Home Office MinisterMichael Tomlinson earlier saying, though the lords need to allow that bill to pass now to send a clear signal that if you come to the United Kingdom illegally, you should not be able to stay once again. Piers mulling over those rejected amendments. Miss chakrabarti there in the centre of your screen, giving her opinion on that. Shes been quite a strong opposer of the governments flagship policy so far, meaning in a new development, the home office has confirmed the government is now considering a new deal with vietnam to tackle illegal migration, following reports that accommodation that had been earmarked for migrants in rwanda has already been sold on. Because of the delay to the bill, the Prime Minister has meanwhile committed to getting flights off the ground to rwanda by end of spring. Now, in by the end of spring. Now, in other news today, sir keir starmer has accused the Prime Minister of dodging questions over cutting nhs or state Pension Funding to cover the cost of eventually scrapping national insurance. Speaking dunng national insurance. Speaking during Prime Ministers questions, the labour leader criticised the conservatives for what he called their obsession with unfunded tax cuts. But with unfunded tax cuts. But rishi sunak said its always the same with labour, with higher taxes and working people paying the price well. The Prime Minister also hailed today todays inflation figures, saying they demonstrate that his economic plan is working. Figures indeed show the rate of inflation has fallen to its lowest level in two and a half years, down to 3. 2 in march, compared with 3. 4 in february. Economists are saying its a dip in food prices as the main reason for that slowdown. A 28 reason for that slowdown. A 28 year old man convicted of attempting to murder two elderly worshippers at mosques in what a judge has described as a horrific attack, has been sentenced to an indefinite hospital order. Muhammad al baqir , who has paranoid al baqir, who has paranoid schizophrenia, threw petrol over his victims and set them on fire outside mosques in birmingham and in london, the court heard. 82 year old hashi odowa and 70 year old Mohammed Riaz were chosen at random because abkir believed they were possessed by evil spirits. And in one note, evil spirits. And in one note, on some International News for you, the israeli Prime Minister has told our foreign secretary, lord cameron, that israel will be making its own decisions about how to defend itself as Global Leaders pleaded for restraint over how to restraint from him over how to respond to those iranian drone and missile attacks at the weekend, foreign secretary speaking to face with speaking face to face with Benjamin Netanyahu and admitting that more should be done to sanction tehran. Rishi sunak. Of course, speaking to his israeli counterpart on the phone last night in a delayed call from number 10, saying significant escalation is in no ones interest, also telling mr netanyahu it would only deepen insecurity in the middle east. The boss of the post office today was exonerated following an independent investigation into allegations of bullying. Nick read always rejected claims of misconduct. The firm says it of misconduct. The firm says it has now its full backing to lead the organisation, which continues to fall under the spotlight over the horizon. It scandal, in which hundreds of subpostmasters were wrongly convicted of fraud. Thats the convicted of fraud. Thats the news. For the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. Scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts. To gb news. Common alerts. Well, after yesterdays drama in brussels and the Closure Order for the natcon conference, we went out afterwards for a dnnk we went out afterwards for a drink and a bite to eat. And literally we did not know. Would day two of natcon happen now . Wed already seen, of course, maloney of italy speak out. The belgium Prime Minister, even the british Prime Minister so we sort of felt, well, you know, maybe something will happen. Well it did, there was some dramatic legal action that took place through the night, and well go into that and this morning the conference happened and the star of day was the and the star of the day was the hunganan and the star of the day was the hungarian Prime Minister, one, viktor orban, who took to the stage. I was pleased to have a chat with him. And, you know, i must say, he gave a very, very strong defence of christian values and of western values and why its the nations state that should deal with issues like immigration, not supranational structures like the European Union. So that was really, union. So that was really, really good. But the hero of all of this is the owner of the club, claridge, the club he they even towed his car away yesterday. They stopped the caterers getting into the premises. He was told on the phone , if this conference phone, if this conference continues, we will ruin your business. And this tunisian businessman withstood the bloomin lot and without him, there is no question natcon would have been over virtually before it had even begun. And i was very pleased to have a chat with him earlier on this morning. I think that yesterday we have a marked difference and real judgement, for the future. Real judgement, for the future. In consideration of the debate , in consideration of the debate, political debate, between all, constituent of the politic, party. And i think that we have open , to a new space, for open, to a new space, for discussion and, new opportunity for all to participate on politic debate. Politic debate. So there he was. Mr ben, as ive abbreviated his name to. And i got to tell you, hes not actually naturally a conservative himself. He just conservative himself. He just believes in open debate and free speech, which i think is terrific. Hes a very brave man. Hes done well, i hope his business in brussels absolutely flourishes as a result of what hes done. But what he was hinting at there, he was saying, you know, maybe something has changed as a result of this. And i think he may be right. Is this a watershed moment . Well ill tell you what. For some time now , those on the hard left say cancel culture. It doesnt exist. Its a figment of the imagination of the libertarians. Well, ill tell you what. The whole world, the whole world could see that cancel culture was alive and kicking in brussels yesterday. And you know, headlines today in the new york times. Im going on fox news later on this evening. This story has gone global. So the first reason why i believe it is a watershed moment is that now it cannot be denied that this sort of thing happens. And the second reason why its a watershed moment, its going to be very much more difficult in future to cancel speakers, going to universities , to cancel to universities, to cancel meetings being held by truly legitimate organisations. Im not saying the whole thing is finished. Im not saying the war is over, but we have won an important battle and it is, folks, believe me, a turning point and im very proud to have been a part of it. Let me know your thoughts. Is this a watershed moment . Farage gbnews. Com now gb news is Charlie Peters . Was there yesterday and today and summed up the proceedings overnight at the National Conservatism conference is running on day two despite a threat from the local mayor to shut down the event, having deployed police to this Conference Hall yesterday. And as i leave the venue , and as i leave the venue, this is something that i could not have done yesterday because if you left , you would not have if you left, you would not have been allowed to be readmitted into the venue. Now, these speeches have ahead. Today. Speeches have gone ahead. Today. Weve from the prime weve heard from the Prime Minister of hungary, viktor orban, people on the street orban, and people on the street in brussels told me that they were disappointed by this political censorship. In a free country and we are in a free country and everybody can say whatever he wants. Do you think that even if i dont agree with them, but we are a country, so thats are a free country, so thats what i can say. Do you think he made a mistake then, to make that order . Yes. I think he made a mistake. Yeah. Its not even a democracy. If i cant say what i want to say. We are not in a democracy anymore, that should be done. Is not good. Not good . No, its not good. They should have keep it like this because the mayor was against it. But there is no reason. Because everybody has his opinion. So why, why why shut it down . Actually, here in belgium, we have like, censorship, like we call it, the, cordon sanitaire, which actually means that the far right parties are forbidden in the, news medias. Yeah. Sorry for my english. Its really bad. So yeah, i have seen, like, i or 2 videos of it, with the police and with the, member of the flemish parliament, right wing extremists. Yeah. And with the more. But i dont have any further information about it. A tunisian businessman stepped in to allow this club to host the event. After two previous venues cancelled under pressure. He then stood firm after receiving several threats , after receiving several threats, calling on him to drop the conference. Day two of the conference. Day two of the conference only went ahead after an overnight legal challenge pushed back against the mayors orders, and despite all of this, very few leading voices in the eu have come out in favour of free speech and against the mayors ban. Charlie peters , gb mayors ban. Charlie peters, gb news brussels and charlie does raise a very important point there, which is the vlaams parties, which are flemish nationalist parties, separatist parties that want to leave belgium. The cordon sanitaire means basically they get no press coverage whatsoever in belgium , coverage whatsoever in belgium, and they often struggle to hold events. What was really interesting this morning was viktor orban said at the start, i grew up in the soviet union. In 1988, we founded fidesz in hungary, still part of a soviet empire. And time and again he said, we would book meeting rooms to have events, only to have them cancelled. And he have them cancelled. And he reminded us that modern day brussels now genuinely has shades of that old soviet union. And thats a very serious point. Are you listening in frontbench of the labour party . Because you seem to approve of us being cancelled yesterday. Now, overnight, the legal eagles were very, very busy and im pleased to say that im joined by lorcan price, irish barrister and legal for counsel the Alliance Defending freedom international, which is lorcan, a faith based group. Thats correct. That intervened and helped the organisers of natcon overnight. Organisers of natcon overnight. What happened . Well, what happened was after it became clear that one of our speakers, paul coleman, a colleague of mine, was being prevented from entering, we were as shocked as the organisers of natcon to see this line of police appear outside the venue, and we obtained then a copy of the order from this municipal mayor he was being called the mayor he was being called the mayor of brussels, but we shouldnt give him a title beyond that. He deserves. Although the mayor of brussels had helped cancel the first. That is absolutely correct. Yeah. To that in yeah. And well get to that in a second, because theres more to be said about that, but once we looked at order, it was looked at the order, it was clearly totally disproportionate looked at the order, it was clearlwhat lly disproportionate looked at the order, it was clearlwhat llyessentiallyionate looked at the order, it was clearlwhat llyessentially came. And what it essentially came down he didnt like the down to was he didnt like the gathering because it included people who, and quote, were people who, and i quote, were eurosceptic traditionalist, eurosceptic and traditionalist, among so in order among other things. So in order to protect you from yourselves, he decided there was a public order threat and he was going to close it down. But he never weighed any other considerations in the balance, such as freedom of freedom of expression, freedom of association. And so my colleagues moved then to colleagues moved quickly then to take into the conseil take this case into the conseil detat, which is highest detat, which is the highest Administrative Court in belgium, in get an emergency in order to get an emergency heanng in order to get an emergency hearing to overturn this order. And glad to say that they and im glad to say that they were able to get that case on at 10 pm. And the decision then was made late into the night. And then, as you see, it was issued 230 in the morning. The judge gave the ruling. Thats correct. Yes, yes. So it shows you that be responsive that justice can be responsive when to and it when it needs to be, and it shows you as well. Despite i think, legitimate criticisms that have courts that we would have of courts very came to very often when push came to shove, take the human shove, they did take the human rights considerations into balance that that very balance so that that was very good hear. And it also means good to hear. And it also means as that think this is as well, that i think this is a point that conservatives ought to human rights to remember, these human rights provisions and provisions exist in law, and we should them so as we should use them so long as we have the opportunity to use them, they wont them, because they wont be. Theyre weve theyre necessary forever, weve seen threats in the seen all kinds of threats in the past rescind them. And so past to rescind them. And so long as theyre there, we should try and ensure that they act in a way that is fair to everybody. So it doesnt matter what side of the political spectrum youre on, you should be able to have the right to freedom of association and expression. Yeah. Mean, with or without yeah. I mean, with or without human this actually human rights, this actually should given freedom should be a god given freedom that with. Frankly that were born with. Frankly absolutely, and you absolutely, absolutely. And you mentioned the first the big mayor of brussels, mr klaus, what was his involvement . Well, i mean, were yes. Well, i mean, there were two other that cancelled two other venues that cancelled before came to this point. So before it came to this point. So im brussels has something im told brussels has Something Like mayors, but big boss like 19 mayors, but the big boss in centre, put pressure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far centre, put pressure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far asntre, put pressure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far as were put pressure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far as were aware pressure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far as were aware at ssure. Like 19 mayors, but the big boss in far as were aware at thise. As far as were aware at this point on the first venue, which is the venue, i actually spoke out years ago when i spoke out two years ago when i spoke at natcon concert nobile. At natcon and concert nobile. Then things to the sofitel then things moved to the sofitel and came under significant and they came under significant pressure as well. And i think theres more to be said about who was pressuring them. Ive heard rumours about that. There were politicians, were quite senior politicians, even union, even from the European Union, who pressuring now we who were pressuring them. Now we dont but it will. Dont know yet, but it will. Mayor the district the mayor of the district that sofitel was in, is a that was sofitel was in, is a member of the same Political Party my old friend guy party as my old friend guy verhofstadt. Not surprised. Well, im not surprised. Well, im not surprised. Wouldnt be surprised at i wouldnt be surprised if at least he wasnt involved in least if he wasnt involved in some this genuinely some way. This this genuinely went most went global in the most extraordinary im very extraordinary way. Yes im very pleased to say that gb news was absolutely in the forefront, covering the thing live covering the whole thing live and very , very exciting. Getting and very, very exciting. Getting back mr benn in the comments back to mr benn in the comments that i made a few minutes ago is this could this be a watershed moment . I think theres a strong possibility. It is the spectacle of seeing some minor bureaucrat being able to deploy the riot police armed troops, essentially because the Belgian Police are all armed, to create this, this cordon sanitaire, this line to prevent people from entering a venue totally mainstream speakers yourself Suella Braverman academics like jon rahm and John Osullivan and my colleague paul coleman, talking about very mainstream conservative topics that millions of people across europe support , to say that they are so support, to say that they are so toxic that we need to actually use the strong arm of the state, the police, to stop that from happening. I think its absolutely extraordinary. And youve a situation youve been through a situation yourself where yourself of course, where weve seen cancellation by private organisations, or venues. Organisations, banks or venues. Weve all suffered through this. Its different expert. Indeed its a different expert. Indeed you its a different level. You are. Its a different level. I think, of seriousness where the police are deployed in that kind of way. And so i think the kind of way. And so i think the opfics kind of way. And so i think the optics of that really have struck home for that reason. Yeah i do. Struck home for that reason. Yeawell, . Struck home for that reason. Yeawell, lets hope that in well, lets hope that in future, as i said , no one can future, as i said, no one can deny the existence of cancel culture. Think dealt culture. I think weve dealt with pretty with that correct pretty effectively. Say effectively. And all i can say really , to you guys, to you and really, to you guys, to you and your team in brussels, is terrific job you did in supporting that con winning that legal action during the middle of the and the conference of the night. And the conference went and tell you what, of the night. And the conference werwhole and tell you what, of the night. And the conference werwhole thing tell you what, of the night. And the conference werwhole thing is ll you what, of the night. And the conference werwhole thing is a you what, of the night. And the conference werwhole thing is a huge vhat, the whole thing is a huge victory for speech, isnt it . I think it absolutely is. Yeah. Good day. Really, really good day. Im delighted in a moment we will cross to the palace of westminster. Lets find out what is going with the game of is going on with the game of parliamentary ping pong over rwanda. House of rwanda. And will the house of lords everyone expects lords do what everyone expects them do . Which means fold them to do . Which means fold this because im some of your thoughts on what happenedin some of your thoughts on what happened in brussels yesterday and today. One viewer says it is one of the biggest ever examples of cancel culture. And one that has even seen people on the left comment how bad it is. Yes. Owen jones made some comments like that earlier, and peter says i think it is a watershed moment. I want to know who was really behind trying to shut the conference down apart from the mayor. Yeah, well, i did speculate earlier on about the Political Party of guy verhofstadt. I cant say it was him, but i thought the point that Charlie Peters made that almost nobody in the European Union was critical of what happened you awful happened, tells you an awful lot. Was there, folks, for 20 lot. I was there, folks, for 20 years and seven months. And i promise you, no alternative opinion is tolerated. Right to the palace of westminster. And the palace of westminster. And Christopher Hope gb news is political editor. As the game of parliamentary ping pong continues, so , joe, as i continues, so, joe, as i understand it, chris, the commons have now sent it all back to the lords. Back to the lords. Yes. Evening nigel, from the historic thousand year Old Westminster hall. This is how politics works. Not in brussels, but in westminster, where the house of commons decided to do things and the lords can ask the commons to think again. Thats happened three times so far this afternoon. There were four attempts amend or weaken if attempts to amend or weaken if the government, in the governments view, the safety of rwanda bill, that those are those to those measures, went back to the house lords we speak. House of lords as we speak. Peers are now speaking, discussing three amendments to send back to the house of commons from lord hope, the former judge, lord brown, the formerjudge, lord brown, the formerjudge, lord brown, the former labour defence secretary, and baroness chakrabarti, the former of liberty. These former head of liberty. These will, these will look at trying to ensure that there must be declared a safe country by an independent monitoring body that migrants fleeing afghanistan, whether with uk forces, whether fought with uk forces, wont be sent to rwanda. And baroness chakrabarti one is about individual claims which could tie the whole thing up in knots for years. Thats whats happening right now. Well find out whether, firstly, whether the put to a vote the lords put this to a vote thats not certain. We know that. Know the labour peers that. We know the labour peers will these measures. Will vote for these measures. But the crossbenchers but will the crossbenchers support and will that be support them and will that be enough to get it over the line . It seems like they they may get through. And if that happens, nigel, wont surprised to nigel, you wont be surprised to hear been saying it all hear youve been saying it all week. Means wont become week. It means it wont become law tomorrow. The safety of rwanda it will forward rwanda bill. It will go forward into more delay, into another week. More delay, as speculating on, as you were speculating on, i think we spoke about think when we last spoke about this yesterday, more delay to this, we have heard today this, but we have heard today from border force expert from former border force expert saying he thinks the flights will take off in june. If this is if this bill becomes law in short order and the idea of the whips had it would have been they targeted tomorrow that now may not happen. If the lords get their way tonight. Yeah. Well, chris, as you say, were still speculating. Say, were still speculating. Im just just had this im just ive just had this feeling since monday weve feeling since monday that weve got rebellious house of got a very rebellious house of lords, government towards the lords, a government towards the fag end of years. And if they fag end of 14 years. And if they ever wanted to kick up ever wanted to really kick up rough, now was a big moment to do it. Rough, now was a big moment to doit. Thank rough, now was a big moment to do it. Thank you. And by the way , telephone , do give me the telephone number border force guy number of the border force guy because i do to have a £10 because i do want to have a £10 bet with him. Any more drama . Chris, back to us. Thank chris, come back to us. Thank you very much indeed. Now, with you very much indeed. Now, with the albanians in particular who were coming into the uk in very, very large quantities last year, i did show you a series of tiktok adverts and images. Well, someones done the work of putting all this together. Its putting all this together. Its zach garner purkiss, investigations editor of express. Co. Uk. Welcome back. Thank you. On the program. Lets begin by showing something that you put together from a guy called alex visscher, who is a big time criminal but almost a celebrity now on tiktok, isnt he . Well , i he . Well, i mean, what we found was or what we exposed was essentially just an absolute, just blatant, brazen criminality just blatant, brazen criminality just on tiktok, on instagram and going back years as well. So were talking about wanted posters for, for, for people that have supposedly robbed drug farms. Yeah. And here he is now on our telly and, and some of the language that is being used is pretty vile, but this guy and his brother have made fortune out of cannabis farms in the uk. There he is boasting up to 2300 cannabis plants every couple of months. I mean, the remarkable thing about this, right, which is to us, this is shocking. But over us, this is shocking. But over there, if you speak to particularly young people, theyll say, okay, uk cannabis farms, this is just like Common Knowledge to every person in the street. And the thought is if you go to the uk, you can make a fortune from just sitting in house. Well, and you sat down and interviewed one of these guys, lets, lets have a look at some of those video clips on the screen for our viewers, really, really interesting because what he was saying, basically what he was saying is that. Yeah, lets, lets, lets have a look at this. Sit down between zach and this. Sit down between zach and this drug lord. These videos dont just show drug production facilities. They drug production facilities. They also provide details about how these farms operate and the money that can be earned by workers and growers. Well. Workers and growers. Well. Right now, even more beth mead mo mowlam josh howie. Mead mo mowlam josh howie. There you go. 5 to £6000 a month. And here you are sitting down with the drug lord. Social media not only influence locals to travel to britain illegally, its also provided the method for him to get there. Just modern cmg dimmitt of the number of tiktok, which is the so called main taxi tregoose. His story was tregoose. His story was corroborated by a people trafficker. We tracked down who boasted about making posts that immediately went viral on social media for a moment in, the most common hinckley a dawn neesom anas sarwar. Anas sarwar. Well, great work, zach. You know, youre finding those that have come as a result of the adverts and those that are organising the whole thing. I also read in the notes theyre told if the police raid, say, claim the modern slavery act. Well, actually thats a remarkable because that was actually one of the videos that was around tiktok, was flying around on tiktok, which has, advice for if youre in a cannabis farm and you get raided, what whats the site been hundreds of been viewed hundreds of thousands times, was posted thousands of times, was posted years ago. Its just all been up there and nobody has been doing anything about it. We have a police force. We have a border force. What are they doing, zach . Well but this is the thing of like, social media. Its like they just dont seem theres well, theres certain parts of social media that they want to police. And then theres brazen criminality which that which all of a sudden that exists in kind of invisible exists in this kind of invisible spot that like, nobody able spot that like, nobody is able to happen, like, these to happen, but like, these things clearly theyre just things are clearly theyre just theyre laughing in the face of, of the police and, and the beneficiaries, the beneficiaries, the beneficiaries, apart from the criminals, the beneficiaries, of course, are meta drones , course, are meta drones, instagram and tiktok, because theyre making money off the back of this , arent they . Well, back of this, arent they . Well, this is the remarkable thing about some these influencers about some of these influencers that found out in albania that we found out in albania that we found out in albania that are saying theyre promoting a criminal lifestyle in the uk , tiktok is taking in the uk, tiktok is taking basically the way it works is people tip them so they send them a bit of money. Tiktok takes 50 of that. So they are directly making money from it. With, meta instagram, we know they like to keep people on their platforms. Whatever means , their platforms. Whatever means, whether its promoting drug farms or , you know, looking at farms or, you know, looking at what moves to do in the gym, like they dont mind. And its just its wild that its just been going on like this under the noses of everyone. I mean, i the noses of everyone. I mean, i couldnt believe it. Like how long these things have been up there for and that im one of there for and that im one of the first people to kind of bnng the first people to kind of bring this to attention because ive not seen it anywhere. Anywhere else. Well, weve tried this program to tried all this program to occasionally things, but occasionally do things, but youve strings of all youve drawn the strings of all this done it very, this together and done it very, very and dont forget, very well. And dont forget, folks paid million folks who is paid £15 million a year working for meta. Whats his , i think his name is his name, i think his name is sir nick clegg. Yes, there you are. But no yes, there you are. But no joy yes, there you are. But no joy from him. So one of the things well, so one of the things that we wanted to do, and i would encourage everyone to, you know, go to the express youtube and the video yourself and watch the video for yourself so you get the full story on so you can get the full story on this one, but wanted kind this one, but we wanted to kind of to it. So weve of put a face to it. So weve weve got a who we spoke to weve got a guy who we spoke to an ex Police Officer and said, you know, got someone that you know, weve got someone that understands britain, understand these hes these british laws. And hes at these british laws. And hes at the top meta and, well, when the top of meta and, well, when we went to go and find it, we asked for an interview. We didnt get a response to that. So, you know, i went and knocked on his door, didnt get a response to that. So look, nick, if youre watching. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Its still open. Its still its still open. Very why you that very explain why you got that stuff your platform. Stuff on your platform. Zach. Great work. Thanks ever so for coming again. So much for coming on again. And folks, where folks, express. Co. Uk is where you go to see more of you need to go to see more of zachs work. I tiktok spokesman said they work closely with uk law enforcement, the National Crime agency and aid organisations to fight this industry wide issue and they have a strictly maintained a zero tolerance approach to human exploitation. Meta said buying, exploitation. Meta said buying, selling or soliciting drugs is not allowed on our platforms. When we find content coordinating this illegal activity, we remove it from our platforms and the Home Office Said , here we go. The uk and said, here we go. The uk and albanian authorities have a close working partnership, and we take every opportunity to intercept criminals and speed up the removal of those with no legal right to be in the uk. Well, thats all well and good, but theyre not just coming in via the channel, folks. Theyre coming the back of lorries coming in in the back of lorries as well. In a moment, an important story. A march together today in london together today put on in london called is enough and its called enough is enough and its about victims financial about victims of financial crime. Some of whom are getting treated by hmrc as if they were criminals there are far too many victims of financial fraud and crime in this country. And very often they form together their own little groups. Well, today, something remarkable happened. Something remarkable happened. They came together as one big collective and did a march collective group and did a march under the banner. Enough is enough. Under the banner. Enough is enough. And gb news adam cherry enough. And gb news adam cherry was there to find out what happened. Thats right. Nigel. Yeah. So it was. It was a big march today, actually. Surprised. I actually. I was surprised. I think some the people, they think some of the people, they were by many were surprised by how many people the people were there and the important say about important thing to say about this is its organised this is this is its organised by Transparency Task force. By the Transparency Task force. Its just 1 or 2 groups over its not just 1 or 2 groups over a specific issue, like pension fraud investment its fraud or investment fraud. Its all because all of them together because they realised that their voice is more powerful in that way. And more likely to get noticed as it has done today. So it started outside the royal courts of justice. I spoke to the leader of the task force, a man called andy agathangelou, and this is what he had to say when he was explaining why he was here and what hes hoping for out of todays marches. Lets take a look at this. Take a look at this. This is so important, adam, because todays meeting isnt about any one individual campaign organisation. What campaign organisation. What makes this wonderful gathering different is that everybody has learned that individually, the Campaign Groups are not strong enough. Campaign groups are not strong enough. Were all coming enough. Were all coming together. We all know that enoughis together. We all know that enough is enough, and thats why were doing what were doing today. Were campaigning for justice. Specifically. Were campaigning for people whove been harmed as a direct consequence of financial misconduct , consequence of financial misconduct, regulatory failure, egregious misconduct by various institutions. And enough is enough. Adam, were here to try and sort it out. So as you see an impassioned speech there, very strong and actually , i spoke to him just actually, i spoke to him just before the camera rolled. He was talking about a chap called ian who was a member of this this task force, new, new andy a little bit. And unfortunately , little bit. And unfortunately, he took his own life in the last few months because of pressure from from the authorities. And hed lost all his money and there was no sympathy. And he was just a lawnmower salesman. I say just but, you know, there were some often when you see these its these sorts of scandals, its high people, footballers high profile people, footballers and there are and so on. Actually, there are some of those there today. But ians story was telling ians story was was telling because can happen to because this can happen to anyone. The common man anyone. Its the common man story. So continue. We story. So marks continue. We went the treasury and went along to the treasury and they were carrying id say its going all through central london. They were carrying the coffin, of what represented the victims of the suicides. So theres lots of see that . Yeah, exactly. As you see there, theres the footage, and so those that represents those who have been lost and they placed it outside hmrcs, head office, this afternoon before heading to parliament and downing street. They you see the image for those watching on television, as i said , i spoke to some of the said, i spoke to some of the more high profile people as well. I spoke to craig short, who is a former, hes an ex professional footballer and premier League Football premier league. Yeah. Used to play for everton in the 90s. Yeah, and he , i everton in the 90s. Yeah, and he ,i asked everton in the 90s. Yeah, and he , i asked him why he was here. Was he, had he been affected by this. It turns out he hadnt. But its a common problem. For footballers involved footballers who get involved in this thing. This is this sort of thing. And this is what had to say. What he had to say. Hoping for reform. You know, its. Ive heard stories there that have fighting its. Ive heard stories there thatfor have fighting its. Ive heard stories there thatfor 20 have fighting its. Ive heard stories there that for 20 years. Fighting its. Ive heard stories there that for 20 years. Groupsghting its. Ive heard stories there thatfor 20 years. Groups have] this for 20 years. Groups have been fighting 20 years. Been fighting for 20 years. People have passed away from natural mentioned people have passed away from nat|suicides, mentioned people have passed away from nat|suicides, of mentioned people have passed away from nat|suicides, of course, ntioned people have passed away from nat|suicides, of course, and|ed people have passed away from nat|suicides, of course, and the the suicides, of course, and the momentum is building. Were working to look at the working people to look at the information. The information. Look at the evidence. Chap in the meeting there in press conference there in the press conference said fraud accounted for said that fraud accounted for 4,040 crime this 4,040 of reported crime in this country , and i think 8 gets country, and i think 8 gets solved. So thats an absolute disgrace. Its a national disgrace. Its a national scandal. And on behalf of our group all the other groups group and all the other groups ive been marching today, ive been marching with today, we needs looking into we need that needs looking into presumably, know, have presumably, you know, we have the fca, we have regulatory authorities , it seems the authorities, it seems the biggest complaint these groups have got is really against them and hmrc as well. Thats right. Yeah. Theres a thats right. Yeah. Theres a theres a general feeling that this one theres not under resourced but also when the likes of hmrc get in touch with under resourced in respect to helping those helping combat scams, once all that happens and theyre theyre now being investigated themselves. Hmrc are allegedly very bullish. You know, they send letter after letter after letter, when you need help from them. Its very difficult when youre in trouble, they get in touch with you very, very easily. Yeah. So i mean, you could receive large lump sum of receive a large lump sum of money. You havent to money. Yeah. You havent got to pay money. Yeah. You havent got to pay tax on it for six months or whatever. You put some of the money an investment, money into an investment, you get and lost get defrauded and youve lost your but you still get your money, but you still get a tax bill. Yeah. So i spoke to a barrister at the press barrister today at the press conference doing for conference whos doing work for these bono. He these guys pro bono. And he said, yeah, you know, you have money stolen and then tax money stolen and then your tax for received. For income you never received. And what are you supposed do . And what are you supposed to do . Mean, other countries yeah, i mean, other countries would treat people in this position victims, the position as victims, but the hmrc assumption seems to be that people guilty its up to people are guilty and its up to them prove their innocence. Them to prove their innocence. Adam i mean, obviously very adam i mean, its obviously very impressive has been impressive that this has been put today and well put together today and well done to the Transparency Taskforce. And argument theyre and i get the argument theyre stronger than being stronger together than being a little individual groups. But where go here . Where does this go from here . Well thats a question. And so their plan at moment is so their plan at the moment is to Statutory Public to get a Statutory Public inquiry the ball inquiry to at least get the ball rolling understand a little rolling to understand a little bit the subpostmasters bit like the subpostmasters scandal. Its incrementally scandal. So its incrementally little bits and pieces. We do more and more on this as we, you know, they and the Media Attention on this through public scrutiny perhaps leads to a more substantial outcome down substantial outcome further down the theyre expecting the road. Theyre not expecting magic because that magic overnight because that would unrealistic , but its would be unrealistic, but its an incremental process that starts like this , i think. Interesting. Adam, thank you very much indeed. And now my very much indeed. And now my what . The farage moment of the day. Weve been hearing a lot of day. Weve been hearing a lot of stories recently about fraud , stories recently about fraud, particularly on universal credit. We the bulgarian credit. We show the bulgarian gang that had ripped £50 million out of the system , and i have to out of the system, and i have to say that that having powers, the department of work and pensions having powers to check into peoples Bank Accounts and assets to make sure theyre not being defrauded , on the face of being defrauded, on the face of it, i think is a good thing, however, and this is worrying, there is an amendment coming into government legislation that would allow the dwp to access bank statements, Bank Accounts which, after all, arent just financial transactions. They also say, well, youve travelled to and many other things that youve done that would allow them to access it for anybody in receipt of dwp money. And that would, of course, include every pensioner in the country. Now, pensioner in the country. Now, you know, i have to say that im not surprised that big brother watch say it is breathtaking that a conservative government is so recklessly creating big brother style spying powers to intrude on the populations Bank Accounts , and this worries me. Accounts, and this worries me. It almost links back to adams story in a sense that, once again, its about financial institutions. Its about their relationship with the government. And i have to say, i really think someone in Parliament Needs to stand up and shout, because government just gets bigger and bigger. Its ability to intrude into our lives and indeed to interfere in our lives gets greater and greater for frankly, not much good at all. Now, a department for work and pensions spokesman said big brother watches claims that dwp will use these measures to reveal information about peoples movements, opinions and medical information are entirely false. The government remains committed to these powers as a method of reducing fraud and error in the benefit system, which will save the taxpayer £600 million over the next five years. There you go folks. You pays your money. You takes your choice. If you trust the government not to get too big, if you trust the government not to intrude, then you really ought to believe every word of that statement. In a moment. That dwp statement. In a moment. The north south divide appears to have opened up in a way that is far bigger than i think any of us could imagine. This is about the number of children in the north of england going into care. But i worry that it shows us genuine societal breakdown. Us genuine societal breakdown. On Patrick Christys tonight, nine till 11 pm, the infamous tiktok prankster mizzy is live in the studio after a sobering stretch behind bars, mizzy says hes a reformed character. Can we believe him . Plus, ive got exclusive footage of what Illegal Migrants on the bibby stockholm barge are really up to. And should the Bank Accounts of benefit claimers be monitored . Is it ever okay to smack a child . Reform . Uk mp lee anderson gives his irrepressible takes. Dont miss Patrick Christys tonight at have a think about these numbers. One in every 52 children in blackpool is in care. One in every 63 children in hartlepool is in care. One in every 278 is in care in hertfordshire , and one in every hertfordshire, and one in every 256 in buckinghamshire is in care. So we have a massive north south divide in terms of the number of children going into care. The fact that in into care. The fact that in blackpool its around about 2. Clearly its very, very alarming. Now ill be the first to say this is not a subject about which i know very much, but im keen to find out what is happening in the north of england is this a direct result of increased poverty or does it reflect a bigger, scarier societal breakdown . Were joining me first is professor kate pickett , academic director kate pickett, academic director of the of Health Equality north, kate, i can scarcely believe these numbers. What is going on . Well, im glad youre shocked. And thanks for having me on. And this is something we really need to be talking about. We know that some of this reason is for exactly what you said. It is for exactly what you said. It is due to rising poverty. So 28 of englands children live in the north, but its 36 of its population of children in care. So theres definitely a serious problem here that we need to be thinking about, right . Yeah. And we know that in five the years between 2015 and 2020, rising poverty rates led to an additional 10,000 children going into care. But additional 10,000 children going into care. But i additional 10,000 children going into care. But i also want to into care. But i also want to point out that the child care population in the north isnt just northern kids. We do see children moved from the south to the north into care because its cheaperin the north into care because its cheaper in the north. Yeah, and thats the same argument that gets used for asylum seekers. Things are cheaperin asylum seekers. Things are cheaper in the north. Okay, so maybe that does skew the figures even maybe that does skew the figures ever. So not much. Okay but but but are we saying that poverty is the main reason or is it family breakdown. Is it adult family breakdown. Is it adult drug dependency . Is it abuse of children . I mean, im sure theres a whole catalogue of reasons. Can we can we pin down one area, you know, other than just people being poor . Yes. We can certainly pin down poverty as a root cause of all those other causes that youre talking about. So poverty as a cause of the causes. So yes, cause of the causes. So yes, some children are taken into care because of, drug or addiction problems that their parents have , family breakdown, parents have, family breakdown, all sorts of other reasons. But all sorts of other reasons. But poverty is a root cause of all of those things , right . Of those things, right . And no prospect of that turning around in short order. So this is clearly a massive burden on councils all over the north of england. The Economic Cost of this must be simply enormous. Yes. The staggering. And of course it always costs more to cure than it does to prevent so weve got local authorities with shrinking budgets , but theyve shrinking budgets, but theyve got to spend money on children in care because thats a statutory requirement. They have to take care of children. But they have less and less money with which to do that. Increasing number of children and all of that money could be better spent on prevention, on supporting families. So they supporting families. So they didnt get to that point in the first place. Okay. Professor kate pickett, thank you for coming on and telling us just how bleak the situation is. Im also joined down the line by doctor bernard gallagher, independent Child Protection researcher. Bernard, ive just to kate briefly ive just spoke to kate briefly there, same with you. What on earth is going on . And she talked about prevention. What can we do . Can we do . We could do a lot , can we do . We could do a lot, i think its important to say, first of all, though, that ive been studying Child Protection for about 35 years, and ive never come across a case of a child being taken into care because its poor, children are taken into care, invariably because of their parents severe psychosocial problems. Those problems sometimes manifest in drug misuse, domestic abuse, Mental Health problems. That Mental Health problems. That makes those parents unwilling or unable to care for their children. Thats why their children. Thats why their children are taken into care. But the irony taken into care in the most extreme circumstances. And as i say, ive never came across a case of a child being taken into care because of poverty. No, the argument, i guess, is that poverty could lead to other social problems, but i absolutely get bernard. Absolutely get bernard. Poverty doesnt lead to the severity of problems that children experience. What were talking about primarily here is severe abuse and neglect. Poverty does not cause severe abuse and neglect, which leads to children being taken into care. Its as i say , mental care. Its as i say, Mental Health problems, Domestic Violence and substance misuse. Its parents profound psychosocial problems that leads to their children being taken into care. Now in terms of what we can do about, i mean , about we can do about, i mean, about these severe cases, but also child abuse and neglect cases more generally. I think what we desperately need to do is invest much more in those agencies that are working to prevent these problems. And since the onset of austerity in 2010, weve lost Something Like a third of health visitors, a third of our School Nurses , hundreds of children nurses, hundreds of children centres have closed, which was designed primarily to help the most deprived and vulnerable families in society. And just finally, the police now dont have enough resources whereby they can fully investigate all they can fully investigate all the digital devices they seize in suspected child sex abuse cases. And when they arent in, sort of examining all those digital devices , it means that digital devices, it means that victims of child sexual abuse are going undetected. So we desperately need , as your desperately need, as your previous speaker said, we desperately need to invest more in those services to prevent these cases. The money we spend as a nafion the money we spend as a nation on health and care goes up and up and up, and yet there seems to be a totally insatiable demand. I wonder, perhaps sometimes, whether were spending the money in the right place. The problem is a number of children are going up, and i think also talking more generally, we are becoming more aware of Child Protection related issues such as, female genital mutilation, forced marriages, child exploitation, internet abuse problems. We didnt know about before, or sometimes problems we chose to turn a blind eye to. So now, thankfully, we should be pleased that we are addressing this these issues now is expensive to address these issues. But again, as your previous speaker said, its much better we spend the money now in either preventing the problems or reducing their severity than trying to pick up the pieces later afterwards. But ogallagher, thank you very much indeed. And folks at home and in your cars. As i say, this is not a subject i know very much about. Interesting to get those opinions particularly interesting when bernard there said that poverty of itself isnt a reason for children going into care, but it is the psychological, deep psychological, deep psychological problems being suffered by parents. And i just wonder, i wonder what percentage of this is down to drug use. I bet its pretty or misuse of alcohol or whatever else it may be. I bet its pretty high. Well, im joined in the studio by Jacob Rees Mogg. Jacob, what have you got . What have you got coming up . Coming up . Well, were going to be talking about the house of lords again carries on. So whats again as carries on. So whats going happen tonight . Well going to happen tonight . Well theres which theres one vote already which im has already been im sure has already been reported the government has reported that the government has lost. So itll definitely be back. Extraordinary back. This is extraordinary because lords is because the house of lords is really pushing the constitution to limits. Did . Yes. To its limits. You did . Yes. And, ive all i was saying at the time was that if they followed the conventions , it followed the conventions, it would get through, but theyve decided not to, and thats quite serious. Very, very interesting. But at least we have free speech in parliament. Well, so far, which you dont do. You got caught out by the brussels gestapo. Yeah, but we won. Won yeah, but we won. You won a huge victory for free speech, which is good news. And the mayor was a hard left mayor didnt agree with you. Yeah, you. Yeah, yeah. In fact, yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, basically in belgium, in brussels, no alternative views allowed. And youre sure hes not on your staff because he got you so much favourable publicity . I thought it must be your agent. Whether its the bank cancelling me or those people, they seem to do me a huge they all seem to do me a huge favour. Lets look favour. Lets have a look with alex and see. Are the alex deakin and see. Are the april going to improve . April showers going to improve . Like things are heating looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. Good evening. On gb news. Good evening. Temperatures dropping away tonight. Its going to be a cold start tomorrow. Much the start tomorrow. Much of the south fine, but south will stay fine, but further some rain and further north some rain and cloud in thanks to this cloud moving in thanks to this little of low pressure little area of low pressure thats drifting south. Ahead of that, weve couple of that, weve had a couple of weather fronts bringing some rain particularly for rain today, particularly for northern now Northern Ireland thats now spreading parts of spreading south across parts of pembrokeshire, and pembrokeshire, devon and cornwall. Through cornwall. But clearing through this , further showers this evening, further showers across eastern theyll across eastern england. Theyll steadily as well. And where steadily fade as well. And where weve got the clear skies, southern scotland, northwest england, wales a hint of blue on the chart suggesting will the chart suggesting there will be frost. Certainly in the be a frost. Certainly in the countryside. Towns and countryside. Most towns and cities about above cities just about staying above freezing, certainly chilly freezing, but certainly a chilly start thursday for many start to thursday for many a bright sunny start. There could be some showers early on across kent. They should fade, but rain will creep into for the highlands of scotland, the Western Isles first thing, and thatll spread across most of scotland lunchtime. Parts of scotland by lunchtime. Parts of the east of northern the north and east of Northern Ireland seeing and ireland seeing some rain and through the afternoon, turning damp england and damp over Northern England and north much the north wales. But much of the south stay and bright. North wales. But much of the soucould stay and bright. North wales. But much of the soucould reach and bright. North wales. But much of the soucould reach 15 and bright. North wales. But much of the soucould reach 15 innd bright. North wales. But much of the soucould reach 15 in london. T. We could reach 15 in london. A brighter across east anglia , brighter day across east anglia, cooler further north, with the winds picking those brisk winds picking up on those brisk winds, feature of the winds, then a feature of the weather as well. Weather on friday as well. Friday speaking, friday broadly speaking, a mixture of sunshine and showers, a duller day across the south east and a much wetter day across east anglia compared to tomorrow. Feeling chilly again with much of with that winds, much of Northern Ireland scotland having a drier day but still on the fresh side. 8 to 14 degrees a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation. Tonight. The commons has rejected all the lords amendments to the rwanda bill. And now the lords has decided to pong back. But will the Democratic House ever prevail . A judge has claimed that not being a feminist could amount to an act of discrimination in breach of the equality act. But does this get to the heart of the liberal paradox that liberals cant tolerate . Illiberalism. 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