Gb news. And a very good evening. And a very good evening. Welcome to farage on gb news. But as you can see, nigels not here. No, hes having a well earned break. Hes out fishing. Well talking fishing. Well be talking about that later. But im in that a bit later. But im in charge all week we have got charge all week and we have got an action packed full on show. First of all, were going to be talking lampedusa with talking about lampedusa with mark implications, talking about lampedusa with mark really implications, talking about lampedusa with mark really goingiplications, talking about lampedusa with mark really goingiplicwhat� , whats really going on, what does over the does this look like over the next to 12 months to, frankly, next 6 to 12 months to, frankly, is it time for the whole thing to be derailed and my favourite topic, got topic, net zero. Weve got a great John Caldwell, great guest, John Caldwell, to talk because the talk about that because the polls that actually the polls show that actually the prime may to Prime Minister may be on to a thing. That come. Thing. All of that to come. But first its news with first up, its the news with Polly Middlehurst richard, thank you. The top story hour, the the top story this hour, the metropolitan police has launched the top story this hour, the meinvestigation. Ice has launched the top story this hour, the meinvestigation afteras launched the top story this hour, the meinvestigation after receivinged the top story this hour, the mnumbergation after receivinged the top story this hour, the mnumber of ion after receivinged the top story this hour, the mnumber of sex after receivinged the top story this hour, the mnumber of sex offence eivinged a number of sex offence allegations comedian a number of sex offence allegati brand. Comedian a number of sex offence allegati brand. Force omedian a number of sex offence allegatibrand. Force saysiian a number of sex offence allecasesand. Force saysiian a number of sex offence allecases arent force saysiian a number of sex offence allecases arent recente saysiian a number of sex offence allecases arent recent and siian a number of sex offence allecases arent recent and no an the cases arent recent and no arrests been it arrests have been made. It follows an investigation by channel times channel 4 dispatches. The times and sunday comedian and sunday times. The comedian denies all the accusations against by women. Against him made by four women. Also news, thousands also in the news, thousands of passengers also in the news, thousands of passen cancelled also in the news, thousands of passencancelled delayed flights cancelled or delayed after airport after London Gatwick airport introduced temporary on introduced a temporary limit on flights. This its after an outbreak coronavirus among outbreak of coronavirus among air staff. Air Traffic Control staff. Therell 800 therell be a limit of 800 flights a day until sunday, which departure flights a day until sunday, whi arrival departure flights a day until sunday, whi arrival flights. Departure flights a day until sunday, whi arrival flights. Theparture flights a day until sunday, whi arrival flights. The army,e and arrival flights. The army, which help the which was on standby to help the metropolitan has now metropolitan police, has now been after been stood down. Its after a significant number of Counter Terrorism significant number of counter terrorisn back duties stepped back from their duties after a colleague was charged with the shooting of with murder over the shooting of chris last chris kaba in south london last yeah chris kaba in south london last year. Enough year. The force says enough officers have now returned to armed Counter Terrorism responsibilities Counter Terrorism responsi help. S greater military help. The Greater Manchester mayor says the north shouldnt have to pay for the governments shouldnt have to pay for the gove rishi tls is refusing hs2. Rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee that manchester will connect with hs2 with a decision expected to be announced before the Tory Party Conference next week. Secretary week. Now the home secretary is due amongst due to call for unity amongst western leaders tomorrow to combat global migration, visiting the united states. Suella braverman will tell an audience in washington that other countries may have something to learn from the uks innovative approach to migration. Shes questioning whether legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose. 1 million nhs for purpose. 1 million nhs appointments have been cancelled since december because of strikes in england last weeks industrial action by Junior Doctors and consultants means the countrys reached the milestone in another double strike is scheduled for next week. The health secretary, steve barclay, has labelled it grim and says medics have received a fair and reasonable pay received a fair and reasonable pay offer and finally, a spacex capsule carrying soil fell from the surface of an asteroid has smashed down to earth and been recovered by nasa. The sample was collected by rac rex before making the 1. 2 billion mile journey back to earth. It was parachuted through the earths atmosphere and it landed in the desert in utah, in the united states, scientists are hoping the sample inside may shed light on the formation of our solar system and even perhaps the origin of life on earth. Youre origin of life on earth. Youre with gb news across the uk , on with gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news. Channel thank you, polly. Well, well , come to farage on gb news. But nigel is away as i say, hes down in cornwall. Hes nigel is away as i say, hes down in cornwall. Hes fishing. And the rumour is hes actually been catching things today. I think we can see on the screen a picture of nigel with a huge smile on his face. Yes, hes caught his first fish. Who knows how many more there is in the week, but the good news is that whilst hes away. While the cats away. Yes the mice will play. Im in charge for the next four nights and we have got a full on action packed show for you. Were going to be talking about your views, opinions, controversy , controversial controversy, controversial issues, and hopefully have some fun along the way. The first big issue weve got to talk about is the continuing migrant crisis. The continuing migrant crisis. It feels to me that this situation is getting worse and worse. Were going to be talking to mark white down on the island, the italian island of lampedusa, couple lampedusa, in a couple of minutes. But lampedusa, in a couple of minutes. But i just want to give you thoughts this. Its you my thoughts on this. Its all very well. Home all very well. The home secretary york all very well. The home secretethat york all very well. The home secretethat its york all very well. The home secretethat its no york all very well. The home secretethat its no longer rk all very well. The home secretethat its no longer fit saying that its no longer fit for purpose. This this un 51 for purpose. This this un 51 convention. Its 50 years old. 70 years old. Its not good enough. Home secretary, the people of britain want to know how you and the Prime Minister are going to stop the boats. Whos going to show the leadership not only in britain, but across the whole of the European Union in order to stop the boats, because otherwise , the boats, because otherwise, guys, whats this going to look like in six months . In 12 months time . How many more tens of thousands are going to come across the English Channel . How many more hundreds of thousands are going to come across the mediterranean to italy already this year, its september over. Theres some 130,000 plus have left north africa and have arrived in italy very often through this island of lampedusa, by the way, is closer to north africa than to italy. How many more are going to come over the next three months . And across other routes across the mediterranean . Im absolutely mediterranean . Im absolutely convinced the only way youre going to stop this is youve got to pick up and safely take back. Youve got to push back. We know it works because guess what . It worked in australia. They did worked in australia. They did it. And the boats stopped coming. And yes , they took a bit coming. And yes, they took a bit of flak for it. They took a bit of flak for it. They took a bit of grief from all the lefties , of grief from all the lefties, as you know, all the heart wrenching people. But the boat stopped it. And its actually the kind and compassionate thing to do. Its the right thing to do to stop the boats. We can talk about the aftermath of all of that, but at the moment, confidence amongst the british people in the Prime Ministers pledge to stop the boats is waning. Weve got demonstrations at hotel after hotel. And my point to you, its not good enough. So the question im asking you today is, is the eu abandoning italy on the migrant crisis . You know, the email address. Its a special one, farage at gb news dot com or tweet. Hashtag farage on gb news. Well lets go live first of all, in the show to lampedusa, where our Home Security editor mark white is there on the island. Mark, a very good evening to you. I know youve had a busy day. Look, youve had a busy day. Look, first of all, mark, what are conditions like that youve discovered on on the island where youve now got . I think, 11, 12,000 arrived in the last 12, 14 days against a population of 6000. Whats the mood . Whats the feeling . Whats the secure pretty in the safety of the citizens on the island and well , certainly things are far calmer on the island than they were just a week ago when we had many thousands of people still here where we have had over the last three days some quite strong winds out in the mediterranean. Mediterranean. That has stopped these boats from coming across. Thats due to continue until about wednesday. Weve seen it, of wednesday. Weve seen it, of course , many times in the course, many times in the engush course, many times in the English Channel when the weather improves, then were expecting another surge of these boats to come from north africa. In the meantime , the italian meantime, the italian authorities are getting their troops in place. We saw as we arrived in lampedusa last night , dozens of Italian Police officers arriving at the airport there to help reinforce the hundreds of officers who are already here. The red cross is here in significant numbers and being bolstered. All the time as well. It is an island that is bracing for many thousands more to come in the coming weeks. Theyve had 62,000 migrants come to lampedusa since the 1st of june. And there is no sign of that stopping any time soon richard. And, mark, how quickly richard. And, mark, how quickly doesit richard. And, mark, how quickly does it take the authorities to process the arrivals on the island and move them to italy . Is that a matter of days, weeks. Weeks. Yeah , it doesnt take long at yeah, it doesnt take long at all, actually. I mean, it took a all, actually. I mean, it took a bit of a while all last week when we had such a surge of 11,000 people coming across in ten days. At one point, the migrant camp run by the red cross had 7000 migrants inside that camp. Its designed to hold only 400. And that took them a while to process them. But while to process them. But normally when they do it, theyre fairly quick. They send out a ferry in the morning, a ferry in the evening carrying about 400 people each time to the italian mainland. But there is the wider question, of course , of when they reach the italian mainland. Italy says they feel like theyve been abandoned by the European Union, that no one is prepared to properly burden share and take these thousands of migrants away from italy to other countries in the European Union. And thats my actual question, actually, to the audience, mark, is, is the eu abandoning italy . But essentially looking to the future now what happens from here are we going to see a situation where actually eu nafions situation where actually eu nations are essentially completely abandoning the whole idea of freedom of movement, the schengen zone , and theyre going schengen zone, and theyre going to have to put up the borders , to have to put up the borders, theyre going to have to have border posts and fences. I mean, this situation is not tenable on the current basis. Youve got almost a 50 increase in arrivals in italy alone, where does this go over the next 6 to 12 months . Mark well, i think brussels would definite deny that there is any end in sight to the scheneman agreement. They clearly prized that particular policy, that freedom of movement throughout European Union countries, very highly. But lawmaker are meeting within the coming days to decide on a way forward and to sort of map out more coherently for European Countries when they can actually detract from the border policy and put up borders between member states. Were seeing it already. Austria threatened now that within days they are going to have border checks with italy because they are very concerned about migrants making their way through italy into austria. Were seeing the same with france. Theyve stepped up policing of their border with italy as well. Germany is doing likewise. So borders are popping up all the time. I mean, it happened as clearly a significant issue during the pandemic when borders sprung up right across the European Union. But even after the pandemic pandemic subsided and we still had a number of these countries on security grounds on fears about mass migratory transit issues have put up these border checks. And that is really denting this schengen model. And it is going to have to be something that the European Union lawmakers are are quite inventive about a way forward because at the moment it just doesnt seem that its working at all. Mark, thank you very much indeed. It feels to me that once again, brussels will be completely out of touch with this situation. I can see individual eu nations rapidly erecting borders and frankly , erecting borders and frankly, only abandoning italy. And i only abandoning italy. And i dont know where that goes. But if these numbers continue, we are facing serious, serious issues. And of course , we know issues. And of course, we know that many of those who are arriving, coming over the mediterranean , theyve got the mediterranean, theyve got the United Kingdom in their sights. They want to come here. They think that have most think that we have the most generous , welcoming generous, welcoming accommodation. And i think the accommodation. And i think the truth is not only do they think that, but theyre probably right. Well, that was mark white on the island of lampedusa. But now now were going to look at a slightly angle on now now were going to look at a slighim angle on now now were going to look at a slighim delightedngle on now now were going to look at a slighim delighted to e on now now were going to look at a slighim delighted to be n now now were going to look at a slighim delighted to be joined this. Im delighted to be joined down the line dean morgan, down the line by dean morgan, whos director at visa whos the director at visa immigration first immigration consultants first migration. Dean, thank you so much for joining migration. Dean, thank you so much forjoining me. Migration. Dean, thank you so much forjoining me. This much forjoining me. This situation on the Asylum Seekers is almost out of control now. Now i know you operate on sort of the lawful applications to come to the United Kingdom, but many people on the other side of this debate, dean, have been sort of saying, well, we need safe and legal routes and that that will stop this. What are that will stop this. What are your thoughts on that . How do safe and legal routes actually actually work . And do think actually work . And do you think that that would stop or mitigate or dramatically reduce this situation , this crisis . Situation, this crisis . I personally dont think it would. And good evening, richard. I mean, problem that you. I mean, the problem that you have asylum. Have is to claim asylum. You need make your way to the uk need to make your way to the uk lawfully to do when you lawfully to do so. And when you arrive you speak to a arrive here, you speak to a border you claim border official. You claim asylum. Typically give asylum. Typically theyll give you an asylum interview then you an asylum interview and then theyll you how long you theyll notify you how long you can expect to wait decision on can expect to wait a decision on the problem people the problem is that people coming small, small boats. Coming in on small, small boats. I mean , since 2015, according to i mean, since 2015, according to statistics, theres been 81,000 people have come in through small boats in five years. Now, because of the asylum backlog, only 13 of those have received a decision. But heres the shocking thing. 86 of those received humanitarian protection. Now now, the problem is, is that the people that are coming on the boats cant get a visitor visa or a student visa or a skilled worker visa to come here lawfully. The only way they here lawfully. The only way they can asylum is can get here to claim asylum is via boats and going through 15 plus safe, you know, countries to get to their country of preference and choice. So many people on the sort of the left side of this debate who want to welcome more Asylum Seekers into the uk. They say , well, well, in they say, well, well, in italy have italy we should have a processing that Processing Centre that essentially creates a safe and legal route from italy or indeed from north africa to the uk. What happens , though, dean, if what happens, though, dean, if that was set up, if people think thats a good thing, i frankly, im far from convinced. But what happens to those who who get rejected through that route . Because actually theyre just an economic migrant. They havent come from a war zone. What do they do . They do . Well, the italians would just have to deal with the problem. I mean, thats thats the left solution to this. And thats the solution to this. And thats the problem. I mean, the only problem. I mean, the only solution can be global. The reason that people are migrating is, i mean, youve got great powers, the west versus the east, shall we say, with wagner in nigeria and things like that that are playing power, geopolitical power battles , geopolitical power battles, civil wars afghanistan. Civil wars in afghanistan. Youve got eritrea, Central African republic , syria, the african republic, syria, the list goes on and on. Someones financing and providing arms to both sides. So, you know, if both sides. So, you know, if they didnt, one side would win. So you know, the destabilisation of south america economically , of south america economically, forcing migrants into north america to you see the same pattern with africa coming into europe and same with the middle east as so this isnt east as well. So this isnt going to be solved unless its on a global level. And the problem is were a tiny island, 70 million people, and Everyone Wants the bottom wants to live in the bottom corner of it. I dont see how just bringing people to the uk solves any problems or helps. I think thats the point. Dean and the reality is that if someone gets rejects aid under this, this process of safe and legal routes that the other side this debate the side of this debate think is the answer , i think theyre just answer, i think theyre just going to keep coming. Think going to keep on coming. I think theyll just keep paying the theyll just keep on paying the vile traffickers and the vile people, traffickers and the smugglers and so well still have the boats and then those people will be saying, well, what next . And eventually , dean, what next . And eventually, dean, i think we have to get to my solution, which is, you have to pick up and take back and then you start to deal with the situation, the crisis in in africa and some of those other nafions. Nations. I totally agree. Which i mean, look, the problem is we you know, the rules, you know, as it said in the news, then 50 years ago, whats the population of world now and how of the world right now and how many live on under many people live on under a dollar now now, if dollar a day . Now now, if i lived in those countries , i hate lived in those countries, i hate hypocrisy. I would have left and hypocrisy. I would have left and i would have made my way as an economic migrant for a better life for myself and my family. Life for myself and my family. In be foolish in my opinion, youd be foolish to. Not but the problem is, if you take from third you take everyone from the third world and put them in the first world, world world, well, the first world becomes the third world. And the other have is, other problem that we have is, is people that show total is that people that show total disregard law , its not disregard for the law, its not the to build the best foundation to build your new life in the uk. You your new life in the uk. You havent followed due process. Havent followed due process. And but you know, its again , and but you know, its again, this being a global problem, it needs a global solution. Its like saying the uk needs to solve the global, you know, the, the global kind of climate crisis. But if we produce 1 of co2 and china and india are building coal power stations better than we would build bridges. Dean youre right. Bridges. Dean youre right. What it dean youre right. What it needsis dean youre right. What it needs is some proper leadership and some world leading leadership. And i think that our leadership. And i think that our Prime Minister should show that. I think weve got to pick up and safely take back. I think were entitled it under the entitled to do it under the International Treaties that ive read. Do that, then read. If we do that, then actually give that actually we can give that leadership to the eu leaders as i think they need a lot of that. Dean morgan , thank you much dean morgan, thank you so much for me here farage. Forjoining me here on farage. On gb news. Look, this story is not going away. Until not going away. And until someone courage and the someone has the courage and the leadership, the decisive direction to do that, the situation will get worse and worse and more and more will come. Coming up, tony long, author of lethal force my life as the mets most controversial marksman. You wont want to miss it redditch alone, youre listening to gb news radio. To gb news radio. Welcome back to farage on gb news. Im standing in for nigel all of this week. He is taking a well earned break. Earlier in the show i asked you is the eu abandoning italy on the migrant crisis . And its fair to say plenty of reaction. One viewer says yes , but theyve abandoned says yes, but theyve abandoned every single country when it when it comes to controlling borders. Its a complete mess. Borders. Its a complete mess. Victor says the so called schengen agreement will go down as one of the greatest disasters in history. I have to say , i in history. I have to say, i think theres a lot of truth in that, victor. And then finally, that, victor. And then finally, muriel says that the eus got no intention. What so ever of stopping the migration down to italy. Nothing will be done until its too late for all of europe. Muriel i hope. I hope europe. Muriel i hope. I hope thats not the case. Weve got to do better than that. Weve got to show some proper leadership. My concern at the moment is, frankly, theres none of it anywhere. Anyway, on to of it anywhere. Anyway, on to the other big story today following the charging of a police officer, a met officer for murder over the killing of chris kaba, which is now under under charge. And clearly, weve under charge. And clearly, weve had a situation where many, many of the armed forces , armed of the armed forces, armed officers in the met have been really concerned about the implications for themselves. And implications for themselves. And actually, they went on strike. I mean, this is a seriously dramatic thing to do to. But theres nothing like actually speaking to someone whos actually been there, who knows what its like to be an armed force, an officer with the met with a firearm and actually facing the situation where you might have to pull the trigger. So im delighted to be joined in the studio for the first time by tony long, who is a former met Police Specialist , met firearms Police Specialist, met firearms officer and instructor and author of a book that ive got here, lethal force my life as the mets most controversial marksman. Tony, a very warm welcome. Your first time here at gb news. So thank you. This situation. Great to have you situation. Great to have you with us. In a sense , you know with us. In a sense, you know exactly what this must be like. Youre facing a critical decision in youre highly trained , highly skilled. What trained, highly skilled. What would be going through the mind of a firearms officer, specialist Counter Terrorism officer with the met facing this sort of situation . Sort of situation . I think i have to be a bit careful here because i cant talk about the actual talk about the actual about the principle of because of what its like because because know, youve been because you know, youve been there your the most there arguably your the most controversial firearms officer yeah. Id like to say that that was added by the publishers, not myself. Im not quite that immodest, but i mean, its id like to say its a really difficult decision to shoot. And ive been involved in one situation, the last one, the one that resulted in me being charged with murder, which was extremely difficult. The first extremely difficult. The first two incidents i was involved with couldnt been with couldnt really have been eafien with couldnt really have been easier. The first involved a easier. The first one involved a man who had killed a woman, was holding her six old Child Holding her six year old child hostage. When into hostage. And when i came into the climbed through the room, having climbed through the room, having climbed through the window and confronted him, he stabbed a six year old little girl. Thats not a difficult decision. Thats gold standard. Decision. Thats gold standard. You know, there choice. You know, there is no choice. You know, there is no choice. You shoot the you have to shoot him. The second was involved second incident i was involved with confronted by three with, i was confronted by three Armed Robbers in the process of robbing a security van, all wearing balaclavas and all carrying guns. Thats not carrying guns. Thats not a difficult decision when they all start turning at once. The start turning at once. The Decision Making process is done for you. The last situation i found myself in was was more akin perhaps to what this officer has gone through insofar as i didnt see a gun. The intelligence agents that we were acting off had come by means that are inadmissible in a court of law and are covered by the ripper act. Now, i dont know how that information was come by. I dont know whether it was phone or whatever, but its phone taps or whatever, but its a technical source that isnt admissible. But you have to trust the intelligence. You have to trust that intelligence that intelligence and that intelligence and that intelligence suggested that he had two fully automatic mac, ten submachine guns , which fire at submachine guns, which fire at a rate of about 1200 rounds per minute. And we knew that they were very close to a location where they were going to rob and murder rival colombian drug dealers and steal their cocaine off them. And we were given instructions to stop the vehicle. The body language of the man in the back seat convinced me that he was armed or a an armed himself. Convinced me that he was armed or a an armed himself. And or a an armed himself. And combined with the intelligence we were given, i had to make the decision to fire without actually seeing a gun. And thats a leap of faith and thats a leap of faith and thats a leap of faith and thats a leap of faith. And i mean, that is a situation that 99. 99 of the population just cannot really comprehend how difficult that is and how much of a split second decision is that . Is it is it it decision is that . Is it is it it is split second. I mean, its very difficult, but its all based on. So, for instance, one of the things that was thrown at me was that i made the decision to fire in nought point a second, point something of a second, and that based on a scientific that was based on a scientific reconstruction based on what we call the black box in the Police Vehicle that was able to geo position the vehicle and combined with video footage. So combined with video footage. So they did a computer reconstruction. In point of reconstruction. In point of fact, what they were saying was because i fired nought point nought five seconds after my vehicle came to rest, i couldnt have had time to assess the situation. In point of fact, i situation. In point of fact, i had 10s prior to it, if you actually looked at it but you touched upon something thats very true , thats very relevant very true, thats very relevant there is that i say ordinary people, im not being dismissive of people that havent been in that situation, but people that have been in that situation have a totally different understanding to laypersons or say youve been youve been highly trained , highly skilled, highly trained, highly skilled, and obviously in a sense that training tells you about the intelligence youre going to get. And all of that. But do you understand the officers that have sort of essentially went on strike or almost went on strike . Do you understand their anxiety . Absolutely. How tough is it . Can i can i just say right, right away . There are something in 40,000 officers in the region of 40,000 officers in the region of 40,000 officers in metropolitan police, in the metropolitan police, of which few which about 2500, perhaps a few more are trained in the use of firearms. Those 2500 are all firearms. Those 2500 are all volunteers. You cant really volunteers. You cant really strike from a voluntary you can withdraw your labour, draw your laboun withdraw your labour, draw your labour. And the reason that theyve done that is its actually written its actually an instruction that if you come on duty to conduct an armed operation or simply to go out on patrol a firearm, you are patrol with a firearm, you are duty bound to notify by your senior Senior Officers if for any reason you dont feel fit to conduct it might just be for a day. It might just be. Youve had a raven row with your missus, might be multiple reasons why actually , its reasons why actually, its better you dont put better that you dont put yourself in these stress. So what are saying what these officers are saying is that this is officer the officer that was involved in this shooting has now been charged murder. I would charged with murder. I would say that he is the straw that broke the camels camels back. You know, the reality is that there have been lots of officers between me retiring in 2008 and today that have found themselves in similar situations. Today that have found themselves in similar situations. Officers in similar situations. Officers that have been under investigation for over two years. Then it gets to court. Having gone through the Crown Prosecution Service and then the Crown Prosecution Service withdraw the charges because they say theres no realistic chance of a conviction. Well, these are highly trained, very expensive, highly trained officers , those who have acted officers, those who have acted in accordance with their training have basically been training and have basically been punished because there is no time limit on these investigations is. So do you feel the support from the leadership of the met . Is sufficient . I think i think its atrocious. Atrocious. Do you think its atrocious . I think its atrocious. Is it better years better sort of 15, 20 years ago . Not really. Better sort of 15, 20 years ago . Not rhanded my blue card in in i handed my blue card in in 2005, in a similar thing. It was the only other time in the history of the unit that weve done that and we only did it for a of hours because sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, urs because sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who 3ecause sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who wasuse sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who was the sir john stevens, who was the commissioner at time, came commissioner at the time, came down, rolled up his sleeves like a Proper Old School cop, said , i a Proper Old School cop, said, i used to carry a gun when i was on the squad. Know what on the flying squad. I know what youre with me. On the flying squad. I know what you� going with me. On the flying squad. I know what you� going deal with me. On the flying squad. I know what you� going deal withvith me. On the flying squad. I know what you� going deal with it] me. On the flying squad. I know what you� going deal with it. And. Im going to deal with it. And we naive because it we all rather naive because it was First Time Ever was the first time it ever happened. Was the first time it ever happened. Sort went along was the first time it ever happitled. Sort went along was the first time it ever happit and sort went along was the first time it ever happit and nothing went along was the first time it ever happit and nothing didt along was the first time it ever happit and nothing did happen. With it and nothing did happen. And intervening and then in the intervening years later , commissioners and i years later, commissioners and i think i think it was hogan howe and cameron when he was Prime Minister , where they set promise minister, where they set promise that they were going to look at some of the inequalities that happened when Police Officers are investigated. One of the things id like to say is that im not equating what we do with brain surgery , but if, for brain surgery, but if, for instance, you look at other professional bodies like, say, paramedics or doctors, if a paramedics or doctors, if a paramedic or a doctor make a genuine mistake, they misdiagnosed somebody and therefore give them the wrong treatment or under pressure, accidentally gives somebody the wrong medicine. Yes. And that wrong medicine. Yes. And that person dies. Wrong medicine. Yes. And that person dies. Nobody wrong medicine. Yes. And that person dies. Nobody considers person dies. Nobody considers prosecuting those people , all prosecuting those people, all for killing somebody. They will be investigated. It will go be investigated. It will go before a tribunal and some form of resolution will come up whereby theyll be have to go through a re education process where theyll have to have a mentor with them for a period. A really theyre making a really difficult, highly skilled precision judgement. Exactly. And sometimes they might get it slightly so theres slightly wrong. So theres lessons learned. Slightly wrong. So theres lesznow, learned. Slightly wrong. So theres lesznow, if, learned. Slightly wrong. So theres lesznow, if, on earned. Slightly wrong. So theres lesznow, if, on earrother hand , now, if, on the other hand, you know, were about you know, were talking about the reasonably the nurse that was reasonably convicted now was convicted who we know now was deliberately killing babies or harold shipman. Thats murder. Thats different. Yes, thats different. But clearly premeditated. What is happening and what is being happening and what is being happening now for some considerable is that the considerable time is that the ipcc or whatever theyre called this week, because every time they mess up, they just rebrand basically , theyve they basically, theyve they investigate for as long as they like. Theyre under no restrictions as Police Officers are know, having to tolerate that. And having to tolerate that. And then when they are acquitted, if they are charged, they then get two slices of the cherry because the investigating body turns around to the met police and say, we want them done under discipline for gross misconduct. So they then suffer a second trial. So i just think that perhaps they should look at the way whats the answer . Way whats the answer . Just quickly, whats the solution . Should it be only one trial . Do we need to change in the law to provide more . I just think it needs to be a realistic , because these realistic look, because these are amateurs. Are these arent rank amateurs. These professional people these are professional people that months that have gone through months and training. And to and months of training. And to go and months of training. And to 9 9 and months of training. And to go go from an unarmed go from to go from an unarmed officer on the street and become an Response Vehicle an armed Response Vehicle operator to is Something Like 15 weeks training. Weeks of training. Thats massive with other massive compared with other forces around the country. If you then after a year or so or two on the arvs, two years on the on the arvs, the Response Vehicles, you the armed Response Vehicles, you decide want then decide you want to then become a Counter Terrorist. So its Counter Terrorist sfo. So its another 21 weeks of training, nearly six months training. Nearly six months of training. And what were doing is the moment they conduct the training, the moment they do what theyve been trained to do , of murder. , theyre accused of murder. Theyre suspended for 3 or 4 years, tony, or more. I admire anybody. This must be such a highly skilled and some of the most challenging decisions that anybody could could make in any form of service in the uk. Tony long, thank you so much for coming in, sharing your thoughts. That is sharing your thoughts. That is tony long. He is a former met specialist , firearms officer and specialist, firearms officer and instructor and author of the book lethal force. Thank you, tony. Well, coming up, if hs2 , tony. Well, coming up, if hs2, ive never been a fan, i always think its the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong price. Could it be axed from price. Could it be axed from where to where were we talking to Christian Wolmar . Hes a fan. I think. After the day now. Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back to farage at gb news with me richard tice. Well, were struggling to get Christian Walmart to talk about hs2 down the line. Maybe hes trying to help them sort of sort out the costs. I mean, this thing is just a catastrophe. So hopefully well speak to christian a later. Hopefully well speak to christian a later. But hopefully well speak to christian a later. But the christian a bit later. But the other my big bugbears is other one of my big bugbears is the of net zero. And the the issue of net zero. And the Prime Minister last week making a really bold new statement, new direction on for the government and some people have been very enthusiastic about it. And one part of his party but actually a lot of people have been very concerned about it. And later in the show, were going to be talking to John Caldwell, a significant donor to the conservative party, with his views, because it seems that hes saying hes not going to donate any more to the party if thats direction of travel thats the direction of travel of the Prime Minister. Well, thats the direction of travel of theis rime minister. Well, thats the direction of travel of theis actually|ister. Well, thats the direction of travel of theis actually ater. Well, thats the direction of travel of theis actually a pollvell, thats the direction of travel of theis actually a poll out, there is actually a poll out today that seems to indicate that mr caldwell may be going down the wrong track because the conservatives are up five on the back of the Prime Ministers shift on the issue of net zero. Now im delighted to be joined in the studio by laurie labour and langton, whos an economist at an environmental policy researcher to talk about this. Researcher to talk about this. Laurie, thanks for being with us. So this is a its a really significant moment in the net zero debate. Ive been very outspoken on. I think its the i think its the wrong thing at the wrong price and the wrong time im very concerned time frame. Im very concerned that actually its going to send ourjobs that actually its going to send our jobs and that actually its going to send ourjobs and money abroad and that actually ordinary families up and down the country cannot afford the prime afford it. And the Prime Minister basically minister finally, hes basically admitted that is the case. But of course , net zero is written of course, net zero is written into law, isnt it . In the uk youve got the Climate Change act of 2008 and then youve got the amendments to that in 2019, stroke 20 after theresa may. So the Prime Minister is probably going to face lots of legal challenges coming in all directions from those who think hes got this completely wrong. Probably will. Yeah, he probably will. I think he should also face legal challenges from people who want britains industry to return. So i got a i got a cab over here. It was a black cab. It was one of the electric ones right. That of the electric ones right. That cab was made in coventry , i cab was made in coventry, i think. But it was produced by a Chinese Company called geely. I mean, theres then a Shell Company that does the actual cab building. I think thats ridiculous. Two things are going on there. One, electric vehicles are increasingly being brought in globally. This is a new wave. Its not something thats been pushed it down our throats. Private companies , Automotive Private companies, Automotive Companies want us to have electric vehicles right in the same way that companies benefited moved from benefited when we moved from horses the first horses to cars in the first place. The second thing thats happening is china is winning those opportunities per the black cab example. I think it is outrageous is that black cabs in london are made by chinese companies. So what . And ive got an electric car myself and yes, i love it. Im not a great fan of noise. So for not a great fan of noise. So for me, that suits my issue is its the cost of them. And the reason the cost of them. And the reason the cost of them. And the reason the reason the chinese cars are so much cheaper is because theyve got a much Lower Energy Cost because theyre getting their energy, their electricity from a coal fired generating power stations of which theyre building 200 of them as we speak. But they are also installing more Renewables Capacity per month than most western countries are installing over a course of years. Over a course of years. Over a course of years. The other reason why theyre cheap is because of subsidy from beijing, right . So we need to understand here that another reason why european evs are more expensive is because and im going to be completely honest here, of countries in the here, a lot of countries in the west, including uk , also west, including the uk, also including the major European Manufacturing countries like germany, didnt anticipate germany, they didnt anticipate this opportunity fast enough. So this opportunity fast enough. So some Car Companies are playing catch up. Right. We need all we can do to ensure that they catch up quicker and but but heres the issue is that youre having to give the governments having to give the governments having to give the governments having to give huge subsidies. Given them to bmw to its given them to bmw to jaguan its given them to bmw to jaguar, land rover , hundreds and jaguar, land rover, hundreds and hundreds of millions of our cash. Its not government money. Its our cash. And the number of jobs employed in those in that process is much, much less in the traditional Combustion Engine process. So the truth is that this rush to net zero is costing hundreds of thousands of jobs in the automotive sector alone, either directly or indirectly. Well, have you got the figure for them . Because the governments independent advisers have made it very clear that they think that the net impact on jobs so thats just to be totally clear, the were going were going to might lose some jobs in net zero, but well also gain some from all the new things made and things that are made and different the net different processes. So the net gain is a net gain is between 100 and 35 and as much as 750,000 jobs. Theres a huge amount to be done. And i tell you what, theres the maximum number, the most jobs that we could get from going towards net zero are the ones where there instead of a Chinese Company being the one that makes the london black cab, it becomes a british company. I want a union jack on top of the wind turbines. I want a wind. I want turbines. I want a wind. I want a union jack on stamped on the insulation that were putting in peoples interesting. Insulation that were putting in peopleyou interesting. Insulation that were putting in peopleyou talk interesting. Insulation that were putting in peopleyou talk aboutaresting. Insulation that were putting in peopleyou talk aboutarestingdoes so you talk about where does the i look the numbers come from . So i look to office for national to the office for National Statistics, their data for last year shows that less than 1 of all jobs in the United Kingdom are green jobs. Less than 1. Its less than 2 of gdp. Weve all been promised all these green jobs , but lots of people green jobs, but lots of people are entitled to ask where are they and whats the price . And last week i was down in port talbot talking to Union Leaders at the steel plant. Thousands and thousands of great highly skilled Manufacturing Steel jobs are being slain on the altar of net zero, just binned. Net zero, just binned. Well, theyre not like one of the biggest factors that got in the biggest factors that got in the way of that led to the loss ofjobs the way of that led to the loss of jobs in industry in this country is that successive governments, tory and labour , governments, tory and labour, did not invest in home grown british capacity. Right. We are now in a situation globally, whether we like it or not, theres nothing we can do to resist this. Where industry is moving towards renewables to electric vehicles and so on. Chinas example out the us example of that is an example of that. Climate that. Its respective of Climate Change. The question is whether we capitalise on that and bring jobs here. The complaint to the government , if theres only 1 government, if theres only 1 of the green jobs is of the jobs of green jobs is that done enough to that they havent done enough to bnng that they havent done enough to bring here because there bring them here because there are us. Are green jobs in the us. The the reason is weve got the most electricity in most expensive electricity in the as i understand. The g20. As i understand. Laurie, thank you so much. We must ive much must get you back. Ive so much to about on this issue. To talk about on this issue. Next up, were actually going to shift the order. Were going to be John Caldwell , the be talking to John Caldwell, the highly successful entrepreneur of the mobile phone industry , of the mobile phone industry, about this very issue. Hes quite grumpy with the Prime Minister coming up on farage at gb news. Welcome back to farage on gb news. Well, the votes is in the latest poll thats out just today seem to think the Prime Minister is on the right track in delaying many of the serious obugafions in delaying many of the serious obligations of net zero. I want him to go much, much further. Personally, i want to scrap the whole thing. I think its a job destroyer. I think it sends our money overseas. I think its a catastrophe. We thats nothing. Catastrophe. We thats nothing. We can save the environment. We we can save the environment. We can of can protect our environment. Of course, all cleaner air, course, we all want cleaner air, but net is the wrong thing but net zero is the wrong thing at price. But here is at the wrong price. But here is an entrepreneur, highly successful phones for successful founder of phones for you. With me, John Caldwell. A you. With me, John Caldwell. A very good evening, john. Thanks for joining us. You completely forjoining us. You completely disagree with me and i think you disagree with me and i think you disagree with me and i think you disagree with the Prime Minister. You think hes got it completely john completely wrong. John i do, absolutely. And good evening to you. No, i absolutely disagree. If we look at where the planets going and ive been studying this for about 20 years, ive got no scientific experience. But what i have got is a brain that can look at all the data thats coming thats come through over the last 20 years. And all of that suggests a real apocalyptic event or series of events over the next 20, 30 years. And do we want that actually to happen now . I that actually to happen now . I dont agree. Absolutely dont agree that looking after the environment is not commensurate with growing wealth. Quite the reverse is true. Net zero is going to happen. No matter what. Like your previous speaker said , it is going to happen and if were at the forefront of developing technologies and intellectual technologies and production capabilities, we can export all that over the world. Now, ive been lobbying the conservative government now for three and a half years , asking three and a half years, asking them to create a tax Free Enterprise zone to bring all the best brains from around the world to set up businesses in the uk on all forms of Environmental Technology, from turning the everest, the everest mountain of plastics into whatever we can do with them, whether thats Building Blocks or other other products right the way through from that to tidal energy, anything that is environmentally friendly, that can be commercially viable. Can be commercially viable. Yeah, we did all we did all well, you know that. But this is a opportunity. Its a massive , a opportunity. Its a massive, massive business. We keep hearing that its a great opportunity. But actually what its doing at the moment is destroying jobs. Its sending jobs , sees weve got jobs overseas, sees weve got steel jobs down in port talbot. I was down there just last week, 3000 jobs, families, incomes being thrown on the scrap heap of net zero, john. And yet its just 1 of green jobs. Even the office of National Statistics says that you youre a businessman, i presume. I dont know what you do. Ive run 20 or 30 different businesses and i can tell you at any one time some of those businesses were really struggling because they were yesterdays cold bacon. And what we have to do is move forward to futuristic businesses. There is futuristic businesses. There is no doubt whatsoever that Environmental Technology is are the future commercial and will produce mass massively massive wealth for britain and massive job creation , providing the job creation, providing the government incentives these people to do it. Now well yeah, that i hear that, john. But but the reality is that john that thats taxpayers cash. No, no , its not taxpayers no, no, its not taxpayers cash. Theres no such thing as government money. No. Are you listening or challenging . Wait until ive made my point. If the government now launch an enterprise zone to bring businesses from all over the world, they give tax free incense lives that cost the taxpayer not a dime because all it is, is money. Its no tax being paid. But it wasnt going to get paid anyway. And what we do is we have, say, a ten Year Corporation tax holiday to give them chance to develop the products and to invest in their businesses and start producing and then maybe a guarantee for another 10 or 20 years that they only pay 50 of the Corporation Tax rate because theyre in a very desirable business thats helping. Now, if we do that, that costs the taxpayer not a penny. We grow jobs, we grow export and we grow commercial future for britain. And yeah, the steelwork of jobs aside, look at how many jobs we lost in the mining industry. Look at how many jobs we lost in the mining industry. We cannot. The mining industry. We cannot. And the old john for communities was devastating. For decades. John im running for decades. John im running out of time. John. The show is flying by, but im so glad you came on to put that view. This will run and run without question. John caldwell, thanks for being with us on farage at gb news. Now to the crisis is so significant, even my guest couldnt appear. Weve lost Christian Wolmar. Im going to give you a quick view on it. Ive always this ive always thought this has been project and if been a disastrous project and if youre to something youre going to do something wrong, you know, why didnt we level up in the north . Why didnt we have three from liverpool to harland to newcastle, for example . Nigel is newcastle, for example . Nigel is with me on this. Weve campaigned against it. The worst thing could do is now build thing you could do is now build a train set from a suburb in london that no ones ever heard of to a suburb in birmingham that ones ever heard of. The that no ones ever heard of. The answer is so scrap the whole thing. As far as i can see, but im delighted to be joined in this studio by someone who might also have a view on this. Jacob also have a view on this. Jacob a good evening. Good a very good evening. Good evening. Welcome to gb news evening. And welcome to gb news david maddox. David maddox. Ive had a lot of fun. Yes. Yeah, youre part of the family now. So much time. Yeah, youre part of the family novwe much time. Yeah, youre part of the family novwe much � had. To we havent had time to go through what the farage but nigel would be furious at this. What . Pubs are what . The farage jacob pubs are being stop using phrases being told to stop using phrases like same again. Would you like same again. Or would you like same again. Or would you like a double, sir . I mean, seriously , i didnt know that seriously, i didnt know that im allowed to say this, but a single gin and tonic is complete waste time. Waste of time. You heard it there you are. You heard it here single gin and here first. A single gin and tonic a complete of time. Whats coming up on your watch . Em up, were watch . Up, were going w m coming up, were going to be talking tax talking about inheritance tax because its talking about inheritance tax becau to its talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished its talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished. Its talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished. But ts talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished. But i s going to be abolished. But i think really important. Think this is really important. Its a terrible tax. Its economically inefficient and its potentially an election winner for us. You wont like this, but election for the this, but an election for the tories when youre a tory, probably even you probably even if you may sometimes under other sometimes fly under other colours. If rishi goes with colours. And if rishi goes with that not a promise, but actually abolishes it, its really exciting and economically beneficial. Whats interesting is actually it seems as though the minister been the Prime Minister has been listening to me because ive been campaigning for years against. Against inheritance tax. Tax. Its its a grief tax. Its a horrific tax. Its a double tax on people whove saved, strived , been successful, worked hard. Its the least popular tax, i think, in the country, and its stunningly economically inefficient because it causes people have bad investments people to have bad investments that dont because that they dont change because theyre the tax theyre worried about the tax consequences of changing. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uences of changing. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uthink of changing. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uthink this hanging. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is nging. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is aiing. Theyre worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is a real so i think this is a real opportunity it puts labour opportunity and it puts labour on entirely on the spot. Absolutely. Took me on the spot. Keep it or scrap it. Spot. Hs2 keep it or scrap it. Ive never been in favour of hs2 except when i was bound by collective responsibility and wasnt allowed to oppose it. Theres quite interesting wasnt allowed to oppose it. Thereofjuite interesting wasnt allowed to oppose it. Thereof keir interesting wasnt allowed to oppose it. Thereof keir starmerasting wasnt allowed to oppose it. Thereof keir starmer ating wasnt allowed to oppose it. Thereof keir starmer a few video of keir starmer a few years seen that. Years ive seen that. Yes where keir yes. Where actually keir starmer, says he was against starmer, he says he was against it both on the grounds of cost and he doing now . And merit. Whats he doing now . But your point, a suburb in london suburb in london to a suburb in birmingham. Whats he going to london to a suburb in birnwhosm. Whats he going to london to a suburb in birnwhos going ats he going to london to a suburb in birnwhos going to; he going to london to a suburb in birnwhos going to use going to london to a suburb in birnwhos going to use it ing to london to a suburb in birnwhos going to use it . 1g to do . Whos going to use it . Jacob, have a great show. Well, ive enjoyed my first show. Ill be tomorrow show. Ill be back tomorrow night. Time, place, night. Same time, same place, lots to go. Coming up, though, its the weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast. Todays showers ease overnight clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday. Some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze , but with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes. Storm agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday as that arrives before that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. Some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the east and south england. The east and south of england. Thats well see mist thats where well see some mist patches by dawn, but patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the double figures in many spots. Double figures in many spots. First thing weve got some showers moving into central southern england. They push into southern england. They push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the southeast. By mid morning. The southeast. By mid morning. Perhaps the odd rumble of Thunder Associated with these. Thunder associated with these. Weve got spell of more weve got a spell of more persistent through persistent rain moving through Northern Ireland much of Northern Ireland into much of scotland of that scotland to the south of that showers into the showers into wales in the southwest. But in between the southwest. But in between the showers, sunshine and the southwest. But in between the sh0\comes sunshine and the southwest. But in between the sh0\comes once1ine and the southwest. But in between the sh0\comes once again1d the southwest. But in between the sh0\comes once again in the sun comes out once again in the southeast temperatures southeast with temperatures here of average of 23 celsius. Average temperatures towards the north west where it will stay windy with the of gales in windy with the risk of gales in the those winds ease the far north. Those winds ease by the start wednesday with by the start of wednesday with some Early Morning sunshine for many. But storm agnes is winding itself up in the atlantic and thats going to bring a spell of wet and windy weather during wednesday afternoon evening wednesday afternoon and evening risk of widespread gales, especially around irish sea coasts theres the chance coasts where theres the chance of significant disruption on wednesday afternoon and evening i the temperatures rising , boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good evening. Its me, hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nafion Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation tonight. You know , this nation tonight. You know, this Benjamin Franklin once said that nothing is certain but death and taxes. But what isnt inevitable is taxing death itself. Prime minister is reportedly preparing to scrap this unfair and economically harmful inheritance tax. The most unpopular tax in britain. He has my full support and ill be explaining why it harms britains economy , as gb harms britains economy, as gb news spent today uncovering the migration chaos at the italian island of lampedusa. We will be asking if illegal migration is a mere drop in the ocean when compared to 600,000 legal immigrants that came to the uk last year. Well, the Prime Minister has reportedly been urged tighten visa rules as urged to tighten visa rules as new figures are set to be released november. Weve seen released in november. Weve seen a of signs of the end of a number of signs of the end of times for the disastrous , times for the disastrous, expensive hs2. So far, the costs expensive hs2. So far, the costs are apparently unknown, but it was only meant to be £30 billion. Now its projected to