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There live shortly. And this is unbelievable. A judge has ruled that former us President Donald Trump must pay nearly. £281 trump must pay nearly. £281 million to new york for state lying about the values of his properties. Lying about the values of his properties. He lying about the values of his properties. He says lying about the values of his properties. He says hes lying about the values of his properties. He says hes been properties. He says hes been stitched up. And by the way, stitched up. And by the way, that trump story is insane. Even the banks who gave donald trump those multi Million Dollar loans said that the underwriting process was fine. They had no problem with it. And of course, problem with it. And of course, prince harry breaking story this morning. Is he going to be back in the royal fold just four years ditching royals years after ditching the royals for in california . For a new life in california . Let all your thoughts on let me know all your thoughts on all the stories well be discussing me discussing today. Email me gbviews gbnews. Com or message me on socials. Were at gb news on twitter, instagram and all the rest of it. But first, heres your morning News Headlines with sofia. Thanks ben. Sofia. Thanks ben. Good afternoon. Its 12 01. Im sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this newsroom. Your top story this houn newsroom. Your top story this hour. Foreign ministers from the g7 have held a minutes silence in munich for Alexei Navalny after a spokesperson confirmed his death in prison. After a spokesperson confirmed his death in prison. It comes as his death in prison. It comes as lord cameron warned of consequences for russia this morning , as consequences for russia this morning, as vigils and consequences for russia this morning , as vigils and protests morning, as vigils and protests were held across the world in support of Vladimir Putins most vocal critic. Crowds gathered vocal critic. Crowds gathered outside the Russian Embassy in london, laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death. The Foreign Office death. The Foreign Office summoned Russian Diplomats last night, though the ambassador was reportedly too ill to attend , reportedly too ill to attend, with a deputy sent instead. With a deputy sent instead. Those gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy told the conference. The russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of Alexei Navalny. Navalny. Its absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian state, and he is a thug who maintains power through corruption and violence. Coming to his so called inauguration , to his so called inauguration, shaking his hand , considering shaking his hand, considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power. Power. Meanwhile, the reaction across russian controlled media to Alexei Navalnys death has been minimal, with scant detail and little context about who he was. But its attracted more attention online, trending on some social media platforms , some social media platforms, people were cautioned against taking part in mass gatherings, though, with police detaining more than 100 protesters. Officers have been seen this morning removing floral tributes to mr navalny , ensuring theres to mr navalny, ensuring theres little evidence that the support that he might have had. Marina that he might have had. Marina litvinenko is the widow of alexander litvinenko, a former russian spy who was poisoned in london. She told gb news that the world must consider whether Vladimir Putin can be allowed to continue his brutal regime. Will you accept putin as a leader of the country . Do you leader of the country . Do you believe you can negotiate gate to this regime . Do you believe you can trust . And this is a you can trust . And this is a very important and i think we will have not another chance to make any change for what is happening now to russia and what is happening to. Ukraine is happening to. Ukraine in other news, a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while russia , have taken place, while russia, enoch was Prime Minister. Thats according to new analysis by the labour party. Thats after 52 labour party. Thats after 52 people reportedly crossed the channel by small boat yesterday , channel by small boat yesterday, meaning theres been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became Prime Minister. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said it was proof the governments focus on its rwanda plan isnt enough to solve the crisis. The government insists crisis. The government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier. For farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. Furious at what they say are cheap. International imports. Around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near doven tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Their aiming to raise awareness to what they fear could be a threat to britains Food Security because of the unfair treatment of farmers by large retailers. They say they cant compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done , british farmers wont be done, british farmers wont be able afford to feed the able to afford to feed the British Public. Donald trump has been ordered to pay 354. 9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. Hes also worth to dupe lenders. Hes also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. The latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to republican nomination , to republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the duke of sussex battles, and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into a temporary royal role while his father undergoes Cancer Treatment. According to reports in the times, harry is said to have told friends hed be willing to cover some duties while his father recovers. It comes after prince harry hinted at possible reconciliation at a possible reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television. Speaking to Good Morning America program, he said he was grateful for the time he spent with during a short with his father during a short visit london last week. And visit to london last week. And for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. To gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its back to ben. Thank you sophia. Should we get stuck into some of todays topics, not least that bloodbath in the pair of bar elections on friday . So sir keir starmer, he says that people are now ready to put their faith in a changed Labour Party Following that double win in and kingswood. Party following that double win in minister and kingswood. Party following that double win in minister rishind kingswood. Party following that double win in minister rishi sunakjswood. Party following that double win in minister rishi sunak saysid. Prime minister rishi sunak says the circumstances facing the tories are challenging. You tories are challenging. You think, but, insists labour doesnt have a plan. Take a look at this. Midterms by elections are always difficult for incumbent and the incumbent governments and the circumstances of these by elections were, course, elections were, of course, particularly challenging. Elections were, of course, par nownrly challenging. Elections were, of course, par now ,ly challenging. Elections were, of course, par now , i challenging. Elections were, of course, par now , i thinkenging. Elections were, of course, par now , i think if ging. Elections were, of course, par now , i think if you. Elections were, of course, par now , i think if you look at now, i think if you look at the results very low turnout and it shows that weve got work to do people that we are do to show people that we are delivering priorities. Do to show people that we are deliithats priorities. Do to show people that we are deliithats what priorities. Do to show people that we are deliithats what fabsolutely and thats what im absolutely determined also shows determined to do, but also shows that isnt a huge amount that there isnt a huge amount of for the of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the labour party. And thats because they dont have plan. Because they dont have a plan. And you dont a plan, and if you dont have a plan, you deliver real change. You cant deliver real change. And when the general election comes, message ill comes, thats the message ill be country. Stick be making to the country. Stick with our plan because it is starting change with our plan because it is startthe change with our plan because it is startthe country change with our plan because it is startthe country wants change with our plan because it is startthe country wants and ge that the country wants and needs. Joining me now is gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson. Good afternoon, nigel, thank you for joining us. Um, rishi sunaks um, since friday, rishi sunaks reminded me uh, do you reminded me of, uh, do you remember man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remetheer man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war|n comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war ,i comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war , who mical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war , who wasl ali from the gulf war, who was giving live tv broadcasts as the tanks rolled into baghdad behind him, saying everythings fine. The is turning a corner. The economy is turning a corner. Its great. Has he got a leg to stand on from here until the election, well it doesnt stand on from here until the electvery well it doesnt stand on from here until the electvery much well it doesnt stand on from here until the electvery much like l it doesnt stand on from here until the electvery much like it, doesnt stand on from here until the electvery much like it, ben. Nt look very much like it, ben. Certainly. Certainly. Um, i mean, yes, he is ali. Um, i mean, yes, he is a bit comical. Ali. Like that. The idea low turnout means idea that a low turnout means that theres , um, uh, no that theres, um, uh, no enthusiasm for labour. It could be one of the reasons, but there are an awful lot of others. Simple complacency. Uh, lot of others. Simple complacency. Uh, in lot of others. Simple complacency. Uh, in kingswood, complacency. Uh, in kingswood, it was raining all afternoon while the vote was going on. Uh, and it could be that people actually are perfectly happy. Actually are perfectly happy. Um, now, it doesnt seem like any of those things are really true. That the economy is not turning a corner here. Uh, were now in a recession , albeit now in a recession, albeit a shallow one. So rishi sunak is right about hes got an awful lot of work to do. If he thinks hes going to gain victory at the general election, not while there was some interesting stats in terms of the vote share from wellingborough , for example, wellingborough, for example, labour only got 107 labour actually only got 107 more votes than they did in 2019. Meanwhile , the tories lost meanwhile, the tories lost about 24,000, so that suggests its not the facts that labour are surging and theres some newfound popularity amongst starmers ranks. In actual fact , starmers ranks. In actual fact, its just complete disillusionment with rishi sunak and his party. Well certainly i think thats the main reason that people are just fed up with the tories and these kind of results that it just results show that that it just bears out what opinion polls are doing at the moment. I mean , the interesting thing i mean, the interesting thing in both elections was really in both by elections was really how well reform did that certainly in wellingborough, ben habib got 13. Now thats about the same amount that ukip was polling back in 2015. Although you have to bear in mind that ukip only got one mp out of that general election , despite, uh uh general election, despite, uh uh , doing very well with the popular vote, 4 million votes in 2015 for uk and actually nigel farage even today he says that he still feels very bitter about that. But do you know what, nigel . I think with reform they havent said this publicly, but i dont think of course theyd want think they of course theyd want to seats, they know in to win seats, but they know in this theyre not going to this system theyre not going to win seats. But think really win seats. But i think really their toppling the tories their aim is toppling the tories and completely annihilating their aim is toppling the tories and yeahnpletely annihilating them. Yeah so they could well do that. And its optimist. And i think its a bit optimist. Nick. Has been that nick. The reform has been that had they not been standing in kingswood, the tories would have won. That assumes that won. Uh that assumes that everybody who voted reform was actually a straight tory switcher, which i dont think is very likely. Um, so on the basis very likely. Um, so on the basis , on the basis of that reform can do can do some damage and certainly tory mps in marginal seats, especially in the red wall, will be very concerned about these results. About these results. So just briefly, nigel, what do you make of this piece in the telegraph last night from rishi sunak basically calling on what he british conservatives he called british conservatives to unite and beat keir starmer. He didnt mention reform by name , but it pretty calls for , but it pretty much calls for, uh, reform to step down. Thats as far as ive perceived it. Anyway yeah, its that and also the fact that hes got problems with his own right wing. Youve got five factionalised tory groups as well that have formed themselves. So so yeah, what he needsis themselves. So so yeah, what he needs is a united party and he desperately needs people who veer towards the right to vote for him. Uh, it just doesnt seem to be happening. So whats it what is the key . I know the answer to this, i think, but what is the key policy sunak to adopt now . Policy for sunak to adopt now . Whats the change, of course, that lord david frost, for example, has been calling for this what the this morning. What does the prime need do to Prime Minister need to do to save himself . Uh in the red wall . Its immigration. Quite clearly. Uh, which means that hes got to get flight off to hes got to get a flight off to rwanda general rwanda before the general election. Unlikely. Election. That looks unlikely. The top issue overall in the country is the cost of living crisis. Hes still got to deal with that. And the next thing is with that. And the next thing is to get nhs waiting lists down. Okay. Great stuff. Nigel nelson , uh, in your very well nelson, uh, in your very well stocked home library, i take it. Uh, no surprise youre so well informed these days. Thank you informed these days. Thank you for your time. Very much. Appreciate it. Have a good weekend. The best weekend. Uh, now for the best analysis opinion on that analysis and opinion on that story more goes to the story and more goes to the website gbnews. Com. And also check our socials too. By check out our socials too. By the way, is , uh, our the way, this is, uh, our Election Year. Of course, general elections all over the shop, 40 Different Countries and gb news will hot on the gb news will be hot on the pulse. All throughout the next seven, eight months. Um, lets move on and change gear now, shall yesterday, prince shall we . Yesterday, prince harry public harry gave his first public interview since his father, the King Charles King charles rather was with cancer last was diagnosed with cancer last week. This is what had to week. This is what he had to tell good america about tell Good Morning America about the fathers the effect of his fathers illness. Had had on his own family. How did you get the news that the was ill . The king was ill . I spoke to him and what did you next . I jumped on a plane and went to go and see him as soon as could. How was that visit for you emotionally . Emotionally . Um, look, love i love my um, look, i love i love my family. The fact that i was, the fact that able to get on fact that i was able to get on a plane and see him and plane and go and see him and spend time with him, im spend any time with him, im grateful for that. Whats sort of on his health grateful for that. Whats sort of stays on his health grateful for that. Whats sort of stays between his health grateful for that. Whats sort of stays between land ealth grateful for that. Whats sort of stays between land him . That stays between me and him . Illness in the family can an illness in the family can have galvanising or sort of have a galvanising or sort of reunifying for family. Reunifying effect for a family. Is that possible in this case . Yeah, im sure. I mean, you know, ive throughout these know, ive throughout all these families, i see it on a, on a day to day basis. Um, you know, again, the strength of the family unit coming just physically coming together just physically being california, have being in california, how have you processed the fact that theres happening back theres so much happening back with where you come from . I have my own family. Right . I have my own family. Right . So as we all do. Right. So, so as we all do. Right. So, um, my family and my um, you know, my family and my life in california is as it is. You know, i will ive got other trips planned , um, that would trips planned, um, that would take me through the uk or back to the uk. Um, so , you know, to the uk. Um, so, you know, ill stop in and see my family as much as i can now , weve as much as i can now, weve already had a few emails on this. The inbox is going wild. And ill bring you those, uh, messages in a second. But the interview that harry did with good america fuelled Good Morning America is fuelled speculation begin speculation that he could begin to relations with his to repair relations with his father brother, william, father and brother, william, which of course, have become very he and very strained since he and meghan back from their meghan stepped back from their dufies meghan stepped back from their duties working royals. But duties as working royals. But could we see the duke becoming a working royal again, joining me now is former ukip leader henry bolton and former labour mp stephen pound. Henry i see youve come with your childs tie. Today was that was that a coincidence . Well, it was total coincidence . Well, it was total coincidence in fact, i didnt know that we were going to discuss particularly. I discuss this particularly. I mean, should got on mean, we should have got you on the really . As the by elections. Really . But as youre the charles tie, youre wearing the charles tie, what do you reckon these what do you reckon about these reports that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into the at harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into the royalry may come back into the royal fold royal, albeit temporarily . I think theres a very, very long to travel long journey for him to travel before he would be able to become working member of the become a working member of the royal family again. I mean , you royal family again. I mean, you know, even you think about know, even if you think about making him honorary colonel making him an honorary colonel of regiment in the british of a regiment in the british army, um, some thing like that, then actually other soldiers in that regiment are going to think, well, hang on minute. Think, well, hang on a minute. Weve bombed with harry weve been bombed off with harry here. Mean, here. We dont really. I mean, theres issues. I theres all sorts of issues. I think, you know, the think, you know, i trust the king. A wise king. I think hes a wise statesman , and he has been statesman, and he has been around the houses when it comes to this sort of thing. So he might of touch on might be out of touch on some things, know, in this matter things, you know, in this matter of opinion. This knows things, you know, in this matter of family. This knows things, you know, in this matter of family. Knows s knows things, you know, in this matter of family. Knows the knows things, you know, in this matter of family. Knows the issues. His family. He knows the issues. And i you know, in a sense, its not for to us judge whether whether or not, if ever there is a time for harry to sort of move back into the working side of it i but but that said henry, the late queen said harry and late queen said that harry and meghan half in, half meghan couldnt be half in, half out. Wouldnt. She wouldnt out. She wouldnt. She wouldnt have what being have wanted what is being proposed or mooted. This morning there is nothing now at the present time, the answer is no. Present time, the answer is no. Harry has spent many years undermining his position as a as a working member of the royal family. It would take him 2 or 3 times as many years. I would suggest, to be able to regain the trust of the british people andindeed the trust of the british people and indeed of the king and perhaps his brother as well, and indeed of the king and perhaps his brother as well , to perhaps his brother as well, to be able to come back. I think its a very, very distant and faint possibility. I dont think its on the cards, and i certainly wouldnt support it at this time. I think it would be a very risky and dangerous move at a time the royal family , a time when the royal family, anyway, dealing with a period anyway, is dealing with a period of change. The problem just cant the problem is he just cant seem his mouth shut. He seem to keep his mouth shut. He came, to see his dad. Came, he came to see his dad. If i the king i wouldnt if i was the king i wouldnt bnng if i was the king i wouldnt brirnow think he had now i think he had a wonderful, brilliant visual metaphor in you had metaphor just now in you had prince hurtling downhill prince harry hurtling downhill at great speed. Yeah on that one. And hes now wandering around. Hes like one of those london taxis with a four higher sign flashing. Hes saying, id be come back help be happy to come back and help if know, like if im needed. You know, like im free. Im sorry. Im free. Im free. Im sorry. If king wants prince harry if the king wants prince harry to in, he will ask him. To step in, he will ask him. Prince doesnt need to prince harry doesnt need to go around a sandwich board around with a sandwich board saying, im for hire. Around with a sandwich board saywhat m for hire. Around with a sandwich board saywhat door hire. Around with a sandwich board saywhat do youire. Around with a sandwich board saywhat do you make of fact what do you make of the fact hes done this interview . Basically gobbing off to american tv this american breakfast tv this morning. A lot of people have said, wrong. Said, actually, i got it wrong. I thought harry was going to spill beans, was spill the beans, but he was quite in comments. Spill the beans, but he was quit my in comments. Spill the beans, but he was quitmy argument comments. Spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is comments. Spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that ments. Spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that he nts. Spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that he would but my argument is that he would have beforehand they have known beforehand that they would question. Would have asked that question. If cared. He could if he really cared. He could have guys, dont ask have just said, guys, dont ask me about my dads health. He have done 100. And he could have done that would have had to that and they would have had to have that and they would have had to hav fascinating about that was was fascinating about that was when they said to he said, was fascinating about that was whe know, said to he said, was fascinating about that was whe know, said you he said, was fascinating about that was whe know, said you thoughtaid, was fascinating about that was whe know, said you thought about you know, have you thought about being an american citizen . I dont aware that dont know if hes aware that under constitution, under the american constitution, if of if you become a citizen of the united to United States, you have to renounce all your titles. Now, thats bit well, thats going to be a bit well, thats going to be a bit well, that him that would leave him skin, wouldnt that would leave him skin, wouldrwouldnt do that. He wouldnt want to do that. Well i think meghan might have harry. E e. W might have no, no, no, she might have something it. Something to say about it. Do you see harry as british . Still. F f do you know i dont in a funny of i hes funny sort of way. I think hes transatlantic at moment. Transatlantic at the moment. I mean, to quote the late her majesty, its half majesty, you know, its the half in, so in, half out. I mean, he so sorry, yu, agree. Sorry, cindy yu, i agree. We cant agree. I mean, i we cant agree. Henrik. Well, we know, i know, were supposed fight were supposed to fight and argue outside, argue on this program outside, but i when harry started , first but i when harry started, first started to get, uh , you know, started to get, uh, you know, cause cause waves. And i think cause cause waves. And i think meghans got a huge amount of answering to do in that respect. But i said, you know , i hope but i said, you know, i hope they go off to america , have they go off to america, have a family, live a happy, quiet life, Great Success and yeah, and do their thing but separate themselves from the public life of the royal family in the United Kingdom. Can i . And they United Kingdom. Can i . And they failed to that. The failed to do that. The insistently tried to re engage insistently tried to re engage in edward vii, as you know, after abdicated , he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bdicated , he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and then off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and then he to govern bermuda and then he went and lived paris. Went and lived in paris. Never foot back in he never set foot back in this country. W can i play devils advocate and your job, ben . And say, thats your job, ben . Thats what of course. Thats what we havent has said, and many harry has said, and many other people have said that , you other people have said that, you know, at times of serious illness or concerning illness, as weve seen with the king, illness or concerning illness, as witse seen with the king, illness or concerning illness, as wits right| with the king, illness or concerning illness, as wits right that] the king, illness or concerning illness, as wits right that people,|g, illness or concerning illness, as wits right that people, you that its right that people, you know, if theres going to any know, if theres going to be any positives kind of positives from that kind of scenario, its that its a unifier family relations and unifier for family relations and its a good opportunity, opportunity to heal rifts and whatnot. It not right that whatnot. Is it not right that harry has come back and is opening i would say quite opening now . I would say quite a penod opening now . I would say quite a period of silence on his part would be greatly, greatly welcomed. Youre absolutely right. In times of family crisis, the family gathers around bed. Times of family crisis, the famall gathers around bed. Times of family crisis, the fam all gatheithat. Und bed. Times of family crisis, the famallgatheithat. But bed. Times of family crisis, the famallgatheithat. But in bed. Times of family crisis, the famall gatheithat. But in thisi we all know that. But in this particular hes not adding particular case, hes not adding anything. Quite honestly, anything. And quite honestly, i dont know mind of king dont know the mind of king charles. You know, i only met dont know the mind of king charonceou know, i only met dont know the mind of king charonce or know, i only met dont know the mind of king charonce or twice. I only met dont know the mind of king charonce or twice. Wenly met dont know the mind of king charonce or twice. We didntt him once or twice. We didnt have discussions. Have these deep discussions. He like as a man . The whats he like as a man . The king, stilted when king, he was a bit stilted when i the other i met him, but on the other hand, he said, oh, hello, youre from you . From ealing, arent you . , very good comedies. Uh, very good comedies. Uh, very good comedies. Said me. But look. No, he said to me. But look. No, he thousands people. He beats thousands of people. Millions look , i millions of people. But look, i really actually is really doubt that he actually is longing and hoping for prince harry to make this. I think it have been harry to make this. Moreik it have been harry to make this. More tasteful have been harry to make this. More tasteful if have been harry to make this. More tasteful if wed been harry to make this. More tasteful if wed heard far more tasteful if wed heard afterwards that harry had come oven afterwards that harry had come over. Difficult. Over. Thats maybe difficult. But remember the that but also remember the that prince harry wasnt making life any easier for the queen when the duke of edinburgh was ill, and fact , he the duke of edinburgh was ill, and fact, he didnt make he and in fact, he didnt make he wasnt cover himself wasnt exactly cover himself in glory when the queen herself was. Well, thats a thats a very good point. Its a bit, a bit so now its a bit, a bit difficult for him to say yes. You know, id this you know, id like this reconciliation hes reconciliation. Maybe hes learning maybe as hes learning a lesson, maybe as hes growing and maturity , hes growing and maturity, hes starting to realise the error of his but as i say, his ways. But i say as i say, its going to take many, its going to take him many, many, many years and a lot of effort to regain the trust , effort to regain the trust, probably of his own family. But also of the british people and he cant come back into a public role in the royal family until he has done that. And i, as king, i would keep him well away. The same thing would apply to prince andrew. Prince andrew obviously saying that hed quite like to come back, but i dont think happen. Think its going to happen. Make quite yeah, well you make quite a good there all the good point there about all the times of, you times that hes kind of, you know, call it know, some would call it betraying even betraying his family. Even recently, meghan recently, when harry and meghan went to cavort with went to jamaica to cavort with the minister who was an the Prime Minister who was an avowed anti monarchist who actually wants leave the actually wants to leave the commonwealth at the time, by the way, that trip at way, they did that trip at a time when was the princess time when kate was the princess of in hospital for of wales, was in hospital for serious charles serious abdominal and charles was having that first visit for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate hat first visit for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate situation ilsll for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate situation. Sit for the prostate situation. Thats appalling. Yeah, no. Thats appalling. It dreadful youd yeah, no. Thats appalling. It theydeadful youd yeah, no. Thats appalling. It theyd actually youd yeah, no. Thats appalling. It theyd actually use ud yeah, no. Thats appalling. It theyd actually use their think theyd actually use their heads, almost like heads, but its almost like that. Theyre anywhere theyll go. A go. If somebodys opening a fridge theyll be there at go. If somebodys opening a frid moment. Heyll be there at the moment. Well, course theyre not well, of course theyre not here to defend themselves. And they time they they said at the time that they were marley. Were going for a bob marley. I think it was bob marley. Was think it was bob marley. It was it first. It was the first. They should they should but they should they should surely. Unless are surely. I mean, unless they are really stupid than really far more stupid than i think are , surely they think even they are, surely they know the impact this is having, the effect its happening, how it. Um, you know, i cant it looks. Um, you know, i cant believe that its anything but a conscious decision to ignore the negative impact. And why would negative impact. And why would that be . One can only speculate. Im not inside their heads. Im not inside their circle. But but its i think like most people, its i think like most people, its probably because they want the publicity. Lets lets give one bit of credit. He he fought fought heroically for this country. He heroically for this country. He was in the line of fire. He did that which not many of us, steven, but also, i have to say, henry, the invictus games, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, lictus games, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying ames, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying tribute vhich steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying tribute to ch is, you know, paying tribute to disabled is, you know, paying tribute to disablecis a brilliant piece of women, is a brilliant piece of work and, you know, cant he concentrate that and leave concentrate on that and leave the of him becoming angry , the idea of him becoming angry, but regards to but with, with regards to afghanistan , he, you know, afghanistan, he, you know, talking about the number of people he killed in this sort of thing. I mean, im ex military. Youre ex military. Um, you know, i was in afghanistan for two and a half months. You dont talk about that sort of thing unless know, youre unless either, you know, youre bigging or. And its bigging yourself up or. And its probably at least partly full. Made a great. It made it made a great. It made a great his book. Well, great chapter of his book. Well, well isnt well, thats the point, isnt it . Stephen it . Henry bowles and stephen pound, you much. Pound, thank you so much. Insightful as ever from the devils advocate. Thats crazy. Thats thats crazy. Thats thats crazy. The expert. Youre watching the expert. Youre watching listening to gb news saturday with ben. Lots more with me. Ben. Leo. Lots more coming todays show, coming up on todays show, including Donald Trumps 350 Million Court fine. Plus, while Million Court fine. Plus, while the uk slips into a, well, so called technical recession this week, chancellor jeremy hunt reckons the news isnt as bad as it seems. And youre not going to want to miss this new clip from rishi sunak explaining like a school teacher, why youre all skint, all of that and more to come. Youre watching, listening to news, watching, listening to gb news, britains news channel. Radio. Welcome back here with ben lio on gb news saturday here on gb news. Were going to dive deep into the economy now despite pledges from rishi sunak to save the economy this week, the uk entered whats called a technical recession after a dismal latest set of gdp figures. The chancellor, jeremy hunt , says despite this, the hunt, says despite this, the economy quote, turning economy is, quote, turning a corner. But official figures show it shrank by 0. 3 at the end of last year following a penod end of last year following a period of decline in the previous three months. The definition, of course, of a recession. Its the first time the uks has dropped since the uks gdp has dropped since the uks gdp has dropped since the first of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first covid lockdown, and mr hunt theres light at hunt insists theres light at the the tunnel. Heres the end of the tunnel. Heres what say. What he had to say. We always expected growth to be weaker while we prioritise tackling inflation. That means higher Interest Rates and thats the right thing to do because you cant have a long terme. Healthy growth with high inflation, but also families inflation, but also for families when the when theres a cost of living crisis , thats when the living crisis, thats when the cost of their weekly is cost of their weekly shop is going cost of their weekly shop is goiitheir energy bills much higher. The right thing to do. Its the right thing to do. Its the right thing to do. The underlying picture here is an economy that is more resilient than most people predicted. Inflation is coming down. Inflation is coming down. Real wages have been going up now for six months and if we stick to our guns , independent stick to our guns, independent forecasters say that by the early summer we could start to see Interest Rates falling. See Interest Rates falling. Cole hunts dull as dishwater, isnt he . Joining me dishwater, isnt he . Joining me now is economist and co founder of investment advisers. You can hear him laughing in the background regionally, Justin Urquhart stewart. Justin, lets be frank. The tories need to go for growth. And liz truss right . Oh, but what shes saying was right is how she went about it. That was wrong. Of course were going to have to have growth. You a growing going to have to have growth. You yourea growing going to have to have growth. You youre going inghave economy. Youre going to have serious of serious trouble indeed. But of course, also course, remember, this is also a global the moment. All global issue at the moment. All go into europe. Economies there youll find economies there very, very frankly with very, very flat. Frankly with yields up 1. 1 or or down, yields up 1. 1 or 0. 3 or down, they get revised in three months time anyway. Nearly different. So what you could do is longer tum trend and its lower slower growth. They need to slower growth. What they need to do now the one word that do now is get the one word that runs economy confidence runs an economy, a confidence that confidence in say where that the confidence in say where is the growth occurring. And i is the growth occurring. And i know growing. Youd know where its growing. Youd see around mostly see it. Its around mostly Technology Companies around those hubs. Find silicon youll find silicon roundabout, silicon glen fen, call it what you like and these are high tech internet businesses often get bought up by overseas because we dont fund them properly. So weve good on technology. At actually were good at actually starting. Businesses were rotten at growing. At actually growing. Can i just raise one point with from figures . With you from these gdp figures . I as far as im so i mean, as far as im concerned, blows the concerned, it blows apart the age tale that age old wives tale that immigration beneficial to the immigration is beneficial to the economy because gdp per head contracted by nought point 7. Thus, despite net migration figures of what, 745,000 in 2022, 672,000, in the 12 months to june last year. 2022, 672,000, in the 12 months to june last year. A city the to june last year. A city the size of birmingham every two years. Yet gdp per head is contracting. Contracting. Yep. And what youre also seeing with this is a number of people who, after the pandemic, didnt go back work again. Didnt go back to work again. Theyve whatever theyve decided for whatever reason, opting it. Were opting out of it. They got taste the good life here. This is where you need to incentivise people to incentivise those people to get back start back in to and start participating. Are participating. If people are working paying tax, working, theyre paying tax, theyre paying the theyre paying tax. The governments happier. Youve got to the economy, to actually boost the economy, not cuts. Get the not by tax cuts. Get the incentives there. People can invest in so people can invest in businesses and they get will get tax benefits on it. Weve got Something Like that now. The enterprise investment scheme, but its quite small, will on regional will now do that on a regional basis. No shortage of basis. Theres no shortage of money. Therefore you actually then get then region youre going to get more investment, create more jobs. More investment, create more jobs. And theyre jobs. And whether theyre immigrants domestic , well, immigrants or domestic, well, frankly, guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls are guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls are already and guys and girls are already there. So get them trained into there. So get them trained into the those areas. The into those areas. Laymans terms, so just in laymans terms, justin, no cuts for justin, why no tax cuts for growth . Growth . Tax cuts dont really have much of an impact because what you is youve the you find is youve got the wealthy tax cut. Wealthy people get a tax cut. Theyre going save theyre probably going to save it its going it actually, if its going to be at end the scale, at the lower end of the scale, guarantee will guarantee that they will actually spend actually go out and spend it because they need to know what you need get you need to do is get the confidence back in there. So businesses attracting businesses are attracting more investment , attract more investment, attract more investment, attract more investment funnily investment there. Funnily enough, business will, enough, actually business will, you know, further business from overseas you get overseas comes in. So you get that people are that idea that people are feeling actually its not quite as as we thought it was. As bad as we thought it was. Yes, the figures are are not are not that encouraging but not in that encouraging but actually of this, actually underlying all of this, there are growth areas. Focus on those tax cuts to the wealthy. Well it may sound like a good highlight, doesnt help highlight, but it doesnt help the i just get thoughts can i just get your thoughts on this clip that rishi sunak put days ago . It was put out some days ago . It was explaining people about explaining to, to people about why we had inflation, why the economy is doing quite badly. Um and were just trying to get it now. So i dont know if you saw it, sunak at a it, but it was sunak at a whiteboard. Being very whiteboard. Yeah. Um, being very patronising , i say so patronising, if i may say so myself. A massive circle saying, well, take a look. Weve well, lets take a look. Weve got the clip. Got it. I i wanted to talk you little bit to talk to you a little bit about going on the about whats going on in the economy plan that were economy and the plan that were working towards. I wanted to but before then, i wanted to take the context take you back to the context that ourselves in. We that we found ourselves in. We all remember covid and the enormous it had on all of enormous impact it had on all of us. Of that, we did us. And because of that, we did a lot of things to get the country through covid, like supporting the nhs vaccine programme, furlough. Those programme, furlough. Those things cost around £400 billion, with all the other support we provided and just as we were recovering from covid, we saw a war when russia invaded ukraine. That meant that everyones energy bills went up. But all of energy bills went up. But all of these things meant that we saw high inflation and thats what caused all the pressure with the cost of living. Cost of living. So hes been accused of gaslighting the public with that clip. And also, i have a question as well for you, the expert. He doesnt mention quantitative easing printing money going money like its going out of fashion. Course, fashion. The us, of course, printed a third their entire printed a third of their entire money in just was about a money supply in just was about a year 12 is he gaslighting the public . Well, mean , hes making up well, i mean, hes making up excuses that you actually know where the problems where are where are the problems here. To come up here. And hes trying to come up with idea to we with a simple idea as to how we can control it. This is can try and control it. This is a global issue as much as anything we with anything else. What we saw with inflation coming was not consumer old british consumer demand. The old british form of inflation will be people are much they are spending too much and they ended putting up rates. The ended up putting up rates. The bank rates for bank of england put up rates for something cant control, something they cant control, just Interest Rates just putting up Interest Rates does not affect the supply chain coming china. And because coming out of china. And because were position where the were in a position where the supply so taut that supply routes were so taut that one tanker getting stuck in the suez and the whole thing suez canal and the whole thing stops, the banking bank stops, should the banking bank of england up rates of england have put up rates harder and faster, should harder and faster, it should have rates up ago to have popped rates up ages ago to a long terme level. But because remember, these were emergency rates in when we rates that came in and when we had crisis, what had the banking crisis, what they doing is they should be doing now is telling are going telling us the rates are going to be coming down, inflation is coming down and therefore in a position give them coming down and therefore in a positi. It comes as lord cameron warned of consequences for russia this morning as vigils and protests were held across the world in support of Vladimir Putins most vocal critic. Putins most vocal critic. Crowds gathered outside the Russian Embassy in london, laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death. The Foreign Office summoned Russian Diplomats last night, Foreign Office summoned Russian Diplomats last night , though the diplomats last night, though the ambassador was reportedly too ill to attend with the deputy sent instead. Those gathered at sent instead. Those gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury , with voiced their fury, with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin, while the ukrainian president called for more International Assistance for his countrys war with moscow. In other news, with moscow. In other news, a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was Prime Minister. Thats according to new analysis by the labour party. They say its proof the governments focus on the rwanda plan isnt enough to solve the crisis. The government insists crisis. The government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier. Year down more than a third compared to a year earlier. And compared to a year earlier. And farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. Furious at what they say are cheap, international imports. Cheap, international imports. Around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near doven tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Theyre aiming to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britains Food Security. See, they say Food Security. See, they say they cant compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done, british farmers wont be able to afford to feed the british. Public. And to feed the british. Public. And for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news dot common alerts now its back to ben. Now its back to ben. Thanks for fear. 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Thousands of pro palestine supporters are marching in Central London, calling an immediate calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza. Well be ceasefire in gaza. Well be there, live all of that and more to on. Ben elliott, and to come on. Ben elliott, and youre and listening youre watching and listening to gb britains news channel. Across s youre listening to gb news radio. News radio. Welcome back to gb news saturday. Youre with me, ben leo on tv, online and digital radio. Should we get stuck into some of your emails . Uh, says your emails . Uh, john says labour have said they will not have a cap on the number of people can apply for asylum people who can apply for asylum if they in people if they get in power. People who enter country illegally are enter this country illegally are getting up hostels or getting put up in hostels or brand blocks, and brand new apartment blocks, and houses are being bought for them, of british them, uh, ahead of british families. Youre families. I think youre referring that story referring to john, that story from the other day about the home up 16,000 home office snapping up 16,000 homes to house some 60,000 asylum seekers, despite that, around 4 million brits needing homes. Uh, james says harry and homes. Uh, james says harry and meghan will never be accepted back as part of the uk royal family. Myself or the family. By myself or the majority of my friends and most of in the of the patriotic people in the uk. Since leaving the royal family uk, done family and the uk, theyve done nothing this nothing to promote or help this country no recognise country. I no longer recognise him prince of the uk. Its him as prince of the uk. Its pretty strong. Royal pretty strong. All the royal family. Hard to disagree family. Its hard to disagree there. James weve had years and years of constant slanging. So yeah , you have to judge people yeah, you have to judge people by their content of their character and not what they say. Uh, should we get stuck into these pro palestine , uh, these pro palestine, uh, palestine process . Suella braverman of course, some weeks ago, call them hate marches, but theres one taking place again in london today , uh, calling for in london today, uh, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. An immediate ceasefire in gaza. The protesters, speak , are the protesters, as we speak, are filling the streets of the caphal filling the streets of the capital, waving palestinian filling the streets of the capiteand aving palestinian filling the streets of the capiteand holdinglestinian filling the streets of the capiteand Holding Placards flags and Holding Placards calling for palestinian freedom and an end to the war in gaza. And i might add, by the way, youre probably going to find 1 or 2, um, idiots waving pro hamas pro houthi rebel pro hamas or pro houthi rebel placards or flags as well. Joining me now is, uh, gb News Reporter will hollis, whos on the ground in london. Well good afternoon, my friend. Whats going on . Well, theres expected to be hundreds of thousands of people here joining this march. Today. Its the ninth global day of action global because this kind of a march is happening across the entire world, not just happening here in the capital city, london, and where we are right now is just on the edge of hyde park. And you can edge of hyde park. And you can see in the background that there are literally hundreds, thousands of people passing us right one right now. And this is just one small of a very long small section of a very long parade that is snaking down towards the Israeli Embassy. Towards the Israeli Embassy. Now, this has been organised by the stop the War Coalition and also the palestine solidarity campaign. Now, why is it important that theyre heading towards the Israeli Embassy . Well, theyre theyre calling for an immediate ceasefire and theyve been doing so every month or so since those attacks took place on the 7th of october, where around 1200 people were killed in israel by hamas. Since then, though, 28,000 people have been killed in the conflict since may, most of them palestinian men, women and children. As israel goes into gaza strip trying to, as they would say, wipe out hamas because they say that you cant have peace without wiping out hamas. So what you can see right now front is a sea of now in front of us is a sea of palestinian flags. Red black, white and green. And theyre white and green. And theyre heading down park lane right now. What youll also be able to see is a lot of yellow jackets, because thats the police. Now, the commander of this particular protest, the met Police Officer in charge , says that the in charge, says that the conflict in the middle east continues to have a polarising and profound effect on the capital city. There are 1500 Police Patrolling the streets of the capital today, and that includes for things like football. But the commander says that there is a lot of them that are specifically on this are working specifically on this protest. Now, as you said, ben in the intro, what theyre mainly looking for is anything that incites hatred , anything that incites hatred, anything that incites hatred, anything that racism or glorifies that incites racism or glorifies the proscribed terrorist organisation, which is hamas. This week we saw that go to the court. Those three people convicted of terror charges for displaying paragliders on their bodies as well on placards. So theyve actually been giving out flyers to tell people what is within the law and what isnt. They said you can have a voice , they said you can have a voice, you can protest, you can let people know you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|cant|ow you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|cant incite you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|cant incite racism think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|cant incite racism or nk, but you cant incite racism or hatred. Now why is this all particularly important this week, ben . Well, in parliament, were going to be seeing another vote on a ceasefire as the snp puts forward that motion and a lot of eyes will be on keir starmer and whether hell be telling his mps to abstain in that vote on the ground in london. Thanks very much. Its almost like a lottery every saturday afternoon, isnt it . How many people are going to be nicked you know, pulled up nicked or, you know, pulled up for, for spewing, hate ful for, for spewing, uh, hate ful rhetoric . Lets to scotland , rhetoric . Lets go to scotland, where our scottish reporter tony maguire is reporting on the pro palestine march up there. Pro palestine march up there. Um, is it the case that that march is going to end up or at least pass the scottish labour conference yes, tony. Yes. Good afternoon. That is yes. Good afternoon. That is indeed the case. Im here at the Scottish Event Centre on the clyde side of glasgow , and this clyde side of glasgow, and this is where the march is headed from about 1 00 this afternoon. Scottish Palestinian Solidarity Campaign protesters are going to march from the centre of glasgow here to the clyde side, where the scottish labour conference has been happening. Now. Yesterday anas sarwar scottish labour leader , he gave a rousing labour leader, he gave a rousing 70 minute speech in which he called again for an immediate ceasefire and he urged everybody to be able to separate the people of gaza as well from hamas as well as the people of israel, from Benjamin Netanyahus government, which he said neither of those groups want peace whatsoever. Now, um, here at scottish labour Conference Today , a motion was Conference Today, a motion was passed that support would support a ceasefire. Um, and the vote and certainly the snp were out early this morning campaigning for scottish labour to whip. Essentially the two to whip. Essentially the two labour mp mps north of the border here. And that vote when it hits the commons next week. Now were still a little while away from seeing the protest that, um, arrive here at the sec at the minute. The Loudest Group and unfortunately , is the groups and unfortunately, is the groups heading into the wedding show, which is happening behind me. Which is happening behind me. But needless to say, a large Police Scotland presence here to make sure that no civilians or any of the delegates that the labour party are caught in any kind of altercations so far, peaceful here. But its early days in glasgow. Days in glasgow. Tony mcguire in scotland. Thanks very much. Its a great advert, isnt it, for, uh, for london, come to london, come shopping down Oxford Street or come and enjoy yourself somewhere down Regent Street and fill your boots. But ill maybe not. Theres thousands of people waving palestinian flags you waving palestinian flags and you know , as said, supporting know, as i said, some supporting the houthis or hamas in the process. Uh, right. This the houthis or hamas in the process. Uh, right. This is gb news saturday with me, ben leo. Lots more coming up on todays show, including striker show, including french striker and wonderkid mbappe. He and wonderkid kylian mbappe. He says he to leave paris says he wants to leave Paris Saint Germain this summer, but will see the cup winner will we see the world cup winner in league . Hopefully in the premier league . Hopefully at arsenal all of that and more to come. Youre watching, listening to gb news, britains news channel. News radio. Hello, my friends. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben liu, on your tv, online and digital radio. Lets get stuck into some sports, shall we . And no, better to do that with than resident sport expert aidan magee. Good to see you, ben. How are you . Im fine. How are well, thank are you . Yeah. Very well, thank you. Im hoping youre going to bnng you. Im hoping youre going to bring some good about bring me some good news about kylian arsenal. F well, it was interesting because mikel arteta was speaking this week, speaking about it this week, wasnt and didnt wasnt he, ben . And he didnt close potential close the door on a potential for now i think its very for a bid. Now i think its very much of got nothing to much kind of hes got nothing to lose linking arsenal lose by linking. Linking arsenal with because he with the player because if he says not, were not says im not, were not interested. We dont want be interested. We dont want to be part of the conversation on it says, are going . Says, well, where are you going . Where get where are you going to get a striker because striker from then . Because everyone need everyone knows arsenal need a strike. One this strike. If they have one this season, think be 5 or 6 season, i think theyd be 5 or 6 points premier points clear in the premier league but league title race. But realistically, i was realistically, if i was a betting theyre betting man, id say theyre probably get probably about 10 to 1 to get it. I think odds on favourites have to be madrid, partly have to be real madrid, partly because cause theyre the only ones enough wage ones with a balmy enough Wage Structure to even contemplate the kind numbers. The kind of numbers. Yes, hes going transfer the kind of numbers. Yes, hes going at transfer the kind of numbers. Yes, hes going at tof|sfer the kind of numbers. Yes, hes going at tof his because at the end of his contract. The signing fee because at the end of his contracould the signing fee because at the end of his contracould be re signing fee because at the end of his contracould be insigning fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess of fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess of £1e alone could be in excess of £1 million. So the signing on fee alone could excess of £130 alone could be in excess of £130 million, wages could million, while the wages could be around £1. 1 million per week a week , a week, a million a a week, a week, a million a week. Thats more than you get here. There isnt. Yeah, right there on our screens now. There is. On our screens now. Yes. Well thats messy there, but there is. Thats but there it is. Yeah. Thats right. Good. Right. Explain why hes so good. Is the best player in is he still the best player in the those maybe the world . For those who maybe dont i dont follow football so much i dont. Best player in the world to me be striker me can really be a striker because doesnt. Its not because it doesnt. Its not a position where you show full position where you show the full range we of the grades, we when we think of the grades, we think midfielders, think of midfielders, playmakers, platini, zidane and anyone who anyone else you can think of who played in diego maradona, for example, werent really out and out. However, he won out strikers. However, he won the world cup at 18 in in russia with france in 2018. But i dont really think you can be considered the best player in the world irrespective of your position. If youve only played your League Football france, your League Football in france, its the third or its probably the third or fourth europe. To fourth best league in europe. To really your mettle and really prove your mettle and really prove your mettle and really that youve done it, really show that youve done it, you do messi and you need to do what messi and ronaldo have done. You need to have either the have played in either the premier league in england or in spain, or preferably both. Premier league in england or in speronaldo, ferably both. Premier league in england or in spe ronaldo, ferably way,. Premier league in england or in speronaldo, ferably way,. My ronaldo, by the way, is my favourite ever player. A massive ronaldo, of ronaldo, ronaldo every day of the week. Is more gifted. The week. Messi is more gifted. Hes hes got gods gift. Hes got, hes got gods gift. You mean r9 . You mean r9 . Yeah yeah okay, fine. You mean r9 . So yeah yeah okay, fine. You mean r9 . So uh ah yeah okay, fine. You mean r9 . So uh yeah ah okay, fine. You mean r9 . So uh yeah thatsy, fine. You mean r9 . So uh yeah thats fine. E. You mean r9 . So uh yeah thats fine. £1 yeah. So uh yeah thats fine. £1 million a week though. I mean, is going to be a world . Is that going to be a world . It could be. It could be. Could more. Well, we it could be more. Well, we dont know. We dont necessarily know when talk dont know. We dont necessarily know wages, when talk dont know. We dont necessarily know wages, oftenien talk dont know. We dont necessarily know wages, often a] talk dont know. We dont necessarily know wages, often a guess, lk about wages, its often a guess, a guesstimate game by journalists. Mean not. Journalists. I mean its not. The is the details the reality is that the details of, especially of, of contracts, especially when the club or when they make the club bad or look a little bit look bad or look a little bit profligate, you dont really get an accurate number. Yeah, an accurate number. But yeah, i mean, up mean, it would certainly be up there. No question it. There. No question about it. Think ever well, i dont think its ever going happen, but lets hope going to happen, but lets hope he he said he said, well he said he said he said lets want be part of said lets we want to be part of the conversation. Said lets we want to be part of the conv thinkin. I think but i think yeah, i think i think, i think you can say that when, know, players when, you know, the players going madrid. Yeah, sure. Okay. Shall we move to on sir chris yes. Got a hes chris hoy . Yes. Hes got a hes come that hes, come out and said that hes, hes fighting cancer. Hasnt hes fighting cancer. He hasnt been on though been too specific on what though has he. No, been circum no, no hes been quite circum spect that. Didnt say spect about that. He didnt say what exactly the type of cancer he was, which it difficult he was, which makes it difficult even amateur sleuth to even for an amateur sleuth to make any estimations as to what the prognosis might but hes the prognosis might be. But hes undergone chemotherapy , rather undergone chemotherapy, rather chillingly for the sake chillingly said, for the sake of my family, i had hoped to my young family, i had hoped to keep information private, keep this information private, but regrettably hand has but regrettably our hand has been thankful been forced. While im thankful for thankful for support id for thankful for any support id like with privately like to deal with this privately so suggests to me that so it suggests to me that someone on verge someone was on the verge of revealing the news, and felt revealing the news, and he felt he had jump the gun tell he had to jump the gun to tell everyone he was everyone about it. And so he was diagnosed as i say , diagnosed last year. As i say, chemotherapy, its going be chemotherapy, its going to be very he did very invasive, but he did say hed hed hopeful of doing hed be hed be hopeful of doing some some commentary. Duty for the olympics summer i i kl b that that little note i read that that little note about forced, and about his hand being forced, and it would suggest that a it would suggest that maybe a newspaper someone , it was newspaper or someone, it was thinking running the story. Thinking of running the story. But worked in newspapers but ive worked in newspapers for a, i was at for years. I was at a, i was at the for likewise. Yeah, the sun for likewise. Yeah, yeah. They cant just print yeah. So they cant just print stories Peoples Health . Stories about Peoples Health . No. No. It needs to be 20 years ago. They cant anymore. They dont. They cant anymore. They dont. Look, mean, we dont yeah. Look, i mean, we dont know. I mean, know. Youre right. I mean, i dont know, he could be talking about something else. Hes not actually actually actually hes not actually specifically actually hes not actually specifi itlly actually hes not actually specifi it could be it could be mean, it could be it could be a rogue account on social media or something. Know, just we something. You know, we just we just dont know. He was just dont know. But he was talking about privacy and, uh, but, he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat aboute he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat about it. He talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat about it. He he was quite upbeat about it. He said going said the chemotherapy is going well. He said its an exciting year ahead, least year of work ahead, not least with july. With the Paris Olympics in july. I wait stuck in, i cant wait to get stuck in, have share it all with have fun and share it all with you. Surrounded you. And he said hes surrounded with love to with love and wed all love to be in position. Be in that position. Just to show no it just goes to show no matter you you know, matter who you are, you know, sir hoy, a great olympian, sir chris hoy, a great olympian, absolutely a fiddle. Oh, i mean, goodness me. Look, at list. Look, look, look at the list. Look, look, look at the list. Look the of achievements look, look, look at the list. Look i the of achievements look, look, look at the list. Look i mean, of achievements look, look, look at the list. Look i mean, you achievements look, look, look at the list. Look i mean, you know, lements look, look, look at the list. Look i mean, you know, uh,ents look, look, look at the list. Look i mean, you know, uh, won here. I mean, you know, uh, won silver in sydney part silver in sydney as part of a team gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, golat athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, golat london s, three at beijing, two at london 2012. Most 2012. I mean, the most successful track cyclist of all time, successful track cyclist of all tim uh, roy hodgson, crystal uh, roy hodgson, Crystal Palace manager. Hes been taken ill, hasnt he . Yeah, he has actually. Hes on verge of being sacked on the verge of being sacked this still in this weekend. So hes still in hospital far know, hospital as far as we know, undergoing awaiting undergoing tests. Were awaiting a palace. A statement from Crystal Palace. I theyll something a statement from Crystal Palace. I today. � ll something a statement from Crystal Palace. I today. � ll s yeah,ing a statement from Crystal Palace. I today. � ll s yeah, i g later today. Uh, but yeah, i mean, going mean, its difficult. Hes going to mean, can they to get sacked. I mean, can they sack club while hes sack a club legend while hes lying there hospital . Lying there in hospital . Its a little bit unedifying, isnt it . A crass, you a little bit crass, but, you know, they got a game at know, they got a game on at everton have everton on monday. They may have to. To everton. Are they away to everton. Are they away to everton. Indeed. Yeah they are indeed. Yeah they are indeed. Yeah and havent won and they havent won in how many it is they many games. Uh it is they havent many games. Uh it is they havint many games. Uh it is they havi think its three games. I think its three games. Three, last three, three wins in the last 19. Likewise hodgson you know likewise hodgson you know hes with hes had a bad spell with palace but a great bad. But hes a great bad. Yeah. Bad injuries bad injuries. Former england manager inter milan. But milan. Hes a hes a legend. But absolutely mason uniteds well played from 1880. Exactly. Yeah. Top man aidan magee thank you so much for your expertise. Uh, youre watching and listening saturday listening to gb news saturday with leo. Two more with me. Ben. Leo. Two more hours still come. Lucky hours still to come. You lucky people, including a judge, has ruled president ruled that former us president donald pay nearly donald trump must pay nearly £281 million to new york for state lying about the values of his properties. Says his properties. He says hes been up. It certainly been stitched up. It certainly looks like that. Uh, first, lets take a look at the weather with craig. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsor of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell looking ahead for the rest of this weekend. We will see a band of heavy rain across the country. Rain move across the country. Its courtesy of these its all courtesy of these weather fronts and they will just gradually spread way eastward. But with winds coming in from the southwest, is going be the southwest, it is going to be a mild weekend for all of us. So so this evening we can see the rain in the rain working its way in from the west. Outbreaks of west. Some heavy outbreaks of rain in it. So we do rain embedded in it. So we do have some warnings in force across parts of england. And wales. So there will be some fairly difficult driving conditions travelling conditions if you are travelling overnight tonight, but it will be a mild one. Temperatures for many staying in double figures across the south and these temperatures really are where we should be during course should be during the course of the night the day, not the night time. This time year. So a bit of a this time of year. So a bit of a slow start southeastern slow start across southeastern england. Still rain england. Still some heavy rain here, should dry up here, but it should dry up towards and for most towards lunchtime and for most of us it will be a brighter day. The better day of the two. But there still be a few there will still be a few showery outbreaks of rain around, especially during the middle of the day. For middle part of the day. But for all of us, a mild one. Temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. Having a look at monday, another spell of rain will move its way across the country. Either side, there will be some drier and brighter moments and again will be moments and again it will be feeling fairly mild for the time of year. Tuesday wednesday again of year. Tuesday wednesday again remaining fairly changeable. Further of rain, further spells of rain, especially during the middle of the temperatures for the week. But temperatures for all staying in double all of us staying in double figures day. Figures by day. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers spot of weather up. Boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news as well well. Well. Good afternoon to you and welcome to gb news saturday im ben leo, and for the next two hours ill be keeping you company on tv, online and digital radio. Ill keep you up to date on the stories that really matter to you, including coming up hour. Labour coming up this hour. Labour leader sir keir starmer says people are ready to put people are now ready to put their in a changed labour their faith in a changed labour party that follows the double win wellingborough win in wellingborough and kingswood elections win in wellingborough and kingswoodbutelections win in wellingborough and kingswood but rishi ons win in wellingborough and kingswoodbut rishi sunak , win in wellingborough and kingswood but rishi sunak , the yesterday. But rishi sunak, the prime the tories Prime Minister, says the tories and reform should unite to and reform uk should unite to beat starmer. Well be debating if hes right fairly shortly. If hes right fairly shortly. Then some might have thought that support for these so called hate marchers would have waned by now, but theyve been going on months. On for four consecutive months. Thousands of pro palestine supporters are marching in Central London today, calling for immediate ceasefire in for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. For an immediate ceasefire in gaza. Well be there, live on gaza. Well be there, live on the ground , and this got the ground, and this ones got the ground, and this ones got the stirring as prince the inbox stirring as prince harry gives his first interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeingtis first interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his irst interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father erview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father andew the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father and his since seeing his father and his cancer diagnosis. Hes hinted that the kings Health Battles could heal the rift within the royal family. So im asking today , are we heading for today, are we heading for a blockbuster royal reconciliation. Thanks for being with me today. As i said, the inbox is going wild for these prince harry uh, message about his potential. Um entry back into the royal family pat says very bluntly. Pat if harrys welcome back, i would vote for a republic. Linda says after all the awful things he said about the awful things he said about the royal family, harry should stay well away. He appears to have a very high opinion of himself and andy, on the palatine process, says as much as i agree to the right to protest, these palestinian supporters are no better than Just Stop Oil and extinction rebellion. Now remember, this rebellion. Now remember, this show is nothing without you and your views. Let me know your thoughts on all the stories thoughts on all of the stories well discussing email well be discussing today. Email me gbviews gbnews. Uk. Com or of me gbviews gbnews. Uk. Com or of course, message me our course, message me on our socials ill keeping a keen socials. Ill be keeping a keen eye them , but now, heres eye on them, but for now, heres the sofia. The news with sofia. Thanks, ben. Good afternoon. Its 1 01. Im thanks, ben. Good afternoon. Its1 01. Im sofia wenzel in the gb newsroom. Your top story this hour. Theyll be consequences for the death of Alexei Navalny. That was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met Foreign Ministers from the g7 in munich today. They took part in a minutes silence after vigils and protests were held across the world in support of Vladimir Putins most vocal critic, lord camerons comments were backed by sir keir starmer as crowds gathered outside the Russian Embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president held russian president be held accountable for death. Those accountable for his death. Those gathered the munich security gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy told the conference. The russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of Alexei Navalny. Of Alexei Navalny. Its absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian. State and he is of a russian. State and he is a thug who maintains power through corruption and violence , coming corruption and violence, coming to his so called. Inauguration, to his so called. Inauguration, sheikh his hand considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power. Very nature of political power. Meanwhile, the reaction across russian controlled media to Alexei Navalnys death has been minimal, with scant detail and little context about who he was. But its attracted more attention online, trending on some social media platforms as people were cautioned against taking part in mass gatherings. Though with police detaining at least 212 protesters, officers were seen this morning removing floral tributes to mr navalny, ensuring theres little evidence of the support he might have had. Marina litvinenko is the widow of alexander litvinenko, a former russian spy who was poisoned in london. She told gb news that the world must consider whether Vladimir Putin can be allowed to continue his brutal regime. Brutal regime. Do you accept putin as a leader of the country . Do you leader of the country . Do you believe you can negotiate with this regime . Do you believe you can trust . And this is a very can trust . And this is a very important and i think we will have not another chance to make any change for what is happening now to russia and what is happening to ukraine in other news, the third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place. While rishi sunak was Prime Minister. Thats to according new analysis by the labour party. Thats after 52 people reported he crossed the channel by small boat yesterday, meaning theres been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became Prime Minister. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said it was proof of the governments focus on its rwanda plan isnt enough solve the crisis , as enough to solve the crisis, as the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier , farmers in to a year earlier, farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket furious at what they say are cheap. International imports. Around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Theyre aiming to raise awareness to what they fear could be a threat to britains Food Security because of the unfair treatment of farmers by large retailers. They they large retailers. They say they cant , pete, with the cheap cant cope, pete, with the cheap foreign imports and unless something done, british something is done, british farmers wont be able to afford the feed to British Public. Donald trump has been ordered to pay donald trump has been ordered to pay 354. 9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. Inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. Hes also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. This latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to the republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the other legal battles, and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into a temporary royal role. While his father undergoes Cancer Treatment , undergoes Cancer Treatment, according to reports in the times , harry is said to have times, harry is said to have told friends hes willing to cover some duties while his father recovers. It comes after prince harry hinted at possible reconciliation with his father dunng reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television. Speaking to good television. Speaking to Good Morning America, he said he was grateful for the time he spent with his father during a short visit last week. For the latest visit last week. For the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com slash alerts now its back to ben. Ben. Thanks, sofia. Lets have thanks, sofia. Lets have another cracking hour, shall we . Starting with the by election bloodbath for the tories yesterday. Labour leader sir keir starmer. Hes reacted by saying that people are now ready to put their faith in a changed Labour Party Following that double win wellingborough and double win in wellingborough and kingswood. Minister kingswood. Um, Prime Minister rishi sunak says that the circumstances facing the tories are challenging a bit of an understatement, but insists labour doesnt have a plan. Take a look at this. Midterms by elections are always difficult for incumbent governments, and the circumstances of these by elections were, course, elections were, of course, particularly challenging. Now, particularly challenging. Now, i think if you look at the results, very low turnout and it shows that weve got work to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. And absolutely and thats what im absolutely determined to but shows and thats what im absolutely dete there d to but shows and thats what im absolutely dete there isnt but shows and thats what im absolutely dete there isnt huge shows that there isnt a huge amount of for the of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the labour party. And thats because have a plan. Because they dont have a plan. And if you dont plan, and if you dont have a plan, you cant deliver change. You cant deliver real change. And election and when the general election comes, thats message comes, thats the message ill be country. Be making to the country. Stick with because is with our plan because it is starting deliver the change with our plan because it is startthe deliver the change with our plan because it is startthe countryar the change with our plan because it is startthe country wants change with our plan because it is startthe country wants and ge with our plan because it is startthe country wants and needs right. Okay. Joining me now is gb News Reporter adam cherry. Adam youre on the ground in wellingborough. Actually rishi has a point there. Hes saying that theres not enthusiasm, a new enthusiasm for labour. New found enthusiasm for labour. Its just that theres disillusionment with the tories in wellingborough. Labour only got more seats than they did got 107 more seats than they did in 2019. Hes right, isnt he in 2019. So hes right, isnt he i partially , that tells a part partially, that tells a part of the story. Yes. Labours vote in absolute terms stayed consistent 2019. What consistent with 2019. What happened was the conservatives absolutely haemorrhage votes all over place, both to reform over the place, both to reform some to labour and some to third parties, but also actually from people just sitting on their hands and refusing to vote at all you ive been here, all as you say, ive been here, this hometown, so its this is my hometown, so its nice back, ive been nice to be back, but ive been speaking day today speaking to people all day today and yesterday to find out in the aftermath of that, why did that happen . Why did they make the happen . Why did they make the choices in that choices that they made in that election . Seems to me election . And it seems to me that people are just so cynical and fed up that theres no point in at all. In voting for anyone at all. Hence why labours vote stays the. And in fact, im going the same. And in fact, im going to show you a few clips of that right this is what the right now. This is what the people have right now. This is what the peoplsaying have right now. This is what the peoplsaying me. Have right now. This is what the peoplsaying me. This have right now. This is what the peoplsaying me. This morning been saying to me. This morning in response to the result yesterday. Take a look at this. Yesterday. Take a look at this. Conservative, mainly its a conservative, mainly because , you know, the because, you know, the conservative actually conservative candidate actually lives mean, lives in wellingborough. I mean, thats important, thats pretty important, especially deciding especially when youre deciding on could affect on policies that could affect wellingborough. You know, wellingborough. You know, you want to there to want to you want to be there to see the effects. You know, i mean she lives in london. See the effects. You know, i me gothe lives in london. See the effects. You know, i me got a lives in london. See the effects. You know, i me got a particularly|don. See the effects. You know, i me got a particularly like london. Im very, pleased. Im very, very pleased. Im very, very pleased. Im very, very pleased. I think its an excellent result the town and, and i result for the town and, and i hope shes going to make lots of great hope shes going to make lots of gre i hope shes going to make lots of gre i think were, were for i think were, were on for a winner. Its something new, winner. Um, its something new, something is good. Um, i feel a change is good. Um, i feel a bit sorry for peter bone. I bit sorry for peter bone. I think quite good mp. Think hes been quite a good mp. Uh, but he caught out, uh, but he got caught out, didnt way is. Didnt he . Thats the way it is. So this is the worst by election excuse me . The lowest. The worst result in wellingborough for the tories in the constituency in the constituencys entire history. Constituencys entire history. Sorry. Its very, very bad. And its interesting what rishi sunak said in that package you played at the top, which is this is a midtum by election. Well, its not really. Theyre running out of time. The Election Year is year. Its in a few is this year. Its in a few months and warning are months and warning lights are flashing all over the place. This is a seat which has been conservative since 2005. If they cant win here, they are in serious trouble. And internally serious trouble. And internally thats what mps telling me thats what mps are telling me too. Theyre not quite ready yet for against for some sort of putsch against sunak , but theyre just very, sunak, but theyre just very, very fatalistic. They feel defeated already and that is reflected in the mood here today from the constituents. From the constituents. Adam, the writings on the wall. Then its argued for the tories. You know its going to tories. You know its going to be a wipe out. So why dont they just go for a broke and quite frankly, just listen to what the people want and, uh, introduce some policies. People want and, uh, introduce some wrong policies. People want and, uh, introduce some wrong with policies. People want and, uh, introduce some wrong with them es. People want and, uh, introduce some wrong with them . Whats wrong with them . Well, this is the point. The popular conservatives, danny craig, excuse me, the new conservative. There are so many of these groups, uh, Danny Krueger and miriam cates have written today saying, written a letter today saying, look, need to do something look, we need to do Something Like this, because at what like this, because look at what the voters are telling us. And yet here important yet here the important issues are. Yet here the important issues are. Immigration yet here the important issues are. Immigration tax, cost of are. Immigration tax, cost of living. But i think rishi sunak living. But i think rishi sunak is struggling to spin all these plates because hes worried about losing votes to labour, as he is doing not quite as many in this constituency, broadly this constituency, but broadly speaking, hes haemorrhaging votes all over the place as i say. So um, hes going to have to pick a lane and as you say, perhaps he has to choose the right moment right lane. Uh, at the moment hes reform to hes got hes got reform to worry well. So its, worry about as well. So its, its taking it on all flanks and struggling any headway struggling to make any headway whatsoever. So a bit of an understatement. Adam cherry in welling boro on the ground there. Thanks very much. Uh im joined now by a man. Its for being a liberal democrat in disguise. Uh, ill be amankona co host of the saturday five, which is on tonight, by the way, 7 to 8 pm. Tune in. And former labour advisor Scarlett Mccgwire albie , advisor Scarlett Mccgwire albie, lets start with i do tease lets start with you. I do tease you for not being a proper conservative. What a surprise. What a surprise. Um, why dont the tories bite the bullet, save themselves and introduce some proper conservative policies , not least conservative policies, not least on migration pledge to cut legal migration and do something about the boats. Turn them back, even back into australia. Well, i will just remind you and our wonderful viewers and listeners that it is actually rishi sunak and James Cleverly who brought forward reforms who have brought forward reforms to immigration system to to our immigration system to actually bring down Legal Immigration in future years. And also so they have cut the small boat crossings by a third in one year. Immigration was actually liberalised by priti patel and Boris Johnson after we left the european union. James cleverly and James Cleverly and rishi sunak are correcting that. I dont argue, i dont disagree with the boris point, but to say that sunak and cleverly are reforming legal migration. There a forecast migration. There was a forecast the day that going the other day that were going to like 400,000 to have Something Like 400,000 people year until the early people a year until the early 2030s. How is that reforming legal migration . Well, that is too high. Well, that is too high. Let me be very clear about that. What was it last year . That. But what was it last year . I three quarters i believe it was three quarters of a million the very of a million because of the very liberalisation patel liberalisation that priti patel and johnson brought and Boris Johnson brought forward. Its going to take time to numbers to bring immigration numbers down high, which was down from that high, which was too high and obviously 300, 400 is much less than three quarters of a million. And its going to take time to bring it down to levels which are acceptable. Argue theyve yeah. Well, id argue theyve just lost the trust of conservative voters, know. Just lost the trust of con scarlett, voters, know. Just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, s, know. Just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right know. Just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right. Know. Just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right. Lets. But scarlett, um, right. Lets get to you. Rishi sunak yesterday in the telegraph, he called on british conservatives to together and to quote, come together and unite. Mention reform unite. He didnt mention reform by name, but it kind of under the surface was a call of arms for reform to drop out of it and everyone else to unite to beat your man, keir starmer. Would that work . Well, no, because for a start , i mean, most of the people in reform loathe the tories and in particular rishi sunak. So thats not going to be a coming together. Even though coming together. Even though nigel farage likes to play footsie with the tories, because obviously hed like to be the tory leader. But seriously, for rishi to think that reform is his only problem, keir starmer is 20 points ahead of rishi sunak. I mean, that is something thatis sunak. I mean, that is something that is amazing. That isnt because of reform , right . That because of reform, right . That is because actually im afraid rishi and the tories are losers. What do you make of these wellingborough stats . The labour only got 107 more seats than 2019. Meanwhile 107 votes. Sorry. Yeah meanwhile, the tories lost 24,000. So that vote, that tory vote didnt go to labour. No , no. That tory vote as no, no. That tory vote as youn no, no. That tory vote as your, uh, reporter said , went your, uh, reporter said, went all over the place and it stayed at home. Actually, it stayed at home. Actually, it stayed at home. They didnt turn up and that is because theyre not going to go out and vote tory. I mean, thats a its not that its not thats a its not that its not that are going that all the tories are going to go labour even all of go over to labour or even all of them are going to go to reform, but actually the is that but actually the problem is that at moment you look at the at the moment you look at the conservative party and you have noidea conservative party and you have no idea whats going to happen next, its just series of next, its just a series of problems. Yes , there are. And problems. So yes, there are. And there in wellingborough , they there in wellingborough, they might only have got 100 odd extra votes , but actually around extra votes, but actually around the country you do not get a 20 lead. Do you mean youve got no idea whats going to happen next with conservatives . With the conservatives . How can say from how can you say that from a labour perspective, when every policy that keir starmer has put forward the house of forward reforming the house of lords, the 28 billion Green Investment he has gone back on, hes back everything. Hes gone back on everything. The conservatives have a plan. Labour the conservatives have a plan. Labour doesnt have a plan. This this is a line we have noidea this this is a line we have no idea what the conservative plan is. Labour has a plan for growth. What is the plan . What is the plan . Varne. Varne. Wheres the 28 billion gone . Wheres the 28 billion gone . Plan . Well, the problem the plan . Well, the problem with the 28 billion is it now costs so much because of your wonderful it now wonderful liz truss. It now costs so much. But the Economic Situation is better now it was under liz truss. So that argument is null and void. Actually ill it doesnt actually ill be it doesnt it still costs a fortune to borrow and thats the whole problem. The whole thing about the 28 billion it was the 28 billion was it was borrowing to invest. And now it costs an awful lot more to borrow , as everybody who has borrow, as everybody who has a mortgage in this country knows. So is liz truss response for Interest Rates being risen across the world in us and across the world in the us and also in europe . We know that because she crashed the economy, right . Because the markets not left wingers, but the markets actually said we dont trust her anymore. We i mean, dont you anymore. We i mean, dont you remember her . I do remember and you watched the pound just go down. Scarlett ben knows this better than anyone. I am not a liz truss fan by any stretch of the imagination , but are you the imagination, but are you seriously saying that Interest Rates now would not be high if liz truss was never the Prime Minister . I dont think theyd be where they are now. But theyd still be but. But theyd still be higher than they before. But. But theyd still be hig they|an they before. But. But theyd still be hig they wouldnt. Before. But. But theyd still be hig they wouldnt. Bethey they wouldnt. They . They probably be 1. Probably wouldnt be at 1. Right. What im saying is, right. But what im saying is, is that actually you cannot you cannot go into an election saying this is what were going to do, not knowing whats going to do, not knowing whats going to happen when you open the books. Now, it might be wonderful. I perhaps wonderful. I mean, perhaps everythings going to be better and theyre going be able to and theyre going to be able to say, actually, we will able and theyre going to be able to saborrow lly, we will able and theyre going to be able to saborrow more,e will able and theyre going to be able to saborrow more, but. L able and theyre going to be able to saborrow more, but you able and theyre going to be able to saborrow more, but you have to to borrow more, but you have to you to invest it. You have to borrow to invest it. Right . And you have to be able to borrow at reasonable, at reasonable rates. Reasonable rates. Scarlet. I was quite and scarlet. So i was quite enjoying that ding dong. I enjoying that ding dong. So i let go at other. I hope let you go at each other. I hope youre it youre not too bruised, but it will feel sorry for him. Well sir keir starmer feeling. Be feeling a bit relieved this week, bearing in mind the anti anti semitism rouse all the u turns. Of course, the latest criticism for the £28 billion green pledge. He got through those two by elections, despite all that, is he going to be waking up this weekend you waking up this weekend and, you know, yourself to a bacon know, treat yourself to a bacon sarnie in celebration. Hes going be waking up this going to be waking up this weekend when are we going weekend saying when are we going to have a general election . Which i think most of us in the whatever the country agree of whatever political colour lets bring the election on. Lets find out what the british people want. And the british people want. And then lets do something about it. Instead of going on in this, you know, we know that theres probably going to be another tory mistake and theres going to be another by election over some tory leaving. Right. And labours going to win it again. Its just going to go on and on and on. Lets kill the pain. Lets have a general election. Lets have a general election. Lets find out what people obe one last one with you, nigel farage hinted i think it was this or yesterday this morning or yesterday morning and when morning that, uh, if and when the tories annihilated at the tories are annihilated at the tories are annihilated at the election, might consider the election, he might consider swooping in like a vulture and remoulding the party alongside the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and priti patel, i suspect. What do you make of nigel at the helm of your party, the conservatives . Well dont conservatives . Well i dont think to happen. Conservatives . Well i dont thirnigel to happen. Conservatives . Well i dont thirnigel farage o happen. Conservatives . Well i dont thirnigel farage hastppen. Conservatives . Well i dont thirnigel farage has consistently nigel farage has consistently said a number of years, oh, said over a number of years, oh, i might join tory party this i might join the tory party this might happen. Its not happened. Youd the youd have to get into the party. Jacob rees mogg, as much as him, might actually as i like him, might actually lose his seat at the next general how general election. Thats how bad things so i think this idea moment. So i think this idea that nigel going to that nigel farage is going to come over the come over and take over the conservative party is quite frankly, not frankly, for the birds, not least because theyre actually a lot of tories that like lot of tories that dont like nigels politics. Well, ive always argued with you, be time on you, ill be time after time on saturday are no you, ill be time after time on satuconservatives are no you, ill be time after time on satuconservatives in are no you, ill be time after time on satuconservatives in the are no real conservatives in the conservative party, and thats been problem. Been their main problem. I think i think but im sure i think i think its the its for not you to tell the conservative party what they ought what they ought ought to, what they ought to believe in. Going on there . Well, whats going on there . How many behind the how many points behind in the polls . But theyre theyre polls . Yeah, but theyre theyre about annihilated. About to get annihilated. Not because theyre thats not because theyre not conservative. Its because theyre theyve got theyre incompetent. Theyve got theyre incompetent. Theyve got the theyve got the divine right to in to think they should be in power, not listened power, and theyve not listened to their members. Not listened to. Theyve not listened to. Theyve not listened to. Was was johnson so ben was was Boris Johnson a conservative . So ben was was Boris Johnson a c so ben was was Boris Johnson a c so ben was was Boris Johnson a c uh, he was at the start and he his head. He started he lost his head. He started going some deranged net going down some deranged net zero what about liz truss . She was she was elected by your only your members. Your members only your members. Liz truss was the greatest prime we were never Prime Minister. We were never allowed have. And that allowed to have. And on that point, going move on. Point, were going to move on. Im the so ill get that im the host, so ill get that final there. Alabama final point in there. Alabama conor Scarlett Mccgwire, thank you of energy, you so much. Lots of energy, lots please behave lots of passion. Please behave in green room. Nice scuffles in the green room. Nice scuffles. Now for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and more, to the website more, go to the website gb news. Com catch more, go to the website gbnews. Com catch us on gbnews. Com and also catch us on our socials. Youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with leo. More with me, ben, leo. Lots more coming todays show , coming up on todays show, including thousands of pro palestine supporters marching in Central London today, calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza. Well be back ceasefire in gaza. Well be back there live, uh, and all of that. More to come. Youre watching, listening to gb news, britains news channel. News radio. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on your tv , online and on digital your tv, online and on digital radio. Lots of you have been sending in your thoughts. Radio. Lots of you have been sending in your thoughts. Uh, sending in your thoughts. Uh, ben, not says the ben, not me, says the conservatives need to give us regular updates on how theyre progressing out progressing with sorting out both migration both illegal and legal migration into this country. We are in despair over this matter, ben. Ive said for yonks that weve got a conservative government that allows hundreds of thousands of people into the country legally, doesnt improve infrastructure off the back of it. And then you wonder why you cant appointments, or cant get gp appointments, or young cant houses young people cant buy houses and the birth collapses. So and the birth rate collapses. So i agree with you. My friend margaret on prince harry. Margaret says on prince harry. Harry take on some royal harry might take on some royal dufies harry might take on some royal duties while the king is undergoing treatment. Nice gesture , but it wouldnt just gesture, but it wouldnt be just him. He i take it by she you him. She he i take it by she you mean Meghan Markle would want to be involved. And now know why be involved. And now we know why he fathers side. He rushed to his fathers side. Um, know. I mean , if um, i dont know. I mean, if your member was , uh, you your Family Member was, uh, you know, suffering a pretty grim diagnosis , this. Surely youd diagnosis, this. Surely youd be by side to see how they were by his side to see how they were doing. I think weve got to give harry. Uh, harry credit on that front. Uh, lets move on, shall we . Lets go to the, uh. Oh, go back to the, uh. Oh, actually, gear. Actually, lets change a gear. Time for the Great British giveaway. Your chance to giveaway. 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Joining me now is gb News Reporter will hollis, whos on the ground in london. And, uh, will, whats happening there, my friend . Any more action is the crowd building in size. The back crowd building in size. The back of the protest that is heading straight down park lane, parallel to the edges of hyde park, and theyre heading in one direction. Thats because theyre heading towards the Israeli Embassy. You can just see how many people there are. I know you just said it, but literally a sea of palestinian flags red, white, black and green. And were right there in the middle of it right now. So this is organised by the stop the War Coalition as well as the palestine solidarity campaign. Palestine solidarity campaign. Its a global day of action. In fact, its the ninth one since those attacks on october the 7th, when 1200 people were killed by hamas in israel and what theyre calling for is a ceasefire. Now, an immediate ceasefire. Now, an immediate ceasefire. And theyve been doing so since then. This is the ninth day of action, global action. So its not just here in london. So what youre going to see, as well as a lot of people here, protesting is also a lot of police. And you can see a few here. Ones are liaison here. These ones are liaison support theyre support officers. So theyre supposed to work directly with the protesting. The people who are protesting. Youll also see a lot of yellow jackets, 1500 officers on patrol working for the met police today. Not all of them for this, but a massive chunk of them. There is the commander of this particular protest from the met police. The man making sure the operation runs as smoothly, safely and legally as it should be. He described the conflict in the middle east as having a profound and polarising effect on policing. Here in the capital city, those police that are working here are going to be looking for a couple of different things. Theyre going to be looking for people that might violence might be inside violence or hatred. Um, theyre hatred or racism. Um, theyre also going to be looking for people might be supporting people that might be supporting the terrorist the proscribed terrorist organisation,. Now, we saw organisation, hamas. Now, we saw that come to the courts this week, didnt we . Three different people were in court at westminster and they westminster magistrates and they were charged and convicted of terrorism offences for displaying paragliders on their bodies and placards. And that was relating to the attacks. Was relating to the attacks. What youll see in the background, if you just look over distance, is a over into the distance, is a red vehicle and thats massive vehicle and thats got a massive pole of it and pole sticking out of it and thats theyre not thats cctv, because theyre not just watching for people with the and of the police. The eyes and ears of the police. Theyre to using the eyes and ears of the police. Theyrincluding to using the eyes and ears of the police. Theyrincluding facial using cctv, including facial recognition, to look for people that may be are a wanted for already committing offences at these of protests. So these sorts of protests. So thats the policing side of it. Lets do the politics side of it. This isnt just happening in isolation calling on isolation. Theyre calling on politicians, the politicians, particularly the two parties, the two main parties, the conservatives the government and laboun conservatives the government and labour. Now, because what labour. Right now, because what are we going to see this week . Well, were going to see a vote in snp bringing in parliament. The snp bringing that motion. We see that motion. And will we see labour ordering their mps to abstain . Well see that later this week in westminster. Abstain . Well see that later thisyeah< in westminster. Abstain . Well see that later thisyeah a n westminster. Abstain . Well see that later thisyeah a bigestminster. Abstain . Well see that later thisyeah a big problem er. Abstain . Well see that later thisyeah a big problem for labour yeah a big problem for labour on that front. Will hollis on the ground in london. Thanks very much. Lets go reporter tony go to our scotland reporter tony maguire. Uh, theres another maguire. Uh, theres another march up there north of the border, which i think passing border, which i think is passing the scottish the late. Well, the scottish labour conference tony. Yes thats correct. Good afternoon. Certainly the thousands are already gathering in George Square here in the centre of glasgow. And the plan centre of glasgow. And the plan is to march the short couple of miles here to the Scottish Event Centre on the river clyde, now inside here today and yesterday was the scottish labour conference yesterday anas sarwar he gave his 70 minute mammoth speech, which he called again for an immediate ceasefire. He asked delegates to very carefully separate the actions of hamas from the gazan people, as well as the israeli people from Benjamin Netanyahus government. Now, he said, the government. Now, he said, the peoples of both gaza and israel are desperate for peace, and thatis are desperate for peace, and that is what we as a nation should strive for. Now, about a couple of hours ago, here at the conference, scottish labour delegates they voted in favour of to support a ceasefire. Ahead of to support a ceasefire. Ahead of to support a ceasefire. Ahead of that crucial vote in the commons, commons next week. Now snp have theyve called on scottish labour to whip its impressive two mps . North of the border to vote in favour of a ceasefire . But the last time, if ceasefire . But the last time, if you remember, at the tail end of last year, there was a ceasefire, keir starmer, well, he lost ten frontbenchers and aides and a rebellion to that vote that vote didnt pass then. And those two scottish mps will they chose to abstain in that vote. Um, but it seems to be that from the conference here, the vibe is very much in favour of a ceasefire. Now, some of the language which anas sarwar has called semantics, he has used the words quite plainly, a sustained ceasefire. He has said that keir starmer has said the immediate end to fighting there might not be able to agree to the words, but he says that they certainly agree to the sentiment that at some point the fighting has to stop. So at some point in the next hour or so, were going to see several thousand people swarm this area here. Quite a sizeable scot. Police scotland presence here, because behind me, in another hall of the Scottish Events Centre is the wedding show. Um, and certainly they are on hand to make sure no altercations occur. Altercations occur. Okay. Tony maguire in scotland, thanks very much. Its such an awful situation , isnt such an awful situation, isnt it . I mean, one side says you cant have a ceasefire until the israeli hostages are released. Israeli hostages are released. Um, israel saying that they um, uh, israel saying that they need to rid hamas. Uh of, of existence. Um, you know, its existence. Um, you know, its a hard one to wade into. But for me, just please stop. Stop killing the kids. I want the kids to stop dying on both sides. A palestinian kids life is worth equally as much as an israeli so israeli kids life. So regardless happens , regardless of what happens, please stop killing the kids now youre watching. Listening to gb news saturday me. Ben leo. Youre watching. Listening to gb new morerrday me. 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Those accountable for his death. Those gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on. Putin. And nato laying blame on. Putin. One one person has been arrested as thousands of protesters begin marching in london in support of palestine. Up to 250,000 people were expected to gather for the demonstration near the Israeli Embassy. Around 1500 police embassy. Around 1500 Police Officers from forces across britain are on public order dufies britain are on public order duties , with those taking part duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6 00 this evening. In in other news, a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place. While rishi sunak was Prime Minister. Thats to according new analysis by the labour party. They say its proof the governments focus on its rwanda plan isnt enough to solve the crisis. The government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings. 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Channel. Welcome election. Channel. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on your tv, online and digital radio. Lots of emails coming through about the pro palestine protest thats taking place in london today. Some of you quite rightly, missed, said rightly, which i missed, said that behind will hollis in Central London were people walking masked up holding walking past masked up Holding Placards saying from the river to the sea. And actually you have a good point, a comment with name, emailed . With your name, who emailed . But i meant i thought the police were meant to on that. So to be clamping down on that. So anyway shift gears now. Anyway, we shift gears now. Yesterday he gave yesterday prince harry, he gave his public interview since his first public interview since his first public interview since his father, king his father, the king was diagnosed with cancer last week. This is what he had to say. Its a good morning, america. I called it gobbing off the called it gobbing off about the effect illness effect of his fathers illness that on his own family. That had on his own family. How did you get the news that the king was ill . I spoke to him. I spoke to him. And what did you next . And what did you next . I jumped on a plane and went to go and see him. As soon as could. How was that visit for you emotionally . Um, look, i love i love my family. The fact that i the family. The fact that i was, the fact was able to get on a fact that i was able to get on a plane and go see and plane and go and see him and spend time with him, im spend any time with him, im grateful whats sort grateful for that. Whats sort of outlook on on his health of your outlook on on his health that between him . That stays between me and him . The family can an illness in the family can have a galvanising or sort of reunifying for a family. Reunifying effect for a family. That possible in this case . Yeah, im n case . Yeah, im i mean, you yeah, im sure. I mean, you know, ive throughout these know, ive throughout all these families, i see it on on families, i see it on a, on a day to day basis. Day to day basis. Um, you know, again, the strength family unit strength of the family unit coming just physically strength of the family unit cominin just physically strength of the family unit cominin californiajst physically strength of the family unit cominin california ,;t physically strength of the family unit cominin california , howysically strength of the family unit cominin california , how havely being in california, how have you processed the fact that theres so much happening back with your family where you come from . From . T w my own w my own family. From . My own family. Right . I have my own family. Right . So all do. So as we all do. Right. So you know, right. So um, you know, my family and my life in california is as it is. You know, i will. Ive got other trips planned and that would take me through the uk or back to the uk. Um, so, you know, ill stop in and see my family as much as i can. All right. Im delighted to be joined now by royal broadcaster heydel mankoo. Be joined now by royal broadcaster afternoon. L mankoo. Be joined now by royal broadcaster afternoon. L mtlet o. Ralph. Good afternoon. Um, let me play devils advocate here he was, he was asked a question dunng was, he was asked a question during an interview about invictus. Some people have said he was gobbing off and using the opportunity from visiting his father last week to plug his own agenda. But whats he meant to say when a reporter says , hows say when a reporter says, hows your dad doing . Well, could have done what well, he could have done what his the prince of his brother, the prince of wales, and what queen wales, and what the queen did was simply to say that hes doing to thank doing well and to thank well wishers for their support. Well wishers for their support. Now, to go further from now, he chose to go further from this. Mean, you know, when he this. I mean, you know, when he went many went to visit his father, many people long went to visit his father, many pewould long went to visit his father, many pewould before long went to visit his father, many pewould before went long went to visit his father, many pewould before went inyng it would be before he went in front cameras. The answer front of the cameras. The answer is is the answer. Is ten, ten days is the answer. Thats how long thats how long. How long it took yes, to his took him. And yes, to his credit, didnt into credit, he didnt go into details the prognosis details on his on the prognosis of fathers health. And he of his fathers health. And he also loves also said that he loves his family thats nice family and was thats a nice thing was pleased. Thing and was pleased. Yes. Thing and was pleased. Humane thing to him humane thing to give him credit that. But then, credit for that. But then, of course, go to on say course, yes, he did go to on say that, you know , intimate that, um, you know, intimate that, um, you know, intimate that cancer be that the cancer could be a source reconciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis reconciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, ciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, saying1 for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, saying that all his, his family, saying that all sickness is, um, unites can unite families. Well, im sorry unite families. Well, im sorry that wasnt on display when his grandparent s were very sick and dying and know that his dying. And we know that his anfics dying. And we know that his antics caused great and antics caused great anguish and heartache late queen and heartache to the late queen and prince their final Prince Philip in their final months and and we saw we months and years. And we saw we saw no attempt. Then you would have thought that their deaths would have the catalyst would have been the catalyst for him the him to come back into the family. He spent the family. Instead, he spent the first months after the queens death, most delicate period death, the most delicate period for the new king, for his father. The new king, attacking the royal family and the prince and the queen and the prince and princess of wales. So we havent really demonstration of really seen any demonstration of that. Theres a great so look, theres a great story times today saying story in the times today saying that harry will potentially become a temporary working member of the royal family , member of the royal family, maybe covering for king charles in the coming months. What do you make of that . Is there any truth to it . Well, its remarkable. Truth to it . Its. L, its remarkable. Truth to it . Its been remarkable. Truth to it . Its been reportedble. Truth to it . Its been reported from from both allegedly, that both sides, allegedly, that theyve calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat hes calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat hes offered calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat hes offered to calls and that hes offered to essentially become a temporary working alleviate working royal to help alleviate the and all the extra the backlog and all the extra work with king out work required with the king out of but you have to sort of service. But you have to sort of service. But you have to sort of wonder, this change of wonder, where has this change of wonder, where has this change of suddenly . Because of heart come suddenly . Because the king, obviously the king, you know, obviously the king, you know, obviously the to leave the the king wants to leave the door open his son. But open for his for his son. But weve every attempt that weve seen every attempt that the king has made to offer an olive rejected. Olive branch has been rejected. I the reason here is i think the real reason here is that prince harry and his pr staff realise that his relevance depends entirely on his proximity to the crown, and the last has seen the sussexes last year has seen the sussexes plummeting in popularity. Theyve been ridiculed the theyve been ridiculed in the press and no ones any press and no ones had any interest in non royal interest in their non royal output. Like, output. The sussexes are like, you like planet you know, like a planet revolving is revolving around the sun is their proximity to the monarchy that flourish. And that enables it to flourish. And being california is like being in california is like being in california is like being planet pluto, being on planet pluto, essentially right. Essentially quite right. A point, ralph, thats a good point, ralph, because course, because this week, of course, they sussex they launched their new sussex. Com website using their titles, giving titles to their children. From my perspective , ive always from my perspective, ive always said, you know, from from meghans side at least she spent years and years trashing the royal saying how she royal family, saying how she wanted kill herself when she wanted to kill herself when she was suffered mental was in it. She suffered Mental Health problems. Hinted health problems. She hinted heavily made a heavily that someone made a racist about the skin racist comment about the skin colour of archie. On and colour of archie. It goes on and on and on and i say, do you know what . If that was me, i wouldnt want to do with that want anything to do with that name. That connection, name. With that connection, id have respect and id have some self respect and id stop it. But yet they stop using it. But yet they launched new website launched their new website and its duchess of its the duke and duchess of sussex, meghan. Sussex, duchess meghan. Just remember, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. Months ember, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. Months ago. Er, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. Months ago. Theyvas only a sussex, duchess meghan. Months ago. They accepted| few months ago. They accepted the kennedy of the Robert F Kennedy ripple of hope award, in part fighting hope award, in part for fighting against royal against racism in the royal family, and they spent so long undermining that institution. You have to wonder why they you do have to wonder why they now to want now suddenly want to want to help. Out. And quite help. It out. And youre quite right. I they realise right. As i said, they realise theyre not because they theyre not famous because they are entertaining or talented or particularly intelligent. There are of those things. Are none of those things. Theyre simply royal. Thats why i think youve seen the rebranding the website. Rebranding of the website. Thats using the thats why theyre using the titles prince and princess titles of prince and princess for children, they for the children, because they realise that their only real cachet is their royal status, andifs cachet is their royal status, and its been hard lesson that and its been a hard lesson that theyve particularly theyve learned, particularly over yeah. Over the last year. Yeah. Mean, well, i would say the i mean, well, i would say the theyre not here to defend themselves. Of course, and themselves. Of course, harry and meghan going meghan, but if they were going to themselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say . Themselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say . Letmselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say . Let melves, would meghan, but if they were going to say . Let melvesthe would meghan, but if they were going to say . Let melvesthe devilsld they say . Let me put the devils advocate. Box onto your side. I have no i say, i have no. Well, what would their pr team say . Because i think a lot of this driven by their this is being driven by their pubuc this is being driven by their Public Relations team who understand that if understand and actually that if they have rebranding, understand and actually that if thneeds have rebranding, understand and actually that if thneeds essentiallybranding, understand and actually that if thneeds essentially donding, understand and actually that if th needs essentially do what, it needs to essentially do what the royal family are doing. But in a north american type of context, were seeing context, thats why were seeing much trying to much more of meghan trying to become setting become essentially setting up an american rival the American Court to rival the court over here, because they think may their think that may be their successful become sort successful path to become a sort of american style royal family get royalty. But get that cachet of royalty. But do things on their terms in america. Yeah. And actually, you yeah. And actually, do you know that new website know what . On that new website meghan about compassion meghan bangs on about compassion and know, humanity and and being you know, humanity and generosity and forgiveness . Well, shes not forgiven her estranged, dying father , thomas estranged, dying father, thomas markle, whos had a heart attack , hasnt seen his grandkids, hasnt spoken to him in many, many years. If you want to many years. So if you want to display compassion, meghan, id argue, your father argue, maybe give your father a call. Doing. Call. Ask how hes doing. Im sure cheer up. Sure that would cheer him up. Uh, you so much. Uh, ralph, thank you so much. Appreciate always. Appreciate your time, as always. Uh, coming up on uh, lots more coming up on todays including a judge. Todays show, including a judge. Hes ruled that former, uh, us President Donald Trump, he must pay President Donald Trump, he must pay nearly £281 million to new york state for lying about the values of his properties. He says hes been stitched up. And you know what . When the banks testified this case and they testified in this case and they said they were happy with the underwriting Donald Trumps underwriting of Donald Trumps loans, no problem. But loans, they had no problem. But the da and the judge the democrat da and the judge went ahead and did him on anyway. And i think weve got quite an interesting clip of donald reaction that Donald Trumps reaction to that ruling after the break. You wont want to miss that. Of wont want to miss that. All of that to youre that and more to come. Youre watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news, britains news channel. Radio. Welcome back. Youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. Ben leo on your tv, online and digital radio. Im just going to read a couple of emails before we continue, barbara says. After all prince has all the hurt prince harry has caused, he caused, the royal family, he should allowed to should never be allowed to return duties. Do you return to royal duties. Do you know what . Ive not seen anything the contrary today anything to the contrary today in the inbox. So there in the inbox. So if there is anyone that anyone out there who thinks that harry back , harry should be welcomed back, at least temporarily, some at least temporarily, for some royal please know royal duties, please let me know because them because id love to read them out. Uh, sue says, in my opinion, the only reason harry out. Uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the only reason harry out. Uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the toy reason harry out. Uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the toy rea his harry out. Uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the to y rea his father was so quick to visit his father was so quick to visit his father was because he realised king was because he realised the king is succeeded is mortal and will be succeeded by wanted make by william. He wanted to make sure any inheritance. Uh, i sure of any inheritance. Uh, i dont know about that. Hes probably got a few quid of his own. Move now to own. Let lets move on now to america. This story absolutely america. This story absolutely stunned me last night. Yesterday um, donald trump has been , uh, um, donald trump has been, uh, basically a judge has ruled that he must pay nearly £281 million, around 350 million to the new york state for lying about the values of his properties. He was also banned from serving as a Company Director or taking out loans banks in the state loans from banks in the state for years. This is what for three years. This is what trump to say after the trump had to say after the ruling. Ruling. He ruled against me before he even the case. He ruled even got the case. He ruled against. Said was against me. He said i was guilty. Know guilty. He didnt know what i was of before he even got was guilty of before he even got the letitia james, the case. And letitia james, thats another case altogether. Shes a horribly corrupt attorney general , and its shes a horribly corrupt attorney general, and its all having to do with election interference. Interference. All right, classic as ever from the donald. Im joined now by a spokesperson for republicans overseas uk, sarah elliott. Good afternoon sarah. Good afternoon. Look lets get to this. The District Attorney to this. The District Attorney who prosecuted judge was a democrat who prosecuted trump, was a democrat. The judge was a was a democrat. The judge was a democrat before the District Attorney got into power, she said she was going to go after trump and look in every nook and cranny. This is a stitch up, isnt it . I mean, definitely has i mean, it definitely has that appearance, especially when Deutsche Bank, who was the bank that loaned the money to donald trump, which been found trump, of which hes been found guilty of in inflating his assets for the loans as the Deutsche Bank actually made money on these loans , he paid money on these loans, he paid back the loans. There was no crime. This is the case of looking for a criminal first and then looking for a crime. Um, as you said, for a crime. Um, as you said, letitia james, a democrat, ran on wanting to prosecute trump. Get him behind bars. This is part of her campaign agenda. And the American People arent buying it. The Republican Party is not buying it. Right. But surely as a former president , he should have faith in his countrys judicial system. Countrys judicial system. No. No. Yes. But, you know, new york city is a very left wing, what we would call an america liberal bastion. They hate him, dont they . They hate him, dont they . They hate him, dont they . They hate him, you know, although built some beautiful although he built some beautiful buildings done some buildings and done some wonderful in new york, wonderful things in new york, um, there is a bias against him. So i think he is correct in saying that even if youre not a trump dont with trump fan, you dont agree with everything he says and everything he says and everything hes done. Um, this does look like lawfare. All right. What does this mean presidency . Mean for trumps presidency . Because a lot characters over because a lot of characters over this of the say that this side of the pond say that we Trump Presidency for we need a Trump Presidency for peace, i think, correct me if im Boris Johnson said im wrong, Boris Johnson said that would be a good, um, that he would be a good, uh, um, opfion that he would be a good, uh, um, option for president he option for president if he returned. He bring world peace. He was, of course, no he was, of course, the no war president. The first president. He was the first leader a north Korean Leader to meet a north Korean Leader, across the leader, um, across the demilitarised zone. So what does this mean for his second bid for the house the white house well, you know, first off, with every indictment he got last year, he got more and more popular. So with kind of , popular. So with this kind of, um, you know, a charge or and fine to donald trump, his popularity will go up. And so this makes it more likely that he could be the us president and thus , you know, have that strong thus, you know, have that strong Foreign Policy he had during his first terme, which many of us believe, had he been elected president , we would not have had the war in ukraine. Well, trump , of course, says well, trump, of course, says that he would solve that conflict within 24 hours. Can i just ask you what you made of Tucker Carlsons interview with Vladimir Putin this week . Vladimir putin this week . Um, i was disappointed. And i um, i was disappointed. And i mean, i think, first off, all journalists should be able to interview any world leader, and its great that we were able to get two hours worth of putin. And to kind of maybe learn about his psyche or his propaganda , his psyche or his propaganda, whichever one you side with. But but i was disappointed in Tucker Carlsons visit to moscow now and speaking to world leaders. And speaking to world leaders. You dont think he should have gone . No i just think him praising russia and praising the, you know, the moscow underground system and also really taking down america in front of world leaders, just really was untoward and unnecessary. And it puts american lives at risks overseas. Overseas. Okay. Great stuff sarah. Thank you. I appreciate your expertise on that. Uh, youre expertise on that. Uh, youre listening and watching to gb news saturday with me, ben liu. I remains to be seen whether donald trump will win that second presidency. Lot of second presidency. A lot of people of pond people this side of the pond certainly lots certainly want him to, but lots more todays show, more coming up on todays show, including leaders from around the have reacted to the the world, have reacted to the news that russian leader Alexei Navalny has died in prison. Russian Officials Say died russian Officials Say he died from from a blood clot. Um, not sure about that. While on a walk , but who do you believe . But first, lets take a look at the weather with. Craig. Weather with. Craig. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell looking ahead for the rest of this weekend. We will see a band of heavy rain move across the country. Its all courtesy of these weather fronts. They will just gradually spread their way eastward, but with winds coming in from the southwest, going to be southwest, it is going to be a mild us. So mild weekend for all of us. So this evening we can see the rain working its way in from the west. Outbreaks of west. Some heavy outbreaks of rain embedded in it. So we do have some warnings in force across of and across parts of england and wales , so there will be some wales, so there will be some fairly difficult driving conditions you travelling conditions if you are travelling overnight but it will overnight tonight. But it will be a mild one. Temperatures for many staying in double figures across the south. And these temperatures really are where we should be during course of temperatures really are where we sho day. Ye during course of temperatures really are where we sho day. Notrring course of temperatures really are where we sho day. Not the| course of temperatures really are where we sho day. Not the night ourse of temperatures really are where we sho day. Not the night time. Of the day. Not the night time. This time so a bit of this time of year. So a bit of a slow start across southeastern england. Still some rain england. Still some heavy rain here, dry up here, but it should dry up towards lunchtime. For most towards lunchtime. And for most of us it will be a brighter day. The better day of the two. But there will still be a few sherri outbreaks of rain around, especially during middle especially during the middle part for all of part of the day. But for all of us, a mild one. Temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. Having a look at monday, another spell of rain will move its way across the country. Either side, there will be some drier and brighter moments, and again it will be feeling fairly mild for the time of year. Tuesday wednesday again of year. Tuesday wednesday again remaining fairly changeable. Further of rain, further spells of rain, especially during the middle of the temperatures for the week. But temperatures for all staying in double all of us staying in double figures day. Figures by day. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Thanks very much, craig. All looks a bit dull, doesnt it . Looks a bit dull, doesnt it . Uninspiring out there . Well, ill tell you, i booked a houday ill tell you, i booked a holiday last week. Going to holiday last week. Im going to tenerife, so you later. As tenerife, so see you later. As of tuesday next week, lots more coming up in todays show, including sir keir including labour leader sir keir starmer says are now including labour leader sir keir starmto says are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put; are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their faithe now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their faithe ran ready to put their faith in a changed uh, changed labour party. Uh, changed labour party. Uh, changed really after this week, uh, following a double win in wellingborough and the kingswood by elections yesterday. But rishi sunak says the tories and reform should unite to beat starmer. Well, ill tell you what richard tice had something to about that the to say about that in the telegraph yesterday. He said were do what the were not going to do what the brexit did in 2019 and brexit party did in 2019 and step aside. You can stuffed step aside. You can get stuffed conservatives. Were going to enjoy. Well be enjoy your downfall. Well be debating if hes right. All of that and to come. Im ben that and more to come. Im ben leo youre watching leo and youre watching listening gb good afternoon, my friends, and welcome to gb news. Saturday im ben leo, and for the next hour, ill keeping the next hour, ill be keeping you tv, online and you company on tv, online and digital radio. Ill keep you up to stories that to date on the stories that really you, including to date on the stories that really up you, including to date on the stories that really up this you, including to date on the stories that really up this hour including to date on the stories that really up this hour for luding to date on the stories that really up this hour for leaders coming up this hour for leaders from around the world. Theyve reacted to news that russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny has died in prison. Russian officials he died from a Officials Say he died from a blood clot while on a walk. But who do you believe . Then some might have thought that support for the so called hate marchers would have waned by now, but theyve been going for four consecutive months. Thousands of pro palestine supporters are marching in Central London today, for an immediate today, calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza. Be live ceasefire in gaza. Well be live there ground at and there on the ground at and russias most significant Opposition Leader for the past decade , Alexei Navalny, as we decade, Alexei Navalny, as we said, hes died in the Arctic Circle. Foreign secretary David Cameron says no one should be in any doubt about the dreadful nature of putins regime. Nature of putins regime regime. Rather after what has just happened, im asking, do you think navalny was silenced . And think navalny was silenced . And i did just call out for some pro harry and meghan emails. Ill give you one of those very, very quickly. Ben, give you one of those very, very quickly. Ben, i think you have noidea quickly. Ben, i think you have no idea of the truth regarding harry and melon. Melon harry and meghan, theyre being bullied. Why should amazing couple why should this amazing couple lie down . Uh to keep their haters happy . Now thats quite a good name. Harry and melon. Maybe he would stick. Of maybe he would stick. Uh, of course. Nothing course. This show is nothing without and your views. Let without you and your views. Let me all thoughts on the me know all your thoughts on the stories discussing stories well be discussing today. Views gb today. Email me gb views gb news. Im keeping news. Com im also keeping a keen your messages. Even keen eye on your messages. Even the social media. But the abuse on social media. But first, heres the news with sofia. Sofia. Ben. Thank you. Its 2 01. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story. We newsroom. Your top story. We therell be consequences for the death of Alexei Navalny. That was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met Foreign Ministers from the g7 in munich today. They. Took part in ministers from the g7 in munich today. They. Took part in a minutes silence after visuals and protests were held across the world in support of Vladimir Putins most vocal critic, lord camerons comments were backed by sir starmer. As crowds by sir keir starmer. As crowds gathered the russian gathered outside the Russian Embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable death. Those accountable for his death. Those who gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury, officials from the fury, with officials from the us, and nato laying the blame us, eu and nato laying the blame on putin. Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskyy told the conference the russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of Alexei Navalny. The murder of Alexei Navalny. Its absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian state, and he is a thug who maintains power through corruption and violence , coming corruption and violence, coming to his so called inauguration, shaking his hand, considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power. In other news, one person power. In other news, one person has been arrested as thousands of protesters march in london in support of palestine. Support of palestine. Up to 250,000 people are expected at the demonstration near the Israeli Embassy. Around near the Israeli Embassy. Around 1500 Police Officers from forces across britain are on public order duties , with those taking order duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6 00 this evening. Gb News Reporter will hollis is there. There there is a sea of palestinian flags in the capital city today for the ninth day of protests since those october the 7th attacks. Now there are hundreds of thousands of people making their way down park lane next to hyde park, and theyre heading in one direction and thats towards the Israeli Embassy. Towards the Israeli Embassy. Theyre calling with one voice for a ceasefire in the week that parliament will be voting for one. Now what youll also see is a lot of yellow jackets. The police here say that what is going on in the middle east, the conflict between israel and palestine, israel and hamas is having a profound and polarising effect. On how they can police effect. On how they can police the capital city now a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was Prime Minister. Thats according to new analysis by the labour party. Thats after 52 people reportedly crossed the channel by small boat yesterday, meaning theres been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became Prime Minister labour says its proof the governments focus on its rwanda plan isnt enough to solve the crisis, but the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier. Farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. Furious at what they say are cheap. International imports. Around 20 international imports. Around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield , near dover, extra in whitfield, near dover, to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britains Food Security. They say they cant compete with the cheap foreign imports and unless something done , british something is done, british farmers wont be able to afford to British Public and to feed the British Public and donald trump has been ordered to pay donald trump has been ordered to pay. 354. 9 donald trump has been ordered to pay. 354. 9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. Inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. Hes also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. This latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to the republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the other legal battles, and the duke and sussex are reportedly and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into royal duties while his father undergoes Cancer Treatment. Undergoes Cancer Treatment. According to reports in the times, harry is said to have told friends hed be willing to cover some duties while his father recovers. It comes after prince harry hinted at a possible reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television. He said he american television. He said he was grateful for the time he spent during a spent with his father during a short to london last week , short visit to london last week, and for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts now its back to ben. Its back to ben. Thanks, sophia. Now lets get stuck into todays top picks. Labour leader sir keir starmer says people are now ready to put their faith in a changed labour party double win Party Following that double win in wellingborough kingswood Party Following that double win in elections rough kingswood Party Following that double win in elections yesterday kingswood Party Following that double win in elections yesterday. ingswood Party Following that double win in elections yesterday. Rishivood by elections yesterday. Rishi sunak. Meanwhile, he says the circumstances facing the tories. Circumstances facing the tories. This always makes me laugh. They are , really. But, are challenging, really. But, insists labour doesnt have a plan. Midterms by elections are always difficult incumbent always difficult for incumbent governments and the circumstances these by circumstances of these by elections were, of course, particularly challenging. , i think if you look at now, i think if you look at the results very low turnout and it shows that weve got work to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. And im absolutely and thats what im absolutely determined to do, but also shows and thats what im absolutely dete thered to do, but also shows and thats what im absolutely dete there d to do huge also shows and thats what im absolutely detethered to do huge amountws and thats what im absolutely deenthusiasm do huge amountws and thats what im absolutely deenthusiasm doithez amountws of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the party. And thats the labour party. And thats because plan. The labour party. And thats beceif;e plan. The labour party. And thats beceif you plan. The labour party. And thats beceif you dont plan. The labour party. And thats beceif you dont have plan. The labour party. And thats beceif you dont have a plan. The labour party. And thats beceif you dont have a plan,tn. And if you dont have a plan, you deliver change. You cant deliver real change. And general election and when the general election comes, message ill comes, thats the message ill be to the country. Stick be making to the country. Stick with plan it with our plan because it is starting deliver the change starting to deliver the change that country and needs i all lyman all right. Stick with rishi. He says plan going to he says the plan is going to work. Him . Joining he says the plan is going to work. Is him . Joining he says the plan is going to work. Is gb him . Joining he says the plan is going to work. Is gb newsim . Joining he says the plan is going to work. Is gb news senior ning me now is gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson. Nigel rishi sunak has nelson. Nigel rishi sunak has got a point there in wellingborough. Labour only increased their vote count by 107 from 2019. Meanwhile, the tories lost a whopping well nearly 25,000 on the nose. So people arent going from the tories to labour. Theyre just so disillusioned. Theyre not voting. Voting. No, i think youre right there, ben , that the reason both there, ben, that the reason both in kings wood and wellingborough was the tory vote simply staying at home. People are so disillusioned with the tories , they just werent tories, they just werent prepared to come out and vote. I think thats a pity. I think that, um, even if you dont like any of the candidates, that voting a precious and hard voting is a precious and hard won right . Voting is a precious and hard won right . And the voting is a precious and hard won right . And the least voting is a precious and hard won right . And the least you should do is , is show that should do is, is show that youre not complacent, should do is, is show that youre not complacent , turn out, youre not complacent, turn out, spoil your ballot paper , write a spoil your ballot paper, write a rude message to the candidate which they will read because candidates are read every single small ballot paper. Uh, nigel, miriam cates and danny kruger, prominent tory mps , the co chairs of the new Conservatives Group of backbench mps. Theyve urged the government to change course after that by election bloodbath. They urge rishi sunak to quote , cut taxes that hit to quote, cut taxes that hit working families, including lowering the rate of income tax and raising punitive thresholds. And raising punitive thresholds. Uh, what do you make of that . Is that the right course of action to save sunaks skin . Well, the problem with that is that have in is that you still have in relation at double the 2 target that the bank of england sets for it. So really tax cuts at the moment are going to be irresponsible as far as the economy goes. Now its an Election Year. The chances are we will get some tax cuts in in the budget next month. But um, the budget next month. But um, quite how much that that the chancellor , jeremy hunt, can chancellor, jeremy hunt, can afford to spend remains to be seen. He seems to be dampening down expectations at the moment. So the plan that rishi sunak keeps banging on about doesnt seem to be working, that he hasnt stopped the boats. Uh, hes not getting any credit for the National Insurance cut from last year. The National Insurance cut from last year. Uh, so at the moment it just seems to be all gloom and doom for the tory party. Nigel, do you know what i mean . I might sound naive here, but i dont think many people really about, you know, really care about, you know, two tax here and there or tax cuts here and there or inflation coming down by this date. Inflation is coming down globally so not globally anyway. So im not going sunak for going to give sunak credit for that. Why dont the conservatives got conservatives theyve got nothing theyre facing nothing to lose. Theyre facing extinction this election. Why extinction at this election. Why dont they say were going dont they just say were going to stop the boats by leaving the echr. Were going to commit to that. Uh, were going to think about policy akin to about a turn back policy akin to australia. Dont just australia. Why dont they just grab the horns and grab the bull by the horns and give what they want . Give the people what they want . Conservatism give the people what they want . Con um, atism give the people what they want . Con um, because give the people what they want . Conum, because wouldnt give the people what they want . Con um, because wouldnt work give the people what they want . Conum, because wouldnt work. Um, because it wouldnt work. I mean, you mentioned you mentioned the, the turning the boats back to france. Um, these are not french citizens. Are not french citizens. Um, they came from france. It um, they came from france. It was a safe country. Was a safe country. They may have done, but they passed through france rather, rather than than actually arrive there. They arrived from a lot of other countries. They can stay there, cant they . They came they . Thats where they came from. Boats from. Australia turned boats back middle the ocean, back in the middle of the ocean, put in, in safe put them in, put them in safe vessels, literally vessels, and they literally towed either to their towed them back. Either to their where from to where they came from or to offshore processing sites. It offshore processing sites. It works for them. Works for them. If youve got an offshore processing site , which is what processing site, which is what italy is doing with albania , uh, italy is doing with albania, uh, um, you can do that. We um, then you can do that. We havent offshore havent got any offshore processing sites that are rwanda scheme is not about offshore processing. Its about sending processing. Its about sending people to rwanda and then staying there. Now you cant tow staying there. Now you cant tow them all the way to rwanda. Even them all the way to rwanda. Even if rwanda was working. Uh, and if rwanda was working. Uh, and certainly just turning them back, back to the way the australians did doesnt work. Well, there are no International Waters between here and france. Theres 150 waters between here and france. Theres150 miles waters between here and france. Theres 150 miles between been, uh, australia and india easier. And the boats are bigger. Uh, australia and india easier. And the boats are bigger. You and the boats are bigger. You start turning them back, boats are going to sink. About the falklands . What about the falklands . What about the falklands . Well, thats an even longer, longer way to go to tow a boat. Um and im not sure falkland islanders will be terribly keen on their own. Look, nigel, were getting bogged down in my in my point about the turn back policy then, but echr . About the turn back policy then, but commit echr . About the turn back policy then, but commit to echr . About the turn back policy then, but commit to it. Echr . About the turn back policy then, but commit to it. Thats echr . About the turn back policy then, but commit to it. Thats what hr . Just commit to it. Thats what people want. People well, people may want it. I mean, question really mean, the question really is whether that we want to whether or not that we want to be to go along with international or not. Um, so International Law or not. Um, so turning our backs on the echr causes all sorts of problems. Not not least, what would happen in Northern Ireland over the Peace Process that relies on the European Convention on human rights and the Peace Process . There would be in danger if we decided to leave each air. Well, Robert Jenrick , the well, Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, he told Patrick Christys the other night that actually we should declare this, um , illegal boat declare this, um, illegal boat problem. The boats coming on the southern border as a National Security threat. And that way we could get a lot more done. But nigel political nigel nelson, senior political commentator gb thank commentator for gb news, thank you appreciate your you so much. Appreciate your time. For all the best time. Okay for all the best analysis and opinion on that story. Eamonn analysis and opinion on that story. Eamonn im analysis and opinion on that story. Eamonn im sure you guys story. Eamonn im sure you guys have to say about have got a lot to say about the boats how the tories can boats and how the tories can turn things around. To turn things around. Go to the website gbnews. Com and also hit us up on our socials. Right. Us up on our socials. Right. Lets head to russia. Vladimir putin must pay. Thats what leaders have been saying from around the world in reaction to the news that russian Opposition Leader navalny has died leader Alexei Navalny has died in prison , reports of his death, in prison, reports of his death, if theyre true and i have no reason to believe theyre not, russian authorities are going to tell own story. Tell their own story. But make no mistake, make no mistake , putin is responsible mistake, putin is responsible for navalnys death. Putin is responsible. Responsible. Well, the uk foreign secretary lord David Cameron, says that putin should be held accountable for whats happened. Accountable for whats happened. No one should doubt the dreadful nature of regime, quote nature of his regime, quote unquote , navalny. Meanwhile, he unquote, navalny. Meanwhile, he was serving a 19 Year Prison Sentence after being convicted of extremism and fraud following his vocal opposition to Vladimir Putins regime, the russian pfison putins regime, the Russian Prison Service navalny Prison Service said navalny collapsed and lost consciousness dunng collapsed and lost consciousness during a walk his widow, yulia, has pleaded to the world to punish putin. I want to call on the entire world community, everyone in this room and people around the world that we come together to unite and defeat this evil, defeat the horrific regime that is now in russia. All right. Joining me now is the host of gb news saturday five show, which is on tonight seven till eight. Well be on there with the man himself, darren grimes. And Political Correspondent emma burnell. Darren, let me start with you. Um, of course, comes off um, this, of course, comes off the back of Tucker Carlsons now infamous interview with Vladimir Putin last week. The timing is interesting, isnt it . Why would putin execute a political rival just when all the eyes of the world are on him . Following that Tucker Carlson interview . Tucker carlson interview . Well, weve just seen footage actually in the mail of his mother coming of the prison mother coming out of the prison and i want and saying, look, i want my sons and the rest sons body back and all the rest of so we do have some so we do have some confirmation now, at least, that he dead. He is actually dead. Yeah. And, uh, you know, the question marks remain around. Happened and how its whats happened and how its been done. Perfectly fine on he was perfectly fine on wednesday his was wednesday when his lawyer was with and was his usual with him, and he was his usual gregarious , gallows humour self. Gregarious, gallows humour self. You know, he had a quick wit, almost british in his wit, actually. And so its a deeply actually. And so its a deeply sad state of affairs. But i think actually , to a certain think actually, to a certain extent, tucker has been president putins useful idiot. I mean, we saw footage of him and emma. I think well actually agree on this. And this is getting embarrassing. Darren. Were so far, so often because i saw footage of tucker in a russian supermarket and he was talking about the merits of and the way in which you can put a coin into a trolley and receive a trolley. And, and i thought, a trolley. And, and i thought, has he been to any asda in the United Kingdom or wherever else other supermarkets are, of course, available. And course, available. And i actually i worry that actually this has all been part of a ploy to actually boost russias International Recognition because all eyes were on him again. Right . They had taken their eyes off russia and the ukraine because of the fact that israel. And gaza have been on israel. And gaza have been on the nation and the worlds mind. The nation and the worlds mind. So i am a bit concerned that actually tucker has been played to a large extent, but tucker has been embarrassed. I mean, nigel farage told me yesterday he was pretty yesterday that he was pretty disappointed with his interview. He press and you he didnt press him. And do you know what . Even putin came out himself i was himself and said, i was surprised how bad. Yeah, surprised of how bad. Yeah, putin was softball putin said it was to softball an interview. Putin said it was to softball an intethats i mean, how does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,s i mean, how does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,s i metimtow does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,s i metim justdoes that i mean, maybe im just connecting i mean, maybe im just conn importance of democracy, well, people mourning the of people mourning the death of navalny on the streets of russia have actually been arrested. Right . People are being clamped down upon arrest. So down upon under arrest. So i think its a really important point that nigel raises, actually, and one that should actually, and one that we should be aware of. But be mightily aware of. But i would say i think its terribly naive of people like lord David Cameron to turn around and say, actually , putin must be punished actually, putin must be punished. What are we supposed to do . We cannot go to war with these people. I think that sort of people. I think that sort of rhetoric is actually incredibly dangerous , because ultimately, dangerous, because ultimately, what what navalnys death has shown is that putin now has political invulnerable military. He is no longer vulnerable at the ballot box. He has managed to see off his biggest opposition, quite literally. See opposition, quite literally. See him off. Yeah. Well, yeah. And im sure that this kind of im not sure that this kind of rhetoric from our foreign secretary is at all useful or are actually at all remotely viable or sensible and, emma, do you know what im you know, i love my country. Im quite patriotic. But what on earth does do our leaders think we are going to do in a military conflict with russia . So i dont think its about us going into a war or hot war with russia in the last couple of weeks. I think its more about what they have. But again, i think that is largely pre budget mod positioning. But pre budget mod positioning. But there are things that we can do. We could , for example, put much we could, for example, put much more pressure on, for example, the Republican Party in the us to step up and help to fund the war in ukraine. The war in ukraine is where the front line is happening. And i know some ukrainians who have come over here as refugees as a result. Here as refugees as a result. Um, you know, they are incredibly passionate about the need , not just for that war to need, not just for that war to won be for their own country, but because that it is, you know, if it doesnt stop in ukraine, there are other places former iron curtain countries that could are absolutely terrified that they will be next. And that is what i mean by taking putin seriously. Its not a case of us are saying, oh yeah, were going to invade russia tomorrow. Um, i dont want to go down the Kenny Everett road a lot of our viewers would say is, is our Bottomless Pit taxpayer money Bottomless Pit of taxpayer money to fund this war in ukraine, the invasion of ukraine, is it sustainable . Do we want to keep sending billions and billions . The republicans in america are arming and worrying about sending what, 90 sending another what, 90 billion . That an issue, billion . Is that an issue, or have got a good point . Have they got a good point . Well, i think emma has a point that things are going point in that things are going to change in the states to change in the United States of america. Know, of america. You know, the democrats be their democrats may well be on their way if poland is to be way out if poland is to be believed. And President Trump back in office. Now, what does that mean for ukraine . Because if the United States position changes , we are not spending changes, we are not spending anywhere near enough. Ben, on defence in this country. So the idea that we can continue to support ukraine on our own or with other european allies is for the birds. So with other european allies is for the birds. So actually what for the birds. So actually what america does, im afraid that to a large extent weve been talking this morning. You and i, about the way in which the United States of america is seeking extradition of Julian Assange , for example. So all of assange, for example. So all of these things are called into question. And the nature of what we do, i think is, is reflected by what america wants to happen. I ill make that point. Juuan i ill make that point. Julian assange has been rotting in belmarsh since 2019 with no trial. Before that. In belmarsh since 2019 with no trial. Before that. He was holed away in the dusty Ecuadorian Embassy because he, uh, committed the crime of releasing and exposing american war crimes. Its rank hypocrisy, isnt it, from the likes of David Cameron. David cameron. Look, i dont have a strong point on Julian Assange. There are other things that i would take issue with him over and over and above wikileaks, which i think has played an Important Role in in putting sunlight into certain areas and at other times has played a considerably less salubrious role. Um, so i think salubrious role. Um, so i think that there are questions to be asked about Julian Assange himself and wikileaks as a whole, as an organisation where its done right and wrong. But i think in terms of, um, what changes in american Foreign Policy might have if you when were talking about investing in defence, when were talking about investing money in ukraine, when we know that that war in ukraine has cost us, not the money that were putting in in just in sending, um , support in just in sending, um, support to the ukrainians , its more to the ukrainians, its more because of the way that the russian aggression there has raised world prices. And when we are saying we have to be strong , are saying we have to be strong, part of that is to make sure that things that things like gas pnces that things that things like gas prices come down, that we have gas security in the uk, that is an important part of our National Security program that weve completely would have been goodif weve completely would have been good if we became self sustainable built some good if we became self su poweryle built some good if we became self su power stations. Uilt some Nuclear Power stations. Ten years ago when we had. Ten years ago when we had. Couldnt ten years ago when we had. More. Couldnt agree more. Uh, right, i move on. Uh, darren grimes, very darren grimes, thank you very much. Saturday, five tonight. Absolutely. 7 00. Absolutely. Well see you there. Well see you there. Weve got belinda who else . Weve got belinda de lucy, weve benjamin de lucy, weve got benjamin butterworth, in butterworth, the wokeist man in britain and amankona britain and Albie Amankona queen gammon. Gammon. Belinda absolutely call herself. Im political herself. Im political consultant emma burnell. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Donald trump of says he. Donald trump of course, says he. Well, reckons hed well, he reckons that hed end the war with in 24 hours the ukraine war with in 24 hours if he was president. The ukraine war with in 24 hours if he was president. Remains to be seen. I guess youre watching listening news saturday listening to gb news saturday with leo. More with me. Ben leo. Lots more coming todays show, coming up on todays show, including of including thousands of pro palestine supporters marching in Central London. And by the way, when we went to the ground with will hollis, we saw people past with masks people walking past with masks on, saying on, Holding Placards saying from the sea. Thought the river to the sea. I thought the river to the sea. I thought the clamping down on the cops were clamping down on that. Not. Um, theyre that. Obviously not. Um, theyre calling for immediate calling for an immediate ceasefire back calling for an immediate ceethe re back calling for an immediate ceethe ground back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. Back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. All back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. All ofick calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. All of that on the ground there. All of that and more to come. Youre watching and listening to gb and more to come. Youre watchi britains stening to gb and more to come. Youre watchi britains newsg to gb and more to come. Youre watchi britains news channel. News radio show. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on your tv online and on digital radio. Now lets go to the streets of london, where thousands of pro palestine supporters are marching in Central London. Of course, as i said, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, processors are filling the streets of the caphal are filling the streets of the capital, waving palestinian flags , Holding Placards calling flags, Holding Placards calling for palestinian freedom and, of course, an end to the war in the gaza strip. Joining me now is gb News Reporter will hollis, whos in the capital. Will seems in the capital. Oh, will seems a lot busier than the last couple of um let me just make of hours. Um let me just make this to you. Will ive this point to you. Will ive seen, uh, in our last couple of hits, saying from the hits, placards saying from the river the sea. I thought the river to the sea. I thought the cops that cops were clamping down on that nonsense. Yes, well, its in the nonsense. Yes, well, its in the shadow of some of britains biggest war memorials. That right now, hundreds of thousands of people are marching through the city streets of london calling for a ceasefire in one of the most deadly contacts conflicts that has happenedin contacts conflicts that has happened in the middle east for many, many years. Many, many years. And theyre here because theyre calling for that ceasefire to stop the War Coalition and the palestine solidarity campaign. And theyre moving down along the side of hyde park. And theres hundreds of thousands of people, a sea of palestine flags, as well as some union jack in there as well. And theres only one direction that theyre going in for this particular march, the ninth global march thats taken through the cities since october 7, when 1400 people were killed by hamas in israel. And the direction that theyre going is actually the Israeli Embassy. And its significant because this is the first time that protesters have done this since october 7, and theyre calling for a ceasefire because theyre saying that the death toll of 28,000 palestinians, mainly women and children, is too high. And theyre calling on our politicians to back that ceasefire youre going to see a lot of police here as well in the capital city, 1500 officers that are on patrol across the city, but most of them are here. And the commander in charge of policing this event from police, he says that what is going on in the middle east is having a profound and polarising effect on policing in the capital city. Now, what theyre going to be looking for is a couple of things. Theyre going to be looking for people might looking for people that might be supporting hamas, that be supporting hamas, that might be supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation, organisation , and theyre also organisation, and theyre also going to be for anybody going to be looking for anybody that be inciting violence that might be inciting violence or racism. Now theyre or hatred or racism. Now theyre going to be looking with their eyes and their ears, but theyre also going to looking with also going to be looking with cctv going cctv and theyre going to be doing facial doing that using facial recognition well as recognition cameras as well as just regular cctv cameras looking just people that looking for not just people that are here right now, but potentially people that have been wanted for offences and crimes related to the other protests that have been happening here. Now, this isnt happening here. Now, this isnt happening in isolation. This is happening in isolation. This is happening right now because there is going to be a vote in parliament, not just the conservatives, just the conservatives, not just the government, also labour is government, but also labour is going lot of pressure going to have a lot of pressure put them calling for put on them calling for a ceasefire. The snp tabling that motion. But will the two biggest motion. But will the two biggest parties, the conservatives and the labour, be supporting it this week . Police on the ground this week . Police on the ground in london. Thanks very much. I dont know if you saw will, but somebody walked you somebody walked past you with a placard saying off placard saying hang aids off yemen. I dont know what these clowns think is going on in the red sea, houthi rebel red sea, but houthi rebel terrorists are turning commercial around. Theyre terrorists are turning commerc ships around. Theyre terrorists are turning commerc ships withound. Theyre terrorists are turning commerc ships with akid. Theyre terrorists are turning commerc ships with ak 47 theyre boarding ships with ak 47 seconds. Theyre engaging in seconds. Um, theyre engaging in conflict with various navies. What do you mean . Hands off yemen. But well well leave it there friend. There with you, my friend. Thanks very much. Lets go to scotland scottish scotland now. Where our scottish reporter, tony maguire is at a similar march. Tony, whats the news on the ground . Looks a bit more peaceful there compared to Central London. Indeed, yes. Good afternoon. Well im at the Scottish Event Centre here on the clyde side of glasgow and this is the destination for , for todays destination for, for todays march from George Square over to the acc. And thats because behind me is the scottish labour conference. And yesterday we heard a 70 minute mammoth speech from anas sarwar decry the acts of hamas. Back in october and also of the bombardment of gaza and the number of civilian children that have died along the way. Now, a couple of hours the way. Now, a couple of hours ago, there was a vote held at the conference and they voted to agree with nobody speaking out and to against a ceasefire. And of course , this all comes ahead of course, this all comes ahead of course, this all comes ahead of next weeks vote in the commons, which the snp is bringing yet another ceasefire vote last time, the two scottish labour mps they voted sorry, they chose to abstain from that vote. And if you remember well , vote. And if you remember well, keir starmer, he lost a significant chunk of his frontbench that day , along with frontbench that day, along with several aides. Now now the snp, theyre basically trying to apply theyre basically trying to apply pressure on scottish labour to whip those two mps into voting for, for and support of a ceasefire here. And of course , that has been such course, that has been such a huge talking point at this conference. But as we speak, there are thousands of people about halfway along the route now. I really thought they would be here a little bit sooner. But indeed, the glasgow weather, you can always rely to slow things down grinding halt. But down to a grinding halt. But certainly that says nothing of the Police Presence here. Several dozen police here today already, and we did see them at one point actually widening the cordon. And because perhaps they miss, they missed. Sorry. They under um, estimated the number of protesters was looking at the cctv image. Cctv images of George Square earlier on this afternoon. It did look like there were increasingly several thousand. Um and many, many more joining. So theyre on their way joining. So theyre on their way here. Behind me is the labour conference. But also the wedding show. So Police Scotland certainly on hand to make sure that everything runs smoothly. That everything runs smoothly. All right. Great stuff tony mcguire in scotland. Thanks very much. Do you know what much. Do you know what i question the intention of these marches because they started days terrorist attack days after the terrorist attack on october the 7th. Uh, israel. On october the 7th. Uh, israel. Worst atrocity since the holocaust. So when you get people, as we saw in wallaces report, Walking Around with hands off yemen, like , ill say hands off yemen, like, ill say it again, there are a bunch of clowns. How can you support terrorists back terrorists turning back commercial . In my opinion, commercial ships . In my opinion, of course. Um, but yeah, it remains to be seen what happens with that. Want with that. They want a ceasefire. Will get it . Uh, ceasefire. Will they get it . Uh, i down to hamas to i guess its down to hamas to release first. Now release the hostages first. Now youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. Ben. Leo. Up on leo. Lots more coming up on todays an hour left. Todays show. Half an hour left. But with but first, heres the news. With severe. Severe. Thanks, ben. Its 232. Im sophia wenzler in the gb news room. Therell be consequences room. Therell be consequences for the death of Alexei Navalny. That was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met Foreign Ministers from the g7 in munich today. Foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today. They took part in munich today. They took part in a minutes silence after vigils and protests were held across the world in support of Vladimir Putins most vocal critic , lord putins most vocal critic, lord camerons comments were backed by sir keir starmer. Camerons comments were backed by sir keir starmer. As crowds by sir keir starmer. As crowds gathered outside the Russian Embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death. Those accountable for his death. Those gathered at the Munich Security Conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin. And nato laying blame on putin. In. One person has been arrested as thousands of protesters march in london in support of palestine. Up to 250,000 people palestine. Up to 250,000 people are expected at the demonstration near the Israeli Embassy. Around 1500 police embassy. Around 1500 Police Officers from forces across britain are on public order duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6 00 this evening. A third of small boat evening. A third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was Prime Minister thats according to new analysis by the labour party. They say its proof the governments focus on its rwanda plan isnt enough to solve the crisis. The government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings. Last year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier. Year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier. And compared to a year earlier. And farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. Fewer at what they say are cheap. International imports around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Theyre tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. Theyre aiming to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britains Food Security. They say they cant compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done, british farmers wont be able to afford to feed the British Public. For the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com alerts now its back to ben. Ben. Thank you very much, sophia. Thank you very much, sophia. Now remember you guys at home, you can get in touch about all of topics been of the topics weve been discussing trump, discussing today donald trump, alexei , uh, the tory Alexei Navalny, uh, the tory bloodbath by election bloodbath in the by election harry and meghan, of course. By emailing gbviews gbnews. Uk or emailing us gbviews gbnews. Uk or on our socials. Were at gb news. Lots more coming up on todays show, including as mentioned, well be delving into more of russias most significant Opposition Leader for the past decade, Alexei Navalny , who has died in an navalny, who has died in an Arctic Circle jail sounds pretty grim. Uh, foreign secretary grim. Uh, foreign secretary David Cameron says , quote, no David Cameron says, quote, no one should be in any doubt about the dreadful nature of Vladimir Putins russia, putins regime in, what, russia, uh , has after whats uh, has after whats just happened. Im asking you guys happened. So im asking you guys at home, viewers , do you happened. So im asking you guys at h0inavalnyyiewers , do you happened. So im asking you guys at h0inavalny. Ewers , do you happened. So im asking you guys at h0inavalny. Was; , do you happened. So im asking you guys at h0inavalny. Was silenced, or think navalny. Was silenced, or is there more to this . Get in touch on the emails, all of that and more to come. Im ben, leo radio. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on tv, onune saturday with me, ben leo on tv, online and digital radio. Of course, im going to get stuck into some emails now, some very quick ones, john says of course, was silenced. Course, navalny was silenced. Um, putin got of him before course, navalny was silenced. Um russianiot of him before course, navalny was silenced. Um russian elections, im before course, navalny was silenced. Um russian elections, where ore course, navalny was silenced. Um russian elections, where no the russian elections, where no one will now challenge him. Uh, one will now challenge him. Uh, mark says even if navalny died of clot, it would have of a blood clot, it would have been poor health, due to been due to poor health, due to the bad Living Conditions of his, prison situation. His, um, prison situation. Of course, was in that arctic course, he was in that arctic prison about 1500 miles north of moscow. I think the temperatures moscow. I think the temperatures were Something Like 28 degrees. And says , of course, and jennifer says, of course, the russian Opposition Leader was murdered. What a brave man. Was murdered. What a brave man. Whats the point of having an election in russia . Uh, really good question. And im going to put that to our next guest. Put that now to our next guest. Um, tell who it is in um, ill tell you who it is in just minute. Hes an expertise just a minute. Hes an expertise in foreign intelligence. Philip in foreign intelligence. Philip ingram, secretary ingram, the foreign secretary for David Cameron. He says Vladimir Putin should be held accountable death of accountable for the death of Alexei Navalny. Lord cameron said president had said the russian president had fabricated charges against the opposition and no one opposition politician and no one should be in doubt about the dreadful of regime. Dreadful nature of his regime. Philip ingram joins me now. Former senior military intelligence. Officer philip, is intelligence. Officer philip, is this as clear cut as it appears in the media . Um, putin hes just hes taken out a political rival. My question was, well , it rival. My question was, well, it was more of an interesting point. Why is it it come to coincide with Tucker Carlsons infamous involved in russia last week . Week . Well, its not completely clear cut because navalny is not a well man having been poisoned with novichok a couple of years ago. And as you say in this, um, ago. And as you say in this, um, extreme prison, 1500km north of moscow. But he was under the moscow. But he was under the care of the russian state prison system and, and Vladimir Putin has got a habit of taking those out who oppose him, whether it be by, um, forcing him to take up a Window Cleaning job, deciding to have a heart attack next saturday, or, um, mysteriously dying, as weve seen with navalny here. Um, and putin has said , um, and putin has said, silenced him, stopped him from running against him in the president ial election by, um, getting him a criminal conviction. But whats interesting of interest to me is this is exactly , um, a month this is exactly, um, a month before for putins president ial election , the last time there election, the last time there was a president ial election, exactly ten days before, it was whenever there was the attack on sergei skripal. So i think this sergei skripal. So i think this is putin sending a message to those that are potentially going to oppose him, saying, i dont stand for opposition. Stand for opposition. What do you make of, um , the what do you make of, um, the uk government summoning the Russian Embassy in london . I mean, to whats be frank . Whats the point of that . What are the russians in london going to say . Diplomatic dancing. Um, its diplomatic dancing. Um, you know, its going to achieve no more than a stiff letter being handed across to say this is unacceptable. But but is unacceptable. But but actually more important , david actually more important, David Camerons across at the Munich Security Conference. Hes talking to a lot of his International Partners and theres a big clamour to try and increase the amount of support thats given ukraine. Thats been given to ukraine. Ukraine suffering a lack of ukraine is suffering a lack of ammunition ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh tion ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh , on ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh , also ukraine is suffering a lack of ammuh , also getting access and, uh, also getting access potentially to, um, frozen russian assets. Theres a lot of debate going on as to whether those frozen assets should be used to help the ukrainians fund their war against russia , and to their war against russia, and to help fund the reconstruction of ukraine. Philip, youre a military man. Uh, when does this war end . Man. Uh, when does this war end . And are the russians winning . And are the russians winning . Um, the war has got many years to go yet. Um, the russians arent winning. Um, we russians arent winning. Um, we analyse success or failure. Um, analyse success or failure. Um, a little bit too much in a one dimensional way, by trying to look at how the front line moves. Um and the russians are making progress on the front line. Just line. The ukrainians have just withdrawn , um, the of withdrawn from, um, the city of avdiivka that theyve been trying to for , defend well, trying to for, defend well, since 2014. Um, but what we miss then is the sort of the third or Fourth Dimension of the conflict thats going on. Um, and thats all happening in the, in the background. And we see that with the ukrainians sinking, background. And we see that with the ukrainians sinking , the the ukrainians sinking, the Russian Black Sea fleet time after time. Theres reports today that three russian fighter jets have been shot down. We keep hearing of russian Oil Refineries mysteriously blowing up, military factories blowing up. Drones have been fired at russian airfields inside russia. Russian airfields inside russia. Um, and at moscow. We keep heanng um, and at moscow. We keep hearing of russian command and control headquarter was being blown up. Russian logistic bases, their railway lines. All of this is hollowing russia out from from behind. And russias losing about a thousand troops a day on the front line. It cant day on the front line. It cant keep up with its own , um, keep up with its own, um, ammunition usage and is now relying on north korea. Relying on north korea. So sorry to interject. Why hasnt ukraine . Why hasnt ukraine done the business yet . Theyre getting untold amounts of the of taxpayer money from the us and america. Why havent they and america. Why havent they finished job . Finished the job . Because land warfare is exceptionally complex. You have to fight over every metre of ground and that is crawling with 60 plus kilograms of kit and fighting your way through against individuals who are physically fighting back against you. Its not something that you you. Its not something that you can do quickly. This will take years. Well, they always used to say, when i was growing up that wed a warfare wed never see a land warfare conflict again. They said it conflict again. They said it would jets and drones and would be jets and drones and when see some of the footage when you see some of the footage doing the rounds on the internet of lads , both of these young lads, both russian and ukrainian being sent to it, um , beyond to war, you know, it, um, beyond the headlines, uh , and the the headlines, uh, and the conjecture, really hits home conjecture, it really hits home what these guys are going through. Former senior through. But former senior military officer military Intelligence Officer philip ingram, thank you so much for afternoon. For joining us this afternoon. Okay youre watching listening to gb news saturday with me, ben leo, lots more up on leo, lots more coming up on todays show, including as second electric car prices second hand electric car prices plunge across the board. No plunge across the board. No surprise in my book. I think theyre absolutely torrid. Im asking , are theyre absolutely torrid. Im asking, are we seeing the beginning of the end of the electric car revolution . I know some you are big fans of some of you are big fans of tesla and the like, and of course, the climate argument. It, its strengths as it, uh, has its strengths as well. Them well. But my problem with them is you know, can you trust is just you know, can you trust going from london to scotland in a tesla without filling up on electricity , without the worry electricity, without the worry about being , uh, dumped by the about being, uh, dumped by the side of the motorway . I dont side of the motorway . I dont think all of and more think so. All of that and more coming up. Youre watching, listening to gb news, radio. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on your tv, online and digital radio. 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Joining me now is motoring journalist quintin wilson. Quintin, let me quintin wilson. Quintin, let me just be frank, isnt this because electric cars are a bit naff and like me, we just prefer the smell and the sound and the vibrations of a you know, a land rover a defender. Vibrations of a you know, a land rover a defender. Well look, rover or a defender. Well look, ben, im sensing that you dont drive an electric car and you dont like them. Um, look , ive been driving um, look, ive been driving them since 2009. Ive driven to france and back 780 miles, one way at three charges. There work and really, your viewers should talk to people who own electric cars to get the full picture here. Um, they, of course, they depreciated last year because consumers arent buying big ticket items, as you said. You know, the quarter for was was a recession technically. Mhm. Um, recession technically. Mhm. Um, but they are used a real bargain at the moment. But they are used a real bargain at the moment. And thats why at the moment. And thats why the used market has grown by 91. Uh, for evs. Uh, and you know, uh, for evs. Uh, and you know, people are saying that actually theyve got price parity issues with, with petrol and diesel cdls. Cars. So how much can you get a second hand tesla for quentin at the moment 15 grand for model three okay. And they were originally new what 45 or something. Yeah. And he did several yeah. And he did several cuts. And i bought one three years ago. And its done 40,000 miles. I havent had any issues at all with it. And im not going to get rid of it any time soon because its great and it works. Um, but, you know, its a great time to buy an electric car now because prices are so low. And one of the reasons, low. And one of the reasons, leo, that they low is, yes, leo, that they are low is, yes, sure. Weve had this this technical recession in quarter four, also theres this four, but also theres this tirade of anti ev misinformation on the media. So consumers read it and they go to social media. They read read the papers. One paper 160 continuous days of anti ev stories. And they say no anti ev stories. And they say no i dont want one of these cars. So again i stress, you know if youre thinking about buying electric car talk to someone who has driven and owned one and not listen to people who havent dnven listen to people who havent driven or owned one, and who are i ideologically opposed to . Electric cars on a cellular bafis electric cars on a cellular basis like you , leo . Yeah. Basis like you, leo . Yeah. I mean, do you know what i am . I inching towards the am . I am inching towards the idea because the of times idea because the amount of times ive been at traffic lights and ive been at traffic lights and ive by side with ive been side by side with a tesla, they are rapid. They are so quick, you know, even even against supercars, and against supercars, mclarens and ferraris , theyre brilliant. But ferraris, theyre brilliant. But quinton, concern is that quinton, the concern is that theres not the theres just not the infrastructure in the uk. You said france. When said you drove to france. When was that . Where was it from . What you to fill 7 up. Up . That was birmingham to bordeaux. I charged at home and bordeaux. I charged at home and then did three charges in france and got there fine and got there back. And got there fine and got there back. Now there are a and got there fine and got there back. Now there are a million evs on british roads. Are we seeing them , you know, running seeing them, you know, running out of battery on the hard shoulder. Were not and are we heanng shoulder. Were not and are we hearing from those Million People who say, i want to give it back . I dont like it. No, were not. Yes. The infrastructure needs work and we need those 300,000 chargers. And im pushing the government as hard as they can. But the government is kind of fossil fuel. So then, you know, the conservatives really arent interested in this. Whereas labouri interested in this. Whereas labour i think are much more. So look, yes we need more infrastructure. But 80 of people who own electric cars charge them at home while they sleep. Okay. All right. Youre slowly convincing me, quentin. You say theyre not breaking down on the hard shoulder, but you have media stories of. You have seen media stories of. Yeah, ill take you into my, my electric car and well have a few hours and ill tell you, mate, i will. Sounds good. Lets do it. You can turn me over to the dark side. Quentin willson , motoring side. Quentin willson, motoring journalist. Thanks very much. Journalist. Thanks very much. You fancy electric cars . Nana . No, its an empty promise. He promised me the same thing i yeah. Yeah. I dont 5 i dont believe a word of it. Theyre for me. Theyre just not for me. Know, i prefer my you know, i prefer my favourite smell is petrol. I know bizarre, but. No, i dont want one. No, no, no, i dont want one. No, no, no, i dont want one. . No, no, no, i dont want one. I can see the downfalls. I can see the downfalls. Theyre very heavy. Its just. Im dont im not buying it. I also dont like that being like the fact that were being forced. Going to do it forced. Im not going to do it because im being forced do because im being forced to do it. Its like when i was young, that yeah, ill do if that was me. Yeah, ill do it if i listen, weve got i want to. But listen, weve got loads whats your loads coming out. Whats on your show . Andrea show . Ive got dame andrea jenkins. Political jenkins. Shes my political spotlight legend. Yeah absolutely. Talking about the whole labour whole thing. You know, labour party elections. Party winning two by elections. But small turnout. But with a very small turnout. Also, uri geller will be talking about whats going on in israel. Still in israel. Hes still in israel. Hes at museum. Hes at his museum. Thankfully, happened thankfully, nothings happened to him and those around him. But obviously theres a lot going on there. Got the protests. There. Weve got the protests. Were to leave protest were going to leave the protest because and tired were going to leave the protest bethem and tired were going to leave the protest bethem up and tired were going to leave the protest bethem up everyid tired were going to leave the protest bethem up every weekend. Of them taking up every weekend. Im up with them. Im fed up with them. Thats the thing. Did well, thats the thing. Did you today . Will hollis is you see today . Will hollis is down after all you see today . Will hollis is dovt conjecture after all you see today . Will hollis is dovt conjecture the fter all you see today . Will hollis is dovtconjecture the rhetoric the conjecture and the rhetoric from were going from the police, were going to clamp down on this. People walking placards walking past with placards saying, hands saying, one was saying, hands off other people, off yemen. Um, other people, viewers emailed saying viewers have emailed saying people were holding saying people were Holding Signs saying from river the sea. So, from the to river the sea. So, you theyre not acting on it. They dont understand what the are. Mean, the houthis are. I mean, the houthis pirates also houthis are pirates and also terrorists. Mean, its quite terrorists. I mean, its quite straightforward forward. So if thats after, then, straightforward forward. So if that know after, then, straightforward forward. So if that know , after, then, straightforward forward. So if that know , so after, then, straightforward forward. So if that know , so forth,after, then, straightforward forward. So if that know , so forth, so,r, then, straightforward forward. So if that know , so forth, so, so hen, straightforward forward. So if that know , so forth, so, so well you know, so forth, so, so well support the houthis. But theres loads show. Loads going on this show. Like all right. Sounds like a cracking look forward to cracking show. Look forward to it. Me from it. Thats all for me from today. Watching listening. Youve been watching listening to saturday to gb news saturday with ben leo. So for leo. Thank you so much for joining us. And for your emails. Leo. Thank you so much for joining go and for your emails. Leo. Thank you so much for joining go anywhere. ur emails. Leo. Thank you so much for joining go anywhere. Nanaiails. Leo. Thank you so much for joining go anywhere. Nanaiai up do not go anywhere. Nana is up next and im back tomorrow. Oh, tonight actually by way, tonight actually by the way, saturday. Saturday five. But lets. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell archewell looking ahead for the rest of this weekend band this weekend we will see a band of heavy rain move across the country. Its all courtesy of country. Its all courtesy of these fronts. They will these weather fronts. They will just gradually spread their way eastward, winds coming eastward, but with winds coming in the southwest, in from the southwest, it is going mild weekend for going to be a mild weekend for all us. So so this evening we all of us. So so this evening we can see the rain working its way in west. Some heavy in from the west. Some heavy outbreaks of rain embedded in it. So we do have some warnings in force across parts of england and wales. There will be some and wales. So there will be some fairly difficult driving conditions are travelling conditions if you are travelling overnight tonight , but it will overnight tonight, but it will be a mild one. Temperatures for many staying double figures many staying in double figures across the south. And these temperatures where temperatures really are where we should the course should be during the course of the the time. The day, not the night time. This time of year. So a bit of a slow start across southeastern england. Still some heavy rain england. Still some heavy rain here, but it should up here, but it should dry up towards lunchtime and for most of be a brighter day. Of us it will be a brighter day. The day of the two. But the better day of the two. But there still be a few sherri there will still be a few sherri outbreaks of rain around, especially the middle especially during the middle part of day. But for all of part of the day. But for all of us, a mild one. Temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. Having a look at monday, another spell of rain will move its way across the country. Either side, there will country. Either side, there will be some drier and brighter moments and again will be moments and again it will be feeling fairly mild for the time of year. Tuesday wednesday again of year. Tuesday wednesday again remaining fairly changeable. Further of rain, further spells of rain, especially during the middle of the but temperatures for the week. But temperatures for all staying in double all of us staying in double figures day. Figures by day. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. Im nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. This show is all opinion. This show is all about opinion. Its mine , its theirs, of its mine, its theirs, and of course its yours. Well be course its yours. Well be debating, at debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one cancelled. So one will be cancelled. So joining me in an hours time is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , and also labour cundy, and also former labour Party Matthew laza. In Party Adviser matthew laza. In a few moments time well be mocking the week with lewis schaffer. But before we get started, lets get your latest news sophia wenzler. News with sophia wenzler. Thanks, nana. Good afternoon. Thanks, nana. Good afternoon. Its 3 00. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this hour. The family of Alexei Navalny have