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The host, Hugh Bonneville says its going to Hugh Bonneville says its going re re Hugh Bonneville says its going re be e Hugh Bonneville says its going re be a gear Hugh Bonneville says its going to be a great night. Hugh bonneville says its going to be a great night. Rzrrz; e� iiil to be a great night. There are so many to be a great night. There are so many standout moments from what ive seen. Theres a beautiful poem composed especially for the event. Theres a remarkable finale , theres a remarkable finale, both visually and aurally and some astonishing pop performances along the way. And as well as classical performances from Andrea Bocelli and sir bryn terfel. So i think there really is something for everyone tonight. Its going to be magical Amnesty International says the metropolitan police may have misused new powers after 52 people were arrested. Ahead of the coronation rirziizi ahead of the coronation yesterday. The force the coronation yesterday. 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But the chief executive of anti Monarchy Group rennie, executive of anti Monarchy Group republic, graeme executive of anti Monarchy Group republic, graeme smith, was held for neerw republic, graeme smith, was held for neerw re republic, graeme smith, was held for nearly 16 hours republic, graeme smith, was held for nearly 16 hours and he earne for nearly 16 hours and he claims theres for nearly 16 hours and he claims theres no longer a right to claims theres no longer a right re prereer claims theres no longer a right re prereer in claims theres no longer a right to protest in the claims theres no longer a right to protest in the uk after the runne to protest in the uk after the public order to protest in the uk after the public order bill to protest in the uk after the public order bill was passed earner public order bill was passed earlier this public order bill was passed earlier this year public order bill was passed earlier this year. Youre up to were earlier this year. Youre up to were on earlier this year. Youre up to were en en earlier this year. Youre up to date on gb news earlier this year. Youre up to date on gb news now. Its time for free date on gb news now. Its time for free speech date on gb news now. Its time for free speech nation. For free speech nation. Rrsrs for free speech nation. Ipsis anti monarchy acts are erreereu ipsis anti monarchy acts are erreereu er ipsis anti monarchy acts are arrested at the ipsis anti monarchy acts are arrested at the coronation, a comedy arrested at the coronation, a comedy crun arrested at the coronation, a comedy club no arrested at the coronation, a comedy club no platforms. comedy club no platforms. A leading comedy club no platforms. A reading sur comedy club no platforms. A leading snp politician an and a cartoon dog is fat shamed. This is free speech nation. Welcome is free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle on tonights show, the comedy legend john cleese will be joining me to discuss his career and why monty python and Fawlty Towers were not universally well received at first. Ill be entering the minefield that is covid 19 vaccine safety and efficacy. As fraser myers and the mp andrew bridgen settle a score, an attempt to settle the science once and for all. Also, after the stand, comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician joanna cherry will be speaking to the poet jenny lindsay, who is also being targeted by activists for her gender critical views. Ive got a lovely studio guest tonight. Ive got bruce devlin and steve allen. Welcome both and bruce , allen. Welcome both and bruce, of course, youre youre down from scotland for the weekend, so you must have caught the coronation well, i caught the inn coronation well, i caught the vou coronation well, i caught the rain. You did . Coronation well, i caught the rain. You did . 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And he went for what i was procession route . And he went for what i was like, oh, there erner for what i was like, oh, there were other things for what i was like, oh, there were other things going on. Men were other things going on. Thereorigami were other things going on. Thereorigami convention. There was an origami convention. Yeah, yeah. Finger yeah, exactly. Yeah. Finger knitting, finger knitting, macrame. Much into macrame. Youre very much into that now, are you, steve . Did you watch the coronation . I watched it. Imean, you watch the coronation . I watched it. I mean, the watched most of it. I mean, the bits watched most of it. I mean, the wire rner watched most of it. I mean, the we run r watched most of it. I mean, the bits that i didnt watched most of it. I mean, the bits that i didnt see, f c imean, the bits that i didnt see, theyll do bits that i didnt see, theyll ue erenne bits that i didnt see, theyll ue erenne orl do highlights on stamps or rnrnee sel do highlights on stamps or hinge so things, werent they . So i can weren things, werent they . So i can watch ir things, werent they . So i can watch it run things, werent they . So i can watch it that way. Exactly. Yeah. I watch it that way. Exactly. Yeah. I wouldnt worry about it. And weve got a lovely studio audience as here, lets and weve got a lovely studio aud some as here, lets and weve got a lovely studio audsome questionsere, lets and weve got a lovely studio audsome questionsere, them. And weve got a lovely studio aud some questionsere, them. So get some questions from them. So our first question is coming from where is david . From david. Where is david . Davids here. Hello, david. Thank much. Is thank you very much. Is the run thank you very much. Is the nenr re thank you very much. Is the right to protest thank you very much. Is the right to protest optional right to protest now an optional exrree right to protest now an optional exrree okay. Right to protest now an optional extra . Okay, david, right to protest now an optional extra . Jrim r g extra . Okay, david, being contentious start. Contentious from the start. There we go. This is, of course, members public who are members of the public who are arrested yesterday. And this is scotland being scotland yard, of course, being accused alarming, accused of being a bit alarming, accused of being a bit alarming, a handed. Are a bit heavy handed. These are new powers arrest, steve. So new powers of arrest, steve. So these just came just a couple these just came in just a couple of ago. These what of days ago. And these what i thought when i saw the images, it was a bit disturbing because there people there were just people with placards, but they hadnt done anything. 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When it comes to reparations for thee when it comes to reparations for they , when it comes to reparations for they , te when it comes to reparations for etewew , he he when it comes to reparations for slavery , is an apology ever slavery, is an apology ever going slavery, is an apology ever going te slavery, is an apology ever going to he slavery, is an apology ever going to be enough . T tit; going to be enough . Yes. So this is relating to the royal family as well because earlier this week aboriginal olympian nova peris said change begins with listening. She joined other voices from across the commonwealth to demand that king charles iii, makes a formal apology for the effects of british colonialism. I find this very confusing, steve, because, you know, ultimately arnie you would would big surprise would it would be a big surprise to me if aristocrats from this country, from many hundreds of years ago werent some way years ago werent in some way complicit slave trade. 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And he was all badly behaved and wouldnt pay etteettee attention and stuff and i theweht attention and stuff and i thought, oof, attention and stuff and i thought, oof, good for you. Wett thought, oof, good for you. Welltjim thought, oof, good for you. Welltjim t thought, oof, good for you. | well,jim. I know well, i have a jim. I know weete well, i have a jim. I know werethe. Well, i have a jim. I know youre five, come youre only five, but come on, i havent been paying havent really been paying attention next attention to the next generation. He stuck tongue generation. He stuck his tongue outt generation. He stuck his tongue ewt, t generation. He stuck his tongue ewt, t thtet generation. He stuck his tongue ewt, t thtet te generation. He stuck his tongue out, i think is he . Gti tit he stuck his tongue out, i think is he . Yeah. Oh, yeah. Out, i think is he . Yeah. Oh, yeah. N0, out, i think is he . Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, he out, i think is he . Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, he means business. Teet isnt that treason . Probably not. Can you be not. Count treason can you be treasonous if youre one of the family . Course. Sticking family . Of course. Sticking out your yeah. Not sure. I your tongue. Yeah. Not sure. I think can. Mean,i your tongue. Yeah. Not sure. I think can. Mean, i think think you can. I mean, i think the way theyre harry the way theyre treating harry is harry is its funny with harry because, you know, when he was sitting pews, he was sitting in the pews, he was stuck princess annes stuck behind princess annes feather. Had feathery cap, feather. He had a feathery cap, and almost deliberately and theyd almost deliberately positioned and theyd almost deliberately positioneccap obscure his feathered cap would obscure his ginger that was ginger face. I think that was the wasnt it, ginger the point, wasnt it, ginger face . His hairs ginger, face . It is his hairs ginger, not his face. Yeah, well, okay. I being poetic. Thats i was just being poetic. 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So if harry and meghan turn wethee te hat. So if harry and meghan turn up,them in front hat. So if harry and meghan turn up,them in front of. Up, just stick them in front of thee. Up, just stick them in front of thee. Thete up, just stick them in front of them. There. Go. Up, just stick them in front of them. There. Go. Problem them. Then. There we go. Problem solved. Well, look, going them. Then. There we go. Problem solwereiell, look, going them. Then. There we go. Problem solwere going ok, going them. Then. There we go. Problem solwere going to. Going them. Then. There we go. Problem solwere going to go going them. Then. There we go. Problem solwere going to go away ing them. Then. There we go. Problem solwere going to go away for| to. Were going to go away for just a few minutes. Weve got the that john cleese, just a few minutes. Weve got the going hat john cleese, just a few minutes. Weve got the going to john cleese, just a few minutes. Weve got the going to joining eese, just a few minutes. Weve got the going to joining us e, just a few minutes. Weve got the going to joining us in whos going to be joining us in the to discuss why monty the studio to discuss why monty python wasnt everyones cup of tea. Front row. Some members of the eehteet front row. Some members of the eehteet ee front row. Some members of the cabinet are sat front row. Some members of the cabinet are sat further back the cabinet are sat further back the eeeee cabinet are sat further back live across the cabinet are sat further back live across the uk this. Live across the uk this. |weteehe live across the uk this. Welcome back live across the uk this. L welcome back to live across the uk this. Welcome back to free live across the uk this. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation doyle. Nation with me andrew doyle. Now my first guest tonight needs no introduction now my first guest tonight needs no introduction wont no introduction so i wont tether no introduction so i wont botherone. No introduction so i wont bother one. John bother with one. Its john cteeee bother with one. Its john cteeee. Bother with one. Its john cleese. John bother with one. Its john cleese. John welcome back. Cleese. John welcome back. Tewetw cleese. John welcome back. Lovely thrilled cleese. John welcome back. Lovely thrilled to cleese. John welcome back. Lovely thrilled to have cleese. John welcome back. Lovely thrilled to have you back again. And of course, were wetttee again. And of course, were wetttee ee again. And of course, were working ee e again. And of course, were working on a show 3g; and of course, were working on a show together at the eeeeet working on a show together at the moment, which is fantastic. Hee the moment, which is fantastic. We the the moment, which is fantastic. Hes the producer. The moment, which is fantastic. Hes the producer. Yeah. Would you hes the producer. Yeah. Would wee aet hes the producer. Yeah. Would you and hee hes the producer. Yeah. Would you and hes half. Hes the producer. Yeah. Would. You and hes half my you believe it . And hes half my age. You believe it . And hes half my age. Teet you believe it . And hes half my age teet thet you believe it . And hes half my age. Isnt that lovely . You believe it . And hes half my age. Isnt that lovely . I you believe it . And hes half my age. C 7 age. Isnt that lovely . I wanted to talk to you, though, about. Well, lets start with the coronation. Well, lets start with the coronation. Did you watch it . Ott coronation. Did you watch it . We wee coronation. Did you watch it . Htt wee eetew coronation. Did you watch it . Did you enjoy it . Coronation. Did you watch it . Did you enjoy it . � ftt� ticc c did you enjoy it . Well, its a ttttte did you enjoy it . Well, its a little embarrassing, but it is also kind of funny. This is absolutely true. My wife, known absolutely true. My wife, known as the fish, because she swims like a fish , watches television, like a fish, watches television, although she gets into bed with all the cushions and the all the cushions and all the cats got have all three cats cats got to have all three cats there. Then she watches and she said, come on, come in and watch. And i in. Sat on watch. And i went in. I sat on the bed, lay down, and sort of the bed, lay down, and i sort of looked the screen and i lost looked at the screen and i lost it. As looked at the screen and i lost it. As in i looked at the screen and i lost it. As in i laughed. I looked at the screen and i lost it. As in i laughed. I couldnt it. As in i laughed. I couldnt stop laughing. This is stop laughing. This is absolutely so what did you find funny about it . Well, i just teetet funny about it . Well, i just teetet et funny about it . Well, i just looked at it. Funny about it . Well, i just looked at it. All funny about it . Well, i just looked at it. All these people in these silly costumes and all taking everything so seriously, i thought, its a python sketch. Once i realised that it was a python sketch, i could not stop laughing. I wasnt laughing at laughing. I wasnt laughing at any of the people because they were all playing their parts really well, you know . But i just its so silly. Thats true. Just its so silly. Thats true. Twee just its so silly. Thats true. Twee eew just its so silly. Thats true. Twee eet just its so silly. Thats true. Every now and then c thats true. Every now and then you just eeteh every now and then you just eeteh e every now and then you just catch a glimpse every now and then you just catch a glimpse of tradition. Why catch a glimpse of tradition. Whw te catch a glimpse of tradition. Whw te we catch a glimpse of tradition. Whw te we te catch a glimpse of tradition. Why do we do the things we do . Its why do we do the things we do . Tte tweete why do we do the things we do . We there t why do we do the things we do . Its bizarre. I dont why do we do the things we do . Its bizarre. I dont know why we te its bizarre. I dont know why we te ht. Its bizarre. I dont know why we te tt. Its bizarre. I dont know why we do it. And its bizarre. I dont know why we do it. And i its bizarre. I dont know why we do it. t we do it. And i know its wonderful that theres crown. Wonderful that theres a crown. Yes, that been , i yes, you know that its been, i dont know, put on peoples heads for 800 years or that kind of notice of thing. But did you notice that marvellous man, justin , the that marvellous man, justin, the archbishop of canterbury , who i archbishop of canterbury, who i met two weeks ago, and i think hes one of the best human beings ive ever met. He should have practised putting the crown on you, remember . Do you . This proves it is. He needed a spirit tewet. Proves it is. He needed a spirit tewet. Teettwe proves it is. He needed a spirit level. Really . Yeah. Proves it is. He needed a spirit level. Really . Yeah. I c he needed a spirit level. Really . Yeah. I mean, it is level. Really . Yeah. I mean, it he tttttewtt level. Really . Yeah. I mean, it is difficult. John level. Really . Yeah. I mean, it is difficult. John speaking of meet is difficult. John speaking of theetw ewthee is difficult. John speaking of monty python, now you said an teteteettee monty python, now you said an interesting thing monty python, now you said an interesting thing to me, which i was absolutely interesting thing to me, which i was absolutely fascinated by is thet was absolutely fascinated by is that whee was absolutely fascinated by is that whee wee was absolutely fascinated by is that when you initially pitched theetw that when you initially pitched weetwwew that when you initially pitched weetwwew eett that when you initially pitched monty you sort of went monty python, you sort of went in monty python, you sort of went te wtthewt monty python, you sort of went in without quite monty python, you sort of went in without quite knowing what it was in without quite knowing what it weete in without quite knowing what it weete he. In without quite knowing what it wasto be. This in without quite knowing what it wasto be. This is in without quite knowing what it was to be. I was going to be. This is whats so about so interesting about our business that people always business is that people always assume something was assume that if something was successful, it was always going to be successful. Yes. And its completely untrue. But anyway, thats true. Chapman and i, he thats true. Chapman and i, he was studying for medicine and i just married connie booth and didnt want to be out of the house all the time for the first yearin house all the time for the first year in london for her. So i was writing with him all the time. We used to watch this very funny kids show called do not adjust your set , kids show called do not adjust your set, david. Jason was in it, but also palin and jones and eric idle and terry gilliam. And eric idle and terry gilliam. And we used to watch it and wed met her because we all worked for frosty, of course, and one day i said to graham, why dont we do a show with these guys . And we rang them up and they said, yeah, all right. And went to yeah, all right. And we went to a man called barry tucker who used write with used to write with marty feldman, he fixed a meeting feldman, and he fixed a meeting for us and we went to in see the head light entertainment, who head of light entertainment, who was mills , and we knew was michael mills, and we knew michael a little bit. And he sat down and he said, i gather you guys would like to do a series. And we said, yes, we would. And he said, well, what do you propose doing . And there was a propose doing . And there was a silence because we hadnt discussed it. Can you believe discussed it. Can you believe that . So did you just wing it, just sort of make it up . Yeah, well, it was on c c. It7 yeah, well, it was on embarrassing. Well, it was on embarrassing. We ethe well, it was on embarrassing. We eett. Wett well, it was on embarrassing. We said, well, we well, it was on embarrassing. We said, well, we thought wed do a comedy show with humorous things in it and jokes, jokes and quite radical to make people laugh. He said, well, youre going to have guest stars. And we said , are we are we going to we said, are we are we going to have this . He said, well, what about music . We said, we havent really thought about music. And yet offered you the really thought about music. And yetoffered you the well, yet offered you the well, he yet he offered you the well, he teetet yet he offered you the well, he teetet et yet he offered you the well, he teetet at we yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and i yet he offered you the well, he looked at us and i thought, this is looked at us and i thought, this he the looked at us and i thought, this he the meet looked at us and i thought, this is the most embarrassing thing twe is the most embarrassing thing twelteee is the most embarrassing thing tweteee. Is the most embarrassing thing ivedone. This is the most embarrassing thing ivedone. This is is the most embarrassing thing ive done. I ive ever done. This is the most important in my important person in my professional life. I make professional life. And i make a complete of it. And he complete fool of it. And he looked and he said, oh, go looked at us and he said, oh, go away and make 13 programmes. Breathtaking i mean, thats never happened in the history of television that a guy has commissioned 13, not a pilot, but 13 programmes without having the slightest idea what he was going to get. It wouldnt going to get. It wouldnt happen. The going to get. It wouldnt happen. The people knowing the slightest idea of what they were going to be doing, it wouldnt happen today, would it . Of course it wouldnt have sort of. Well, nearest thing is our well, the nearest thing is our series because came series. Yes, because they came along and they said to me, were kgb news. 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But of course, it all happened because of naughty happened because of a naughty thing said, because thing that eric said, because after the success of holy grail , we were having an Indian Restaurant with a journalist and he said , what are you going to he said, what are you going to do you next . Whats and eric, whe do you next . Whats and eric, whe hatet do you next . Whats and eric, who hadnt talked t tit tixi whats and eric, who hadnt talked about it with any who hadnt talked about it with eew et who hadnt talked about it with eew et we who hadnt talked about it with we et eate who hadnt talked about it with any of us, said, were going to hete any of us, said, were going to mete e any of us, said, were going to mete e ttte any of us, said, were going to make a film called jesus christ teet make a film called jesus christ teet tet make a film called jesus christ teet tee etew make a film called jesus christ teet tee etew. Make a film called jesus christ lust for glory. 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They failed everythe to reproduce it in america. They failed every the time failed every time. The last time i i failed every time. The last time t t bumpedl i hadnt been told, i bumped hete i hadnt been told, i bumped tete ee i hadnt been told, i bumped into some people they said, into some people and they said, oh, into some people and they said, eh wee into some people and they said, oh. Wee weee into some people and they said, oh, you john cleese. We just heeght oh, you john cleese. We just heeght the oh, you john cleese. We just bought the rights to make fawlty tee bought the rights to make fawlty tee te bought the rights to make fawlty tee te te bought the rights to make Fawlty Towers in in in bought the rights to make Fawlty Towers in in in america. And i eete towers in in in america. And i sgt. Towers in in in america. And i eett. Chee towers in in in america. And i said , ching, ching, you know, oh said, ching, ching, you know, oh. Eet said, ching, ching, you know, oh. 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T hey and i said, well, whats that . | thew heett they said, weve written basil out they said, weve written basil eet. They said, weve written basil eet. At they said, weve written basil out. At aukus they said, weve written basil out. At aukus. They said, weve written basil out. At aukus. Absolutely true. Out. At aukus. Absolutely true. Teet out. At aukus. Absolutely true. We treet out. At aukus. Absolutely true. Test test the out. At aukus. Absolutely true. Just trust the creatives. Out. At aukus. Absolutely true. Just trust the creatives. I just trust the creatives. I think thats the way. John, we are out of time, but thanks so much for coming on today. I know youre not going. Oh, well, i youre not going. Oh, well, i wish youre not going. Oh, well, i wteh wee youre not going. Oh, well, i wish you could. Youre not going. Oh, well, i wish you could. Sorry, youre not going. Oh, well, i wish you could. Sorry, im not going. I like this lot. I wish it could just be going. I like this lot. I wish it could just be you going. I like this lot. I wish it could just be you for git g c i wish it could just be you for the whete it could just be you for the whole show. It could just be you for the whole show. But it cant be, unfortunately. Whole show. But it cant be, unfortunately. But coming up on mee unfortunately. But coming up on tree speech unfortunately. But coming up on free speech nation, after the eetee free speech nation, after the spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te te spiked columnist fraser myers is twteg te te e spiked columnist fraser myers is trying to do a serious link here. Trying to do a serious link hee hee trying to do a serious link here. John fraser myers called out here. John fraser myers called eet wh here. John fraser myers called out mp andrew here. John fraser myers called out mp andrew bridgen for his eeteteee out mp andrew bridgen for his eeteteee ee out mp andrew bridgen for his opinions on the out mp andrew bridgen for his opinions on the safety of the cowh opinions on the safety of the town tet opinions on the safety of the covid 19 vaccine. Opinions on the safety of the covid 19 vaccine. The two of them covid 19 vaccine. The two of them ee covid 19 vaccine. The two of them geteg covid 19 vaccine. The two of them are going to go to head to heed them are going to go to head to heed hete them are going to go to head to heed hete te them are going to go to head to head here in the them are going to go to head to head here in the studio. Dont go head here in the studio. Dont ge eewwhete head here in the studio. Dont ge eewwhete. Head here in the studio. Dont go anywhere. Okay tuc rational debate. Weve got to work out how britain moves forward from this. Join us. Forward from this. Join us. Here welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. So nation with me andrew doyle. So later in the show, im going tectit t t so later in the show, im going to be later in the show, im going to he temteg later in the show, im going to he temteg egeew later in the show, im going to be turning agony uncle with the hete be turning agony uncle with the hete et be turning agony uncle with the hete et mw be turning agony uncle with the help of my wonderful panel. Teete help of my wonderful panel. Bruce devlin help of my wonderful panel. Bruce devlin and steve n allen. Tet bruce devlin and steve n allen. The were bruce devlin and steve n allen. Tee geteg bruce devlin and steve n allen. And were going to bruce devlin and steve n allen. And were going to help you deal wtth and were going to help you deal withunfiltered and were going to help you deal with unfiltered dilemmas. And were going to help you deal with you unfiltered dilemmas. And were going to help you deal with you unfiltereproblems as. And were going to help you deal with you unfiltereproblems at have you got any problems at eth have you got any problems at all . However have you got any problems at all . However personal doesnt mettee all . However personal doesnt matter. Squeamish. Matter. Were not squeamish. Weet matter. Were not squeamish. Weetet just email us at gbviews gbnews. Uk. Well just email us at gbviews gbnews. Uk. Well do our tewet gbviews gbnews. Uk. Well do our tewet teet gbviews gbnews. Uk. Well do our tewet heet te gbviews gbnews. Uk. Well do our level best to answer all of your te level best to answer all of your issues. Is there level best to answer all of your issues. Is there was level best to answer all of your issues. Is there was a time in hteteew issues. Is there was a time in htetew whee issues. Is there was a time in history when the issues. Is there was a time in history when the term anti vaxxer history when the term anti vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe anti vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe e anti vaxxer or the phrase gone tewe e tehhtt anti vaxxer or the phrase gone down a rabbit hole were eeeetgeet down a rabbit hole were consigned mainly to websites tetteetet consigned mainly to websites dedicated to consigned mainly to websites dedicated to conspiracy theehee dedicated to conspiracy theories. But dedicated to conspiracy theories. But since the eeetemte theories. But since the pandemic, an entire community of teeth pandemic, an entire community of eeeete whe pandemic, an entire community of eeeete whethe pandemic, an entire community of people who the efficacy people who doubt the efficacy eet people who doubt the efficacy eetet people who doubt the efficacy eetet the people who doubt the efficacy andof the covm people who doubt the efficacy and of the covid 19 and safety of the covid 19 vaccine has and safety of the covid 19 vaccine has emerged. They point vaccine has emerged. They point to vaccine has emerged. They point teeteeet vaccine has emerged. They point toaround vaccine vaccine has emerged. They point to around vaccine harms to to data around vaccine harms to etteegthee to data around vaccine harms to strengthen their to data around vaccine harms to strengthen their calls for an tegetw strengthen their calls for an tegetw hete strengthen their calls for an inquiry into the strengthen their calls for an inquiry into the role. 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Now, earlier this has been exaggerated. Now, earlier this week, spiked columnist earlier this week, spiked columnist fraser myers entered the etgemeet columnist fraser myers entered the argument with article the argument with an article eettttet the argument with an article entitled the the argument with an article entitled the delusions of andrew hetgee entitled the delusions of andrew bridgen, referring entitled the delusions of andrew bridgen, referring to the mp who was bridgen, referring to the mp who expelled bridgen, referring to the mp who was expelled the was expelled from the conservative was expelled from the conservative party for he conservative party for what he eettet conservative party for what he calledconcerns conservative party for what he called concerns about called raising concerns about eetetw. Called raising concerns about vaccine safety. Im absolutely tettghtet vaccine safety. Im absolutely tettghtet te vaccine safety. Im absolutely delighted to welcome both andrew hetgee delighted to welcome both andrew hetgee eet delighted to welcome both andrew bridgen and fraser delighted to welcome both andrew bridgen and fraser myers to free speech bridgen and fraser myers to free seeeeh wettee bridgen and fraser myers to free seeeeh wettee. Bridgen and fraser myers to free speech nation. Thank you both. Speech nation. Thank you both. The speech nation. Thank you both. The meet speech nation. Thank you both. The theet wee speech nation. Thank you both. And thank you both ever so much for and thank you both ever so much tee eemteg. And thank you both ever so much tee eemteg. Tet and thank you both ever so much for coming. And particularly heeeee for coming. And particularly heeeee t for coming. And particularly because i think for coming. And particularly because i think its very ttttteett. Because i think its very difficult. It because i think its very difficult. It takes lot of difficult. It takes a lot of tetegetw difficult. It takes a lot of tetegetw te difficult. It takes a lot of integrity to face your critics integrity to face your critics he the integrity to face your critics in the flesh, integrity to face your critics in the flesh, but integrity to face your critics in the flesh, but also to face theee in the flesh, but also to face theee whe in the flesh, but also to face those who you in the flesh, but also to face those who you have criticised in the tte the flesh. And i think its teettw the flesh. And i think its teettwweehel the flesh. And i think its. Really youre both really great that youre both here. Really great that youre both here ceme really great that youre both here. Come toi really great that youre both i here. Come to you here. Im going to come to you met here. Im going to come to you met. Theee here. Im going to come to you first, fraser, because wrote first, fraser, because you wrote the wteh. First, fraser, because you wrote the miall. Can the article luke miall. Can you tett htt the article luke miall. Can you tellbit about the article luke miall. Can you tellbit about the. Tell us a little bit about the etttete tell us a little bit about the etttetewhw tell us a little bit about the articlewhy you tell us a little bit about the article why you felt you article and why you felt you meet article and why you felt you eeetet te article and why you felt you needed to write article and why you felt you needed to write it . Yeah. So twe needed to write it . Yeah. So the tet needed to write it . Yeah. So twe tet tee needed to write it . Yeah. So ive for for, a. Ive been worried for for, a while the of while about the rise of anti vaccine conspiracy theorists. A while at theorists. And for a while at least, it seemed as if this was just thing on the internet. Just a thing on the internet. You you could ignore you know, maybe you could ignore it. A bit harmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A a bit harmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A lot a bit harmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A lot of a bit harmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A lot of aa bit harmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A lot of a fringe, rmless. You know, maybe you could ignore it. A lot of a fringe, butass. Just a lot of a fringe, but a very vocal fringe. But now we have mp among that ranks. Have an mp among that ranks. Thats saying thats andrew bridgen saying right say hes thats andrew bridgen saying righ raising say hes thats andrew bridgen saying righraising concerns say hes thats andrew bridgen saying righraising concerns about hes just raising concerns about vaccine say hes vaccine safety. Hell say hes just asking questions that others darent ask, but actually , you a of what he , you know, a lot of what he says really, really says is really, really indefensible. Instance , indefensible. So for instance, he has compared the vaccine rollout to a crime against humanity , possibly the worst humanity, possibly the worst since holocaust. But he has since the holocaust. But he has said that the pandemic is planned. He said that the virus and the vaccine were developed in by the United States department of defence and that we can soon expect our politicians and medical officials to be arrested. He said that the vaccine harms are so bad that they are the cause of the majority of excess deaths in the uk. Now that would mean that theyre more dangerous than covid, more dangerous than the 7 million long nhs waiting list. Now if those arent vaccine anti vax conspiracy theories, then i dont know what is. Well, lets ask andrew bridgen htmeett. Well, lets ask andrew bridgen himself. What well, lets ask andrew bridgen himself. What do well, lets ask andrew bridgen himself. What do you make of thet himself. What do you make of thet eeeettte himself. What do you make of that specific those specific ettegetteee that specific those specific allegations as that specific those specific allegations as guilty, as ehetget allegations as guilty, as chargedive allegations as guilty, as charged ive the allegations as guilty, as chargedivethe science charged and ive got the science thet charged and ive got the science thetett charged and ive got the science thatalllthat charged and ive got the science thatalllthat up. L that will back all of that up. Whet that will back all of that up. Whet te that will back all of that up. Whet to we that will back all of that up. What do we know that will back all of that up. What do we know about that will back all of that up. What do we know about the vaccine rollout . That theres vaccine rollout . That theres more yellow card reports of harms from the vaccines for the last 40 years . Figures from florida. For 1,600 increase in florida. For 1,600 increase in reports of vaccine side effects and the rollout of the covid 19 vaccines is only a 400 increase in vaccinated nation. 400 in vaccinated nation. 400 doesnt go into 16. Its just not how its going to work. So andrew andrew, four times the four times the problems with these vaccines , theyve never these vaccines, theyve never gone through phase three trials. They experiment all and we they are experiment all and we were rolling them out to children in theres children children in theres no children , healthy children, Young Children have ever died of covid. But there is a clear side effects from the vaccines. Why are doing fraser . Is it are we doing this . Fraser . Is it are we doing this . Fraser . Is it are these experimental . Are we doing this . Fraser . Is it are these experimental . No, thewte are these experimental . No, theyre eet are these experimental . No, theyre not experimental. Theyre gene therapy either, theyre not gene therapy either, which common thing which is like a common thing that anti vax. Yeah, theyre not that anti vax. Yeah, theyre not because they actually because they dont actually alter peoples dna, theyre alter peoples dna, so theyre not as gene therapy. Not classed as gene therapy. Theyre because theyre not experimental because they clinical they have gone through clinical trials. Phase three trials trials. The phase three trials have concluded. So its just not youre not denying that people have effects. All have had adverse effects. All medicines have side effects. And medicines have side effects. And no medicine is entirely 100 effective. But what were talking about here is you know, you point to say, for instance, lets talk about the yellow card scheme, instance. This a scheme, for instance. This is a way people reporting the way of people reporting the Adverse Reactions theyve had from. Now, the from the vaccine. Now, the implication andrew is that implication from andrew is that this is a crime against humanity, that people are humanity, that these people are practically door. Practically at deaths door. Actually, vast majority of actually, the vast majority of these are to do with these reports are to do with people having sore arms , people people having sore arms, people feeling feeling feeling dizzy, people feeling nauseous kind of thing nauseous, not the kind of thing that to have long term that is going to have long term Adverse Health impacts. So, andrew, you make just to andrew, what do you make just to bnng andrew, what do you make just to bring in grossly bring you in so grossly exaggerated . Do take the exaggerated . Do you take the three exaggerated . Do you take the theeethet exaggerated . Do you take the. Phrase that sometimes phrase this point that sometimes theee phrase this point that sometimes theee thtege phrase this point that sometimes these things are phrase this point that sometimes these things are conflated . You thew. These things are conflated . You thewherme these things are conflated . You know,harmsare these things are conflated . You know, harms are lesser know, the harms that are lesser eet mete know, the harms that are lesser| and the harms that are more so thewte ttege theyre just normal drugs like all theyre just normal drugs like ettethete theyre just normal drugs like all others, theyve been all the others, and theyve been tettw thet all the others, and theyve been fully that case, all the others, and theyve been fully that case, whyi fully tested. In that case, why do vaccine manufacturers do the vaccine manufacturers acquire from the acquire full immunity from the harms their products may harms that their products may cause before theyll release them . India is very shortly going to be the largest population in world, the population in the world, the biggest for market drugs in the world. And pfizer have never rolled out any of their vaccine, their experimental vaccines in india, because the Indian Government wont them government wont give them immunity prosecution immunity from prosecution for the they these are not new the harms they these are not new drugs. Theyve been now rolled out for over two years. Billions and billions of doses have gone out. Still require that out. But they still require that immunity from prosecution in how can safe . Fraser well, can they be safe . Fraser well, as can they be safe . Fraser well, ee wee can they be safe . Fraser well, ee wee eew can they be safe . Fraser well, ee wee eew. Can they be safe . Fraser well, ee wee eew. Wee ti . 7 fraser well, as you say , yes, theyve been as you say, yes, theyve been heteg as you say, yes, theyve been heteg tettet as you say, yes, theyve been being rolled out as you say, yes, theyve been being rolled out over past being rolled out over the past twe being rolled out over the past tee teet being rolled out over the pastj two just havent two years and we just havent eewthteg two years and we just havent seen anything like the scale of heme seen anything like the scale of hemeweee seen anything like the scale of harms youre talking harms that youre talking about. The harms that youre talking about. And conversely harms that youre talking about. And conversely , harms that youre talking about. And conversely , we have seen and conversely, we have seen thet and conversely, we have seen thet thew and conversely, we have seen that they have and conversely, we have seen that they have lives. That they have saved lives. I teet that they have saved lives. I mean, back in that they have saved lives. I mean, back in 2021 when the tetteet mean, back in 2021 when the tetteet wee mean, back in 2021 when the rollout was getting underway, vou rollout was getting underway, wee teete rollout was getting underway, wee eeett eee rollout was getting underway, you could see how these vaccines eemetetetw you could see how these vaccines completely severed you could see how these vaccines completely severed the link hetweee completely severed the link between covm completely severed the link between covid cases and covid teethe between covid cases and covid teethe. T between covid cases and covid deaths. I mean, between covid cases and covid deaths. I mean, it between covid cases and covid deaths. I mean, it was just undeniable deaths. I mean, it was just undeniable. Deaths. I mean, it was just undeniable. So deaths. I mean, it was just undeniable. So i find it really, undeniable. So i find it really, teettw undeniable. So i find it really, really disturbing undeniable. So i find it really, really disturbing that someone can really disturbing that someone tete really disturbing that someone can take something as brilliant as can take something as brilliant ee teewl as these vaccines. You know, the as these vaccines. You know, thisincredibly as these vaccines. You know, this incredibly all human this is incredibly all human eeteetttte this is incredibly all human scientific andl Scientific Achievement and heeteettw Scientific Achievement and basically trash Scientific Achievement and basically trash them as evil as part basically trash them as evil as eett et basically trash them as evil as eett et eeme basically trash them as evil as part of some kind basically trash them as evil as part of some kind of plot. I part of some kind of plot. I teet part of some kind of plot. I teet thew part of some kind of plot. I dont know whether you think its dont know whether you think he te dont know whether you think he te mete dont know whether you think its to make money. Too much meeew tetei its to make money. Too much. Meeew tete he money have been made. Lets be fair money have been made. Lets be eeteetee. Money have been made. Lets be fair andrew, because fair to you, andrew, because i met fair to you, andrew, because i thinkshould fair to you, andrew, because i think should address that think you should address that theettw. Think you should address that theettw. He think you should address that directly. Do you think you should address that directly. Jtit l directly. Do you believe that it is that vaccines have is a plot that the vaccines have been . People been . I think people have profited these profited from from these immensely. Yes. Profited from from these immensely. Yes. Yes, i do. But immensely. Yes. Yes, i do. But my immensely. Yes. Yes, i do. But mw tegtee immensely. Yes. Yes, i do. But mw tegtee te immensely. Yes. Yes, i do. But mw tegtee te te yes. Yes, i do. But my degree is in biological htetegw my degree is in biological biology, biochemistry , genetics biology, biochemistry, genetics and biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e ett biology, biochemistry, genetics eet e htt et biology, biochemistry, genetics and a bit of virology. I mean, and a bit of virology. I mean, whet and a bit of virology. I mean, whet ee and a bit of virology. I mean, whet weet and a bit of virology. I mean, what are your qualifications in te what are your qualifications in science to make what are your qualifications in science to make the did you read any science to make the did you read eew et science to make the did you read eew et the science to make the did you read eew et the et science to make the did you read any of the 32 papers i posted whee any of the 32 papers i posted whee t any of the 32 papers i posted whee t gewe any of the 32 papers i posted whee t gewe mw any of the 32 papers i posted when i gave my first speech in december when i gave my first speech in december last when i gave my first speech in december last year on the 13th of december last year on the 13th et heeemhee december last year on the 13th of december, that december last year on the 13th of december, that was all backed up of december, that was all backed eh wtth of december, that was all backed eh wtth et of december, that was all backed up with 32 scientific papers , up with 32 scientific papers, eet up with 32 scientific papers, eet e up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath of up with 32 scientific papers, not a breath of it from the mainstream not a breath of it from the Mainstream Media because they eeettet Mainstream Media because they eeettet tete Mainstream Media because they couldnt take it Mainstream Media because they couldnt take it apart. Mainstream media because they couldnt take it apart. The couldnt take it apart. The science was couldnt take it apart. The science was unarguable. At that science was unarguable. At that ttme science was unarguable. At that ttme. The science was unarguable. At that time, the government wanted to weteete time, the government wanted to vaccinate babies. Time, the government wanted to vaccinate babies. They pulled teet vaccinate babies. They pulled heet teem vaccinate babies. They pulled back from that vaccinate babies. They pulled back from that to only the over 50 back from that to only the over so eet back from that to only the over 50 and immunocompromise side. The 50 and immunocompromise side. The ettet 50 and immunocompromise side. The ettet mw 50 and immunocompromise side. 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Well, you know, im not trying i everyone trying to i think everyone should complete speech should have complete free speech in terms what they say. In terms of what they say. Thats what im saying. Thats not what im saying. All i is think what i was suggesting is i think what frazers saying frazers article was saying is that of rhetoric might that some of the rhetoric might not that you not help the cause that you yourself advancing. I think yourself are advancing. I think thats fair yourself are advancing. I think thatslfairlthink yourself are advancing. I think thatslfairlthink theres thats a fair i think theres a lot thats a fair i think theres a tetlwtttet thats a fair i think theres a lot wilful blindness out lot of wilful blindness out theee. Lot of wilful blindness out there. Fact lot of wilful blindness out. There. Factpharma there. The fact is big pharma is a there. The fact is big pharma is e hege there. The fact is big pharma is e hegetehhwteg there. The fact is big pharma is a huge, lobbying power. You a huge, huge lobbying power. You teew. A huge, huge lobbying power. You teewthe a huge, huge lobbying power. You know,the mhra, a huge, huge lobbying power. You know, the mhra, the know, 86 of the mhra, the metteteee know, 86 of the mhra, the medicines healthcare medicines and healthcare weteete medicines and Healthcare Products regulatory agency, whteh products regulatory agency, which these which authorises these medicines, which authorises these medicines, is which authorises these medicines, is funded by big theeme medicines, is funded by big theeme. Medicines, is funded by big pharma. The medicines, is funded by big pharma. The joint committee pharma. The joint committee on veeeteettee pharma. The joint committee on vaccination and pharma. The joint committee on vaccination and immunisation in teete vaccination and immunisation in thete eeeeeeet vaccination and immunisation in their personal declarations of teteeeet their personal declarations of teteeeet. Thew their personal declarations of interest, they declared over £1 httttee interest, they declared over £1 httttee et interest, they declared over £1 billion of investments in big theme. Billion of investments in big pharma. This billion of investments in big pharma. This weve had our eegeteteee pharma. This weve had our regulators captured and thats teet regulators captured and thats teet eet regulators captured and thats just not healthy. Regulators captured and thats just not healthy. Fraser you can eeteeeteet just not healthy. Fraser you can understand why just not healthy. Fraser you can understand why some people are eeeetteet understand why some people are eeeetteetett understand why some people are scepticalall of understand why some people are sceptical all of this, you sceptical about all of this, you teew. Sceptical about all of this, you know, haventl sceptical about all of this, you. Know, havent been know, because there havent been answers questions. Know, because there havent been ansvt people questions know, because there havent been ansvtpeople wanted. Questions know, because there havent been ansvtpeople wanted. Jestions know, because there havent been ansvtpeople wanted. Es . Ns that people wanted. I think thet. That people wanted. I think thetteew. That people wanted. I think that, know, lived through that, you know, we lived through a during a really terrible period during the lockdowns. I think the covid lockdowns. I think there were a lot of terrible, terrible mistakes. Completely terrible mistakes. I completely oppose thought oppose the lockdown. I thought it kind of it was a mad kind of authoritarian, experiment authoritarian, an experiment essentially. And i think that essentially. And i think that has. Yeah people, you know, often people dont see up where theyre, you know, or they see conspiracy where theres up and people are , you know, the only, people are, you know, the only, the only problem with saying its up, conspiracy. What its up, not conspiracy. What youve got to bear its up, not conspiracy. What youve got to bear in l l. I ec. What youve got to bear in mind l l. I ii what youve got to bear in mind is thet youve got to bear in mind is thet ett youve got to bear in mind is thet ett the youve got to bear in mind is that all the governments across theweht. That all the governments across. 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Andsomeoneis panicked into these decisions. Andsomeoneis critical| and as someone who is critical of and someone of the lockdown and as someone who does want who desperately does not want this again, you this thing to happen again, you know, to andrew know, for someone like to andrew essentially, you know, spouse, these are conspiracy theorists. 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And funded it hold and whos funded it and hold them them criminally to account to mete them criminally to account to meteeweeweee them criminally to account to make everyone gets make sure everyone gets a meeeege make sure everyone gets a meeeegelwee make sure everyone gets a message you dont do this message so you dont do this egete message so you dont do this egete te message so you dont do this egete te ee message so you dont do this again to us, its message so you dont do this again to us, its really tmeeeteet again to us, its really important for people realise important for people to realise thet important for people to realise thetteteew important for people to realise that andrew sounds that what andrew says sounds eeteetttte. That what andrew says soundsi scientific. Pseudo scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientific you know, scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientiall you know, scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientiall the you know, scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientiall the listing, iow, scientific. Its kind of pseudo scientiall the listing, all listing all the listing, all these papers, misrepresenting these papers, misrepresenting the data and, you know, its actually, its just it is a Conspiracy Theory. It has no bafis Conspiracy Theory. It has no basis reality. Theres basis in reality. Theres nothing. Ill send you the papers. You can send me as papers. Well you can send me as many papers you like, but, many papers as you like, but, you know, of these are you know, a lot of these are completely theyre complete outliers. Terms outliers. But andrew, in terms of safety things of vaccine safety and things like again, how do they like that. So again, how do they prove a plot . Well, lets try eet prove a plot . Well, lets try eettewe prove a plot . Well, lets try and down to prove a plot . Well, lets try. 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I thtet tte youre a member of parliament. I thtet tte gette youre a member of parliament. I think its quite scary that, you teew. Think its quite scary that, you know, british think its quite scary that, you know, British Public are being eeeeeeeetet know, British Public are being represented by know, British Public are being represented by Anthony Fauci, teetet. Represented by Anthony Fauci, funded. Thatsi represented by Anthony Fauci, funded. Thats all funded it, funded it. Thats all eet funded it, funded it. Thats all eet te funded it, funded it. Thats all come out in congressional and Senate Hearings under oath in america. Watch the hearings. Its all there. The former head of the cdc said that thats what happened. Anthony fauci funded it. But that doesnt sorry, thete it. But that doesnt sorry, thete eet. But that doesnt sorry, thats not funded. \tit titit thats not funded. Not funded. They have not confirmed that the virus was made by america, by the department. He took it. 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Unfortunately, we know last excess death figures last weeks excess death figures for, week of for, i think second week of march, the five year march, 22 above the five year average, 2540 excess deaths. Theyre not statistics. Theyre real its going real people. And its going to continue, unfortunately. And we need debate in need we cant have a debate in parliament excess parliament about the excess deaths. Be . Why deaths. How can that be . Why cant we have a debate about excess deaths . We absolutely eheett heti should have a debate. But i thet. Should have a debate. But i thtet. Wee should have a debate. But i think, you know, should have a debate. But i think, you know, the truth is met think, you know, the truth is met geteg think, you know, the truth is met geteg te think, you know, the truth is not going to come out the vaccines are causing it. We eeet ttl vaccines are causing it. We| eeet ttlt cant even talk about it. I teet cant even talk about it. I eeetwehe cant even talk about it. I dontwere going. Cant even talk about it. I dont were going agree dont think were going to agree here. I do appreciate you here. But i do appreciate you both have such both coming on to have such a robust and open conversation about to andrew about it. So thank you to andrew bridgen myers, who bridgen and fraser myers, who and coming up on free speech nation, im going to be discussing whether this weekends an weekends coronation has had an impact popularity and the impact on the popularity and the future monarchy. Do not future of the monarchy. Do not go anywhere. Woo woo welcome back to free speech nation. So how successful speech nation. So how successful was the coronation weekend . Has it left you feeling proud of the nation, the commonwealth and the monarchy . Well, joining me to discuss this is the historian and commentator and political commentator David Oldroyd. David, can i first oldroyd bolt. David, can i first ask your opinion about the protesters . We were talking about it earlier. Protesters . We were talking about it earlier. And is it about it earlier. And is it right that some protesters were sort of arrested before theyd actually done anything wrong . 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And i think just seeing an think were just seeing an eeeeet think were just seeing an eeeeet et think were just seeing an aspect of this think were just seeing an aspect of this now. So why is the aspect of this now. So why is the meeeeehw aspect of this now. So why is the monarchy important . Jtit the monarchy so important . Do you the monarchy so important . Do wee eteete the monarchy so important . Do wee eteettlte you think . Why should it be embedded curriculum . Embedded into School Curriculum . My embedded into School Curriculum . 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If you look for instance, the un look at, for instance, the un hetee look at, for instance, the un tetet et look at, for instance, the un index of best look at, for instance, the un index of best outcomes and of meth index of best outcomes and of heetth 2t index of best outcomes and of health, 21 countries in that , 11 health, 21 countries in that, 11 of health, 21 countries in that, 11 et whteh health, 21 countries in that, 11 et whteh eee health, 21 countries in that, 11 of which are constitutional monarchies of which are constitutional monarchies and if you look at the monarchies and if you look at the tee monarchies and if you look at the tee zo monarchies and if you look at the top 20 developed nations in the top 20 developed nations in the weht. The top 20 developed nations in the world, ten the top 20 developed nations in the world, ten of the top 20 developed nations in the world, ten of those are constitutional the world, ten of those are constitutional monarchies. I thtet constitutional monarchies. I think system think this is a system that weete think this is a system that. Worksbenevolently think this is a system that worksbenevolently. I works well and benevolently. I weett works well and benevolently. I weett eet works well and benevolently. I would ask those works well and benevolently. I would ask those who would seek to would ask those who would seek te eeeteee would ask those who would seek te eeeteee ht would ask those who would seek to replace it with would ask those who would seek to replace it with what would you to replace it with what would weethet to replace it with what would weethethel to replace it with what would. 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And as the king hee teee ee guiding voice. And as the king has done as prince of wales , to has done as prince of wales, to be has done as prince of wales, to heleeet has done as prince of wales, to heleeet mewee has done as prince of wales, to belreal mover in has done as prince of wales, to be real mover in charity and be a real mover in charity and in be a real mover in charity and tehet be a real mover in charity and tehet wet be a real mover in charity and tehet wet ht be a real mover in charity and inbut yet it is be a real mover in charity and inbut yet it is in be a real mover in charity and in but yet it is in its in culture, but yet it is in its teetemeet in culture, but yet it is in its fundament absolutely disinterested. L fundament absolutely disinterested. But your critics would say that, well, its embodying privilege. Its embodying privilege. Its embodying the notion of division, where division shouldnt exist. I think thats shouldnt exist. I think thats eteettw shouldnt exist. I think thats eteettw the shouldnt exist. I think thats exactly the opposite i. Tix i think thats exactly the opposite of what it emhettee exactly the opposite of what it emhettee. Tt exactly the opposite of what it embodies. It embodies duty and ehttgettee embodies. It embodies duty and ehttgettee. Tt embodies. It embodies duty and obligation. It embodies a sacral eeeeet obligation. It embodies a sacral nature towards obligation. It embodies a sacral nature towards the work that is necessary as head nature towards the work that is necessary as head of state, i met necessary as head of state, i thtet thet necessary as head of state, i think that this necessary as head of state, i think that this is necessary as head of state, i think that this is the fundamental point about meeeeehw fundamental point about monarchy. And we saw this in the ceeeeettee monarchy. And we saw this in the Coronation Service monarchy. And we saw this in the Coronation Service yesterday. It is Coronation Service yesterday. It te eteet Coronation Service yesterday. It te eteet eetw Coronation Service yesterday. It is about duty and Coronation Service yesterday. It is about duty and obligation. Tte is about duty and obligation. Tte eteet is about duty and obligation. Its about service. Its a very tttteeeet its about service. Its a very different concept its about service. Its a very different concept from that whteh different concept from that whteh meet different concept from that which most people i think, in the weet which most people i think, in the west now which most people i think, in the west now where it is the west now hold where it is eteet the west now hold where it is eteet etghte the west now hold where it is about rights and the west now hold where it is about rights and about eetwttegee about rights and about privileges and about what they expect privileges and about what they expect. Thete privileges and about what they expect. Thats put, l expect. Thats very well put, david, thanks much for david, thanks so much for joining please, joining us. But please, everyone, away. Lot everyone, dont go away. A lot more the next hour on more to come in the next hour on free nation. See you in free speech nation. See you in a bit. And theres plenty more still to come on free speech nation tonight, including an interview about joanna cherry, the snp politician who was cancelled by a comedy club for her gender critical views. But lets get a news update first from bethany lc. Andrew thank you. Heres the lc. Andrew thank you. Heres the latest lc. Andrew thank you. Heres the teteet teem lc. Andrew thank you. Heres the latest from the lc. Andrew thank you. Heres the latest from the newsroom til t heres the latest from the newsroom at 8 pm, latest from the newsroom at 8 pm. The latest from the newsroom at 8 pm. The eewtw latest from the newsroom at 8 pm, the newly crowned king and geeee p. M, the newly crowned king and geeee hewe p. M, the newly crowned king and queen have said pm, the newly crowned king and queen have said theyre deeply teeehet queen have said theyre deeply teeehet eet queen have said theyre deeply touched and profoundly grateful touched and profoundly grateful te ett touched and profoundly grateful te ett theee touched and profoundly grateful to all those who touched and profoundly grateful to all those who showed their eeeeeet to all those who showed their eeeeeet tee to all those who showed their eeeeeet tee the to all those who showed their support for the coronation. Tens of support for the coronation. Tens et theeeeete support for the coronation. Tens of thousands of support for the coronation. Tens of thousands of street parties hewe of thousands of street parties hewe teee of thousands of street parties have been held of thousands of street parties have been held across the uk to eeetteee have been held across the uk to eeetteee the have been held across the uk to continue the celebrations. The eeeeet continue the celebrations. The annual event, continue the celebrations. The annual event, run continue the celebrations. The annual event, run by eden eeeteete annual event, run by eden projects communities said 67,000 big projects communities said 67,000 htg teeth projects communities said 67,000 big lunch events projects communities said 67,000 big lunch events were planned for big lunch events were planned tee tetew big lunch events were planned tee tetew eet big lunch events were planned for today and the big lunch events were planned for today and the royal family eet for today and the royal family eet te for today and the royal family were out in force for today and the royal family were out in force to show their theete were out in force to show their thanks. Sisters were out in force to show their thanks. Sisters princess heetetee thanks. Sisters princess beatrice and thanks. Sisters princess beatrice and eugenie were at an eweet beatrice and eugenie were at an eweet te beatrice and eugenie were at an event in buckinghamshire and the hete event in buckinghamshire and the hete et event in buckinghamshire and the duke of edinburgh, edward and his duke of edinburgh, edward and hte whe duke of edinburgh, edward and his wife sophie, duke of edinburgh, edward and his wife sophie, stopped by a teeth his wife sophie, stopped by a teeeh te his wife sophie, stopped by a lunch in surrey. His wife sophie, stopped by a lunch in surrey. Well wishers eete lunch in surrey. Well wishers eett the lunch in surrey. Well wishers said the parties lunch in surrey. Well wishers said the parties brought out the heet said the parties brought out the heet et said the parties brought out the best of british. Said the parties brought out the best of british. Its lovely to ett best of british. Its lovely to ett the best of british. Its lovely to see all the people and the hetteeee see all the people and the balloons out see all the people and the balloons out and everything. Weet. Balloons out and everything. Yeah, excellent balloons out and everything. Yeah, excellent. Balloons out and everything. Yeah, excellent. It balloons out and everything. Tv titi tixtitiiitis. l yeah, excellent. It doesnt happen often enough to get people to get together and they should get a day like this. Should get a day like this. Great. Its very nice. I created thteg great. Its very nice. I created thteg te great. Its very nice. I created thteg te heteg great. Its very nice. I created thing to bring us great. Its very nice. I created thing to bring us all together to celebrate thing to bring us all together to celebrate this thing to bring us all together to celebrate this because its a te to celebrate this because its a one in a lifetime to celebrate this because its a one in a lifetime thing. I dont thtet one in a lifetime thing. I dont thtet tm one in a lifetime thing. I dont thtet tm geteg one in a lifetime thing. I dont think im going to one in a lifetime thing. I dont think im going to experience it egete. Think im going to experience it egete. We think im going to experience it again. We think think im going to experience it again. We think its think im going to experience it again. Eeet. The event. And in the party spirit, william the event. And in the party spirit, william was heard tettegtw spirit, william was heard jokingly asking people if theyd heeeght jokingly asking people if theyd brought alcohol jokingly asking people if theyd brought alcohol with them to eeteheete. Brought alcohol with them to celebrate. Performers include tete celebrate. Performers include tete thet celebrate. Performers include take that katy celebrate. Performers include take that katy perry and lionel thete. Take that katy perry and lionel ttehte. Ee take that katy perry and Lionel Richie, as well take that katy perry and Lionel Richie, as well as take that katy perry and Lionel Richie, as well as special eeeeeeeeeee richie, as well as special appearances from tom cruise, heme appearances from tom cruise, heme teee appearances from tom cruise, Dame Joan Collins and sir tom weeee Dame Joan Collins and sir tom teeee the Dame Joan Collins and sir tom jones, the host, Dame Joan Collins and sir tom jones, the host, Hugh Bonneville eewe jones, the host, Hugh Bonneville eewe tte jones, the host, Hugh Bonneville eewe tte geteg jones, the host, Hugh Bonneville eewe tte geteg te jones, the host, Hugh Bonneville says its going to be a great etght. Says its going to be a great etght. Theee says its going to be a great night. There are says its going to be a great night. There are so many eteeteet night. There are so many standout moments. Night. There are so many standout moments. From what ive seen. Theres a beautiful poem composed especially for the event. Composed especially for the event. Theres a remarkable event. Theres a remarkable finale , both visually and finale, both visually and aurally and some astonishing pop performances along the way. And as well as classical performances from Andrea Bocelli and sir bryn terfel. So i think and sir bryn terfel. So i think there really is something for everyone tonight. Its going to be magical. Everyone tonight. Its going to be magical. The everyone tonight. Its going to be magical. The government everyone tonight. Its going to be magical. The government has defended the Police Response to protests ahead of the coronation after complaints that officers went too far. 52 people were went too far. 52 people were eweetee went too far. 52 people were eeeeetet. Went too far. 52 people were arrested , including 52 people were arrested , including from the arrested, including from the anti monarchy arrested, including from the anti Monarchy Group republic. The anti Monarchy Group republic. Teeweet anti Monarchy Group republic. Teeweetstee anti Monarchy Group republic. And just stop oil. Anti Monarchy Group republic. And just stop oil. Amnesty internationals and just stop oil. Amnesty internationals policing experts say internationals policing experts eew the internationals policing experts say the metropolitan police may hewe say the metropolitan police may hewe mteeeet say the metropolitan police may have misused new say the metropolitan police may have misused new powers granted by have misused new powers granted hw the have misused new powers granted hw the teeth have misused new powers granted by the public order have misused new powers granted by the public order bill, but the by the public order bill, but the teete by the public order bill, but the force insist by the public order bill, but the force insist they acted in the the force insist they acted in ttee wtth the force insist they acted in line with legislation and the eetteee line with legislation and the culture secretary , lucy frazer culture secretary, lucy frazer eete culture secretary, lucy frazer eett the culture secretary, lucy frazer eett the ew culture secretary, lucy frazer said the new powers are there to be said the new powers are there to he eeet said the new powers are there to he eeet. Said the new powers are there to he eeet. We said the new powers are there to be used. We brought said the new powers are there to be used. � tfttti g i said the new powers are there to be used. � tfttti g i be used. We brought in some legislation. The police said legislation. The police said they needed more powers , so they needed more powers, so weve given them them and i think then the police have to use their operational powers , use their operational powers, their intelligence to make the right decisions and the right calls on the day youre up to date on tv, online dab radio , date on tv, online dab radio, and on tune in. This is gb news. New and on tune in. This is gb news. New tte and on tune in. This is gb news. New tte heet and on tune in. This is gb news. Now its back to and on tune in. This is gb news. Now its back to free {sti i this is gb news. Now its back to free speech wetee now its back to free speech wettee. Nation. Welcome nation. Welcome back tetee welcome back to tetee welcome back to free tetee welcome back to free speech wettee. Welcome back to free speech nation. With welcome back to free speech nation. With me welcome back to free speech nation. t welcome back to free speech nation. t nation. With me andrew doyle. Did you enjoy nation. With me andrew doyle. Ett wee eetew the nation. With me andrew doyle. Did you enjoy the fraser nation. t did you enjoy the fraser myers . Teteew did you enjoy the fraser myers . Andrew bridgen did you enjoy the fraser myers . Andrew bridgen debate tense eeet andrew bridgen debate tense eeet tte andrew bridgen debate tense wasnt it . Tense, andrew bridgen debate tense wasnt it . Tis;ti andrew bridgen debate tense wasnt it . Tense, but no one came to blows, isnt it . Yeah. Came to blows, isnt it . Yeah. No. I was all ready came to blows, isnt it . Yeah. No. I was all ready for came to blows, isnt it . Yeah. No. I was all ready for a i l 7 yeah. No. I was all ready for a bit of meettet no. I was all ready for a bit of meettet eete no. I was all ready for a bit of martial arts, but no. I was all ready for a bit of martial arts, but didnt need it. Martial arts, but didnt need tt. Teew martial arts, but didnt need it. Know, thats martial arts, but didnt need it. Know, thats way it it. You know, thats the way it eheett it. You know, thats the way it eheettett it. You know, thats the way it should all about. Should be. Thats all about teee. Should be. Thats all about teee should be. Thats all about teee lweel should be. Thats all about. Free. You think free. Very well. Do you think you proud of yourself . You should be proud of yourself . Patronising. Okay, lets get eeme thel some questions from the eetteeee some questions from the audience. First some questions from the audience. First question is audience. Our first question is temteg audience. Our first question is temtegheet audience. Our first question is coming paul. Where paul audience. Our first question is c hi,� ig paul. Where paul audience. Our first question is c hi, paul. Paul. Where paul audience. Our first question is c hi, paul. Hi. Aul. Where paul audience. Our first question is c hi, paul. Hi. Isl. Where paul audience. Our first question is c hi, paul. Hi. Is therezre paul . Hi, paul. Hi. Is there a wetttege . Hi, paul. Hi. Is there a wedding . The . Hi, paul. Hi. Is there a wedding . . Hi, paul. Hi. Is there a wedding . The woke olympics by imposing its hate speech laws. Ireland and ireland are really going for it with the hate speech laws. And theyre passing theee speech laws. And theyre passing theee tewe speech laws. And theyre passing these laws and speech laws. And theyre passing these laws and they i and theyre passing these laws and they call these hete these laws and they call these new hate speech these laws and they call these new hate speech laws with teeth, whteh new hate speech laws with teeth, whteh eee new hate speech laws with teeth, which are basically which are basically criminalising all sorts of theeghte criminalising all sorts of theeghte. Criminalising all sorts of thoughts , but criminalising all sorts of thoughts , but particularly thoughts, but particularly theeghte thoughts, but particularly thoughts that might cause hate in thoughts that might cause hate te e thoughts that might cause hate in a subjective thoughts that might cause hate in a subjective now, in a subjective manner. Now, stewe in a subjective manner. Now, stewe. Twe in a subjective manner. Now, steve, ive talked in a subjective manner. Now, steve, ive talked a about steve, ive talked a lot about the steve, ive talked a lot about this, written steve, ive talked a lot about this, written. Book steve, ive talked a lot about this, written book about it. This, written a book about it. I weeew this, written a book about it. I weew eteet this, written a book about it. I worry about this this, written a book about it. I worry about this stuff, this teee worry about this stuff, this ttee et worry about this stuff, this idea of how worry about this stuff, this idea of how the notion of hate whee idea of how the notion of hate wheeeeteee idea of how the notion of hate whenapplied in idea of how the notion of hate when applied in is so when it is applied in law is so eeheteee when it is applied in law is so eeheteeeee when it is applied in law is so nebulous so subjective. Nebulous and so subjective. Theeee nebulous and so subjective. Theeee ee nebulous and so subjective. Theres no way nebulous and so subjective. 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And the bottom of the and right down the bottom of the rules, the one that really gets me is its illegal to withhold your if want your password. And if they want to out whats in to try and find out whats in your ive taken your computer, ive always taken pride the fact that i come up pride in the fact that i come up with a really difficult password. So i get arrested, password. So if i get arrested, not chance. No ones guessing. Password. So if i get arrested, not nowance. No ones guessing. Password. So if i get arrested, not now youre 0 ones guessing. Password. So if i get arrested, not now youre thinkingjuessing. Password. So if i get arrested, not now youre thinking ahead g. But now youre thinking ahead because good planning. Because its good planning. Yeah, sounds yeah, but now that that sounds definitely lets definitely more than, oh, lets stop being hateful. That stop people being hateful. 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Well, yes, im sorry to raise that talk about being patronising. Yeah , i do. But patronising. Yeah, i do. But thewwe patronising. Yeah, i do. But thewwe get patronising. Yeah, i do. But thewwe get e patronising. Yeah, i do. But theyve got a very patronising. Yeah, i do. But theyve got a very , t; yeah, i do. But theyve got a very , very theyve got a very, very draconian theyve got a very, very draconian hate speech, bill in seetteet draconian hate speech, bill in scotland. Well. Draconian hate speech, bill in scotland well. T tit draconian hate speech, bill in. Scotlandwell. Do. And scotland as well. They do. And my mum thought because we all have have these smoke alarms have to have these smoke alarms that government and that are from the government and my that was going my mum thought that was going to be in the smoke alarm. Be a camera in the smoke alarm. She she she genuinely thought that. She genuinely i genuinely thought that. I mean i did of agar on a wee bit, did kind of agar on a wee bit, but she genuinely thought she was going to be monitored. But im not. So what she was saying no one listens. Im not eweeteett no one listens. Im not surprisedsurprised, surprised. Im not surprised, heete thteg surprised. Im not surprised, bruce thing. When bruce because the thing is, when temte bruce because the thing is, when eemeeeeeeet bruce because the thing is, when humzapassedhate. Humza yousaf passed that hate eeeeeh humza yousaf passed that hate eeeeehhe humza yousaf passed that hate speechhe added humza yousaf passed that hate speech he added a section speech law, he added a section to speech law, he added a section tehttt speech law, he added a section tobill, which speech law, he added a section tobill, which was speech law, he added a section to bill, which was about in to that bill, which was about in weee to that bill, which was about in weeeheme. To that bill, which was about in weeeheme. Te to that bill, which was about in your home. In other words, your own home. In other words, wee your own home. In other words, wee eee your own home. In other words, wee he your own home. In other words, you can be prosecuted for things you can be prosecuted for things weete you can be prosecuted for things weehe weee you can be prosecuted for things weehe weee ewe you can be prosecuted for things you in your own smoke you say in your own home. Smoke eteeme you say in your own home. Smoke etemethteg. You say in your own home. Smoke alarms,thing,thing you say in your own home. Smoke alarms, thing, thing in alarms, that thing, the thing in weteet alarms, that thing, the thing in heteeeeetw alarms, that thing, the thing in irelandonly got alarms, that thing, the thing in ireland only got a alarms, that thing, the thing in ireland only got a grade ireland youve only got a grade a ireland youve only got a grade tgeete ireland youve only got a grade tgeete c. Ireland youve only got a grade agrade c, theres ireland youve only got a grade a grade c, theres no a and a grade c, theres no geeete a and a grade c, theres no geete h. A and a grade c, theres no geete h. Etght a and a grade c, theres no grade b, right . A and a grade c, theres no grade b, right . G til grade b, right . So grade c, i think is the most serious one. You can get up to two years in prison, whereas the grade a, i think its only six months in a ,90 fine. I come back. ,90 fine. I come back to this eetet. Hew ,90 fine. I come back to this eetet. Hew hete ,90 fine. I come back to this point, how hate . Point, how do we define hate . Theee point, how do we define hate . Theee eee point, how do we define hate . There are hate point, how do we define hate . There are hate speech laws acrossin various. Across europe in various eeetetee across europe in various countries. A countries. Everyones got a tttteeeet countries. Everyones got ai different one different definition. 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Youre more things will be classified when classified as hate when they werent intended and werent intended as such and could be dealt with in a different way, but instead we just presume that someone just presume that if someone doesnt its the doesnt like a thing, its the same thats not same as hate. And thats not true. Right. And bruce bruce eeett true. Right. And bruce bruce teeth et true. Right. And bruce bruce eeett et e true. Right. And bruce bruce could of a hate. True. Right. And bruce bruce. Could of a hate crime could accuse me of a hate crime for scottishnessl for mentioning his scottishness in for mentioning his scottishness te eeett for mentioning his scottishness te eeett he for mentioning his scottishness in could be accused in that way i could be accused of in that way i could be accused ethetetet in that way i could be accusedi ofhatefulmusic of being hateful towards music heeeee of being hateful towards music heeeee tm of being hateful towards music because im. Fan of being hateful towards music because im fan of dannii because im a fan of dannii ttteegee. Because im a fan of dannii minogue. Where because im a fan of dannii minogue. ti c because im a fan of dannii minogue. � tftttiii c ti 7 minogue. Where does it end . Well, exactly. Yes. Very well, quite exactly. Yes. Very good well, quite exactly. Yes. Very. Geet geeettee good point. So our next question is good point. So our next question te wheee good point. So our next question te wheee te good point. So our next question is where is elaine . | is from elaine, where is elaine . Hi, is from elaine, where is elaine . Ht ttetee. Is from elaine, where is elaine . Hi, elaine. Hello is from elaine, where is elaine . Hi, elaine. Hello hi, elaine. Hello. Hello could you hi, elaine. Hello. Hello could weeweteet hi, elaine. Hello. Hello could youwithout your hi, elaine. Hello. Hello could you without your mobile you live without your mobile phone . Well, ill you live without your mobile phone . Well , ill actually phone . Well, ill actually eeehehtw phone . Well, ill actually eeehehtw t 7 well, ill actually probably i should, but i eeeteet. Probably i should, but i eeeteet. Probably i should, but i couldnt. Its probably i should, but i couldnt. C cticyt couldnt. Its absolutely terrible. But this is an interesting study has just come out which has found that teenagers, they risk being disqualified from exams just because they cant bear to part with their phones. And of course, they have the course, they cant have the phones exam room. But phones in the exam room. But they as a kind of they say they have as a kind of comfort but its almost comfort blanket. But its almost like an extra appendage now, isnt that just like an extra appendage now, isnused that just like an extra appendage now, isnused havingt just like an extra appendage now, isnused having the just like an extra appendage now, isnused having the phone so used to having the phone around actually theres around us . You actually theres even where call even this thing where they call it phantom it Something Like phantom calling, where you feel it vibrate your but it vibrate in your pocket. But it hasnt. Hasnt at all. Youre hasnt. It hasnt at all. Youre just psychologically just so psychologically connected your toilet. Connected to your phone toilet. It could be that, yeah, it could just be that, yeah, youre willing it to call you. Youre willing it to you. Youre willing it to call you. Whet youre willing it to call you. Whetwee youre willing it to call you. Whetlweeet youre willing it to call you. | whatyouofis youre willing it to call you. Whatyouofis it what do you make of this . Is it i think its just young i dont think its just young people. 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It is a worry, though, worry about though, and i worry about myself sometimes think when im sometimes when i think when im walking street or walking down the street or walking down the street or walking countryside, walking through the countryside, beautiful walking through the countryside, bealgot l walking through the countryside, bealgot im on my phone looking ive got im on my phone looking at just a little bit at the thats just a little bit of willpower. Of tweaking with willpower. Like look you like you could look around you het like you could look around you het we like you could look around you more, but we shouldnt. We eheettet more, but we shouldnt. We shouldnt vilify more, but we shouldnt. We shouldnt vilify the phone. But wav shouldnt vilify the phone. But eewtheee shouldnt vilify the phone. But way these phones way before these phones were teweeteet way before these phones were tewethteg way before these phones were invething university. Im this thing at university. 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And if elon musk has naked. Part of me is missing. And if elon musk has his naked. Part of me is missing. And if elon musk has his way, hes going to start implanting that computer your so hes going to start implanting thatcantputer your so hes going to start implanting thatcan access your so hes going to start implanting thatcan access everything, so hes going to start implanting thatcan access everything, which you can access everything, which would but would be convenient. But it makes us effectively cyborgs, doesnt going to do he doesnt it . Is he going to do he wants do that. Its called wants to do that. Its called transhumanism. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, get password no, definitely get my password then. Exactly. Then. Yeah. Well, exactly. I think stuff. Anyway, think its scary stuff. Anyway, were going to to another were going to go on to another question now. And this one is coming gavin. Like coming from gavin. I always like the gavin hello. Hello. The name gavin. Hello. Hello. Our beards. The next of our beards. The next victim of the our beards. The next victim of the eetteee our beards. The next victim of the culture wars our beards. The next victim of the culture wars. Our beards. The next victim of the culture wars. � tfttticc extiti the culture wars. Well, bruce certainly hopes not. The thing about the beard thing is this is again, Scotland Police scotland. Theyre planning new policy theyre planning a new policy where police have be clean where police have to be clean shaven. Where police have to be clean shaven. An but this sometimes shaven. An but this sometimes means that the police are going to have shave more once to have to shave more than once a day because are some a day because there are some very hirsute men in scotland and women time we get women and so by the time we get to the second 4 00 shadow, 5 00 shadow, youre going to have to shave but this is shave again. But this is apparently because of masks, apparently because of the masks, because know, because there are, you know, those that clamp those covid masks, that clamp right so hannibal right to the face. So Hannibal Lecter on the face. Lecter style right on the face. You need to be completely clean shaven, stubble. Shaven, even a stubble. And theyre if theyre thinking, well, what if we have to deploy these masks again . Everyones be again . So everyones got to be clean the clean shaven. Do you think the police have do this . Police should have to do this . No, i think its a bit nonsensical. And youre right. Whet nonsensical. And youre right. Whete nonsensical. And youre right. Whete teew nonsensical. And youre right. What a lady called what if youre a lady called teeeew what if youre a lady called teeeewe what if youre a lady called teeeewe teew what if youre a lady called tracey a furry face . Thats tracey with a furry face . Thats vou tracey with a furry face . Thats wee teew. 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Thats a wee geee be checking for that . Thats a very good point. Do you very good point. What do you make this . Your beard . Make of all this . Your beard . Im bearded. Yeah. Are you . Im weee im bearded. Yeah. Are you . Im weee whe. Im bearded. Yeah. Are you . Im weeewtte. We im bearded. Yeah. Are you . Im yourwife. No did im bearded. Yeah. Are you . Im your wife. No did down. 3 yeah. Are you . Im your wife. No did down. That your wife. No did down. Not that guy your wife. No did down. Not that gew. Tee your wife. No did down. Not that gew. Tee thew your wife. No did down. Not that guy. Are they banning those kind of guy. Are they banning those kind et heeete guy. Are they banning those kind et heeete e guy. Are they banning those kind of beards . Well, guy. Are they banning those kind of beards . Well, then makes of beards . Well, then that makes a of beards . Well, then that makes ettet of beards . Well, then that makes ettet et of beards . Well, then that makes akind of issue. 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And ive kept it because it really hides the can be. And ive kept it because it really hides the lack of any tettetttee it really hides the lack of any definitionin it really hides the lack of any definitionin the it really hides the lack of any definition in the lower definition ive got in the lower eett definition ive got in the lower heeteee. Definition ive got in the lower halfface. So definition ive got in the lower halfface. So i definition ive got in the lower half face. So i would push half of my face. So i would push heet eeeete back against it if people could see back against it if people could the back against it if people could the teet back against it if people could see the fact that back against it if people could see the fact that it all just geee see the fact that it all just geee tete see the fact that it all just geee tete h see the fact that it all just goes into 15 chins. No it would mete eetee. I goes into 15 chins. No it wouldi make police. But make me leave the police. But you make me leave the police. But weeseeetw make me leave the police. But weeseeetweee you cant. Surely there are eettgteee you cant. Surely there are religious have. Religious reasons to have teeth religious reasons to have teeth tel religious reasons to have beards. Inlworld beards. Were living in a world wheee beards. Were living in a world wheee wee beards. Were living in a world where you cant beards. Were living in a world where you cant criticise someone many parts where you cant criticise someonemany parts of someone for so many parts of thete someone for so many parts of thete eeetetee someone for so many parts of their decision what they how their decision of what they how thew their decision of what they how thew. Their decision of what they how thew. Tte their decision of what they how they. Itslcivil they dress. Its a Civil Liberties right . So liberties thing, right . So surely just people liberties thing, right . So. Surely justpeople have surely just let people have heete surely just let people have beards,. Crying surely just let people have beards, crying out loud. C beards, for crying out loud. It teee beards, for crying out loud. It does seem very beards, for crying out loud. It does seem very strange beards, for crying out loud. C beards, for crying out loud. It does seem very strange to me. Whens coming whens this coming in . This weet. Whens this coming in . This weeteew. Whens this coming in . This weekwow. Well, whens this coming in . This. Weekwow. Well,we week. Oh, wow. Well, there we go. Its fault. Clearly go. Its your fault. Clearly scottish police. Absolutely. Okay, were move on okay, were going to move on now. Do we have another question . From eugenie. Question . We do. From eugenie. Eugenie pronounced that eugenie have i pronounced that correctly . Its eugene. Oh okay. Correctly . Its eugene. Oh okay. Sorry about that. Would you pay sorry about that. Would you pay theee sorry about that. Would you pay theee e sorry about that. Would you pay theee e weee sorry about that. Would you pay 20,000 a year to sorry about that. Would you pay 20,000 a year to eat would you pay 20,000 a year to eat worms and geeeeheeeeeee 20,000 a year to eat worms and grasshoppers . C grasshoppers . Okay, well, it sounds like a bargain to me. These are these are environmentally conscious students at north London Collegiate School , and they collegiate school, and they voted. Now the kids voted to add insects to their school dinners. So theyre going to have, what, teriyaki grasshopper and mexican rice topped with buffalo worms. Rice topped with buffalo worms. Steve, are you a fan of this . Look, im a im a vegetarian, so this i would be out of there anyway. So what do you make of this . I of course, kids voted this . I of course, kids voted tee this . I of course, kids voted tee thte this . I of course, kids voted tee thte. Tt this . 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Okay you heardlhere first. Well, there you go. Okay you heard here first. 043, heard it here first. Okay, well, look heard it here first. Okay, well, look. Heard it here first. Okay, well, look , thats quite enough of look, thats quite enough of that. Next on free speech that. Up next on free speech nation, were going to be talking the director birth talking to the director of birth gap, a film about gap, which is a film about population and population decline and why students at Cambridge University tried to cancel it. Of course, they did see you in a moment. Who. This is gb news radio. And welcome back to free speech nation. Students at Cambridge University. Nation. Students at Cambridge University. We nation. Students at Cambridge University. We have \\ g students at Cambridge University. We have tried to cancel university. We have tried to cancel a university. We have tried to cancel a viewing of the film each cancel a viewing of the film each cap cancel a viewing of the film each cap , cancel a viewing of the film birth gap, which is a film about the phenomenon birth gap, which is a film about the phenomenon of worldwide declining the phenomenon of worldwide declining birth the phenomenon of worldwide declining birth rates. The document declining birth rates. The document , declining birth rates. The document , which blames the trend document, which blames the trend on document, which blames the trend ca cae document, which blames the trend an the quote document, which blames the trend on the quote, pitfalls of feminism on the quote, pitfalls of feminism and on the quote, pitfalls of feminism and the modern dating wm, feminism and the modern dating wm, ac feminism and the modern dating wm, is due feminism and the modern dating world, is due to feminism and the modern dating world, is due to be feminism and the modern dating world, is due to be screened at sanc world, is due to be screened at sane jeanc world, is due to be screened at saint johns college. This coming saint johns college. This coming friday. Saint johns college. This coming friday. But critics on carame coming friday. But critics on camacp have coming friday. But critics on campus have labelled the film incredibly and. Incredibly condescending and accused incredibly condescending and amacea cm incredibly condescending and accused the director of misogyny. Ma, accused the director of misogyny. Ma ma accused the director of misogyny. Now, im pleased accused the director of misogyny. Now, im pleased to say the mecca. Now, im pleased to say the director cf. Now, im pleased to say the director of the. Now, im pleased to say the director of the movie, stephen j. Director of the movie, stephen a sham director of the movie, stephen a sham vau director of the movie, stephen j. Shaw, will joining in j. Shaw, will be joining me in a mem j. Shaw, will be joining me in a mcmem eac j. Shaw, will be joining me in a moment. But ive j. Shaw, will be joining me in a moment. But ive also got the mamm moment. But ive also got the ccaaem am moment. But ive also got the student whohim student who invited him to mem student who invited him to. Cpeam accea speak, Charlie Bentley. Aster cham speak, Charlie Bentley. Aster thank you speak, Charlie Bentley. Aster mam yea em speak, Charlie Bentley. Aster thank you for me. Thank you for joining me. Chame thank you for joining me. Charliethis thank you for joining me. Charliethis this thank you for joining me. Charliethis this evil thank you for joining me. Charlie this this evil film charlie is this this evil film that the protesters are claiming that the protesters are claiming that it is . Of course it isnt. Vea that it is . Of course it isnt. Ma knew, that it is . Of course it isnt. You know, its that it is . Of course it isnt. You know, its a that it is . Of course it isnt. You know, its a film c 57 of course it isnt. You know, its a film covering all you know, its a film covering an em you know, its a film covering all the different you know, its a film covering all the Different Reasons why ceeme all the Different Reasons why were seeing a all the Different Reasons why were seeing a decline in the acmec were seeing a decline in the worlds population. And it is across the world, this phenomenon. Countries , across the world, this phenomenon. Countries , all phenomenon. All countries, all religions phenomenon. All countries, all religionsseeing phenomenon. All countries, all religions seeing this religions are seeing this this drop religions are seeing this this drop aa religions are seeing this this drop in aa religions are seeing this this drop in in the religions are seeing this this drop in in the world population. Vec drop in in the world population. Vec. Ama drop in in the world population. Vec. Ana mc drop in in the world population. Yes. And its just drop in in the world population. Yes. And its just its testing why yes. And its just its testing am am yes. And its just its testing am am ae yes. And its just its testing why why are these things happening . Why why are these things happening . So thats what the fam happening . So thats what the film explores. Happening . So thats what the film explores. � fa� fia at; film explores. What are the critics claiming that the film is about . Oh, well, the claiming amc is about . Oh, well, the claiming that am is about . Oh, well, the claiming that am mm is about . Oh, well, the claiming that the film is 7 oh, well, the claiming that the film is telling women what that the film is telling women amc te that the film is telling women what to ac that the film is telling women what to do with that the film is telling women what to do with their bodies, mat what to do with their bodies, that drop. That women need to drop Everything Everything and have children amaace everything and have children became m because the worlds going to ccuapce because the worlds going to collapsedoesnt. Collapse if it doesnt. Obviously collapse if it doesnt. Obviouslywhat the obviously thats not what the face obviously thats not what the mm isaving obviously thats not what the film. Saying. The obviously thats not what the film saying. The film is film is saying. The film is mainly film is saying. The film is mainly women film is saying. The film is mainly women who are of mainly women who are sort of high mainly women who are sort of High Achievers mainly women who are sort of High Achievers who have prioritised High Achievers who have prioritised career , who are prioritised career, who are teenag prioritised career, who are feeling ceme prioritised career, who are feeling some regret, some of mem feeling some regret, some of them fea feeling some regret, some of them for em feeling some regret, some of them for not having children earma them for not having children eaaaea am them for not having children earlier and experiencing teamm earlier and experiencing fertility difficulties in their tater fertility difficulties in their tater ate fertility difficulties in their later life and fertility difficulties in their later life and before we go to the later life and before we go to the director later life and before we go to the director of later life and before we go to the director of the film, can i tact the director of the film, can i tact act the director of the film, can i tact act yea, the director of the film, can i tact act yea, yea the director of the film, can i just ask you, you invited him for just ask you, you invited him tm tac just ask you, you invited him for this screening and you wanted for this screening and you wanted people for this screening and you wanted people to be able to come and wanted people to be able to come amtthe wanted people to be able to come amtthe tttm wanted people to be able to come andthe film if wanted people to be able to come and. The film if they wanted people to be able to come and the film if they wanted and see the film if they wanted to and see the film if they wanted tctttm. And see the film if they wanted tofilm. What and see the film if they wanted tofilm. What did and see the film if they wanted tofilm. What did thei to see the film. What did the students and prevent students do to try and prevent this . So initially they started booking. So tickets are free booking. So the tickets are free tecaace booking. So the tickets are free tecaceeem q so the tickets are free because every student because i wanted every student am because i wanted every student who wanted because i wanted every student who wanted to because i wanted every student who wanted to come to able to who wanted to come to be able to camethey who wanted to come to be able to come they started who wanted to come to be able to come they started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe they started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe ticketsey started booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets instarted booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in theird booking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in their sortoking who wanted to come to be able to conthe tickets in their sort of ng out the tickets in their sort of teac out the tickets in their sort of tem amt out the tickets in their sort of tens and theres out the tickets in their sort of tens and theres of tens and theres only sort of m. Tens and theres only sort of tamthey tens and theres only sort of 150thevjustl 150. And so they were just teetteg 150. And so they were just temteg cat 150. And so they were just booking out the venue repeatedly so booking out the venue repeatedly cc yeact booking out the venue repeatedly cc yeaanae booking out the venue repeatedly cc yeaaaa empty booking out the venue repeatedly so youd an empty room. So youd get an empty room. Teat, so youd get an empty room. Teamamt so youd get an empty room. Yeah, andthen yeah, exactly. And then then they yeah, exactly. And then then theyte yeah, exactly. And then then theyta pat yeah, exactly. And then then theyto put hit yeah, exactly. And then then they to put hit pieces they started to put hit pieces in they started to put hit pieces tn the they started to put hit pieces in the student they started to put hit pieces in the Student Newspaper. And thetac in the Student Newspaper. And thetttc tc in the Student Newspaper. And thethis is to the tactic of this is to intimidate the tactic of this is to intimidate other students and ether intimidate other students and ether ctatt intimidate other students and other staff out intimidate other students and other staff out of going for tea other staff out of going for. Tear wtth fear of being associated with atta fear of being associated with wtth a fear of being associated with with a misogynistic transphobic , mmcpmttc with a misogynistic transphobic , homophobic, bigoted film which theyve , homophobic, bigoted film which theyve decided , homophobic, bigoted film which theyve decided they havent t. Theyve decided they havent seen it. Right . Theyve decided they havent seen it. Right . They havent t. Seen it. Right . They havent tt. They seen it. Right . They havent seen it. They couldnt have seen it seen it. They couldnt have seen tt tecaace seen it. They couldnt have seen it because its seen it. They couldnt have seen it because its full seen it. They couldnt have seen it because its full version is mt it because its full version is mt eetee. It because its full version is not online. And it because its full version is not online. And the bit that is catte not online. And the bit that is cattm only not online. And the bit that is online only deals not online. And the bit that is online only deals with the economic side online only deals with the economic side of the decline. So economic side of the decline. So theyte economic side of the decline. So theyre protesting economic side of the decline. So theyre protesting against something they know nothing about and theyre protesting against a that doesnt against a film that doesnt actually its their actually exist. Its in their minds. But wouldnt minds. Yes, but you wouldnt minds. Yes, but you wouldnt mind were protesting, mind if they were protesting, would because thats their would you . Because thats their right. No. In fact, ive been in temteg te fighting for their right to ccattaae fighting for their right to continue youl fighting for their right to continue you know , continue protesting, you know, the continue protesting, you know, tm veaae continue protesting, you know, the venue and continue protesting, you know, the venue and sort of the people im the venue and sort of the people tm ttatctae the venue and sort of the people im liaising with the venue and sort of the people im liaising with have sort of, you im liaising with have sort of, yea teem im liaising with have sort of, you know, been im liaising with have sort of, you know, been saying, well, if the protect you know, been saying, well, if the protest isnt you know, been saying, well, if the protest isnt going ahead , the protest isnt going ahead, thea the protest isnt going ahead, tma them the protest isnt going ahead, then then, you the protest isnt going ahead, then then, you know, you can you ac then then, you know, you can you etcevent. Then then, you know, you can you can do. Event. Said, can do the event. And i said, wett can do the event. And i said, wett , can do the event. And i said, wett, tm can do the event. And i said, wett, tm mt can do the event. And i said, well, im not going to tell the pactecteac well, im not going to tell the protesters not well, im not going to tell the protesters not to well, im not going to tell the protesters not to protest. I tetteve protesters not to protest. I believe. Free protesters not to protest. I believe free speech. And they believe in free speech. And they have right believe in free speech. And they have mam te believe in free speech. And they have right to justi have as much of a right to just cmat have as much of a right to just cmat amt have as much of a right to just shout and scream have as much of a right to just shout and scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutasid scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas ii scream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do ream much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to m much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit much as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit with jch as they have as much of a right to just shoutas i do to sit with steven hey want as i do to sit with steven amt want as i do to sit with steven amt tatt want as i do to sit with steven and talk about want as i do to sit with steven and talk about the film in front of and talk about the film in front ct ttett and talk about the film in front of well, lets of an audience. Well, lets tang shaw of an audience. Well, lets bring shaw in. Of an audience. Well, lets bring shaw in now, who bring steven j. Shaw in now, who directed movie. Steven thank directed the movie. Steven thank you so much joining can you so much forjoining us. Can i ask you, were you surprised about response about this response from students worlds students at one of the worlds most prestigious universities as its remarkable. I would say just its remarkable. I would say tact tact, its remarkable. I would say just first, though, its remarkable. I would say just first, though, i e i would say just first, though, i dont actaatty just first, though, i dont actually use just first, though, i dont actually use the term pitfalls of feminism. Actually use the term pitfalls of feminism. Other people may have of feminism. Other people may haveteam of feminism. Other people may have term, but of feminism. Other people may have term, but i of feminism. Other people may have term, but i think have used that term, but i think its have used that term, but i think ttc tmmataat have used that term, but i think its important explain the its important to explain the treatm its important to explain the breath at its important to explain the breadth of people who i met acamt breadth of people who i met acamt the breadth of people who i met around the world. E � jti around the world. It was filmed in 24 countries. I met 230 people. Those people, i think , people. Those people, i think, mata people. Those people, i think, ccatct only people. Those people, i think, ccatct caty te those people, i think, could only be defined as highly representative could only be defined as highly representative of could only be defined as highly representative of the world we ate representative of the world we ttve ta representative of the world we ttve ta team, representative of the world we live in today, filmed in every commem live in today, filmed in every ccattmat. Live in today, filmed in every continent. It live in today, filmed in every continent. It and live in today, filmed in every continent. A e continent. It and its been so warmly received by colleges around the world, by Film Festivals. So to suddenly have a reactan festivals. So to suddenly have a aeacttca ttte festivals. So to suddenly have a reaction like this so to suddenly have a reaction like this really raises aaecttcm reaction like this really raises aaecttcm te reaction like this really raises questions to me reaction like this really raises questions to me about what it is that questions to me about what it is that mamm questions to me about what it is that perhaps people feel about this that perhaps people feel about tttc mae that perhaps people feel about this movie that that perhaps people feel about this movie that might be threatening this movie that might be threatening to them. z threatening to them. And id tave threatening to them. And id tcve te threatening to them. And id tcve to meet threatening to them. And id love to meet these people. Id love to meet these people. Id love to meet these people. Id love to talk about it if theyre willing love to talk about it if theyre willing eat love to talk about it if theyre willing. But its love to talk about it if theyre willing. But its quite stunning willing. But its quite stunning. lazily willing. But its quite stunning. Absolutely. And thank you for correcting me on that, that didnt actually that you didnt actually use that you didnt actually use that pitfalls of that phrase pitfalls of feminism. It a phrase feminism. It is indeed a phrase that feminism. It is indeed a phrase thatacet feminism. It is indeed a phrase thatused about feminism. It is indeed a phrase thatused about the it is indeed a phrase that used about the film. That was used about the film. Eat that was used about the film. Eat ac that was used about the film. But as charlie that was used about the film. But as charlie was saying, used by but as charlie was saying, used ty actaattyi by people who havent actually men they by people who havent actually seen they dont. Seen the film. So they dont aeatty seen the film. So they dont catty tt seen the film. So they dont aeatty tt tc seen the film. So they donti really it is about. Really know what it is about. I caaety really know what it is about. I mean, surely part really know what it is about. I mean, surely part of the reason for mean, surely part of the reason tea making mean, surely part of the reason tea mattm the mean, surely part of the reason for making the film is want for making the film is you want to ctaat for making the film is you want to startldebate for making the film is you want to startldebate or for making the film is you want to start debate or to to start a debate or to start a atccacctca to start a debate or to start a discussionthese to start a debate or to start a discussion these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to ;ion these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to disagree these issues to start a debate or to start a disc to disagree potentially. And to disagree potentially. Vec and to disagree potentially. Vec amt and to disagree potentially. Vec am you and to disagree potentially. Yes. And you know, and to disagree potentially. Yes. And you know, the and to disagree potentially. Yes. And you know, the wonderful thing is people do watch thing is when people do watch this free the this document, free the conversation, start by themselves. You dont need to themselves. You dont need me to be there themselves. You dont need me to be there at themselves. You dont need me to be there at at you dont need me to be there at all. Wonderful conversations be there at all. Wonderful conversations about future. Conversations about the future. I conversations about the future. Ttatttaa conversations about the future. Ttatttna ma conversations about the future. Ifalling birth rates conversations about the future. Ifalling birth rates is i mean, falling birth rates is going to become biggest going to become the biggest challenge the very challenge or one of the very Biggest Challenges of the 21st century. And the people who are going century. And the people who are going te century. And the people who are going to. Impacted century. And the people who are going to i impacted are l going to be impacted most are younger going to be impacted most are younger people going to be impacted most are younger people. And this is a documentary simply examines documentary that simply examines pathways and pathways through life and encourages conversations. So, encourages conversations. So, yes, its quite surprising. Charlie, can i ask you , even yes, its quite surprising. Charlie, can i ask you , even if charlie, can i ask you, even if the charlie, can i ask you, even if the tan charlie, can i ask you, even if the tttm wac charlie, can i ask you, even if the film was an charlie, can i ask you, even if the film was an openly anti feminist tract , its still anti feminist tract, its still caaety anti feminist tract, its still caaety ap anti feminist tract, its still caaety ap te anti feminist tract, its still surely up to individual students whether surely up to individual students whether they surely up to individual students whether they choose to watch the tttm whether they choose to watch the tttm m whether they choose to watch the tttm m net whether they choose to watch the tttm m net et whether they choose to watch the film or not. Of course it is. Amt film or not. Of course it is. Amt thatc film or not. Of course it is. And thats whats film or not. Of course it is. And thats whats the film or not. Of course it is. And thats whats the ludicrous thing about all of this cancel culture stuff on campuses in particular, is that students have no obligation to see these films. You know, its not a part of theyre not of their course. Theyre not going if they going to fail if they dont watch film watch the film and give a commentary on it. Its like, so lets talk about logic lets talk about the logic behind then. So the behind that then. So the implication that. Behind that then. So the. Implication that they implication here is that they that implication here is that they thinkpresence implication here is that they think presence of the think the very presence of the mea think the very presence of the tumthe think the very presence of the film. The presence think the very presence of the film the presence your film and the presence of your eaect film and the presence of your eaectlcampac film and the presence of your guest campus what guest on campus creates what a mat guest on campus creates what a mm at guest on campus creates what a mm at tem guest on campus creates what a kind of toxic environment or or cmeaac kind of toxic environment or or spreads hateful kind of toxic environment or or spreads hateful ideas. Is that spreads hateful ideas. Is that what spreads hateful ideas. Is that what theyae spreads hateful ideas. Is that what theyre getting at . What theyre getting at . I mean, ctaaehtc what theyre getting at . I mean, students have what theyre getting at . I mean, students have said things as ludicrous as as the film is a promotion of eugenics without ever saying why. And this is something that the Student Newspaper was sort of, you know, they made these accusations and students were never asked to legitimise these these things. But is that its but it is that its intellectually unsafe and to some extent they think that theyre physically unsafe. I think the phrase l. I think the phrase intellectually ahcaet think the phrase intellectually ahcaet tc think the phrase intellectually unsafe is quite think the phrase intellectually unsafe is quite chilling in of meth unsafe is quite chilling in of ttcett. Hat unsafe is quite chilling in of itself. But stephen j. Shaw, can i itself. But stephen j. Shaw, can tatcat itself. But stephen j. Shaw, can tahcat thatc itself. But stephen j. Shaw, can i about that . Because i ask you about that . Because thece i ask you about that . Because these students i ask you about that . Because these students are accusing you ofpro eugenics these students are accusing you of pro eugenics that of being pro eugenics. 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And the idea its connected in way to its connected in any way to eugenics is simply nonsense. I think we actually might have a trailer for the film. Do we have that . Tetc trailer for the film. Do we have that . Lets have trailer for the film. Do we have that . Lets have a trailer for the film. Do we have that . Lets have a look trailer for the film. Do we have that . Lets have a look at � do we have that . Lets have a look at this ccmhe that . Lets have a look at this ccmhg tram that . Lets have a look at this coming from the that . Lets have a look at this coming from the world of data. Coming from the world of data science. I felt coming from the world of data science. I felt i coming from the world of data science. tile l. 22 science. I felt i understood populations are going up and that thats a problem. Um, when that thats a problem. Um, when i saw what was actually happening, i couldnt sleep. I think the biggest problem in the world will face in 20 years is population collapse. Collapse. Population collapse. Collapse. This four year project took me to 24 countries and over 230 people were kind enough to give me an hour of their lives. How could it be that suddenly countries are having so few children . I needed to go and children . I needed to go and find out. Its children . I needed to go and find out. Its obviously a very find out. Its obviously a very hteaecthe find out. Its obviously a very interesting topic � 2 its obviously a very interesting topic there. But you yea interesting topic there. But you were you were bringing the thema were you were bringing the ahectm h were you were bringing the director in as were you were bringing the director in as well. So that you mata director in as well. So that you ccatct chea director in as well. So that you could open the director in as well. So that you could open the conversation up. Hat could open the conversation up. Hat yea could open the conversation up. Hat yea hatt could open the conversation up. But you had what could open the conversation up. But you had what i thought was very but you had what i thought was very interesting. But you had what i thought was very interesting. You had an attack very interesting. You had an attack tach very interesting. You had an attack from varsity, which is the attack from varsity, which is the university attack from varsity, which is the university but its the university paper, but its cteaaty the university paper, but its meaty che the university paper, but its clearly one side,| clearly aligned to one side, tcht clearly aligned to one side, isntyeah clearly aligned to one side, isntyeah yeah, clearly aligned to one side, isnt yeah yeah, exactly. Isnt it . Yeah yeah, exactly. Amt isnt it . Yeah yeah, exactly. That. Isnt it . Yeah yeah, exactly. That. The isnt it . Yeah yeah, exactly. And. The troubling isnt it . Yeah yeah, exactly. And. The troubling thing about and. The troubling thing about it is that the, the comments that students made were published as news and not comment , published as news and not comment, which i found very interesting. And i wrote to the interesting. And i wrote to the varsity and said, are you going to publish , you know, students to publish, you know, students who stephen on who are pro stephen being on campus and free speech and they didnt reply. And said, didnt reply. And when i said, okay, well can have a piece okay, well can i have a piece alongside this, this sort of hit piece to explain what the film is actually about rather than what students think its about . And they wouldnt have that either. And a lot of students have either. And a lot of students have attacking have been attacking you heacchatty have been attacking you personally defamatory personally and saying defamatory thhgc personally and saying defamatory thhgc, hamm personally and saying defamatory things, frankly, yeah, its a cat things, frankly, yeah, its a cat at things, frankly, yeah, its a sort of helendale gave me this chame sort of helendale gave me this ahaace, hat sort of helendale gave me this phrase, but she sort of helendale gave me this phrase, but she said its mttttcc. Phrase, but she said its mttttcc. Hy phrase, but she said its politics. 5g 2 on; phrase, but she said its politics. 5g 2 o2; phrase, but she said its politics. By cuties. One of the reasons they sort of said that stephen cant be here is because he was associating with Jordan Peterson and that the film must be bigoted because i had appeared on gb news and write for the telegraph. Aslef whats wrong for the telegraph. Aslef whats wrong wtth for the telegraph. Aslef whats wrong with associating g aslef whats wrong with associating with jordan wrong with associating with Jordan Peterson . � ftt� 2t 7 Jordan Peterson . Who knows . Again, these students never elaborate must be elaborate because it must be self evident. Why , self evident. Its obvious why, surely. Yeah, so. But theyre never challenged on these things. Stephen have you had this kind of reaction in any other quarters or it other quarters or is it specifically coming from students . Ive never had this students . Ive never had this tach students . Ive never had this mm amche students . Ive never had this from anyone. Its students . Ive never had this from anyone. Its not 2 7 ive never had this from anyone. 2 from anyone. Its not students. I mean, i did a screening here to International Students in tokyo where im actually based. Ive done screenings across the world, new york, chelsea Film Festival twice, and if you look online, theres over 15 000 comments from people who have either watched part of the documentary or heard me on the podcast, like Jordan Peterson , podcast, like Jordan Peterson, and theres nothing like this. So where this has come from, to me is an incredible mystery. And again, i just appeal to students to come and watch talk to me. To come and watch talk to me. Im really interested to see where this can be coming from. Where this can be coming from. Um, i made this documentary for its dedicated to young people everywhere there. And thats a passion for me. So i really encourage anyone at cambridge, whether they have heard good things or bad things, please come along. Please talk to me. Come along. Please talk to me. Charlie, is it going to go charlie, isit going to go ahead charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 charlie, is it going to go ahead e wett charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 well, thats charlie, is it going to go ahead 7 well, thats the charlie, is it going to go ahead. 7 well, thats the big charlie, is it going to go ahead . Well, thats the big question. Thats the big question mark over over that at the moment, im having difficulty with the venue. Im having difficulty with the venue. They want me to ensure venue. They want me to ensure that a sort of 90 person protest thats currently being mounted. Thats currently being mounted. And they want me to ensure that that will have minimal effect on on, on on the on the venue. And on, on on the on the venue. And this protest is going to be on a pubuc this protest is going to be on a public street while even the police have limited jurisdiction over a protest on a public street. So theyve set these impossible stands by which i need to meet for this to go ahead. This is a common fudge, thcaeh ahead. This is a common fudge, thcagh, where ahead. This is a common fudge, though, where they 2 this is a common fudge, though, where they will say the cecahty though, where they will say the cecahty tc though, where they will say the security is the though, where they will say the security is the issue. Yeah, but actaatta security is the issue. Yeah, but actually, university. Actually, its a university. Ttc actually, its a university. Ttcwheae actually, its a university. Its where are its a place where ideas are meant its a place where ideas are. Meant tcht its a place where ideas are meant isnt it . Meant to be exchanged, isnt it . So meant to be exchanged, isnt it . Stacheate meant to be exchanged, isnt it . Soshould. Their meant to be exchanged, isnt it . So should their priority so this should be their priority. Wett so this should be their priority. 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Militant, students militant, authoritarian students whe militant, authoritarian students wheaaeht militant, authoritarian students who arent interested militant, authoritarian students wihearing arent interested militant, authoritarian students wihearing alternative erested in hearing alternative views . So in hearing alternative views . So. In hearing alternative views . So. Thht in hearing alternative views . So i think 75 in hearing alternative views . So i think 75 of in hearing alternative views . So i think 75 of the in hearing alternative views . So i think 75 of the student population are bright, engaged , population are bright, engaged, but maybe hesitant because, you know, free speech is a big topic at the moment. And the students are being intimidated out of attending things. And so its a very small constituency who are very small constituency who are very vocal and are sort of manufacturing consent. You know, theyll say, we dont want these people on our campus. Well, whos we . Yes. You know, a group of of you who , you of five of you who who, you know, run the student body and theyre speaking behalf theyre speaking on behalf of all their peers. Theyre cheathe all their peers. Theyre speaking i behalf. L all their peers. Theyre. Speaking i behalf. But all their peers. Theyre speaking. Behalf. But the speaking on behalf. But the thteg speaking on behalf. But the thtegthat speaking on behalf. But the thing that they theyre thing is, is that they theyre almost nominated by no one. No one student one turns up to student elections. Its of elections. So its sort of a little mini racket of its own. You they they all they you know, they they all they all nominate and then nominate each other and then vote for each other and then become student body because become the student body because everyone else is having fun, you know. But thats a good know. But thats thats a good aaeameht know. But thats thats a good aaeameht tea know. But thats thats a good argument for more argument for more sort of ttheaat liberal minded students to get hvctvea liberal minded students to get involvedstudent liberal minded students to get involved student politics, involved with student politics, to involved with student politics, tcttct involved with student politics, tcttct the involved with student politics, to kick the authoritarians to kick kick the authoritarians out to kick kick the authoritarians catwhea to kick kick the authoritarians outwhoa, whoa. To kick kick the authoritarians| outwhoa, whoa. Well out right. Whoa, whoa. Well see. Okay. Well final word see. Okay. Well just final word now stephen. What next now to you, stephen. What next for the movie . Now to you, stephen. What next for the movie . That for the movie . You said that part for the movie . You said that hartatmo for the movie . You said that part already available. Part one is already available. Temte part one is already available. | people online. People can watch that online. Is that people can watch that online. Is thate people can watch that online. Is thate that people can watch that online. Is that . That is people can watch that online. Is that . That is right. People can watch that online. Is that . G that right . That is right. The part one explains the reality of whats happening. Birth up. The erg is a website you can come to as to review the other as well to review the other parts of the documentary. It will be more generally will be released more generally later full three later this year. The full three parts. , yeah, just parts. So, um, yeah, i just think so important that think its so important that people having this people are having this conversation. Fantastic. Stephen people are having this ccshawation. Fantastic. Stephen people are having this ccshaw and. Fantastic. Stephen people are having this ccshaw and charlie stic. Stephen people are having this ccshaw and Charlie Bentley hen j. Shaw and Charlie Bentley actor, j. Shaw and Charlie Bentley astor, thanks j. Shaw and Charlie Bentley astor, thanks so j. Shaw and Charlie Bentley astor, thanks so much for joining astor, thanks so much for joining astor, thanks so much for joining us. And astor, thanks so much for joining us. And up next on free speech joining us. And up next on free speech hatch joining us. And up next on free speech nation, after the stand, comedy speech nation, after the stand, comedy ctah speech nation, after the stand, comedy club cancelled a booking wtth comedy club cancelled a booking wtth sht comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician comedy club cancelled a booking with snp politician joanna chem. With snp politician joanna cherry were with snp politician joanna cherry. Were going to be cheathe cherry. Were going to be speaking with cherry. Were going to be speaking with poet jenny thtcaa speaking with poet jenny lindsay, who speaking with poet jenny lindsay, who is also being targeted lindsay, who is also being targeted hy lindsay, who is also being targeted by activists for her gender targeted by activists for her gender critical targeted by activists for her gender critical views. Stay gender critical views. Stay tama gender critical views. Stay tahea. Open rational debate. Weve got to wart open rational debate. Weve got to wart cat open rational debate. Weve got to work out how open rational debate. Weve got to work out how britain moves tomat to work out how britain moves teraarct tram to work out how britain moves forward from this to work out how britain moves forward from this. Forward from this. Welcome forward from this. Welcome back to free forward from this. Welcome back to free speech hatch. Welcome back to free speech nation. With welcome back to free speech nation. With me, welcome back to free speech nation. 2 welcome back to free speech nation. 2 l nation. With me, andrew doyle. The snps joanna cherry claims she has been cancelled from appearing at the Edinburgh Festival fringe for being a lesbian who holds gender critical views. The mp was due to appear at the stand comedy club in august, but the club says some key staff are unwilling going to work at the event. So with me to discuss this, im joined by Dennis Kavanagh, director of the gay mens network and the poet jenny lindsey. Welcome both. Im going lindsey. Welcome both. Im going to come to you first, jenny, if you dont mind. Jenny, can i ask you dont mind. Jenny, can i ask you, youre a poet. Youre based you, youre a poet. Youre based in scotland. Youve experienced some kind of similar things to what joanna cherry has experienced recently. Perhaps you could tell us bit about you could tell us a bit about that . Oh, you could tell us a bit about that . Oh, god, its really, that . 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And yeah , carry. About whats happened. And yeah , carry. On about whats happened. And yeah , cam or you about whats happened. And yeah , cam on you 90r about whats happened. And yeah , sorry. 0 22 r22; , sorry. On you go, people are going to be very, very surprised to hear the idea that there are activists out there who think they attack, physically activists out there who think they lesbiattack, physically activists out there who think they lesbia at ck, physically activists out there who think they lesbia at a. , physically activists out there who think they lesbia at a pride ;ically activists out there who think they lesbia at a pride event. Attack lesbia at a pride event. Theyll think thats insane. Weve seen more and more women being attacked at, for instance, at kelly j. Keanes. Let women speak events. Physical attacks were talking about here, not just peaceful protests. Um, and just peaceful protests. Um, and now with joanna cherry. Now this with joanna cherry. Joanna cherry, a lesbian who campaigned 28. Campaigned against section 28. How is it that people like joanna cherry are now being how is it that people like joanna lastrry are now being how is it that people like joanna ias the are now being how is it that people like joanna ias the badtow being how is it that people like joanna ias the bad guysaing how is it that people like joanna ias the bad guysain all painted as the bad guys in all this . Well, think its always this . Well, i think its always worth this . Well, i think its always worth going this . 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Cannot come and see you perform he that. R cannot come and see you perform in that venue. I will cannot come and see you perform in that venue. I will not in that venue. I will not caeeert in that venue. I will not caeeert a in that venue. I will not support a venue that no platform aeah wtth support a venue that no platform a woman with perfectly reasonable a woman with perfectly reasonable beliefs and they put atareet reasonable beliefs and they put atareet eh reasonable beliefs and they put a target eh att reasonable beliefs and they put a target on all womens heads. Thece a target on all womens heads. These venues, a target on all womens heads. These venues, when they do this am these venues, when they do this amt yeah. These venues, when they do this amt yeah. R these venues, when they do this and yeah, i think these venues, when they do this and yeah, i think thats an excetteht and yeah, i think thats an excellent point. And yeah, i think thats an excellent point. 2 112; excellent point. And dennis, i want to bring you in on that point because this is this is what happens, isnt it, that people with perfectly legitimate commonplace views are labelled as transphobic and as hateful and transphobic and that legitimises violence against them . Yeah, what theyre tethe against them . Yeah, what theyre ache rc against them . Yeah, what theyre doing tc theyre against them . Yeah, what theyre doing is theyre putting doing is theyre putting a target doing is theyre putting a targetthe doing is theyre putting a target. The perfectly target on the back of perfectly aeceht target on the back of perfectly eeceht people target on the back of perfectly decent people have decent people who have unremarkable decent people who have unremarkable all views. Joanna cherry unremarkable all views. Joanna cherry hac unremarkable all views. Joanna cherry has extremely moderate shec cherry has extremely moderate views. Shes in cherry has extremely moderate views. 2 views. Shes in favour of equality for everyone under the equality act. She supports the semen equality act. She supports the section seven equality act. She supports the section seven gender section seven gender reassignment characteristic. She reassignment characteristic. Chefact reassignment characteristic. She just happens reassignment characteristic. She just happens to reassignment characteristic. She just happens to have a legally protected view under the law under for stated that sex is real, its important and its immutable. And as jk rowling immutable. And as jk rowling catt immutable. And as jk rowling an, thtc immutable. And as jk rowling an, thtc rc immutable. And as jk rowling said, this is the immutable. And as jk rowling said, this is the link and as jk rowling said, this is the link with the temhtcm said, this is the link with the feminism point. Said, this is the link with the feminism point. Without sex, therec feminism point. Without sex, therec he feminism point. Without sex, theres no same feminism point. Without sex, theres no same sex attraction. Treme theres no same sex attraction. Ttghte se theres no same sex attraction. Ttghte se tt theres no same sex attraction. Right . So if joanna cherry wants to right . So if joanna cherry wants te mate right . So if joanna cherry wants te mate ah right . So if joanna cherry wants to make an argument on the basis of to make an argument on the basis et tecttah to make an argument on the basis of lesbian rights to make an argument on the basis of lesbian rights and lesbian meahhe of lesbian rights and lesbian meaning same of lesbian rights and lesbian meaning same sex, then that aethttteh meaning same sex, then that definition of meaning same sex, then that definition of sex meaning same sex, then that definition of sex is important. Amt definition of sex is important. Amt tt definition of sex is important. Amt tt rc definition of sex is important. And it is irresponsible in the etee and it is irresponsible in the etree ter and it is irresponsible in the extreme for outfits like this to hae extreme for outfits like this to hate hehtmt extreme for outfits like this to hide behind their staff and behave hide behind their staff and behave ac hide behind their staff and behave as if hide behind their staff and behave as if shes in any way hatetat behave as if shes in any way hateful. This behave as if shes in any way hateful. This is behave as if shes in any way hateful. This is senior kings counsel, and hateful. This is senior kings counsel, and this hateful. This is senior kings counsel, and this is the chair of counsel, and this is the chair et the counsel, and this is the chair of the parliamentary equalities cermhtttee. Of the parliamentary equalities committee. This of the parliamentary equalities committee. This woman fought sectteh committee. This woman fought sectteh cc. Committee. This woman fought section 28. Shes committee. This woman fought section 28. Shes a gay rights teeemt. Section 28. Shes a gay rights teeemt. Amt section 28. Shes a gay rights legend. And for section 28. Shes a gay rights legend. And for them to smear her h legend. And for them to smear her he thtc legend. And for them to smear her in this fashion legend. And for them to smear her in this fashion and to smear heeceaatc her in this fashion and to smear homosexuals in her in this fashion and to smear homosexuals in public life, like tathteeh homosexuals in public life, like kathleen stock, homosexuals in public life, like kathleen stock, like julie theet kathleen stock, like julie htmtet. Kathleen stock, like julie bindel , like kathleen stock, like julie bindel , like alison bailey, like bindel, like alison bailey, like stmeh bindel, like alison bailey, like simon fanshawe, bindel, like alison bailey, like simon fanshawe, one of the teamterc simon fanshawe, one of the teamterc et simon fanshawe, one of the founders of stonewall harris ceeatthe founders of stonewall harris ceeathe at founders of stonewall harris speaking at gonville and caius at rate speaking at gonville and caius at rate eh speaking at gonville and caius at pride on friday speaking at gonville and caius at pride on friday this week for heeceaatc at pride on friday this week for homosexuals in at pride on friday this week for homosexuals in public life to race homosexuals in public life to tace thtc homosexuals in public life to face this and homosexuals in public life to face this and women more aemratty face this and women more eeheratty. Ter face this and women more generally, for us to watch what we have generally, for us to watch what we have te generally, for us to watch what we have te cay generally, for us to watch what we have te cay. Generally, for us to watch what we have to say. Joanna cherry we have to say. Joanna cherry cemearea we have to say. Joanna cherry cemearea tt we have to say. Joanna cherry compared it to we have to say. Joanna cherry compared it to a we have to say. Joanna cherry compared it to a new mccarthyism. To me, it feels the mccarthyism. To me, it feels the a mccarthyism. To me, it feels the a hew mccarthyism. To me, it feels like a new section 28. It feels the like a new section 28. It feels the a like a new section 28. It feels the a hew like a new section 28. It feels like a new closet. So let me ask you about the legal issues on this. Is the stand behaving lawfully by deplatforming . Joanna cherry well, if i can quote dr. Michael foreign writing about this, his view was that it will almost certainly had behaved unlawfully pursuant to section 29 of the equalities act. You can directly discriminate 2 you can directly discriminate against 2. You can directly discriminate against a protected characteristic. Discriminate against a protected characteristic. The discriminate against a protected characteristic. The argument here. Characteristic. The argument here. Amt characteristic. The argument here. Amt tt characteristic. 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Foreign and many other academics have said, that is other academics have said, that tc he other academics have said, that is no different other academics have said, that is no different to other academics have said, that is no different to saying our ctatt eeeetel staff dont like gay people, teat staff dont like gay people, aeht thte staff dont like gay people, dont like black staff dont like gay people, dont like black people, dont the dont like black people, dont theeeetete. Dont like black people, dont likepeople. And dont like black people, dont like people. And the fact like muslim people. And the fact that like muslim people. And the fact that ttc like muslim people. And the fact that its happened like muslim people. And the fact that its happened is one thing for that its happened is one thing terte that its happened is one thing tertea that its happened is one thing fortoa statement. That its happened is one thing for to a statement out for them to put a statement out amt for them to put a statement out amtamat for them to put a statement out amtaheat rt. For them to put a statement out andabout it. In for them to put a statement out andabout it. In my for them to put a statement out and about it. In my view, and crow about it. In my view, is and crow about it. In my view, tc eate and crow about it. In my view, is quite disgraceful. fly;~ ~fl. And crow about it. In my view, is quite disgraceful. U2 r 22 is quite disgraceful. Jenny, can i is quite disgraceful. Jenny, can t ceme is quite disgraceful. Jenny, can t tact is quite disgraceful. Jenny, can i come back to you on this . I mean, surely part of the point of these kinds no platforming of these kinds of no platforming of these kinds of no platforming of like joanna cherry of people like joanna cherry and indeed is that part of indeed yourself is that part of the point is to intimidate others into silence, to sort of send a message and say your views arent acceptable and you better shut and does better shut up. And that does work, lot better shut up. And that does wc people lot better shut up. And that does wc people , lot better shut up. And that does wc people , they lot better shut up. And that does wc people , they just lot better shut up. And that does wc people , they just well of people, they just stay well out it. Yes, of people, they just stay well out it. Yes, absolutely of people, they just stay well out it. Yes, absolutely. It out of it. Yes, absolutely. It reatty out of it. Yes, absolutely. It reatty aeec. Out of it. Yes, absolutely. It really does. And out of it. Yes, absolutely. It really does. And on c yes, absolutely. It really does. And on one level, i do understand really does. And on one level, i do understand why really does. And on one level, i do understand why some people teet do understand why some people teet tee do understand why some people feel too frightened to speak eat. Feel too frightened to speak eat. R feel too frightened to speak eat. R mah feel too frightened to speak out. I mean, im feel too frightened to speak out. I mean, im hardly a mutant out. I mean, im hardly a brilliant advert out. I mean, im hardly a brilliant advert for it. It is reatty. Brilliant advert for it. It is really, really brilliant advert for it. It is really, really affected my income and really, really affected my income and my ability to make a living income and my ability to make a ttvhe. Income and my ability to make a ttvhe. Amt income and my ability to make a living. Amt the income and my ability to make a living. And the thing is, the living. And the thing is, the three living. And the thing is, the one thing that living. And the thing is, the one thing that remains to me as awrtter one thing that remains to me as a wrtter amt one thing that remains to me as a wrtter amt a one thing that remains to me as a writer and a performer is etattermhe a writer and a performer is platforming myself. And if platforming myself. And if venues are unwilling to even attem venues are unwilling to even attew rhe venues are unwilling to even attew me te venues are unwilling to even allow me to hire venues are unwilling to even allow me to hire a space to do a meter allow me to hire a space to do a meter were allow me to hire a space to do a spoken word show, allow me to hire a space to do a spoken word show, then you know , it spoken word show, then you know. Tt reatty spoken word show, then you know. 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And we have to hold the line on this and have teen hold the line on this and have been working hold the line on this and have been working desperately for the last been working desperately for the tact tear been working desperately for the last four years been working desperately for the last four years to been working desperately for the last four years to try and get et last four years to try and get some of scotlands leading them some of scotlands leading ttghtc amt some of scotlands leading lights and literary organisations to hold the line. I organisations to hold the line. R mah organisations to hold the line. R. Organisations to hold the line. I mean , were talking about i mean, were talking about tethe i mean, were talking about women being threats and facing eehary women being threats and facing economic penury for being temhtctc economic penury for being feminists. I economic penury for being feminists. I mean, lets lets het feminists. I mean, lets lets het heat feminists. I mean, lets lets not beat around feminists. I mean, lets lets not beat around the bush here. Amt not beat around the bush here. Amt what not beat around the bush here. Amt what rye not beat around the bush here. And what ive had not beat around the bush here. And what ive had the last few dayc and what ive had the last few aayc trerh and what ive had the last few days from this and what ive had the last few days from this cabaret against hate days from this cabaret against hate ceeech days from this cabaret against hate ceeech gay. Days from this cabaret against hate speech guy, i feel absolutely hate speech guy, i feel absolutely no different emotionally absolutely no different emotionally from when in 2014, i had a emotionally from when in 2014, i had a matter emotionally from when in 2014, i had a stalker dumas, and police teta had a stalker dumas, and police tetct rhe had a stalker dumas, and police tetct me het had a stalker dumas, and police tetct me am te had a stalker dumas, and police told me not to advertise where i eche told me not to advertise where i going te told me not to advertise where i going te he told me not to advertise where i was going to be performing hecaace was going to be performing because somebody might come atehe because somebody might come atehe amt because somebody might come along and harm because somebody might come along and harm me. And that is along and harm me. And that is exactty along and harm me. And that is exactty the along and harm me. And that is exactly the position that these acttvtctc exactly the position that these activists are exactly the position that these activists are putting me in team. Activists are putting me in teeay. Amt activists are putting me in teeay. Amt tt activists are putting me in today. And it is activists are putting me in today. And it is disgraceful. today. And it is disgraceful. A lot today. And it is disgraceful. A tet et today. And it is disgraceful. A tet et whee today. And it is disgraceful. A lot of weve got today. And it is disgraceful. A lot of weve got two today. And it is disgraceful. lot of weve got two strands here, havent we, dennis . Here, havent we, dennis . Theres the feminist aspect and the way which women are being the way in which women are being mistreated this and mistreated in all of this and then as well. It then gay people as well. And it does were stepping does feel like were stepping back decades , doesnt back in time by decades, doesnt it . Run the gay it . You run the gay mens network. It does feel like this is a homophobia, right . Network. It does feel like this is a as homophobia, right . Network. It does feel like this is a as iomophobia, right . Network. It does feel like this is a as i said, hobia, right . Network. It does feel like this is a as i said, itybia, right . Network. It does feel like this is a as i said, it feelsight . Network. It does feel like this is a as i said, it feels like . Yeah. As i said, it feels like a hewrt yeah. As i said, it feels like a newit feels yeah. As i said, it feels like a newit feels like yeah. As i said, it feels like a newit feels like a. Yeah. As i said, it feels like a new it feels like a new new closet. It feels like a new cectteh new closet. It feels like a new cectteh 28. New closet. It feels like a new section 28. And new closet. It feels like a new section 28. And youd think from what section 28. And youd think from whatthat section 28. And youd think from whatthat joanna section 28. And youd think from what that joanna cherry what happened that joanna cherry was what happened that joanna cherry macehe what happened that joanna cherry macehe ce was going to give some inflammatory was going to give some inflammatory speech at this eem inflammatory speech at this eem cah inflammatory speech at this event. Can make this event. Can i just make this herme event. Can i just make this aeratewac event. Can i just make this point . Was there. She was point . She was there. She was caeeecea point . She was there. She was caeeecee te point . She was there. She was caeeecee te he point . She was there. She was supposed to be there just to atccacc supposed to be there just to ctccacc her supposed to be there just to discuss her life supposed to be there just to discuss her life and politics. Tact discuss her life and politics. Justdiscuss discuss her life and politics. Just discuss independence just to discuss the independence cameateh just to discuss the independence cameateh. Just to discuss the independence cameateh. What just to discuss the Independence Campaign , what its like being campaign, what its like being an hr campaign, what its like being an hr. Campaign, what its like being an hr. Se campaign, what its like being an hr. Se ttc campaign, what its like being an mp. So its not as if an mp. So its not as if contentious an mp. So its not as if contentious speech is being cttemea. Contentious speech is being silenced. Whats happening here is silenced. Whats happening here tcher silenced. Whats happening here tcher emte silenced. Whats happening here is her entire position in is that her entire position in hatttc is that her entire position in Public Discourse is that her entire position in Public Discourse and her ability just Public Discourse and her ability tact te Public Discourse and her ability tact te tett Public Discourse and her ability tact te tett ac Public Discourse and her ability just to tell us a Public Discourse and her ability just to tell us a little bit amat just to tell us a little bit ateat her just to tell us a little bit about her life, just to tell us a little bit about her life, heaven forbid gav about her life, heaven forbid gay pewte about her life, heaven forbid gay people might have role metetc ee gay people might have role models. Golisten models. They could go and listen to models. They could go and listen te tatt models. They could go and listen te tamthet models. They could go and listen to talktheir life models. 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And i mean, we work on the mean, we work on the basis that the cerem mean, we work on the basis that the cerrect. Mean, we work on the basis that the correct. And mean, we work on the basis that the correct. And it. The statements correct. And it tract the statements correct. And it yachttt the statements correct. And it wasntit wasnt the statements correct. And it wasnt it wasnt just wasnt just it wasnt just eeette wasnt just it wasnt just eeeete thel wasnt just it wasnt just people the they people working at the bar. They cata people working at the bar. They catalwac people working at the bar. They catalwacamt people working at the bar. They said was and managers. Said it was staff and managers. So said it was staff and managers. Se tt said it was staff and managers. Se tt weht said it was staff and managers. So it went all said it was staff and managers. So it went all the. 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But if that is true and it is a gutlessness not to ctamt and it is a gutlessness not to ctamt ae and it is a gutlessness not to ctamt ah te and it is a gutlessness not to stand up to staff and it is a gutlessness not to stand up to staff and weve seen thtc stand up to staff and weve seen thtc agate stand up to staff and weve seen thtc aeah amt stand up to staff and weve seen this again and again and again, earttcatarty this again and again and again, particularly artistic particularly in artistic industries, particularly in artistic industries, weve seen this etehty industries, weve seen this etehtylttmec industries, weve seen this plenty times publishing. Plenty of times in publishing. Teett well, the answer has to be this, aeecht well, the answer has to be this, aeecht rte well, the answer has to be this, aeecht rte tre well, the answer has to be this, doesnt it . We cant have eeaattty doesnt it . We cant have. Equality several equality law run in several sectors, but equality law run in several sectors, but then just say, oh, it sectors, but then just say, oh, tt eeecht sectors, but then just say, oh, it doesntfor sectors, but then just say, oh, it doesnt for that, it doesnt count for that, eeecht it doesnt count for that, doesnt count it doesnt count for that, doesnt count that. Because doesnt count for that. Because if doesnt count for that. Because n n. A, doesnt count for that. Because naa, we doesnt count for that. Because ifthat, we have if we do that, we have heeaattty if we do that, we have inequality before the law we inequality before the law and we have gay inequality before the law and we have gay eeeetei have no go areas for gay people amt have no go areas for gay people andareas for have no go areas for gay people and areas for feminists. And no go areas for feminists. Amt and no go areas for feminists. Amt thatc and no go areas for feminists. And thats completely and thats thats completely cehtrary and thats thats completely contrary discourse. Contrary to civic discourse. Hehhtc contrary to civic discourse. Dennis kavanagh and jenny thtcey Dennis Kavanagh and jenny lindsey,much. Dennis kavanagh and jenny lindsey, much for Dennis Kavanagh and jenny lindsey,much for now. Lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming ap lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming at th lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming are re the lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming up in the final lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming up in the final part lindsey, thanks so much for now. Coming up in the final part of free speech nation , were going free speech nation, were going to be looking at the videos that have gone viral this week and answering some of your unfiltered tuned unfiltered dilemmas. Stay tuned. Thank unfiltered dilemmas. Stay tuned. Thank you, danny. Welcome back to free speech nation. Welcome back to free speech hatter. Welcome back to free speech hatter. Hew. Welcome back to free speech hatter. New. Welcome back to free speech nation. Now , every. Welcome back to free speech nation. Now , every week, welcome back to free speech nation. \lif. Llt nation. Now, every week, as you know, we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. So lets have a look at our first clip. This is a the video of man who managed to video of a man who managed to sneak through the security video of a man who managed to sneak tandigh the security video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea security video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea sec the video of a man who managed to sneak tand glidea sec the prince cordon and glide past the prince and wales so he and princess of wales so he could collect his prescription. Could collect his prescription. Its shocking, isnt it . Dont you think he should be beheaded . Really would he have to pay for his prescription . T would he have to pay for his prescription . Because in scettamt his prescription . Because in ccettamt yea his prescription . Because in scotland you dont. 2 scotland you dont. Actually, i tent scotland you dont. Actually, i dont know about that. Okay. Dont know about that. Okay. But we can maybe find out. Yeah that but we can maybe find out. Yeah that ae but we can maybe find out. Yeah what to yea but we can maybe find out. Yeah what do you make but we can maybe find out. Yeah what do you make of but we can maybe find out. Yeah what do you make of that, but we can maybe find out. Yeah what do you make of that, steve . Is that rude to do that . I mean, no. And actually, is that rude to do that . I mean, no. And actually, this is that rude to do that . I mean, no. And actually, this is. 22 22 c2c7 i mean, no. And actually, this is the three. No. And actually, this is the three. Rt no. And actually, this is the thing. If youre no. And actually, this is the thing. If youre about to be armed thing. If youre about to be arrested for thing. If youre about to be arrested for protesting an arrested for protesting as an anti monarchy arrested for protesting as an anti monarchy list. Just anti monarchy list. Yes. Just say a say no. Dont get me a prescription say no. Dont get me a prescription filled. Let prescription filled. Ill let you prescription filled. Ill let yeathreaeh prescription filled. Ill let you through. Thats you straight through. And thats herr you straight through. And thats hewream. You straight through. And thats hewream. You straight through. And thats howround. Did you straight through. And thatsi howround. Didnot how you get round. Did he not mtee how you get round. Did he not notice them there . That the notice them there . Is that the thing . Hes probably not interested. Interested. Ofsted. No, just wanted interested. Ofsted. No, just wanted. Interested. Ofsted. No, just wanted. Thought interested. Ofsted. No, just. Wanted. Thought he interested. Ofsted. No, just wanted. Thought he just wanted his meds. Thought he just eeettee wett needed the meds. Yes, well, wevethere. Needed the meds. Yes, well,i wevethere. Bruce, weve all been there. Bruce, i hear weve all been there. Bruce, i hear yea. Weve all been there. Bruce, i hear you, sister. I mean, you cant a good few cant get up without a good few pills in exactly. Im valley of the teette pills in exactly. Im valley of the dolls, the 23x22. Ch im valley of the dolls, the musical. 32 the dolls, the musical. Right. Were the dolls, the musical. Right. Were aet the dolls, the musical. Right. Weve got video the dolls, the musical. Right. Weve got video mp jacob weve got video now of mp Jacob Rees Mogg , erg being the epitome rees mogg, erg being the epitome of british cool after being evacuated from outside buckingham palace. Anyway, were buckingham palace. Anyway, were just buckingham palace. Anyway, were tact getthe buckingham palace. Anyway, were tact eetthe the buckingham palace. Anyway, were just getting the latest 2 2 2 anyway, were just getting the latest word trem just getting the latest word here the just getting the latest word from the metropolitan police and i from the metropolitan police and r teat from the metropolitan police and r aeht thew from the metropolitan police and i dont know what from the metropolitan police and i dont know what it is. Were i dont know what it is. Were going i dont know what it is. Were going te i dont know what it is. Were going te have i dont know what it is. Were going to have to i dont know what it is. Were going to have to evacuate now. So going to have to evacuate now. Se rm going to have to evacuate now. Se the very going to have to evacuate now. Se the very cerry going to have to evacuate now. 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I mean, its. We saw the the andrex. I mean, its. We saw theeche the andrex. I mean, its. We saw theache te the andrex. I mean, its. We saw thegoing to leeds the andrex. I mean, its. We saw the going to leeds on the train going to leeds on tachy the train going to leeds on rrtaay. Ea the train going to leeds on. Friday. Not pleasant. Friday. That was not pleasant. May. Friday. That was not pleasant. Etay. Wett friday. That was not pleasant. May. Yet. Friday. That was not pleasant. Okay, well , lets friday. That was not pleasant. Okay, well , lets move on to the okay, well, lets move on to the part okay, well, lets move on to the part et okay, well, lets move on to the part etchew okay, well, lets move on to the part of. Show where okay, well, lets move on to the part of show where we talk part of the show where we talk threaeh part of the show where we talk threaeh year part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. Through your unfiltered dilemmas. 2 through your unfiltered. Dilemmas. Our first through your unfiltered dilemmas. Our first dilemma dilemmas. Now, our first dilemma has come jennifer. Thank has come in from jennifer. Thank you, for sending this has come in from jennifer. Thank yotjennifer for sending this has come in from jennifer. Thank yotjennifer says, sending this has come in from jennifer. Thank yotjennifer says, sencbeen� iis in. Jennifer says, ive been dating amazing, in. Jennifer says, ive been dating amazing , beautiful, dating an amazing, beautiful, talented man for two months. Ive just started staying at his house and he has started to pick his toenails in front of me. Its absolutely disgusting. But its absolutely disgusting. But its absolutely disgusting. But i also hate the fact hes already comfortable enough to do it in front of me. Does this mean doesnt respect yes mean he doesnt respect me . Yes yes. Absolutely it yes. Thats absolutely what it means. Absolutely. Vile relationship vile relationship loopholes. 222 vile relationship loopholes. This means. Absolutely. Vile relationship loopholes. This man just relationship loopholes. This man tact thhtc relationship loopholes. This man tact thhtc he relationship loopholes. This man just thinks he can relationship loopholes. This man just thinks he can do anything he tttec just thinks he can do anything he likes. Hes just thinks he can do anything he likes. Hes foul. She should get he likes. Hes foul. She should eet lemme he likes. Hes foul. She should get jennifer, youre get rid of him. Jennifer, youre werth get rid of him. Jennifer, youre hathaha get rid of him. Jennifer, youre werthhhayeal get rid of him. Jennifer, youre worth and. You dont worth more. And then you dont know what jennifer gets up to. Of course. But no, i wouldnt imagine shed look scabby a imagine shed look scabby in a pair birkenstocks. I mean, pair of birkenstocks. I mean, those would pair of birkenstocks. I mean, those. Would positively. Those feet would positively ctceacect. Those feet would positively diseased. Like i those feet would positively diseased. Like the diseased. They look like the tame diseased. They look like the prince fingers. Prince charles sausage fingers. I Prince Charles sausage fingers. Rtmw Prince Charles sausage fingers. Rtmw tt Prince Charles sausage fingers. Rtmw rt that i dont know if that was necessarily feet. I think it necessarily the feet. I think it was of a foot we was a picture of a foot that we used. I that was sent in used. I thought that was sent in by used. I thought that was sent in hylvtewer. Used. I thought that was sent in hylvtewer. R used. I thought that was sent in bylviewer. I mean, used. I thought that was sent in bylviewer. I mean, that c. 2 i thought that was sent in by viewer. 2 by a viewer. I mean, that would be problem in that be i think the problem in that relationship her at relationship would be her at that you started that point. If you started secretly your secretly photographing your partners feet, just split partners feet, shed just split up. I have said. Up. I hate them. Both have said. I is up. I hate them. Both have said. R tc tt up. I hate them. Both have said. R tc t a up. I hate them. Both have said. R tc t a ctteeeryl i mean, steve, is it a slippery cteeee i mean, steve, is it a slippery cteeee vea i mean, steve, is it a slippery slope . You know, i mean, steve, is it a slippery slope . 2. I mean, steve, is it a slippery slope. 7 you know,you start slope . You know, once you start to that, you know, your to do that, you know, pick your toes your partner, toes in front of your partner, it means you dont respect them, right . Youll be cheating and it means you dont respect them, right youlll be cheating and it means you dont respect them, right youll embellishing and then youll embellishing the funds. Always make out funds. People always make it out somehow. Youre so close because you vulnerability. Somehow. Youre so close because you in vulnerability. I somehow. Youre so close because you in onevulnerability. Youre so close because you in one of vulnerability. Youre so close because you in one of first1erability. Youre so close because you in one of first longility. Youre so close because you in one of first long term no. In one of my first long term relationship, no. In one of my first long term relationship,we no. In one of my first long term relationship, we that relationship, aukus we had that moment who relationship, aukus we had that moment who starts moment of like, oh, who starts breaking of, moment of like, oh, who starts breaking of, oh,i breaking wind in front of, oh, that then breaking wind in front of, oh,| that then after that cute moment. Then after that that cute moment. Then after that pott that cute moment. Then after that potnt,. That cute moment. Then after that point, i must that cute moment. Then after that point, i must have been outdone that point, i must have been outdonet that point, i must have been outdonea ratio that point, i must have been outdone a ratio of 9 to i, outdone at a ratio of 9 to i, i treated outdone at a ratio of 9 to i, i ttetttet tn outdone at a ratio of 9 to i, i breathed in more outdone at a ratio of 9 to i, i breathed in more trump than i let breathed in more trump than i tetthrough breathed in more trump than i letthrough that breathed in more trump than i let through that entire let out through that entire relationship. Let out through that entire relationship. And worth relationship. And its not worth keep keep relationship. And its not worth keep keep ttel keep the mystique. Keep the mystery. Keep the mystique. Keep the mystery. Atbiel keep the mystique. Keep the mystery. Albie just mystery. Absolutely albie just be mystery. Absolutely albie just te ttote mystery. Absolutely albie just be more than mystery. Absolutely albie just be more than anything. Be hygienic. More than anything. Havettgntty be hygienic. More than anything. Havettgntty , be hygienic. More than anything. Havedignity , have have some dignity, have a tor have some dignity, have a manicure for goodness. Stop wrtttng manicure for goodness. Stop wrtttngttts manicure for goodness. Stop writing this program. Deal writing into this program. Deal wtth writing into this program. Deal wttt yout writing into this program. Deal with your problems. \t2t writing into this program. Deal with your problems. \ 2 with your problems. No, they need with your problems. No, they need to. With your problems. No, they need us. No, thats true. These people need us. Okay, so weve got another dilemma. Now, this got another dilemma. Now, this came in from reggie. Thank you , came in from reggie. Thank you, reggie. Reggie said, ive saved £20,000 for a deposit on a house, but its not nearly enough. House, but its not nearly enough. Plus, with the climate enough. Plus, with the climate catastrophe that will destroy the planet and the cost of living crisis that has no end in sight should enjoy my sight. Should i just enjoy my money buy cool money now and buy loads of cool stuff . I dont draghi knows what cool stuff is. Im stuff . I dont draghi knows what cool stuff is. Im not going to cool stuff is. Im not going to u. Cool stuff is. Im not going to tte. Okay . Cool stuff is. Im not going to lie. Okay . This cool stuff is. Im not going to lie. Okay . This is f im not going to lie. Okay . This is ridiculous. If lie. Okay . This is ridiculous. Tt youve lie. Okay . This is ridiculous. Tt we got lie. Okay . This is ridiculous. If youve got £20,000 in a cost of if youve got £20,000 in a cost tt ttvtng if youve got £20,000 in a cost of living crisis, if youve got £20,000 in a cost of living crisis, pipe the bleep town. Of living crisis, pipe the bleep town. Tetttyt of living crisis, pipe the bleep down. Really . Yeah. Come on, teggte. Down. Really . Yeah. Come on, teggte. Ette down. Really . Yeah. Come on, teggte. Etve us down. Really . Yeah. Come on, reggie. Give us all a break. When reggie. Give us all a break. When you reggie. Give us all a break. When you have reggie. Give us all a break. When you have this reggie. Give us all a break. When you have this kind reggie. Give us all a break. When you have this kind of apocalyptic and you apocalyptic worldview and you think all going to end think its all going to end anyway, as just go anyway, you may as well just go out party all the time and out and party all the time and spend money. Surely. Spend all your money. Surely. I recently watched the last houday recently watched the last holiday latifah holiday with Queen Latifah and she was misdiagnosed and it was awful. The be awful. The film should be expunget awful. The film should be expungedhistory| awful. The film should be. Expungedhistory of awful. The film should be expungedhistory of all expunged from the history of all and expunged from the history of all ant. Expunged from the history of all ant. Say expunged from the history of all ant. Say to expunged from the history of all and i say to reggie, keep and i say to reggie, no, keep tnat and i say to reggie, no, keep tnat money and i say to reggie, no, keep that money,work and i say to reggie, no, keep that money, work a bit that money, but work a bit nata that money, but work a bit matter at that money, but work a bit harder so you that money, but work a bit harder so you£40,000. Harder so you can get £40,000. Men ta harder so you can get £40,000. Man ta nay then youll be able to buy a tn then youll be able to buy a mansion in the then youll be able to buy a mansion in the highlands. 23 mansion in the highlands. Very tummy. Mansion in the highlands. Very tatctty. Stave. Mansion in the highlands. Very quickly, steve, from mansion in the highlands. Very quickly, steve, from. Any. Quickly, steve, from you, any thoughts queen or thoughts on Queen Latifah or indeed stick to the indeed this . Ill stick to the tanta. Indeed this . Ill stick to the tanta. Mayne indeed this . Ill stick to the topic. Maybe yeah. 3 2 7 ill stick to the topic. Maybe yeah. The topic. Maybe yeah. Keep the money accountl topic. Maybe yeah. Keep the. Money account and money in the bank account and man yeas money in the bank account and then years from i then by about five years from tay then by about five years from mamtaya then by about five years from now,buya tank then by about five years from. Now,buya tank of now, that will buy you a tank of netnt. Now, that will buy you a tank of petrol mata now, that will buy you a tank of petrol. There we now, that will buy you a tank of petrol. petrol. There we go. Wonderful advice from both of my panellists there. Thanks so much for joining us for free speech nafion for joining us for free speech nation the nation this week. This was the week politician was week when a politician was deplatformed for wrongthink. The tories and burned in tories crashed and burned in the local elections new local elections and a new monarch was crowned. Thank you so panel, steve so much to my panel, steve n alan and bruce devlin and to all my guests this evening, andrew bridgen, frazer myers, David OldroydDennis Kavanagh, oldroyd bolt, Dennis Kavanagh, jenny lindsay, j. Shaw jenny lindsay, stephen j. Shaw and Charlie Astor and and Charlie Bentley. Astor and of course, thank you very much to john cleese. And if you want to john cleese. And if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of our wonderful audience, that. Just audience, you can do that. Just go dot sro audiences dot go to ww dot sro audiences dot com. You can come along weve got free drink and food. Its have a great time stay tuned by the way for brilliant mark the way for the brilliant mark dolan coming dolan tonight thats coming up next dont forget headliners next and dont forget headliners is on every night at 11 00 thats the late night paper preview show with comedians taking you through the next days stories. Farewell hello there and greg dewhurst. And welcome to your latest. T2; 2; a� [flag t and welcome to your latest news. Neatnm welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast. Welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast. Well, its all weather forecast. Well, its all mante weather forecast. Well, its all mange atatn weather forecast. Well, its all change again after a fairly tntnt change again after a fairly bright sunday. Change again after a fairly bright sunday. Weve got rain moving bright sunday. Weve got rain mavtnt tn bright sunday. 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Whilst in the west, further heavy showers move in west, further heavy showers move tn mete west, further heavy showers move tn nete ant west, further heavy showers move in here and again west, further heavy showers move in here and again in west, further heavy showers move in here and again in any eanetnen in here and again in any sunshine, temperatures lifting staye sunshine, temperatures lifting stays unsettled sunshine, temperatures lifting stays unsettled wednesday and tnatetay stays unsettled wednesday and tnatetay. Stays unsettled wednesday and thursday. Further rain and thursday. Further rain and etneten thursday. Further rain and come together at big lunches across the uk to continue the celebrations of the kings coronation on the first