Timing , and budget, completely over its timing, and its completely confused us as to what on earth it actually is and where on earth it is and isnt going to go. Is it time now to basically sack the entire thing off or is it infrastructure that this country is desperate for and this face do you remember him . This face do you remember him . Jon venables he, of course, is the killer of james bulger. Well, he has been back in prison since 2017, convicted for a second time of possessing child abuse images. And get this , hes abuse images. And get this, hes now up for parole. Should he be . What on earth is going on . Weve got it all to come. But before we get into it, lets grab tonights latest headlines. Tonights latest headlines. Michelle, thank you. Well the top story today is that the Prime Minister has set out, revised plans to his net zero plans in a contrary partial overhaul of the governments green policies. Among the measures announced this afternoon was a weakening of the phasing out of residential gas boilers , as well as easing the boilers, as well as easing the transition to electric vehicles by pushing back a ban on new petrol and diesel cars until 2035. Rishi sunak said he wanted a more pragmatic and realistic approach to net zero, which eases the burden on the british people and more importantly , has people and more importantly, has their consent. Their consent. We do not have to be powerless. Our future doesnt powerless. Our future doesnt have to be a foregone conclusion on our destiny can be our own choosing , but only if we change choosing, but only if we change the way our politics works can we be brave in the decisions we make, even if there is a political cost . Can we be honest political cost . Can we be honest when the facts change, even if its awkward . And can we put the its awkward . And can we put the long term interests of our country before the short term political needs of the moment . Even if it means being controversial . Controversial . Well, that was at number 10. This afternoon, and the move has already ignited a significant backlash. More than 250 charity backlash. More than 250 charity and business are now urging the government not to weaken green targets. Shadow paymaster general Jonathan Ashworth says the Prime Ministers decision will put pressure on households. What week rishi sunak has done today , pushed into it by liz today, pushed into it by liz truss and other right wing tory mps is undermine a crucial bit of our economy , undermine a of our economy, undermine a crucial bit of our Growth Strategy in this country. We should be taking advantage of the transit mission to electric vehicles to bring bills down for people in this country. Todays decision by rishi sunak is going to cost people more in this country because of his weakness. Well away from net zero and onto the economy and the governments plan to deal with inflation is working. Thats according to the chancellor data out this morning shows the rate of inflation fell to 6. 7 in august. Thats down from 6. 8 in july, helped by falling food prices. The bank of england had predicted the figure to increase to more than 7. And it comes ahead of another expected Interest Rate increase tomorrow, which might end up being the banks 15th rise tomorrow, which might end up being the banks15th rise in a row. Now the chancellor, jeremy row. Now the chancellor, jeremy hunt, says despite the fall, inflation is still too high. The path to lowering inflation is never easy because it doesnt happen in a straight line. But if you look at the overall picture since it peaked last autumn , it is now down 40. Last autumn, it is now down 40. And that says the plan is working. But even at 6. 7, that working. But even at 6. 7, that is a lot of pain for ordinary families who are seeing their shopping bills go up, their fuel pnces shopping bills go up, their fuel prices go up. And that is why it is essential that we continue to stick to that plan, deliver the Prime Ministers pledge and the bank of englands target , get it bank of englands target, get it right down to 2. The king and queen are in france as part of a three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values. History, culture and values. Dussane that he she they were greeted earlier on today by president Emmanuel Macron and his wife at a ceremony of remembrance at the arc de triomphe. The king then went on triomphe. The king then went on to the elysee palace, where he gave the president a book containing photographs of the pair. And this evening, the royal couple is attending a state banquet at the palace of versailles. Now consultant and versailles. Now consultant and Junior Doctors took unprecedented industrial action today , holding their first ever today, holding their first ever joint strike manning picket lines during a walkout over pay. Thousands of bma medics have stopped work at nhs hospitals across england , delaying across england, delaying operations and placing more pressure on the nhs. Meanwhile, pressure on the nhs. Meanwhile, thousands of London Underground workers are to walk out amid a long running dispute overjob cuts and safety concerns. The rmt union is saying strike action will hit commuters in the capital on the fourth and sixth of next month. The home of next month. The home secretary says plans by a social media giant to introduce end to end encryption will create a safe haven for. Meta, which owns facebook , instagram and facebook, instagram and whatsapp, plans plans to make the encryption settings standard on all 1 to 1 chats by the end of the year. So ela braverman says, though, that the change will hamper efforts to carry out vital investigation work. Shes calling on the company to work with the government to ensure adequate Safety Measures are put in place. Now, you may have in place. Now, you may have noļ¬ced in place. Now, you may have noticed today was a bit dark and windy across much of the uk as remnants of hurricane nigel swept across the country. Flood warnings are in place in parts of Northern England and wales with with unsettled conditions due to continue to this weekend. Heavy rain expected in the western regions of our country as well with higher altitude areas such as snowdonia and we know now that thats called aurora. If youre in wales and aurora. If youre in wales and in the rest of the uk that was officially made, aurora. But some people know it still as snowdonia in wales, potentially seeing even heavier downpours today. Batten down the hatches. Today. Batten down the hatches. 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Is the columnist for the Peter Hitchens , the daily mail, Peter Hitchens, and the director of the uk based education right Education Charity world. Right kerry dingle hello. Good evening to both of you. You got your water. Were all right. Were good to go. So far. So far. Well, top remarks. Well, top remarks. Pardon if you can make personal remarks. Personal remarks. Were all right. Were all right. Hes all right. Hes got his water. We know what were doing. Rishi sunak , have you doing. Rishi sunak, have you seen it . The top news story today, he made what i would today, he has made what i would call some drastic u turn is when it comes to the whole plan for how on earth this government is going achieve zero. It going to achieve net zero. It was quite a long speech, as youve just been hearing some of the highlights in the headlines there. In essence , petrol and there. In essence, petrol and diesel , some of the diesel cars, some of the deadunes diesel cars, some of the deadlines there moved from 20, 30 to 2035, similar as well with new gas boilers. Hes talking about the off grid oil boilers as well. Their deadlines , as well. Their deadlines, theyre going to be pushed back. Youre no longer going to. Youre no longer going to require homeowners and landlords and all the rest of it to meet those Energy Efficiency targets. And as well, good news for the poorest households because they will now be exempt from the ban on gas boilers from 2035. On new gas boilers from 2035. Lots of help as well for households when it comes to some of the fund available, 50 rises in some of them. Lets just remind ourselves as well of some of the other things that he treated us to the debate about how we get to net zero has thrown up a range of worrying proposals. Proposals. And today i want to confirm that under this government, they will never happen. The proposal for government to interfere in how many passengers you can have in your car. Ive scrapped it. The proposal that we should force you to have seven different bins in your home. Ive scrapped it. The proposal to make you change your diet and harm british farmers by taxing meat or to create new taxes to discourage flying or going on holiday. Ive scrapped those too. And nor will we ban new oil and gas in the north sea, which would simply leave us reliant on expensive imported energy from foreign dictators like putin. We will never impose these unnecessary and heavy handed measures on you. The british people. What did he do . Was you chanting along at home . Scrapped it . I can tell you there that the goings on tonight have divided opinion. And to debate this, i am joined tonight by the author of not zero, clarke and also a zero, ros clarke and also a former labour special adviser , former labour special adviser, paul richards. Good evening, gentlemen. If i can, can i just gentlemen. If i can, can i just start by rewinding because i want to ask the question about whether or not it was right for this country, the uk, to have basically enshrined the net zero target into law in the first place. Ill direct that initially to you, ross yeah, well, the whole net zero project has been a sort of trial of hope over reality. Its been about governments setting targets, deadlines , setting targets, deadlines, fines and so on without any idea of how they can be fulfilled, what it will cost, what the impact will be on individuals , impact will be on individuals, families, businesses and so on. And what rishi sunak has done today is really just inject a little bit more reality into that debate and say , well, look, that debate and say, well, look, yes, the costs do matter and yes , we do need to look at the impact on people because , you impact on people because, you know, frankly, the policies as they were were going to impose huge costs and inconvenience on ordinary people who might find themselves driven off the road, unable to heat their homes properly and facing bills of tens of thousands of pounds to upgrade their homes. Paul. Well, upgrade their homes. Paul. Well, hes run the white flag up, hasnt he, in terms of net zero, the claims he wants to target. But hes abolished all the means to achieve it. He has made us all a little bit smaller on the world stage. Weve thrown away whatever advantage we had as a world leader and the biggest loser today is British Business, because business, as you will know, michelle craig, is stability and needs to know to what do in terms of long term planning by chopping and changing like this. Hes thrown changing like this. Hes thrown all of that stability out of the window. He talks about bravery in his speech where was the bravery to hold a general election . Thats what we were expecting when the expecting from when the announcement that he was announcement came that he was speaking he could have put speaking and he could have put this to the people. Hes got no mandate this stuff. Mandate for any of this stuff. Nobody voted for him and hes even flunked that. I want back you, i want to come back to you, paul i want to come back to you, paul, second about paul, in just a second about that particular business question. This question. But ross, on this whole kind of world stage notion, the fact that we britain should somehow the should somehow be leading the way, racing even faster than people in some cases people like the eu in some cases to achieve these targets, i mean , responsible for about , we are responsible for about 1 some of these emissions. 1 of some of these emissions. Do we really need to be pioneering and leading the way . Pioneering and leading the way . Well, britain cannot tackle Climate Change, reduced Carbon Emissions on its own, as you say, were less than 1 of global emissions. Say, were less than 1 of global emissions. Um, you know , global emissions. Um, you know, when we started this or when britain set this net zero target in 2019, it was with the idea that it would inspire other other countries to follow suit. Now were four years down the line as think about 17 other countries have legally committed themselves to reach net zero by 2050 or some other date. The 2050 or some other date. The worlds to biggest emitters, us and china , have completely and china, have completely refused to set legally binding targets. They have aspirations, but not legally binding targets and, you know, frankly, what we were doing and what were still doing some extent is to sacrifice our own industry, sacrifice our own industry, sacrifice our own Living Standards , um, when others are standards, um, when others are not following suit. And the idea that , you know, british not following suit. And the idea that, you know, British Business was somehow going to benefit from net zero promise im sorry. Itsjust from net zero promise im sorry. Its just completely ludicrous. You look where the green jobs have gone in the past decade. Theyve gone to china or to the us. Now that joe biden is, you know , pumping these huge know, pumping these huge subsidies into us businesses , us subsidies into us businesses, us green businesses , you know, the green businesses, you know, the green businesses, you know, the Green Economy in the uk as measured by the office of national statistics, is hardly grown in a whole decade. A whole decade of, you know, these net zero targets. And so on. Its simply not creating jobs in britain. But what net zero is britain. But what net zero is doing is piling on costs on ordinary people and piling costs on business. And you look at a company like german , you know, company like german, you know, thats a prime example, german company. Its announced last year that its not going to invest in europe anymore. Its building a Ā£10 billion plant in china. Why . Because energy is china. Why . Because energy is cheaper there. It says energy is far too expensive in europe now to justify investment there. And why is that in part, its due to net zero promises and which have dnven net zero promises and which have driven up energy prices. Driven up energy prices. Final word to you on this. Pull back on your business point then to echo some of the things that ros was just saying. Absolutely i agree with your sentiment about sentiment earlier about stability certainty stability and certainty and all the but theres no the rest of it, but theres no point having certainty of a direction youve direction of travel if youve got bankrupt population in the got a bankrupt population in the meantime to meantime that cant afford to spend money anyway. Spend their money there anyway. Well, ross mentioned china and the us and and you mentioned the us and what of those countries what both of those countries have done in very different ways is invest in their industries so that capitalise on the that they can capitalise on the crisis actually turn the crisis and actually turn the crisis and actually turn the crisis opportunity. Crisis into an opportunity. And thats this government thats one thing this government under its predecessors under sunak and its predecessors have completely failed to do. So if you look at bidens intervention or the inflation reduction act, you know, billions of pounds of taxpayers money going to help the money going in to help the economy and green jobs, economy and create green jobs, which course , the money which then of course, the money comes back, it goes again. Comes back, it goes round again. People jobs, they pay taxes people have jobs, they pay taxes. Grows as. The exchequer grows as a result of this kind of intervention. So thats what were this country. Intervention. So thats what we lack this country. Intervention. So thats what we lack leaderships country. Intervention. So thats what we lack leadership already. . Intervention. So thats what we lack leadership already. But intervention. So thats what we lhes. Eadership already. But intervention. So thats what we lhes runership already. But intervention. So thats what we lhes run the ip already. But intervention. So thats what we lhes run the whiteeady. But intervention. So thats what we lhes run the white flag but now hes run the white flag up. No other country is going to want to invest and no other want to invest here and no other country going to take country is going to want to take our because weve just our lead because weve just decided to march in the opposite direction. Sad day direction. Its a really sad day for britain. On the world stage today. Michelle cor blimey. Well there you go, a different opinions on that. But for now, ross clark and paul richards, thank you for your insight. Ill throw that open to you guys at home. A sad day for the uk on the world stage. Do the uk on the world stage. Do you agree with that final sentiment there . Ive got to say, peter, this notion of, oh, britains got to be this on the world stage, weve got to be that on the world stage . Well, actually, i think what britains got to be doing is making sure were after citizens were looking after the citizens of this Country First and foremost. And not bankrupting them. Sorry them. Well, im very sorry to break to anybody thinks break this to anybody who thinks differently, is no differently, but there is no world. World stage. And most people in countries abroad think very little of britain. They dont know much britain. They dont know much about us. They dont care much about us. They dont care much about us. They dont care much about us. We long ago ceased to be major world power which be the major world power which some weirdly some people still weirdly imagine that we were. Theyre not saying, oh, the not looking saying, oh, the british are destroying all their industries. British industries. The british are imposing ridiculous costs upon themselves do same themselves. Lets do the same because theyre the british and they and they have the union jack, sentiment has not jack, that sentiment has not gone the of gone through the mind of anybody, anywhere, ever. And anybody, anywhere, ever. And its fantasy that we can lead its a fantasy that we can lead the world. I remember the nuclear people Nuclear Disarmament people used to thing that if to say the same thing that if britain would only rid of britain would only get rid of its nuclear weapons, then obviously everybody would obviously everybody else would like the and obviously everybody else would likeamericans the and obviously everybody else would likeamericans nonsense. And obviously everybody else would likeamericans nonsense. Even the americans nonsense. Even then , we a more then, when we were a more important country than are important country than we are now. Thats no use the its now. So thats no use the its quite bizarre. I mean, lets assume for a moment that the arguments of the of the net zero people are correct and that we are all doomed, doomed unless we hugely reduce the world output of carbon dioxide, then we really have to turn to china and india and to the united states, which produce immensely more of it than we do. We in this it than we do. We in this country have in the past 15 years. Ive watched it happen near me, destroy closed down and then blown up large numbers of coal fired power stations while the chinese had been building probably about 20 or 30 times, as many did that do well, what could it get it . What good did it do you tell me. Kerry dingle what do you make . Two wishes. You bhutans ideas, whatever you want to call them tonight. Well, id say its better than twas step in a better direction. But it doesnt go nearly far enough in my view, because i do see net zero as wilful self impoverishment. You know , to be honest. And i think know, to be honest. And i think we have to i was shocked by a couple of things he said. I mean, he said something really stupid when he said, yes, of course im for net zero. I realise , you know, the dangers realise, you know, the dangers of Climate Change. Just look at libya last week and im thinking, hang on a minute , thinking, hang on a minute, thats a failed state, failed infrastructure and a autocracy. Well, its a failed because his his predecessor, David Cameron, example. But for me, what is the point of all the pain that the our green elites are trying to impose if and peters mentioned some of it, its not going to do us any good. Its just going to do harm and make us less able to deal with what Climate Change does throw at us because we will need more energy. For a start. Need more energy. For a start. Well, i can tell you there was criticism of rishi sunak being in action. Man do you remember that as he suddenly sprung into action . Lindsay sprung into action . Sir Lindsay Hoyle he was furious at rishi sunaks approach today. The way that he did it, of course, he was pushed into doing this at this time because of leaks around his ideas and all the rest it. But i want to know rest of it. But i want to know your thoughts. How do you feel about the announcements tonight . Get in touch. Gb views that gbnews. Com radio. Hi there, im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. Columnist for the daily mail, Peter Hitchens. Alongside me is the director of the uks uk based Education Charity world right, which is carry dingle. Weve just been talking about uks reputation on the world stage when it comes to us pioneering and leading the way on things like net zero. Theres a sentiment coming through from you guys. Who cares about our you guys. Who cares about our reputation on the world stage . Youre saying that much of the world stage doesnt really seem to care about us . Alistair says. Can you ask everyone watching and listening to ask themselves and listening to ask themselves a simple question . As a species, a simple question . As a species, would you rather sacrifice now to maintain your future or sacrifice our future to maintain now . Deep. I like it. Ill leave now . Deep. I like it. Ill leave it with the viewers to ponder it. Lots of support , i have to. Lots of support, i have to say, for rishi sunak and some of the things and decisions and u turns that he has been making , tony, when it comes to the world stage as well, among others, pointing out the fact that the likes of china and india, the us, et cetera. India, the us, et cetera. Theyre not doing similar things when it comes to perhaps reducing their their emissions at speed. So what is the point . At speed. So what is the point . Thatis at speed. So what is the point . That is a sentiment thats coming through thick and fast as well. Every day, lets well. Now, every day, lets be honest a lot of honest now there is a lot of depressing news in the media. Im sure we all feel that, right. Any to right. So any excuse to celebrate something positive and ihave celebrate something positive and i have to focus on this a little bit tonight because every single month it feels like month pretty much it feels like im banging about inflation im banging on about inflation or whats going up and up and up. Everythings getting of up. Everythings getting out of control. Today control. Well, of course, today weve news that weve weve had the news that weve had unexpected fall in had an unexpected fall in inflation. Down again , inflation. It is down again, this time to 6. 7. Ive got to say , though, that food prices, say, though, that food prices, they are certainly nowhere near that kind of rate. Weve got an Interest Rate rise decision happening again from happening tomorrow. Again from the bank of england. Do you feel the bank of england. Do you feel like its a good news day then . Do you sit there, kerry, and think, brilliant inflation is coming down . I feel wealthier. Its day. Its a positive day. Oh, im so sorry. Two point ruin it. Im so sorry. Im going to ruin it for you. Not really. I just think its come down by a marginal amount. Yeah thats good. But is that yeah thats good. But is that something to celebrate about . No, because i think the obsession with inflation, unfortunately, is about sort of saying rising prices are causing rising prices entirely tautological. It doesnt deal tautological. It doesnt deal with britains stagnation. Low product poverty, our inability to make stuff and so higher pnces to make stuff and so higher prices are chasing less stuff. Prices are chasing less stuff. All the fact that weve had the most rubbish Government Policies that have led us to this situation failed to deal with the underlying problem. So the underlying problem. So i dont think theres anything to celebrate. I think we should celebrate. I think we should actually get annoyed that were not name your worst policy. Whats the worst policy that you think has had the most impact on inflation rising . I would say that the worst policy has been the failure to invest in infrastructure and energy. In infrastructure and energy. Well, i would say probably things like quantitative easing pumping. I would agree with you on that too. During the likes of covid. Anyway, peter, your thoughts . Well, its quite obvious i told you at the time, if you do what the government did during the great panic, the huge burning down the house wasps nest during during the covid era, if you spend, as the government did, vast quantities of money you do not have, you will get inflation. I predicted it. Im i got to see an economic history at a level but even i can tell you that its perfectly obvious and it duly happened and it continues to happen. What inflation is and i can tell you this too, its not prices rising. Its money shrinking. Rising. Its money shrinking. And it works through. And in the and it works through. And in the end, after youve shrunk the money, after a certain amount of time, prices stop rising because the money shrinks. People get used to the higher prices. These monthly figures dont mean anything. And idea that by anything. And the idea that by making expensive to making it more expensive to borrow youre going borrow money, youre going to bnng borrow money, youre going to bring down inflation is so catastrophically, ludicrously idiotic have to go idiotic that i just have to go and down. Every time he and lie down. Every time he mentions then, i mean, mentions it. But then, i mean, interest were for Interest Rates were too low for a long time. No question of that. But it certainly wont do anything to reduce inflation, to raise got raise them now. And its got nothing with it. You cant nothing to do with it. You cant squeeze inflation out an squeeze inflation out of an economy if the government has spent quantities of spent vast quantities of non existent money and this government did that, then this is how you pay for it. You. But then the flip side will be be viewers watching be therell be viewers watching me saying, michel, peter, what you about . Choice did me saying, michel, peter, what you government choice did me saying, michel, peter, what you government have . |oice did me saying, michel, peter, what you government have . Thereiid me saying, michel, peter, what you government have . There was the government have . There was a global pandemic. Had to, global pandemic. They had to, some people argue, it down. This is not to panic. They should have done what sweden did and and then we and not panic. And then we wouldnt suffering this. But wouldnt be suffering this. But they panic. We are and they did panic. And we are and i anyone can accuse me of hindsight on this if they like, but wrong because ive but theyre wrong because ive said the time and im said it all at the time and im now saying again because very now saying it again because very soon another soon theyll think of another reason have panic. In reason to have a major panic. In fact, some ways the net zero fact, in some ways the net zero obsession is, is a sort of long term, slow motion form of a similar which similar panic in which government gets the idea between between teeth that it wants between its teeth that it wants to mad it to do something however mad it is. Doesit to do something however mad it is. Does it and it is. And it does it and it damages the economy. All this goes back to David Cameron embracing the green ideology. Remember hug, husky and all remember hug, a husky and all that he suddenly decided that stuff. He suddenly decided the party would the conservative party would never any young voters never get any young voters unless it went green. When unless it went green. So when green became green overnight and became obsessively green committed obsessively green and committed the country to all kinds of crazy targets, which cannot be met without doing immense damage and quite possibly do no good at all. And graham, where we are people, the people who govern us are not very bright. People, the people who govern us are not very bright. Once youve are not very bright. Once youve cracked that, youve cracked almost everything else. Hes a harsh man and he graham sevilla, points out. Graham sevilla, he points out. Yeah. Michelle fascinating. But what food and fuel . What about food and fuel . Absolutely right. 13. 6 is fuel absolutely right. 13. 6 is fuel inflation in this country. How much of that do you reckon kerry briefly is to down greed, greed, deflation . Well i think there is an element in which businesses, as you know, are putting their pnces as you know, are putting their prices up in this situation. They certainly will. And, you know, the fact that you know, eggs are twice what they were last basic last summer, you know, basic staples is, you know, it doesnt just seem like 13. 5 on some stuff. It feels more like 50 for most peoples weekly shop. And even if you go to the cheapest markets, its still nightmare. Well, one of the things that rishi sunak was talking about in his speech today about net zero, he was cross referencing back to his five priorities and basically saying he was making great headway into that. Is he can you even remember what those five priorities were . Right stone has been in touch and he says about the whole rishi sunak situation. Michelle, you say you are a lifelong conservative, but you are saying that you do not believe of rishi sunakin that you do not believe of rishi sunak in some of the things that hes saying. Youre saying or youre suggesting that actually this is all about politics. Yes. Its all about, you this is all about politics. Yes. Its all about , you know, its all about, you know, getting through the next election and securing votes. Youre saying that you dont trust rishi sunak and royston goes as far as saying hes a backstabber. Do you agree with backstabber. Do you agree with that . Is that a little bit harsh . One question, please do you think it is possible basically, this question here is from samantha. And one of the from samantha. And one of the comments here is shes making is about this notion that renewables and all the rest of it, the energy there is a lot cheaper than things like fossil fuels pointing out things about the levies or all of the levies and the subsidies and how they are perhaps unfair , barely are perhaps unfair, barely influencing how cheap or not our energy is in this country. Well anyway, when it comes to renewables, you need the wind to blow. Hurricane nigel is about lets take a look at the weather and see whats going on. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello again, im alex burkill and heres your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. Some heavy rain across parts of the south east clearing away overnight, but blustery showers in the north west some sunny skies north west and some sunny skies on meanwhile, the on thursday. Meanwhile, at the moment, the moment, we are under the influence pressure just influence of low pressure just to north of the uk and we to the north of the uk and we have a cold front lying across south eastern parts. Its south eastern parts. And its this is bringing some this front that is bringing some intense, heavy downpours as we go through the of today. Go through the rest of today. Gradually away towards gradually clearing away towards the east overnight. Behind it, some skies developing, some clear skies developing, though notice showers though. Notice some showers towards parts of wales towards western parts of wales and england and some hefty rain across north west of the across the far north west of the uk. With the clear skies, uk. With the clear skies, temperatures are to dip temperatures are going to dip a little bit lower than some recent nights. Most towns and cities, though, holding up in double figures. So thursday is going be a brighter, sunnier going to be a brighter, sunnier day than it has been recently for most us. Least. Some for most of us. At least. Some showers already across western and southern coastal and perhaps far southern coastal areas of england and wales. These widespread these becoming more widespread as through into the as we go through into the afternoon across scotland and northern ireland, more northern ireland, a bit more cloud here some heavy cloud here and some heavy showery feeding and cloud here and some heavy shovcould feeding and cloud here and some heavy shovcould turn eding and cloud here and some heavy shovcould turn thundery and cloud here and some heavy shovcould turn thundery atd this could turn thundery at times. Temperatures to be times. Temperatures likely to be a compared to today, a touch down compared to today, but still getting to highs a touch down compared to today, but stil19,atting to highs a touch down compared to today, but stil19,atting to 20 hs a touch down compared to today, but stil19,atting to 20 celsius around 19, possibly 20 celsius through friday. Then again is going to get off to a largely bright start. But we will see showers becoming widespread as we head into the afternoon. Some of them could still be heavy, perhaps even thundery and notably still across the notably still windy across the far but things are far north west. But things are going to ease down as we go through later so through later friday. So saturday get off saturday should get to off a chilly rain returns chilly start before rain returns on sunday. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Back to me, patricia, she says , is about patricia, she says, is about rishi sunak you say completely disagree with that previous viewer there. You say rishi sunak has gone up in your estimation. You say it is fantastic to see common sense prevailing in uk politics. Finally, nigel says i am a socialist, but sunak is winning my vote again. He says its my vote again. He says its common sense. Graham says, well, im in scotland. Whats going to happen here . Will this affect us or will the snp throw a spanner in the works . Well, keep your thoughts coming in gbviews gbnews. Com is how you reach me. Do not go anywhere. Ive got lots coming. Your way. Not least hs2. I want to ask you is it time to sack the whole thing off . And of course an awful story. The killer of Jeremy Bulger , well, he is up Jeremy Bulger, well, he is up for parole. All should he ever for parole. All should he ever see the light of day again. You tell me and ill see radio. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till seven columnist for the daily mail, Peter Hitchens and the director of the uk based Education Charity wild right, kerry dingle alongside i want to talk to alongside me, i want to talk to you about to a laugh when i even hear the phrase hs2 , because if hear the phrase hs2, because if you actually know what it currently actually is, then please clarify that for me because there have been so many chops and changes to this project of which im going to actually get some of the plans up on the screen whilst were talking. So we could all re refresh our memory. But ive got to say, theres been so many conversations and be conversations and ill be playing going. There playing it as were going. There have been so many different branches some people branches to this, some people will as well, will talk about hs3 as well, Northern Rail all Northern Powerhouse rail and all the of but these kind the rest of it. But these kind of projects, lots of them. Now weve got to the point where were budget, over time, were over budget, over time, over one over complicated. Now no one really whats going really knows whats going on. Is it just to the whole it time just to sack the whole thing off . Peter i think it probably is. I think we would, although doubtless is full doubtless the contract is full of include of clauses which include enormous penalties for doing so, it will still cost us less if we cut it off. Now if we carry on ludicrously hoping that it will ever be finished or do any good, it was a stupid idea in the first place. One of the reasons why its being built is because nobody anymore studies the basic subject of geography and didnt look at a map. The landscape and size of this country simply isnt suited to high speed rail. We dont need it. What we need in this country is medium speed rail between major cities and also between the large numbers of towns which were cut off from the Railway System. In the mad the Railway System. In the mad beeching marples cuts of the 1960s. Those could have been restored for the money which was being spent on this gigantic white and they and white dinosaur. And they and that would have done some good. We just dont need it. You can get from london to birmingham quite quickly by train if you want to. There are two lines that it and if you that already do it and if you want to and improve the want to expand and improve the freight along that freight capacity along that general direction , then there is general direction, then there is the perfectly good, Great Central line, again was central line, which again was butchered under the beeching marples in 1960s and marples cuts in the 1960s and could largely be replaced could very largely be replaced and and would create an and restored and would create an enormous freight enormous amount of new freight and Passenger Capacity in the middle of the country. All these things are available, but it had to grand project. Had to to be a grand project. It had to be people could be something that people could boast had look boast about. It had to look flashy. And thats what we flashy. And so thats what we chose and this is how we pay for it. And i doubt will ever be it. And i doubt it will ever be finished. At the moment it looks set from nowhere to set to go from nowhere to nowhere. Was a political nowhere. It was a political rather than a transport project and the disadvantages of that. Well, a decade ago, if youd have people the have asked people about the costings finishing it costings for hs2 finishing it all, theyd said about 33 billion. If you ask someone that now, 100 now, theyll say about 100 billion. On hs2 . Billion. Where are you on hs2 . Do we need it . Suck it off or what . I do think its just gross mismatch management and it worries that not because ive worries me that not because ive got any illusions that britain is the world is doing anything on the world stage, but i do think theres something wrong a something seriously wrong with a country major country that cant manage major infrastructure you Infrastructure Projects. You know, the elizabeth line is worked out at a stupid amount of money per mile. Money per mile. No. No. One, im just saying everything we try, we up. I do want, however, to defend the need for speed. I do think we need for speed. I do think we need a Railway System that is fit for the 21st century and not just repairs to our existing old victorian infrastructure. Victorian infrastructure. Go very fast. Go very fast. It doesnt. The current a lot it doesnt. The current a lot of the Current Trends are doing 120, 125 miles an hour. Isnt that fast enough . The densely populated area of this country , populated area of this country, which can be served by express trains, is actually quite small. Map of france shows you the distance between major french cities greater. Same with cities is far greater. Same with spain. With germany. Their spain. Same with germany. Their high is justified high speed rail is justified here. It isnt. What we need is good reliable good medium speed, reliable intercity which we seem intercity trains, which we seem incapable of doing. Yes, its true. Anything true. We cant do anything anymore. Thats because we destroyed our Education System in the 1960s and removed most of the best schools from it and then destroyed polytechnic. Then destroyed the polytechnic. So wrecked an area of so we also wrecked an area of education which taught people precisely how such precisely how to do such projects. And then we privatise the , which huge the railways, which had a huge store centuries of experience store of centuries of experience which scattered to the winds which we scattered to the winds. Lots of other. So there are lots of other things going on. The whole things going on. But the whole idea speed rail is not idea of high speed rail is not particularly its no, it particularly modern. Its no, it isnt. It doesnt you dont have to have very fast trains to have a modern Railway System. We talk about high speed when we talk about high speed rail, wondering how rail, if youre wondering how quick speed and the quick is high speed and the minimum speed, apparently youve got reach to be able to be got to reach to be able to be considered high train is considered high speed train is 155 miles an hour on dedicated tracks. Elizabeth line in case youre wondering what kerry was talking about, that is basically like a tube line in london. You talk about not managing Infrastructure Projects properly. I completely agree with you. But this whole notion , some would argue that actually it all about levelling up. It was all about levelling up. Do you agree with the project from that . Ignore the mismanagement and overrunning. But concept hs2 being but the concept of hs2 being something would help level something that would help level up the country . Not sure that it would, im not sure that it would, but im sure it might but i mean, im sure it might have some spin in terms of have some spin off in terms of jobs in the north, but its not even to get north. Even going to get to the north. Now, thats the tragedy of the whole thing. As far as we know, if birmingham , it if it reaches birmingham, it will amazing. And peters will be amazing. And peters point was, it might not even get to london anyway. So its now scheduled to arrive, not in Central London station, but just somewhere mild suburbs of london. Theres actually a perfectly good reason for that, but it isnt youre youre isnt if youre if youre travelling from to centre travelling from centre to centre , selling the thing on , if youre selling the thing on being fast, putting being very fast, then putting a stopping train on the end of it is crazy. It completely defeats is crazy. It completely defeats the purpose of it. I dont think it ever had huge potential in terms of levelling up, but i do think the high speed electrified into urban trains and roads and networks and decent infrastructure in this country is badly needed. And, you know, is badly needed. And, you know, it does feel like were crumbling and incapable and surely thats crazy around the city where i live, which is oxford, there are, i think, six large, medium sized market towns which until 1965 had their own connections to the railway network. All of them have been robbed a bit ludicrously, if you want to make a train journey from any of them, you have to drive to a railhead somewhere else. This is the case all over the country. Significant, important towns and not network. With not on the railway network. With the that we have wasted on the money that we have wasted on hs2, have reconnected hs2, we could have reconnected them. Have we them. We should have done. We still it. But this is still should do it. But this is a lesson plan for something worth speed is worth having. The high speed is just is just flash stuff. It just is just flash stuff. It doesnt actually solve any real major transport problems. Well, can you imagine if rishi sunak did actually come out and make that tough decision and you know what, were and say, you know what, were scrapping the media, scrapping the lot. The media, laboun scrapping the lot. The media, labour, theyd never let him live because all of live it down because of all of the investment money that the investment and money that has spent. So susan has been spent. So far. Susan says anyone supports hs2, says if anyone supports hs2, then they should come up to where i live in leamington spa. See the destruction to the countryside tell me countryside and then tell me whether not you still agree whether or not you still agree with it. Martin says. Walking off minutes city soon. See off 15 minutes city soon. See what need these trains to what need all these trains to get absolutely everywhere, get you . Absolutely everywhere, ian , fine, keep hs2, but ian says, fine, keep hs2, but only for freight. Ian says, fine, keep hs2, but only for freight. And joe says only for freight. And joe says if this was ever supposed to be about levelling up, why did so much of the project and the stats and all the rest of it commence in and around the south and the conversations about connecting, say, the midlands , connecting, say, the midlands, for example, to london quicker . He says. Why wasnt all of the northern elements of this priority list particularly something passionate about, something im passionate about, the east to west thing . The whole east to west thing . Good anyone is indeed good luck. If anyone is indeed trying get to west in trying to get east to west in this country , heres an attempt. This country, heres an attempt. But it isnt getting anything like amount money like the same amount of money investment. Point. Very good point. Very good point. That was destroyed. Again, that was destroyed. I iused again, that was destroyed. I i used to travel on the east west line that was destroyed again in the 1960s. Yeah. And a lot of well, yeah. And a lot of these strikes anyway, good luck getting anywhere on the trains these but anyway, railway these days. But anyway, Railway Companies these days. But anyway, railway con strike. I these days. But anyway, railway constrike. I have a very the strike. I have a very important i want important topic i want to discuss with the. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry, channel seven, columnist for the daily mail. Peter hitchens and the director of uk based Education Charity world rights. Kerry alongside in kerry dingle. Alongside me in the break, we were just talking about nigel. Well, about hurricane nigel. Well, peter didnt think peter said he didnt think that sounds nigel sounds very ferocious. Nigel well, pointing out. Well, i was just pointing out. Theres a boxer, nigel benn i think so, isnt there . Nigel benni think so, isnt there . Nigel benn i dont think im making that up. You tell me. But still, as a as a name for hurricane, it seems to me to be. Do they have a name, a hurricane after women . Because i got to say, a lot of the women i know, they are far more ferocious than some of the men that i know. I dont know whether experts can in touch whether experts can get in touch and me. But for i want and tell me. But for now, i want to about a very to talk to you about a very serious, horrific situation. We will all familiar, sure, will all be familiar, im sure, with horrific murder, with the horrific mass murder, murder bulger and one with the horrific mass murder, m|hisr bulger and one with the horrific mass murder, m|his killers, bulger and one with the horrific mass murder, m|his killers, again,. Ger and one with the horrific mass murder, m|his killers, again, azr and one with the horrific mass murder, m|his killers, again, a name one of his killers, again, a name that will familiar with that you will be familiar with gives goosebumps. John gives me goosebumps. John venables, he he is in the news again today. Er, its an awful day when this happens because you kind of know what it means. Long story short, the guy is in prison. He is in prison because he been looking indecent he has been looking at indecent images children. He is again he has been looking at indecent imageļæ½ parole. Ldren. He is again he has been looking at indecent imageļæ½ parole. Itsn. He is again he has been looking at indecent imageļæ½ parole. Its a he is again he has been looking at indecent imageļæ½ parole. Its a specialgain up for parole. Its a special two day long parole hearing. As i it. Will i understand it. It will most likely private. Likely be conducted in private. It skin im not it makes my skin crawl. Im not in of this country, but in charge of this country, but if i was firstly, would if i was firstly, you would never out prison in the if i was firstly, you would neveplace. Out prison in the if i was firstly, you would neveplace. When prison in the if i was firstly, you would neveplace. When youve in the if i was firstly, you would neveplace. When youve donee first place. When youve done that james bulger, would that to james bulger, you would then coming out of then never be coming out of prison. Again. If you cant stop prison. Again. If you cant stop yourself from re offending. And i would be delighted if you never saw the light of day again. Peter, do you agree or not . Well, not really. And i remember when happened, remember when all this happened, being up on merseyside, writing about trying some about it and trying to make some sense have to say sense of it. And i have to say that i couldnt and i still cant. I couldnt out why cant. I couldnt work out why this why two this had happened, why the two boys behaved like that. Boys had behaved like that. I couldnt of anything couldnt think of anything remotely to remotely comforting to say to the of the small the bereaved family of the small boy so horribly killed. Boy who was so horribly killed. I i couldnt work i still cant. I couldnt work out earth could. Why. Out what on earth could. Why. Wisely or compassionately or sensibly or in any way be done. About ten year old boys whod killed another child and i still cant. And im left just wondering what on earth was another. I have to say thats of any use about this either. You can have a strong opinions about it like. Im as appalled it as you like. Im as appalled by killing as grieved by by the killing and as grieved by the death of the child as anybody full of anybody is and as full of sympathy bereaved as sympathy for those bereaved as anybody i cant see any anybody is. But i cant see any particular saying particular purpose as in saying anything it just leaves anything else. It just leaves us. A question. Us. Well, ive got a question. Completely baffled. Ive got a question. Am i am baffled by it . I just am. Yeah ive got a question for you. And this is not a young boy by the way. This jon venables fella is 40 now. Kerry dingle where are in it . No, he ten are you in it . No, he was ten when he did it. Youre quite right. Kerry well, i do feel that we should have a little bit more faith parole board. You faith in the parole board. You know, do, because do. Know, i really do, because i do. You theyve hundreds you know, theyve got hundreds of evidence witness of pages of evidence and witness testimonies, and i dont believe that boards that the parole parole boards are there for two days are sat there for two days thinking, how i make life thinking, how can i make life worse public . I really worse for the public . I really dont. They have dont. And i do think they have got, know, like of us, got, you know, like all of us, the interest heart the Public Interest at heart over whos actively over someone whos actively city, you know, since he was let out , age 18 city, you know, since he was let out, age 18 has been. Helius city, you know, since he was let out, age 18 has been. Helius in hes revisited you know child and all this kind of stuff. So i have no sympathy forjon venables, by the way. I do recognise. It was a horrific recognise. It was a horrific crime. And committed by crime. And committed by children, which as peter says, is pretty inexplicable. But i dont go with this emotional gut reaction helping anyone. I dont reaction helping anyone. I dont think helps the relatives and think it helps the relatives and i dont think lock away the key or lock up, you know, them or lock up, you know, lock them away forever them and away forever or hang them and flog help anyone. Away forever or hang them and flogl help anyone. Away forever or hang them and flogl do. Help anyone. Away forever or hang them and flogl do. Justelp anyone. Away forever or hang them and flogl do. Just want|yone. Away forever or hang them and flogl do. Just want to ne. Away forever or hang them and flogl do. Just want to say, i do. Just want to say, because a lot of people use this phrase you just then phrase that you just used then about, might be looking about, oh, it might be looking at be absolutely at child just to be absolutely clear, nothing is clear, there is nothing there is no child. You no such thing as child. You dont at child. A child dont look at child. A child cant when you look at cant be a star when you look at so called child , youre looking so called child, youre looking at a crime scene and youre looking at a child as being abused. Just want to clear abused. I just want to clear that want to that up. And i also want to clear some of the stuff that clear up some of the stuff that this disgusting being, this disgusting human being, john of John Venables, has done. Some of the the things that hes the some of the things that hes done murdering james done since murdering james bulger. Like bulger. Hes done things like posed year old posed online as a 35 year old woman whod been in abuse, raising her eight year old daughter her. Hes had to have four separate new identities , four separate new identities, apparently disgusting that in itself. I take issue with Peter Hitchens. What do you say . Is she with why does this man who by now he is probably the same age there or thereabouts as me, dont want to come across me, i dont want to come across him the street. Him in the street. I certainly dont want to develop friendship him. Develop a friendship with him. I would never to would certainly never want to come across on dating come across him on a dating site. Me. I would site. Get away from me. I would like to know who you are and keep a berth you keep a wide berth when you develop this new identity develop this whole new identity of this man. He could become one of this man. He could become one of my friends, as i would have no not okay. Okay. No idea. Thats not okay. Okay. Well what is again, what is the alternative . Alternative . If you can either keep him locked up for the rest of his life and there is a in cases such as this, it seems to me an argument for locking people up, not necessarily in prison conditions, but conditions of conditions, but in conditions of where where they are. Theyre prevented going out in prevented from ever going out in into the world. But but but not not in actual prison conditions. Theres an argument for that. If you want, because ultimately the prison sentences which he can serve , i suppose limited in law serve, i suppose limited in law and also limited in other ways. But you cant if you let the other the otherjames bulger other the other james bulger killer has been given a new identity. And as far as i know, has not re offended in any way. Do you think the giving of a new identity to him was was was an error . Do you think he shouldnt have been . I think he should have been . I think he should have been. I think should have been. I think he should have been. I think he should have to have been compelled to live under name. But under his actual name. But people have known he people should have known who he was. Yeah. Do you think was. Yeah. How long do you think that have lasted in reality . Well, know what . If well, do you know what . If you want to go around torturing two children , then two year old children, then unfortunately and we part ways. Unfortunately and we part ways. We dont agree on these kind of things. Aware that. But things. Im aware of that. But if around torturing if you go around torturing children, you know you children, then you know what you live with the consequences of your actions. Theres those consequences should decided by law, not by should be decided by law, not by a of people. You meet in a group of people. You meet in little. Little. Well, as i always say, its all of my regular viewers is a fine job that i am not in charge of this country. Because if i was well, i think thats rather true, actually. Yes. Yes. Yeah, but it wouldnt even be in front of a parole board. What are you doing . Even being considered when you are you doing . Even being con a dered when you are you doing . Even being con a multiple when you are you doing . Even being cona multiple repeatwhen you are you doing . Even being con a multiple repeat offender, are a multiple repeat offender, you are discuss busting. And i hope you never, ever , ever see hope you never, ever, ever see the light of day again. Then, the light of day again. Then, quite frankly, ive got to say, theres not much sympathy coming through for John Venables or whatever. No ones asking for sympathy anyway. Nobodys asked for sympathy for him at all. Again , another day, im sure. Again, another day, im sure. For now, time flies. Thank you for watching, nigel farage. Up next, the temperatures rising. Next, the temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Im alex burkill and heres your latest. Gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. Some heavy rain across parts of the south east clearing away overnight, but blustery showers in the north west sunny skies blustery showers in the n0|thursday. Sunny skies blustery showers in the n0|thursday. Meanwhile|nny skies blustery showers in the n0|thursday. Meanwhile aty skies blustery showers in the n0|thursday. Meanwhile at the ies on thursday. Meanwhile at the moment, we are under the influence of low pressure just to north uk and we to the north of the uk and we have a cold lying across have a cold front lying across south its south eastern parts and its this front is bringing some this front that is bringing some intense, downpours. And as intense, heavy downpours. And as we through the rest of today we go through the rest of today , clearing , gradually clearing away towards east, overnight. Towards the east, overnight. Behind some skies behind it, some clear skies developing, though. Notice some showers towards western parts of wales and england and some hefty rain across the far north west of with the clear skies, of the uk with the clear skies, temperatures going dip temperatures are going to dip a little lower than some little bit lower than some recent most towns and recent nights. Most towns and cities, though, holding up in double to double figures. Thursday is to going be brighter, sunnier day going be a brighter, sunnier day than recently than it has been recently for most least. Some most of us, at least. Some showers already across western and perhaps far southern coastal areas england and wales. Areas of england and wales. These becoming more widespread as into the as we go through into the afternoon and afternoon across scotland and northern ireland. A bit more cloud here and some heavy showery rain feeding in and this could thundery times. Could turn thundery at times. Temperatures likely to be a touch down compared to today, but getting highs but still getting to highs around possibly 20 celsius around 19, possibly 20 celsius through friday. Then again is going to get off to a largely bright start. But will see bright start. But we will see showers becoming widespread as we into the afternoon. Some we head into the afternoon. Some of them still be heavy, we head into the afternoon. Some of them even still be heavy, we head into the afternoon. Some of them even thundery 1eavy, we head into the afternoon. Some of them even thundery and y, perhaps even thundery and notably still windy across the far north west but things are going to ease down as we go through later friday. So saturday should get off to a chilly before rain returns chilly start before rain returns on sunday. The temperatures gb news. Good evening. A screeching good evening. A screeching u turn from rishi sunak today. 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