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Issues. It comes as sir mark rowley is facing calls to quit over his handling of pro palestinian protests , with pro palestinian protests, with a former home secretary, Suella Braverman, suggesting hes emboldened anti semites. The campaign against anti semitism is also calling for sir mark to resign or be sacked, after its chief executive was described as openly jewish by an officer. The met police have now responded in a statement, saying the assistant commissioner, matt twist, has written to gideon falter to offer a private meeting to apologise and discuss what the met can do to ensure jewish londoners feel safe. This evening, the met will also invite senior representatives from across londons jewish communities as officials from the Mayors Office and members of the house of lords, and selected media to operational planning exercises. A decision by the us to approve £49 billion in aid for ukraine has been welcomed by the uk, with the foreign secretary describing it as a vital step forward. After months of wrangling , american months of wrangling, american politicians ended a deadlock, agreeing to provide a package which will also help replenish weapons and munitions. President weapons and munitions. President zelenskyy says the move will keep the war from expanding and will save thousands of lives. It now heads to the senate, which is expected to pass the bill in the next few days, and a record 50,000 people ran the London Marathon today, most have now crossed the finishing line after completing the 26. 2 mile route, they started just after 10 am, they started just after 10 am, the event raising millions of pounds for charities. Our very own gb news Political Editor , own gb news Political Editor, chris hope, was one of the many who crossed the finishing line today. Well, ive done it. I got round 26. 2 miles, five hours, eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. Had a very sore left hip at some point. That was really hard. But heres the proof. Heres the medal. Thats why you do this. These kind of things raise , i think, over things raise, i think, over £7,000 for scope. Ill check on it online later. Its a great cause. Its moving, its exhausting and its well worth the effort. And if youre mad like me, want to try and run it. 7 for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. Or go to gbnews. Com alerts. Now its back to free speech nation. Its back to free speech nation. The cass review into paediatric gender care has been one of the most important medical reports in recent years, but not everyone is happy about its findings. This is free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. This is the show where we take a look at culture, Current Affairs and politics. And of course, well have the latest from those lovable culture warriors up date with warriors we keep up to date with what to cancel so what theyre trying to cancel so you have to. But coming up you dont have to. But coming up on tonight, the fallout on the show tonight, the fallout continues. Following the landmark, into the landmark, cass review into the services nhs to Services Provided by the nhs to children and people children and young people questioning will questioning their gender, will be findings be analysing the findings with a series guests, including series of guests, including the barrister phillimore. Bev barrister sarah phillimore. Bev jackson, lgb alliance will jackson, from lgb alliance will be as well to tell us about be here as well to tell us about whether the practices exposed by the amount to an the cass review amount to an attack gay rights. Ill also attack on gay rights. Ill also be joined by barrister Robin Moira White for an alternative view and doctor Carrie Mendoza, whos going to join us from the states to examine the reaction to the cass review over there. And, of course, myself and my brilliant will Brilliant Panel will be answering from our answering questions from our rather audience. Rather lovely studio audience. And guests this and my comedian guests this evening cox and lewis evening are paul cox and lewis schaffer, who. Welcome both. Schaffer, who. Welcome both. Did you run the London Marathon today, paul. 7 i was going to, but, in the end, just watch on a giant bacon wrap. Yeah, yeah, just. Yeah, that was a pig. As a pig, i just let other people do it. Yeah i find its much easier to watch it on the telly. Its easier. I learnt that its to watch sport than its easier to watch sport than to occasionally donate. Its easier to watch sport than to you;ionally donate. Its easier to watch sport than to you know. donate. Its easier to watch sport than to you know. Donate. Its easier to watch sport than to you know. Do youe. Its easier to watch sport than to you know. Do you a pound. You know. Do you a pound. You know. Do you a pound. Well, that makes you a better person well, that makes you a better per itn well, that makes you a better perit does well, that makes you a better per it does obviously. Well, that makes you a better perit does obviously. What about it does obviously. What about you, lewis . Imagine running the i can imagine you running the marathon two marathons, actually. This marathon. Won this this marathon. I won this marathon . Yes, by not running, its the only way you ever would know its. You run because when you participate in it, it just creates stress. Its totally bad for your body. Its probably cancer goodness cancer causing. Oh, for goodness sake. No seriously. Seriously, all stress is bad. All stress is bad. Including exercise. Including exercise. No, especially exercise. No, especially exercise. No, especially exercise. Well, you heard it here first. Dont exercise. What a great excuse. Okay well, lets go out to our lovely audience. Weve got question from paul weve got a question from paul where paul . Hi. Where is paul . Hi. For the retraction of the hi. For the retraction of the apology the incident. Should apology for the incident. Should the metropolitan police boss be forced to resign . Yes so weve all seen the clip, havent we . Im sure weve got the clip somewhere, but this is, to do with the met police boss who has put out this statement about what happened when someone was as being openly was referred to as being openly jewish. Can we play the jewish. Can we can we play the clip . Well have a look. Are clip . Well have a look. You are quite openly jewish. A pro palestinian this is a pro palestinian march , right . Im not accusing march, right . Im not accusing you anything, but im worried you of anything, but im worried about reaction your about the reaction to your presence. About the reaction to your pre so ce. Was an apology and so there was an apology and then there was a subsequent an apology for the apology. It got very confusing. Did you have any thoughts on this, paul . Well, you and i both work with openly jewish people on this know. Yes, this channel and we know. Yes, how can at how distressing that can be at times, andrew. But the problem weve got here is i dont think actually he should be sacked. I think the met police need to own this now. Theyve created this two tier policing system , either two tier policing system, either inadvertently or quite deliberately. Ill leave that open to debate. However, now they to own it and they they need to own it and they need to be transparent. I mean, what what that what that what that what that what that police and lets Police Officer there. And lets not lets, know, lets not not lets, you know, lets not beat around the bush. A beat around the bush. Its a difficult job, right . The way from to bottom, you know, difficult job, right . The way frontheirto bottom, you know, difficult job, right . The way frontheir overlords, you know, difficult job, right . The way frontheir overlords, y0|very w, and their overlords are very much woke culture much part of the woke culture war. Yes. And very much on that side of things. But at the end side of things. But at the end of the day, how can how can you, how can you accuse someone being openly jewish . Well, heres the thing. I mean, if you substituted that for any other racial group, you know, it wouldnt even be a conversation, would it . Black, right . Conversation, would it . I black, right . Conversation, would it . I ithisz, right . Conversation, would it . I ithis isight . Conversation, would it . I ithis is what i mean, this is what im talking about. The use of talking about. Its the use of the should be a red the language should be a red line anyway. But weve seen this before well. You know, before as well. You know, whenever theres protests and theres someone not even whenever theres protests and ticounter protest, not even whenever theres protests and ticounter protest, someone a counter protest, but someone there attacked, there who might be attacked, they that person they often move that person away. It looks like theyre away. And it looks like theyre blaming its blaming that person. Its happened billboard, happened to billboard, chris, whos show. You whos been on this show. You know, the police of know, why are the police sort of dragging people who arent dragging people away who arent the the problem of the problem, the problem of those might cause those who might cause the attack, right. So quite interestingly, what theyre saying by saying that hes provocative, being hes being provocative, by being there is that the protest is dangerous way, is dangerous in some way, which is what theyve denied up until now, because its all been interesting, its always interesting, because its always been what theyre been peaceful. What theyre saying here, been peaceful. What theyre sawould here, been peaceful. What theyre sawould just here, been peaceful. What theyre sawould just one here, been peaceful. What theyre sawould just one jewish it would create just one jewish guy create and turn them guy would create and turn them into this nasty mob. It does. You know, i understand that the polices is to keep the the polices job is to keep the peace that is peace and that that is difficult, people difficult, but jewish people should walk wherever should be able to walk wherever they free society. We they want in a free society. We saw this in edinburgh with the guy asked the police to guy being asked by the police to hide star of david. Yeah, hide his star of david. Yeah, i mean, on, thats not thats mean, come on, thats not thats not 2024 britain, it . Not 2024 britain, is it . It is unfortunately. What this this what this guy this what this what this guy did, which why he should be did, which is why he should be arrested. Basically arrested. Is he basically embarrassed . Being embarrassed . The cops for being not police the street . The man, the jewish man arrested . Well, if i were the police, id him arrested. Id want him arrested. Such a contrarian, for its such a contrarian, for goodness sake. You what the thing is . You know what the thing is . Hes speaking openly hes speaking as an openly jewish man yourself. Im not openly i dont know openly jewish. I dont know where dont wear, dont wear where i dont wear, i dont wear yarmulke. Not like some yarmulke. Im not like some of those jews who like those jews who wear like a flavour flav jewish star on their, all the their, you talk about it all the time. Do amongst amongst time. I do amongst amongst people are not going to hit people who are not going to hit me. But i do absolutely no me. Okay, but i do absolutely no one i think ive made one i do, and i think ive made a mistake aligning myself a mistake by aligning myself with im not even with the jews. Im not even jewish. Italian, i think jewish. Im italian, and i think it i did become jewish. In it was. I did become jewish. In order to get ahead in the comedy business. And the point im making is serious true, it not, serious and true, is it not, that people should be able to want to walk wherever they want in free country . In a free country . This is your problem is, and this is your problem is, is youre always talking equivalence and fairness. Theres this theres no fairness in this country. People are afraid country. The people are afraid of protesters. Theyre of those protesters. Theyre not afraid a jews. There are afraid of a few jews. There are so jews in this country, so so few jews in this country, so few jews the world. So. Few jews in the world. So. Point was but pauls point was, was interesting, it, that interesting, wasnt it, that theyve all along, theyve been saying all along, these are peaceful . Yeah these marches are peaceful . Yeah theres nothing to worry about. Well, these are well, if these marches are peaceful, why are they worried about someone whos obviously jewish . Youre you make a very good its not. Good point there, but its not. Come sorry. Come on. Sorry. Yeah, youve hit the hit. Yeah, but youve hit the hit. The nail on the head is, is people are afraid of these people are afraid of these people are afraid of these people are marching. Theyre people who are marching. Theyre afraid if the cops afraid of it. And if the cops are afraid of it. So if the cops you. You shouldnt fire this quy you. You shouldnt fire this guy. Hes. Is he . Hes hes guy. Hes. What is he . Hes hes got he knows cant bring his got he knows he cant bring his troops got he knows he cant bring his trocmaybe afraid because maybe theyre afraid because of of the anti semitic of some of the anti semitic placards are placards that people are carrying that thing, carrying and that kind of thing, or terrorism or like or or terrorism maybe, or like or whats going on around the world historically, the arena historically, or the arena bombing, the bombing, you know, or or the fact as english. I agree fact that we as english. I agree , intimidated. That , people are intimidated. That is lets move on a is true. Lets move on to a question from ryan. Good evening. Hello. Should mayors shut down the right wing conferences . Mayors is in the horses , as mayors is in the horses, as in, no, im not getting involved in, no, im not getting involved in politics as in mayor. Mayors , mayors of cities. Mayors, mayors of cities. Mayors, mayors of cities. Yes. So this is to do with the natcon conference, of course, in brussels. Sorry, im being childish. No, youre being rude. He no, youre being rude. He slept his way all the way here to the studio on a sunday night, and youre like, basically. Hey, ive slept all my way from the south atlantic ocean. Its your show. Its your show. Its so lazy, so, show. Its. Its so lazy, so, this is the natcon conference. Of course, in brussels. It was briefly closed down. Mayor briefly closed down. The mayor was saying, you know, they want to it because right to shut it down because right wing people were speaking. The police initially carried it out and i mean, you know, people like Suella Braverman nigel farage, going on . Farage, i mean, whats going on . Idea that being well, the idea that being conservative be conservative now should be illegal and shut down is quite preposterous. Theres like preposterous. Like theres like theres only one side of politics now, and it has to be whatever is dictated by the mob. What was the justification here . Well, the justification there is no justification. The point is, they just didnt want those voices heard. Right. I voices to be heard. Right. I think that particular mayor think the that particular mayor was, certain bent was, of a certain bent politically. And he didnt want politically. And he didnt want personally. He didnt want to hear those voices. But what i dont understand about that is can he not see that once you set that precedent, it will be used against him in with a when against him in a with a when someone is in charge. Someone else is in charge. Mean, think that he i mean, youd think that he would, because all hes really done given that no one would done is given that no one would have known that was going have known that con was going on. Be honest. Maybe a few on. Lets be honest. Maybe a few of us may known, but most of us may have known, but most people known people wouldnt have known it was. Have known. Yeah. Was. Wed have known. Yeah. There. Yeah, yeah, nigel was there. Yeah, yeah, we knew. But i mean is the but what i mean is the Greater Public had no idea, i dont and a result, dont think. And as a result, they all about it. And they now all know about it. And collectively theyre all wondering going on. Ive wondering whats going on. Ive heard the going, heard voices on the left going, well, this is ridiculous. Well, because, believe it or not, voices not, there are still some voices on who believe that on the left who believe that free speech and Free Assembly is important. I know theyre dwindling but there dwindling in number, but there are still some on the left sticking come louis, sticking out, come on, louis, youre going say that they youre going to say that they should shut it down. I know should have shut it down. I know that well, it was its its that well, it was its a its a threat to them. I mean, its part of what i have said for years now. Theres a battle, a war going on between nafion a battle, a war going on between nation and team world, nation states and team world, which the is the idea which is the which is the idea of kumbaya german, french of this kumbaya german, french left wing axis with which have no borders, which have no boundaries, which people can do what they want. Was it team world who was shutting down the. Yes, it was, it was called it was called a National National conference. Conservative right. Conference. Conservative right. And that and that people are and that has and that people are against the nation state isnt the broader problem that theres a growing intolerance in these times of political tribalism . Anyone a dissenting to anyone with a dissenting point view, isnt point of view, it isnt just that that that you disagree, its that youre evil and therefore if youre evil and therefore if youre evil, we can justify shutting you down. Yes, thats true because yes, yes, thats true because its like what you talk about the silos, know, got the silos, you know, youve got to completely one to be in a completely in one silo youre in the other silo. And i and i do say, louis, i mean, we see this historically on all sides of the political spectrum. I dont think its just wing problem. I just a left wing problem. I think right throughout think the right in throughout history as well. History have done this as well. It just so happens that at the moment, the left are the ones that reason, that for some reason, think authoritarianism the way to go. Because because heres ill tell what the explanation tell you what the explanation is. Just ask me is is. You should just ask me is ask me. Louis is because theyre winning. Winning. Ask me. Louis is because theyre winning. Winning. And winning. They are winning. And they they have they think that they have the weight world and the they think that they have the weightconsciousness and the they think that they have the weightconsciousness on their moral consciousness on their side. Theres more them side. And theres more of them than there are. Okay. Well, lets lets get another question now , lets move another question now, lets move on to carol. Carol, hello. Hello. Evening, on to carol. Carol, hello. Hello. Evening , well, the hello. Good evening, well, the smoking ban saved the nhs. Well yeah, they said no, i know they introduced this in new zealand, hadnt introduced this in new zealand, hadnt they . And this is the smoking ban. And this is the smoking ban. So effectively it means that if you are born after i think it was 22,007, you wont be able to buy cigarettes as an adult throughout the rest of your life. And theyre sort of putting this now. When i heard about the when they introduced this with new zealand, i genuinely thats genuinely thought, thats insane. It wouldnt insane. At least it wouldnt happen here. And im not a smoker, by the way, but i, i like smokers, some of them are okay, arent they . Are okay. No, millom are okay. No, i actually like being them. Actually like being around them. I smell. Yeah. Its i like the smell. Yeah. Its nice, its nice, but the thing is, my grandmother used to chain smoke was in smoke around me when i was in the so maybe its to do the crib, so maybe its to do with but the thing is, with that. But the thing is, dont think this an odd dont you think this is an odd thing . Ultimately this is. Thing . That ultimately this is. Well, phrase, the nanny well, that phrase, the nanny state overused, but state is kind of overused, but it is true that if the government is saying what you can do with your body, can choose to do with your body, we love nanny state how. Now. I mean, this is beyond the nanny now. This is like nanny state now. This is like authoritarian nanny state. Its like mary poppins. Authoritarian nanny state. Its likethisy poppins. Authoritarian nanny state. Its likethis is doppins. Authoritarian nanny state. Its likethis is theiins. Authoritarian nanny state. Its likethis is the conservatives. This is the conservatives. This is the conservatives. After being addicted to crack. But what version of mary poppins did you know . New one on netflix . Theres a new one on netflix . Andrew, up with it. Andrew, youll catch up with it. But, dont think it does but, so i dont think it does save the nhs, right . I think because the biggest killer isnt cigarettes. What is it . Its fat people. Yeah theyre not sitting on anyone. Im not. Im not going around sitting on people. But heart disease. Heart. Well, there are all sorts of ways in which you can put a burden on the nhs needlessly. The n hs needlessly. The nhs needlessly. But alcohol by alcohol is a much bigger problem. Absolutely. And im a libertarian. I think people should kill should be able to kill themselves however they want. Should be able to kill therknow, s however they want. Should be able to kill therknow,s how should ey want. Should be able to kill therknow,s how should be want. To you know, they should be able to go there. Nhs shouldnt go out there. The nhs shouldnt have support that. By the have to support that. By the way, thats my way, thats not my counterargument isnt the counterargument to it isnt the point that its all very well informing the public the informing the public of the dangers dangers dangers of alcohol, the dangers of ithink dangers of alcohol, the dangers of i think thats fine. And as i think thats fine. And as long people are informed, long as people are informed, they can make their choices they can make their own choices properly. What you properly. Right but what you cant is the nhs saying, cant have is the nhs saying, were going treat you if were not going to treat you if you get ill for something that youve yourself. Youve inflicted on yourself. I mean, that could never work, could it . Theyre theyre not well, theyre theyre not treating things that we treating us for things that we dont inflict ourselves. Dont inflict on ourselves. I mean, the nhs is like famous for not treating people is not treating people well. Is that its like one more that so . So its like one more thing theyre not treating you for. You didnt even realise you were treated. Anything were not treated. Anything that comes, anything that comes out of going be of new zealand is going to be rubbish. Personal. Well rubbish. Nothing personal. Well jacinda, ardern, jacinda, jacinda ardern, shark attacks, lord of attacks, lorde tattoos, lord of the was great. Yeah. Tattoos. Anyway, weve got weve got to move on. Unfortunately, lewis, enjoying but lewis, i was enjoying that. But we time. But next on we dont have time. But next on free speech nation, were going to our investigation to be starting our investigation into findings of the into the findings of the landmark review child landmark cass review into child gender services. And well be joined barrister, sarah joined by the barrister, sarah phillimore. Go phillimore. So please do not go anywhere. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. So, just over a week ago, doctor hilary cass, the former president of the Royal College of paediatrics and child health, produced her much awaited review of nhs gender identity of the nhs gender Identity Services for children and young people. And the report found that Evidence Base for that the Evidence Base for gender medicine in young people was thin children had been was thin and children had been let by a toxic public let down by a toxic Public Discourse gender and it discourse around gender and it also found that the now closed gender Identity Development service , or the service, or gids, at the tavistock and Portman Nhs Foundation trust, used puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. Despite weak evidence despite remarkably weak evidence that they improved the health of young people. So here to discuss young people. So here to discuss this, im delighted to be joined by the barrister campaigner by the barrister and campaigner sarah the sarah phillimore. Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the show. Show. Welcome back to the show. Its always a pleasure to have you. Thank its always a pleasure to have you. Thank you, lets talk about the cass review then. What do you think are the most important findings from your perspective . I think theres about findings from your perspective . Recommendations. Es about findings from your perspective . Recommendations. Es ab oft 31 recommendations. A lot of it is service that is about the service that children because this children need. Yes, because this clearly a report saying clearly isnt a report saying being wrong. Lets stop being trans is wrong. Lets stop it. Saying there are lots it. Its saying there are lots of children who are very distressed. Current services distressed. The Current Services are them down. Lot are letting them down. So a lot of the recommendations are looking gritty of looking at the nitty gritty of how should develop. Looking at the nitty gritty of how im should develop. Looking at the nitty gritty of how im particularlyievelop. Looking at the nitty gritty of how im particularly interested what im particularly interested in recommendations. In are the recommendations. Well, puberty well, obviously the puberty blockers already knew that well, obviously the puberty blocherent already knew that well, obviously the puberty blocherent goingy knew that well, obviously the puberty blocherent going to new that well, obviously the puberty blocherent going to bev that they werent going to be prescribed because nhs prescribed because the nhs changed the 14th changed its policy on the 14th of march. Yes. Whats very interesting, is what interesting, though, is what she says about cross sex says about the cross sex hormones, nhs did have hormones, because nhs did have quite a strict policy about how they were to be prescribed, cass has because the evidence has said, because the evidence is awful. I mean, you said it is so awful. I mean, you said it was thin. I think what the bmj said, commenting the cass said, commenting on the cass review, that there is an review, is that there is an evidence void. So she has said extreme needed and extreme caution is needed and recommendation nine is possibly the most interesting. There will have to be effectively a Second Opinion for any prescription. A Multi Disciplinary Team will need to review any decision to prescribe to a 16 year old. Now thats interesting because no private clinic can offer that. Private clinic can offer that. And theres one private clinic at the moment, gender plus, who is regulated by the cqc to prescribe hormones. Now i think prescribe hormones. Now i think the cqc need to look again at its regulation criteria. And of course youre aware there is a judicial review coming of its decision to regulate gender. Plus. Yes, well, i saw doctor alan kelly, who was from a private gender clinic, sort of an interview on novara media saying that he we, you know, we can we can prescribe these to you. Dont worry. You can work around the nhs effectively selling, selling but actually selling the drugs. But actually it that isnt it looks like that that isnt going be possible. It looks like that that isnt goiii] be possible. It looks like that that isnt goiii] b itpossible. It looks like that that isnt goiii] b it wontle. It looks like that that isnt goiii] b it wont be. It looks like that that isnt goiii] bit wont be. I mean, i hope it wont be. I mean, the thing about doctor kelly is we know his provenance. He comes from tavistock and so do all from the tavistock and so do all his staff. They are wedded to the path. And that, the affirmation path. And that, to has the most to me, has been the most chilling thing about the reaction review. Reaction to the cass review. Not, we may have got not, oh, crikey, we may have got this horribly wrong, but shes a transphobic. Shes a fascist. Its lets just get on its wrong. Lets just get on with giving children what they say they need. Although was probably although that was probably a predictable from a lot predictable response from a lot of activists. Im im shocked, perhaps naively so. Thought thered be naively so. I thought thered be a more embarrassed silence a lot more embarrassed silence i didnt see. For didnt expect to see. For example, Patrick Harvey refusing to admit it was wrong to call this a transphobic report even in the light of doctor cass reporting shes been advised not to use public transport. Now i mean, its have you ever known anything like this . I mean, that element is, of course, shocking. You course, very shocking. And, you know, one of the senior know, this is one of the senior paediatricians in the world, you know, a rigorous report over four should taken four years. It should be taken seriously. Absolutely. But youre people youre right, a lot of people arent doing so, so how do we deal with because deal with that . Because ultimately this kind of ultimately there is this kind of brick mentality among brick wall mentality among certain who just didnt certain people who just didnt well, it didnt come up with what they wanted it come up with. Well, i hope its the dead cat bounce. Its the desperate, panicked reaction of a group of people have not just people who have married not just their reputations, but their very their being truth very sanity to their being truth in an ideology that says children as young as three have a gender identity, they know it. And our job as adults is simply and ourjob as adults is simply to guide them on that pathway to medication. Then surgery. I medication. And then surgery. I wonder were wonder if thats what were seeing and hopefully will seeing and that hopefully will at stage wear itself out. At some stage wear itself out. But going back to the private clinics, we know weve got the hopefully the judicial review coming gender plus that coming up of gender plus that well at regulation. Well look at their regulation. Weve other problem weve got the other problem though of gender gp. Though havent we, of gender gp. Now remember doctor Mike Webberley struck off after webberley was struck off after providing blockers to providing puberty blockers to a nine year following a 20 nine year old following a 20 minute zoom call during which the child speak. There the child did not speak. There were lots of other patients. I think there are at least 21, he was investigated regarding his wife, doctor helen managed to escape being struck off despite never discussing issues of fertility with an 11 Year Old Girl and her mother, for whom she prescribed testosterone. Now she prescribed testosterone. Now doctor Helen Webberley has been utterly unrepentant about this and says, basically, sod the acas review, sod the nhs will give the kids what they need. So i think the governments really got to show its commitment to some of the encouraging statements. There needs to be action taken against these people. Now, when say action, do now, when you say action, do you criminal action . You mean criminal action . Think should be yes. I think it should be criminalised do what helen criminalised to do what Helen Webberley doing webberley is doing to exist outside regulations and be outside of uk regulations and be prescribing to prescribing testosterone to young and i think if the young girls and i think if the government doesnt act and im really actually pleased by some of the strong pronouncements made, we act by way of made, then we must act by way of private prosecution, because weve cas our ethical weve got cas now as our ethical and factual ballast. So if the government wont act or are slow to act, then weve got to do it. Is there a fear, though . I mean, im talking later in the show to doctor Carrie Mendoza from america about about how its being received over there. And american and i noticed that the American Media this. Media are barely touching this. I when things are i know notice when things are going about this that are going up about this that are supportive of cas review on supportive of the cas review on youtube. Getting hit youtube. Theyre getting hit with a context youtube. With a context notes by youtube. You a big weight you know, theres a big weight of Global Opinion against that has a prejudice against cas and the findings of her review. We just have to continue in this country to do what we can to protect children and hope that message is taken up abroad. Obviously we cant interfere with to do with what the us decides to do legally , but its a very legally, but its a very significant note that cas found only sweden and finland to produce reliable guidelines and found w path discredited. Now i know whats recently happened in america. With biden passing into law. Gender identity on a america. With biden passing into law. Gender identity on a par with sex. I think its now for americans to take the wheel in their own country. We will do what we can for american children, but obviously we cant influence their laws. But one influence their laws. But one thing that is coming down the track, remember 9000 track, remember the 9000 children who funnelled children who were funnelled through tavistock, through the tavistock, six out of of the clinics of seven of the gender clinics refused to cooperate with cas and give her the data. Now, that can for be two reasons. Can only for be two reasons. A they didnt keep the data. Theyre going to be revealed as incompetent, know incompetent, or b they know exactly what data is going exactly what that data is going to remarkably poor outcomes to show remarkably poor outcomes for cohort. For that cohort. Well, we dont have data sufficiently on detransitioners or regret in later life. And partly its because, as you say, theres this reticence to either hand maybe it just hand it over or maybe it just doesnt exist. Doesnt exist. Thats the other big well, thats the other big lie taken hold, isnt it, lie thats taken hold, isnt it, that only 1 of people detransition and cas makes detransition and as cas makes clear, there is simply no evidence to make any assertion about detransition. However, i would note that the reddit group for detransitioners, i think , for detransitioners, i think, now has 57,000 members. Theres legal actions being brought in the states. Theres legal actions here. Richie herron so thatis actions here. Richie herron so that is the other big lie that we need to topple. I dont know what the rate is, but my suspicion is its going to have to be more than 1 because youre looking at a group of children, often with internalised homophobia, mental health, comorbidities adverse health, comorbidities, adverse childhood experiences, being given as the cure for given medication as the cure for everything that ailed them. And of course, it wont be. Can i ask you a bigger question . You mentioned earlier the affirming approach and the idea of gender affirming care is that a child says theyre in the wrong body, says that they have an identity, an innate gender identity, and the doctor initially Must Immediately affirm that. But isnt this an effectively a kind of pseudo religious belief . And if thats the case, why is the nhs even entertaining it to begin with . Oh, absolutely. Ive been saying that for a long time. Its and so many others. Its not me being particularly clever. Gender identity is like the soul. You see, the reaction when you go against identity. Its against gender identity. Its the as a fervently the same as a fervently religious when say religious person. When you say you believe anger, the you dont believe the anger, the rage, lack of evidence, the rage, the lack of evidence, the punishment apostate, punishment for the apostate, thats very i mean, its thats very clear. I mean, its going be, i hope, in about going to be, i hope, in about ten years time, therell be a lot of books written about how the this happen . The hell did this happen . But i think laid think the groundwork was laid decades see, the yogyakarta decades ago. See, the yogyakarta principles a lot seemed principles a lot of money seemed to funnelled into this in the to be funnelled into this in the late 90s about how gender identity was going to be elevated above sex at cost. Elevated above sex at any cost. It became a human rights, a Civil Liberties issue. And then for some bizarre reason, we havent got quite got to the bottom of this yet. Doctor otters were persuaded to go against the fundamental ethical tenets of their profession. First, do harm if youre first, do no harm if youre going to be innovative. Thats wonderful. We need doctors to be innovative, but they need to collect data. Well what do collect the data. Well what do you say to the critics of the review who will say but data, when it comes to paediatric medicine, is notoriously difficult actually difficult to locate and actually , we shouldnt be. I mean, aidan kelly, i mean, doctor aidan kelly, on very interview that i on that very interview that i mentioned that actually, mentioned said that actually, yeah, have that yeah, wed love to have that Gold Standard of firm data on everything, actually its everything, but actually its neither desirable neither possible nor desirable when gender. When it comes to gender. Seems to me such an that just seems to me such an insanely stupid thing to say when know that 9000 children when we know that 9000 children have tavistock, have gone through the tavistock, where now . Are they where are they now . Are they living their best lives happy and transitioned . They and transitioned . I hope they are. Andrew, i would be are. You see, andrew, i would be delighted be wrong this delighted to be wrong about this because am right, that is because if i am right, that is 9000 children whove been depnved 9000 children whove been deprived of fertility, of adult sexual function. And it was all done for an adult ideology with no Evidence Base. And i think no Evidence Base. And i think the difference i know everyones saying, oh, its both sides, its both sides. I think the its both sides. I think the difference between my side and the gender identity side is i will be delighted to be wrong. And say, hallelujah, the and i will say, hallelujah, the other side. However, when that data in shows what i data comes in and shows what i believe will, that believe it will, that that cohort lives blighted, cohort had their lives blighted, they lie about it. They will simply lie about it. Well, weve seen now, well, well, that weve seen now, well, thats criticism of well, that weve seen now, well, thatsisnt criticism of well, that weve seen now, well, thatsisnt it, criticism of well, that weve seen now, well, thatsisnt it, thaticism of well, that weve seen now, well, thatsisnt it, that actually cass, isnt it, that actually she been sufficiently she hasnt been sufficiently compassionate the children compassionate to the children involved compassionate to the children involve read the review, and ive read the review, and i dont think thats thats the case all. Case at all. Well, you cannot say that in good faith unless you have some quite learning quite serious learning difficulties. Vie the compassion difficulties. Vie the compassion that she feels for this children is fundamentally displayed throughout that she throughout that report. She directly addresses the children she knows she is going to disappoint, but this is the dynamic between adults and children. We dont say , i will children. We dont say, i will give you everything you want, so youll be my friend and youll love me. You say, i am the adult here and im not going to give you what you want. Im going to give you what you need because you are a child and i know better. So that is effectively what she says. And says it what she says. And she says it with compassion. So thats with deep compassion. So thats just lie, another very just another lie, another very stupid lie. Stupid and irritating lie. Phillimore, thank you sarah phillimore, thank you ever for joining sarah phillimore, thank you ever forjoining me. So ever so much forjoining me. So next speech nation. Not next on free speech nation. Not all commentators have accepted the cass review unreservedly. Barrister Robin Moira White will be here to explain why some people have issues with the report. Dont anywhere welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. So weve been hearing tonight about some of the damning conclusions drawn by the cass review into the provision of gender Identity Services for under eighteens by nhs however we also nhs england. However we also need to acknowledge that some commentators argue that the report paints distorted report paints a distorted picture. Discuss some picture. So here to discuss some of concerns is im of these concerns is im delighted to be joined by the barrister, Robin Moira White. Welcome the show. Now robin , welcome to the show. Now robin, you are not a fan of the cass review. You described the Research Undertaken by doctor hilary cass as laughably poor. Can you explain why youve come to that conclusion . Yeah i think lets start from the fact that trans people have felt let down over years by a government and services. So if youre an adult, services. So if youre an adult , the so if youre an adult, the waiting time currently is decades to be seen. And i think decades to be seen. And i think what most people feel is that most trans people feel is a fundamental sadness that here was an opportunity wasted , now was an opportunity wasted, now we it would take longer than your show to grind through the science. So ive tried to make some quick points with a few graphics that would help. And graphics that would help. And im grateful to your your folk for getting those ready. If we for getting those ready. If we could put the first slide up , could put the first slide up, the first picture up. Now this is , the womens rights is, the womens rights conference in saudi arabia. Is conference in saudi arabia. Is there a missing element . Women and thats the first position with the cass review that a very early stage , it was determined early stage, it was determined that people who are you were talking about different approaches in terms of affirmation , that no one who affirmation, that no one who supports affirmation could be part of the core study. And there is no trans person who was part of the core group. Would that imagine a report on womens rights with no women in the group or gay rights with not a gay gay people, group or gay rights with not a gay gay people, and deliberately excluded . So in terms of, i assume, what you were talking about, there is the studies that were deemed to be too low quality to include in the final review is that, no, no, im looking at the thats a point about the review overall. Yes. So ill come on to some specific criticisms. Did speak to a number of people whove through this people whove been through this this did took this treatment. And she did took a compassionate approach in a very compassionate approach in doing so. But im looking at indeed. But im looking at the outcomes of the report and lets move on to the presentation. If we could put the first graph up that id supplied. Now this is actually a page from the report. And you can see that what you have is an exponential rise. Apparently in the number of people being referred to gids at tavistock. The trouble with it is that graph cuts off at 2014. And if we put the next graph up. Right here are the true figures and what the figures for the next few years. And what you actually see is that the graph weve seen is a slice of the data. And the is a slice of the data. And the data have plateaued. So the number of referrals instead of that scary exponential rise and the report doesnt make this point. And indeed we have data later than the graph that ive shown that im showing here, which shows that actually the number of people reported have plateaued. Doesnt plateaued. The report doesnt say clear, view is so to be clear, your view is that exponential which that the exponential rise which you you wouldnt you im sure you wouldnt disagree with that has taken place, you that its place, but you feel that its not so much of a worry because it has plateaued, and that it has since plateaued, and that that have been mentioned that should have been mentioned by review isnt. By the cass review and isnt. And if what we were looking at is, i mean, the at is, i mean, one of the ways in young have been in which young people have been let down is, is the immensely long time. That they long waiting time. So that they were puberty before they long waiting time. So that they were going puberty before they long waiting time. So that they were going |geterty before they long waiting time. So that they were going |get help. Efore they long waiting time. So that they were going |get help. And they were going to get help. And a scary like that is saying, scary graph like that is saying, well, look, cant cope with well, look, we cant cope with this, whereas actually we know well, look, we cant cope with this, the reas actually we know well, look, we cant cope with this, the numbersally we know well, look, we cant cope with this, the numbers are. Ne know what the numbers are. I do understand what youre saying about the strength of feeling and the way in which that some will feel let that some people will feel let down the conclusions down because the conclusions reached, findings reached reached, the findings reached didnt they didnt align with what they wanted say. Of wanted them to say. But of course, ultimately this is, you know, very reputable know, a very reputable paediatrician very paediatrician working very rigorously years time. Rigorously for four years time. I think its fair. Surely i dont think its fair. Surely its not fair. It should be taken seriously in terms of what . Findings. What . Her findings. Sorry. Ive looked at im sorry. Ive not looked at the reputation. Ive been looking at what the outcomes and the outputs, and there are some very weird things said in the report. Report says, for report. The report says, for example, that providing puberty blockers does not alleviate. It blockers does not alleviate. It hasnt been shown to alleviate gender dysphoria. Well its never intended to. All it does is not make matters worse. Now, is not make matters worse. Now, its a very weird thing to say that something doesnt do what it was never intended to do. I suppose my concern here is that it feels like youre taking small things that you you disagree with from a 388 page report, and using that as a means to kind of they call it nut picking, dont they sort of just discredit the whole just try and discredit the whole thing. The point, thing. Isnt the broad point, though, concern you that though, of concern to you that the broad finding about the cassies broad finding about puberty there puberty blockers, that there is no evidential threshold, no bafis no evidential threshold, no basis evidence for their basis in evidence for their efficacy . Shouldnt that be of efficacy . Shouldnt that be of concern if we dont have the data about what happens in later life . Yeah. Shouldnt that concern you . Concern you . Well, we do have data. I mean, for example, in the last week or so , a 9000 person study week or so, a 9000 person study based in perth in australia was published that provides exactly that information. And one of the one of the really concerning things about the report is that the recommendation is to move from a type of treatment to effectively no treatment or any talking therapy. And where is talking therapy. And where is the evidence that talking therapy is efficacious . Sorry, but the 9000 people in the perth study , whats the the perth study, whats the findings of that that the that there is no loss of data. So one of the, one of the criticisms being made is that we dont find the detransitioners because they go off and hide. Yes now the perth study says no, we have complete follow up because the australian system is rather from ours. Rather different from ours. There is a holistic approach in australia and they stay with the people concerned and its supporting the level of detransition thats been reported previously around the single percent mark. But my understanding is that the existing studies that we have that have some kind of follow up only retain that follow up only retain that follow up only retain that follow up if people are still identified as and are identified as trans and are reporting back to the doctors. Well, some of them thats well, some of them do. Thats absolutely true. I am not absolutely true. And i am not going say that its not good going to say that its not good to have better data. Right. But to have better data. Right. But to say that the data we have supports effectively a do nothing approach for which there is no evidence there is there are no saying, lets not shes not ruling anything out. What shes saying is we need to have the data before we undertake what could be very, very damaging medical procedures on children. Understanding what cass actually really actually says is really difficult because they there was an organisation called the kent trust who met with a doctor, cass, shortly after that, and the last slide id ask for is, is a quote from the meeting with doctor cass. Do we have that , doctor cass. Do we have that, please . Yeah. And there we are. Please . Yeah. And there we are. So is that message consistent with whats being said by the people who are lauding the report and saying, gosh, thats great. Were not going to do this anymore. But isnt that precisely what shes saying is that we need more evidence, we need more long term studies. We need data. We needed all those adult needed all of those seven adult gender clinics provide that gender clinics to provide that data, than deliberately data, rather than deliberately withholding mean, out withholding it. I mean, six out of thats a thats of the seven, thats a thats troubling, isnt it . Whats is that they whats troubling is that they were concerned were sufficiently only concerned about of report about the approach of the report that they withheld that data. Now, i dont think we have complete clarity as to why at the moment. Yes. And its important to see that. But cass does acknowledge that there people that that there are some people that she met for whom the puberty she has met for whom the puberty blocking treatment been blocking treatment has been helpful. That is helpful. Right. So that is something is acknowledged. Yeah. And i being careful about and i im being careful about not talking about i mean, im anecdotally i know young trans people who been through the people who have been through the process which is being looked at and are very living, very successful lives and very happy lives. Its right to look at lives. And its right to look at the balance between those. That process helps and those that process helps and those that process doesnt help. Yes, but to just junk the evidence that we do have and say not good enough. Im just concerned about the idea that evidence was junked. It was there was a selectivity regarding the quality of evidence and that the high quality evidence, the high quality evidence, the high quality studies were retained. The sorry , the highest quality the sorry, the highest quality of which there were two. Then the high quality studies and the medium quality studies, and that those findings were indeed incorporated into the final review. So its not the case that she was junking every particular with respect. Particular view with respect. Not the medium. Theyre not the medium. Quality studies provide a large body evidence that says this body of evidence that says this is a helpful approach. Yes. And we dont have evidence for the do nothing approach. And though that evidence does not find its way through into the reports conclusions, but you wouldnt support low quality studies making their into because making their way into because youll up with well, we youll end up with a. Well, we had had high, medium and low had we had high, medium and low and quite a lot of medium and we had quite a lot of medium quality studies. And the double blind study, i think cass has now acknowledged that you cant do a double blind study in this area. Thats right. You just cant not put give people a placebo and not put them through puberty when theyre expecting a blocker. No. And that we cant do that. Never asserted or attempted. Thats why the newcastle ottawa scale was adopted instead. Scale was adopted instead. Thats right. But there is still a suggestion that there has to be a control group for it to be a high quality study, and that means youre never going to get like quality study. But i think thats why the medium quality studies were incorporated into the findings. Incorporated, but they were incorporated, but they through into they dont follow through into they dont follow through into the recommendations. Now that that ongoing, there that process is ongoing, there are a number of trans related organisations that are working our way through the report. And in the coming weeks, i think youre going to see the reasons why cass cass has been panned internationally, as im sure you know, you were mentioning this a little earlier on your show , little earlier on your show, cass has been panned internationally, is not supported internationally. Ali. Supported internationally. Ali. Well, ive seen that from activist bodies. I havent seen that from like the american. Relevant medical the relevant medical association in america who already said that . Who are not like groups such as w path which i do. No no no no. Forgive me the group of american doctors who treat people in this circumstance in america have already said that they dont like the look of cass. No. And my contention is that activist bodies have infiltrated most medical institutions. Most medical institutions. Well, i dont think thats true. Well, but let me ask you, though, if it were the case that ultimately we did have all the data and ultimately it did turn out this wasnt that maybe out that this wasnt that maybe this for certain this was right for certain individuals, for the individuals, but for the majority it wasnt. It was detrimental. Would you at that point well, lets lets point say, well, lets lets find different approach. Find a different approach. The point can you i think the point we can you and would agree on is that and i would agree on is that there are definitely individuals for this approach is right, for whom this approach is right, and there are definitely individuals this individuals for whom this approach will ultimately turn out. And im sure out to be wrong. And im sure neither neither you nor i would disagree about that. And finding where the balance is between that , like with any form of that, like with any form of medical treatment, is the right thing to do. But if you get medical treatment, thats really helpful for a substantial group to say , we wait forever to work to say, we wait forever to work out how tiny the group is. That arent helped when weve good evidence. It may not be the best evidence. It may not be the best evidence in the world, but good evidence in the world, but good evidence that its really helpful for a large group. Then we be avoiding people we shouldnt be avoiding people being able to access that type of care. I think thats also where contention lies, where the contention lies, because dont think cass because i dont think cass and the findings suggest that the findings would suggest that there good evidence for that. There is good evidence for that. I think suggesting there is good evidence for that. Needi think suggesting there is good evidence for that. Needi trhave suggesting there is good evidence for that. Needi trhave the suggesting there is good evidence for that. Needi trhave the evidence 1g we need to have the evidence before proceed, is before we proceed, which is obvious, us back to obvious, which brings us back to the of the work thats the quality of the work thats been okay well, robin, im been done. Okay well, robin, im thrilled that youve come on to talk and i hope talk about this and i hope youll back again to continue. Very happy. Very happy. Thanks very for speaking thanks very much for speaking to after the break, bev to me. So after the break, bev jackson from lgb alliance will be here to tell us about whether the practices exposed by the cass review amount to attack on gay please do not go gay rights. Please do not go anywhere welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation. Returning now to the nation. Returning now to the cass review. And one of the many concerns raised is that many of the young people treated by the nhs are same sex orientated, and theyre being steered towards drugs so they can align with their so called gender identity. Their so called gender identity. And many organisations who promote this questionable doctrine are those who were originally set up to promote gay rights. So here to discuss this, im joined by one of the co founders of alliance, bev co founders of lgb alliance, bev jackson. Show. Jackson. Welcome to the show. Very quickly, bev, firstly, what was your reaction to the cass review . Review . Well, obviously, im pleased that the that its now clear from such an eminent paediatrician and, and an eminent team of researchers that there is no sound evidence for this, this treatment that has been given to mostly teenage girls. Yes. Im glad that that is out there, but pretty horrified that its been treated as a political thing instead of a medical thing. This is a review of health care. Yes. And in what other area of health care would you find people treating it in this way . People all these, aduu this way . People all these, adult clinics refusing to give their evidence. We wanted long term evidence. What is the long term evidence. What is the long term outcome . I mean, that is suggestive , i mean, that is suggestive, isnt it, that that six of the seven adult clinics refused to hand over the data would suggest a degree of ideological capture . It theres no it cannot. You know, theres no other alternative at this point. You think this is really if you think this is really good treatment, if you believe in affirmative model, in the affirmative care model, then be very then surely you would be very pleased this pleased to show. Yes, this is brilliant. Works very brilliant. It works out very well. They didnt want to do it. And now i even more and now i find even more shocking is a template is circulating former patients , circulating for former patients, encouraging them to say we dont want our data to be used for research. Yes. And so there is a profound reluctance to get the research out there. And then they say, oh, well, there isnt enough research. Its just ridiculous. In terms of gay rights, the cass review very specifically shows that 89 of the girls referred were same sex attracted, either homosexual or bisexual, and 81 of the boys fall into that category. So this is overwhelmingly affecting kids who are likely to grow up gay. Who are likely to grow up gay. Yeah, its really, really disturbing. And everybody used to accept that. I mean, if you go back to the year, i think around 2000, even mermaids were saying, of course , the saying, of course, the overwhelming majority of kids presenting with with, i think they called it those in those days, it was gender identity disorder. Yes. Then they wanted to call it later gender dysphoria. And now theyre calling it gender incongruence. Theyre make less theyre trying to make it less and less medical and yet insisting more and more insisting on more and more treatment. Doesnt any treatment. It doesnt make any sense. Anyway, mermaids sense. But anyway, even mermaids were the year 2000 were saying in the year 2000 that most of these kids would simply grow up lesbian or gay, and it was known it was known everywhere. It was known in holland also. And its extraordinary that that now is being suppressed. And youre not seeing in the coverage, although there is that graph which stops, unfortunately, at 2016. And thats because they didnt have any figures after that. Obviously, cass wanted the figures after 2016, but and i know that quite a few of the therapists who worked at the gids simply didnt ask about Sexual Orientation because they didnt think it was relevant. But but it is, of course, so relevant if this you know, if this is a gay rights issue. And fundamentally, whats particularly disturbing is that the gender affirming model and the gender affirming model and the notion, the notion of the notion, the very notion of a gender has been pushed gender identity has been pushed by stonewall , the foremost by stonewall, the foremost supposedly gay charity the supposedly gay charity in the country , and other groups of its kind. Yeah. And i think that what happened if you replace the whole idea of what if you call homosexuality, say you change it from being same sex Sexual Orientation, which that is what it is. Thats what it was when i was setting up the Gay Liberation front. And that still is what it is, that Sexual Orientation, if you suddenly call it same gender orientation, so that theoretically and not even theoretically to men can call themselves women and then be a lesbian couple, youre making a mockery of what homosexuality is. Youre and that removes in the same way that removes in the same way that its removing womens rights by changing sex to genden rights by changing sex to gender. Youre also removing the rights and the definition of homosexuality by changing sex to, to gender identity. So given that stonewall has been so complicit in this movement, is it now time finally for stonewall to be driven out of public life . Of public life . Well, i represent a charity. I dont think its for me publicly to talk about the work of another charity, obviously , of another charity, obviously, as you know, we set up lgb alliance because we were unable to talk to stonewall in those days. We didnt really want we had no idea idea that this was a great thing to do at this stage of life, to set up a new organisation. We thought, no, we need to engage with stonewall and so that they realise that this is having a really bad effect on young, gays and lesbians. We will talk to them. And it was just a complete blank wall, no debate. And also theres no conflict between these rights. And this is so obviously not true. And it was only because we could not get through, we could not get a dialogue going that we had to set up lgb alliance. But i want to say, look, this is an age of misogyny. Its an extraordinary age of misogyny. We see in scotland with the bill coming, that people are going to be protected by new bill protected by the new bill against misogyny , which will against misogyny, which will include men who identify as women. Getting rid of women. That is getting rid of womens rights. We see whats happening with the new rules for title nine in america also will include men who identify as women and the women who are impacted most by this are lesbians who are impacted , as we lesbians who are impacted, as we say in our mission statement, doubly as women and as as homosexuals. And the fact that we now know, we know that young lesbians are being told theyve got short hair or they fall for other girls. Oh maybe youre really a boy. And then some of them are susceptible to that. And they go and they take puberty blockers. And we now know all the harm that can be done that. And were pleased done by that. And were pleased to that is now very, to see that that is now very, very clear from this report. 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But lets get a news update first from sophia wenzler. Good evening. Im sophia wenzler in the gb news room. Your top story this hour. Mark menzies has announced his resignation from the tory party, saying he wont be standing in the next election. The fylde mp was suspended following claims he used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay off bad people who had locked him in a flat. He disputes the allegations, though. Following allegations, though. Following an investigation, the conservative party says it cant conclude there was a misuse of funds, but said there was a pattern of behaviour that falls below the standards expected of mps. The mayor of london, sadiq mps. The mayor of london, sadiq khan, will meet met commissioner sir mark rowley tomorrow to discuss community relations. It comes as sir mark rowley is facing calls to quit over his handung facing calls to quit over his handling of pro palestinian protests, with the former home secretary , Suella Braverman secretary, Suella Braverman suggesting hes emboldened anti semites. The Campaign Anti semites. The campaign against anti semitism is also calling for sir mark to resign or be sacked after its chief executive was described as openly jewish by an officer. The met police have now responded in a statement, saying the assistant commissioner has written to gideon falter to offer a private meeting to apologise his. A decision by the apologise his. A decision by the us to approve £49 billion in aid for ukraine has been welcomed by the uk, with the foreign secretary describing it as a vital step forward. After months of wrangling, american politicians ended a deadlock, agreeing to provide a package which will also help replenish weapons and munitions. President weapons and munitions. President zelenskyy says the move will keep the war from expanding and will save thousands of lives. It now heads to the senate, which is expected to pass the bill in the next few days, and a record 50,000 people ran the London Marathon today. Most have now marathon today. Most have now crossed the finishing line after completing the 26. 2 mile route. They started just after 10 am. This morning, the event raising millions of pounds for charities. Our very own gb news Political Editor , chris hope, Political Editor, chris hope, was one of the many who crossed the finishing line today. Well, ive done it. I got round 26. 2 miles, five hours, eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. Eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. Had a very sore left hip at some point. That was really hard. But heres the proof. Heres the medal. Thats why you do this. These kind of things raise, i think, over £7,000 of scope. Ill check on it online later. Its a great cause. It online later. Its a great cause. Its moving, its cause. Its moving, its exhausting and its well worth the effort. And if youre mad like me, want to try and run it for the latest story , sign up to for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its com slash alerts. Now its back to free speech nation. Welcome back to free speech nation. So its high time we get some more questions from this lovely studio audience. Our first question of this section comes from where is rob . Comes from rob. Where is rob . Hi. Hello, should schools be appointing children as young as four years old as lgbt champions . Rob, what do you think . Rob, what do you think . I think its insane. I think its insane. And this is scottish schools, isnt it . Who who are doing this . Yeah. Starting to appoint kids as young as four. Kids as young as four. Dont know anything about this stuff, do they . Lets be honest. No, they dont at all. No, they dont at all. I dont got a clue. And im, im a im a im a parent to a 14, 15 year and im, im a im a im a parent to a 14,15 year old and im, im a im a im a parent to a 14, 15 year old now. And ive anecdotally seen this repeated as well. When children are introduced to sexual relationships and the knowledge of at of sexual relationships at a very young does confuse of sexual relationships at a very nyjng does confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do does confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs storyise of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs story with them. I do remember a story with my daughter where she was confused the point that if confused to the point that if youre told about lesbianism as a 7 or 8 year old and you dont know what that means, but you but you realise that your love for your friends is strong and you, you primarily love the girls in your group because youre girl. You my daughter, youre a girl. You my daughter, confused being a lesbian confused that as being a lesbian and used to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand used to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say,ed to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, it to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think|lk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i might about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i might be out it and say, i think i might be gay because i like instead of gay because i like x instead of this boy and because theyre pre sexual so the pre sexual, they have absolutely no idea. And at that point, as and of course, at that point, as a you know, a parent youre very, you know, youre open and youre very open and encouraging. Saying, encouraging. Youre saying, well you worry about that you know dont worry about that darling. You can, we darling. You can, you can, we can, can talk about it if you can, we can talk about it if you like. But its not important now. Realise is now. But what you realise is theyre being confused with theyre just being confused with aduu theyre just being confused with adult child, isnt adult stuff. As a child, isnt it strange, though . I mean, is from a why . I mean, this is from a charity called lgbt youth scotland. Were talking scotland. Now were not talking about education secondary about Sex Education in secondary schools. Is a schools. You know there is a problem if kids problem there. If kids arent told about stuff , you know, but told about stuff, you know, but this is different, right . This is years old. Lewis lewis is lewis is speechless lewis is speechless for lewis is speechless for the first time. Hes lost for words. That says a lot. That says a lot. It is because. Because im always, like, concerned about how you were like, obsessed with this. And the truth is, its like its the exact same side of the fence trans issues, teaching kids. Its the same as gay stuff. Its all evil. A four stuff. Its all evil. A four year old. Its not all evil, but a four year old doesnt need to know about any of this. They just dont. It doesnt need to know about anything really. And i dont think the government should be teaching anything about anything. And so. Anything. Well, and so. Need to learn well, they need to learn certain things. They dont. No they dont. No they dont. What maths, english, how to read . w w eat glass. It read . Eat glass. It should dont eat glass. It should be. Should be up to be. It should be up to the parents. Like william blake. You think you let kids you just think you let kids get on with it. Can i just can i just dig my way out of this, i think youre going to struggle, but go on. Im going is it is. Of im going to. Is it is. Of course, its incredibly bad, but but that bad but we cant say that its bad because if you say that its bad, it means youre saying that the peoples lifestyles that are living today, that are. Youre right and youre right to be there is a trepidation there. But wrong in the there. But youre wrong in the sense we those sense that we those conversations can be had. Its like talking about accountancy. You dont need to know about that till youre 18 19. That till youre 18 or 19. Theres no theres stuff you dont to be clouded with. Dont need to be clouded with. I mean, the idea that if you dont teach kids being dont teach kids about being a lesbian that you lesbian or gay at four, that you are for against gay and are there for against gay and lesbian that doesnt lesbian people, that doesnt make sense all. Make any sense at all. Well, is because those well, it is because those people who are might be if theyre trans, they say to theyre trans, they might say to themselves, was four years old themselves, i was four years old and i wish someone had taught me, theres tons things me, but theres tons of things that older that four year olds and older people remember when that people i remember when that older children older people, older children learn that are completely useless i remember useless or confusing. I remember i class when i was in i had a jazz class when i was in in high school, and i learned about Cannonball Adderley and these other jazz Dizzy Gillespie , and they might as well be talking about having my penis cut off. It was so i just dont see the connection. But im, you know, can i dig my way out of it . Yeah. Well give him his own show or something to explain all this stuff because it would require it, anyway, lets go to another question now. Weve got one from andy, yeah. Hi. Yeah mums no longer shopper . I do mums no longer shopper . I ill go to iceland. Well, yeah. So theyve changed the slogan, havent they. Mums gone to iceland. To. What is it now . We weve gone to iceland. Andy. What you think about it. What do you think about it. Well like its still mums about. So there are still about. So yeah there are still mums and there are still mums who do go to. Its iceland even still a thing. I thought it would stop. Not for people like you, andrew. No but no. What i was thinking . You know what i was thinking . I thinking bejam. I was thinking of bejam. But bejam became yes, but bejam became iceland. Oh did it . Yes. Oh, im so on. So youre in, youre in, youre in the same vein. Except that happened about 93. That happened in about 93. Right. So slightly the right. So so slightly behind the times. I mean its times. You know, i mean its just its just an extension of all madness that weve seen. All the madness that weve seen. Its big deal. Mean, the its no big deal. I mean, the idea we all think that only idea that we all think that only mums go to us, its so literal. They must all think were really, really stupid. Yeah. And they they all must. All you they must they all must. All you know, and theyre actually mums out thinking, well, out there thinking, well, i better to because if better go to iceland because if i dont, no ones going to go, yeah, but, but you know, i get the point. And suppose they want be and suppose they want to be a bit right. And they bit trendy, right. And they dont. Know what . Youre dont. You know what . If youre a woman whos not a mum or a young woman whos not a mum or a young woman whos not a mum or a young woman whos not a mum or a young guy and you want to get some nuggets, some frozen, you know, nuggets, but thinking, well, but youd be thinking, well, i cant there because it says cant go there because it says its only for mums. Yeah. I dont want to be that guy. Is that whats going on . I think you deserve that title of that guy. If you walked title of that guy. If you walked into iceland and said, am i allowed in here . Im not a mum, not a mum. Youre a mum, arent you . Youre a mum, arent you . Im a mother , the answer is im a mother, the answer is they werent doing the right things, i mean, iceland, ive beenin things, i mean, iceland, ive been in this country 24 years or something, and. And, iceland hasnt really grown that much. Hasnt really grown that much. Maybe. So they needed to change their thing. The fact is, is they needed a new slogan. They needed a new slogan, and they. And they hired. They hired this woman, this josie, whatever her name is, new the new name is, the new the new spokesmodel. Person. And spokesmodel. Yes. Person. And shes like a celebrity, a celebrity chaser, mom. Well, celebrity chaser, mom. Well, shes a mom. Shes a mom, but shes a mom. Shes a mom, but shes mums arent allowed anymore. No, but shes shes. I was reading about this woman. Shes so english. Shes a single mother, which is weird because its called iceland. Its called iceland. Maybe. Maybe their slogan should be iceland, not the country. Thats the kind of joke that i would make. Thats so funny, though. Thats so funny, though. We dont want dad to go to iceland, do we . Because hes just to buy a lot of just going to buy a lot of rubbish there. Is that . Is that . Yeah, but mom is going to buy rubbish too, because thats all there there. There is there. Mums are the best, you best mums are the best, you know louis . Best mums are the best, you kno no. uis . No. No. Okay. Lets move on to a question from nicholas. Wheres nicholas . Question from nicholas. Wheres nic hello. Is it racist to accuse hello. Is it racist to accuse somebody of playing the race card . Nicholas, 9 nicholas, know card . Nicholas, know you well, nicholas, i know you are, italian, half iranian. Are, half italian, half iranian. Right . Play the right . So do you ever play the race card . Because you could, ho. 110. No. But in order to be on gb news, i always identify as white and okay, well , its and italian. Okay, well, its actually its an interesting story, though. So this tribunal said that effectively, if you accuse someone of playing the race card. So say someone complains that theyve been treated in a racist manner and you say, oh, theyre playing the race card, thatis theyre playing the race card, that is also a form of racism. But im not sure about that. I mean, yeah, because, you know, i play mean, yeah, because, you know, i play card all the time play the gay card all the time with you and so and i play it with you and so and i play it with you. Yeah. And even more worrying. Well, of fun and, no, well, its a lot of fun and, no, its just, its the same way where people are, like, its a me too question. Its like, you me too question. Its like, you have to believe all women, right . Its believe all women. And so if you question a woman and say, no, i dont believe that this has happened to you, then a bad thing. Then thats a bad thing. Thats if someone if you and thats if someone if you came lewis, and said, came to me, lewis, and said, look, im upset because i perceive was being perceive that paul cox was being anti semitic treated me anti semitic and treated me in anti semitic and treated me in an way. I would say an anti semitic way. I would say i would some evidence. I would need some evidence. I couldnt just go your. Does couldnt just go on your. Does that me therefore complicit that make me therefore complicit in anti semitism . Yes, yes it would. Yes, because yes it would. Yes, because yes it would. You must believe, you know so you must believe, you know , believe all jews, right . Believe. Dont but dont believe. Dont believe, dont believe black eyes or women or whatever the rest of the people are. So because i agree. Because thats what this thats what. No, thats what this story is. This story. Its believe. Believe all hes saying. Believe hes saying i felt oppressed feelings matter more than facts. So we have to. But the thing is, paul, people do play the cards. Sometimes. Sometimes. They do. I mean, ive met people whove played this card, whether its being gay, being black, whatever. Ive met loads of people whove done this. Well, heres the thing. Well, heres the thing. You some people are you see some people are racist some people arent. Racist and some people arent. Not everybody way we not everybody is. And the way we controlling language is, is biasing direction. Controlling language is, is biasiri| direction. Controlling language is, is biasiri dont direction. Controlling language is, is biasiri dont thinkirection. Controlling language is, is biasiri dont think iaction. Controlling language is, is biasiri dont think i personally now, i dont think i personally if somebody come to me and made that accusation, i wouldnt have accused them of playing the race card because no. And as i dont believe as i dont believe you would. No, i would, i no, i wouldnt, i wouldnt do that. I would say, you know, i would take the allegations seriously and i would look into it and, and find if theres any evidence for it. But i wouldnt automatically believe i mean, its like, who was the royal aide was accused of racism . Aide who was accused of racism . That 83 year old woman. Yes. Who was the was simply asking where the woman from, and she it woman was from, and she took it as though she was as racist even though she was dressed in traditional african garb earrings the garb and had earrings in the shape africa. A shape of africa. Its a legitimate question. I think at that point and pre 2015, it wouldnt have been a big deal. Weve created environment now where we need shock and we need victims and we need we need oppressors and everything has to be within that triangle. And if its not, we dont really care for it because this is an employment tribunal. So its a bit more. Well, and do you know what . Its such a fine line, isnt it. Because if someone continually sitting there going, stop playing card, then playing the race card, then thats offensive. Thats quite offensive. Someone has because what if someone has actually racist . Actually has been racist . So this is you exactly. So this is how you this is how you merge and you cloud all the time. So got to be context so its got to be context dependent, maybe. Anyway, lets get question jazz. Get a quick question from jazz. Is hi. Have i is it jazz . Hi. Have i pronounced that right . You have. Yes. Great. Should all trains oh, great. Should all trains have compartments . Have cuddle compartments . Train so this is the german train operator. Do you operator. Jess, what do you think this, i if it think about this, i wonder if it will just be used forjust will just be used for just cuddle compartments. A good point. Oh, thats a good point. Oh, thats a good point. Okay, so, so i should explain a so is german train a bit. So this is a german train company, bahn i think. Company, Deutsche Bahn i think. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Thats right. Right. And, they basically have invented this carriages which this idea of carriages which they carriages. And they call cuddle carriages. And they call cuddle carriages. And the frost over. You the windows frost over. If you press a button and you can cuddle. Jazz is suggesting people might press that button for reasons. Yeah you for other reasons. Yeah you know, mainlining heroin, whatever , whatever it might be. Whatever, whatever it might be. But illegal activity or sexual activity, perhaps chance would be a fine thing , but it also can be a fine thing, but it also can be a fine thing, but it also can be used for taking a call, a work meeting and all these sorts of things. Yeah, but theyre calling them cuddle compartments. That sounds like a euphemism, but there it does. Compartments. That sounds like a eupand ism, but there it does. Compartments. That sounds like a eupand ism, kind here it does. Compartments. That sounds like a eupand ism, kind ofre it does. Compartments. That sounds like a eupand ism, kind of german,. And it is kind of german, isnt it . The idea that cuddling, you know, they dont touch each other, do they . Oh, some the early, movies oh, some of the early, movies iused oh, some of the early, movies i used to watch on bbc radio, channel 4, late at night on a friday, a lot of cuddling going on in those. And they were mainly german as well. Yes. Emmanuelle cuddle. Emmanuelle gets a cuddle. Emmanuelle gets a cuddle. Remember that one. Yeah, i remember that one. Yeah, i remember that one. Breves, anyway, what explicit breves, anyway, what was i trying to say . I so the idea of this compartment is what theyre saying is, is a private compartment. And we wont mind if you cuddle in it. Theyre not saying get in with saying get in there with all your and, its just your mates. And, maybe its just a thing , you know . A continental thing, you know . Maybe. Maybe. I misread it because i well, i misread it because i thought was trans getting. Thought it was a trans getting. Have a cuddle compartment. Trains. No trains. No trains. Trains, trains. Yeah. Trains, trains. Yeah. Just one letter. Just one. One letter. Just one. One letter. This ones obsessed. This ones obsessed. Why. Thats why. Thats why. Thats why. Thats this channel is. Thats what this channel is. Its trans. Its. Its its all trans. Its. Its nobody cares trans. Nobody cares about trans. No, trying to talk. No, were trying to talk. No, were trying to talk. Are obsessed with 90 of you are obsessed with 90 of the time. Were doing stories about trains. You and i dont think and you and i dont think trans. And think you. If trans. And i think you. If i read if ive read about this thing, the germans didnt call it a cuddle compartment. They know it in german. Dont be pedantic. Some some some. It was. Yeah i mean, they used to have them dont cuddle people, lewis, because you are incapable of love. Yeah, well, dont sympathise with it. Really dont. Yeah, exactly. Really dont. Yeah, exactly. Really dont. Yeah, exactly. Maybe if i got some love, id be. Id be more receptive of ladies. Now youre begging the audience to love you, lewis. Thats not a good look. Would you use the frosted compartment and if so, what for, i think its. I think you cant. You cant. You cant have a business meeting in there. Once you go in there, going be there, people are going to be looking. Its going to be looking. Its not going to be done because people are done because because people are already ridiculing it. And the germans ridicule. Germans dont like ridicule. Absolutely not. They absolutely do not. Thats true, okay. So thats thats true, okay. So lets on now to asia. Lets move on now to asia. Wheres asia . Hiya. Hi, id like to know, hi, andrew. Id like to know, do think its fair that do you think its fair that a supermarket worker be supermarket worker could be sacked for not paying for their bag so asia, i want to bag for life . So asia, i want to ask you what your view on that is. I think thats pretty harsh. Do you think its harsh . Yeah. Well, it was a guy at sainsburys and hed been there for a long like 20 odd for a long time, like 20 odd years. And what he did when he was leaving took the was leaving work, he took the bag he took some stuff bag for like he took some stuff which bought and him in a which he bought and put him in a bag for life, but he didnt add the, you know, at the end we have to how many bags you have to put how many bags you put in. And he says its because he was late at night and was he was late at night and he was knackered. Believe knackered. I can believe that. But a repeat offender . But was he a repeat offender . Of course he was a repeat offender. How many bags for life do you need . You just need one, dont you . You just need one, dont you . What . You just need you know what . You just need to once. You know to steal one once. And you know the criminal. Is he . The guys a criminal. Is he . Hes a criminal. And the fact is, is should go into is, is why should we go into that all the time . We. That place all the time . We. I have pay bags. I want to have to pay for bags. I want to steal as many as i can. Only a bag, though. Steal as many as i can. And a bag, though. Steal as many as i can. And a ban though. Steal as many as i can. And a ban employee. And hes an employee. And hes an employee. Is only bag. But hes it is only a bag. But hes going the scenes. Who going behind the scenes. Who knows taking . And you knows what hes taking . And you knows what hes taking . And you know sainsburys. Knows what hes taking . And you know dont sainsburys. Knows what hes taking . And you know dont advertise sburys. Knows what hes taking . And you know dont advertise onirys. Knows what hes taking . And you know dont advertise on this they dont advertise on this channel, so i they die. Channel, so i hope they die. Well, okay, thats fair well, i okay, thats a fair i think harsh but fair point. Think a harsh but fair point. Yes, they were they were yes, well they were they were scared activists. Scared of the activists. Is, this the this is, its this is the tncky this is, its this is the tricky thing it . So by the tricky thing isnt it . So by the letter of the law that is stealing, even if its £0. 10, theyre stealing, even if its £0. 10, tiguess very easy for i guess its very easy for someone sainsburys to someone like sainsburys to go. Youre your sack. Youre stealing your sack. However, human, however, everyones human, right . Wants to right . Yeah, well, who wants to pay7 right . Yeah, well, who wants to pay . One wants pay for pay . No one wants to pay for a bag. Guys there for bag. The guys worked there for 20 ten bags. 20 years. Let him have ten bags. Yeah, bet you havent him yeah, i bet you havent paid him that much in time. Thats that much in that time. Thats true. I would say. Would true. So i would say. I would say there should some say there should be some leniency. And does everyone leniency. And why does everyone need about it . Need to know about it . Like stealing he wasnt like stealing a Roast Chicken something. He wasnt like stealing a roa� hehicken something. He wasnt like stealing a roa� hehicken havenething. He wasnt like stealing a roa� hehicken havenethiihe he wasnt like stealing a roa� he hicken havenethiihe should he should have now. He should have shouldnt he have done now, shouldnt he . He must thinking wish id must be thinking now. I wish id gone straight the tv aisle, gone straight to the tv aisle, scooped all the and put scooped up all the tvs and put them of the bags for life. No, know you think its a no, i know you think its a crime, no, has fact. Crime, no, he has the fact. Excuse me, that. Is that this excuse me, is that. Is that this is a message send to the is a message not to send to the employees . Yeah, send employees . Yeah, but to send that other people in the that all the other people in the world. In the world that theres no special favours. You have to pay no special favours. You have to pay for the bag. No stealing. Well, im to stick well, im going to stick with. Might have been tired. With. He might have been tired. Yeah. Like its easy yeah. Its like its easy to forget that. Shouldnt have been maybe he shouldnt have been working. Tired. Working. He was tired. Sainsburys favour by sainsburys did him a favour by by out his job. By putting him out of his job. Well, lewis being yeah. Okay. Well, lewis being really he does. Does really brutal. He does. He does change. Quite capricious, change. Hes quite capricious, isnt he, lewis . He doesnt mean anything he says so we have no idea he doesnt mean anything he sajwell. So we have no idea he doesnt mean anything he sayall. So we have no idea he doesnt mean anything he sayall right. Yo we have no idea he doesnt mean anything he sayall right. Lets have no idea all right. Lets go to a final question now luke. Final question now from luke. Where luke . Hi. Good evening. Where is luke . Hi. Good evening. In the presence of andrew. In the presence of the gammon the the peoples gammon and the worlds most attractive carnivore , joe bidens carnivore was, joe bidens uncle, really eaten by cannibals . 7 yeah. So . Yeah. So this is. 7 yeah. So this is. So this was yeah. So this is. So this was the claim made by the president at a war memorial in pennsylvania, where he began discussing the circumstances surrounding his uncles death dunng surrounding his uncles death during world war two. And we do have a clip. Lets have a look. Have a clip. Lets have a look. My uncle and i called him ambrose the bruiser. They called him bougie. Bougie was a hell of an athlete. They told me when he was a kid and he became an Army Air Corps before the air force came along , air corps before the air force came along, he air corps before the air force came along , he flew those single came along, he flew those single engine planes as reconnaissance over war zones, and he got shot down in new guinea and, they never found the body because it used to be there a lot of cannibals. Cannibals. Quick response, louis, because we dont have much time. Hes a racist. Because we dont have much time. Hes a racist. Okay . Hes a racist. Okay . Hes a racist. Okay . I dont know what he means by that. And paul. That. And paul. No, i mean, its sad now, isnt it . It is sad. I mean , im isnt it . It is sad. I mean, im looking at that thinking thats the of the world. The leader of the free world. Yeah and it. And it. Yeah, its standing for exactly standing for. He doesnt know he is, but standing, know he is, but hes standing, hes standing for hes standing, hes standing for another election against i mean, look, sad and i do feel look, it is sad and i do feel bad when people mock him for his cognitive etc. Bad when people mock him for his cogbute etc. Bad when people mock him for his cogbut on etc. Bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the etc. Bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the other. Bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the other hand, the but on the other hand, the white house arent admitting it. No, leader of the no, its the leader of the free world. So you to its not world. So you have to its not his is it . His fault, is it . Not fault. Its its not his fault. Its the its around its the Civil Servants around him. The people that prop him. Its the people that prop him. Its the people that prop him their own gain. No. Him up for their own gain. No. He is. It is his own fault. Hes vegan diet. Hes basically on a vegan diet. Hes basically on a vegan diet. Hes incredibly hes got incredibly, incredibly low cholesterol levels. Thats why hes got this pallor of death on him. He can barely open his eyes. He. He needs meat. Right, louis . It could just be that hes quite old. No, no, its not like if you eat meat, you live forever. Yes, they live. They live a lot longer. If you google, if you google cholesterol level, its a its a its a curve like that where the more as you get older the more cholesterol you need. Yeah dude. And they and hes his favourite websites. Hes on dark web or hes on the dark web or whatever is. Whatever it is. Hes hes. Hes hes. No ive had enough. Anyway, next up free speech nation, the gay mens network just gay mens network have just unveiled response to the unveiled their response to the cass Dennis Kavanagh cass review. Dennis kavanagh is going here give us a going to be here to give us a sneak preview. Please dont go anywhere i on on mark dolan tonight. In my opinion, the scandal that wont go away. Angela rayner can run , go away. Angela rayner can run, but she cant hide in my take a ten. Following his lurid confessions of drug use, the duke of sussex is praying that joe biden is re elected. Because if donald trump returns to the white house, prince harry could be returning to britain. Plus, Queen Elizabeth ii remembered on what would have been her 98th birthday. Were live at nine. I feel bad. I feel bad. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. Im over my. So the gay mens Network Official response to the cass review is now live. It is subtitled towards a vision of post gender gay rights, and describes review as describes the cass review as a devastating account of an unprecedented homophobic medical scandal in the nhs and private health sphere. And to here discuss it, im joined by Dennis Kavanagh, the lawyer and director of the gay mens network. Welcome, dennis. Hello so lets start with your report from the gay mens network. What from the gay mens network. What is your response in a nutshell to the cass review . Our response is basically this, that this is a sad day for the Gay Rights Movement. Cass is a reality check, and its shown us that that for decades now, homosexuality has , decades now, homosexuality has, in effect, been medicalized at the nhs. You and i have spoken before about the fact that 8,090 of the kids at the tavistock were same sex attracted , and which has been attracted, and which has been confirmed by the cass review precisely that. So we say this , we say this so we say this, we say this is a shocking indictment of gay politics and of the Gay Rights Movement generally , particularly movement generally, particularly in view of the fact that the very people who should have been protecting gay youth, principally stonewall, werent just , didnt just just abandoned, didnt just abandon their post, they joined the Opposition Forces when they should have been standing up for these kids. And what do you think their response will i know response will be . Now, i know stonewall out a kind of stonewall put out a kind of unclear statement, sort of saying, we accept the findings of cass review, but it of the cass review, but it wasnt that clear, was it . Theyve had two statements. They put tweet saying that they put out a tweet saying that they accepted the cass review. Their supporters turned their own supporters then turned on , fairly viciously, to on them, fairly viciously, to express their displeasure with it. Theyve now released it. Theyve now released a longer statement in which theyre scrabbling around in the cass review for crumbs of hope, saying, well, its not a blanket ban on puberty blockers because theres possibility of a theres still a possibility of a clinical trial, for example. But stonewall need to need to get real on this. This is over now. Doctor cass has called time on this homophobic medical scandal. The sitting secretary of state, the shadow secretary of state for health, have accepted. Cass. Its time for stonewall to do the same. Actually show some leadership and some concern for gay youth. I would make this point, if i may, andrew. That statement from stonewall, it didnt have the word gay or lesbian once, and thats a lesbian in it once, and thats a powerful indication there. Okay, well, it might be worth just reading out what stonewall said. They said doctor cass has not called for adolescents to have to their have their right to their identity or autonomy removed, nor recommend nor did doctor cass recommend a blanket ban on social transitioning children transitioning for children of any significantly, any age. Most significantly, doctor cass did not support unilateral outing of trans young people by schools. There are clear gaps between recommendations and practical policy, were already policy, and were already heanng policy, and were already hearing reports Doctor Hearing early reports of doctor cass analysis of and recommendations about social transitioning being used to challenge trans peoples rights to identity. But its interesting, as you say, dennis, they dont mention the key issue here, which is their failure to stand up for gay and lesbian youth. Yeah, and what a gloss on the cass report that is. If you look cass report that is. If you look at what the cass report actually says about transitioning, says about social transitioning, says about social transitioning, says there says where this occurs, there should to should be reference to a clinician almost immediately because its not a neutral act. You find that in the you wont find that in the stonewall response, because stonewall response, because stonewall care stonewall dont seem to care about concretising cross sex ideation predominantly among homosexual young population. But they have bought into this idea that everyone is born with a gender identity and that that might be misaligned to the body. So this a belief system body. So this is a belief system thatis body. So this is a belief system that is now so embedded in stonewall. Isnt it time that stonewall. Isnt it time that stonewall was longer stonewall was just no longer taken seriously . I entirely agree 2015 stonewall the t to the lgb stonewall added the t to the lgb under the leadership of ruth hunt, who promised everyone she wasnt going to do that, but performed a volte face, which is why shes now facing in the wake of this medical scandal. Shes now facing a petition started by the author, simon edge, which is coming up on, i think, 16,000 odd signatures. A petition to remove her from the house of lords. I know you say that its times up now, thanks to casper. Isnt it going to be tough . And the reason i say that is there are still so many prominent gay and celebrities and and lesbian celebrities and groups politicians who are groups and politicians who are saying who are standing up for stonewall, who are standing up for kids may have for the idea that kids may have a misaligned soul and and a misaligned soul and body and actually , given prominence actually, given the prominence of maybe voices of those people, maybe voices like yours are the minority here. Well, that may or may not be the case, but what matters here is not the weight of numbers. What matters here is who is right about safeguarding these children. And if im one voice in 100, i dont care if im right. I do in 100, i dont care if im right. I do think in 100, i dont care if im right. I do think stonewall are right. I do think stonewall are losing purchase in the public sphere , though. I do think sphere, though. I do think politicians are beginning to realise that something has gone very, very seriously wrong here. It is heartening to see a Cross Party Consensus of serious politicians from the main, the larger parties embracing cass and saying that a post cass nhs should effectively entirely rid itself of this poisonous ideology. Ideology. And will it be taken up by the politicians . I mean, no, Alicia Kearns was adding an amendment to the criminal justice try and ban what justice bill to try and ban what she calls trans conversion therapy. But actually, cass specifically to this specifically refers to this saying actually, this saying that actually, this should be mistaken. This should not be mistaken. This should not be mistaken. This should confused the should not be confused in the way that doing. She way that shes doing. She doesnt Alicia Kearns, but doesnt name Alicia Kearns, but she is a common she says that it is a common confusion. W w g drawn this to yeah, and weve drawn this to alicia we Alicia Kearns attention. We actually, produced a briefing note at gay mens network on that amendment to the criminal justice bill. Weve drawn doctor casss comments to her attention. So far, weve heard absolutely nothing. Mrs. Kearns absolutely nothing. Mrs. Kearns seems to think its fine to speak over and speak for gay men. When gay men are telling her, look, theres a problem with this piece of legislation and it has the capacity to harm gay boys. What i understand is so what i dont understand is so many people, they all many of these people, they all agree that section 28 was this terrible the idea of terrible thing. And the idea of the promotion of the so called promotion of homosexuality it homosexuality in schools, it should and should never have happened. And here presiding over here they are presiding over something arguably even something which is arguably even worse. Woise. Worse. Yeah, i agree it is an absurd situation and it is orwellian, frankly, for them to be introducing such homophobic legislation and then telling us that its a gay conversion ban, as weve discussed before, that is precisely the opposite of what it is. What it is state sanctioned and, conversion by gender and criminal penalties for doctors that dont go along with it. We call upon Alicia Kearns to withdraw this silly homophobic amendment, and we call on the Scottish Government to scrap their proposed piece of legislation, which is even worse than the current amendment. Is it time to divide lgb and t . Yes. Yes. Our interests have been demonstrated now to be entirely contrary, contrary to each other. And look, we are different protected characteristics, right 7 protected characteristics, right . The those who have the gender reassignment characteristic under the equality act. Good luck. Good luck to them. And luck. Good luck to them. And they call should have rights in law. No ones opposed to that. But this force teaming this marriage cannot work and its become an abusive relationship. I dont understand because i saw Jeremy Corbyn speak this week as that there is no week as saying that there is no lgb without the t. How can it be the case that gay people who want to organise in their own interests should be connected automatically to the belief in a gender , which is gender identity, which is a completely separate thing to Sexual Orientation . Does he not . Has he not even talked to people about attempted to about this or attempted to understand . Understand . Its just another straight man to organise. Man telling us how to organise. How . How dare stand how dare he . How dare he stand up say you guys, you cant up and say you guys, you cant organise us unless you force. Unless you force a team with a bunch of other people that i, a straight have chosen straight man, have chosen for you. Jeremy corbyn has no right you. Jeremy corbyn has no right to to us. He doesnt to say that to us. He doesnt understand this issue. He doesnt understand that our interests are sometimes contradictory, as hes demonstrated by this global homophobic medical scandal. Now, i wanted to ask you about an open letter that has been put together by james esses, whos a campaigner, and this a letter which has this is a letter which has a number of signatories, including yourself and i should say for complete transparency, including myself. On complete transparency, including mysgovernment on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have a on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have a full the government to have a full investigation the impact of investigation into the impact of gender identity ideology in all aspects life. You aspects of public life. Can you tell us bit more about that . Tell us a bit more about that . Sure. I can tell you im one of the three directors of gay mens network. Three of us mens network. All three of us have and we support have signed this, and we support jamess, efforts here. We also call for a Public Inquiry in our consultation response, we invite ministers to consider their powers under section one of the 2005 inquiries act, which is established to deal with areas of public concern. Well, what more could be of public concern than a medical scandal, where the harm is disproportionately visited on defenceless children . If thats not a matter of public concern, i dont know what is. We need to get gender ideology out of the public sphere. Weve got an nhs calling in assaulting women by calling them uterus hovers. Weve got the bbc teaching kids theres 100 genders. Weve got the cps introducing or proposing two tier prosecution standards in the case of rape by, sorry, sex by deception , which weve by deception, which weve discussed in the past, weve got Kemi Badenoch saying across the floor of the commons, i was told by my officials, her Civil Servants, that i shouldnt meet with keira bell. And we know that that meeting had a fundamental effect on that. Thats a detransition. Thats a detransition. Thats a detransition. Thats right. Kira bell, who heroically and courageously brought and brought the case of bell and tavistock , a judicial review. So tavistock, a judicial review. So we support jamess call for there to be a Public Inquiry. This ideology has run riot. None of us voted for it. None of us got a say in this. And yet it seems to have infested all areas of public life. And were sick of public life. And were sick of it. Because as we can see with cats, this is not an academic debate, right . Its not the judith butlers and the gender cats, and you know , the gender cats, and you know, the stonewalls, stonewall ceos at their black tie dinners. Who paid the price for this . Who pays the price . Vulnerable kids, autistic kids, kids that are looked after , this is this is looked after, this is this is not okay. We need to deal with this. And you make the point about it not being democratic. It is in both parties. You know, this is the problem. We cant vote this out. Theres no way. So is it likely that a Public Consultation investigation consultation or investigation will consultation or investigation wiliwell, shall were well, we shall see. Were making for thats making the case for it. Thats all we for the time all we could do for the time being. James has amassed very being. James has amassed a very impressive signatures. Impressive list of signatures. Signatories from all sides of the house, weve got to get real about this. This is a medical scandal without equal. This was gay conversion 2. 0 at the tavistock. Lives have been ruined by this, evidence from the mayo clinic in america. This just last week suggests that boys, given puberty blockers have testicular atrophy. So the have testicular atrophy. So the tissue in the testicles is degrading and an increased cancer risk. Thats where gender has led us to. Theres going to be, you know, heaven forbid. But it does seem likely that were going to end up with some boy Walking Around now, probably in america, going to end up america, its going to end up with his testicles with cancer in his testicles because clowns , boys, because of these clowns, boys, and unleashed on and what they unleashed on defenceless. Defenceless children. Finally, dennis, could you tell where we can read your tell us where we can read your full response to the cass review . Sure. Full response the full response is available at gay mens network. Com under letters and resources. Dennis kavanagh, thanks ever so much forjoining me, sir. And next up on free speech nation , next up on free speech nation, doctor Carrie Mendoza will join us from the United States to tell us what the response has been to the cass review over the pond. Dont go anywhere. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. The cass review has obviously had a huge impact over here. Topping news bulletins and leading to demands for public inquiries , as you just heard inquiries, as you just heard from Dennis Kavanagh. But had it , has it had any impact over in the United States where there have been also controversies over gender identity issues . Well, here to discuss this, im delighted to be joined by physician Carrie Mendoza, physician doctor Carrie Mendoza, director of chennai six usa. Doctor , thanks so much doctor mendoza, thanks so much for coming on to the show. I just want ask whether just want to ask whether americans have received the cass review in the way that the british have, because i have been informed that the American Media hasnt really made much of it. Andrew, thank you so much for having me. I wish we had a better news over here for you, but it really has been, ignored to a great degree over here in the states. The states. And why do you think that is . I mean, is it is it is it is this evidence of the ideological capture of the various institutions in america, or is it that its just a busy news day . I day . I think it really is evidence of the ideological capture. You know, the Current Administration and policy makers really are on and policy makers really are on a very strong tack of writing gender ideology into civil rights legislation , as well as rights legislation, as well as the general foundations of how medicine is practised here. And we saw the same, didnt we, with the w path files, which we, with the w path files, which we covered extensively on this show , that actually these bodies show, that actually these bodies just arent interested in admitting the problem. One of the aspects of the cass review was that six out of the seven of the adult gender clinics did not share their data. So what can we do to bring this . Well, the medical profession back in line with ethical standards. With ethical standards. Yeah, i think the issue of the data sharing is, is really such a big one. And i think its super important to focus on that, especially with whats going on in the United States, as weve really made a big business of making Electronic Health records available. And widely part of the way medicine is practised. And so i think when you look and see the response to a lot of the folks who are trying to make sure that this care is continued to be available, theyre really starting to focus on data privacy and protection as they call it, for, you know, the Lgbtq Community saying that they shouldnt have to share their data. So i think politically and data. So i think politically and in terms of policy makers , in terms of policy makers, especially over here in our country, where the Software Designers are really the lead in in the world, we need to really look at the data sharing aspect and how important it is to protect data, but make sure that it is also available for high quality research. Quality research. But if they are serious about the best interests of these individuals who are undergoing gender medicine, surely it would be in their interest to keep a track of what happened later in life after this treatment . What can their justification possibly be for withholding data when it comes to this . Comes to this . Well, i really think that clearly theyre not wanting the long tum outcomes to be revealed, as well as things related to medication adverse effects, cancer risk , long term. Effects, cancer risk, long term. So i think theres really this focus on ideologically on sort of short terms, interests versus the long tum side effects. And so i think if youre if youre in a position where you dont want to share the data, you just dont want to know, but isnt that against the hippocratic oath . Isnt that against the whole principle of first do no harm, it absolutely is. It absolutely is, you know, this should not be politicised. This should really be about what is the best for every single patient. If youre a trans identified patient, we need an environment where this is not politicised. We need people who are looking out for your best interests. In terms of long tum outcomes, so you dont get cancer. So you dont get a lot of host of terrible side effects that you might not be thinking right now because youre thinking more about the short term issues. I think the cas review has revealed, objectively, that the Evidence Base for the use of puberty blockers is weak. Will this make any difference whatsoever to Current Practice in america or indeed, practice thatis in america or indeed, practice that is recommended by the Biden Administration . Administration . It really doesnt seem to be. Unfortunately there seems to be a focus more on short term issues of will this make you happy versus is there evidence for a Good Practice in medicine . And thats where i think the big conflict is related to. People are really looking at the question, is this going to make me happy . And that is where a me happy . And that is where a lot of the policymakers are focusing, as well as just bodily autonomy. You know, its very autonomy. You know, its very libertarian here in the sense that if a patient wants to do something in our country, our systems are set up to say, hey, that could be okay for them to do it. But even with children, even when it comes to children, i mean, thats thats where the big debate is going. Of course it shouldnt. It shouldnt be. Theres no evidence that that is safe at all or that, as cass was saying, they can diagnose you know, who is that, trans identified person now that is going to be unhappy later. Lets try and prevent that. So in our country, i think, you know, it may end up going along the lines of abortion politics, where the argument is around bodily autonomy. If someone wants to do autonomy. If someone wants to do that, they should be able to. And so i think thats what the big debate is in our country very interesting. Well, doctor Carrie Mendoza, thank you ever so much for joining me on speech joining me next on free speech nation. Truss promotes her nation. Liz truss promotes her new book, a moment of embarrassment for the incredible hulk , and an elephant gallops hulk, and an elephant gallops through the streets of montana. Its almost time for social sensations. Dont anywhere welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. Its that time of the show. Social sensations. Its when we look at whats been going viral on social media. So first up, heres a video of our former Prime Minister liz truss , Prime Minister liz truss, attempting to promote her new book lets have a book in america. Lets have a look. Ive great to you, look. Ive great to see you, your thoughts. To great see you. And heres my new book. Ill just get it up. Sorry. There you go. There we are. Go. There we are. I mean, god love her. Look. Well, its difficult to work out where the camera is and which way you should hold it. It took a long to turn the book for book around. And it did for a big minister, didnt it . Big Prime Minister, didnt it . Oh oh, oh, were all liz truss spans now , are we . I you do feel spans now, are we . I you do feel for her because she just she can never have a quite enough of a run to be credible. I know. And look thats an easily mockable thing. But i think its also an easily done thing. I can i can imagine doing exactly the same thing. Its not a sensation. I know its not. Its not. No, its not a sensation, is it . How do you feel about liz truss, i feel about her using my hands. Feel about liz truss, i feel abowhatr using my hands. Feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do ;ing my hands. Feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do you my hands. Feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do you my hanwhat . What do you mean . What . Lewis . What that mean . Lewis . What does that mean . That was hard. That was hard. Laughing. No i would like to apologise. I feel liz truss. But you know what . I feel sorry. I feel sorry for her because, i mean, she was given the keys to the kingdom, and she hasnt. She hasnt even gotten into the driveway. But, you know, to be fair, she was Prime Minister, and thats no mean feat. She and thats no mean feat. But she wasnt. But by even by british standards, is youre kind standards, which is youre kind of appointed by your fellow mps and then you run and youre not youre not elected. Mean, the youre not elected. I mean, the political system is so political system here is so deformed. Lets get another well, okay, lets get another one. Is a video where one. Now, this is a video where a childrens Birthday Party takes for worse. Takes a turn for the worse. You want me to give you this one . Oh, yeah. I mean, it is terrifying. Are the kids really upset about that or. They didnt look too happy to me. In fact, it was your birthday. Running around screaming. First of all, it was a big green man. Yes whos coming in angry, and then he falls over with his legs under his body and hes back to the small i dont know whats his body and hes back to the small on. I dont know whats going on. Were they upset . And screaming were screaming because they were worried were worried about him, or were they terrified him because hes a terrified of him because hes a big green man . Terrified of him because hes a big probablyan . Terrified of him because hes a big probably because big probably because hes a big green that would have been green man. That would have been the first impression. I dont think have been worried think theyd have been worried for safety. Think theyd have been worried for rknow, then they always you know, then they always have clowns Childrens Party have clowns at Childrens Party and to and the clowns are scary to children, and the clowns are scary to chiiofen, and the clowns are scary to chiiof course are. Of course of course they are. Of course theyre scary. But again, theyre scary. But then again, ive kids and some of them, ive had kids and some of them, they deserve to be scared. Occasionally theyre they deserve to be scared. Oc innocent theyre they deserve to be scared. Oc innocent children. 1eyre all innocent children. Got well, finally, weve got this one. Residents in butte, one. This is residents in butte, montana, they had a montana, and they had quite a shock this when, when shock this week when, when driving street. Lets driving down the street. Lets have at what they saw. Have a look at what they saw. Elephant down the the elephant walking down the road. Oh, my god. Road. Oh, my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. So are elephants native to montana . Well actually, they are native. Theres mammoth, big woolly mammoths , and they are mammoths, and they are elephants. They are the ones that are very hairy. It just shows the asking you another question. The feminine, the feminisation of elephants , the feminisation of elephants, the feminisation of elephants, the hairless ones are extinct. Hairless ones are extinct. Paul. Are they native to montana . Theyre definitely not native to montana, as far as im aware. Right. I asked lewis about this earlier and he started saying, ive got this impression. He said, i an elephant. He said, i can do an elephant. He started the out started pulling the pockets out of no. Okay, lets oh please, no. Okay, lets definitely move on now. Is definitely move on now. This is where going to talk about where were going to talk about your unfiltered dilemmas. Thank your unfiltered dilemmas. Thank you emailing in with all of you for emailing in with all of your problems. As usual, lets get from david. David get a dilemma from david. David says the person i hold most dear and to all others in and look to above all others in this and despicable world this foul and despicable world has and my panel has just said me and my panel instead of my panel and i, how can i ever forgive or overlook the shocking use of the english language . Know what language . Hey, you know what david . This a difficult job. David . This is a difficult job. Especially youve especially when youve got a cold youre not well and you cold and youre not well and you have pretend to be all happy. Have to pretend to be all happy. And actually, im this sort and actually, im just this sort of of darkness. Lets of black void of darkness. Lets get another dilemma now from holly. Holly says, i was on the train the other when two train the other day when two young were chatting about young girls were chatting about the was the woes of modern dating. I was obviously eavesdropping and thought went thought i could help, so i went up to them and offered some love life advice. Seemed rather life advice. They seemed rather grateful, but my husband ridiculed me for being intrusive. The intrusive. Did i overstep the mark . Well, louis, you know about overstepping mark . About overstepping the mark . Yeah. This count. Yeah. With this count. Well, i know when i go talk to women that they say to young women that they say that me. To young women that they say tha not me. To young women that they say tha not just women. Not just women. Not just women. No. Yeah you got to, yeah. No. Yeah you got to, you know, i see people like, who are fat, like paul, and i want to. I want to help him. And you to. I want to help him. And you cant. You cant help anybody. Nowadays, people beyond nowadays, people are beyond help. Thats why i talk to the general. You cant talk to people, specifically people who general. You cant talk to peofat, specifically people who general. You cant talk to peofat like cifically people who general. You cant talk to peofat like paul. Ly people who general. You cant talk to peofat like paul. Youve le who general. You cant talk to peofat like paul. Youve got vho general. You cant talk to peofat like paul. Youve got to are fat like paul. Youve got to have reply to that. Have a reply to that. Louis you know no. Well louis is, you know what horrible , what horrible, horrible, horrible, absolutely horrible. But i do love him. But i do love him. Hes the only man ive ever truly loved, andrew, so cant truly loved, andrew, so i cant say word against very say a bad word against very quickly overstepping the mark. Say a bad word against very quickly or erstepping the mark. Say a bad word against very quickly or no . 3pping the mark. Yes or no . Yes or no . What do you think . Yeah. What do you think . Yeah. Why would well, yes. I mean, why would you, you walk down you, you would you walk down a train eavesdrop train carriage, eavesdrop on a conversation . Not for advice. More i think we need more boundanesin i think we need more boundaries in society, particularly louis. Boundaries in society, partiiularly louis. Boundaries in society, partii think louis. Boundaries in society, partii think you louis. Boundaries in society, partii think you need louis. Boundaries in society, partii think you need to uis. Boundaries in society, partii think you need to develop and i think you need to develop more boundaries for own. More boundaries for your own. For your own sake. Yeah, i agree thats moral this thats been the moral of this episode. Joining episode. And thanks for joining us nation. This us for free speech nation. This was week when truss had was the week when liz truss had trouble new book, trouble plugging her new book, someone a job over some someone lost a job over some bags for life. And of course, the review changed the the cast review changed the world gender medicine world of gender medicine forever. Fingers crossed. Thank you panel , forever. Fingers crossed. Thank you panel, paul cox and you to my panel, paul cox and Louis Schaefer to of my Louis Schaefer to all of my brilliant this evening. Brilliant guests. This evening. And want to join live and if you want to join us live in the studio, you can part in the studio, you can be part of our wonderful dead of our wonderful audience. Dead easy. To sro easy. Just go to sro audiences. Com. Thats right there on screen. Come along, there on the screen. Come along, apply there on the screen. Come along, apply and weve got wine. Weve got food. Its a its a lot of fun. Stay tuned by the way because mark dolans coming up next. 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An area of low pressure situated out to the north uk brings weak north of the uk brings some weak frontal systems will slowly frontal systems that will slowly sink southwards, sink their way southwards, particularly of particularly into the start of the week. And that the new working week. And that area High Pressure seen area of High Pressure weve seen pushes away towards the northwest. To northwest. So a cloudy end to the much of eastern the day for much of eastern scotland Northern England as scotland and Northern England as that sink its that rain continues to sink its way southwards overnight. So quite picture, quite quite a cloudy picture, quite across the board into the early hours monday morning. But across the board into the early hours easterniay morning. But across the board into the early hours eastern partsorning. But across the board into the early hours eastern parts ofiing. But across the board into the early hours eastern parts of england south eastern parts of england still to some clearer Still Holding on to some clearer skies. Even see skies. And we could even see some here, not some frost here, although not quite that quite as cold under all that cloud rain, and particularly cloud and rain, and particularly across of scotland, across parts of scotland, holding the Single Holding up into the high single figures. Cloudier start for figures. So cloudier start for many on monday, many of us on monday, particularly to what we particularly compared to what we saw the weekend. And this saw over the weekend. And this rain continues way rain continues to spread its way southwards monday southwards through monday daytime particularly daytime not turning particularly heavy, a grey and heavy, but definitely a grey and damp day compared the recent damp day compared to the recent couple days. Northern parts couple of days. Northern parts of scotland probably seeing the best through the best of the sunshine through the afternoon warm here afternoon and feeling warm here with or 15 degrees, with highs of 14 or 15 degrees, but definitely much but definitely feeling much chillier england chillier across much of england and under cloud and wales. Under all that cloud and wales. Under all that cloud and rain. Cloud rain and rain. That cloud and rain does eventually its way does eventually clear its way towards southeast to start towards the southeast to start on there will on tuesday. So there will be some brighter spells, particularly for the northern half uk. Plenty half of the uk. Plenty of sunshine through the sunshine around through the morning. Or showers bubbling morning. 1 or 2 showers bubbling up the afternoon, up through the afternoon, particularly north particularly along some north sea and staying particularly along some north sea cloudy and staying particularly along some north sea cloudy in and staying particularly along some north sea cloudy in the and staying particularly along some north sea cloudy in the southeast� ng quite cloudy in the southeast through further through the afternoon. Further showers on their through showers on their way through wednesday but wednesday and thursday, but hints pressure returning hints of low pressure returning as towards second as we head towards the second half week. Half of the week. Looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. Away. Good evening. I hope youre well. Busy one tonight. Its 9 00. On television. On radio and online. In the United Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight. The scandal that wont go away. 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