Vvebb. Meee. Lock down is what youre saying. Vvebb. Lock down is what youre saying. Well, i mean, i disagree. That bebbems well, i mean, i disagree. 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I think people should have been told vvbeb people should have been told vvbeb bbe people should have been told what the risks people should have been told what the risks of people should have been told what the risks of the virus were eme what the risks of the virus were me bbem what the risks of the virus were me bbem bbey what the risks of the virus were and then they should have been embbbbee and then they should have been embbbbee be and then they should have been entitled to make and then they should have been entitled to make their own eeebsbems entitled to make their own decisions on entitled to make their own decisions on how they live their bbves. Decisions on how they live their bbves. Bbeb decisions on how they live their lives. That seems decisions on how they live their lives. That seems to decisions on how they live their lives. That seems to me to have been sort two reasons to be been sort of two reasons to be against lockdown. One is on ideological grounds, which is, you could argue , a reasonable you could argue, a reasonable reason for being against them. You think that they shouldnt be such a collectivisation that collectivisation shouldnt be forced upon us and it wouldnt shouldnt have been for the state to take our liberties away in order to protect the vulnerable. Correct. And vulnerable. Correct. And i happen to disagree with that, although broadly speaking , happen to disagree with that, although broadly speaking, i am although broadly speaking, i am a and i dont like a libertarian and i dont like authority and will out authority and i will speak out against authority whenever authority feel is overweening, authority i feel is overweening, i hold this government to account. I would argue fearlessly. Ive suffered as fearlessly. Ive suffered as a consequence, professionally , consequence, professionally, arguably for holding the conservative to conservative government to account. The reason to account. The other reason to oppose lockdowns is a utilitarian one. The idea that actually lockdowns in the end might cause more harm, might, might cause more harm, might, might indirectly be responsible for more deaths than they saved. We dont know. I dont think i certainly cant tell you as a journalist at this point whether or not thats the case. That is one of the things i would like this Public Inquiry look at. This Public Inquiry to look at. Do we think, looking that do we think, looking back, that those lockdowns saved more lives than in the end they may have cost by the strain that is now on the nhs waiting list . One final thing, and that is back in february 20th 2020, let us remember we didnt have the benefit of hindsight. All we knew at that point was that a deadly virus was sweeping first through china and then through europe and was killing very large numbers of people in italy and quite understandably, the government was terrified. And government was terrified. And the governments primary responsibility is to keep us safe, both from foreign threats and also from disease and thats what it was trying to do. But whether it got it right or not, i dont know. I think, you know, i dont know. I think, you know, i want reiterate, we did i just want to reiterate, we did know was elderly and i just want to reiterate, we did knovulnerableas elderly and i just want to reiterate, we did knovulnerable that elderly and i just want to reiterate, we did kno vulnerable that were. Rly and i just want to reiterate, we did kno vulnerable that were. Butind the vulnerable that were. But theyre saving, ben, theyre worth saving, ben, arent the and arent they . The elderly . And they its up them if they are. But its up to them if they are. But its up to them if they be saved, they can they wish to be saved, they can self isolate. They can stay at beme be self isolate. They can stay atj home tolit home. There are ways to do it. I breve home. There are ways to do it. 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Take the risk, but she had to sell. Problemlot| take the risk, but she had to. Sell. Problemlot of sell. The problem was a lot of ebeerby emy sell. The problem was a lot of elderly any support elderly away from any support bem elderly away from any support from be elderly away from any support from her family. Elderly away from any support from her family. r2; from her family. Sorry, were running out of time. Just just a one quick answer here. Do one word. Quick answer here. Do you think the government went one word. Quick answer here. Do you farnk the government went one word. Quick answer here. Do you far during government went one word. Quick answer here. Do you far during theernment went one word. Quick answer here. Do you far during the pandemicent one word. Quick answer here. Do you far during the pandemic with too far during the pandemic with how much they monitored social media . Matthew, just one word. No no, absolutely. Yes. No no, absolutely. Yes. Interesting. So thank you very much. So that is ben habib, former brexit party mep. Thank you. And matthew arade dam, political commentator. Thank you very much for joining political commentator. Thank you very much forjoining me political commentator. Thank you very much for joining me today. Really appreciate it. You are watching and listening to gb news saturday with dawn neesom and lots more coming up. Kick off is under half an hour away. Shes checking her watch at the fa cup final. Both manchester sides will be fielding teams of 11, will they on 11, but will they be joined on the by pesky eco the pitch by pesky eco activists . Live at activists . Well be live at wembley. But first, lets take a look at what the weathers like at wembley and you at wembley and where you are right. Hello there. Im greg right now. Hello there. Im greg bevvbbrsb right now. Hello there. Im greg bevvbbrsb eme g hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to 2 2. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your bebesb dewhurst and welcome to your bebesb ob dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Msb. Latest gb news Weather Forecast. Rbsb. Vveve latest gb news Weather Forecast. First, weve got latest gb news Weather Forecast. First, weve got fine. First, weve got a fine evemme. First, weve got a fine eveningcome. First, weve got a fine evening come. It does turn evening to come. It does turn bebbe evening to come. It does turn quiteovernight, evening to come. It does turn quite overnight, then quite chilly overnight, but then for quite chilly overnight, but then ferbb quite chilly overnight, but then ferbbbe quite chilly overnight, but then foritbe another for most it will be another semy for most it will be another semy eey for most it will be another semy eey em for most it will be another sunny day on sunday. So its beebme sunny day on sunday. So its beebme eb sunny day on sunday. So its looking at the sunny day on sunday. So its looking at the Bigger Picture eme looking at the Bigger Picture me high looking at the Bigger Picture and High Pressure sits firmly in bbese and High Pressure sits firmly in obese bsb and High Pressure sits firmly in obese besb be and High Pressure sits firmly in place just to the and High Pressure sits firmly in place just to the north of the w. Place just to the north of the bb. Beebma place just to the north of the bb. Beebma bb place just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry and settled, bbebeb uk, keeping it dry and settled, bbebeb bbe uk, keeping it dry and settled, though the positioning still means weve though the positioning still means weve got a north easterly beee means weve got a north easterly breee ber means weve got a north easterly breee ber seme means weve got a north easterly breeze for some northern and esemeb breeze for some northern and eastern coasts breeze for some northern and eastern coasts continuing to sbey eastern coasts continuing to sbey ebbbby eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and quite cloudy at bbmes stay chilly and quite cloudy at bbmes eve stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the next few days. Bbme times over the next few days. Bbme eme times over the next few days. Bbme eme be times over the next few days. Fine end to the times over the next few days. Fine end to the day. Some fine end to the day. Some semsbme fine end to the day. Some sunshine before fine end to the day. Some sunshine before dusk and then evembebb sunshine before dusk and then overnight will sunshine before dusk and then overnight will generally stay dry overnight will generally stay by vvbbb overnight will generally stay dry with clear overnight will generally stay dry with clear spells, though. Bebbe dry with clear spells, though. Bebbee bbe dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud thickening across north east scotland, down esemeb across north east scotland, down esemeb berbs across north east scotland, down esemeb berbs eb across north east scotland, down eastern parts of england, besbme eastern parts of england, besbma mbe eastern parts of england, pushing into Central England beber pushing into Central England beber em pushing into Central England beber or m pushing into Central England later on in the pushing into Central England later on in the night. Temperatures generally dipping into single temperatures generally dipping into single figures. 1 or 2 sbebs into single figures. 1 or 2 sbebs eesbe into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be on the chilly sbee spots could be on the chilly sbee be spots could be on the chilly side to start spots could be on the chilly side to start sunday morning. Rbemby side to start sunday morning. Rbemby eb side to start sunday morning. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe besb plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe vvesb. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further east, we do beve in the west. Further east, we do beve bbeb in the west. Further east, we do beve bbeb beve in the west. Further east, we do have that low cloud. First bbme have that low cloud. First thing,should have that low cloud. First thing, should lift and thing, but it should lift and beer thing, but it should lift and breeb eme thing, but it should lift and break and push thing, but it should lift and break and push back towards the eeesbs break and push back towards the eeesbs. Break and push back towards the coasts. Eastern break and push back towards the coasts. Easternof coasts. Eastern coast of seebbeme. Coasts. Eastern coast of scotland,scotland and scotland, northern scotland and esemeb scotland, northern scotland and Eastern England scotland, northern scotland and Eastern England will see ebebeber Eastern England will see cloudier skies Eastern England will see cloudier skies through sunday. At cloudier skies through sunday. Ab bbmes cloudier skies through sunday. Ab bbmes. Cloudier skies through sunday. At times , but cloudier skies through sunday. At times , but im cloudier skies through sunday. At times , but im hopeful at times, but im hopeful merebb at times, but im hopeful therell be at times, but im hopeful therell be some brighter breaks. Rbee therell be some brighter breaks. Here, temperatures 13,. Chilly here, temperatures 13, 14. Chilly here, temperatures 13, rbbbb. Chilly here, temperatures 13, 14but inland. Chilly here, temperatures 13, 14but inland in. Chilly here, temperatures 13, 14 but inland in that 14 degrees. But inland in that smsmeb 14 degrees. But inland in that sunshine, temperatures rising bevv sunshine, temperatures rising bebbe sunshine, temperatures rising bevv be bessbbby sunshine, temperatures rising low to possibly mid 20s in the besb low to possibly mid 20s in the besb eb low to possibly mid 20s in the besb eb bbe low to possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine , uv levels best of the sunshine, uv levels high best of the sunshine, uv levels remain high to best of the sunshine, uv levels remain high to very high into the remain high to very high into bbe evemme remain high to very high into the evening time. And overnight, we the evening time. And overnight, vve bbeb the evening time. And overnight, we see that low the evening time. And overnight, we see that low cloud start to bebbe we see that low cloud start to rebrbm ebb we see that low cloud start to return off the we see that low cloud start to return off the north sea once bbbs return off the north sea once more, this time return off the north sea once more, this time thicker and bessbbby more, this time thicker and possibly expanding further south and westwards possibly expanding further south and westwards as possibly expanding further south and westwards as we move through the and westwards as we move through bbe mbem and westwards as we move through the night, clearer and westwards as we move through the night, clearer skies in the vvesb. The night, clearer skies in the vvesb. Bbb the night, clearer skies in the west. But even the night, clearer skies in the west. But even under the cloud, bemberebbres west. But even under the cloud, temperatures dipping into single babes. Temperatures dipping into single babes. Oe temperatures dipping into single babes. Se bb temperatures dipping into single figures. So it means a bit of a vvesbbe figures. So it means a bit of a vvesbbe sbbbb figures. So it means a bit of a westie split to figures. So it means a bit of a westie split to start the new working westie split to start the new vverbma vveeb westie split to start the new working week sunshine across vvesemb working week sunshine across vvesemb berbs working week sunshine across vvesemb berbs eb working week sunshine across western parts of the uk. Cloudy western parts of the uk. Cloudy in western parts of the uk. Cloudy m bbe western parts of the uk. Cloudy m bbe eesb western parts of the uk. Cloudy in the east and western parts of the uk. Cloudy in the east and then just like we besb in the east and then just like we saw last week in the east and then just like we saw last week , this cloud we saw last week, this cloud vvbbb we saw last week, this cloud vvbbb bebe we saw last week, this cloud will take its we saw last week, this cloud will take its time we saw last week, this cloud will take its time to burn back bbrebeb will take its time to burn back bbrebab bbe will take its time to burn back through the day. Will take its time to burn back through the day. But eventually will through the day. But eventually vvbbb be. Through the day. But eventually will do, allowing through the day. But eventually will do, allowing some sunny sbebbs will do, allowing some sunny sbebbs eve will do, allowing some sunny spells over the will do, allowing some sunny spells over the next few days. It spells over the next few days. Bb emems spells over the next few days. It remains very spells over the next few days. It remains very similar. Further smsbme it remains very similar. Further sunshine temperatures in the 20s listening to gb news radio. Its 231. Im ray addison in listening to gb news radio. Its 231. Im ray atop on in listening to gb news radio. Its 231. Im ray atop story the newsroom. And our top story. Bbe the newsroom. And our top story. Bbe bbme the newsroom. And our top story , the Prime Minister, rishi someb , the Prime Minister, rishi bomb ms sunak, has offered his condolences sunak, has offered his condolences to the families of bbese condolences to the families of bbesem condolences to the families of thosein india condolences to the families of those in India Following those killed in India Following a those killed in India Following ebem those killed in India Following a train crash those killed in India Following a train crash where at least 288 beebbe a train crash where at least 288 beebbe bee a train crash where at least 288 beebbe ebee eme a train crash where at least 288 people died and 850 were mbee. People died and 850 were mbee. Ame people died and 850 were injured. And the death toll mebes injured. And the death toll mebes bb injured. And the death toll makes it the injured. And the death toll makes it the countrys deadliest rail makes it the countrys deadliest rebb mebeemb makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in makes it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more than two eeeeees. Rail incident in more than two eeeeees. Bbe rail incident in more than two decades. The army has been eebbeyee decades. The army has been eebbeyee be decades. The army has been deployed to help evacuate the mbee deployed to help evacuate the breed vvbbb deployed to help evacuate the injured with an deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing. Bbme and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister and rescue operation ongoing. Prime minister Narendra Modi has vbsbbee Prime MinisterNarendra Modi has vbsbbee bbe Prime MinisterNarendra Modi has visited the site Prime MinisterNarendra Modi has visited the site in Prime MinisterNarendra Modi has visited the site in odisha state bebbe visited the site in odisha state bebbee beve visited the site in Odisha State Police have detained two brebesbers police have detained two protesters at police have detained two protesters at the epsom derby ebber protesters at the epsom derby ebber bbey protesters at the epsom derby after they attempted to run onto the after they attempted to run onto bbe eebrse after they attempted to run onto bbe bb after they attempted to run onto the course. It follows the emesb the course. It follows the emesb eb the course. It follows the arrest of 19 the course. It follows the arrest of 19 people on suspicion of arrest of 19 people on suspicion er eemsbbeey arrest of 19 people on suspicion er eemsbbeey be arrest of 19 people on suspicion of conspiracy to commit public nuisance earlier of conspiracy to commit public nuisance earlier animal rising bbreebemee nuisance earlier animal rising threatened to nuisance earlier animal rising threatened to cancel or severely eebey threatened to cancel or severely eebey bbe threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event. Beeve bb delay the horse racing event. However, it went delay the horse racing event. However, it went ahead as planned however, it went ahead as planned. Theyre accusing surrey bebbe planned. Theyre accusing surrey bebbee eb planned. Theyre accusing Surrey Police of abusing planned. Theyre accusing Surrey Police of abusing their powers. Police of abusing their powers. Bebb police of abusing their powers. Rail Passengers Police of abusing their powers. Rail passengers are experiencing bbeb rail passengers are experiencing bbeb mbe rail passengers are experiencing their third day rail passengers are experiencing their third day of rail passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption. Their third day of major disruption. This week as members of disruption. This week as members eb bbe disruption. This week as members of bbe asbbb disruption. This week as members of the aslef union disruption. This week as members of the aslef union go on strike. Vverbers of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 of the aslef union go on strike. Workers across 15 train eemembes workers across 15 Train Companies have walked out in an enema companies have walked out in an emaema ebseme companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eemebbbems. Ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. The ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. The disruption has been conditions. The disruption has been affecting conditions. The disruption has been affecting people planning to been affecting people planning be ebbeme been affecting people planning to attend the been affecting people planning to attend the fa been affecting people planning to attend the fa cup final at vvembbey to attend the fa cup final at vvembbey eme to attend the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby. Wembley and the epsom derby. Rresbeemb wembley and the epsom derby. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy seys president Volodymyr Zelenskyy seys bbreme president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says ukraine is president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter offensive against bbssbe its counter offensive against bbssbe. Its counter offensive against russia. Speaking to the wall russia. Speaking to the wall sbreeb russia. Speaking to the wall street journal, russia. 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Welcome back lets get back to dawn. L welcome back to lets get back to dawn. Welcome back to gb news saturday with neesom saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. The fa cup goes ahead radio. Now the fa cup goes ahead today. Not long now as 90,000 fans are probably in wembley already. But this weekends rail already. But this weekends rail strikes have had a major effect on Manchester United and Manchester City supporters travelling down from the north of england. Our reporterjack of england. Our reporter jack carson is at wembley now and has travelled around with the fans today. So it must be quite exhausted. Lets have a look. Exhausted. Lets have a look. Yeah, hello. Im here at wembley yeah, hello. Im here at wembley sbsbem yeah, hello. Im here at wembley sbeebbm. Reb yeah, hello. Im here at Wembley Stadium. You can yeah, hello. Im here at Wembley Stadium. You can see 24232 im here at Wembley Stadium. You can see you membbemee stadium. 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But anything can bebbem m e cub going to win . But anything can happen in a cup final, q 2 q 27 but anything can happen in a cup final, cant q 2 q 27 but anything can happen in a cup final, cant it . So happen in a cup final, cant it . Seeressee happen in a cup final, cant it . Seeressee. Happen in a cup final, cant it . Socrossed , whats happen in a cup final, cant it . So crossed , whats it so fingers crossed, whats it feeb so fingers crossed, whats it beebbe so fingers crossed, whats it beebbe be so fingers crossed, whats it feelto be. To so fingers crossed, whats it feelto belto be so fingers crossed, whats it feel to be to be a city feel like to be a to be a city bem feel like to be a to be a city bem eb feel like to be a to be a city bem eb bbe feel like to be a to be a city fan at the minute . . 2;. Qe fan at the minute . Absolutely amazing, fan at the minute . . 2;. Qe q absolutely amazing, mate. Absolutely emezme. Amazing, mate. Absolutely amazing. And amazing, mate. Absolutely amazing. And how are your nerves . All right at amazing. 2 3 2; 7 all right at the amazing. And how are your nerves . All right at the minute. Webb. Nerves . All right at the minute. Vvebb. Mbebb nerves . All right at the minute. Vvebb mbabb eeb nerves . All right at the minute. Well, might get a bit different come kick off. But when youre in come kick off. But when youre m eerby. Come kick off. But when youre m eerby. Rem. Come kick off. But when youre in derby. Yeah, derby come kick off. But when youre in derby. Yeah, derby matches are always a bit of a nightmare. But fingers crossed. Well of but fingers crossed. Well of going but fingers crossed. Well of course, going into a game like bbbs course, going into a game like bbbs ebse course, going into a game like this also means course, going into a game like this also means a course, going into a game like this also means a huge security eberebbem this also means a huge security eberebbem m this also means a huge security eberebbem m es this also means a huge security operation in as well. Cj� 2 2 . Operation in as well. Of course, vvbbb operation in as well. Of course, vvbbb bbe operation in as well. Of course, with the fans not able to get those trains today , it meant it those trains today, it meant it means a lot of them are to come down on coaches or down the motorway as well. It was certainly quite when got certainly quite busy when we got into little earlier into london a little bit earlier on those fans. Over on with some of those fans. Over a metropolitan police a thousand metropolitan Police Officers , as as officers, as well as some officers, as well as some officers from manchester officers from Greater Manchester police making police are here making sure everyone goes into wembley nice and been lovely and happy. Its been a lovely atmosphere so today. Been a atmosphere so far today. Been a friendly banter between the two sides. From, of sides. Wed expect that from, of course, well. Course, massive rivals as well. Some chanting going on kick off. Not away. And both sides not too far away. And both sides are putting very strong are putting out very strong sides well for manchester are putting out very strong sidesthe well for manchester are putting out very strong sidesthe likesfor manchester are putting out very strong sidesthe likes of manchester are putting out very strong sidesthe likes of erlingbester city, the likes of erling haaland, whose broken goalscoring this season, goalscoring records this season, the Jack Grealish kevin the likes of Jack Grealish kevin de bruyne, in their starting de bruyne, all in their starting line. And manchester line up. And Manchester United fans, looking to the fans, of course, looking to the likes rashford , bruno likes of marcus rashford, Bruno Fernandes some inspiration fernandes for some inspiration today as they hope win today as they hope to win a domestic double. But its a wembley f. A cup final. Its a derby game. You cannot predict this one, jack , one question for this one, jack, one question for you. Youve worked incredibly bere you. Youve worked incredibly bere bebey you. Youve worked incredibly hard today. Youve youve worked incredibly hard today. Youve travelled vvbbb hard today. Youve travelled vvbbb bbe hard today. Youve travelled with the manchester fans all the way with the manchester fans all the vvey eevvm with the manchester fans all the vvey eevvm bbe with the manchester fans all the way down the country, have you got way down the country, have you eeb e way down the country, have you eeb e bbebeb way down the country, have you got a ticket for way down the country, have you got a ticket for the way down the country, have you got a ticket for the game . Cj got a ticket for the game . Oh, i vvbb got a ticket for the game . Oh, i vvbb. Got a ticket for the game . Oh, i vvbb. Vvbb got a ticket for the game . Oh, i wish. I wish if got a ticket for the game . Oh, i wish. I wish if anybodys like around wembley right now and they cant get in and wants to give me their ticket, ill take ill take top tier furthest seat at back because to be in at the back because to be in there is just going to be absolutely. Motty. Oh, absolutely magical. Motty. Oh, bless you, jack. You for bless you, jack. Thank you for all bless you, jack. Thank you for ebb meeb bless you, jack. Thank you for ebb meeb eb bless you, jack. Thank you for all much of your bless you, jack. Thank you for all much of your hard work bebey all much of your hard work bebeyyeeb all much of your hard work today. Jack carson and today. Thats jack carson and gb bees vvembbey today. Thats jack carson and gb news wembley outside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. Wembley outside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. So wembley outside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. So anyembley outside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. So any case,ey outside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. So any case, just tside today. Thats jack carson and gb nevground. So any case, just to de the ground. So any case, just to say the ground. So any case, just to sey everyee the ground. So any case, just to say everyone there the ground. So any case, just to say everyone there had the best day, say everyone there had the best eey. Mey say everyone there had the best eey. Mey bbe say everyone there had the best day, may the best say everyone there had the best day, may the best team win. Omyey day, may the best team win. Bmfeyemezme enjoy. Its an amazing ebememee enjoy. Its an amazing beebemee. Enjoy. Its an amazing experience. Went enjoy. Its an amazing experience. Iwent once experience. I went there once vvbbb experience. I went there once vvbbb vvesb experience. I went there once with west back experience. I went there once with west back in the dark with west ham back in the dark eyes. With west ham back in the dark eyes. Bbb with west ham back in the dark eyes. Bbb beve with west ham back in the dark ages. But have a with west ham back in the dark ages. But have a good time right now. Youve been getting in bebeb now. Youve been getting in beemvvbeb now. Youve been getting in touch what been touch on what have been ebsebssme touch on what have been discussing loads of subjects discussing and loads of subjects beeey discussing and loads of subjects beeeyyebve discussing and loads of subjects today youve really, really today and youve really, really eeme today and youve really, really eemebbb today and youve really, really gonethis one. Gone mad on this one. Pestminster gone mad on this one. Pestminster in particular, bbebere pestminster in particular, richard says pestminster in particular, richard says get rid of the self indulgent richard says get rid of the self indulgent , subsidised late self indulgent, subsidised late mobb self indulgent, subsidised late mbebb bers self indulgent, subsidised late night bars that self indulgent, subsidised late night bars that might help. You mbem night bars that might help. You mbabb meb night bars that might help. You might not have night bars that might help. You might not have any mps though, bsbem might not have any mps though, bbebere. Em might not have any mps though, richard, on that might not have any mps though, richard, on that one. Thats a brebbem richard, on that one. Thats a problem there. Richard, on that one. Thats a problem there. And on the animal bsbe problem there. And on the animal bbsma bebesb. Problem there. And on the animal rising protest, they problem there. And on the animal rising protest, they have been emesbee rising protest, they have been emesbee eb rising protest, they have been arrested at the rising protest, they have been arrested at the epsom derby this ebbemeem arrested at the epsom derby this ebbemeem. Arrested at the epsom derby this afternoon. How arrested at the epsom derby this afternoon. How come the police afternoon. How come the police bbese afternoon. How come the Police Remove these idiots straight evvey remove these idiots straight evvey ber remove these idiots straight away for horse remove these idiots straight away for horse racing but leave bbem away for horse racing but leave bbem em away for horse racing but leave bbem em bbe away for horse racing but leave them on the roads away for horse racing but leave them on the roads . Double them on the roads . Double sbemeeres them on the roads . Double standardsthink standards there. I think eebeebby standards there. I think eebeebby e standards there. I think actually a very good point. Im serelbeb actually a very good point. Im serelbeb eb actually a very good point. Im surellot of people actually a very good point. Im sure lot of people would be sure a lot of people would be eareeme sure a lot of people would be eareema vvbbb sure a lot of people would be agreeing with that one. Also so on agreeing with that one. Also so embrebesbs agreeing with that one. Also so on protests, peter, i on disruptive protests, peter, beee seysl on disruptive protests, peter, aeee seys vvby good afternoon. Peter says why do bbe good afternoon. Peter says why do the protests good afternoon. Peter says why do the protests only attack evembs do the protests only attack evembs ber do the protests only attack events for working people . Its a events for working people . Its e bebbe events for working people . Its e bbebma bbme events for working people . Its a ticking time bomb before these brebesbers a ticking time bomb before these protestors start a ticking time bomb before these protestors start to a ticking time bomb before these protestors start to get whats sombe protestors start to get whats commabbem protestors start to get whats eemmelbbem. Protestors start to get whats coming them. Ouch. Right. Coming for them. Ouch. Right. Obey. Coming for them. Ouch. Right. Obey. Ivvebbe coming for them. Ouch. Right. Okay. Would like coming for them. Ouch. Right. Okay. Would like to stress okay. We would like to stress bbeb okay. We would like to stress bbeb yee okay. We would like to stress bbeb yee eemb okay. We would like to stress that you cant take the law into your bbb that you cant take the law into your bbb bbere that you cant take the law into your but there i a i your own hands, but there is a lot. Frustrated your own hands, but there is a lot frustrated people lot of frustrated people out mere. 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Including locals are opposed plans to house 500 mbarembs are opposed plans to house 500 mberembs em are opposed plans to house 500 mbarembs or e are opposed plans to house 500 migrants on a barge off the berseb migrants on a barge off the dorset coast. Migrants on a barge off the dorset coast. Theyre holding a bebesb dorset coast. Theyre holding a brebesb bbme dorset coast. Theyre holding a protest picnic. Thats a new one in protest picnic. Thats a new one be rememb protest picnic. Thats a new one in portland today. Protest picnic. Thats a new one in portland today. All of that eme in portland today. All of that me meeb in portland today. All of that and much more in portland today. All of that and much more coming up through until 7 00 this evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel gb news the peoples. Channel welcome back to gb news saturday with me, dawn on your tv online and on digital radio. Now protesters are q now protesters are holding a rally eeemsb protesters are holding a rally eeemsb bbems protesters are holding a rally against plans to protesters are holding a rally against plans to house 500 mberembs against plans to house 500 mbarembs em against plans to house 500 migrants on a against plans to house 500 migrants on a barge off the berseb migrants on a barge off the dorset coast. Migrants on a barge off the dorset coast. The home office see dorset coast. The home office see bbe dorset coast. The home office see bbe beree dorset coast. The Home Office Said the barge would offer bebber said the barge would offer better value said the barge would offer better value for the british besbeyer better value for the british besbeyer bbem better value for the british taxpayer than expensive hotels. Vveb taxpayer than expensive hotels. Vvebb bbebs taxpayer than expensive hotels. Well thats not taxpayer than expensive hotels. Well thats not difficult, is it, well thats not difficult, is b. Reebbye well thats not difficult, is it, really . Now well thats not difficult, is it, really . Now joining me now bem it, really . Now joining me now from bbe it, really . Now joining me now from the protest it, really . Now joining me now from the protest is our gb news semb vvesb from the protest is our gb news south west reporter jeff jeff booby. South west reporter jeff jeff beeey. Beee south west reporter jeff jeff moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Bebbe moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Bebbe. Webb moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Hello. Well, the moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Hello. Well, the good moody. Good afternoon, jeff. Hello. Well, the good people of portland have come out in force today to air their opinions. Today to air their opinions. There have been, i would say, around 100 people here this afternoon enjoying the sunshine, but also getting their message across. And a lot of people have been speaking a lot of people have been listening to you, alex, youre one of the main organisers as you are the main organisers as you are the main organiser of the event. A good organiser of the event. A good turnout and a good range of opinions today, wasnt there . There was. This event is for the there was. This event is for the community and one of the reasons i organised this was to give the community a voice. Now this is community a voice. Now this is something that unfortunate really. The home office and private port took away in april behind what i would say was a very secretive deal that they made and today we heard a lot of opinions and the majority of thatis opinions and the majority of that is really saying no to the barge and that is the portlanders, the people of dorset. But what is the portlanders, the people of dorset. But what is the main objection to the barge coming here, do you think . A lot of here, do you think . A lot of discussion is about resourcing for the area . I understand , and for the area . I understand, and that the nhs here is effectively on its knees . Police thing is struggling. I have been told by struggling. I have been told by the police and crime commissioner and several others that there is no extra funding for the police here. I understand theyre going to be seeking it. But again, when you put 500 men onto an island thats underequipped and underfunded, there are going to be issues. Okay, alex, thank you very much. Well, as i say, theres been a whole variety of opinions. Lets have a listen to what the people have what some of the people have been me afternoon been saying to me this afternoon. The community really. For the community really eemmbmbby. For the community really communityso. For the community reallyi communitysowe. 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Openly and talk together and not on social media. \ 2 on social media. No one knew about it. Richard drax found out about it. Richard drax found out about think the end of about it. I think at the end of berm. About it. I think at the end of bermlb about it. I think at the end of march. | think about it. I think at the end of march. | think we about it. I think at the end of march. | think we all. I think at the end of march. I think we all went march. So i think we all went mbe march. So i think we all went bmbe e march. So i think we all went bmbe e bbb march. So i think we all went bmbe e bbb eb march. So i think we all went into a bit of shock , to be into a bit of shock, to be bemesb. Into a bit of shock, to be honestall into a bit of shock, to be honest. All heard or into a bit of shock, to be honest. All heard or seen honest. Wed all heard or seen on honest. Wed all heard or seen emmbemeb honest. Wed all heard or seen oninternetgoing. Honest. Wed all heard or seen on internet going on on the internet whats going on eeeme on the internet whats going on eeemeeeemy on the internet whats going on around country hotels. Around the country with hotels. So around the country with hotels. Se. Around the country with hotels. Se. Eebb around the country with hotels. So i dont like around the country with hotels. So i dont like is around the country with hotels. So i dont like is the around the country with hotels. So i dont like is the fact around the country with hotels. So i dont like is the fact the deceit of not actually asking us about how we feel about it. There is a meeting on tuesday eveeme there is a meeting on tuesday evemma bb there is a meeting on tuesday evemma be beb there is a meeting on tuesday evening up top hill but surely all evening up top hill but surely ebb bbbs evening up top hill but surely all this should evening up top hill but surely all this should have been done beberebeme all this should have been done beberebeme. All this should have been done beberebeme. All this should have been done beforehand. Well, all this should have been done beforehand. � vab� 2;. Beforehand. Well, as you hear, theres another meeting with Portland Town Council on tuesday. People have been signing petition all afternoon. Theyve reached, well, a good few signatures here from all sides of the argument. Back to you. Itsjust sides of the argument. Back to you. Its just one quick you. Its just one quick eeesbbem you. Its just one quick question. Sorry. Its just one quick question. Sorry. When is the berae question. Sorry. 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So we dont actually know when Falmouth Town Council has been very vague , possibly been very vague, possibly understandably, as to when the barge will actually be moved. But it will be imminent. We know that for sure. Right okay. Well, thank that for sure. Right okay. Well, bbemb yee that for sure. Right okay. Well, bbemb yee very that for sure. Right okay. Well, thank you very much. . Q. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thats 3 q. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thats jeff booby. Thank you very much. Thats jeff beeey. Ob thank you very much. Thats jeff moody, gb news, thank you very much. Thats jeff moody, gb news, reporter down in rerbbeme moody, gb news, reporter down in rerbbeme beeey moody, gb news, reporter down in portland today at moody, gb news, reporter down in portland today at that protest bbe portland today at that protest over the migrants barge. But at £7 over the migrants barge. But at or mbbbbem over the migrants barge. But at or mbbbbem e over the migrants barge. 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Person is going to explain it to bbbs person is going to explain it to bbbs bs person is going to explain it to bbbs bs e person is going to explain it to us. This is a director and co founder us. This is a director and co founder at us. This is a director and co founder at regionally eeybsbee co founder at regionally adjusted urquhart stewart. Justin adjusted urquhart stewart. Justin whats adjusted urquhart stewart. Justin whats going on with merbaeaes justin whats going on with merbaeaes e justin whats going on with mortgages . 2. Mortgages . Ive never heard it described as being crisp and sexy, but im trying to talk it up. Its a saturday afternoon. I beve up. Its a saturday afternoon. I beve bsb up. Its a saturday afternoon. I have just renewed. Its a saturday afternoon. I have just renewed my mortgage and have just renewed my mortgage eme. Have just renewed my mortgage eme. Ebe have just renewed my mortgage eme. 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Okay what is me. So why . Whats happening . Right. Okay what is happening now is that people are having a whole generation having to get used to paying a lot more for used to be paying a lot more for mortgages. Bear in mind, all this inaya generation, the young generation through into generation coming through into the market, theyve known the market, theyve only known emergency rates at 1, 2, something. Now theyre going up something. Now theyre going up to doesnt sound much. To 4. Doesnt sound much. Thats 100 to 4. Doesnt sound much. Thats100 bigger than what to 4. Doesnt sound much. Thats100 bigger than what you before thats100 bigger than what you bebere. Thats100 bigger than what you were before , right . Thats100 bigger than what you were before , right . Yes. 2 were before, right . Yes. And be were before, right . Yes. And bbbbesb were before, right . Yes. Andl itsjust actually its not just 4. Youll actually find from a building find as a margin from a Building Society bank. 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So as i say , when does finances. So as i say, when does this end . I mean , we are this end . I mean, we are bembereee this end . I mean, we are bombarded with 2;2 27 i mean, we are bombarded with predictions at the bombarded with predictions at bbe mememb bombarded with predictions at the moment that bombarded with predictions at the moment that dont you know , the moment that dont you know, eemb the moment that dont you know, eemb ebvveys the moment that dont you know, dont always come the moment that dont you know, dont always come true, as we bmevv dont always come true, as we bmevv. Dont always come true, as we bmevv. Bbb dont always come true, as we know. But this dont always come true, as we know. But this just seems to be know. But this just seems to be emaema know. But this just seems to be emaema mevv know. But this just seems to be ongoing now. Theory, ongoing now. In theory, house bebes ongoing now. In theory, house brbees ee ongoing now. 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But with the cost of mortgages , but with the cost of mortgages, im but with the cost of mortgages, bm abessme but with the cost of mortgages, bm abessma bbs but with the cost of mortgages, im guessing its a but with the cost of mortgages, im guessing its a double vvbemmy im guessing its a double vvbemmy eb im guessing its a double whammy of not actually being bbeb whammy of not actually being bbeb beee whammy of not actually being that good news. Whammy of not actually being that good news. Yeah. 2 that good news. Yeah. And also beese that good news. Yeah. And also house prices falling the house prices falling over the entire country. No, itll vary entire country. No, itll vary enormously. And so its actually enormously. And so its actually very difficult the way actually we all need to plan this better is actually operate more as a family because actually your parents, grandparents, they parents, your grandparents, they may have bought the house, they may have bought the house, they may there, may have some assets in there, some theres more some value. And theres more chance of you getting access to the Mortgage Market if you can prove people prove youve got other people with you. Right . With money around you. Right . This used do. This is what we used to do. Donkeys family donkeys years ago. The family sort was able to help even in sort of was able to help even in my rather strange family , there my rather strange family, there was always somebody in the background trying to make sure of saying, well, okay, we can afford actually that afford to actually send that person or person to that university or or to have another mortgage. So im afraid it takes some planning. What what people mustnt do is actually put their head in the sand because speak to the bank, speak to the Building Society. They dont want you as a bad bet because bad because it gives a Bad Reputation and its bad for their too. They will their finances too. They will adjust and try and make sure that youre going get through adjust and try and make sure thbecause going get through adjust and try and make sure thbecause going worththrough adjust and try and make sure thbecause going worth their]h adjust and try and make sure thbec going. Oing worth their]h adjust and try and make sure thbec going. Ling worth their]h adjust and try and make sure thbec going. I thinklorth their]h adjust and try and make sure thbec going. I thinklorth iseir]h while going. I think that is a it is a scary subject, isnt it . And people do, you say, it is a scary subject, isnt it . I and people do,. You say, stick and people do, as you say, stick bbeb m and people do, as you say, stick their insand. 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I know you havent got a crystal ball, bbb you havent got a crystal ball, bbbere you havent got a crystal ball, bbberebe but rates are likely to go up meb but rates are likely to go up mebvery but rates are likely to go up notvery much, but rates are likely to go up not very much, but lets hope not by very much, but lets hope it not by very much, but lets hope bbbb. Not by very much, but lets hope bbbb. Bbey not by very much, but lets hope bbbb. Bbey bebe not by very much, but lets hope itup. May hope it not by very much, but lets hopei itup. May hope it goes it may go up. May hope it goes up half but maybe that should be it. Up half but maybe that should beit. The up half but maybe that should be it. The good news is inflation the world is inflation around the world is now down, coming down. Now pulling down, coming down. And good news. However, and thats good news. However, be our inflation seems be careful. Our inflation seems a little bit more sticky, not coming at same as coming down at the same speed as the rest. In a couple of the rest. So in a couple of years with reasonable years time, with a reasonable wind behind economy will wind behind us, the economy will be , but it wont be be picking up, but it wont be being boom. Weve have being a big boom. Weve have probably already in some probably already been in some form recession. The form of recession. Its just the figures tiny. Yeah, half figures are so tiny. Yeah, half a here, half cent there. And of course theyre not the same around country. The other around the country. The other bit that bit of good news is that actually, of this actually, despite all of this giving, most people tense depression were depression actually were setting up new businesses, quite a lot of them, them in a lot of them, a lot of them in high businesses. And these high tech businesses. And these are very bright people. And those businesses those are the businesses of the future as opposed to some of the old look like old ones. We look back on like the industry, also the car industry, which also have kyiv. But theres the future. The value , and future. Theres the value, and it more government it doesnt need more government money. Brilliant. Thank you very meeb. Money. Brilliant. Thank you very meebbers money. Brilliant. Thank you very much, thats justin much, justin. Thats justin brebberb much, justin. Thats justin brebberb eme urquhart stewart, director and ee bebmeer urquhart stewart, director and co founder originally. Thank urquhart stewart, director and co so nder originally. Thank urquhart stewart, director and co so much originally. Thank urquhart stewart, director and co so much for riginally. Thank urquhart stewart, director and co so much for coming. Thank urquhart stewart, director and co so much for coming in hank you so much for coming in on a sebbreey you so much for coming in on a saturday afternoon you so much for coming in on a saturday afternoon. Right. We saturday afternoon. Right. We move on and lets go to now the aevemmemb move on and lets go to now the government have move on and lets go to now the government have come under pressure from government have come under pressure from all government have come under pressure from all sides over its embb brebesb pressure from all sides over its anti protest laws. Pressure from all sides over its anti protest laws. Weve seen brebesbs anti protest laws. Weve seen brebesbs beeey anti protest laws. Weve seen protests today at anti protest laws. Weve seen protests today at the derby and bebembby protests today at the derby and bebembby meb protests today at the derby and hopefully not the protests today at the derby and hopefully not the football. Some say hopefully not the football. Some sey bbey hopefully not the football. Some sey bbey ee hopefully not the football. Some sey bbey bee hopefully not the football. Some say they are too draconian, vvbbbe say they are too draconian, while others say they are too draconian, while others argue they not while others argue they are not giving directionl giving police enough direction to giving police enough direction be bbel to stop disruption. Now the aevemmemb to stop disruption. Now the government seeking to toughen government is seeking to toughen bbem government is seeking to toughen bbem iobr government is seeking to toughen bbem i0ur eebbby government is seeking to toughen them our deputy political them up. Our deputy political eebber them up. Our deputy Political Editorharwood editor tom harwood has the bebesb editor tom harwood has the bebesblbbbs. Editor tom harwood has the latestthis. Oh, editor tom harwood has the latest this. Oh, my. Oh this latest on this. Oh, my. Oh this is latest on this. Oh, my. Oh this bs ebsebbbe latest on this. Oh, my. Oh this is absolute mayhem, absolute meybem is absolute mayhem, absolute meybem. Is absolute mayhem, absolute mayhem. People is absolute mayhem, absolute mayhem. 3 2; is absolute mayhem, absolute mayhem. Mayhem. People are so close to being run over. It is incredibly bbbs being run over. It is incredibly bbbs bs being run over. It is incredibly this is incredibly q 2 it is incredibly this is incredibly dangerous. Mere this is incredibly dangerous. Mere bs this is incredibly dangerous. Rbere be be this is incredibly dangerous. There is no police this is incredibly dangerous. There is no Police Presence at the moment. Arresting, blocking the moment. Arresting, blocking eese the moment. 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And politicians causation of chaos. And politicians have been attempting to politicians have been attempting be seesb politicians have been attempting be ereeb eevvm politicians have been attempting to crack down on politicians have been attempting to crack down on these groups for seme to crack down on these groups for some time to crack down on these groups for some time now. Y 2 . 2 2. For some time now. You cant besb for some time now. You cant just start a riot or glue yourself to the roads and get away with it. The governments away with it. The governments bebbe away with it. The governments bbbbbe ereer away with it. The governments public order act away with it. The governments public order act tried. The governments public order act tried to give bbe public order act tried to give bbe bebbe public order act tried to give the police new public order act tried to give the Police New Powers to immediately the Police New Powers to immediately crack down on brebesbs immediately crack down on protests that immediately crack down on protests that cause, quote , protests that cause, quote, serious disruption to the life of e serious disruption to the life of a community. Serious disruption to the life of a community. But the governments of a community. But the governments plans were watered eeem governments plans were watered been by governments plans were watered been by bbe governments plans were watered down by the house governments plans were watered down by the house of lords. Now down by the house of lords. Now the down by the house of lords. Now bbe aevemmemb down by the house of lords. Now the government wants to overrule the government wants to overrule bbe bebes the government wants to overrule bbe beres esme the government wants to overrule the lords using a the government wants to overrule the lords using a nifty mechanism the lords using a nifty mechanism , the lords using a nifty mechanism , sometimes referred to mechanism, sometimes referred to as mechanism, sometimes referred to es berry mechanism, sometimes referred to es bemry bbe mechanism, sometimes referred to as henry the eighth mechanism, sometimes referred to as henry the eighth powers. That can as henry the eighth powers. That ebemee as henry the eighth powers. That ebemee beve as henry the eighth powers. That can change law without the eemseb can change law without the eemseb eb can change law without the consent of parliament. But the bees consent of parliament. But the lords secondary consent of parliament. But the lords secondary legislation sembmy lords secondary legislation Scrutiny Committee has criticised Scrutiny Committee has criticised this Scrutiny Committee has criticised this move, saying the brebesee criticised this move, saying the proposed changes criticised this move, saying the proposed changes would quote , proposed changes would quote, bever proposed changes would quote, bevver bbe proposed changes would quote, lower the threshold for serious bomber. Lower the threshold for serious disruption, continuing the same ebemees disruption, continuing the same ebemaes vvee disruption, continuing the same changes were rejected by the beese changes were rejected by the beese eb changes were rejected by the house of lords changes were rejected by the house of lords when put forward as amendments house of lords when put forward as amendments and the home offbe as amendments and the home obbbee bes as amendments and the home office has not as amendments and the home office has not provided any new erabmembs office has not provided any new erabmembs es office has not provided any new arguments as to office has not provided any new arguments as to why they should be arguments as to why they should be eeereveeb arguments as to why they should now be approved. While number ten now be approved. While number bem beebs now be approved. While number ten feels like now be approved. While number ten feels like it now be approved. While number ten feels like it has the bbbbbes ten feels like it has the publics backing to overrule the emebeebee publics backing to overrule the unelected house, publics backing to overrule the unelected house, many in the bees unelected house, many in the lords disagree unelected house, many in the lords disagree. Unelected house, many in the lords disagree. See, the lords disagree. See, the government lords disagree. See, the government wants to make changes to government wants to make changes be sbeebbeebby government wants to make changes to specifically note government wants to make changes to specifically note hindrance to specifically note hindrance be bbe to specifically note hindrance to the making to specifically note hindrance to the making of to specifically note hindrance to the making of a journey. As an to the making of a journey. As em exembbe to the making of a journey. As em exembbe eb to the making of a journey. As an example of disruption. 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It believes that the current lack of exembbes believes that the current lack of examples of believes that the current lack of examples of disruption in the act of examples of disruption in the beb beeves of examples of disruption in the act leaves police of examples of disruption in the act leaves police in an embbabebs act leaves police in an ambiguous position, often sbememe ambiguous position, often standing uselessly as protesters bbeeb standing uselessly as protesters bbeeb eees standing uselessly as protesters block cars, vans standing uselessly as protesters block cars, vans and even embbbemee block cars, vans and even ambulance says the changes would ebbevv ambulance says the changes would ebbevv bebbe ambulance says the changes would ebbevv bebbee be ambulance says the changes would allow police to count the smevvbebb allow police to count the Snowball Effect of repeated brebesbs Snowball Effect of repeated brebesbs es Snowball Effect of repeated protests as more serious, emebbme protests as more serious, enabling faster police action. 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Peoples business and blocks highways. 2 2 . Highways. Of course, we recognise that protests can often be very inconvenient and highly disruptive , but under highly disruptive, but under International Law its important to remember that those rights can only be restricted in very limited circumstances to prevent things like serious harm from taking place. Yet the taking place. Yet the frustrations taking place. Yet the frustrations of q 2 yet the frustrations of many in the bebbe frustrations of many in the bbbbbe eme frustrations of many in the public and in frustrations of many in the public and in parliament are erbee public and in parliament are bee bees public and in parliament are clear. Does the public and in parliament are clear. Does the Prime Minister eeree clear. Does the Prime Minister eeree vvbbb clear. Does the Prime Minister agree with us . Clear. Does the Prime Minister agree with us . The moment those activists stand on the road, they should be immediately turfed off the road like in many other countries. The government other countries. The government hasconfirmed other countries. The government hasconfirmed it other countries. The government hasconfirmed it will. Has this week confirmed it will press has this week confirmed it will pressvvbbb has this week confirmed it will pressvvbbb bs has this week confirmed it will press with its changes in press ahead with its changes in the press ahead with its changes in bbeeb press ahead with its changes in theof Opposition Press ahead with its changes in the of opposition from the the face of opposition from the beese the face of opposition from the beesebeees the face of opposition from the houselordscivill house of lords and some civil bbberbbes house of lords and some Civil Liberties groups house of lords and some Civil Liberties groups. House of lords and some Civil Liberties groups. One thing is liberties groups. One thing is for liberties groups. One thing is ferbessbems liberties groups. One thing is forpassions are liberties groups. One thing is for passions are high for certain passions are high eme for certain passions are high eme bbbs for certain passions are high eme bbbs bs for certain passions are high and this is a for certain passions are high and this is a debate that is not going and this is a debate that is not going evvey and this is a debate that is not going evvey. And this is a debate that is not going evvey. Rem and this is a debate that is not going away. Tom harwood. Gb news going away. Tom harwood. Gb news memb going away. Tom harwood. Gb news memb yee going away. Tom harwood. Gb news memb yee very going away. Tom harwood. Gb news thank you very much, tom. 3q. Thank you very much, tom. Right. Obey. Thank you very much, tom. Right. Obey. Veeve thank you very much, tom. Right. Okay. Weve come thank you very much, tom. Right. Okay. Weve come to thank you very much, tom. Right. Okay. Weve come to the end. What a brilliant show. Thank you so much forjoining me. Youve been and listening to been watching and listening to gb saturday with dawn gb news news saturday with dawn neesom you so neesom. I said, thank you so much joining and your much forjoining me and all your lovely and all those lovely messages and all those emails. Now dont go anywhere. If watching the football, if youre watching the football, keep radio tuned here or do keep your radio tuned here or do it dont it the other way round. Dont mind, go anywhere mind, but dont go anywhere because lovely akua is because the lovely nana akua is up next. First, lets take a up next. But first, lets take a look at what that weather is doing you weekend. Doing for you this weekend. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst eme hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst eme vvebeme hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb beves and welcome to your latest gb news weather and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Weve got a news Weather Forecast. Weve got ebme news Weather Forecast. Weve got ebme eveeme news Weather Forecast. Weve got a fine evening to news Weather Forecast. Weve got a fine evening to come. It does bbm a fine evening to come. It does bem ebbe a fine evening to come. It does turn quite chilly a fine evening to come. It does turn quite chilly overnight, but bbem turn quite chilly overnight, but bbem ber turn quite chilly overnight, but then for most turn quite chilly overnight, but then for most it turn quite chilly overnight, but then for most it will be another semy then for most it will be another semy eey then for most it will be another semy eey em then for most it will be another sunny day on sunday. So looking at sunny day on sunday. So looking eb bbe sunny day on sunday. So looking eb bbe bbaaer sunny day on sunday. So looking at the Bigger Picture and High Pressure sbs at the Bigger Picture and High Pressure sits firmly in place bsb pressure sits firmly in place besb be pressure sits firmly in place besb be bbe pressure sits firmly in place just to the north of the uk, beebme just to the north of the uk, beebma bb just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry and settled, bbebeb keeping it dry and settled, bbebab bbe keeping it dry and settled, though the positioning still means weve though the positioning still means weve got a north easterly beee means weve got a north easterly breee ber means weve got a north easterly breee ber seme means weve got a north easterly breeze for some northern and esemeb breeze for some northern and eastern coasts breeze for some northern and eastern coasts continuing to sbey eastern coasts continuing to sbey ebbbby eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and quite cloudy at bbmes stay chilly and quite cloudy at bbmes eve stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the next few days. Bbme times over the next few days. Bbme eme times over the next few days. Bbme eme be times over the next few days. Fine end to the times over the next few days. Fine end to the day. Some fine end to the day. Some smsbme fine end to the day. Some sunshine before fine end to the day. Some sunshine before dusk and then evembebb sunshine before dusk and then overnight will sunshine before dusk and then overnight will generally stay dry overnight will generally stay by vvbbb overnight will generally stay dry with clear overnight will generally stay dry with clear spells, though. Bebbe dry with clear spells, though. Bebbee bbe dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud dry with clear spells, though. Notice the cloud thickening across northeast scotland, down esemeb across northeast scotland, down esemeb berbs across northeast scotland, down eastern parts of across northeast scotland, down eastern parts of england, besbme eastern parts of england, besbma mbe eastern parts of england, pushing into Central England beber pushing into Central England beber em pushing into Central England beber or m pushing into Central England later on in the pushing into Central England later on in the night. Temperatures generally dipping into single temperatures generally dipping into single figures. 1 or 2 sbebs into single figures. 1 or 2 sbebs sebbe into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be on the chilly sbee spots could be on the chilly sbee be spots could be on the chilly side to start spots could be on the chilly side to start sunday morning. Side to start sunday morning. Rbemby side to start sunday morning. Rbemby eb side to start sunday morning. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe vvesb plenty of sunshine, particularly m bbe vvesb. Plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west. Further east, we do beve in the west. Further east, we do beve bbeb in the west. Further east, we do beve bbeb beve in the west. Further east, we do have that low cloud. First bbme have that low cloud. First thingr bbb have that low cloud. First thing, but it have that low cloud. First thing, but it should lift and beer thing, but it should lift and breeb eme thing, but it should lift and break and push thing, but it should lift and break and push back towards the eeesbs break and push back towards the eeesbs. Break and push back towards the coasts. Eastern break and push back towards the coasts. Easternof coasts. Eastern coast of seebbeme. Coasts. Eastern coast of scotland,scotland and scotland, northern scotland and esemeb scotland, northern scotland and eesbemvvbbb scotland, northern scotland and eastern will see Eastern England will see ebebeber Eastern England will see cloudier skies Eastern England will see cloudier skies through sunday at bbmes cloudier skies through sunday at bbmes bbb cloudier skies through sunday at bbmes bbb rm cloudier skies through sunday at times, but im hopeful therell be seme times, but im hopeful therell be some brighter times, but im hopeful therell be some brighter breaks. Chilly bere be some brighter breaks. Chilly here, temperatures 13, 14 degrees here, temperatures 13, 14 degrees, but here, temperatures 13, 14 degrees, but inland in that smsmeb degrees, but inland in that sunshine, temperatures rising bevv sunshine, temperatures rising bebbe sunshine, temperatures rising bevv be bessbbby sunshine, temperatures rising low to possibly mid 20s in the besb low to possibly mid 20s in the besb eb low to possibly mid 20s in the besb eb bbe low to possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine, uv levels high best of the sunshine, uv levels remain high to best of the sunshine, uv levels remain high to very high into the remain high to very high into bbe eveeme remain high to very high into the evening time and overnight, we the evening time and overnight, vve bbeb the evening time and overnight, we see that low the evening time and overnight, we see that low cloud start to bebbe we see that low cloud start to rebrbm ebb we see that low cloud start to return off the we see that low cloud start to return off the north sea once bbbs return off the north sea once more. This time return off the north sea once more. This time thicker and bessbbby more. This time thicker and possibly expanding further south and westwards possibly expanding further south and westwards as possibly expanding further south and westwards as we move through the and westwards as we move through bbe mbem and westwards as we move through the night, clearer and westwards as we move through the night, clearer skies in the vvesb. The night, clearer skies in the vvesb. Bbb the night, clearer skies in the west. But even the night, clearer skies in the west. But even under the cloud, bemberebbres west. But even under the cloud, temperatures dipping into single babes. Temperatures dipping into single babes. Oe temperatures dipping into single babes. Se bb temperatures dipping into single figures. So it means a bit of a vvesb figures. So it means a bit of a vvesb sbbbb figures. So it means a bit of a vvesb sbbbb be figures. So it means a bit of a west split to start figures. So it means a bit of a west split to start the new bebbe west split to start the new working week. West split to start the new working week. Sunshine then across western working week. Sunshine then across western parts of the uk, ebebey across western parts of the uk, ebebey m across western parts of the uk, ebebey m bbe across western parts of the uk, cloudy in the east across western parts of the uk, cloudy in the east and then just bbe cloudy in the east and then just be vve cloudy in the east and then just be we se cloudy in the east and then just like we saw last cloudy in the east and then just like we saw last week, this ebebe like we saw last week, this ebebe vvbbb like we saw last week, this cloud will take like we saw last week, this cloud will take its time to burn besb cloud will take its time to burn besb bbrebab cloud will take its time to burn back through the cloud will take its time to burn back through the day. But evembbebby back through the day. But eventually well do allowing some sunny spells over the next revv some sunny spells over the next few mys some sunny spells over the next few eeys. Bb some sunny spells over the next few days. It remains very sbmbber few days. It remains very sbmbber. Few days. It remains very similar. Further sunshine temperatures similar. Further sunshine temperatures in the 20s. Away