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Charge. Last april, the scottish conservatives said the re arrest of mr murrell was an extremely Serious Development and the Scottish Labour Party agreed it was an incredibly concerning development. Meanwhile, the Scottish Government has today scrapped its interim target, aimed at reducing the countrys Carbon Emissions by 75 by the year 2030. The minister for net zero said the original target was unattainable , so a revised was unattainable, so a revised package of measures would deliver scotlands transition to net zero at a pace and scale , net zero at a pace and scale, she said was feasible. Greenpeace, though, said the Scottish Governments decision to scrap the climate targets was embarrassed and infuriating. But first minister humza yousaf told the Scottish Parliament today overall net zero goals by 2045 wouldnt be budging. In other wouldnt be budging. In other news today, Andrew Malkinson, who 20 years ago was wrongly jailed for rape , has rejected jailed for rape, has rejected the criminal cases review commissions unreserved apology to him, saying its been too little , too late. 57 year old little, too late. 57 year old Andrew Malkinson was found guilty of raping a woman in manchester in 2003 and a year later jailed for life. He could have been released after six years if hed given a false confession, something he was never prepared to do , instead never prepared to do, instead always protesting his innocence. His conviction was overturned after fresh dna evidence linked the crime to another man. Mr malkinson had applied for his case to be referred to the court of appeal, but had been rejected twice. The lord chancellor said today his case had been an atrocious miscarriage of justice. Sir keir starmer said today the rwanda scheme is a gimmick and a waste of taxpayers money. After the latest blow to the governments flagship bill in the house of lords last night, the labour leaders comments came as downing street declined to comment on the Prime Ministers spring deadline to get deportation flights off the ground. Its understood number ground. Its understood number 10 will publish more detail about those flights once they say the asylum legislation has passed through parliament, mps will be considering the lords amendments to the bill next week, probably monday , but the week, probably monday, but the governments already indicated it wont be making any concessions. And just lastly, team gb has unveiled its brand new olympic kit today ahead of the paris games this summer. The kit , featuring the classic red, kit, featuring the classic red, white and blue british colours and adidas, the manufacturers whove produced that clothing, said the aim was to create a design that celebrates the unique aspects of great britain, whilst encapsulating the passion within each and every athlete. Thats the news. For the latest stories do sign up to gb news alerts. Scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common shirts. Good evening. These are very tough times for rishi sunak , the tough times for rishi sunak, the Prime Minister and leader of the conservative party. Some polling out overnight done by lord ashcroft, published in the daily mail, suggests his personal net Approval Rating is now 59. Give you some context of what that means. That puts him on an equivalent of where john major was back in the mid 1990s, but more interestingly , he almost more interestingly, he almost exactly where Jeremy Corbyn was on the eve of the 2019 general election. But theres something even worse than that in this polling. It suggests that on defence, taxation, migration and brexit. And think about those four, because theyre all areas that historically would have been stronger for conservatives and for the labour party in all four of those areas. We find labour are now more trusted. Keir Starmers Labour Party , keir Starmers Labour Party, more trusted than rishi sunaks conservative, lives now. The one thing we can also say through this and much other polling, is there is no great enthusiasm for keir starmer, no great love of keir starmer, no great love of keir starmer, no great love of keir starmer. Keir starmer, no great love of keir starmer. This is not 1997, keir starmer. This is not 1997, its not tony blair riding in on a white horse. And things can only get better. And i do wonder sometimes whether a lot of the numbers in the labour lead are just saying we cant bear the tories, we feel let down by them. Were going to go for labour with perhaps not being that sincere about it. Now history suggests that things can turn around. It suggests that as turn around. It suggests that as elections get closer, polls narrow. And i can think of the 87 general election, but perhaps even more so the 1992 election, when everybody thought neil kinnock would win the election. And yet john major got a majority of just over 20. But to that, i think this i dont think the polling in those days was quite as accurate as it is today. But i also think this i dont believe this ashcroft poll or many other polls that have been put out. I dont believe its really about rishi sunak. I think if Winston Churchill came back and led the conservative party, it wouldnt really help their ratings very much. My belief is its the conservative brand thats really taking the hit 14 years. People feel very let down. Nobody quite believes anything. They come up with and say, and they keep changing leader anyway. How on earth leader anyway. How on earth were getting rid of rishi sunak after the may the 2nd elections improve their prospects . I believe that the tory brand is absolutely in the bin. I dont absolutely in the bin. I dont think rishi can recover. But tell me am i wrong . Can rishi recover . Farage gbnews. Com now im joined on my right by Scarlett Mccgwire director of polling firm jr partners and gb news owen Albie Amankona and you of course have founded conservatives against racism for equality. Correct. Albeit youre not as pessimistic about me, about the conservatives chances or rishis chances are. You know, im not as pessimistic because i think if we look back in history and you put you did put some general election polling to just election polling to us just then, you mentioned that the then, and you mentioned that the polling accurate in polling wasnt as accurate in those and well just talk those days. And well just talk about election that about another election that maybe recent in time, maybe is more recent in time, the general election, when the 2017 general election, when theresa snap theresa may called that snap election, think the election, i think the conservatives were 25 points ahead the polls when that ahead in the polls when that election was called, the party almost took granted the fact almost took for granted the fact that it might actually win the election. And by the end of that election. And by the end of that Election Campaign, Jeremy Corbyn almost won because the campaign was so bad, because the policies werent very good. And ultimately it all changed during the campaign. And what the Election Campaign. And what im saying is, is that whilst the polling Firm Rishi Sunak at the polling Firm Rishi Sunak at the moment is bad, there is no getting away from it. I would love things to improve. Many people in the conservative party want could want things to improve. It could all the general all change during the general Election Campaign. Put you, abby, that id put it to you, abby, that what happened in 2017 is people actually saw theresa may for who what happened in 2017 is people actuwas. Saw theresa may for who what happened in 2017 is people actuwas. They heresa may for who what happened in 2017 is people actuwas. They werent iay for who what happened in 2017 is people actuwas. They werent sure or who she was. They werent sure before. And i would put it to you that people will actually see starmer the see who keir starmer is in the 2024 Election Campaign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen Election Campaign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen they Election Campaign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen they willion campaign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen they will haveampaign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen they will have to paign, see who keir starmer is in the 202athen they will have to make and then they will have to make and then they will have to make a decision, a straight decision between keir between rishi sunak and keir starmer. Starmer. I think at that point the and i think at that point the polls will close. Ill makes a very, ill be makes a very, very good point that we dont good point in that we dont really know quite what who keir starmer is or what he stands for or do we . Well, thats certainly something that we hear an awful lot when we do focus groups. We continually hear that people say were not really sure what it is were not really sure what it is we want. Know, he wants to we want. You know, he wants to do not about the do were not sure about the direction the party and they direction of the party and they are uncertain about the one are uncertain about him. The one thing would say a slight thing i would say as a slight counter to that is i think at this point theres actually more upside in a upside for keir starmer in a campaign there for Rishi Campaign than there is for rishi sunak. Think partly because sunak. So i think partly because i think this idea that rishi sunak of is sunak is out of touch is so persistent, cuts to persistent, and it cuts to something deeper how he something deeper about how he communicates, interacts communicates, how he interacts with people. I all with normal people. I think all of is going to be very of that is going to be very visible on a campaign trail, and weve seen in groups, weve seen like in focus groups, but also polling all but i think also in polling all these about rishi these attributes about rishi sunak people really dont sunak that people really dont like the sort of what they perceive to be talking down to them about lecturing them about them about lecturing them about the it is, the economy, whatever it is, keir for whatever keir starmer, for whatever reason, even though hes not very i dont think very compelling, i dont think many feel compelled. Many voters feel compelled. Inspired keir starmer, inspired by keir starmer, he does little bit more does seem a little bit more normal. Its a bar. Its normal. And its a low bar. Its a very bar for politicians a very low bar for politicians across the moment. Across the board at the moment. Terrible thing to say, what a terrible thing to say, isnt here are with a isnt it . Here we are with a general election coming up, two prospective ministers prospective Prime Ministers and you, you know, from a Polling Company that runs not just polling but focus groups where you this stuff are you get much of this stuff are saying that neither rishi connect saying that neither rishi con no. And its you know, its no. And its you know, its not me saying its not just me saying its something you hear across the board and actually not board and its actually not a problem just for them either. I mean, trust in politicians generally a record low. I generally is at a record low. I mean, thats been sort of steadily decreasing, especially if you think about Something Like but like the expenses scandal. But its now than it is its far worse now than it is then. I think its i think it would be hard for anyone to recreate that sort of tony blair energy 97. Keir often energy in 97. Keir starmer often gets to gets compared unfavourably to tony think he is no tony blair. I think he is no tony blair. I think he is no tony blair, think the tony blair, but i think the circumstances around are very different. Have different. People have significantly in significantly less trust in politicians. Think its hard politicians. I think its hard to them for that. That politicians. I think its hard to certainlyiem for that. That politicians. I think its hard to certainlyiem case. At. That politicians. I think its hard to certainlyiem case. And that politicians. I think its hard to certainlyiem case. And hat politicians. I think its hard to but was that but albys point stands things can change, stands that things can change, things can change. Things are more and i think things are more likely change during an likely to change during an election they Election Campaign than they are in before, matter Election Campaign than they are in long before, matter Election Campaign than they are in long or before, matter Election Campaign than they are in long or short re, matter Election Campaign than they are in long or short that matter Election Campaign than they are in long or short that nyouer how long or short that is. You know, we have an election in know, if we have an election in two in two months, more will happen in that will that six weeks and it will before then. If the before then. Likewise, if the election end of the election is at the end of the yean election is at the end of the year, trust obe is very, very important. Year, trust obe is very, very imrltsant. Year, trust obe is very, very imfits very interesting year, trust obe is very, very imr rwanda interesting year, trust obe is very, very imr rwanda interwhich the the rwanda bill, which the governments on, governments placed so much on, they the pace they could have forced the pace to it through before to try and get it through before recess. Didnt do it. Were recess. They didnt do it. Were now again now told theyre delaying again until almost get until next week. I almost get the dont want the the feeling they dont want the rwanda they they cant because they know they cant deren because they know they cant deliver, becomes law. I am fairly sure we will see the bill go through at the rwanda bill go through at some question some point. The question is, will it actually lead to planes getting the ground, and will getting off the ground, and will those planes getting off the ground boats ground actually lead to boats stopping and ground actually lead to boats stop is|g and ground actually lead to boats stop is the and ground actually lead to boats stop is the cool and ground actually lead to boats stop is the cool point. And ground actually lead to boats stop is the cool point. Rishi|d that is the cool point. 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Nigel, i think it was good pressure, but now theyve deliver theyve actually got to deliver on think problem theyve actually got to deliver on is think problem theyve actually got to deliver on is that think problem theyve actually got to deliver on is that we think problem theyve actually got to deliver on is that we get|k problem theyve actually got to deliver on is that we get reports roblem theyve actually got to deliver on is that we get reports everyn is, is that we get reports every week about the rwanda plan, about accommodation being week about the rwanda plan, abouin accommodation being week about the rwanda plan, abouin rwanda ommodation being week about the rwanda plan, abouin rwanda , mmodation being week about the rwanda plan, abouin rwanda , about ation being week about the rwanda plan, abouin rwanda , about all n being week about the rwanda plan, abouin rwanda , about all of eing sold in rwanda, about all of these issues coming up, about how expensive plane companies werent paying, companies not taking think, taking them. And you just think, well, does pass well, even if it does pass through the and then pass through the lords and then pass through the lords and then pass through is through the commons, is it actually going to stop the boats . Im sure. Boats . Im not sure. So what is going to be no. So what is going to be the one big thing other than starmer making terrible mess starmer making a terrible mess of whats the one big thing of it . Whats the one big thing that sunaks fortunes around . Well, see what happens well, lets see what happens with boats policy with the stop the boats policy and whether or not theyre around. A plan actually works. I think think the small think if i think if the small boat crossings are this boat crossings are lower this summer were last summer than they were last summer, rishi sunak can continue to hes doing better to say that hes doing a better job at stopping the boats than any predecessors. Any of his predecessors. 30 up this yeah well, thats what mean by well, thats what i mean by after the summer. To after the summer. Weve got to wait after summer wait till after the summer period. More period. Then well know more definitively whether or not rishi stop the rishi sunaks plan to stop the boats is better. Youre suggesting thats the issue that could that is issue. I think another issue is just on pure economics. We have seen on pure economics. We have seen inflation come down to 3. 2. Its going to be down to 2 in april. If we believe the estimates, we do know that earnings are growing a faster than growing in a faster way than inflation. Earnings actually inflation. Earnings are actually inflation. Earnings are actually inflation. Are inflation. I think earnings are at inflation will be down at 5. 6. Inflation will be down at 5. 6. Inflation will be down at 2. Weve had the tax cut of 4. So people will start to feel ficher 4. So people will start to feel richer towards the end of the yeah richer towards the end of the year. The question is will they feel richer enough and will they year. The question is will they feel enoughiough and will they year. The question is will they feel enough boats and will they year. The question is will they feel enough boats ind will they year. The question is will they feel enough boats in order they year. The question is will they feel enough boats in order forey stop enough boats in order for people to still trust rishi sunak at the next general election . Election . I trust scarlett, trust my feeling about the conservative brand is theyve lost trust. I think theyve completely lost trust. The things that, you know, you consistently hear from people, i think the things that you can consistently see is theyve been promising an awful you can consistently see is theofe been promising an awful you can consistently see is theof things promising an awful you can consistently see is the of things for mising an awful you can consistently see is the of things for an sing an awful you can consistently see is the of things for an awful] awful lot of things for an awful lot of many of years over a, you know, many different leaders and people continue to complain of the same thing, which they cant see any delivery at i delivery on anything at all. I mean, plan an mean, the rwanda plan is an excellent of its excellent example of this. Its passed Year Anniversary passed the two Year Anniversary just been in the just recently. Its been in the headunes just recently. Its been in the headlines years for headlines for two years for not doing it doesnt headlines for two years for not doing how it doesnt headlines for two years for not doing how they oesnt up matter how much they stand up and to do x, y, and say we are going to do x, y, l and say we are going to do x, y, 2, this what want to do. 2, this is what we want to do. The have just stopped the public have just stopped listening. Than the public have just stopped lithink. G. Than the public have just stopped lithink. Dont than the public have just stopped lithink. Dont believe than the public have just stopped lithink. Dont believe in than the public have just stopped lithink. Dont believe in them i think. Dont believe in them now. Theyre tuning out now. Theyre tuning them out entirely. This is now. Theyre tuning them out entipart this is now. Theyre tuning them out entipart the this is now. Theyre tuning them out entipart the twith; now. Theyre tuning them out entipart the twith the the part the problem with the economy. Completely economy. I can completely understand number economy. I can completely un saying,d number economy. I can completely un saying,d know, number economy. I can completely un saying,d know, we number economy. I can completely un saying,d know, we neednber economy. I can completely un saying,d know, we need to er 10 saying, you know, we need to wait as long as possible, things might get better, and the economy is probably best economy is probably their best hope theres hope at that. I think theres nothing people nothing to say that people are going for nothing to say that people are goinglf for nothing to say that people are goinglf it for nothing to say that people are goinglf it does for nothing to say that people are goinglf it does happen, for nothing to say that people are goinglf it does happen, we or nothing to say that people are goinglf it does happen, we can this. If it does happen, we can see across pond. We do see this across the pond. We do a polling in america. A lot of polling in america. Joe bidens credit for bidens been given no credit for a, you know, an economy thats looking lot than looking an awful lot better than ours. Actually ours. And i think actually this is slightly take. Is a slightly galaxy brain take. So but it could even so forgive me, but it could even be for rishi sunak because be worse for rishi sunak because i think people, especially given what about his what they know about his personal wealth , people get personal wealth, people get particularly to him, particularly sensitive to him, telling the economy is telling them that the economy is better, that they should be feeling better when you know feeling better off when you know consistently, even if things are better year ago, a lot of better than a year ago, a lot of people feel an awful lot worse than they four years ago. Than they did four years ago. And they see things. And thats how they see things. Recover . A word, can rishi recover . In a word, no. Rishi recover . No. Can rishi recover . In a word, yes. Its a big no word, yes. I think its a big no and i dont think its even his fault. I think its the brand. I think its the conservative brand. Theyve spent so much of the five years basically the last five years basically fighting themselves, fighting among themselves, worrying more about the shape of their party. The mistake of their own party. The mistake of their own party. The mistake of the country is my view, but im very, very keen to get your views. Please farage gbnews dot com in a moment. An eyewitness who has been to the asylum courts to see how they operate and how easy it is for those that come here illegally to game the system. Hold on to your hats. Its not a story youre going to enjoy i can rishi recover . Over to you. Can rishi recover . Over to you. Dean says rishi is doomed. All dean says rishi is doomed. All talk and no action. Mel says no. The tories are finished. Well. The tories are finished. Well. And mark says nigel, youre right. The brand is damaged. Right. The brand is damaged. Mainly because boris took them to the edge of being a green liberal party. Theyve gone far too left and dont actually stand for all the conservatives in the country. No, and ill give you, mark my quote again , give you, mark my quote again, which ive used 100 times, and i will go on using. They are a broad Church United by no faith whatsoever. Now heres a story. Whatsoever. Now heres a story. Sam ashworth hayes is assistant comment editor at the Daily Telegraph and he spent a day in britains asylum courts and found out why the system is fundamentally broken. Now i thought, sam, by the way, welcome to the program. I thought wed covered every aspect of asylum and what was going , but we clearly had going wrong, but we clearly had not got our eyes on this. Tell me exactly what happened and what you saw. Of course. So it was following the abdul ezedi case. I wanted in and sort of i wanted to go in and sort of this was the man, the clapham massacre that committed the horrendous alkaline attack on clapham exactly. And clapham common. Exactly. And i wanted to sort of find out a bit about how this has happened and how hed be permitted to stay. And talked to a former and id talked to a former immigration official and hed said, well, you have to said, well, what you have to understand this sort of understand is this sort of person with a criminal record understand is this sort of persorallowed criminal record understand is this sort of persorallowed to ninal record understand is this sort of persorallowed to stay. Record understand is this sort of persorallowed to stay. Rethei being allowed to stay in the country is not a glitch. Its a system as intended and system working as intended and so intended as intended. So i then said, well, okay, i have to go and see what this is in person. So i picked up pretty much a random court, whichever one had hearings day went one had hearings that day i went in, based on in, i picked cases based on which one happened to be starting. I didnt pick them out in didnt know what in advance. I didnt know what i was to hear, first case, was going to hear, first case, someone comes a tourist someone comes in on a tourist visa in 2021, theyre still here. Theyre receiving treatment on the nhs for Mental Health issues , which they say health issues, which they say means they cant leave. And then when they sort of go through the legal arguments, their lawyer says, well , you cant send them says, well, you cant send them back because the home office says is not a safe place says india is not a safe place to travel as a lone woman. And thats her situation would thats what her situation would be. Case ends. I get be. So that case ends. I get shuffled to off the next one person came in on a student visa , person came in on a student visa a , person came in on a student visa , a 14 month student visa. Yeah, theyve been for here 17 years. They the office aware they made the home office aware they were here several years ago, applied for a regularisation, were not granted it. Were not deported, the home office bother to send office did not bother to send a lawyer to the case. So it was just her lawyer and the judge. How was that . They just stop you yeah the home office you there . Yeah the home office were represented were not represented at the heanng were not represented at the hearing. They were not. Hearing. They were not. And why . They just didnt send presenting officer. Send a presenting officer. And this is isnt their job to enforce law . To enforce the law . Well, you would think so. And its that uncommon because well, you would think so. And its go that uncommon because well, you would think so. And its go through ommon because well, you would think so. And its go through the mon because well, you would think so. And its go through the data. ecause well, you would think so. And its go through the data. And|se you go through the data. And actually, think the last six actually, i think the last six quarters or so, 10 sort of quarters or so, 10 of sort of asylum cases, that home office has not sent a presenting officer , immigration case, an officer, immigration case, an asylum case, i should yeah asylum case, i should say. Yeah but it sort of gets worse in this because ive been ive been talking to these form officials. Ive been talking to people who worked policy. And they worked in this policy. And they will the law , as it will say to you, the law, as it basically currently is, means that people very rarely get removed. And because they dont get removed and because theyre here for a long time, they build up legal claims, which they can then deny removed then use to deny being removed in future. And theres this in the future. And theres this wonderful , well, terrible in the future. And theres this wonde which , well, terrible in the future. And theres this wonde which i , well, terrible in the future. And theres this wonde which i thinkell, terrible in the future. And theres this wonde which i think something really, which i think Something Like 60 of the failed Asylum Seekers who came in between 2010 and 2022. Sorry 2020 had not been removed by 2022. So 60 not been removed by 2022. So 60 not been removed. They had no claim to be here. They hadnt been removed and sort of among their number. You had a middle i mean, the Liverpool Hospital bomber. Yeah someone who should not have beenin yeah someone who should not have been in the country, who did, had right to be here. But had no right to be here. But weve basically lost the ability to people whose to remove people whose immigration status is, you know, clearly denied a couple of points. I mean, one of the first points is what i argue with lawyers who fight asylum claims. Lawyers who fight asylum claims. And i say, look, all these people crossing the channel, theyre all young men, or 90 of them. Its all illegitimate. Im told. No, no, nigel, youre told. No no, no, nigel, youre wrong because a huge percentage of these get granted asylum. Therefore they are genuine refugees. What youre telling me refugees. What youre telling me is actually, its incredibly easy in the court to get past with almost nobody standing up and defending the government position. So its a really interesting point because i dont know how these cases ended , because ive these cases ended, because ive been trying to get the information out of the various sort government offices which sort of government offices which have sort of government offices which havi they it, but i know they have it, but theyre it very hard to theyre making it very hard to get but what i can say is, get out. But what i can say is, when back to the asylum when you go back to the asylum cases, know, france cases, you know, france is accepting and were accepting 28 and were accepting 28 and were acceptingi saw some albanian yeah, i saw some albanian stuff about 18 months ago that we were accepting 50 of albanians and germany was accepting zero. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And so theres obviously something awry handling something awry in our handling of cases, in our handling of these cases, in our handling of these cases, in our handling of these cases, in our handling of the legal system, in the way the office enforces it. And the home office enforces it. And theres, more you the home office enforces it. And ther control . Control . I think they essentially have sort of, theyve let the system slip beyond their grasp because theres so many moving and theres so many moving parts and its complicated. And they its so complicated. And they i think a the hostile think in a way the hostile environment basically an environment was basically an admission failure, that they admission of failure, that they were to remove were no longer able to remove people they were no longer people that they were no longer able from coming able to keep people from coming in. Try and make it in. So just try and make it a bit harder to here. But you bit harder to stay here. But you can can live here for can see people can live here for 17 years irregularly and be basically. Raised basically. Have you raised you know, youve journalistic have you raised you know, youvon journalistic have you raised you know, youvon on journalistic have you raised you know, youvon on behalflistic have you raised you know, youvon on behalf of ic work on this on behalf of the telegraph and done. Telegraph and well done. You have this the have you raised this with the relevant ministers . Ive discussed it with some politicians. I cant really say who i know, sure, but, its not yet been gone to the home office, so perhaps this was the next step. Is to go and demand, like, why are you not fixing this . Well, please do. Yeah, and come back to us when you get an answer and well, we will, you know, broadcast it here on air because i, i think, you know, as you say, you come here illegally, you overstay your visa, you then get free Mental Health treatment on the National Health service, and that then becomes a reason why you should stay. I mean, we need some proper answers to this. And we need i to yeah. And we need i want to know how these were know how these cases were resolved. And making it resolved. And theyre making it very the information very hard to get the information out not publish out because they do not publish asylum results in the asylum courts results in the first they the appeals, first year. They do the appeals, but year. But not for the first year. Well, sam ashworth, hayes, thank coming in and thank you for coming in and giving story. It is giving us that story. It is thoroughly depressing in every way, quite way, but its also quite enlightening. Thank you. As to whats going on. Thank you for joining come back to us with joining us. Come back to us with the in moment. A row the answers in a moment. A row between and the eu over between the uk and the eu over the industrial fishing of sandhills. I know it sounds incredibly boring, but you know what . It really, really isnt. The sand eel is absolutely vital for breeding seabirds and for fish stocks. And for once, i think the British Government might just have got it right for the eu. Dont like it . When i first 7 when i first got to the european parliament. Back in 1999, one of the things that really surprised me was the scale of what they call industrial fishing. And this was a fleet, predominantly a danish fleet, not solely but predominantly danish fleet, going into the north sea and catching sand eels, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of sand eels every single year. And those sand eels being ground up, used as fertiliser, used to feed salmon farms , and, you know, you salmon farms, and, you know, you take the sand eels out of the sea and its very, very bad for news breeding seabirds for all sorts of other fish species. I sorts of other fish species. I always thought the whole thing was crackers. Now, using what post brexit fishing powers we have , weve decided to stop sand have, weve decided to stop sand eel fishing in british waters. But the European Union doesnt like it. It says were breaking the terms of our agreement with discriminating against European Union boats, and thats really heading for one hell of a row. I rarely agree, rarely agree with much the British Government has done on fishing, but on this i actually do believe theyre right. Well, lets get a view from richard kilpatrick, Campaign Manager of the European Movement in the united kingdom. Now were dealing here, i guess, richard, with a number of things. Were dealing with the brexit deal, the ongoing relationship with europe and the environmental aspects of this. How do you see this standoff . How do you see this standoff . Yeah, i think its really interesting, nigel. I mean, i think i see this from two different angles. I guess there is the point of divergence which youve already made, which is the difference in rules and how thats going to evolve over the next couple of years. But then thats going to evolve over the next co also of years. But then thats going to evolve over the next co also the ears. But then thats going to evolve over the next co also the need but then thats going to evolve over the next co also the need to jt then thats going to evolve over the next co also the need to be hen theres also the need to be compliant trade and compliant with the trade and cooperation agreement. And on the of eel the specific issue of eel fishing, and ultimately its the impact on dredging and the environmental impact. You know, the eu have already passed legislation aims to phase legislation that aims to phase out the practice by 2030. And it would be great, actually, on this particular issue, if the eu could meet our standards in this country. It would country. But i think it would also if the uk were also be great if the uk were quite were a leading voice in the compliance on the way of compliance on dredging member the way of compliance on dreieuropean member the way of compliance on dreieuropean community,nber the way of compliance on dreieuropean community, there is the european community, there is clearly dispute and obviously clearly a dispute and obviously the uk are saying that this is in with the tca, that its in line with the tca, that its not a problem, but this is why we these mechanisms. And we have these mechanisms. And ultimately, the ultimately, you know, if the eu decide to , to enact one of the decide to, to enact one of the mechanisms to allow for an independent review of the dispute. It is it is it is totally within their remit to do that. And if and it is an if the uk has broken the agreement regardless of doesnt regardless of why it doesnt really help in the rebuilding of that trust in the relationship with our neighbours that we really need, especially two years out. From the review of the cooperation the trade and cooperation agreement. We cant yeah, but equally, we cant just on everything, can we . No. Absolutely not. But, ultimately this is about having a good positive relationship with our neighbours. And, you know, we have to look at the impact that brexit has had on the fishing industry as a whole. You know, we were once promised that brexit would be this, this golden all fix all, all, solution to things like kwarteng and the impact on our fishing industry. And, you know, nothing has really got better for, for fishermen. And i think its coming back to us, the European Movement, when we speak to the industry , that brexit, despite industry, that brexit, despite all of the promises, has delivered nothing for the industry. I have to say i rather agree with the spirit of what youve just said, because we should have taken back our territorial waters. We didnt do so we didnt do so. The minimum would have been that 12 miles would have been that 12 miles would have us to be have been for us to be exclusively managing fish. And actually there are probably more eu boats fishing on our six mile line now than theyve ever been at any point. So i think it was at any point. So i think it was a rotten deal, but fishing, fishing, of course, a much more important issue in france than it is in the uk. Weve always lost on fishing, havent we . Well, i actually, i would probably disagree that it is a bigger issue in france, in the uk, i mean, ultimately in the first year of brexit, the ons figures showed that fish and shellfish exports to europe figures showed that fish and shellfish by ports to europe figures showed that fish and shellfish by 83. S to europe figures showed that fish and shellfish by 83. The europe figures showed that fish and shellfish by 83. The industry figures showed that fish and shellfishby 83. The industry has dropped by 83. The industry has been hit by a red tape paperwork, leading to significant delays. And this is significant delays. And this is a delay in an enormous export for quite significant parts of our community that just cant deal with the delay. You know, if you catch something , you have if you catch something, you have to have it in market within 20 hours. Were now looking at taking 3 or 4 days. Additional processing means that things can go wrong. And are serious go wrong. And if we are serious and leave the old and if people leave the old leave and remain debate at the dooh leave and remain debate at the door, no one can seriously look at the body of evidence on the impact of brexit on fishing impact of brexit on the fishing industry say that its been industry and say that its been a its been quite a good thing. Its been quite devastating. Say devastating. Now, you say that that the issue i think that i think the issue i think it was the worst deal ever, richard. It was the worst deal ever. It really was the worst deal eveh it really was the worst deal ever, know. That, ever, you know. And on that, wed agree, richard, got to wed agree, richard, ive got to move its very move on. But but its very valuable have this valuable to have this conversation we may valuable to have this conve from n we may valuable to have this conve from different we may come from different perspectives, some perspectives, but we have some degree agreement, i think, on degree of agreement, i think, on this you very much this issue. Thank you very much indeed. Now, one thing folks, ive noticed over the last few years, and perhaps im getting this wrong, and perhaps im looking from southern looking at this from a southern england perspective, but ive seen a lot more cross saint george flags flying in peoples gardens or in peoples, you know, car stickers than i ever used to see. But perhaps im getting this all wrong because im joined now down the line by stephen walden, chairman of the Leicestershire Branch of the Royal Society of saint george , Royal Society of saint george, who are on the verge, as i understand it, stephen, of closing down. So your society, i mean, im guessing you have an annual lunch or dinner and youre struggling to keep going , youre struggling to keep going, well, weve gone past that, nigel. In actual fact , the nigel. In actual fact, the membership closed the branch in march , weve been struggling for march, weve been struggling for quite a long time with membership, and despite efforts to try and increase the membership. But no, in march, the branch came to a. Sadly, on my watch. So i feel some shame for that as the president former president now. So yes. Unfortunately the Royal Society of saint george, whilst it has members in leicestershire and leicester, doesnt have a branch now. How. Now. And do you feel stephen, this is because a diminution of a sense of englishness and wanting to celebrate it , sense of englishness and wanting to celebrate it, certainly at this end of the england , i hear this end of the england, i hear what you said earlier about the, the prevalence of the saint george flag. However its presented , but certainly at this presented, but certainly at this end of england, there is certainly a diminution. And in fact, looking at the 2021 census in leicester , theres been a 52 in leicester, theres been a 52 rise in the asian population in leicester in the last ten years. Now thats got to contribute. Now thats got to contribute. Now this is legal immigration. So im not suggesting its all yeah legal immigration. So theyre doing what a lot of expats are doing from this country. But unfortunately its diluting englishness in this city. In fact from the same census, only 8. 2 of people in leicester now classed themselves as english. So for an English Society , its difficult. Society, its difficult. 8. 2 of people in the city of leicester describe themselves as engush leicester describe themselves as english correct from the 2021 census. Census. So wow , that that in itself so wow, that that in itself is a problem , for, for is a problem, for, for recruitment. But theres also a, a clear lack of the younger element in the Royal Societys branch before it closed , we branch before it closed, we tried to get the younger element. I personally tried. I went to a couple of educationalist moments and asked if i could put a flyers down in the foyers for the students to pick up at the leisure. I was rejected on both occasions, one establishment said they didnt want to offend international students, the other offend. Yes. Didnt want to offend. International students. Well, but surely if theyre international students, theyve come to study in england. They must have some respect for england. You think like that, nigel . I think like that, nigel. But for some reason, this woke Left Movement in the Education System wont allow their teachers to think like that. And educators, the other one just said they felt it would be inappropriate. And i never really expanded on it beyond that. But thats the sort of problem that were having keeping the english societies going. And i have to say, theres also an element of indolence on behalf of the english. I mean, 8. 2 of the total in in leicester would give you 30,000 people. If i could just have 100 of those 30,000 people, the branch could be open again tomorrow. Well, thank you for coming on, stephen, and sharing your somewhat depressing story about the Royal Society of saint george in leicester. But i think youve explained really rather well why its happened. Thank you. Now we have some you. Yes now we have some breaking news. Im going straight Polly Middlehurst straight to Polly Middlehurst. Nigel, thanks very much indeed. Lets just bring you that breaking news coming to us from Police Scotland within the last , its last few moments, its understood that Nicola Sturgeons understood that nicola sturgeor has been charged in murrell, has been charged in connection, were told, with the embezzlement funds from the embezzlement of funds from the Scottish National Party Following an investigation into the partys finances. The former snp chief executive, of course, rearrested this morning. We were rearrested this morning. We were reporting that earlier on today he was taken into custody around 9 00 this morning. But we understand now from this statement that has just been published by Police Scotland. Hes longer in police hes no longer in police custody. Hed previously been arrested and released without charge last april. But that news just Peter Murrell , just into us, Peter Murrell, husband of Nicola Sturgeon and former executive , are former snp chief executive, are understood to have been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds from the Scottish National Party Following a Police Scotland investigation into the partys finances. More on that later. Nigel polly. Thank you. In a moment after the break, its going to be talking pirates. Ill be joined by jamie hull. This is somebody who, after a sort of troubled years, became troubled teenage years, became an reservist and then was an sas reservist and then was involved in a plane i involved in a plane crash. Now i know a bit about those, but i have to say, was very much have to say, jamie was very much more seriously injured, very badly burnt that plane badly burnt during that plane crash. Hes been through an crash. Hes been through an horrendous time of operations of ups and downs, but hes come out the other end of it as a winner. Its a life of real ups and downs, but i think very downs, but i think a very inspiring tale. Talking pints in just moment my favourite segment of the week. Well, of course it is. Its talking pints im joined by jamie. Jamie, welcome to the program. Cheers. Cheers. Thanks for having me on. Now, now, your now, your book now, your book , now, your book , life now, your book , life on now, your book , life on a now, your book, life on a thread by jamie haaland. Were going to talk about some of the things in that book. So really by the looks of it, a bit of a bad teenager really going off the rails quite badly shoplifting. Not a very good shoplifting. Not a very good boy. No, it was a bit of a rogue, but a sort of a moralistic toerag, really, i sort of had principles, i think, from the early years. I was raised quite well. My mother, my did well. My mother, my mother did a pretty good job in that respect. But go rails a bit but i did go off the rails a bit and was up to good. And and i was up to no good. And then managed sort of turn then i managed to sort of turn it around. Quite young age. And quite a young age. And quite a young age. Quite young age. Quite a young age. Quite a young age. People say you see, often people say they god or they stop they found god or they stop taking drugs whatever it was. Taking drugs or whatever it was. What was it . Because, you know, suddenly you go from this. Yeah. Suddenly you go from this. Yeah. To going to university to taking up diving and becoming an instructor. What is it . What is what is that sort of switch that flicks, that turns it around . Yeah, its a good question. For me. It was, i sort of got that brown envelope sort of post gcse mortified. And i gcse and i was mortified. And i remember my grandfather was quite an influence on me at the time, he was a bit of a boffin, a bit of a mathematician type, worked for british aerospace, so he loved his mathematics. And he loved his mathematics. And when id failed the maths gcse, he was kind of really upset about that and kind of had a word in my ear and it kind of made me realise, look, if i dont pull my socks up and get on its to be on with it, its going to be potentially dismal path potentially quite a dismal path for indeed some of my for me and indeed some of my sort fellow chums at the time sort of fellow chums at the time were going down a bit of a slippery slope, perhaps were going down a bit of a slippery slepe, perhaps getting slippery slope, perhaps getting into, slippery slepe, perhaps getting into, know, into, some, you know, traditional all, sort of drugs and so on and so forth. And i and so on and so forth. And i just thought, okay, well, now is the time if i dont get on with it, paul de socks up, then its probably going to not so good probably going to be not so good for news me going forward. So i repeated the year. Yeah. Kind of got you went on, a got the gcses you went on, did a level so and so forth. Level and so on and so forth. Then travelled world then i travelled the world independently gave me independently and that gave me a bit a kick up the rear bit of a kick up the rear really, and sort of made me the younger i was. Younger sort of man that i was. And it was, it sort of went from there strength to strength. There from strength to strength. Yeah. Yeah. You all early in life you all quite early in life becomes very positive stuff. And youre becomes very positive stuff. And youyeah. So, i was cambridge yeah. So, i was Cambridge University officer training corps. Yeah. The otc, i was and, and it was did you enjoy it . I did enjoy it. But the interesting thing was i didnt go to a bit later. I was a mature student and id taken a sabbatical. Dont hold it against police against me from the police force. So that was my early career, and was Thames Valley career, and i was Thames Valley police in the early years, and i loved that. But i was kind of looking. I did it for a few years. I was looking for a sort of a bigger picture, perhaps bigger, global bigger, perhaps global opportunity. The really opportunity. And the army really beckoned this beckoned once i joined this cambridge otc. And when i found out about opportunities that are on , i was just hooked. On the table, i was just hooked. And i was really into that and i was really drawn into that world. I went off and did a couple of cambrian patrols in wales with all the dismal weather coming at and sort of weather coming at me and sort of november of on november time, sort of year on year , i did selection for the year, i did a selection for the parachute p parachute regiment called p company and i surprised myself. I got up pass and then i i got a stand up pass and then i was to take it a bit was inspired to take it a bit further, and then a recommendation came up and i got an opportunity to select for uk special as a reservist. Special forces as a reservist. That was my journey. Was two one, two one, that was two one, two one, two sas. Two one sas. Was straight in there. So he was straight in there. So he was straight in there. Yeah, more or less. I mean it was a stepping stone of was a stepping stone sort of journey, sort building journey, those sort of Building Blocks get there. And blocks to sort of get there. And id been well prepped by cambridge otc with the various courses and, and the combination of which would have been sort of Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and , then i got that and then, then i got that opportunity to do the Selection Program and i never looked back, really. I mean, i was again drawn into that because of the opportunities to, for Global Travel adventure. And from a young age, thats kind of what i was all about. I was driven by challenge adventure. Challenge and adventure. Unlike all of us, life has its ups and life has its downs, and we are members of a very small club. We are. Were both small club. We are. Were both survivors of small aeroplane crashes. But yours. I was very badly smacked up, but shaken up. Yeah and broke everything and punctured lung and bits and bobs like that. But. But the plane i was in didnt catch fire, but youre out learning to fly and it all starts to go wrong. Tell us the story. Yeah. So i was, at the time of during service, id been sort of during service, id been sort of with the squadron for about five years, approximately, and i had an ambition to, to learn to fly. And that was again attributed, if you will, to my late grandfather, because again, from a young age, he used to take me to the perimeter fence at Luton Airport and wed be there against the there pressed up against the metal sort of mesh wire fence, looking at the pilots , busying looking at the pilots, busying themselves getting ready for active flight with the commercial jets and the noise and the backwash, you know, the smell of the kerosene coming down wind i and again, i was down wind and i and again, i was influenced from a young age and i thought perhaps one day, if i get opportunity, id to get the opportunity, id love to learn fly. Realistically, learn to fly. So realistically, when older , i kind of put when i was older, i kind of put my money where my mouth was , my money where my mouth was, essentially, and chose to sort of walk the walk on the ambition. And i first of all went to us embassy, got a visa , then went embassy, got a visa, then went to florida, chose florida because decent , you know, because of decent, you know, good sort of meteorological weather condition and the chance to get the flying training done in a relatively short time frame. And then literally about one month the program , im one month into the program, im now pilot in command. So flying solo and i had unfortunately an engine fire at altitude which breached the cockpit internally. So i was forced to of think so i was forced to kind of think on my feet. So youre flying, but its on fire. Yeah all of a sudden. No. You know, the fire was flared up externally and on my final turn into wind, it now breached the cockpit internally. So im now descending, descending towards the active runway down below. And i had to kind of think on my feet. And there was some initial panic because i wasnt a highly experienced pilot. I had only been air for least a been in the air for at least a month, mentioned, but i had month, as i mentioned, but i had to a quite a hasty decision to make a quite a hasty decision based on what was happening and the fact of the matter was, the fire was building up really rapidly within the small confines of that two seat confines of that small two seat chamber cockpit. And then chamber of cockpit. And then i made a decision actually to veer away from the concrete runway in my line of sight. So i veered gently to my left and headed towards the stretch of grass. A clear stretch of grass in the distance. And then i just simply fell back on the training from the us flight instructors. So i managed to turn everything off on dashboard. Emergency on the dashboard. Full emergency shutdown procedure, glide in, and then like very, very low level, id already removed headset and buckled the harness, opened the left hand canopy door and approximately 20ft. I described , you know, describe described, you know, describe it. I was like jack rabbit. So i managed to clamber onto the seat, get get onto the left wing, very low. So i was wing, very low. So i was approximately 15ft above the ground when i made the leap and mw ground when i made the leap and jump and made the jump into long grass and luckily for me, some recent florida torrential rainfall had swept through over the lunchtime period, and the grass was the ground was relatively soft, so it kind of gave me some some Shock Absorption with the impact. Its extraordinary story and youre badly hurt, youre badly burned, and you go burned, and you and you go through, you go through. Mean, medically , is it 60 i mean, medically, is it 60 operations youve had . Operations youve had . For the record, ive had 63 operations under general anaesthetic. So they put me to anaesthetic. So they put me to sleep 63 times, both in america initially and in the uk, and to give perhaps your viewers an understanding of what i went through in two thousand and seven, in that six month period , seven, in that six month period, the insurance bill came to just shy of 2. 8 million usd. Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious. So they did a lot for me in america. How do you survive the psychological ups and downs of all because you did all of that . Because you did have black periods. Have some very black periods. Given that i was drug well, given that i was drug induced in the early period, i wasnt that consciously wasnt really that consciously aware what going aware of what was going on, but certainly when i was repatriated and taken to the central burns unit in chelmsford, that was a very rude awakening, shall we say, from one of the nurses who literally and figuratively sort of opened the window and said, come on now, jamie, weve got to get you up and about. Weve got to start to rehabilitate you. Youve been in florida sort youve been in florida and sort of filled me the detail, of filled me in on the detail, and shock of that alone was and the shock of that alone was just alarming. My god, im still here. And then got to here. Yeah. And then ive got to get on with it. And the. And then i was in a desperate sort of physical state at that stage and really still fighting for my life. Essence, wasnt acute life. In essence, i wasnt acute like i had been in florida, but i was still in a, in a really bad way, hence the sort of, surging tally that ensued with the 63 surgeries over the course of about seven years. But here we are today. Youve written all about it in this book. Youre wearing Invictus Games foundation shirt. Youre an inspirational speaker. Do you . When you look back on all this . Because ive had a few ups and downs too, as i said, sure. Do remember the bad sure. Do you remember the bad stuff you just keep stuff or do you just just keep looking stuff or do you just just keep loo no, never really forget no, you never really forget the the kind the trauma of the kind of negatives life. I mean, negatives in life. I mean, especially you get as especially if you get hit as hard as did. Yeah. And its hard as i did. Yeah. And its not a competition, but i did get hit really , really hard, but. So hit really, really hard, but. So inever hit really, really hard, but. So i never really forget that. But i never really forget that. But i kind of made a pact with myself as an individual, if you will, that i wasnt going to allow that trauma to dictate my legacy. Going forwards. And i was going to try and make the best sort jamie haaland best of sort of. Jamie haaland version it were. Version 2. 0, as it were. And i was to try and not only was going to try and not only kind of live the best life that i could going forwards, but maybe try to give back a little. So involved with charity so i got involved with charity and, you know, various bits and pieces and, know, things pieces and, you know, things like, becoming a beneficiary slash ambassador for the help for Heroes Charity helped me enormously , and indeed, of enormously, and indeed, of course, my journey with Invictus Games. Yeah. And even just last week, i was very fortunate that, so i worked with an International Team of veterans from all over the world. There was about 15 of us. There was a guy from israel, even that made it. And we walked across West Highland way effectively from glasgow to fort william, which is do the route map, its is if you do the route map, its like the tough old gig. Its100 miles, 160km. And we pulled that off as a team , you know. So cheers. Well done mate. Well done mate. Well done mate. Ill tell you what folks. You know, it just goes to show you you never know whats around the corner in life. There can be good things and bad things. But this come it this guy, hes come through it all. Hes and hes smiling. All. Hes here and hes smiling. Inspiring. Jacob. Oh, inspiring. A wonderful story im in such a wonderful story. Example to. And what an example to everybody being everybody else about being positive facing such positive after facing such difficulties. Tell you difficulties. I cannot tell you how i am for how full of admiration i am for what youve been saying to our viewers tonight and what youve achieved is this really awe inspiring, stuff. Inspiring, terrific stuff. , thats it from me for well, thats it from me for this week. Im back with you at 7 on monday. Lets have 7 pm. On monday. Lets have a look. Whats weather look. Whats the weekend weather going alex deakin. Going to be like . Alex deakin. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Evening. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news tomorrow. See plenty tomorrow. Well see again plenty of showers , some sunny of april showers, some sunny spells and a chilly wind in the east. High pressure is slowly edging towards us and it will bnng edging towards us and it will bring many a fine day on bring many of us a fine day on saturday. But for the time being weve low pressure and weve still got low pressure and weather fronts in control. Theyve rain theyve been bringing rain across through the day across the north through the day and rain is now trickling and that rain is now trickling southwards, drizzly southwards, so damp and drizzly for midlands, for the midlands, east anglia and overnight, for the midlands, east anglia andsouth west overnight, for the midlands, east anglia and south west generally ght, for the midlands, east anglia and south west generally staying the south west generally staying dry with more cloud and more breeze. It is going to be breeze. It is going to be a much, much milder night than last night. We started today with a frost in many areas. Well start tomorrow at 7 or 8 degrees, a little colder in northern scotland, where there will be a really wind will be a really chilly wind blowing. Will be a feature blowing. That will be a feature of right across of the weather right across these tomorrow. These eastern areas tomorrow. Cold well start cold wind elsewhere. Well start with a lot of clouds, a little bit of rain, but it should brighten through day. Brighten up through the day. Certainly a much brighter day for ireland and for Northern Ireland and especially scotland especially western scotland compared to today. Still a few showers dotted around through the afternoon and again it is going to feel chilly, particularly in the east with that 9 or 10 celsius 14 or that wind. 9 or 10 celsius 14 or 15 further south, temperatures will drop sharply on friday evening. Some pockets frost evening. Some pockets of frost to the weekend, but for to start the weekend, but for many it is going to be a fine day saturday. Decent amount day on saturday. Decent amount of around, more of sunshine around, a bit more cloud patchy rain cloud and some patchy rain across northern scotland. Still across northern scotland. Still a bit across east anglia a bit breezy across east anglia in particular, but for many, as i a fine day on saturday. I said, a fine day on saturday. Not spectacularly warm. Highs of 10 to 14 degrees. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation. Tonight, the green agendais nation. Tonight, the green agenda is crumbling before our very eyes. As the eco zealots of scotland abandoned their green pledges, having missed eight of the past 12 climate targets. We accept the ksks recent re articulation that this parliaments interim 2030 target is out of reach, a new poll has shown. The tories are trailing the labour party on every major issue defence, tax, migration and even brexit. But the labour party doesnt have any real policies in these areas. So what is the tories malaise . Should pensioners be taxed more and do they have it too easy . Well thats what the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves tax adviser, has said. So could the labour party be facing allegations of ageism . Plus, a allegations of ageism . Plus, a shady global censorship may be at play, censoring those at odds with liberal groupthink. Online publication unherd has revealed it has been subject to a sinister advertising boycott for the crime of being gender critical. State of the nation starts now. Also be joined by my most intellectual panel, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and the journalist conservative peer paul goodman. As always , as you know, i want