Well as the two offences that mr kalief is facing, one, under the terrorism act and also the bomb hoax there now, of course, will be an additional penalty to serve, and that is for escaping from prison. What kind of future do you think this guy has . How long will his sentence be and how secure will this prison be . Well, i think he is going to be the most guarded prisoner in the prison system once hes been returned to lawful custody. I returned to lawful custody. I think hell undoubtedly be going to a prison where hell be under the most strictest conditions. And that will be very much looked at around how much time he is allowed to either associate with other prisoners or even to have sort of recreation time. Obviously, in terms of the offences, you know, weve got the common law offence of escaping from custody. It would down to obviously the would be down to obviously the courts to look at exactly the reasons and the motives why hes done this. But the fact hes been caught so quickly , it also been caught so quickly, it also will all depend on how he behaved when he was captured by the officers, whether he was any remorseful or anything like that. But like you say, the prison system still has a lot of questions to answer about how he was managed escape for so was managed to escape for so long, he got equipment long, how he got the equipment to obviously use to escape in the van. But hell be suspending a substantial time in custody as well. On top of the events hes already been charged with. Benton, former okay. Perry benton, former detective chief inspector, thank you very much for joining us detective chief inspector, thank you very much forjoining us on you very much for joining us on this dramatic day on gb news saturday. Were now joined by mark home and mark white, gb news home and security mark, thank you security editor. Mark, thank you for joining us. A hugely forjoining us. A hugely dramatic breakthrough here. A lot of people feared he may have jumped the country. I think actually when i spoke to you yesterday, suspicions were actually when i spoke to you yestermore suspicions were actually when i spoke to you yestermore that;uspicions were actually when i spoke to you yestermore that he icions were actually when i spoke to you yestermore that he ici0|still3re actually when i spoke to you yestermore that he ici0|still in much more that he was still in the local area. You were proven right. How effective and impressive think this impressive do you think this police been . Police operation has been . Its been well, i think its been a good Police Operation. They good Police Operation. They wanted to concentrate their search activity in the london area because they werent convinced that he had left the london area. Of course , course, london area. Of course, course, as any nationwide search is going to encompass, that does include food, ports and airports. So we saw all of the enhanced security at those ports and airports and all of the delays that ensued from that. But i think the police were still working on the theory that they believed he was in the local area until they heard otherwise. And i think what this does indicate to me anyway, is that it doesnt look like he received any kind of help from the outside or any substantial help of any measure. The very fact that he was still really in that area of west and south west london, more than three days on from his escape early on wednesday morning, tells you that there clearly was nothing organised in terms of getting him out of london because that would be the priority if anybody had actually arranged the escape , they would want to get him away from where that Significant Police activity was. Now the Police Activity was. Now the Police Activity was. Now the Police Activity initially really concentrate on the area that that bedford lorry took the lorry that he strapped himself underneath as he left the gate undetected by those guards at wandsworth prison. And that took wandsworth prison. And that took it right up to upper richmond road to the point where that was stopped. And of course, areas around there like Richmond Park, had got a lot of activity overnight right on thursday into friday. And then , you know, friday. And then, you know, called off on friday morning. Called off on friday morning. Thenit called off on friday morning. Then it was kind of back to the traditional sort of door to door enquiry , was looking at cctv enquiry, was looking at cctv from elsewhere on the route until we got that dramatic news through yesterday evening of a confirmed sighting of him just before the wandsworth roundabout of him getting out or at least leaving that bedford lorry and then walking down towards wandsworth high street or wandsworth high street or Wandsworth Town centre. It was Wandsworth Town centre. It was then obviously. Martin and then obviously. Martin and nothing was really heard until a bit later or well into the evening on on friday night when the search activity itself switched out to the Chiswick Area and then very fast moving overnight and into this morning with lots of Police Activity and multiple confirmed sightings of this man, changed his clothing. This man, changed his clothing. By this man, changed his clothing. By this time, he was out of his chefs uniform. That white top and the red and white checked trousers and was instead wearing a black baseball cap. Clearly in a black baseball cap. Clearly in a bid to hide his face and other dark clothing, including dark bottoms. And he was spotted bottoms. And he was spotted multiple times in the Chiswick Area. The Police Responded en area. The Police Responded en masse and they got their man. Masse and they got their man. According to Scotland Yard , just according to Scotland Yard, just before 11 00 this morning. Before 11 00 this morning. Mark white, thank you for joining us on this dramatic day. We can now go to bev turner gb news presenter , of course, who news presenter, of course, who lives in the area, was on the show earlier on, an eyewitness in the area. Dramatic, dramatic in the area. Dramatic, dramatic moments. Youre out for your morning you stumbled morning run and you stumbled into a Police Dragnet. Tell us into a Police Dragnet. Tell us what you saw and tell us what the latest is on the ground there. There. Yeah, apologies for the fact that im still in my running kit. Martin as you say, it has been a very fast moving here this morning. Weve been kept awake for two nights by Police Helicopters overhead. Theres been quite clear police been quite a clear police presence. Teddington twickenham, presence. Teddington twickenham, the area in which daniel grew up is a couple of 3 or 4 miles down the road here from chiswick, maybe a little more. And obviously wandsworth prison again, a bit in the same direction, a different direction, a different direction, but about same direction, a different dire was here five minutes ago and that was just in this particular area. And that was about 1015 this morning. And she said, if you see him ring 999 straight away, wearing black clothes away, hes wearing black clothes from t shirt, from head to toe, black t shirt, black rucksack. Dont approach black rucksack. Dont approach him. Ring 999. She said theres at moment theres at the moment theres a very long to through to 999. Long wait to get through to 999. So do try. And then shes so please do try. And then shes put the lights on. They went over the pay just walked past. Actually have said that they heard that he was this is unconfirmed but that he was found on the dukes avenue area near Chiswick High Road which is where the library is very popular with lots of children in the area, a lot of celebrity djs live around here. Not far from where he might have been reprimanded in the final instance. So, yeah, its been instance. So, yeah, its been very busy, but obviously everyone very relieved that hes been caught. Now, at this stage i okay. Beth, can you just give us an indication of the topography, the local area where the most likely mr khalifa been hiding out . So its a very wooded area, very green area. Lots of places where he can get under cover in the scrub. Yeah. And whats your theory on on where the place where he got off the lorry and where he was caught and the intervening time. Where think he was hiding where do you think he was hiding out . I dont know. Wandsworth terribly well , but wandsworth terribly well, but there is one rumour that ive heard today that he was followed towards kew bridge. So if you imagine most people are familiar with kew gardens, huge public park in london. Kew gardens is a very leafy area. There are lots of bridges along this section of the river thames where you can easily hide. And there is easily hide. And there is a rumour that he was sleeping on a park bench on kew bridge overnight. Last night, unconfirmed. This is just unconfirmed. This is just speculation from local people in the area. There was also a rumour this morning that hed got a car and was chased in a car. Again, unconfirmed , but the car. Again, unconfirmed, but the area is very quiet. As you can see, there is a lot of low traffic neighbourhoods around here. Its a ulez zone so the roads are quite quiet. Lots of roads are quite quiet. Lots of people have gardens, lots of people have gardens, lots of people have gardens, lots of people have driveways, lots of people have driveways, lots of people have driveways, lots of people have sheds and garages where would been easy to where it would have been easy to hide out. There are quite a lot of centres around here, of Sports Centres around here, a cricket club just over the road. Youve got the dukes meadow area, loads of rowing clubs actually its on the west of london. Were just close to junction , one of the m4, so you junction, one of the m4, so you can literally just hop out here and youre out into the countryside. A very nice countryside. So its a very nice area to live and it is very residential as you can see, interestingly. Martin in chiswick is or was until recently, it ran international, which is the iranian news channel. And that actually was forced to close because of the terrorist threats against the journalists working at the iran channelin journalists working at the iran channel in chiswick. Journalists working at the iran channel in chiswick. So chiswick channel in chiswick. So chiswick does have this connection to some iranian polity picks. I have no idea whether that is connected to daniel khalifa in any way. As mark was just saying , it very much seems like he was probably working on his own. Perhaps if there was somebody waiting to scoop him up, you think might be a boat think he might be on a boat overseas by he was overseas by now . He was obviously living rough few obviously living rough for a few days, that not have days, but that would not have been in this area. And been difficult in this area. And of course, with this beautiful weather, have been weather, it wouldnt have been entirely no doubt weather, it wouldnt have been ent adrenaline no doubt weather, it wouldnt have been ent adrenaline will no doubt weather, it wouldnt have been ent adrenaline will have doubt weather, it wouldnt have been ent adrenaline will have been his adrenaline will have been pumping days. Pumping for the last few days. Theres doubt about it. I was theres no doubt about it. I was interested comment interested to hear that comment by one of the people that he was in prison with saying that he always to famous. Always wanted to be famous. Well, that now. Well, hes got that now. He certainly is. Turner, he certainly is. Bev turner, thank the update, live thank you for the update, live from always working on from chiswick. Always working on your thats what i love your day off. Thats what i love about you. Thank you much about you. Thank you very much for news forjoining us on gb news saturday. Joined now in the studio by former metropolitan police Peter Bleksley, Police Detective Peter Bleksley, good show. Peter good friend of the show. Peter dramatic day. As a former dramatic day. But as a former cop, got to say a great cop, you got to say a great result, a job well done. An intense live search, a water to land the boys in blue. They brought the bacon home and the girls . Yep. Yep girls . Ye p. Ye p. Sor ry, girls . Yep. Yep. Sorry, mate. Well done. The yep. Yep. Sorry, mate. Well done. The metropolitan police . Yeah. Very good. And huge. Yeah. Very good. And huge. Congratulations and thanks to those public spirited members of the public who rang 999 who gave that information because it seems pretty clear to me there has been a significant input from the good people of chiswick and other parts of west london. So a very big thank you to them as well. And i sincerely hope that one of them, as we speak, is claiming that £20,000 reward that the metropolitan police offered yesterday for information leading directly to his arrest, i sincerely hope thatis his arrest, i sincerely hope that is claimed. Its interesting because i live by another park in peckham, Police Helicopters are often in the air for all sorts of searches, but this was clearly very, very coordinated. And on very, very coordinated. And on the on local next door Group Messages ive been following throughout the early hours here, i was saying there were helicopters and there were river boats. They were shining lights into an area of the bank. There were terror units , terror unit were terror units, terror unit vans. There an entire Police Dragnet , a coordinated, joined dragnet, a coordinated, joined up and very powerful investigation. When it came to the end game and probably mobile cctv cameras with a facial recognition capability because the met have deployed those fairly sparingly and in a very targeted manner. This would have been a perfect sort of operation for that. But now is the time for everyone. And i mean the public everyone. And i mean the public and the media to take a collective deep breath because mr califf has not been convicted of anything wrong. Not yet. Those three charges, his that he faces were due to be heard in court in november. Thats right. We must all, including the public, we must not say anything in the Mainstream Media or on social media that would potentially jeopardise a fair trial. I am sure everybody wants to see that happen. So please exercise restraint. Everyone just in terms of what those charges are , is attempted. Charges are, is attempted. Khalid attempted to elicit information about an individual who was or had been a member of his majestys forces , which was his majestys forces, which was of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism. Thats the an act of terrorism. Thats the section 58, a terrorist act offence. And of course, the second one was the bomb hoax. By placing an article with intent, those charges are being faced in november. But back to you. And also a breach of the official secrets act. But they are charges. Nothing has been proven yet and it needs to go in front of a court and the whole Justice System needs to its course. System needs to run its course. In terms of we were speaking there perry benton , and he there with perry benton, and he will now face a stern, stiff additional sentence of escaping prison. And so hes going to be prison. And so hes going to be very, very highly guarded , very very, very highly guarded, very highly protected , perhaps highly protected, perhaps getting the sort of security he should have had before he was released into wandsworth. Yeah, he may face a charge of escaping from lawful custody. Thatis escaping from lawful custody. That is entirely possible. But of course, the police with the Ongoing Investigation will consult with the Crown Prosecution Service , who prosecution service, who ultimately will make a decision on any further charges that he may face. And once again, he mustnt be convicted in the court of public opinion. However what is inevitable is that he wont be going back to wandsworth prison because hes already successfully escaped from there once. So i suspect he might find himself in belmarsh , might find himself in belmarsh, which is of course a category a prison and has a astonishing levels of security. And im sure levels of security. And im sure mr califf should he be so minded, would not be able to escape from there . Well, i dont think a single prisoner has ever escaped from belmarsh. It takes hours to get into the in lawyers the place. In fact, lawyers often complain it takes so long to in, miss parole to get in, they miss parole meetings inside. Perhaps mr meetings inside. Perhaps mr canny should have been in a prison like that all along. Yes. I think those questions are rightfully already being asked and well what the asked and well see what the investigation bears forth. Id investigation bears forth. Id be very interested to find out how he sourced those straps, because remember, the justice secretary, alex schalk , did say secretary, alex schalk, did say to parliament on thursday straps were found underneath that lorry. So that investigation now must run its course. The answers must run its course. The answers will become public at some stage in the future, but for now, back in the future, but for now, back in custody , where, of course, he in custody, where, of course, he should have been all the time. And many of those Police Officers can stand down and possibly all the inevitable huge amount of resources perhaps can be deployed to combating some other types of crime. I was talking to chip chapman there, former Armed Service man, about the residual risk of the sort of information on that. Mr kelly may have got his hands on secrets for uk eyes only. Intel crypto military comms. How much of a pressing matter do you think that would be for the for the police to make sure that those loopholes are closed . Well, the army employed him, so im sure the army will have reviewed their systems after he was dismissed by them because he was dismissed by them because he was few months ago. Was dismissed a few months ago. Im not a military man and i cant really speak for them. But it makes absolute that it it makes absolute sense that if member of the armed if a member of the Armed Services is charged with offences that they will then review their systems to say, how could this have come about . Now obviously youre speculating about the £20,000 reward, but as a former Police Officer yourself , how do you officer yourself, how do you think these officers will be feeling about this . This hugely successful, very high profile capture today . Job done . Capture today . Job done . Yeah, i think ministers will be as relieved as anybody because imagine if the worst Case Scenario had happened and mr califf had popped up at a press conference in tehran for example. That would have been hugely embarrassing. Absolutely catastrophic. But of course, thatis catastrophic. But of course, that is not the situation he was found in west london. So therell be a lot of relieved people. But of course, there will still be red faces, particularly within the Prison Service, who basically committed a schoolboy error in prison terms in allowing this man to escape in the manner that he did i precisely. I think a lot of people were were concerned daniel kalief may become a pnzed daniel kalief may become a prized asset for iran in the nightmare scenario of a photograph with an ayatollah , photograph with an ayatollah, but he didnt make it as far as tehran. In fact, he didnt even make it as far as tooting. It was a superb operation in. So youve got to feel happy about this today. Yeah, im delighted for them. Im absolutely delighted they did attract some criticism earlier on today in the media, which i found surprising. I mean , ive been renowned for putting my size twelves up the rear end of Police Forces when theyve not done what they should have done. But in this it is done. But in this regard, it is very much job done to stand down and maybe some of them might just go to the pub this evening i wed hope so. Peter bleksley, thank you for joining wed hope so. Peter bleksley, thank you forjoining us on gb thank you for joining us on gb news saturday. Were going back now to mark white gb news home and security editor mark, whats the latest . You have an update for us . Yes, just in terms of the search operation , which is search operation, which is clearly scaling back now that their man is in custody , weve their man is in custody, weve seen a lot of activity around chiswick this morning. There is now door to door enquiries and investigations that are taking place in that area to determine exactly where daniel caliph was , where whether he was actually holed up in any sort of building or in parkland around that area. That clearly he is now a sort of an urgent strand of the investigation, because what they want to do is to try to rule out any Third Party Involvement in this young mans escape. There this young mans escape. There is no suggestion at this stage that a third party has helped him. Clearly, the investigation about the manner of his escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday morning will involve an investigation into whether he had any help from either prisoners or indeed prison staff in that escape bid thereafter , in that escape bid thereafter, though, it seems as from what were seeing, the very fact hes still really in a kind of local area in that sense, not that far from wandsworth, where he was eventually arrested a few days on, it doesnt seem that there was any coordinated third party help in getting this young man out of this area. But all that will be gone into in the fullness of time. It was interesting when you were speaking to peter about the issues surrounding these terror prisoners and where they are housed. That is now a matter of an urgent review. The justice secretary, alex chalk, has said that he has asked for a list of all the terror prisoners on the prison estate right across the country, because clearly what he wants to try to ascertain is whether any other terror prisoners are being held in lower category , category lower category, category b prisons and if that is the case, as the proper Risk Assessment being done on them, because as its clear that they feel that with terrorist prisoners in particular, then the highest Security Prisons are the prisons that they should really be in. Katie prisons is such as belmarsh. It is without doubt belmarsh. It is without doubt undeniable. Now that obviously , undeniable. Now that obviously, having escaped once from a category b prison, that when daniel khalifas returned, it will be to a category a prison. Will be to a category a prison. It may well be belmarsh as he awaits that trial, which was scheduled for november of this year facing three charges, one of planting hoax bomb device cases at a military base , cases at a military base, another of trying to elicit information that would be useful to a terrorist. And then that third charge that was added to the charge sheet on the 21st of july this year when he appeared at the old bailey, a charge which seems to be more serious in nature, a breach of the official secrets act and gathering of information useful to the enemy , to a hostile state to the enemy, to a hostile state and that hostile state. We understand. And is iran as well understand. And is iran as well as those three charges. So again , its inevitable there will be another charge of escaping from lawful custody that will be added to that. I think the trial, which , as i say, was due trial, which, as i say, was due for november, is likely to be knocked back quite a bit because a defence team is going to argue that given all the publicity around his escape and everything that has been said, that it would be difficult to give him a fair trial all so early, so soon after this escape. So im sure that its going to be knocked into the new year. Okay. Mark gb news home and okay. Mark gb news home and security as the. Thank you for joining us for that update on this dramatic day. The arrest, the apprehension of daniel kalief now back in custody where he belongs. And its a story he belongs. And its a story well be following throughout out the show. Okay a change of pace now altogether. Join me now pace now altogether. Join me now as political commentator and writer Matthew Stadlen and Research Fellow at the bow group. Ben jamin. Lachlan, the big question today is the following and that is can rishi sunak, can the tories win the next general election . In the next general election . In the newspapers today . It has to be newspapers today . It has to be said, guys, that rishi sunak is saying that hes very confident he can win the next election. He he can win the next election. He would say that, wouldnt he . Thats the first thing. But hes talking, matthew. Hes hes talking, matthew. Hes hes talking about the fact that people are not that impressed with with keir starmer. There is with with keir starmer. There is still hope. Ive got to say, i put this out onto social media earlier and most of the people that follow me are very brexity, very conservative. They dont think much of a hope. Think hes got much of a hope. Matthew, where sit . Matthew, where do you sit . I follow you as well. Martin you do . Im not very brexity you troll me, troll, you listen. Rishi sunak saying hes to going hes very going be very hes very confident winning next confident about winning the next election, england election, rather like an England Rugby were very rugby fan saying, were very confident going confident that were going to win world cup. Confident that were going to winits world cup. Confident that were going to winits not rld cup. Confident that were going to winits not going p. Confident that were going to winits not going to happen. Its not going to happen. Its not going to happen. Its not going to happen. I can tell you. I can tell you. I can tell you. I can tell you that now. But rishi sunak is in india at the moment. Really important meeting of and he of international leaders, and he will be absolutely delighted that this fugitive has been apprehended because as a metaphor for tory britain , the metaphor for tory britain, the idea that prisoners are escaping , that schools are collapsing or crumbling, it could not be any worse. So rishi sunak, i think he had a date night last night with his wife. He will be absolutely dancing a he will be absolutely dancing 6 jig he will be absolutely dancing a jig because if this had gone on any longer, the headlines would have got worse. Matthew, in fact, you and matthew, in fact, you remind because just had remind me because we just had a statement there. The Prime Minister responded minister has responded to daniel cliffs very cliffs arrest saying hes very pleased. Have a listen. Pleased. Lets have a listen. Well, im very pleased with the news and my thanks to the Police Officers for their fantastic work over the past couple of days, but also to the public who came forward with an enormous number to help the number of leads to help the police in their enquiries. Its good that weve its good news that weve recaptured person concerned recaptured the person concerned. As people already know, the justice secretary has initiated an inquiry into the circumstances of his escape and that work will continue. But that work will continue. But this is obviously very welcome news and again, my thanks to the police, but also to the public for their help. So , benjamin matthew, lets so, benjamin matthew, lets get reaction on that. Get some reaction on that. Benjamin, to you , a little benjamin, to you, a little bit of good news for rishi. And he was stood down by president modi as his wife out for a curry long way to go for a curry. It must be jubilant, though, that this a good bit of good news this is a good bit of good news law order, it seems, in shape. Well, its great news for him. Hes been caught, but its terrible news that he escaped in the first place. I dont think people forget you know, people forget that. You know, the prisoner was the fact that a prisoner was able get out and be on the able to get out and be on the streets as a danger to the pubuc streets as a danger to the public potentially was public potentially for, what was it, days . Yeah, that it, 3 or 4 days . Yeah, that isnt good. It doesnt look good for the government. As matthew said, is a terrible metaphor said, it is a terrible metaphor for broken britain, which is what live but what we currently live in. But to whether they to your point about whether they can election, i think can win the election, i think they can but they dont have they can do, but they dont have they can do, but they dont have the in to order do the confidence in to order do it. Think there would be a it. I do think there would be a way for them to win, but they seem to have given up the number of tory mps who standing of tory mps who are standing down this round isnt down this time round isnt a very sign, it . Very good sign, is it . Theres blizzard of yeah, theres a blizzard of by coming up and they by elections coming up and they look theyre to be look like theyre going to be foregone potentially. Look like theyre going to be foreg0|in potentially. Look like theyre going to be foreg0| in article potentially. Look like theyre going to be foreg0|in article pointsally. Look like theyre going to be foreg0| in article points to y. Sunak in this article points to uxbridge, there was uxbridge, where there was a clear difference between labour and conservatives and the and the conservatives that course was a referendum and the and the conservatives theulez. urse was a referendum and the and the conservatives theulez. Yeah,nas a referendum and the and the conservatives theulez. Yeah, the a referendum and the and the conservatives theulez. Yeah, the 2019erendum and the and the conservatives theulez. Yeah, the 2019 general on ulez. Yeah, the 2019 general election was a referendum on brexit and Jeremy Brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corbyn. Exist brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corb though, exist brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corb though, do exist brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corb though, do they . Exist brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corb though, do they . These xist brexit ostensibly, and jeremy corb though, do they . These wedge now though, do they . These wedge issues. And i guess isnt that a problem . Difference problem . Whats the difference between the tories and the labour between the tories and the labwell, i do think brexit is well, i do think brexit is still issue that people care still an issue that people care about, no necessarily about, but no one necessarily trusts rishi sunak or the current to current government really to believe much in a believe that much in brexit in a way did. Boris johnson way that they did. Boris johnson in i dont rishi in 2019. I dont think rishi really cares that much about delivering a spirit delivering brexit in a spirit of why people it. So why people voted for it. So i dont i dont think it will be that big of an issue in the next election. I think bigger issues such as the culture issues such as the culture war issues are what going to focus are what theyre going to focus on. Going to push stuff on. Theyre going to push stuff down know, the gender down the, you know, the gender critical of order critical sort of line in order to distract from the fact that the economys in the gutter, the inflation a death spiral, inflation is in a death spiral, schools collapsing, prisons schools are collapsing, prisons are, you know, not holding their prisoners mean, the prisoners properly. I mean, the country is fundamentally broken on and so i on a on a mass scale. And so i think theyll and focus think theyll distract and focus on wars. On the culture wars. Matthew, you bring up matthew, i mean, you bring up uxbridge, dont forget the tories lost other by tories lost the other two by elections. That happened at the same least one of them, same time. At least one of them, they got absolutely hammered, didnt a massive, didnt they . Or a massive, massive of of massive overturning of a of a majority. Ulez some people will also ulez some people will start suggest been start to suggest and have been trying that labour trying to suggest that labour would and ulez around would try and extend ulez around the ulez is not going be ulez is not going to be a wedge issue at the next election and dont forget that rishi sunaks the sunaks government is the government into law government that wrote into law our commitments on zero. Our commitments on net zero. So there that difference there isnt that much difference between the tories. Between labour and the tories. There said earlier there i said earlier that of course tories arent going to win the next election. It isnt impossible. For pundits such impossible. And for pundits such as to guess impossible. And for pundits such as i to guess impossible. And for pundits such as i mean, to guess impossible. And for pundits such as i mean, it to guess impossible. And for pundits such as i mean, it is to guess impossible. And for pundits such as i mean, it is tfoolsss this, i mean, it is a fools errand. We want to try to do our best. Could it be like 92 people expected labour to win in 92 . They didnt. Do you remember that that headline . Could the last person to leave britain turn the turn the lights on . Neil kinnock neil kinnock lost it not impossible that we it is not impossible that we have of 92, but i dont have a rerun of 92, but i dont think it will 97. Think it think it will be 97. I think it will more like 2010. Wed had will be more like 2010. Wed had 30 years of new labour by then. Weve had 13 years of this conservative government initially with the lib dems. Now initially with the lib dems. Now i think people are tired. But were people energised by cameron and osborne in 2010 . Not enough for them to get an overall majority . Are people energised majority . Are people energised by starmer as they were by blair in 97 . No, theyre not. So we need to see more from the labour leader now so that people dont just the tories or just vote against the tories or dont turn out, but they actually vote positively for labour. Great actually vote positively for labour. Great matthew arade actually vote positively for labour. Great matthew arade dam. Benjamin locklin im afraid we have to leave it there. We have a big breaking news day, but thank you. Really if the thank you. I think really if the tories win, need to tories want to win, they need to be conservative. They need to be conservative. If they need to start doing things like actually stopping actually stopping the boats, actually bringing the bringing down tax and all the things promised. Thats bringing down tax and all the thin my promised. Thats bringing down tax and all the thin my two promised. Thats bringing down tax and all the thin my two penniesi. Thats bringing down tax and all the thin my two pennies worth thats just my two pennies worth because joining me now to discuss the dramatic arrest of daniel retired Daniel Califf is retired Scotland Yard detective inspector crime consultant inspector and crime consultant hamish brown. Hello to you, hamish. Day to you. A hamish. A dramatic day to you. A dramatic day, mr khalid finally back in custody where he belongs. What lessons do you think we can learn from this . Lets start with his transfer to wandsworth , which many have criticised as an accident waiting to happen. An accident waiting to happen. Well, i think weve got to go back to the beginning. Really. Someone had given him really. Someone had given him a risk category where not here to talk about the actual offences because hes entitled anyone else to a fair trial on that. Anyone else to a fair trial on that. But you know, for a 21 that. But you know, for a 21 year old who was alleged to have committed those, what level do you put him at . He was seen as cat cat category b went to wandsworth prison. Some will wandsworth prison. Some will say, given the nature of some of the charges, it should have been category a and belmarsh. Theyll category a and belmarsh. Theyll be having a good think about that. I would imagine thats where hell be going when he returns to prison. Wont be very welcome back at wandsworth. I wouldnt have thought. The next wouldnt have thought. The next thing is, how earth did all thing is, how on earth did all this why was he working this happen . Why was he working in the kitchens, which is a trusted possession . Um. Hed trusted possession . Um. Hed only just gone into prison. He found himself there. And indeed , what planning went into this before hand and unfortunately did anyone assist him . We just dont know. And the police will have to look at that. So thats all about the prison. But what weve got to look at is the Police Operation after that. Oh, great, great news. Really. They were sensible. All they put out were sensible. All they put out what releases they wanted to. Yes, they want the media to help them. But sometimes they cant say too much. But what did go say too much. But what did go out and in fact, i said it this morning, if youve got any information , get hold of the information, get hold of the police. And thats exactly what the good people are choosing to do. So a big thank you to them. And the police could use their resources, could use their intelligence , and hopefully the intelligence, and hopefully the man was arrested without too much fuss and no one got injured. And hamish , as well as the and hamish, as well as the local intel, all friends of mine who live in the area say they were kept awake for most of the night by Police Helicopters. Theyre also two police riverboats on the thames around the chiswick bridge area , the chiswick bridge area, combing the banks and also they were terror response units. They were terror response units. They have very joined up approach. Have very joined up approach. What kind of other intel do you think the local police force would been using . Theres would have been using . Theres been talk of cctv, facial recognition cameras. They recognition cameras. Are they out there . And is that something that we should be perhaps concerned about or are we all being watched all the time . Being watched all the time . Hamish. I being watched all the time . Hamish. I think hamish has frozen. Lets come back to the frozen. Lets come back to the studio because weve still got matthew and benjamin. Matthew its obviously a fast moving story, but one thing that Peter Bleksley mentioned, which was really fascinated by was, i mean, look, sadiq khans got how many ulez cameras in london is covered in cameras. You cant move being facially move without being facially identified, seems. Is that identified, it seems. Is that something this something obviously in this case, a positive if we case, its a positive boon if we can apprehend a wanted suspect whos on the run. But all those kind of cameras, something you think is an issue for ordinary everyday people being watched, theyll go about their daily business. Incredibly business. Im just incredibly surprised that its taken this long in 2023 to apprehend and someone who is in prison awaiting trial. I cannot believe it. If you think if you you park on a yellow line or you you speed or whatever it is, youre going to get, you go into a yellow box in the middle of the street, you are going to get a letter through the post before you can say jiminy cricket. So the fact that this guy was on run for as long as he was on the run for as long as he was in our capital city with the full the British State full weight of the British State trying find it trying to find him, i find it absolutely astonishing. Yeah. Benjamin, would benjamin, im sure you would echo i mean, perhaps echo that. I mean, perhaps if sadiq khans ulez cameras have been might been responsible, people might have slack. But it is have a bit of slack. But it is true to say that, you know, you cant london cant do anything in london without being photographed or nicked. Seems nicked. So it seems extraordinary. Course, extraordinary. Now, of course, initial theories were that he was jumped the country was was maybe jumped the country was a prized asset in tehran. One of iranian descent been leaking iranian descent had been leaking information to iranians, information to the iranians, allegedly. Now just turns allegedly. But now it just turns out was kind of living rough out he was kind of living rough for a few days in london. And yet hadnt been caught. Slightly its slightly embarrassing, i think, took so long, but think, that it took so long, but i would if it came out that i would love if it came out that the reason he got caught was because drove a 2014 diesel because he drove a 2014 diesel into a low traffic neighbourhood. Thatd be a brilliant detail brilliant little detail to finish story off. Finish the story off. Okay, can now return back okay, we can now return back to brown. Lost him to hamish brown. We lost him there. We had a technical there. Sorry. We had a technical gremlin. You there . Gremlin. Hamish, are you there . Can you hear us . Yes, im not sure what stage was cut sure at what stage i was cut off, i think thanking the off, but i think thanking the good people of chiswick anyway for their cooperation. For their cooperation. So well done to them. So well done to them. Yeah. And i to get yeah. And i wanted to get from you the other info because, of there were of course, we heard there were lots helicopters from lots of Police Helicopters from about till dawn about 3 am. Till till dawn combing the area around chiswick bridge. The grove park Chiswick Area was entirely under surveillance. And then when you look at the aerial photographs, it a very, very it became a very, very concentrated search on kind concentrated search on the kind of north of the thames of north bank of the thames there. There were boats, there were seemed were terror units. It seemed very, very highly trained in so as well as the kind of air, sea and land sps not thames in the sea, but you get my point very great deployment of Police Resources is one thing that Peter Bleksley mentioned to me that i found fascinating was the use recognition and use of facial recognition and cctv cameras. How widespread are cctv cameras. How widespread are they in london . Obviously, its good news in cases like this, but is that something we should be worried about, this surveillance nation aspect of this story . This story . Well, those are two sides of the coin, arent they . The the coin, arent they . The pubuc the coin, arent they . The public want protecting. They public want protecting. They want the likes of this gentleman , found quite rightly so. And at , found quite rightly so. And at the same time , those who are the same time, those who are saying, well, you know, what about big brother and that sort of thing is this good enough . And shouldnt there be more safeguards cards . So its a little more difficult issue perhaps, but we are getting used to this. And in fact, if you goodness knows, if you walk down Oxford Street or something, i think youre youre filmed hundreds of times and it will be something similar around the country in major shopping areas and things like that. And overwhelming sadly, its come up good for the police, the public andindeed good for the police, the public and indeed common sense. But i and indeed common sense. But i acknowledge the shortcoming as i acknowledge the shortcoming as i acknowledge the shortcoming as i acknowledge the peoples concern. But, you know , there has to be. But, you know, there has to be placated. Were living in a placated. Were living in a complicated age, perhaps, and all these help. So youve got to make use of the technology, everything thing to hand, be sensible about it, keep it in the law. I think be open with the law. I think be open with the public. What the police have , and please let them comment. We can debate it. But at the end of the day, what we want is the police to keep people safe. Thats whats happened. An excellent job by the police. They use all the facilities to hand and actually the job has begun and ended pretty quickly with a very satisfied result. And whats to going happen now is the police are going to move on with their day to day work and just get on with it. So headune and just get on with it. So Headline News today, but it wont be in a few days time. Wont be in a few days time. Hey, mitch, i wanted to ask you about the rivalry or whatever it may be between different services. Wed all like to think, of course, that the Prison Service are working handin the Prison Service are working hand in glove in harmony with the police service. But how much of sense you think there of a sense do you think there may of the police had to mop may be of the police had to mop up the Prison Services mess here . Well , thats a little unkind. Well, thats a little unkind. Perhaps well have to wait and see what comes out of the investigation and the and the prison authorities will know that it wont be a matter of rivalry at all. And the Police Worked closely with the National Probation service as indeed theyll work with the Prison Service and each know, you know , if theres a possibility , see , if theres a possibility, see that a crime has been committed. And we dont know if thats the case at wandsworth prison , a case at wandsworth prison, a very much understaffed prison where the prison officers are under a huge amount of pressure. It might have been a simple mistake. It might have been something more than that. So well have to see what comes from that. But im pretty confident that the Prison Service will want to move on. And if they got it wrong, that will have to be put right and if something criminal happens, the rank and file will want that sorted out as well. So i hope sorted out as well. So i hope the investigation can be done quickly and everyone can get back to the jobs they should be doing. Okay. Hamish brown, retired Scotland Yard detective inspector and crime consultant, thank you for joining inspector and crime consultant, thank you forjoining us on this thank you for joining us on this dramatic day. Cutting back to the studio now, gentlemen. Weve still got Matthew Stadlen , still got Matthew Stadlen, Benjamin Benjamin benjamin lachlan here. Benjamin what do you make of this this nofion what do you make of this this notion . I think its something notion . I think its something that maybe lot of people that maybe a lot of people arent aware of, that we are being facially scanned all of our when we move around our time when we move around cities upshot is cities and i guess the upshot is that we can apprehend, you know , bad guys. The downside is, bad guys. But the downside is, are we being watched and face monitored in a way i think a lot of people may have concerns about. Yeah, i think its a terrible idea. This increase in cameras and so on and so forth. It goes against the basic principles of liberty and privacy. But the fact that couldnt even fact that they couldnt even catch guy , the one good catch the bad guy, the one good positive thing that should come out they couldnt use. Out of it, they couldnt use. But really, the main problem i have whole story is to have with this whole story is to do so firstly, do with the prison. So firstly, this should never have this man should never have been in wandsworth. Its lower in wandsworth. Its a lower category im category prison and im wondering something to wondering if thats something to do. You know, do with overcrowding. You know, he have gone belmarsh he should have gone to belmarsh and questions to be asked he should have gone to belmarsh and q|whyons to be asked he should have gone to belmarsh and q|why he to be asked he should have gone to belmarsh and q|why he was to be asked he should have gone to belmarsh and q|why he was placed; asked he should have gone to belmarsh and q|why he was placed in sked about why he was placed in wandsworth if was an issue of wandsworth if it was an issue of there not being space there not being enough space thatis there not being enough space that is absolutely the responsibility, responsibility of havent responsibility, responsibility of enough havent responsibility, responsibility of enough order havent responsibility, responsibility of enough orderto havent responsibility, responsibility of enough orderto increase done enough in order to increase prison and invest prison spaces and invest properly keeping people safe i yeah, matthew, thats a thats a fair point. You thats a fair point. If you think about nature of the think about the nature of the allegation options here, you know, no serious cryptographic methods, comms leaks, potentially to tehran, an enemy of britain if that was, you know , happening. Thats a serious thing for somebody to do. And why would they be in a category gay category, be jailed like wandsworth, where there have been plenty of escapes in the past and also being given a cushy job in a kitchen with access to weapons and access to deliveries , ins and outs, a deliveries, ins and outs, a catalogue of errors needs to be addressed in this inquiry moving forward. Clearly there really important questions to be asked of the Prison Service. But if we pan back, take the camera out a bit, have a wide angle, look at this for a second and we return to where we started. And there is started. And there is a political dimension to this. And the question for me is, will the pubuc the question for me is, will the public link this story what public link this story to what it thinks of this conservative government maybe theyll brush it off. Maybe theyll brush it off. It was a it was a dramatic escape and theyll have been gnpped escape and theyll have been gripped by it as we all have been. But does risk being yet been. But it does risk being yet another metaphor for what a lot of people, i think, are now calling broken britain. And when you when you are the ruling party, whether you are or you are not directed , be responsible are not directed, be responsible for everything that goes wrong. It is nonetheless on your watch and the narrative is developing that britain is no longer working. People are struggling working. People are struggling with bills. The borders are seen with bills. The borders are seen as porous. If with bills. The borders are seen as porous. If the prisons cant even hold onto their prisoners , even hold onto their prisoners, i think that could be very damaging and in the end for the tories at the next election. Tories at the next election. Well, we started this section. Benjamin with that question. You know, can the tories win the next election . We saw rishi sunak statement there from new delhi. He seems very happy that the done their job. The police have done theirjob. Of course will be. But of course he will be. But matthews there, tory Matthews Point there, a tory central be firm central pillar used to be firm on law and order. If our prisons are porous, if our borders are porous , if we have at least 19 porous, if we have at least 19 known terrorists in the uk that have come in illegally and a terror suspect has escaped from one of our jails, what do you think thats going to say to the electorate come that important time when they go to put their cross on the box in the next general election . Well, this is supposed to be the of law and order. The party of law and order. They definitely not that they definitely are not that when combine this the when you combine this with the whats in the channel, whats going on in the channel, people coming wantonly, people just coming in wantonly, not returned, see not being returned, then you see people escaping prisons. People escaping from prisons. You has gone out the you see justice has gone out the window. Backlog window. Youve got the backlog in for example, in the courts, for example, where cases drag on forever and ever never actually end up ever and never actually end up being looks me being resolved. It looks to me that the conservative party have lost control law and order. That the conservative party have lost cantl law and order. That the conservative party have lost cant claim w and order. That the conservative party have lost cant claim toand order. That the conservative party have lost cant claim to be order. That the conservative party have lost cant claim to be the er. That the conservative party have lost cant claim to be the party they cant claim to be the party of and order ever again of law and order ever again after way theyve after the way that theyve behaved over the past few years. To matthew. Final word to you, matthew. Yeah, arguably some of what yeah, just arguably some of what were at the moment is were seeing at the moment is chickens home to roost chickens coming home to roost for austerity under for policies of austerity under cameron osborne. Now, cameron and osborne. Now, sunak wasnt prominent figure back wasnt a prominent figure back then, tories have been then, but the tories have been in one form or another in number 10 for 31 years. If you dont fund and there was a big political and economic debate about austerity, i was against it. But if you dont resource prisons , if dont resource prisons, if you dont resource the police service, then in the end and the country starts to come apart at the seams and i think the electorate will be aware of that. But i do come back to what i said earlier as well. We need to see more of what starmer and labour for stand and i think well start to see that in the coming weeks and months. Okay Matthew Stadlen, benjamin lichtman, we have to leave thank you very leave it there. Thank you very much joining me today on gb much for joining me today on gb news saturday on this dramatic breaking news day. Course, breaking news day. Of course, daniel just Daniel Califf has just been apprehended now apprehended and joining me now to further is to discuss this further is norman good pal of Norman Brennan, good pal of mine, London Police mine, former london Police Officer director of law and officer and director of law and Order Foundation. Norm, so a fantastic result for the metropolitan police, who are often under fire. How does it make you feel as a former cop to have seen such a dramatic apprehension . Apprehension . Well, the police have done their job well, the police have done theirjob and well, the police have done their job and theyve well, the police have done theirjob and theyve done their their job and theyve done their job very well indeed. Job very well indeed. But they did their job a year or so ago when they arrested this individual. This individual. Look, itd be great today if everybody just started poking the finger at the Prison Service or at anyone else. Politicians , as we have politicians, as we have a system within britain on law and order, thats broken, policing is broken , our courts are is broken, our courts are broken. The Probation Service and as we can see here. Martin in relation to wandsworth prison, they had 50 less officers on duty that day. They officers on duty that day. They had about 79. Instead of about 130. They were housing 1700 instead of 900. What could go wrong and what could go wrong really goes wrong within the Prison Service. I mean , i take Prison Service. I mean, i take my hat off to prison officers. They do a fantastic job. Rarely does anyone escape. And i think the lesson that we need to learn today, martin, is this is why did this happen . How can we avoid it in future . And its clearly that we need to invest in policing and the Prison Service, which have both been absolutely drained of resources over the past decade. And the chickens are coming home to roost. Roost. Yeah. Norman, how much do you think the sorry saga of daniel kalief was just an accident waiting to happen . Are you there waiting to happen . Are you there on that . Yeah can you hear me . Can you hear me . Yes, mate. Go ahead. Yes, mate. Go ahead. Yeah, its clear. Its clear that something went wrong, but we dont live in a perfect world. Things go wrong all the time. And what makes me sick and tired of britain, martin, which, sadly is broken. And many of us know that now. And im ashamed to say that policing and the criminal Justice System is broken. I dedicated most of my life to it. But what do we do life to it. But what do we do about it all weve got is the Opposition Party and the party in power at the moment are like two football teams. One is on the pitch, kicking the ball all around. They miss a goal. So the other team, which is labour, are on the sidelines saying, youre crap, youre useless. You should have passed, you should have done that. They the done that. But they get on the pitch the pitch and guess what . The conservatives highlight of conservatives highlight all of their anomalies all their their anomalies and all of their faults. Think its time for faults. I think its time for all the fists and bear baiting within commons to cease and people put their hands out to the opposition and said , lets the opposition and said, lets Work Together to build britain great again , because the more great again, because the more people blame each other and today it will be a blame game. Today it will be a blame game. The focus is taken off repairing what is broken. What is broken. Norman, you are speaking words of common sense. There are going to hear people in gb news land raising a glass to you as a director of the law and Order Foundation in norman, what would you to policing . Ill you do to fix policing . Ill tell you what id do. Id recruit recruit 20,000 new Police Officers, brand new, over and above the 22,000 that we lost. I would then put my hand out to recently retired experienced Police Officers and recruit 2 to 5000 of those to return on a 2 to 3 Year Contract to train up these new youngsters. Because weve got youngsters. Because weve got youngsters training youngsters now. And i would, as the now. And i would, as the commissioner or the home secretary tell every Police Officer to get out on the streets and interact with the public, put your hand out, show that you really are their friend. Go into shops, put your hands out to them, challenge those that break the law, put them before the courts and actually get back what weve lost. And thats the public trust and the publics respect. Because the longer the blame game goes on, the more the focus will be diverted away from what is broken and unless we start rolling our sleeves up and starting to fix it, im afraid we wont break that circle. Martin norman . Brennan you know what can i say . Youre speaking the essence of common sense. And in fact, of common sense. And in fact, ive still joined in the studio by Matthew Stadlen and benjamin lachlan. They didnt want to lachlan. They didnt want to leave. That was so compelling. I want to come back to you guys leave. That was so compelling. I want io come back to you guys leave. That was so compelling. I want i mean, back to you guys leave. That was so compelling. I want i mean, what to you guys leave. That was so compelling. I want i mean, what an you guys leave. That was so compelling. I want i mean, what an impassioned now. I mean, what an impassioned idea can fix this idea of how we can fix this broken system. Matthew so just two very important things. I think that brought think that norman brought up. One, i agree with and one i disagree with the thing i disagree with the thing that i agree with is we need new more Police Officers for a period of time those savage time after those savage cuts that brought about the that brought about under the tory we to be tory government. We seem to be almost police less society. Almost a police less society. That doesnt mean there arent thousands of good isnt blaming the exactly im the tories exactly what im going to that im going to come to that im wasting ive got im going wasting time. Ive got im going to come to that point. It looked as though we just didnt have any the streets, and any police on the streets, and thats probably because we didnt. Would encourage didnt. So i would encourage there police there to be more Police Officers. Central officers. I live in Central London. In Central London. I lived in Central London. I lived in Central London all my ive never london all my life. Ive never seen levels of anti social behaviour are seeing at behaviour that we are seeing at the moment. To see police the moment. I want to see police deaung the moment. I want to see police dealing that. You cant dealing with that. You cant dealing with that. You cant deal it unless deal with it unless theyre properly resourced. Thats point one. With norman on one. So i agree with norman on that, where i disagree him that, where i disagree with him on is yes, of course the commons can look like punch and judy, and not a very attractive and thats not a very attractive look cant have look often, but we cant have the and the the government and the Opposition Holding hands. Opposition just holding hands. Part a democracy is part of living in a democracy is about scrutinising the government very government and that is the very definition of what the Opposition Party, as as us Opposition Party, as well as us in media is about. So we do in the media is about. So we do need scrutiny. Okay, benjamin, another thing that norman talks about , peter talks about, peter black, he talks about, peter black, he talks about lot, a lot of former about a lot, a lot of former coppers, you may say, are a different generation. Listen, lets proper lets get back to proper policing. The graduates, not policing. Not the graduates, not those kind of seem more those who kind of seem more concerned tweets concerned about policing tweets as opposed to policing streets , as opposed to policing streets, perhaps some form of veteran has got in there a bit of proper backbone. Is that a route forward . Well, when the police was were first founded, it was largely ex veterans. People were retired Army Officers and so on and so forth. Who became the police. And they had the necessary experience to do common policing within common sense policing within communities. As you know, the communities. As you know, the old of bobbies on beat old idea of bobbies on the beat going they going around, they were a preventative measure by being in the communities, by being a presence, people then presence, people wouldnt then commit crimes they were commit crimes because they were there. See the police there. They could see the Police Officers knew and, you officers and they knew and, you know, always said know, chesterton always said there should be a policeman on every street corner. But not down they down your chimney. They shouldnt home, shouldnt cross into your home, but should there when but they should be there when you need them so you can go out and call them. What and call for them. And what about of broken window about this kind of broken window style hear a about . Youre saying theres lots of low background noise, low level background noise, crime, vandalism , um, crime, graffiti, vandalism, um, anti social behaviour. You cant escape any urban escape that sort of in any urban area. Now is that the answer to stop clamping down on all the small crimes . So we actually have have a fear of the police , have have a fear of the police, a respect for the police, which seems to be completely gone. Yeah, but respect. And yeah, not fear, but respect. And we dont want to cross into a society where we are overly surveilled. Dont want surveilled. We dont want to Cross Society we cross into a society where we become police state. Not that become a police state. Not that theres danger. It sounds theres much danger. It sounds like it. Well, like were already in it. Well, what want i mean, common what we do want i mean, common sense is what common sense means means things means Different Things to different people. What we do want is fair, respectful want is fair, robust, respectful policing, and braverman. Policing, and suella braverman. And i am not a fan of the home secretary in any shape or form, but she did say recently that all thefts didnt were but she did say recently that all th well, no real update really as such other than that he has now been taken into custody where he will be questioned, processed and put into to a higher security prison than the one he was in. I was struck, though, listening there to matthew and about the issue really of funding thing over the last decade or more since the conservatives came to power and those austerity years and the fact that those cuts are now coming to home roost, i think he has a real point there. We are seeing it in multiple areas of the public sector, but particularly when it comes to law and order, were seeing it in the Court Services where they are struggling to process court cases. Theres a massive , cases. Theres a massive, massive backlog that was only exacerbated by by the covid pandemic. Nick, we see it in the pandemic. Nick, we see it in the Prison Service where there was a huge cut in the number of prison officers. Youve got the government now seeing that were 4000 extra officers since 2017. Yes but that doesnt take into account the fact that many more than that were let go during the austerity years. And what you have now in the prison estate are many thousands of very young and inexperienced prison officers who are trying to do the job that older, more experienced people with all of the knowledge that you need, working in a very volatile environment, no longer have because many of them have left the service they are fewer in number. They are trying to deal with very , very overcapacity. With very, very overcapacity. Prisons, crowded prisons like wandsworth, which is 1700 inmates, which is about 800 more than its certificate id for. And in doing that, there are fewer of those officers trying to manage more officers and of course, more inexperience , first course, more inexperience, first officers as well. And its the same with the police. You know, even though weve had 10,000 additional Police Officers who have come back into the service in recent years , they are young in recent years, they are young and inexperienced officers and the older half , you know, the the older half, you know, the people like norman, hes left a few years ago now. But those older , more inexperienced older, more inexperienced officers are no longer in the service. So you may have this service. So you may have this kind of drive to now recruit after these austerity years, but its very, very difficult to undo the damage. However, the government might package that as being absolutely necessary, given the financial situation that the country faced at that time. The damage and doubtedly was done in those years and having to cut Services Back very significantly. Okay, mark rishi sunak has delivered a statement from new delhi. He was hoping to make his weekend and the coming days about a trade deal with india. Im afraid its now solely about law and order politically. Do you expect this to become a major attack point from the labour party . Were seeing the labour party . Were seeing the labour party . Were seeing the labour party very much on a front foot with very aggressive social media attacks in recent days, all week long. Do you think now they will go in hard on a law and order and on a broken law and order and a broken prison system . Broken prison system . That is a really good point and i think absolutely that will be a next attack area. Weve weve had it for weeks , months weve had it for weeks, months now on immigration. That will continue to be an area that labour pushes , rips open that labour pushes, rips open that theft string saw that the government has never been able to really heal in terms of the numbers that continue to keep coming across the channel. But yes, law and order is a big issue. If you go into the inner cities, there grappling with a Violent Crime problem , not just Violent Crime problem, not just knife crime, but Violent Crime in general, there is all of the issues of Police Officers and Police Forces, not doing perhaps what they did ten, 20 years ago in terms of the community policing, mark, im afraid we have to cut you short there, because at the end of the hour, well go into the weather. But please stay with us. Well be right back with the dramatic update on the arrest of daniel kalief. Outlook with boxt a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors weather solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good afternoon. My name is good afternoon. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to our latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend. So weve got those weekend. So weve got those isobars fairly spread out. So bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. So fairly warm as well. Weve seen some heavy showers thunderstorms showers and thunderstorms throughout today they will throughout today and they will slowly away we go slowly ease away as we go through tonight. So leaving a fairly dry night for many. Theyre a bit of rain and drizzle across the far northwest coast, though, as we go into the early hours sunday morning. Early hours of sunday morning. An heavy showers and an area of heavy showers and thunderstorms to push thunderstorms starting to push into southwest. Thats into the southwest. And thats all warm and all during another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales , the midlands and later on wales, the midlands and later on into Northern England, Northern Ireland into southern ireland and into southern scotland. And they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong , gusty winds. Do some strong, gusty winds. So do keep eye on the forecast if keep an eye on the forecast if you are and about in these you are out and about in these areas tomorrow. But it will be another warm day, especially in the south east with highs 30 another warm day, especially in the now h east with highs 30 another warm day, especially in the now looking nith highs 30 another warm day, especially in the now looking towards1s 30 another warm day, especially in the now looking towards the 30 another warm day, especially in the now looking towards the new to. Now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. But this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. And that changeable autumnal theme continuing as we go through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining average declining back down to average range , a brighter outlook with range, a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Good afternoon and welcome to gb news saturday. Im Martin Daubney. For the next two hours, ill be giving you accompany on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your Digital Radio. Coming up this hour, well continue to bnng this hour, well continue to bring the after the bring you the latest after the dramatic terrorist dramatic arrest of terrorist suspect Daniel Khalaf following his escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday day. The Prime Minister says hes very pleased while labour is demanding answers on how he escaped prison in the first place and still do get in touch, some of your thoughts on gbviews gbnews. Com or of course message me on our socials. Of course, were at gb news. But first its your news with. First its your news with. Tamsin martin. Thanks very much and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. Its 1 00. The prime afternoon from the gb newsroom. Its1 00. The Prime Minister says hes very pleased. Terror suspect daniel khalif has been arrested after escaping from hmp wandsworth on wednesday. Rishi wandsworth on wednesday. Rishi sunak also praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him while our home and security editor mark white has more very dramatic events that ended just before 11 00 this morning in chiswick, with those officers arriving testing daniel khalif bringing to an end this nationwide manhunt that clearly has been a huge embarrassment for the Prison Service. The fact that this young man was able to get out of wandsworth prison in the first place strapped to the underneath of a food delivery truck , he had of a food delivery truck, he had been spotted of course, in wandsworth at that roundabout. Wandsworth at that roundabout. That coming through yesterday. That coming through yesterday. But it was really this morning in the Chiswick Area where the multiple sightings of daniel khalif were coming in. This time he changed his clothing to wearing a baseball cap. Police wearing a baseball cap. Police were in the area in very significant numbers and arrested him soon after. In other news, the foreign secretary says the uk is supporting british nationals after more than 800 people have died in an earthquake in morocco. Cctv has captured a moment when an earthquake measuring 6. 8 magnitude struck marrakesh. Its the nearest large city to the epicentre , which took place in epicentre, which took place in the high atlas mountains. More the high atlas mountains. More than 300 people have also been injured and the impact of the earthquake was felt in cities across country. Many have across the country. Many have been forced to camp after buildings crumbled with a rescue operation ongoing. One resident operation ongoing. One resident from casablanca says he couldnt believe what was happening. Believe what was happening. The house rocked aggressively. Everyone was scared and i was shocked and didnt understand what was happening. I thought it was only my house that was moving because its fragile and old. I heard people screaming, everyone went out of their homes. The street is full of people and women screaming. People and women screaming. Thats whats happened even now. People cant go back home because theyre still afraid because theyre still afraid because last hit, the because of the last hit, the first hit, we didnt feel it. People cant go to their people cant go back to their houses because still houses because theyre still afraid because of the second hit. Think its a seven hit. I think its a seven magnitude. The Prime Minister rishi sunak, says he and indias Prime Minister Narendra Modi have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached. Reached. But rishi sunak says hes committed to reaching a trade agreement in place , but refused committed to reaching a trade ag putnent in place , but refused committed to reaching a trade ag put a nt in place , but refused committed to reaching a trade ag put a deadline e , but refused committed to reaching a trade ag put a deadline on but refused committed to reaching a trade ag put a deadline on it. T refused to put a deadline on it. Prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of Different Things with regard to the trade deal. Theres desire the trade deal. Theres a desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded. The opportunities are there for both countries, but there is a lot of hard work thats still to go and we need to work through that as we will do. But i think theres also opportunities for us relationship us to deepen our relationship and different areas. And and lots of different areas. And he talked that as he and i talked about that as well, whether its in defence and security , in education, and security, in education, research, all sorts things. Research, all sorts of things. 16 Police Officers have been injured after seizing explosives and weapons in londonderry crowds attacked the officers as searches were carried out in the creggan area. Hand guns, money, creggan area. Hand guns, money, grenades , ammunition and plastic grenades, ammunition and plastic explosives were discovered. Two men and a woman have been arrested. Authorities say their main focus is on the new ira today is expected to be the hottest day of the year so far, hitting 33 c in southern england. It follows the past five days of temperatures above 30 degrees in september. For the first time, the forecasters say the record is likely to continue until the end of this week with an amber heat alert in place. In addition to the heat, the met office says central britain could face potential thunderstorms as from 2 00 today. Meanwhile, a yellow warning for those thunderstorms has been issued for for Northern Ireland tomorrow. Agatha ireland tomorrow. Agatha christies grandson has unveiled a life sized statue of the author in oxford. Sure, the author in oxford. Sure, the bronze statue of dame agatha is seated on a bench in her hometown of wallingford. The sculpture, called a monument to imagination , shows the author imagination, shows the author glancing up from the pages of her book as if finding inspiration for her next novel. Sculptor Ben Twiston Davies told gb news what he tried to achieve with his creation , a way the with his creation, a way the sculpture is designed. You can actually come and, as it were, meet her and sit next to her and maybe what i hope is that it will encourage us to take a moment from our busy, busy lives and just drift off into our imagination , which is into our imagination, which is something we wont all have. The skill that agatha had in developing our imagination into books. But we all have imaginations. And if it encourages people to pay more attention to them, that would be great. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Martin back to. Martin thank you very much for that update, tamsin. Okay, lets get stuck into todays big topics now. And of course, our top story today, the police have arrested escaped prisoner, arrested a escaped prisoner, daniel calef. The arrest occurred just before 11 am. Today after escaping hmp wandsworth on wednesday. The police force issued a short statement which said officers apprehended the 21 year old in the Chiswick Area and he has been taken into police custody. In a statement, been taken into police custody. In a statement , the met police in a statement, the met police said, we would like to thank the pubuc said, we would like to thank the public and media for their support throughout our Investigation Mission to locate calef. And we will provide a further update on his arrest in due course. Prime minister rishi due course. Prime minister rishi sunak speaking to broadcasters at the g20 summit in venue in new delhi , has congratulated new delhi, has congratulated police, telling reporters he is very pleased. Well, join me now very pleased. Well, join me now is former head of Counter Terrorist at city of London Police ken hurley. Good afternoon to you , kevin. Afternoon to you, kevin. A dramatic stage of affairs. Daniel kalief apprehended in the Chiswick Area after a few days on the run. How happy are you on the run. How happy are you with the level of scrutiny and the investigation itself seems to have been a very Effective Ground game from the metropolitan police. Metropolitan police. Well, i mean , i cant i cant well, i mean, i cant i cant really comment on that. It but really comment on that. It but it would appear that theyve done some good work there because hes most likely been caught out because someones told him his whereabouts. Hes got contacts in the kingston area, which is only just down the road from kingston. So its the road from kingston. So its quite possible that theyve managed to investigate those contacts and find where they are orindeed contacts and find where they are or indeed the publicity the mets been putting out in the west london areas prompted a member of the public to say, oh, theres something suspicious here which is good news. If thats the case, because it shows there are still lots of members of the public who are supportive of Public Safety and the police, which of course is contrary to the message that we hear from most people about confidence policing. Confidence in policing. And kevin, when you look at what was happening throughout the around about 3 am. The night around about 3 am. This morning, and there lots this morning, and there are lots of helicopters over the of Police Helicopters over the Chiswick Area around chiswick bridge area around grove park, the Chiswick Area, there also police river there are also police river boats deployed on the thames and also terror unit vans, very joined up, co ordinated attempt. Those kind of resources wouldnt be deployed, would they . Unless the police were pretty certain of making an apprehension. Apprehension. Yeah, i think thats pretty much the case. I suspect that one of the venues where he may have been staying, theyve actually got perhaps gathered forensic evidence to say, yeah, he is in this area or cctv cameras that theyve got hold of the video from that has shown. Oh yes hes in this area richmond, chiswick. So as a result, theyve started to concentrate efforts because of course the metropolitan police is able to move quite substantial resources like the Territorial Support Group and some of the Violent Crime units to surge capability into these situations. And of course, the use of the helicopter with its use of the helicopter with its use of the helicopter with its use of infrared search mechanisms means they can very quickly check all the bushes, all the parks and so on for heat spots. Spots. Yeah. And kevin, that that is an aspect of any search. A night time search, of course, using those infrared cameras, much more effective. Something much more effective. Something that was mentioned earlier by Peter Bleksley was the use of cctv cameras with facial recognition technology. How recognition technology. How important are they now to policing in urban areas . And should people be concerned that these cameras are looking at everybody as they go about their daily business, not just wanted suspects like daniel caliph . Well, firstly, i think the more the merrier and the better social sorry, the facial recognition cameras are brought into use by the police and cctv cameras. The reason into use by the police and cctv cameras. The reason being that van youre showing right now Territorial Support Group could quite possibly have a facial recognition camera in it. And as it drives along the road, the technology exists to say , ah, technology exists to say, ah, thats kevin hurley. Hes wanted for burglary in scotland and it would be a cause for them to stop them in terms of the public cant see any reason why members of the public would be concerned unless you are some kind of active artist who thinks its invasive , the police have not invasive, the police have not got the slightest interest. If got the slightest interest. If one of us is out walking our dog, buying our shopping, what theyll be interested in if the camera goes ding within the car or in the control room and says thats a known burglar walking down the road whos wanted for some particular offence. So the more facial recognition cameras that come in, as far as im concerned and the better its the same argument actually about how much more helpful it would be is if we carried Identity Cards in the uk, which is something that is long overdue because every , every other because every, every other developed country in the world that carries them. And for most people weve all got a form of them in our pockets called our credit cards. Our bank cards, our membership of the library, our membership of the library, our office id cards. But what it would mean is if the police had one with a biometric link on it, like one fingerprint, they can immediately say, im talking to this person who we know is an escaped Asylum Seeker or illegal immigrant whos wanted for deportation or they are a known burglar who is also wanted. I cannot see any reason why people are being so upset about it, especially because, as youve heard from your earlier speakers, police , prisons, speakers, police, prisons, courts and so on are really struggling to deal with whats going on. What could be easier than a Police Officer saying to someone walking down the street, very sorry to trouble you, sir, but fit the description but you do fit the description of can i just check of a suspect. Can i just check yourid of a suspect. Can i just check your id card or my little handheld tablet . Thank you. Please go on your way, sir. Thank you for your cooperation or youre nicked. My son. Well, kevin, i mean , its well, kevin, i mean, its probably a conversation for another day. Think people have another day. I think people have have rightful concerns about how that harvested and how that data is harvested and how its stored, how its used, and is it all citizen based day to day basis. Chris. But back to day basis. Chris. But back to the issue of daniel kalief. With all of this in place , with the all of this in place, with the monumental amount of digital surveillance , the numbers of surveillance, the numbers of people, its a very densely populated area. And yet all of that to one side. Daniel kelly still avoided detection for several days is that an embarrassment for the police force . Force . No, not at all. I mean, the embarrassment is for the government that he should have escaped from prison, which will undoubtedly come down to Staff Shortages amongst the Prison Service returning to the police. This guy is a young guy, had a couple of years in the army. So hes used to living out rough in the bush and so on. And if hes had the support of a friends or someone who said, well, i better move on, and he chooses to spend the night in in the current heatwave in under the heatwave in the uk in under the bushesin heatwave in the uk in under the bushes in Richmond Park just down road from chiswick and down the road from chiswick and so he could easily do that, so on. He could easily do that, hide in there and if we know the weathers quite warm, so not really an embarrassment at all for the police. They cant check everywhere. Theres your everywhere. And theres your shot know , very easy shot there. You know, very easy for someone to hide. In for someone to hide. There in fact, a soldier, he fact, because hes a soldier, he will probably be alert to the fact police have infrared fact that police have infrared cameras. Well have cameras. So he may well have concealed himself under sheets of plastic or load of bits of old rubbish that would hide the infrared signal that he would transmit so no reason transmit upwards. So no reason for that. You know, the police have done a good job in catching someone in difficult circumstances. Actually shows circumstances. Actually shows you how competent the metropolitan police are. Metropolitan police are. Okay, kevin hurley, thanks for that update and what has been a superb day for the metropolitan police. A job well done. Well, join me now for the latest political latest is gb news Political Correspondent catherine enforcer. Good afternoon to you, catherine. In dramatic developments, understand developments, i understand youre in the local area and you have information us have information to give us about final moments before about the final moments before Daniel Califf was taken by Daniel Califf was was taken by the police. The police. Yes. So basically , i live in yes. So basically, i live in chiswick. I came out to walk my dog about 9 30 in Chiswick House grounds. Grounds. And i was still here about the time that Daniel Califf was finally arrested. It was an absolute hive of activity here. Ive never seen anything like it. Every man and woman and his dog literally seemed to be in Chiswick House grounds. And even if you hadnt seen the news, you would have known that Something Big was afoot. There was a helicopter afoot. There was a helicopter overhead and pretty much all the time. And there were police cars in the park. Now, thats very unusual. Ive been coming here for 25 years. You dont get police cars in Chiswick House grounds. Grounds. And i think partly people were out early to escape the heat. It was going to get very hot, people walking their dogs. But everybody you spoke to, the only topic of conversation was this escaped prisoner. The reward , escaped prisoner. The reward, where was he . Chiswick house grounds the Perfect Place to hide. Theres lots of green. Hide. Theres lots of green. Theres lots of bushes, theres lots of trees. Its a really , lots of trees. Its a really, really big park. Lots of trees. Its a really, really big park. And of course, really big park. And of course, neighbours didnt have much sleep. I slept through it all, but there were helicopters over the grove park area of chiswick, which is where i am now, where i live. Overnight in the early live. Overnight in the early hours of the morning, people were tracking it on their phones. Huge amounts of speculation ,. Huge amounts of speculation, lots of sightings. And people lots of sightings. And people that i know now saying , oh, my that i know now saying, oh, my son was in his class at teddington school, teddington , teddington school, teddington, where he went to school only a couple of miles from here, wandsworth prison, about four miles. And then, of course, there was there was Richmond Park, a couple of miles from here, closed down yesterday. But certainly from late last night and through this morning. A real sense that the search was focussed on chiswick and people seem very keen to do their bit. Obviously, lots of jokes about the reward, but a real sense that people were out and about and were trying to help. So and were trying to help. So literally, the police car came just over my shoulder here along a road thats not really a road realised it couldnt turn, went back that way and drove along. Back that way and drove along. And then i got home at switched on the telly and a few minutes later the news that he had been arrested about 11 00. We dont know if it was in this park or very close to it, but certainly a huge hive of activity here. And i think great relief now that hes been found. But a lot of questions for the Prison Service, catherine. One point that keeps getting mentioned by former coppers weve had on the show, kevin hurley, Norman Brennan, Peter Bleksley, is this relationship between the general public and the police , do you think that the police, do you think that the police, do you think that the swift apprehend version of Daniel Califf and it seems that the public have been very instrumental in that, is this going to be a boon for the pubuc going to be a boon for the Public Police relations in public and Police Relations in the . Are the area . Are well, you would wonder, weve actually this is a very lovely, very affluent area with lots of celebrities. Its fairly peaceful. Normally but relations havent been so great lately. Weve had a lot of muggings. Theres been a lot of crime. The local Police Station closed a few years ago and police now have to come from feltham. But definitely today there did feel to be a real sense of collaboration. Everybody on the collaboration. Everybody on the whatsapp groups , everybody whatsapp groups, everybody seeming to want to find where this person was. Obviously, the this person was. Obviously, the 20,000 reward was a motivation, but i suspect that was more to provide people who might have known him or actually have information on him to come forward rather than just members of the public. But certainly everybody here joking saying, oh, this would be a good place to hide. That would be a good place to hide. So i suspect it will have built some bridges with the police. And i think with the police. And i think therell a of therell be a lot of satisfaction that been satisfaction that hes been caught. Okay its taken 72 hours, but and we await to hear the details. But it seems pretty certain that he has been caught in entirely because the public came out in their large numbers. Reporter sightings and have helped to bring him in. Great. So thank you, catherine, for that update from the area where you live. Chiswick where Daniel Califf was apprehended at 11 am. Today. Well, joining us now is mike neville, former chief detective detective chief inspector. Beg your pardon . Hello to you there, sir. How do you feel about todays todays apprehension . Todays todays apprehension . Well, it was a joined up affair. Police helicopters in the area from 3 am. For a couple of hours. There were thames river boats, police boats, also terror units on the ground. A lot of units on the ground. A lot of pubuc units on the ground. A lot of public involvement by the sound of it, no doubt helped by that zero 20 zero £0 reward. But a job well done. Job well done. I absolutely agree. I think the police, the metropolitan police should be absolutely congratulated on this. It was congratulated on this. It was mentioned there about 72 hours. But, you know , youre literally but, you know, youre literally looking for a needle in a hundred haystacks. Arent you trying to a who is trying to find a person who is in london . So i just think its refreshing that there is some good news and the commissioner and his officers can be absolutely congratulated on this good work. So , mike, the boys and girls so, mike, the boys and girls on the ground have done a good job at tracing this this catastrophe back to wandsworth. What kind of questions do you think will be asked of the prison system placing somebody as high risk as daniel kalief and a category b prison with a history of breakouts . History of breakouts . Absolutely. And not only that, youve got somebody whos suspected of terrorist offences being put in a kitchen full of knives. It just seems absolutely crazy to me. So one which he was crazy to me. So one which he was in the wrong prison and secondly, appears to be in the wrong the wrong job there. But i think the key thing now is that therell be trying to establish how he got out, what collusion, what visitors may have helped and did it corrupt officers help him. Did other prisoners help him . What was the how did he get out . Because i think the public will demanding will be demanding answers because police have because once the police have arrested a terrorist and theyve done a good job dealing with him and his remanded in and get him into his remanded in prison, think the public will prison, i think the public will be outraged that he can simply, you scurry out under the you know, scurry out under the bottom of a lorry. Its bottom of a of a lorry. Its like something youd expect on a an of porridge rather an episode of porridge rather than should happening in than what should be happening in real life. Indeed. And mike, Big Questions to be asked now about the of information that the kind of information that Daniel Califf harvested and Daniel Califf had harvested and known to have had his eyes on secrets. Ukip eyes only entail. Secrets. Ukip eyes only entail. This is highly Sensitive Information about British Armed forces, about our communications equipment, about our cryptographic methods. Yes. Is cryptographic methods. Yes. Is this now a for case the military to investigate its own . Is it a Police Matter or is it a secret Service Matter . What happens next in as far as trying to find out what Daniel Califf knew and who he told . Well im sure all that has already been thoroughly investigated. The police will take the primary role as the Counter Terrorism units. But of course , theyll be assisted by course, theyll be assisted by military experts and the secret service to get that information. But i think that inquiry has already been done, you know, and hes been charged and held in custody. I think the key inquiry now will be how he got out of there and who helped him , there and who helped him, because we, the public, have got to be assured that if terrorists have held in prison, then theyre very, very securely held. And cant just drive out to the place. And mike, political and moving forward now , law and moving forward now, law and order is almost certain to become a battleground between the labour party and the conservative party. You know, conservative party. You know, twas ever thus. What would you twas ever thus. What would you like to see happening next . Weve had Peter Bleksley, weve had Norman Brennan , kevin hurley had Norman Brennan, kevin hurley talking about the paucity of Police Officers, the absence of numbers , the boots on the ground numbers, the boots on the ground. Is this a time for those conversations . We need to ramp conversations . We need to ramp up law and order because this is the inevitable consequences of austerity and cutting short. Austerity and cutting short. Absolutely. And i think there are some police numbers. Theyve come back. But the trouble is, come back. But the trouble is, is that the vast majority of officers are very inexperienced. You know, when i was a young pc, there was officers on the shift with me who had 20 years in the police. Now if somebody has got four and five years, theyre the sort veteran. Thats going sort of veteran. So thats going to long time get to take a long time to get through. I think the home secretary is saying all the right things, Getting Police right things, getting the police to crime. But until to focus on crime. Um, but until until the focus moves away from sort of diversity and other things like that, people just dont care who the officers are, what sex or sexuality or colour they are. The public just want a Better Service from the police. They want the sort of professionalism that weve seen in the search and arrest of kalief. They want to see that when their house gets burgled, their shop gets plundered by a load of looters. You know, load of looters. You know, theyre sexual theyre threatened with Sexual Assault or theyre attacked on the street. People see the street. People want to see the street. People want to see the professionalism weve seen today in every case, when they when they need the polices help. And with only 5 of burglary is being solved, 1 of thefts, this is why the public lose confidence in the police, because they dont think that the criminals will be caught and that has to change. And mike, £20,000 was on the table for the apprehension of daniel kalief , a bit of bribery daniel kalief, a bit of bribery with the public helped in the end. But in terms of restoring that key, key relationship between the police and the community, do you think this case will help that . Case will help that . I think so, because it just shows what you know. I was proud to be a Scotland Yard detective and the words Scotland Yard were famous throughout the world as as the, you know, the best police in the new innovations. And think the public will and i just think the public will see this itll refreshing see this and itll refreshing change think you know those change to think you know those british those british bobbies, those the commissioner his commissioner and all his officers on ground, theyve officers on the ground, theyve done a really job. And done a really good job. And i think it will help. What think it will help. But what happens is in your everyday life, too people are life, too many people are reporting a burglary to get a crime number so they can claim the insurance. Theyre not reporting the burglary in any hope the villain will hope that the villain will be caught their property caught and their property will be must be recovered. And that must change. Thats what they will gain. The police confidence and trust that the public know that if they need the police, the police will do a good job, investigate crimes and catch criminals and make them safer. Okay. Mike neville , thanks okay. Mike neville, thanks for us today on gb news forjoining us today on gb news saturday. Going to have saturday. Were going to have to leave fast leave it there. Its a fast moving please stay with us. Moving day. Please stay with us. All the updates the all of the updates on the dramatic arrest daniel dramatic arrest of Daniel Califf. Coming up right califf. Thats coming up right after your latest weather update i looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors up. Boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good afternoon. My name is good afternoon. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend. Weve got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. So fairly warm as well. Seen some heavy well. Weve seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout today and they will slowly ease away as we go through tonight. So leaving a fairly dry night for many, though, a bit of rain and drizzle across the far northwest, though, as we go into the hours of sunday the early hours of sunday morning. Area heavy morning. An area of heavy showers thunderstorms morning. An area of heavy showersto thunderstorms morning. An area of heavy showers to push nderstorms morning. An area of heavy showers to push into storms morning. An area of heavy showers to push into the ns starting to push into the southwest. Thats all during southwest. And thats all during another warm humid night. So another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning, another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning , those to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales. The midlands and later on into Northern England, Northern Ireland and into southern scotland. And they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and as well as and thunderstorms as well as some strong, gusty winds. So do keep an eye on the forecast if youre out and about in these areas tomorrow but will be areas tomorrow, but it will be another day , especially in another warm day, especially in the south east with highs of 32 now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. But this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way east, south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well. Developing just ahead of that. And changeable autumnal and that changeable autumnal theme continuing as we go through next week through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining average , declining back down to average, looks like things are heating up by next boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on the peoples channel. Britains news. The peoples channel. Britains news. Channel the peoples channel. Britains news. Channel hello britains news. Channel hello. Good afternoon. Im Tamsin Roberts in the gb newsroom. Here are the headlines at 130, the Prime Minister says hes very pleased. Terror suspect daniel caliph has been arrested after escaping from hmp wandsworth on wednesday. Rishi sunak also wednesday. Rishi sunak also praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him. The former soldier escaped from the prison on wednesday by strapping himself to the bottom of a food delivery van. The 21 year old was arrested this morning in chiswick in west london and is now in police custody. The foreign secretary says the uk is supporting british nationals after more than 800 people have died in an earthquake in morocco. Cctv has captured the moment when the earthquake measuring 6. 8 magnitude, struck marrakesh. Magnitude, struck marrakesh. Its the closest large city to the epicentre, which is in the high atlas mountains. More than 300 people have been injured and the impact of the earthquake was felt in cities across the country. The Prime Minister says country. The Prime Minister says he and his Indian Counterpart, Narendra Modi , have a lot of Narendra Modi, have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached. Rishi sunak says hes committed to reaching a trade agreement, but refused to put a deadline on it. Mr sunak also says the g20 delegates have agreed on a joint message with very Strong Language about russias illegal war in ukraine, adding that russia is completely isolated. Russia is completely isolated. 16 Police Officers have been injured after seizing explosives and weapons in londonderry. Crowds attacked the officers as searches were carried out in the creggan area. Hand guns, creggan area. Hand guns, grenades, plastic explosives and money were discovered. The two money were discovered. The two men and a woman have been arrested. Authorities say their main focus is on the new ira well, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news. Dot com. Now back to. Martin now. Back to. Martin now. Thanks for that update , thanks for that update, tamsin. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me Martin Daubney on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your Digital Radio. Back to our top story today. The police have arrested, escaped prisoner Daniel Califf. Have arrested, escaped prisoner Daniel Califf. The arrest Daniel Califf. The arrest occurred just before 11 am. Today after he escaped hmp wandsworth on wednesday. The wandsworth on wednesday. The police force issued a short statement which said officers apprehended the 21 year old in the Chiswick Area and he has been taken into police custody. In their statement, the met police said we would like to thank the public and media for their support throughout our investigation to locate califf, and we will provide a further update on his arrest in due course. Well, Prime Minister course. Well, Prime Minister rishi sunak , speaking to rishi sunak, speaking to broadcasters at the g20 summit venuein broadcasters at the g20 summit venue in delhi in new delhi in india, has congratulated police, telling reporters he is very pleased. Well, joining us now is pleased. Well, joining us now is graham whetton, former met Police Officer. Thanks for joining us on gb news saturday. Graham dramatic developments , an graham dramatic developments, an intensive police manhunt. The dragnet tightened then overnight around about 3 am, Police Helicopters in the chiswick bridge area over grove park and chiswick itself. There were chiswick itself. There were police boats on the river thames. Terror response units on the ground, a very coordinated, very targeted, very joined up apprehension. You must be delighted with what the police have done today. Have done today. Yeah , i think its testament yeah, i think its testament to the dedication commitment of the whole team, the investigation team, the Counter Terror detectives , their Counter Terror detectives, their analysts that have been working 24 over seven since moeen ali on this. And were working through the night checking every possible sighting, checking every piece night checking every possible siginformation,ing every piece night checking every possible siginformation, intelligence ce of information, intelligence known daniel, where known about daniel, where hes likely be going, the route likely to be going, the route hes taken, almost like plotting him the map. Him on the map. And can almost follow it and you can almost follow it in route from in a linear route from wandsworth prison through to wandsworth prison through to wandsworth roundabout, wandsworth prison through to wandswontowards roundabout, wandsworth prison through to wandswontowards richmond ut, wandsworth prison through to wandswontowards Richmond Park, maybe on towards Richmond Park, on hes almost going out towards hes almost going out towards west london on the west london corridor. Clearly theyve corridor. So clearly theyve been following very sightings. Calls from the public have been essential the work from essential in this. The work from the highlighting the the media highlighting the description last description where he was last seen, the time he was last seen. It supports the. It all supports the information analysts information that the analysts and detectives getting in and detectives are getting in the information room. The in the information room. Great work by everybody so great work by everybody involved, the involved, testament to the dedication commitment of the dedication and commitment of the Counter Terror that Counter Terror detectives that have actually located him and captured morning. Captured him this morning. Okay. Graham, a lot of people were perhaps overestimating mr caliphs abilities to maybe escape the country. His links to iran, of course , he is wanted. Iran, of course, he is wanted. Hes facing trial , in fact, on hes facing trial, in fact, on breaches of the official secrets act. Turns out actually , he was act. Turns out actually, he was just in the local area all along, perhaps just living rough, trying to evade the police. But in the end, he just could not avoid detection in an area which is quite a lot of expensive woodland. But also a lot of people , a lot of people lot of people, a lot of people wanting £20,000 reward, a lot of police and a lot of cctv cameras as well. As well. Yeah, for those that dont know, a very busy part of london popular commuter route down through wandsworth along the a3, the normal corridor, one of the main roads into london. So you know, hes been in and around very busy areas. And youre right, it does seem hes almost been on his own to a certain extent, but that would part extent, but that would be part of investigation. Now, the of the investigation. Now, the investigation take slower investigation can take a slower and slower at been and slower look at whats been going got out, if he going on, how he got out, if he had inside, if it was had any help inside, if it was just literally himself that was planned this methodically because all because it looks like its all pre planned. Did take his pre planned. But did he take his time out as he any time to get out as he had any assistance while hes been out of and look at actually of prison . And look at actually how hes how hes got to where hes found. You know, hes been found. But you know, testament everything thats testament to everything thats been are lots of been done, there are lots of specular relative theories about what him. The what happened to him. The investigating officer, the senior investigating officer said his briefings was said in all his briefings he was keeping mind. Everything keeping an open mind. Everything was was available and an was a was available and an option. He looking at option. He was looking at everything, he still everything, but he still maintained was on the maintained his focus was on the london area. So clearly they felt still in the london felt he was still in the london area, is why search area, which is why the search has been intensive the has been so intensive over the lastokay. Graham weston, former okay. Graham weston, former metropolitan Police Officer, thanks joining well, thanks for joining us. Well, its for the boys its a great day for the boys and in blue. Well joining and girls in blue. Well joining Us Former Home Office us now is former Home Office Minister david mellor. David theres inevitably going to be a political fallout after the dramatic arrest of daniel caliph at 11 am. Today. Rishi sunak in india being pulled to one side. Hes saying hes happy with this, but inevitably the attacks are going to come about law and order, about a broken prison system. How big a deal do you think law and order is going to be at the next general election . 7 a 7 a very . A very big deal. A very big deal. May we just deal with what has just happened . One thing is good about whats just happened, and there was lots of concern on that. He had in side help, but it perfectly obvious that he just was clever at taking a chance. Was clever at taking a chance. He took a chance. But once he was outside, he hadnt got a clue what he was going to do and where he was going to go. And he has been recaptured. And he has been recaptured. So theres no great plot to get someone out of a prison. Look, i know wandsworth pfison look, i know wandsworth prison well. I went there prison very well. I went there many decades ago in my professional life as a lawyer. And it was right next door to the constituency which i represented in parliament for 20 years. Its a terrible old place i its falling to bits , its falling to bits, understaffed because obviously nobody gets a lot of pleasure out of working there. Why on earth . This is the big question. Earth . This is the big question. Why on earth was caliph put there . He should have been put in a category one prison on that. And wandsworth is not a category one prison. Its a category two prison. And he should not have just been left there in circumstances that a man of his ingenuity and capability was able to quite readily escape. And i think its quite frightening how readily he could escape and reassure hes been recaptured and well done. The police, for doing that. The police, for doing that. The police, for doing that. But lots of questions have to be asked. Why was he in wandsworth . Why did it take them so long . Apparently it took nearly half an hour when they discovered hed gone for them to notify the police to start looking out for him. All of this suggests a criminal Justice System that is in pieces. In pieces. Okay, david mellor , thank you okay, david mellor, thank you for joining us on that topic. Were joined now by barrister and writer stephen barrett. And writer stephen barrett. Stephen, so now that daniel kalief is in police custody, where he belongs, thankfully , where he belongs, thankfully, what happens next . Because heres a guy hopefully will be going back to a more secure unit than wandsworth. Hes already facing. Two charges, was due to face them in november. Speculation that may be put back because of the public scrutiny around this and an additional charge, perhaps of escaping a prison. What happens next . Prison. What happens next . Yes. Well, think actually im going to have to do that thing that people find very irritating when lawyers do it and say, look, this is a live case now. We dont know what hes going to plead. We should probably not talk about the specifics of it. Told off very actually got told off very recently of the recently by a member of the pubuc recently by a member of the public dislikes the fact public who dislikes the fact that lawyers do this. The reason that we do it is very, very important. We never, ever, ever want to make sure that somebody who is who is a bad person ends up going free because of silly things that anybody said in the press or the media or or social media. So im not going to comment on the specifics of the case, but i think i can echo david mellor and what he just said in that there are serious question. As for wandsworth prison and for the Prison Service as to why this individual was in the type of prison that he was in. And there was a very interesting point made yesterday by jonathan hall, kc , which is by jonathan hall, kc, which is that we all focus on the terrorism charge that this individual is facing these also facing an espionage charge. That means spying on the country. Now 40, 50 years ago, culture, that would have been much more important. You would much more important. You would have cared much more about that one. That would have been the one getting the headlines would have been the one getting all of the attention. And im wondering if culturally we havent moved a culturally we havent moved to a point where almost point where were almost pretending crimes against pretending that crimes against the either arent the state either arent important or dont really exist and can just give you a very simple example of that. Its quite common, quite popular in sort of educated circles as to hold the political belief that, oh, treason doesnt really exist anymore. Really exist anymore. Well never put anybody on trial for treason now just mean that is, if you want to have that is, if you want to have that political belief that is entirely open to you and i dont have any contract political belief, but purely as a statistic, a matter of statistics, somethings going to happen. Somebody is going to commit treason against the United Kingdom in the next thousand years. At some point, and were going to prosecute them under a treason its them under a treason law. Its going to happen. So why have we got ourselves point got ourselves into the point where sort of it becomes where we sort of it becomes fashionable, becomes fashionable, it becomes politically the done politically sort of the done thing for the in crowd to sort of sneer a bit at treason and pretend that treason laws dont matter , that crimes against the matter, that crimes against the state dont matter, espionage against the state seems to me to matter a lot. Yeah stephen barrett, were going to to leave there. Thank to have to leave it there. Thank you that take. Youre you for that take. Youre absolutely right. Huge questions you for that take. Youre absowillly right. Huge questions you for that take. Youre absowill beight. Huge questions you for that take. Youre absowill be asked uge questions you for that take. Youre absowill be asked uge qlwhatns now will be asked about what daniel kalief who he told daniel kalief knew, who he told and what that means for the british army and the british army and indeed the safety of the nation. We have to move on now. Were watching and listening to gb news saturday with daubney loads with me. Martin daubney loads more todays show. More coming up on todays show. Well course, on well have more, of course, on that dramatic of terror that dramatic arrest of terror suspect kalief. Plus, in suspect daniel kalief. Plus, in other news is rishi sunak set to clamp down on trans kids . And well go live to india where the 620 well go live to india where the g20 summit is taking place at the moment. All of that to come. Of course, youre watching and listening gb news britains listening to gb news britains news 7 00 this evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel peoples. Channel welcome back to gb news saturday with me, Martin Daubney on your tv, online and on your Digital Radio. Well, the g 20 summit is being held in south asia for the first time with joe biden, rishi sunak and Emmanuel Macron attending two big names. Russias Vladimir Putin and, of course, chinas xi jinping arent at the summit with representatives attending on their behalf. Rishi sunak has met his Indian Counterpart, Narendra Modi today with trade deal talks. At the top of the deal talks. At the top of the agenda. Deal talks. At the top of the agenda. Well, gb news political agenda. Well, gb news Political Editor Christopher Hope is in new delhi and is joining us now. Choppen new delhi and is joining us now. Chopper, whats the latest on the ground . Weve read about embarrassing knockback from from Prime Minister modi. He blew out a meeting with rishi sunak and he said he had to go for a meal out with the missus. Out with the missus. Yeah, well, i mean, number 10 would say thats what happens when you have a moving, moving feast of different meetings. Must take place. Yes, that is correct. Martin that there was due to be a meeting yesterday between the pm and Prime Minister modi. It didnt happen. That was that that was had to be discussed by number 10. And instead and a further meeting didnt happen last night between business bosses, local me and mr sunak. Business bosses, local me and mr sunak. So he went out for dinner sunak. So he went out for dinner with his wife. But i think today with his wife. But i think today has been a much better day for the Prime Minister. There has been a productive conversation in terms of thats language for mr about this, this, mr sunak about this, this this, this with with prime this chat with with with Prime Minister modi. And the pm reiterated for reiterated that his ambition for a trade deal, which he a landmark trade deal, which he thinks benefit world powers thinks will benefit world powers and grow trade and services. And thats the fact thats the key thing, the fact thats the key thing, the fact that sunak mentioned that mr sunak mentioned is benefiting shows there benefiting workers shows there might a deal done visas might be a deal done on visas for indian wanting to for indian people wanting to come to britain as part of a trade deal. And thats where some of the friction is at the moment. So it looks like hes pulled pulled the bag with pulled pulled out the bag with with result. Dont with a better result. I dont think those trade talks. Think from those trade talks. But lets what but well hear lets hear what mr sunak had to say. Prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of Different Things with regard to the trade know theres the trade deal. Know theres a desire of our parts to desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded. Opportunities are concluded. The opportunities are there for countries, but there for both countries, but there for both countries, but there lot of hard work there is a lot of hard work thats still go and we need thats still to go and we need to work through that as we will do. But i think theres also opportunity is for us to deepen our and lots of our relationship and lots of different and different areas. And he and i talked about as well, talked about that as well, whether in defence and whether its in defence and security, in education, in research, things. Research, all sorts of things. And. Thats registered sunak and. Thats registered sunak earlier talking post that meeting with, with modi. Now whats interesting, since then theyve agreed a communique which has been hailed by mr sunakis which has been hailed by mr sunak is showing very Strong Language about russias illegal war in ukraine. I think thats maybe in the eye of the beholder. The language is not as strong as i would say. It needs to be, or certainly the uk would like it be. In terms of the like it to be. In terms of the communique it talks about, all states in a manner states must act in a manner consistent with the un charter in its entirety and refrain from the force. So the threat or use of force. So theres a communique agreed in to sign up to it as as china, and that has left russia more isolated than ever tonight. But whether thats enough to do anything to affect the war in ukraine, well wait and see. Martin Christopher Hope live martin Christopher Hope im live from at the g20. From new delhi at the g20. You for joining from new delhi at the g20. You forjoining us from new delhi at the g20. You for joining us with thank you for joining us with that. And, you know, that update. And, you know, rishi was out there hoping for a trade deal, but the dramatic events of Daniel Califf have made the news agenda about something quite different. Just something quite different. Just when he was hoping for a good moment, hes been overtaken by events and another Storm Brewing domestically rishi clamping events and another Storm Brewing dome on ally rishi clamping events and another Storm Brewing dome on trade rishi clamping events and another Storm Brewing dome on trade ins;hi clamping events and another Storm Brewing dome on trade ins kids . Mping events and another Storm Brewing dome on trade ins kids . Because down on trade ins kids . Because its been reported that the Prime Minister is considering abandoning plans to ban children from changing gender at schools. Sunak from changing gender at schools. Sunak has vowed to clamp down on kids who demand to be referred to by a different pronoun and wear the uniform of the opposite sex, which is quite a u turn on a previous position. Well, joining me now is lgbtq activist and director of the Peter Tatchell foundation. Peter tatchell. Good afternoon to you, peter. So another u turn by rishi on the track means debate. Can you set out what the new position is and what its changed from . Please well, as you say, rishi sunak wanted to have a total ban on trans pupils , socially transitioning , social , socially transitioning, social transitioning does not involve surgery. It simply involves using their preferred new name that accords their gender identity and being allowed to wear clothes that correspond to that. So theres no medical interventions or surgery involved. The government was involved. The government was planning to have a total ban , planning to have a total ban, but now the government looks like its going to u turn because the attorney general , a because the attorney general, a conservative politician , has conservative politician, has determined that a total ban would be unlawful under britains equality laws. Britains equality laws. And theres also been a row back from the conservative education secretary, Gillian Keegan , who says that this would keegan, who says that this would be an unreasonable thing to impose on trans pupils. Impose on trans pupils. And in most cases, of course , trans pupils do socially transition , often with the transition, often with the consent of their parents. Teachers and fellow pupils. So teachers and fellow pupils. So its something that has already long existed in schools and there have not been the problems that many people fear and predict. Predict. Okay, peter Kemi Badenoch had originally wanted a firmer stance on this around the issue of compelled speech , and that of compelled speech, and that was effectively forcing teachers to use pronouns if they didnt want to do this. A similar situation to jordan peterson, what he had in canada, he didnt want to be told what speech to use. But aside from that, what would you say to critics who said that the teaching of transgenderism. Lgbt politics has no place in schools whatsoever. Its causing whatsoever. Its causing a Mental Health crisis. And this Mental Health crisis. And this is ostensibly mounting up to the grooming of young minds. It should be kicked out of schools altogether. Altogether. Well, there is no law that forces or compels anybody to use correct pronouns, but it is a matter of courtesy and respect. Matter of courtesy and respect. So even if you dont agree with trans people , i think just trans people, i think just showing them the courtesy of referring them to them by their preferred name and pronoun , preferred name and pronoun, thats just the common decent thing to do. Its not a big ask. Thing to do. Its not a big ask. Most most people do that already. Its only a minority, a vocal minority who object. But in our schools ive been to schools where they have pupils who have socially transitioned and they have been entirely accepted , have been entirely accepted, outed by their parents. Its the Teaching Staff and fellow pupils. They are welcomed and the principal is in a democratic society. We respect individual society. We respect individual rights and personal freedoms and that must include the right to be referred to by the name that you prefer and the pronouns that you prefer and the pronouns that you prefer. Now, when it comes to teaching about lgbt issues in schools , no teaching encouraged schools, no teaching encouraged urges anyone to be lgb or t the teaching is about combating prejudice. Its to promote prejudice. Its to promote understanding and to reduce bullying in in the classroom and the playground. But peter, that the playground. But peter, that is the response most parents. But peter, what would you say to those, for example . Well, to those, for example . Well, around their matters of their faith , their religion, they faith, their religion, they dont agree with this kind of thing. And if theyre being told that they must use people pronouns because theyre to told that, that thats against free speech. Well , you know, people have well, you know, people have a right to hold their opinions. But in a free society, there has to be give and take. You know, we are different. Theres diversity in our society. And i welcome that. But we shouldnt expect people to just, you know, say whatever they want. You know, it just kindness and compassion. Learn to respect way compassion. Learn to respect way people want to be referred to. Okay if we have to leave it there, im afraid we have to cut you short. Lots more coming up on todays show. But first, lets take a look at the all important weather this heat wave. Heat weather on this heat wave. Heat wave. Saturday looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good afternoon. My name is good afternoon. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend. So weve got those weekend. So weve got those isobars fairly spread out. So bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. So fairly warm as well. Weve seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout and they will throughout today and they will slowly go slowly ease away as we go through tonight. So leaving a fairly dry night for many. Theyre a bit of rain and drizzle across the far northwest coast, into coast, though, as we go into the early hours of sunday morning. An of heavy showers and an area of heavy showers and thunderstorms starting to push into southwest. And thats into the southwest. And thats all during another warm and humid night. Start sunday humid night. So to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales, the midlands and later on into Northern England, Northern Ireland and into southern scotland. And they could be pretty bringing some hail pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong , gusty winds. So do some strong, gusty winds. So do keep an eye on the forecast if you are out about these you are out and about in these areas but it will be areas tomorrow. But it will be another warm day, especially in the with highs of 30 the south east with highs of 30 to. Now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. But this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. And that changeable autumnal theme continuing as we go through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining average declining back down to average range. Range. Looks like things are heating up with boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as. Still to come in the next as. Still to come in the next houn as. Still to come in the next hour, rishi sunak. Nac is being urged to appoint a minister for men. Ill speak to the man behind that suggestion, Nick Fletcher. Mp all of that to come and much more. Im Martin Daubney channel hello and welcome back to gb news saturday. Its £0. 02 pm. Im Martin Daubney in for the next hour. Ill be keeping you company on your tv online and of course, on your Digital Radio. All the big stories that matter to you are coming up this hour, including escaped prisoner daniel been dramatic Daniel Califf has been dramatic , arrested police. Well , arrested by police. Well bnng , arrested by police. Well bring you the latest on his capture. And what might happen next. And heads of governments are coming together in india for the summit. Rishi sunak has the g20 summit. Rishi sunak has held with the indian prime held talks with the indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will go live delhi for the latest live to delhi for the latest with our Political Editor, Christopher Hope and rishi sunak is being urged to appoint a minister for men as figures show that male suicide rate is 75 of all of the total. And ill speak all of the total. And ill speak to the man behind that suggestion, Nick Fletcher, mp and do get in touch all the usual ways. Send me your thoughts on gbviews gbnews. Com. Or of course , message me on our or of course, message me on our socials. Were at gb news. But first, its your news update with tamsen. Martin. With tamsen. Martin. Thank you and a very good afternoon from the newsroom. Its one minute past to the Prime Minister says hes very pleased. Terror suspect daniel kalief has been arrested after escaping from hmp wandsworth on wednesday. Rishi sunak also praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him. Well, our home and security editor mark white has more. Editor mark white has more. Very dramatic events that ended just before 11 00 this morning in chiswick with those officers arresting daniel Kalief Browder bring to an end this nationwide manhunt that clearly has been a huge embarrassment for the Prison Service. The fact that this young man was able to get out of wandsworth prison in the first place, strapped to the underneath of a food delivery truck, he had been spotted , of truck, he had been spotted, of course, in wandsworth at that roundabout. That coming through roundabout. That coming through yesterday. But it was really yesterday. But it was really this morning in the Chiswick Area where are multiple sightings of daniel kalief were coming in this time he changed his clothing to wearing a baseball cap. Police were in the baseball cap. Police were in the area in very significant numbers and arrested him soon after. While shadow justice secretary Shabana Mahmood says the conservatives have broken the conservatives have broken the prison system. The prison system. Well, weve had 13 years of missed management of the criminal Justice System by the conservative party and the fact that this situation was even allowed to happen in the first place is a national embarrassment. And so the government does have to urgently get a grip. Tell tell us whether the prison estate is secure for and that they can provide reassurance that all other similar suspects who are in our prisons are in the correct category of prison. Bearing in mind the offences that are alleged and that that prison estate is secure. In other news, foreign secretary James Cleverly says the uk is supporting british nationals after more than 800 people have died in an earthquake in morocco. Cctv has captured the moment when the earthquake measuring 6. 8 magnitude, struck marrakesh. Magnitude, struck marrakesh. Its the nearest large city to the epicentre, which was in the high atlas mountains. More than high atlas mountains. More than 300 people have also been injured. The impact of the earthquake was felt in cities across the country. Many have been forced to camp after buildings crumbled with the rescue operation ongoing. One resident from casablanca says he couldnt believe what was happening. Happening. The house rocked aggressively. Everyone was scared and i was shocked and i didnt understand what was happening. I thought it was only my house that was moving because its fragile and old. I heard people screaming and everyone went out of their homes. The street is full of people and women screaming. Thats whats happened even now. People cant go back home because theyre still afraid because of the last hit, we didnt hit, the first hit, we didnt feel it. People cant go back to feel it. People cant go back to their houses because theyre still because of the still afraid, because of the second think a seven second hit. I think its a seven magnitude rishi sunak says he and indias Prime Minister Narendra Modi have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached ahead of their discussions. G20 delegates have agreed on a joint message with very Strong Language about russias illegal war in ukraine. Rishi sunak says russia is completely isolated. Russia is completely isolated. Did the Prime Minister also says hes committed to reaching a trade agreement with india but refused to put a deadline on it i Prime Minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of Different Things with regard to the trade deal. Theres a desire the trade deal. Theres a desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal conclude added. The successful trade deal conclude added. The opportunities are there for both countries , but there for both countries, but there for both countries, but there a lot of hard work there is a lot of hard work thats go and we need thats still to go and we need to that as we will to work through that as we will do. I think theres also do. But i think theres also opportunities for to us deepen our relationship of our relationship and lots of different and and different areas. And he and i talked about that as well, whether defence whether its in defence and security , in Education Research security, in Education Research , sorts things. , all sorts of things. 16 Police Officers have been injured after seizing explosives and weapons in londonderry crown crowds attacked the officers as searches were carried out in the creggan area. Handguns, grenades creggan area. Handguns, grenades and plastic explosives were discovered, which authorities believe could have been used by dissident republicans to attack police. Two men and a woman have police. Two men and a woman have been arrested under the terrorism act. Police say their main line of enquiry is on the new ira today is expected to be the hottest day of the year so far, hitting 33 c in southern england. It follows the past england. It follows the past five days of temperatures above 30 degrees in september. For the first time, forecasters say the record is likely to continue until the end of this week. With an amber heat alert in place and in addition to the heat, the met office says central britain could face potential thunderstorms from about now. Meanwhile a yellow warning for thunderstorms has been issued for Northern Ireland for tomorrow. This for Northern Ireland for tomorrow. This is gb news for Northern Ireland for tomorrow. This is gb news across tomorrow. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Welcome back. And on to our top story today , the police have story today, the police have arrested a escaped prisoner, Daniel Califf. The arrest occurred just before 11 am. Today after califf escaped wandsworth prison, of course, on wednesday say the police force issued a short statement saying we would like to thank the pubuc we would like to thank the public and the media for their support throughout our investigation to locate califf. And provide a further and we will provide a further update on his arrest in due course. Well, joining me now is security and intelligence expert and professor of politics, anthony glees. Hello to you, anthony. Good afternoon. A dramatic story , of course, this dramatic story, of course, this is now is a live investigation. We have to be careful what we say about the specifics of mr califfs charge us. But in terms of the operation itself , a califfs charge us. But in terms of the operation itself, a huge success. Finally joined up, thinking there was a coordinated campaign of Police Helicopters overnight in chiswick, the grove park area. They were boats on the thames. Police boats focussed on a very intensive part of the river bank. They were a terror units on the ground. The public had a £20,000 reward. All of this has borne fruit, so in terms of the event itself, a great success. Anthony well, absolutely. Well, absolutely. Its the most excellent result for the uk , a bad result result for the uk, a bad result for mr califf , but a most for mr califf, but a most excellent result, an end in a way. It shows a number of things. First of all, the moment the Counter Terrorist cops got involved was in a sense, the beginning of the end. The big beginning of the end. The big problem here will have been what was going on inside the prison in in wandsworth. There and why it took the prison authorities. It took the prison authorities. 40 minutes an hour to get hold of the police and tell them that hed escaped the moment the Counter Terrorist cops did get involved. And remember, they are the elite, the British Police service. So the very best intelligence led officers then on a systematic manhunt was underway. But also, dont underway. But also, dont forget, this took four days for days. And what that tells us, i think, first of all, that Daniel Califf was almost certainly acting by himself on the outside. We cant make a judgement as to what was going on inside wandsworth itself. But on inside wandsworth itself. But on inside wandsworth itself. But on the outside he seems to have been acting alone. Nobody was been acting alone. Nobody was giving him any assistance. And giving him any assistance. And the second thing was that he was clearly using his training. He clearly using his training. He he was a member of signals regiment. He understood about electronic signalling and he was not using any mobile device , any not using any mobile device, any device that could have been used by the police to track him. So thats a really big thing to note. Note. Anthony, youre also a professor of politics. This is sure to become a huge political story. Now, weve already seen the shadow Justice Minister criticise it in the conservative government. Rishi sunak is in new delhi hoping for a good news story about a trade deal. But front and centre now surely is going to be law and order in terms of the austerity, the cutbacks both within the police and the Prison Service as the tories pride themselves. Of course, being the party of law and order. How key a battleground do you think this is going to be moving forward now . Anthony to the next general election . Well, i think the british pubuc well, i think the British Public were very concerned about kalief being on the run. After all, he was accused, he was allegations , remember that. He allegations, remember that. He was allegations hadnt been proven in a trial. Two very proven in a trial. Two very serious, different allegations, terrorist offences , his and terrorist offences, his and effectively espionage and using the knowledge he had gained in stafford which is a centre for both Rapid Deployment of forces within nato, but also electronic intel, ligence gathering and communications. So this, this communications. So this, this was a very difficult matter for the British Government and i think the politics of it will. We shall have to see how this pans out. Certainly the big focus will be on what was happening in wandsworth prison and the allegation thats been made by many people. I mean, ian made by many people. I mean, ian acheson, for example , whos acheson, for example, whos actually been in charge of security of wandsworth, a very noted authority on Security Matters in the uk as has said this, this was a disaster waiting to happen. Too few waiting to happen. Too few people working in prisons. The old guards all got rid of young men, largely replacing them with very little experience and they dont know how to do things. And above all, well, a man who was a category a potential threat to the United Kingdom. As i say, the United Kingdom. As i say, the allegation has not been proved. But were they to be proved, he would be classed as a category a threat to britain in a category b prison. And not a category b prison. And not only in a category b prison, but not working in the kitchen with access, not to just knives, but also to the outside world. And i would not be surprised if wandsworth itself was not closed. But you know, dont lets forget this was is in the end a success story. It appears end a success story. It appears to me as if kalief was trying to walk to heathrow. I dont know if the police would share that view. Hed gone across the thames, which is also amazing. Thames, which is also amazing. Four days on the run , but not four days on the run, but not using a mobile phone, not apparently communicate with anyone. The cops had to rely on the public and on cctv, such as it was. But that too, is very complicated because the whole place is full of cameras. But its coordinating them quickly. Its coordinating them quickly. Thatis its coordinating them quickly. That is the problem. But i do think this is, you know , a very think this is, you know, a very good result for the Counter Terrorist police, a very bad result for wandsworth. Result for wandsworth. Professor anthony glees , professor anthony glees, were going to have to leave it there. Thank you for joining were going to have to leave it there. Thank you forjoining us there. Thank you for joining us today on gb news santhali and on today on gb news santhali and on to that next story about the political fallout because labours shadow justice secretary Shabana Mahmood says labours shadow justice sec government� na mahmood says labours shadow justice sec government hasiahmood says labours shadow justice sec government has questions ays labours shadow justice sec government has questions to; the government has questions to answer over daniel caliphs escape. Lets have a listen to what she said earlier today. Well, weve had 13 years of mismanagement of the criminal Justice System by the conservative party and the fact that this situation was even allowed to happen in the first place is a national embarrassment. And so the government does have to urgently get a grip. Tell tell us whether the prison estate is secure the and that they can provide reassure lawrence that all other similar suspects who are in our prisons are in the correct category of prison. Bearing in mind the offences that are alleged and that that prison estate is secure in terms of the labour approach, we would never have run down the criminal Justice System in the way that the conservative party have, and we would be ensuring that the prison estate is secure. We would get on with building the prison places that we all need to to see make sure that were deaung to to see make sure that were dealing with the problems of overcrowding and staffing retention. But really , there are retention. But really, there are fundamental questions here for the government to answer. A the government to answer. A prisoner escaped from a prison where there has been an escape not too long ago. It is a prisoner who is suspected of some of the most serious charges and they need to explain what went wrong on the day and what theyre to about it. Theyre going to do about it. Now, we have this is set to become a huge political story. Well, joined now by retired well, im joined now by retired prison governor and author, vanessa. Vanessa what do you make of the shadow justice secretarys there . Law secretarys comments there . Law and order set to be front and centre of any forthcoming Election Campaign . Well i think Election Campaign . Well i think as as is expected, the opposition has jumped on the bandwagon, havent they . You know, any any sort of thing like this. You know, it just turns into a political mudslinging from one side to the other. And unfortunately, the Prison Service is in the middle of that i you know, think think, you know , building different prisons know, building different prisons , more prison places, locking up more prisoners. That is not the answer. That the you know, the prison system needs. You know, were locking up people who steal a sandwich. You know, this is ridiculous. This you know, is ridiculous. This you know, these people would be far better off served in the community. The fact that our prisons have been bled dry since 2010 from osborne and cameron, you know , staff and cameron, you know, staff have got been got rid of hundreds of thousands of hours of experience gone. Now were of experience gone. Now were were recruiting young new young men and women who dont receive proper training, who dont receive of support. And then, receive of support. And then, you know, you wonder why kalief was allowed to get well underneath a truck under the gate. Through the gate. Gate. Through the gate. Well , vanessa, as gate. Through the gate. Well, vanessa, as a former prisoner, governor yourself, no doubt youd have been taken by the comments from professor ian acheson , the governor and head acheson, the governor and head of security at wandsworth itself, from where kalief escaped when he said kitchen jobs or prized in local prisons pay jobs or prized in local prisons pay relatively well and are normally subject to strict Risk Assessment as youd expect, if he put a load of felons in charge of some very big knives, dont you think, vanessa , a key dont you think, vanessa, a key question to ask here is how somebody of caliphs risk was given a job in a prison with access to weapons. And of course, as as fate has shown, access to ins and outs via delivery vans. Delivery vans. Okay. Well, you know, the okay. Well, you know, the police over the last four days have said that hes not a risk. He is not a risk to the public. And that would have come up in the Risk Assessment that was completed for him to work in the kitchens. Lets face it here. He shouldnt have actually been in wandsworth prison, that wandsworth prison, but that isnt fault. I isnt wandsworths fault. I think those that should have made him a category, a prison have to take some responsibility and that is head office and the Counter Terrorist police who will fully have been aware that daniel kalief was in wandsworth and what he was charged with. Yeah vanessa, youre quite right i theres going to be a lot of mudslinging and wandsworth has been very, very heavily, heavily criticised by all and sundry. Is criticised by all and sundry. Is that fair . A lot of people have been saying historically that wandsworth should have been closed down or even demolished years ago. Youre probably right. It should. Theres a theres a fair few of those victorian prisons about up and down the country that are really not fit for purpose and have been said so by the inspector of prisons. The problem is, is where do we put them . You know, theyre not building prison places enough to replace them. So its all very well make it on a whim or i shouldnt be surprised if wandsworth or close. Well where are we going to put 6300 prisoners . Because a guarantee now we couldnt just move 1600 prisoners out . Prisoners out . Well, vanessa, they seem to be very adept at putting 600, 1600 Asylum Seekers in place. So surely where theres a will, theres a way to take care of this matter. If we have a system that appears to be creaking at the seams or indeed is broken in the seams or indeed is broken in the terms of jails that arent fit for purpose, surely a director must be more secure and more modern prisons. More modern prisons. I dont disagree with you. What we need is some investors want some investment, some real hard cash into our prison system, into recruitment, into training. You know , this is this training. You know, this is this is sort of bread and butter stuff for prison staff. And clearly, you know, theres failings on, on, on, on wandsworth side. You know, im not going to im not going to hash around the bush here. But, you know, any investigation that happens bring that out. But happens will bring that out. But theres a failings on a lot of sides from the government down and do you think, vanessa, a one positive we could take away from the sorry saga of daniel kalief is now this kind of call to arms, this call for modernising action for more investment, arms, this call for modernising action for more investment , for action for more investment, for more recruitment, for a more robust prison system . It seems to have been an accident waiting to happen. Accident waiting to happen. Well, yes. Forgive me if im a bit sceptical on that side. Weve seen this before. Lots of talk , lots of investigations, talk, lots of investigations, lots of recommendations and very little happening. Hey vanessa frake. Well, were going to have to leave it there. I can sense your jaded cynicism. And who can blame you . Okay, thank you for that. Youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, Martin Daubney. Lots more on todays show. More coming up on todays show. But during but first, during this magnificent heat wave, lets take at todays weather. Take a look at todays weather. The temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good afternoon. My name is good afternoon. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office so its been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend. Weve got those isobars weekend. Weve got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. Fairly warm as well. South. So fairly warm as well. Weve seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout today they will slowly ease today and they will slowly ease away as we go through tonight. So leaving fairly dry night so leaving a fairly dry night for many. Theyre a bit of rain and drizzle across the far northwest, as we go into northwest, though, as we go into the early hours of sunday morning. Area of heavy morning. An area of heavy showers thunderstorms showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the southwest. All during southwest. And thats all during another humid night. So another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning, another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning , those to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales. The midlands and later on into Northern England , northern Northern England, Northern Ireland into southern ireland and into southern scotland. And they could be scotland. And they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and as well as and thunderstorms as well as some strong, gusty winds. So do some strong, gusty winds. So do keep an eye on the forecast if you out and about in these you are out and about in these areas tomorrow, it will be areas tomorrow, but it will be another day, in another warm day, especially in the south east with highs of 30 to now looking towards the new working week a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. But this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. And that changeable autumnal theme continuing as we go through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining average declining back down to average range , the temperatures rising range, the temperatures rising on boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Okay, the weather looks magnificent , okay, the weather looks magnificent, but okay, the weather looks magnificent , but weve been magnificent, but weve been asking you throughout the show today because rishi sunak in todays times was saying hes confident that the conservatives can win the next general election. We had a debate in the studio with that with Matthew Stadlen benjamin lachlan stadlen and benjamin lachlan earlier. I asked you this morning on social media for your comments and its fair to say that even amongst my Loyal Followers who are very brexity , followers who are very brexity, im basically mr red wall in terms of the people who follow me, the people who likely will win this next general election has to be sad, very downbeat about the chances of the conservatives winning. A readout, a few comments here. This one is from ratio. Watch watch ratio sunak is not liked by anyone other than his wife. Well, thats a bit harsh, but he did spend the night with her new daddy last night after being blown out by by the Prime Minister modi. Maybe thats telling of britains standing in nationally. The tories have almost zero chance of winning the next election. He will go down as the worst Prime Minister in history. He makes tony blair look in touch with the people little bit below the belt there. But perhaps fair. I also asked you how could they turn this around . Because theres been lots and lots of talk about how can the two parties look different . What are these wedge issues . Because they seem to be issues . Because they seem to be the same on taxation. They seem to be the same on open borders. They seem to be the same on net zero. And weve seen even on the front of the lorry, the loyal telegraph, their net zero obsession has fuelled inflation. And heres what somebody here called johnny dub had to say. Actually he become conservative if you want to win , you can cut if you want to win, you can cut waste, cut hs2, cut quangos , cut waste, cut hs2, cut quangos, cut non jobs cut rishi very, very harsh indeed there and donald luis says stop the boats, start mass, deport nations. No amnesty for any illegals. Delay net zero. Just be conservative again. That is something that keeps coming out and out and out. Although however , for a lot of although however, for a lot of people are saying the labour party arent much better , but party arent much better, but they dont seem to have any policy as either labour will Self Destruct , says equality Self Destruct, says equality here due to their woke messages with such classics as women can have penises. There are too many white people. Of course, that was that was mayor sadiq khan or the white couple werent representative of londoners. Representative of londoners. Lets open our borders. Big mike, whos a good, Loyal Follower of mine. I am of the opinion that we need a complete gutting of the civil service. The only way to effect any real change in this country is to remove the people in power and replace them with people who are less partisan , joe says. Not a less partisan, joe says. Not a chance. Soon he is despised by conservative voters along with hunt. So ive got to say, its been pretty bleak reading. So were now going to the news bulletin with tam. Bulletin with tam. Martin, thanks very much. Here are the headlines at 229. And were going to start with some breaking news this half houn some breaking news this half hour. Over 1000 people have died and another 1204 have been injured as rescue teams dig through the rubble after an earthquake in morocco. Cctv has captured the moment when the earthquake measuring 6. 8 magnitude struck marrakesh. The magnitude struck marrakesh. The Moroccan Army has been dispatched to aid in the search and rescue in remote areas in the atlas mountains, the epicentre of the quake. Foreign secretary James Cleverly says the uk is supporting british nationals in the country. The nationals in the country. The Prime Minister says hes very pleased terror suspect daniel khalif has been arrested after escaping from hmp wandsworth on wednesday. Rishi sunak also wednesday. Rishi sunak also praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him. The former soldier who escaped from wandsworth prison on wednesday by strapping himself to the bottom of a food delivery van. The to the bottom of a food delivery van. The 21 year old was arrested this morning in chiswick in west london and is now in police custody. The prime now in police custody. The Prime Minister says he and his Indian Counterpart Narendra Modi have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached. Rishi sunak says hes committed to reaching a trade agreement, but refused to put a deadune agreement, but refused to put a deadline on it. Mr sunak also says the g20 delegates have agreed on a joint message with very Strong Language about russias illegal war in ukraine, adding that russia is completely isolated and the psni says military grade explosives and weapons, which could have been used by dissident republicans to attack police, have been recovered. In londonderry, 16 recovered. In londonderry, 16 Police Officers have been injured after searches were carried out in the creggan area. Two men and a woman have been arrested under the terrorism act. Authorities say their main focus now is on the new ira well, you can get more on all of those stories. Just visit our website, gb news dot com. Back now to. Martin and thanks for now to. Martin and thanks for that update, tamsin. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me. Martin daubney on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your Digital Radio. Well, the 620 on your Digital Radio. Well, the g20 summit is being held in south asia for the first time with joe biden. Rishi sunak and Emmanuel Macron attending two big names. Vladimir putin from russia, of course, and chinas xi jinping arent at the summit , with representatives instead attending on their behalf. Rishi sunak has met his Indian Counterpart Narendra Modi today with trade deal talks at the top of the agenda for, well, gb news Political Editor Christopher Hopeisin Political Editor Christopher Hope is in new delhi and is joining us live now. Joining us live now. Christopher, whats the latest from new delhi . Well theres from new delhi . Well theres good news and somewhat good. Better news than yesterday when there was a meetings that didnt mr modi didnt happen with mr modi between modi mr sunak and between mr modi and mr sunak and a with Business Leaders a meeting with Business Leaders didnt because didnt happen because the lockdown during lockdown here imposed during this summit. But hes had a this g20 summit. But hes had a meeting today mr modi. Hes meeting today with mr modi. Hes been a reception that mr been a warm reception that mr sunak and mr modi, sunak Gordon Gordon and mr modi, and they had a productive conversation the conversation about the trade deal theyre sign deal theyre trying to sign between countries, the between the two countries, the uk india. The hope. Uk and india. Thats the hope. And the pm is really hoping that this might be a landmark trade deal on both businesses as well. Will uk businesses and will help both uk businesses and also the also workers. And thats the Crucial Point because india wants access for visas to wants better access for visas to come to uk and the uk wants come to the uk and the uk wants better access for businesses investing and trying to do business with india. So i think theres been some some success theres been some some success there for Prime Minister and there for the Prime Minister and hell pleased with that. Hell be pleased with that. Theres a lot of talk back in britain, of course, about the dramatic arrest of the escaped convict , dramatic arrest of the escaped convict, daniel kalief, that story is being used as an attack point by the labour shadow. The point by the labour shadow. The justice secretary. How critical do you think that is . Now, theres a sense that no matter when rishi goes looking for a good news story , domestic good news story, Domestic Affairs seem to overtake him. Chris yeah , hes always been chris yeah, hes always been dragged back by Domestic Affairs, isnt he . Martin hes had to today to us here in in new delhi. He was very pleased that daniel kalief had been caught. And thanked had been caught. And he thanked the public particularly the public and particularly the police for their prompt work in finding west london finding him in west london today. Course, today. But of course, hes trying push any any trying to push out any any political for him, saying political issue for him, saying theres by alex theres an inquiry by alex chalk, the justice chalk, whos the justice secretary, that reports secretary, and when that reports back, be issues back, there might be issues there with did this there to do with how did this individual from prison. Individual escape from prison. But hes trying to but right now, hes trying to say its not really a matter for politics much as being a delight and guys in and pleased. This guys back in back form custody. Back in some form of custody. Okay. And i think do we have a from rishi sunak . He a statement from rishi sunak . He did on this dramatic did comment on this dramatic arrest daniel cunliffe. Do arrest of daniel cunliffe. Do we have now . Have that now . Prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of Different Things with regard to the trade deal. Theres the trade deal. Know theres a desire of our parts to desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded. The opportunities are there for both countries, but there for both countries, but there lot of hard work there is a lot of hard work thats go and we need thats still to go and we need to work through that as we will do. But i think theres also opportunities for to deepen opportunities for us to deepen our relationship lots of our relationship and lots of different and different areas. And he and i talked about well, talked about that as well, whether its in defence and security, education, in security, in education, in research, sorts things as well. Sunak is keeping his tail in the air there. Chris, thank you for joining us live from new forjoining us live from new delhi at the g20. And ill be hoping some better news over coming days. Well, youre watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, Martin Daubney. Theres loads more yet coming up on todays show. Youre watching us, britains news channel, gb news. Please stay with christys on gb news. Im gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back to gb news saturday with me, Martin Daubney on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your tv online and of course on your Digital Radio. Now on to a topic that really pulls at my heartstrings. Something ive been campaigning on for donkeys years. The Prime Minister has been urged to appoint a minister for men. Yes, the new office would aim to tackle issues such as reducing male suicide and should mirror the existing minister for women. Well joining me now is Nick Fletcher, the conservative mp for don valley , conservative mp for don valley, whos the man behind the calls for this ministerial post. This new post. Nick, honestly , mate, new post. Nick, honestly, mate, no. Thanks for speaking out about this. Its something that ive been campaigning on for a long time. Lets just go through a few of the fact facts and figures, shall we, about why this ministerial post is so needed. Yeah, i mean, its terrible that 13 men a day are taking their own life. Theres 88 men a day who are dying of heart disease, 33 men a day that are dying of prostate cancen day that are dying of prostate cancer, boys are lagging behind girls at school at every single level, there are 35,004 fewer boys that are to going university this year than girls. And the population of our prisons is 96 men. I mean, if this was the other way around, thered be an absolute outcry. So i think we need someone to shine a light on this to and really do something to look after our young boys men. After our young boys and men. Nick hear, hear. To all of that. Nick hear, hear. To all of that. This is nick hear, hear. To all of that. This is Something Like i say, ive started charities. Ive been writing as a journalist on this for many years, particularly the education retainment of education and retainment of white class boys , the White Working Class boys, the demographic in britain completely abandoned politically. Theres not a single scheme out there to help these young lads the least likely to attend university. The most likely now to be out of work or training. So we agree in work or training. So we agree in principle , but are there any principle, but are there any concrete plans to do anything about it . And more to the point, nick as well, in tensioned as your motion goes on, obviously i agree. Do you expect to run into agree. Do you expect to run into any resistance . Because, of course, we have a women and equalities minister, but we dont have an equality or minister for men. Is this going to run into resistance even though the need is clearly there . 7. I . I think from what 7 i think from what weve heard this week, we can see that there is a little bit of resistance, but the majority of the emails, the majority of the calls on the radio have all been positive about this. About this. And people realise that if you have happier men, you have happier boys , then obviously we happier boys, then obviously we have happier women lives have happier women in our lives too. 5 too. A win win. Its not so its a win win. Its not an so its a win win. Its not an either or. I completely champion the women in equalities role and i completely champion Maria Caulfield in her position as minister for women. Shes doing some fantastic work women girls , and work for women and girls, and long that continue, but we long may that continue, but we do need someone to get hold of these statistics. Take a proper look at them, and join all the department together and find out what we can do to help all the young boys and all the young men and all the men within our society because were unfortunate moment in unfortunate at this moment in time. We are failing them. Time. We are failing them. Honestly, im getting nick honestly, im getting really emotional hearing you say this because ive been fighting on wicket for many years. On this wicket for many years. When International Mens day. I mean, i an ambassador for mean, i was an ambassador for that in the uk, was mocked particularly people like jess particularly by people like Jess Phillips in labour party, phillips in the labour party, rolled their eyes and to rolled their eyes and tried to stop a debate and fair play. Philip davis tory mp presenter at gb news, held that debate few years ago. Its part of the problem. The fact that the equalities and women and equalities and women and equalities minister is opposed to that shouldnt mention the word women. If we cant have a minister for men, how about we just have an equalities minister for and we look through, we look past gender, as you say, we just identify and tackle need where its needed irrespective of its male or female. Male or female. No, i dont think we should take away that. I think when you take away that. I think when you take away that. I think when you take away these words, it detracts from the role. But we just need a minister for men to put to put mens issues forward. Thank yourself for the. And i thank yourself for the work that youve done. And i do thank philip davis for the work that that he led on this. He actually took up the baton bit long before and people like long before me and people like mark brooks from mankind as well. Done awful lot well. Theyve done an awful lot of in this field. So of good work in this field. So its fantastic that ive got this position member of this position as a member of parliament to champion this. I dont to take anything away dont want to take anything away from all. All i want to from women at all. All i want to do is sure that weve got do is make sure that weve got somebody looking out for somebody who is looking out for the and in lives. The boys and men in our lives. Now, i absolutely echo now, nick, i absolutely echo that sentiment. You know, this is competition to see who is not a competition to see who is not a competition to see who is hardest done by. Instead, is the hardest done by. Instead, we should look beyond gender, look race, beyond look beyond race, look beyond sex, look beyond age, and just identify , need and deal with it. Identify, need and deal with it. And actually, mark brooks, you mentioned there a very good friend of mine. And in fact, i highlighted his charity, the man, mankind initiative, highlighted his charity, the man, is mankind initiative, highlighted his charity, the man, is forankind initiative, highlighted his charity, the man, is for a kind initiative, highlighted his charity, the man, is for a male nitiative, highlighted his charity, the man, is for a male victims, highlighted his charity, the man, is for a male victims of which is for a male victims of domestic violence. Its been forgotten , politically forgotten forgotten, politically forgotten in the media. I made a movie for bbc politics live about that. And we kept that charity flow. But it depended on a donation from member of the public. All it took to get that live was £41,000. Worth pointing out , £41,000. Worth pointing out, nick, that was the amount of money that another charity for women was paying a press officer. A huge amount of officer. Thats a huge amount of scepticism. Is there not . And theres not a lot of money in theres not a lot of money in the mens sector. How would you change that . Well, as you say, the minister for men, that could be part of their role, too. And as i say, im not ive got no issues whether thats a man or a woman, as long as we have somebody who shouting up and help charities that are help these charities that are out and theres of out there and theres lots of Good Charities that come Good Charities that have come about, recently and about, especially recently and this mans club is doing absolutely fantastic work across the country. And a lot of people the country. And a lot of people say that men dont want to talk and thats not true. Andys mans club has proved that if you an opportunity for you give an opportunity for men to and you take the help to do it and you take the help where they are, then men are quite willing to actually open, open discuss their issues open up and discuss their issues or talk to people. And through talking to people, then obviously we help people and thats what we need do. And thats what we need to do. And i dont always go for that. Money is answer to everything. Is not the answer to everything. Theres a true conservative. I believe thats what we should all be looking at. Money is not the answer. Were just an the answer. Were just need an ambassador. Just need a voice ambassador. We just need a voice and just society as and we just need society as a whole care and just think whole to care and just think twice about in our twice about the men in our lives. The man who you know, lives. Ask the man who you know, whether dad, its your whether its your dad, its your son, your partner. Son, its your partner. Weve lost him. Okay do you know what . Like i say, honestly, this. This might not seem like a big deal to you guys watching out there, but trust me, this is a big deal that we even allowed to have this conversation for many years. Such an idea as the minister for men ridiculed minister for men was ridiculed International Mens day. Well, every mens every day is International Mens day. Are born privilege and day. Men are born privilege and the just dont back that the facts just dont back that up. We said, 85 of the up. As we said, 85 of the homeless are men, 95 of prisoners are men. 75 of suicide are men. Prisoners are men. 75 of suicide are men. Id like to follow that up now with another guest, Lucy Beresford , who joins guest, Lucy Beresford, who joins us now, a broadcaster with psychotherapist lucy , weve just psychotherapist lucy, weve just heard from Nick Fletcher there and myself. You know, the great need to address mens needs in terms of your work as a psychotherapist, ive done a lot of work around this. Men tend to react or behave or inter react in a different way to women. In a different way to women. This idea of just talk, just talk more, be like, man, its not necessarily the best way forward. Theres a lot of evidence that men talk better shoulder to shoulder doing things like the mens shed movement or in Group Scenarios as opposed to one on one. What kind of ideas do you think we should be injecting into this to make that men get the help make sure that men get the help they need . Well, youve identified a really interesting dimension to this, which is the physiology of it, is that women actually it, which is that women actually release a lot of feel good hormones by general chit chat that actually its a very well known soothing mechanism, which is why women can appear to talk about absolutely nothing for hours on end. Whereas men like conversations to have purpose because they dont get the same kind of feel good release that women do. But at the same time, its very threatening. So as you say, that sense of walking alongside somebody or even in barber shops, there are therapy communities that have been set up in barber salons in this country because its recognised that men dont necessarily want to really direct approach of how are you feeling because that just feels too big, theres too much conditioning around little boys that they shouldnt cry, they shouldnt release their feelings, they shouldnt reveal that theyre vulnerable. And what that means is that when they get into adult relationship tips of whatever Sexual Orientation , often they are orientation, often they are finding it hard to open up. So it has to be almost an indirect route. And i think something route. And i think something that i have in my practise, my clinical practise is walk and talk where instead of sitting opposite your client in the very sort of traditional freudian mode that actually youre walking alongside someone in nature and actually people can open up in a completely different way when they feel that theyre not under so much pressure. And many of your pressure. And many of your viewers will probably be familiar with driving in a car with a man they can open up in a way when theyre sitting alongside you, theyre not having to look at you face to face, eye to eyeball. But actually, they are prepared to talk. They do want to open up. Its where can we provide the forums for them to do that . So as i say, it could be in cricket clubs, it be at rugby clubs, it could be at rugby clubs, it could be at rugby clubs, could be in clubs, it could be in barbershops , it could in any barbershops, it could be in any other environment where there are predominantly but you are predominantly men, but you know we also need . We need know what we also need . We need a male role a lot of different male role models. One third of primary schools dont have any male teachers or headteachers attached to them at all. So for some children who perhaps dont have a male figure in their family life , they go to School Family life, they go to school and they dont have a male figure in that life either. So we need to look more wider at how we can get good role models as opposed to the, you know, the onune as opposed to the, you know, the online role models like people like andrew tate, who set themselves up and thats a really dangerous place for some of our young teenage men. Lucy, just to cut across you there, mentioned the barber there, you mentioned the barber shop. Thats called lions shop. Thats called the lions barbers initiative. Thats barbers initiative. Thats a friend of mine, tommy chapman, does that. Theres another fantastic lads fantastic charity called lads need dads. And that precisely talks about what youre saying there positive male role models for people with absent fathers. Because lucy absent fathers through whatever reason and we have a whole conversation about the family courts being very biased about keeping fathers out of childrens lives , a system of childrens lives, a system that seems to favour mothers even when the evidence doesnt. Even when the evidence doesnt. I want to have a conversation about positive masculinity because the proof is there. If because the proof is there. If you put good men into young mens lives, you can put them on the right track. But the conversation for too long lucy has been about toxic masculinity, very feeling masculinity, the very feeling you mentioned andrew tate, who i think a parasite has no think is a parasite and has no place in mens lives, a bad role model. But lets hear it for the good men. Thats right. There ought to maybe be some award ads about the people who are really lifting young males up to actually reinforce the idea of what it means to be a man , what it means to be manly man, what it means to be manly without it needing to be about violence or misogyny or being derogatory to other members of society. That actually its society. That actually its about how do we elevate the young boys in our School System to show them the path to follow. Now, this isnt to denigrate single mums whatsoever because theyre doing the absolute best theyre doing the absolute best they can to raise their sons. But it takes a village to raise a child as someone much more famous than me, said that actually it is about a collective response. So that young teenage boys and maybe even prepubescent boys can actually have those role models that they see. People well, maybe its within dance. Maybe its within film making, maybe its within film making, maybe its within film making, maybe its within photography, maybe its within photography, maybe its within photography, maybe its within birdwatching or bell ringing, whatever it is to get these young boys into the groups. I mean, in the old days, you would think about things like scouts and the boys brigade and things like that. Theyre not so fashionable now, but actually it doesnt have to be about , you know, sleeping out in about, you know, sleeping out in about, you know, sleeping out in a tent for days on end. It can be about all sorts of other ways to capture the imagination of young boys and say, you can be anything you want, but you dont have to be. Okay, lucy, were going to have leave it there. Your have to leave it there. Your pictures breaking slightly, pictures breaking up slightly, but you so much. Cant but thank you so much. I cant tell honestly emotional tell you, honestly how emotional this has been to be able to talk about this topic. And im really chuffed is the chuffed that gb news is the channel can talk about channel where we can talk about these shout out to these things. Shout out to martin c, a friend of mine martin c, a good friend of mine whos working for whos been working on this for years, barry, the male years, john barry, the male psychology network, and also vincent mcgovern, whos fought so injustice facing so hard on the injustice facing men court system. Men in the family court system. So its just an amazing ability to be able have this to be able to have this conversation. So chuffed conversation. Im so chuffed were and im were having it and im so chuffed about being in were having it and im so chu studio out being in were having it and im so chu studio outthe ng in were having it and im so chu studio outthe magnificent the studio by the magnificent nana akua nana youre following up on the show. So afterwards, its a flat out its been its been a flat out 12 till three, of course, with that dramatic arrest of that dramatic arrest earlier of daniel whats on your Daniel Califf. Whats on your menu today . Well, course, were to well, of course, were to going talk about Daniel Califf. Have a big were going to have a big discussion about that. Im very excited to say but im very excited to say as widdecombe ba. 2. As well, Ann Widdecombe ba. 2. Yes, a of the yes, she dealt with a lot of the president s in her time in government. Will be talking to her as well, discussing all of that. Be live in the that. Shell be live in the studio. To be a studio. So thats going to be a really to have a proper really great to have a proper chat because usually its just down but this down the line. But with this prisoner i mean, prisoner escape as well, i mean, it a dastardly escape and it was a dastardly escape and a slight anti climax, to be honest. Not im glad that honest. Not that im glad that hes caught, fact hes been caught, but the fact that only a couple of that he was only a couple of miles down the road sort of thing. So but it does sort of throw a question over how he managed escape and the managed to escape and the weakness within prison weakness within our prison system prisoners are system and why prisoners are able you know, do this able to just, you know, do this kind thing. Able to just, you know, do this kinybut thing. Able to just, you know, do this kinybut theig. Able to just, you know, do this kinybut the other subject were but the other subject were going looking is going to be looking at is the weather, because it seems that no matter what weather we have here, theres always a problem. Theres leaves on the line. Were all dying. Go. Yeah, were going at that as well. Going to look at that as well. Can this country actually cope with yeah and can we . Can we . Well it makes wind. Can we . Well it makes wind. Want wind, dont we want wind, dont we . Thats about it. Well, makes wonder well, it makes you wonder because wrong kind because theres the wrong kind of leaves the wrong kind of snow, the wrong of heat, snow, the wrong kind of heat, the kind of wind, the the wrong kind of wind, the wrong sun. Wrong kind of sun. With the ozone at one point with the ozone layer, wasnt it . We had a problem with that. But that that is right. Weve had very fruitful conversation had a very fruitful conversation today rishi today on the show about rishi sunak. Obviously in delhi. Sunak. Obviously in new delhi. The isnt with him. The news isnt going with him. Hes have a positive hes trying to have a positive conversation about trade deal with of course, but this with india. Of course, but this arrest is now being weaponised with india. Of course, but this arrest ilabour eing weaponised with india. Of course, but this arrest ilabour party. Neaponised with india. Of course, but this arrest ilabour party. Neap and ad by the labour party. Law and order is going to be a huge conversation. Im fascinated to know got know what Ann Widdecombe has got to that political to say about that political context. Heres somebody whos been on the receiving end while context. Heres somebody whos be office. The receiving end while context. Heres somebody whos be office. The rece the] end while context. Heres somebody whos be office. The rece the way, while context. Heres somebody whos be office. The rece the way, shese in office. And by the way, shes also a great advocate for men and boys. Did a great thing and boys. She did a great thing about else do you about that. What else do you have . Got a bit of time to have . Weve got a bit of time to talk about. Never have talk about. Oh, well, we never have time to do this, martin. Im an artist off now. Crumbs no, but just the general that we do, general stuff that we do, obviously, the show. Joining obviously, on the show. Joining me, ive got fiddes, whos me, ive got matt fiddes, whos an entrepreneur he an entrepreneur and he did he was who was in was one of the people who was in rich house, poor house. He made a lot of money and hes been very helpful other very helpful helping other people, how to people, teaching them how to make and also, lizzie make money. And also, lizzie cundy on my cundy will be joining me on my panel cundy will be joining me on my panel. Its going quite panel. So its going to be quite a feisty but itll also be a feisty one, but itll also be a feisty one, but itll also be a lot of fun. And weve got so many things to discuss. And as usual, want people to get in usual, i want people to get in touch way and let touch in the usual way and let me their thoughts on me know their thoughts on everything discussing. Everything were discussing. Superb. And i need get on superb. And i need to get on your more often, your show a bit more often, dont your show a bit more often, dori your show a bit more often, dori need you on the 3 to 4 on sunday. Yeah. Ill liaise with your people make sure people afterwards and make sure im love your show im going. I love your show because have proper because we have a proper ding dong feisty has dong and youre feisty and has the mail column going well . Did. Well you know, yes, i did. Well do you know, thats i its funny being because i its funny that being somebody get somebody who is of colour, i get most lot of it from most abuse a lot of it from people the colour people who are the same colour as me, which is quite incredible. Think that incredible. Do you think that people are telling you what to say to do . So yeah, say and what to do . So yeah, its well. But its its going well. But its interesting that why people dont different dont accept a different perspective of somebody whos the as them, the same colour as them, but reparation a discussion reparation will be a discussion that the reparation will be a discussion that as the reparation will be a discussion that as well. The show as well. And know youve got lot and i know youve got a lot to that. Luckily to say in that. Well, luckily for has her own for you, nana has her own platform she wont afraid platform and she wont be afraid to thats coming to use it. So thats coming right akua, youve right up next. 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Weve got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. Fairly warm as well. South. So fairly warm as well. Weve some heavy showers weve seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout today and will slowly ease today and they will slowly ease away as go through tonight. Away as we go through tonight. So leaving a fairly dry night for many , though, bit rain for many, though, a bit of rain and drizzle the far and drizzle across the far northwest though, as we northwest coast, though, as we go early hours go into the early hours of sunday area of heavy sunday morning. An area of heavy showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the south west. Thats all south west. And thats all dunng south west. And thats all during and humid during another warm and humid night. So to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales , the midlands and later on wales, the midlands and later on into Northern England, Northern Ireland and into southern scotland. And they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong , gusty winds. So do some strong, gusty winds. So do keep an eye on the forecast if you out about in these you are out and about in these areas it will be areas tomorrow. But it will be another warm day, especially in the with highs of 30 the south east with highs of 30 to. Looking towards the new to. Now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist, to. Now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist , fog working week, a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. But area of rain start. But this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way east, south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well, developing just ahead of that. 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Well be debating, and at debating, discussing, and at times disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancellede , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancelled. , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancelled. Sort no one will be cancelled. So joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, an entrepreneur , matt cundy, an entrepreneur, matt fiddes, in a few moments time, ill be mucking the week with Comedian Louis schaffer. But before we get started, lets get your latest news headlines
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