We get into it, lets grab tonights latest headlines. Tonights latest headlines. Michelle, thank you. The top story tonight is that the metropolitan police has launched an investigation after receiving an investigation after receiving a number of sex offence allegations against russell brand. The force says the cases are not recent and no arrests have been made. It follows an investigation by channel fours dispatch programme and the times and sunday times. The comedian denies the accusations against him made by four women. As youve been hearing, the army, which was on standby to help the metropolitan police, has been stood down. Its after a significant number of Counter Terrorism firearm officers stepped back from their dufies officers stepped back from their duties after a colleague was charged with murder over the shooting of chris kaba in south london last year. The force says enough officers have now returned to armed duties to meet its Counter Terrorism responsibilities without military help. Law and Order Foundation director Norman Brennan says the criminal Justice System is broken. Justice system is broken. Im not talking about this case. Let me tell you why. I think some Police Officers are charged. Its not because theres good evidence against them. Its often because there is a certain outcry in our community. And what the independent office of Police Corruption do and the crown prosecution service, they dare not for it. If its not sufficient evidence. What they do is they allow it to a jury. And you know why they do that . And you know why they do that . And i say this with the most utmost respect and experience. 45 years of law and order is because they fear public disorder on the streets. Disorder on the streets. London gatwick has introduced a temporary limit on flights to prevent delays in cancellations after an outbreak of coronavirus amongst air Traffic Control staff. Therell be a limit of 800 flights a day, which includes both departure and arrival flights. The arrival flights. The restrictions will remain in place until sunday, the 1st of october. Thats after 30 of nats tower staff are currently unavailable, due to medical reasons, including covid and the Greater Manchester mayor has said today the north shouldnt have to pay for the governments mismanagement of hs2. Rishi sunakis mismanagement of hs2. Rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee that the manchester leg of the line will be completed with a decision expected to be announced before the Tory Party Conference next week. But andy conference next week. But andy burnham says curtailing the project represents the opposite of levelling up. The Prime Minister , however, insists hes minister, however, insists hes committed to the long term tory pledge for this kind of speculation that people are making is not right. I mean weve got spades in the ground. Were getting on and delivering, but across the north what were also doing is connecting up all the towns and cities the north east to cities in the north east to west. Thats a really important part we will create jobs, part of how we will create jobs, drive growth the region, drive growth across the region, all of our plans to level all part of our plans to level up freeports are another good example that, whether thats example of that, whether thats in teesside or elsewhere. Attracting investors and new attracting new investors and new businesses coming in all good examples of the government levelling up. The home secretary is calling for unity among western leaders to combat the global migration crisis. To combat the global migration crisis. Shes to combat the global migration crisis. Shes visiting the crisis. Shes visiting the United States and Suella Braverman will tell an audience in washington that other countries may be able to learn from the uks innovative attempts to tackle illegal migrants. Shes questioning whether legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose. The home secretary has expressed her personal desire to leave the European Court of human rights, which she holds responsible for the failure of the rwanda scheme. One i million nhs appointments have had to be cancelled since december because of strikes in england and last weeks industrial action by Junior Doctors and consultants meant the country has reached the milestone in figures set to be announced today. Another be announced today. Another double is scheduled for double strike is scheduled for next organisations next week. The organisations deputy chief executive, saffron cordery, labelled it cordery, has labelled it damaging demoralising ing damaging and demoralising ing the serial killer. Lucy letby is facing a retrial on the attempted murder of a baby girl known only as child k. The former nurse was jailed for life former nurse was jailed for life for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others at attempting to kill six others at a hospital in chester. Between 2015 and 2016, jurors were unable to reach a verdict on six further counts of attempted murder. A provisional date has been set for june murder. A provisional date has been set forjune next murder. A provisional date has been set for june next year. Expert experts are warning the government wont meet its manifesto pledge to end homelessness by next year. The Kerslake Commission says there are chronic and unresolved issues in the housing system with a crisis pushing more people on the streets. The number of people sleeping rough last autumn was 25 higher than the same period three years ago. The government, though, says it is spending £2 billion to end rough sleeping for good. And finally , a space capsule finally, a space capsule carrying soil from the surface of an asteroid has been recovered by nasa. The sample recovered by nasa. The sample was collected by the eresus rex spacecraft before making the 1. 2 billion mile journey to be parachuted through the earths atmosphere and landing in the desert in utah. In the United States, scientists are hoping it will shed light on the formation of the solar system and the origin of life on earth itself. If youre with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news this is britains news. Channel thanks for that , polly. Im thanks for that, polly. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Alongside me, the Pr Consultant alex deane and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, James Schneider. Good evening, gents. Good evening. But nurses that hs2 story there in the headlines. We discuss this at length a few days ago on this programme. But im really interested about this northern thing. Theres of thing. Theres a lot of criticism aimed the tories criticism aimed at the tories saying they dont care about the northerners , do they . Saying they dont care about the norwell,ers , do they . Saying they dont care about the norwell, is , do they . Saying they dont care about the norwell, i dont they . Saying they dont care about the norwell, i dont think that can well, i dont think that can be true apart from anything else. You look at it else. If you just look at it from naked self interest, it without north, the without the north, the conservative have conservative party doesnt have a majority in house a majority in the house of commons. My fear with hs2 is that more you salami slice that the more you salami slice it, youre trying to it, even if youre trying to realise that you you realise benefits that you you claim are had, the less claim are to be had, the less utility from whats left utility you get from whats left of it. James it was fundamentally badly conceived. Have started it they should have started it from coming down. From the north, coming down. Thats the transport thats where the transport connections less and connections are less good and maybe the maybe even started with the liverpool to hull line connecting north first connecting up the north first before it a faster to before making it a bit faster to go london birmingham go from london to birmingham where quick. Where its already quick. Common sense at last. See common sense at last. Therell be a lot of northerners out agreeing with you. A out there agreeing with you. A lot of people, they dont speak sense on hs2, do they . A lot of people well. Very confused people as well. Very confused about hs2 is these about what hs2 even is these days it began life days because what it began life as versus where it is or perhaps isnt its vastly isnt today. Its vastly different, it . Let me know different, isnt it . Let me know your thoughts on hs2. Are you a northerner . Do you actually agree with the concept of scrapping it all . Do you think that they do care about you . And that they do care about you . And that whole point that james made there was a good one. You are there was a good one. If you are so passionate the north, so passionate about the north, why on all the why not begin on all the construction, of it construction, all the rest of it from the north downwards . I dont know. You tell me. On this programme, not just about programme, it is not just about us through, you know the drill. It about you guys home. It is about you guys at home. Whats your mind tonight . Whats on your mind tonight . Ive coming way. Ive got a lot coming your way. Ive got a lot coming your way. I talk to you about buy i want to talk to you about buy now, pay later. Also inheritance tax. Police officers armed tax. Police officers being armed. You to be armed . Would you want to be armed . Walking the streets of london or beyond . And lots more coming beyond . And lots more coming your way. So get in touch all the usual ways. Vaiews gbnews. Com. Can vaiews gbnews. Com. Or you can tweet at news. Paul you tweet me at gb news. Paul you are one of my first emails tonight. A little ditty dewbs tonight. A little ditty dewbs co. What a show on the telly. Just a head. No belly. Shes on the ball. She knows it all. Just watch her show and you will know i like it. Im watch her show and you will know i like it. Im very pleased you dont see my belly. Id have to spend the whole time breathing in right. Lets get in anyway. Right. Lets get stuck in one of the topics that have got you guys talking tonight police tonight is this armed police situation. As you might situation. Because as you might have a number have heard today, that a number of armed officers, fact, at of armed officers, in fact, at one point, i think it was all but about five people that were on leave or something on annual leave or something were conversation as it was were the conversation as it was anyway. They basically anyway. They were basically handing tickets, their handing in their tickets, their guns, of a better word. Guns, for want of a better word. And apparently and the armed forces apparently were going to be on standby anyway. Its all kind of calmed down a little bit now. It all stemmed from the charges that have been levied against one officer for the case of chris kaba. I cant really get into the specifics of that case for legal reasons. Its an ongoing case. But on the more broader question about our armed forces , armed officers, sorry, getting enough protection within the law. You are a barrister. Where law. You are a barrister. Where do you stand on it . Your viewers wont like this. You do need some oversight over those who are equipped with weaponry deliver lethal weaponry that can deliver lethal outcomes on the streets of britain. Now we are asking these people in High Pressure environments to take split second decisions. So im very sympathetic to the people put in that situation and indeed the persecution of people in a rather different context. But out of sunday again and again and again, i think has been completely wrong. But you cant have no investigation and you cant have no accountability. Cant have no accountability. Weve had 33 fatal shootings in london since 1991, a year. And thats actually a very, very low rate for a city of this kind of size for prosecutions have resulted. And no convictions. That seems to me to be a system thats basically working. Do you agree with that . Do you agree with that . I think broadly, yes. I think alex is right that high levels of scrutiny are placed on people who have weapons and its right that they do because the police are meant to be having this essentially the same powers as civilians, but theyre outsourced because theyre doing it all of the time. Thats the principle that were meant to have of policing by consent. If you have by consent. So if you have powers like the power to kill because youve have a gun because youve you have a gun that this extra that requires this extra scrutiny. And i can understand that. Its 100 out of that. I think its100 out of the 3000 firearm officers responded to one of their colleagues being on trial for the murder of chris kaba last yeah the murder of chris kaba last year. And i can understand how 100 people would be would feel emotionally very strongly about that and would want to support their colleague. That doesnt mean that wrong that that mean that its wrong that that that Police Officer is that that that Police Officer is prosecuted. And, of course, we dont know any of the actual details in the case. So we cant say. But it doesnt mean in any way that its because theyve taken that decision that theyre that they feel theyve responded strongly it doesnt strongly to, that it doesnt mean doing so was wrong. Mean that doing so was wrong. And there are still plenty of armed , you know, armed, met armed, you know, armed, met officers who are there. One thing where i would slightly quibble with with alex, its basically all working. Maybe basically all working. Maybe its working, but i think from things that weve seen over the last few years about how things are operating within the met, within the culture of the met and policing, i think theres probably scope for a review of how this operates as well. So i wouldnt say everything is working fine, but you know, broadly, yeah, i agree. You forgive me. Certainly you forgive me. I certainly dont think is dont think everything is working will working fine. Some people will expect on the right expect somebody on the right like automatically be like me to automatically be on the of the police, but the side of the police, but thats the case. Thats not the case. The investigation daniel investigation into daniel morgan, who morgan, the journalist who was murdered, head in murdered, axe in his head in a car park. In fact, the last investigation of five into the mets conduct found that the met investigation of five into the met� institutionallyid that the met investigation of five into the met� institutionally corruptthe met investigation of five into the met� institutionally corrupt. Ie met was institutionally corrupt. Well, i wouldnt maintain everything fine , given that everything was fine, given that and the prosecutions that and of the prosecutions that have brought against have been brought against officers shooting dead members have been brought against of1thes shooting dead members have been brought against of1the public ing dead members have been brought against of1the public on dead members have been brought against of1the public on the|d members have been brought against of1the public on the streets bers have been brought against of1the public on the streets of � s of the public on the streets of london. One was, of course, into the case of jean charles de menezes. Now, i may well not think the officer directly responsible for that death was criminally culpable to the point of being convicted of murder. Criminally culpable to the point of bgiven onvicted of murder. Criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that ted of murder. Criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the of murder. Criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the police � der. Criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the police misled but given that the police misled the about what he meant, the public about what he meant, jimenez the Jimenez Jimenez had done on the way in, im not claiming everything was right that. Everything was right about that. Not familiar. That is youre not familiar. That is the one. I think it was a stockwell tube. And i think was he a brazilian . Brazilian . Was a case of mistaken and it was a case of mistaken identity. That identity. And they said that hed jumped the barriers, but he didnt. No, no, no. And he didnt. No, no, no. He and he didnt. No, no, no. He and he didnt. He had. Untrue didnt. He had he had. Untrue and you do see that quite often in high profile incidents where theres some kind of confrontation of some sort between the public and the police, big asymmetry police, theres a big asymmetry in because if the in information because if the police out some press police put out some press information, therefore, that will exactly. Information, therefore, that wiliand exactly. Information, therefore, that wiliand later xactly. Information, therefore, that wiliand later ,actly. Information, therefore, that wiliand later , people still and years later, people still think jumped the barriers think he jumped the barriers when he did no thing. When he did no such thing. When you said youre opening line, you said the viewers of this were like, what i this programme were like, what i have would you have to say. Why would you assume that . Because i think that people expect rally in situations expect us to rally in situations like this to side of those like this to the side of those who understandably, who are understandably, understandably, us to understandably, they want us to rally of those rally the side of those entrusted with this grave duty. But my is , you cant just but my point is, you cant just give people blanche to be give people Carte Blanche to be police with weapons like this on on the streets of london. And indeed, lets view it in another context. This man has been convicted of nothing. Lets agree with that. Yeah. A teacher accused of misconduct or a doctor accused of misconduct. If all their nurses and nurses and colleagues, if their teachers and colleagues came out on strike sympathy, might strike in sympathy, we might think, on, what about think, well, hang on, what about the . What the the patients . What about the students . Think there are two students . I think there are two sides to this. And rather than everyone withdrawing their labour and getting my full throated support, we should labour and getting my full throated itrpport, we should labour and getting my full throated it logically. Should labour and getting my full throated it logically. Shou|the examine it logically. Well, the inbox, to see inbox, thats why i look to see whether system is working whether the system is working or not. Is actually pretty the inbox is actually pretty divided. So andy it was divided. So andy says, if it was your or father or son your brother or father or son that was shot in error by an armed officer, surely armed Police Officer, surely anyone would want it fully investigated someone investigated and then someone criminally indeed criminally charged. If indeed they were to be negligent. They were found to be negligent. Pat said the police are not above and they need to above the law and they need to remember very important remember that very important fact, says. Or she says, fact, he says. Or she says, there is much corruption, it there is so much corruption, it is essential that there is justice john says justice for all. John says michelle. Be michelle. The police can be trained and a day trained and forever and a day basically. Facing real basically. But facing the real thing is a complete different matter. Human nature and self preservation over all self preservation takes over all the training in the land. He says he saved 28 years. Military experience, and he speaks with experience, and he speaks with experience. Graham says police experience. Graham says police have to make these split second decisions. Should not have to worry about facing prosecution if something goes wrong , michael if something goes wrong, michael says. Michelle, you ask, would we like to see more armed police 7 we like to see more armed police . Quite frankly, i would like to see any police man on the street, never mind an armed one. Do you think all Police Officers should be armed . Perhaps say , should be armed . Perhaps say, for example, not with a gun, but maybe taser . Maybe with a taser . No, i dont think so. I think we want to have police ing to be as close to the community as possible, as much of policing, to be as close to the community as possible. Would you go into certain like rough communities and of it if you and all the rest of it if you werent armed to protect yourself as a Police Officer . Yeah, it depends on the yeah, i mean, it depends on the circumstances. But circumstances. But yes, but i mean, should turn this mean, also we should turn this around, right . We need to have policing by consent. You store policing by consent. You store up big problems. If you up very big problems. If you dont have policing by consent. Dont have policing by consent. So thats why i think there needs be much more Community Needs to be much more Community Level oversight level engagement and oversight over is done, over to how policing is done, because if policing done like because if policing is done like an Occupying Force where you have to be armed, where theres no necessarily a confrontation just by your presence, then the system is really not working. I agree with a good deal of that. Least because that. Not least because weve stopped policing proactively that. Not least because weve stoppe i dont think there were im incorrect correct im incorrect correct me if im wrong, not sure the wrong, but im not sure the plan was to have the randomly was just to have the randomly patrolling wasnt it that they were in the of like were there in the case of like an emergency scenario where they the point the very drafted in very point about that has produced about the case that has produced the that not the situation is that not everything goes to plan in these situations. Well im little situations. Well im a little bit say its bit harsh i always say its a good for job everyone. Bit harsh i always say its a good forjob everyone. Quite good for job everyone. Quite frankly, im charge of frankly, im not in charge of this country. But i would argue actually some cases, if actually that in some cases, if People Army Soldiers people did see Army Soldiers patrolling the streets, they might some might think twice about some of the get up to the antics that they get up to anyway, i will leave you guys to have final word on the final have the final word on the final thoughts topic. Ill thoughts on that topic. Ill bnng thoughts on that topic. Ill bring your responses in bring some of your responses in after the break as well. But i want to ask you about buy now, pay youre familiar pay later. Youre all familiar with concept. Apparently with this concept. Apparently about have actually about 1 in 8 of us have actually used these services. But do you support them . Are they exploitation poor or are exploitation of the poor or are they essential they just basically an essential service . To regulate service . Do we need to regulate it more . You tell me terrorists . Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till seven alongside me, Pr Consultant alex dean and the former advisor to jeremy corbyn, James Schneider. Jeremy corbyn, James Schneider. Now, chris, when we were talking about armed Police Officers, your email came in. We were talking about hs2 at the start of the programme, asking why, if you care so much about the north, why dont you start the whole the north whole project in the north rather than starting it down south . Did make me south . Chris you did make me chuckle you say why chuckle because you say why didnt they start hs2 in the north . Michelle because north . Michelle simple, because who to get to who on earth wants to get to hull faster . For me, quite frankly, in anyway, i think what were about whole were talking about is the whole kind to west piece kind of east to west piece rather north to south. Rather than north to south. Patricia michelle, whats rather than north to south. Patricion . Michelle, whats rather than north to south. Patricion . Howichelle, whats rather than north to south. Patricion . How does e, whats rather than north to south. Patricion . How does e, w pronounce going on . How does one pronounce the h . Is it h or is it the letter h . Is it h or is it h . Please please advise by patricia. I shall let you into a patricia. I shall let you into a little secret when youre from hull, we drop the letter. Well, hull, we drop the letter. Well, you would say h and then because we tried to make ourselves sound a little bit more, i dont know. We call it a telephone voice. So instead of saying im from ul, which is how we would say it, we say im from hull, which then leads to that over pronunciation of the letter h. So it of the letter h. So then it becomes h. Are any clearer . Becomes h. Are you any clearer . No no. Shall i move on . Also amanda says. Can i say james is a breath of fresh air. We need more like him to represent the left side of the debate. Hes so balanced and reasoned in his arguments, and comes armed arguments, and he comes armed with facts. Have you been paying with facts. Have you been paying our viewers to get in touch with. Well, i couldnt possibly comment. Well, there you go. Keep your thoughts coming in. But to talk to you now. A but i want to talk to you now. A very serious issue, actually, lee. You know, buy pay lee. You know, buy now, pay later nearly later because apparently nearly 3 households earn. Oh, 3 million households earn. Oh, sorry, £2. 7 billion adds when it comes to these deals, the labour party and our basically coming out talking tough, saying that we need to regulate this industry a lot more when it comes to things like credit checks and all the rest of it. Well, regulating this industry has been going on for a long time and theres been a lot of consultations as well. Time and theres been a lot of cons nothing; as well. Time and theres been a lot of consnothing really as well. Time and theres been a lot of cons nothing really hasis well. Time and theres been a lot of consnothing really has happened. And nothing really has happened. Do you agree . Now that it is time to get hold of these time to get a hold of these things . Do things like your credit checks and all the rest of it . think it is. think it is. We do yes, i think it is. We do have a problem with problem lenders, think we can look lenders, and i think we can look at it that way round when were talking about regulation. There talking about regulation. There are lot of people that are in are a lot of people that are in too much debt for how much money that theyve come theyve got coming in. And so i think things like like capping the maximum amount that you can pay back. So you can never pay back more than the principal that you pay by capping the Interest Rates that you can that that you are legally allowed to take people for monthly to deal with the payday for monthly to deal with the payday lending thing. It would be set of reforms and be important set of reforms and should be thats the sort of regulation we need. Now that doesnt mean stopping anybody from having a buy now, pay later for loads of people, thats absolutely fine. But for those who it isnt and would be adding to their debt pressures down the line some regulation to stop problem lending would be a good thing. You cant you cant mean a rule that says you cant pay back more than the principal because that would mean no interest at all. Sorry. No, the interest is not being, say, double the principal. So some some some not being, say, double the p|of ipal. So some some some not being, say, double the p|of the. So some some some not being, say, double the p|of the principal. � some some not being, say, double the p|of the principal. Yeah. � some not being, say, double the p|of the principal. Yeah. Yeah,� ne x of the principal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Why do you stand in terms of checking . Of credit checking . The businesses are well, the businesses are entitled to run credit checks to make sure theyre going to make sure theyre not going to lose on things. But lose money on things. But i dont think the government should pass law that requires should pass a law that requires burdensome checks burdensome credit checks to be run when , as james run in all cases when, as james rightly says, the majority of people these services do people using these services do it they want to and they it because they want to and they enjoy lets lets put names enjoy it, lets lets put names to know were to it so people know what were talking things like talking about. Its things like klarna later with the klarna or pay later with the number these number eight in it. These services millions of services are used by millions of people. Gocardless people watching this show. Indeed paypal buy now. Pay later paypal is a buy now. Pay later provider the i mean these provider in the uk. I mean these are of people it are millions of people use it and you to your point i didnt quite the figures that quite take in the figures that you giving, but for you were giving, but for millions users, whatever it millions of users, whatever it was, billion, i think its was, 2. 7 billion, i think its about 1 in 8 adult, right . So 2. 7 billion spread across the whole country or 1 8 of us is whole country or1 in 8 of us is not very much money. And the point vast majority of point is that vast majority of that will get cleared off month to month. The reason the businesses carry on is that people out and take people then go out and take another one and they do that because they want to. Let me ask you this, right . Because. I that a because. Yes, i know that a small these people small percentage of these people that like here, it says, you know, looking at some know, were looking at some figures among the figures here. It says among the 19 had used 19 who said that they had used these services to pay for essentials, the items covered include toiletries, include groceries, toiletries, bills so bills and fuel, whatever. So thats less than 20 of the thats like less than 20 of the people, means that 80 people, which means that 80 there are there or thereabouts, these are not poverty , not people that are poverty, poverty stricken people that are trying to buy i dont know , trying to buy i dont know, sausage and for tea or sausage and mash for tea or whatever. Its people that are splurging some cases on splurging in some cases on things they perhaps dont things that they perhaps dont need. The things that need. And one of the things that i worry about is, you i perhaps worry about is, you talk about things like klarna and stuff like a of and stuff like that. A lot of these services are now embedded at online. Like at checkouts online. So like when you shopping, the sales when you go shopping, the sales are on. I love that dress, this dress, the basket it dress, whatever in the basket it goes. Then its almost just goes. And then its almost just like a its like ill whip my card out. Actually, i were card out. Actually, no, i were ill stick it on there and its now just in peoples psyche and it used be that you it used to be james, that you bought once youd bought something once youd saved you could saved up and you could afford it. Now the opposite it. And now its the opposite way around. Its like, i dont need save up. I can just get need to save up. I can just get it now and get all the gratification now and then worry about the cost afterwards. I dont thats very dont think thats a very healthy attitude. Food. Depends. And we well, it depends. And we should that some should be clear that some change. This isnt going deal change. This isnt going to deal with theres with the fact that theres a squeeze in peoples Living Standards people standards and too many people dont standards and too many people dont enough standards and too many people dont enough to get by. And dont have enough to get by. And tweaking around edges tweaking this around the edges isnt make a difference isnt going to make a difference. I but for some, for. And i think but for some, for plenty of people, the ability to buy now and pay later so you dont have to save up for something is one of one of the benefits of having a well working financial system. Well working financial system. But but for some people all they can you know, fall into really bad problems with it, which is why i think some kinds of reforms like make maximum Interest Rates, like you can only have to pay back a certain times the amount that you borrowed. So, you know, if you borrowed. So, you know, if you borrow £100 to get through the week and you end up paying £1,000, clearly thats exploitative and thats bad and that shouldnt exist. But if you that shouldnt exist. But if you want to buy, i dont know your ipad there and you want to pay it over 24 months of instalments rather than all in one go, i mean, thats absolutely fine. So i any we should bring in i think any we should bring in this is a real issue. So policies should be brought in for it, but they should target what problem which what the real problem is, which is be exploited is some people can be exploited and efforts should be put in place to prevent that. No offence, michelle. Not no offence, michelle. Im not so worried about buy now, pay later. More worried about later. Im more worried about you because when say people you because when you say people shouldnt this financial shouldnt do this financial people me that before people have told me that before they do this they shouldnt do this financially, shouldnt financially, they shouldnt do that your entitled that financially. Your entitled to your moral position and indeed think indeed youre entitled to think thats but you thats good advice. But you youre shouldnt in youre not. You shouldnt be in the business telling other the business of telling other people what they can and cant do. And that is far do. And that tendency is far more me. I think more worrying to me. I think people buy now, pay later people get buy now, pay later from would from auntie michelle would do people of good. Thank people a lot of good. Thank goodness youre not government michelle yeah michelle will be the point yeah so im agree to me we agree so im agree so to me we agree i look my audience square in the eye and i always say you are very lucky im not in charge of the country. You are, man. But no, actually, i think a lot more people in society. We do need to people in society. We do need to be told you shouldnt buy that because you havent got the funds to buy it. If you choose to listen to me, then thats up to listen to me, then thats up to you. And if you choose to go, well, still fair, im going to get what i want. Thats also up to you. But the point is, people are entitled to go into debt knowingly and choice. Knowingly and by choice. And indeed, we indeed, in this country, we encourage millions of people to do with the most important do it with the most important investment ever make, which investment they ever make, which is so you is their house. So once you accept principle accept that, thats a principle that people can do, why cant they it for a dress or for they do it for a dress or for whatever it is . So, you know, once down this once you start going down this road telling people they road of telling people what they can do very quickly, can and cant do very quickly, the state will tell us the nanny state will tell us what you can and cant drink, what you can and cant drink, what can and cant smoke, what you can and cant smoke, what you can and cant smoke, what you can and cant smoke, what you should be doing with your and thats your leisure time and thats so youre entitled your friendly youre entitled to your friendly advice, long it advice, michelle, as long as it stops there. Thats a big stretch i think thats a big stretch saying giving people you know, kind financial advice. Kind of financial advice. Because things i because one of the things i think schools, think think at schools, i dont think they financial literacy. They teach financial literacy. Oh, with that. I dont oh, i agree with that. I dont think that a lot of kids you say to people, you want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to petena, you want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buyt to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buy it. Buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buy it. Dont your ten dresses, buy it. Dont listen to michelle. But i would actually that a lot actually say that a lot of people understand actually say that a lot of people things understand actually say that a lot of people things compound d simple things like compound interest and things. They dont really know what theyre getting into. Buy knowing that youre buy it knowing that youre going more for in the end going to pay more for in the end than have if than you would have done if youd up but you youd paid up front. But you know the majority of know what . The majority of people in this country who are either house or to either house owners or aspire to be go situation be willingly go into a situation where they pay tens of thousands of pounds more for the house that they get because need of pounds more for the house timortgageet because need of pounds more for the house timortgageet becaand, need of pounds more for the house timortgageet becaand, you need a mortgage for it. And, you know, thats the predicate in know, if thats the predicate in which our system is built, it feels in the end feels rather hollow in the end to get overly excited about buy now, later. Yeah, you now, pay later. Yeah, but you know, you think to know, what do you guys think to this home . This at home . Its one thing stretching yourself and getting into debt for home to live in, for a home to live in, stretching yourself and getting into debt so that you can look like the latest daft kardashian or whatever is again, free or whatever it is again, free society. Do what you karen society. Do what you want. Karen says. Never buy pay says. Never mind, buy now, pay later say, why arent you later you say, why arent you looking rates that the looking at the rates that the banks on of banks are charging on some of their credit facilities, credit cards rest it . Cards and all the rest of it . Jim says the problem with doing credit checks that credit checks is that if you pass you need the buy pass it, you wont need the buy now, pay later deal. Its only the people that cant afford those kind of things. And that wouldnt that wouldnt pass the checks that actually the money the actually need the money in the first alex says that first place. Alex says that these companies are parasites and allowed and they shouldnt be allowed to operate its of the operate. Its the job of the government , alex says, to government, alex says, to protect its citizens from such exploitation. Yes, alex, agree exploitation. Yes, alex, agree with that. Is your mother and your father . There was one point there that i thought was was interesting, though. So lets make a comparison. I dont object. I support policy of object. I support the policy of tuition fees. I dont think the people who go to people who dont go to university have to university should have to subsidise heavily. Subsidise quite so heavily. Those i dont object those who do. And i dont object to student loans. What i objected to the loan objected to in the student loan environment they environment was the rate they whacked i thought whacked on the book. I thought that was i object that was unfair. I dont object to entering into buy now, to people entering into buy now, pay to people entering into buy now, pay later. What i object to is some of interests that are some of the interests that are imposed lack of imposed and peoples lack of understanding about what theyre signing understanding about what theyre sig|well, there you go. Good well, there you go. Good advice there from alex. Lets take look, shall we, at the weather. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Todays showers ease overnight clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday. Some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes storm. Agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday as that arrives before that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. Some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the east and south of england. Thats where well see some mist patches by dawn, patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the double figures in many spots. First thing weve got some showers moving into central southern england. They push into southern england. They push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the south east by mid morning. The south east by mid morning. Perhaps the odd rumble of Thunder Associated with these. Weve spell of more weve got a spell of more persistent through persistent rain moving through northern into much of Northern Ireland into much of scotland south of that scotland to the south of that showers wales in the showers into wales in the southwest. But in between the southwest. 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I cant decide what to wear these days. You know what . Autumn clothes. Im back in summer clothes. What is going on . Nina says. Can someone tell michelle she should not be telling people what they can and cant do. Its just arrogance. And its not her business. What people do with their money. Will they go . That told , you know you pay told me, you know what, you pay some for financial some people for financial advice. Im giving it to you for free anyway. You do with your money what you want. Theres a lot your way. Dont lot coming your way. Dont go anywhere. I want talk to you anywhere. I want to talk to you about you know about lampedusa. Do you know what is an island what that is . It is an island off. And i can tell you off italy. And i can tell you what is going on there is absolutely eye watering i also want to talk to you about inherited tax. Are you gb news radio. Gb news radio. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Consultant alex deane and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, James Schneider is alongside you. Ive upset you all tonight. Everyones agreeing with you, saying that she with you, don, saying that she uses paypal and things quite a few times to replace household items, etcetera. What has it got to do with you, michel . What to do with you, michel . What i do with my money. You know what . Im never going to mention it ever again. Do what you want with your cash. Go do what you want. I dont care. I dont care. I dont care. I dont know. Buy me a new dress. If youre into all your shopping, buy, buy more. Whatever classes i was brought up that if you cant afford something, you dont have it. And why still like and thats why i still like cash. I believe that more cash. And i believe that more people cash. Darren people should use cash. Darren says pay later is says buy now, pay later is great, the pay the great, but the key is pay the balance off when it is due. And if not, you can get yourself into trouble. Dont start telling financial telling people financial advice, darren. Anyway. Darren. Theyll have you anyway. Lets about lampedusa, lets talk about lampedusa, shall it is, in case youre shall we . It is, in case youre not familiar with it. And who would the way, perhaps would be, by the way, perhaps until recently, its small until recently, its a small island the of sicily. Island off the coast of sicily. I think actually , ive got i think actually, ive got a little map that can bring up little map that i can bring up on the screen and just show you just to give you little bit just to give you a little bit more context. There you go. Everybody, anywhere. 11,000 migrants have landed on their shores past week alone. Shores in the past week alone. Mark white is actually there and joins me live now. Good evening to you , mark white. Bring us up to you, mark white. Bring us up to you, mark white. Bring us up to speed briefly on whats been going on in the last kind of few days or so over there. Well this days or so over there. Well this island with a population of 6000 permanent residents has found itself overwhelmed by that surge in migrant numbers who arriving here in recent weeks , it has here in recent weeks, it has been as you said, 11,000 just in the past ten days, but actually 62,000 have arrived here ever since the 1st of june and across these other islands. And on the italian mainland. Those those whove crossed from the mediterranean totals so far, 130,000. Italy says that by the end of the year, they expect the number of migrants to have crossed the mediterranean into italy to be 200,000. So they are deaung italy to be 200,000. So they are dealing with a very significant issue , but they are also in issue, but they are also in dispute with a number of European Countries in terms of burden sharing and whether france and germany will actually reverse its current policy of not taking those arriving in the likes of lampedusa. Likes of lampedusa. Yeah, i was literally just about to ask you about the eu response because there is a bit of criticism here about whether or not these people should be widely distributed, if you like. Not just the eu, beyond. Not just within the eu, beyond. And how do you think that will actually end . Actually end . Well , all actually end . Well, all it is the European Unions goal to have a proper burden sharing process in place so that each of the countries take a share of those who are arriving into the European Union, but its just not working out as planned. There are certain countries that just dont want to take a certain share of migrant and others who believe theyll actually , believe theyll actually, because of their geographical position , the likes of italy, position, the likes of italy, greece and spain , in that they greece and spain, in that they have many migrants who land on their shores and they want other countries in europe to burden, share better. Countries in europe to burden, share better. Its countries in europe to burden, share better. Its all countries in europe to burden, share better. Its all a bit of a headache for the European Union and its also testing the likes of the schengen agreement, which of course allows free travel across European Union borders. But in some countries its far from free at the moment. Youve got france now putting on border checks between italy and france to stop, to stop those migrants who are getting into italy proper. Then from crossing into france, youve got austria putting up border checks as well. Germany to. So it is a significant issue going forward. What the European Union does really to try to ensure that both shannon and the burden sharing agreement works properly , because at the moment properly, because at the moment it certainly isnt. It certainly isnt. And just very brief, it certainly isnt. And just very brief , final and just very brief, final question to you. Youre there , question to you. Youre there, youre on the ground. What are the locals make to all this. The locals make to all this. Well, i mean , there are some well, i mean, there are some that, you know, have sympathy for those that are crossing from often wretched conditions in their own countries. But many people here, i think, are very concerned at the huge surge on such a small island and their ability to cope with that. And, ability to cope with that. And, you know, viewers in the uk might be watching and really seeing why is this something we should care about . But actually, it is because history tells us that those that arrive in europe on europes southern borders or eastern borders or whichever route they take into europe, often then find themselves heading to the north west shores of france with a view to trying to get across the english to channel the uk. So it affects all of europe and it certainly affects the uk as well. Interest getting stuff. Thats mark white there live from lampedusa. I mean , i hear from lampedusa. I mean, i hear all that and all these travels that people are going on, i cant understand how on earth they financing all of this, all of these different stops because theyre not staying in one theyre not staying put in one place. Theyre a lot of place. Theyre paying a lot of people, i suspect, to take them a lot of different places. But anyway, you of it all . Well, this has been an issue for the italians for more than a decade. And as your map helpfully reminded us, the little south of little dot that was south of sicily map is malta. So sicily on your map is malta. So lampard well, them lampard user is well, bring them up, up while were talking up, back up while were talking about well to the south west of malta, you know, its very close to tunisian, much closer to to the tunisian, much closer to the than the rest the tunisian coast than the rest of but nevertheless, of italy. But nevertheless, its part italy once youre part of italy and once youre there, you are in italy. And the big italians, there, you are in italy. And the big know, italians, there, you are in italy. And the big know, 10,000 italians, there, you are in italy. And the big know, 10,000 initalians, there, you are in italy. And the big know, 10,000 in 10 ians, there, you are in italy. And the big know, 10,000 in 10 days, you know, 10,000 in 10 days, popular nation of lampedusa is Something Like 6000 6500. Right. So youre talking culture so youre talking about culture changing huge numbers of people in people in one go. The people whove been disappointed the been most disappointed at the current time, apart from those who lampedusa itself, who live on lampedusa itself, will be those voted for will be those who voted for george because she george and maloney because she said was going to said that she was going to change all of this when she came into office. Quite plainly, into office. And quite plainly, she hasnt. Shes talking. And shes also talking. So if she i quote that, and shes also talking. So if she going i quote that, and shes also talking. So if she going on quote that, and shes also talking. So if she going on there that, and shes also talking. So if she going on there isat, and shes also talking. So if she going on there is an act whats going on there is an act of war. And she also calls it an invasion. Its language like that. Helpful . No, not at all. And you know, saying a war, an saying that this is a war, an invasion, of that doesnt do invasion, all of that doesnt do anything to deal with the fact that that are that there are people that are fleeing the conditions in which they living and the answer they are living and the answer is, as mark white was just just saying, more cooperation between the eu states in order to take a process which is currently out of control and unmanaged and dangerous for many of the people taking part in it to one which has is has more coordination and more management and more control. And therefore it can be more more humane. What does the coordination take you to in the end if it just means that lots of European Countries, some of whom have already theyre willing already said theyre not willing to hungary or poland, already said theyre not willing to know, hungary or poland, already said theyre not willing to know, does gary or poland, already said theyre not willing to know, does this or poland, already said theyre not willing to know, does this mean. And, already said theyre not willing to know, does this mean taking you know, does this mean taking more migrants moving more migrants and moving them around . The that around . Because in the end, that encourages come encourages more people to come via dangerous routes via the deeply dangerous routes that michelles been talking about . Well, it depends how you how you it. And i also think that you do it. And i also think that the policies should be put in place places that are place to make places that are currently people are forced to flee have to not have flee from not have to not have to flee from. So, you know, we shouldnt go around invading bombing libya, for example, like we did ten years ago because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardlyzars ago because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. Because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. Andiuse bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. And yes, thats hardly helped. And yes, there do to be safe routes there do need to be safe routes from big transit hubs in tunisia and libya and so on, and to bnng and libya and so on, and to bring some management of the of the system under under control. Now for the eu , thats going to now for the eu, thats going to be extremely difficult because as were seeing the rise of these tough. Talking know doing these tough. Talking know doing leaders like giorgia meloni, who will scapegoat, but they they cant do anything wrong. Yeah. I mean, ive got to say as well, you tell me what you think language because think to that language because there will be some people watching that that just see the kind of boats there. Kind of hordes of boats there. You 11,000 in you hear numbers like 11,000 in a theyre starting. A week when theyre starting. Population was only six. They got pretty much double that coming over top of those coming over on top of those numbers the space week. Numbers in the space of a week. Some people watching will some people watching that will say do that say actually they do think that language is accurate and they would praise those people for using language but again, would praise those people for usdivides language but again, would praise those people for usdivides opinionsie but again, would praise those people for usdivides opinions wheret again, would praise those people for usdivides opinions where are ain, it divides opinions where are you on that . And inheritance tax after the break. Should we scrap it . You tell me. Hello there. Welcome back to dewbs co. Lots of you guys are getting in touch about the situation in lampedusa , john, situation in lampedusa, john, saying that these countries have to draw a line somewhere as to how many people you can ask. How many people you can ask. Wept for many countries, though he says at that point as long been passed. Well, thats what were talking about. Theres quite a row brewing at the moment as to where these people go and who should take how many. One of my viewers say lots of those will en route to those people will be en route to the and will here by the uk and will be here by christmas. Keep your thoughts christmas. Keep your thoughts coming in. But i want talk to coming in. But i want to talk to you inheritance tax. Now, you about inheritance tax. Now, this is an issue, isnt it, which a lot of which does divide a lot of people. I wonder where do people. And i wonder where do you it home, because you sit on it at home, because we around these houses we do go around these houses quite a lot of time and we seem to do a lot of talking about inheritance tax. But actually, i think only about 4 there think its only about 4 there or thereabouts , give of or thereabouts, give or take, of the estates that will actually pay the estates that will actually pay it. Lot of money, 40. Pay it. Its a lot of money, 40. Where do you stand on it . So it definitely shouldnt be scrapped. But i would reform it scrapped. But i would reform it because i think it clearly has a communication problem. Theres Something Like 31 people Something Like 31 of people think theyre to be think that theyre going to be impacted it, but yet it only impacted by it, but yet it only affects for less than 4 of estates. So the change that i would make is exempt. The family would make is exempt. The family home up to a certain value just levy the value. Sorry, what value . Im not sure we can debate that, but up to a certain a high value up to a high, you know, 2 million or something, a big, you know, a high value and well, hold on, wait. And then tax the recipient in the same way theyd be taxed their income tax. So youre not taxing the estate, youre taxing the recipient of the of the gift from from the estate. And you from from the estate. And you know, that should be that should be a reform which doesnt reduce the amount of money thats taken in. So i think its a bit laughable that rishi sunak can do a tax cut that might save his family. Something like £300 million seems is really not the right priority. If you wanted to do a tax cut that would benefit most people, you should look at cutting the basic rate of income tax or vat or Something Like that, which which would help the overwhelming majority of people , not something which, as you said, you know, fewer said, impacts, you know, fewer than 4. In favour of all of the im in favour of all of the tax cuts that james just mentioned, and id like some more as well. I think that inheritance is wrong in inheritance tax is wrong in principle. A tax on thrift. Principle. Its a tax on thrift. Its its a tax on saving. Its a its a tax on saving. Its a its a tax on saving. Its a its a tax on saving. Its a tax on attempting to provide childrens provide for your childrens future. A tax on income future. And its a tax on income that which youve already paid tax if youve bought tax. And if youve bought Something Like house, paid Something Like a house, you paid tax income, then you pay tax on your income, then you pay tax on your income, then you pay tax in stamp duty. When you buy the house, and then its taxed a third time when you have the rudeness, the rudeness of dying. Its a tax on death. And finally, its a its a tax. When you try pass something on you try and pass something on rather splurge and spend it rather than splurge and spend it on yourself, its a tax on your love of children. And your love of your children. And your desire their desire to provide for their future. I dont care if it appues future. I dont care if it applies to one person, let alone 4 of population. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4 principle. pulation. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va inciple. pulation. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had,. E. pulation. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, im ulation. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, im sure on. Its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, im sure for its wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, im sure for i s wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, im sure for i thinking i had, im sure for i think it was a tory, but i might have got that wrong. I heard it in passing in an interview this morning. She was saying it was a bafic morning. She was saying it was a basic instinct want basic human instinct to want to pass on your property. Is it . Do you know who it was that said that . I dont know. But thats true i so. So. So. So lets separate out. Separate out very different types of things. So most people sitting home thinking in the sitting at home thinking in the emotive language that alex was alex is rightly used very, very effectively. Theyre thinking, effectively. Theyre thinking, oh, ive worked hard, ive saved, ive got a normal house, ive got a little bit of money here. And they actually fall underneath the threshold. What were talking about here is a tax that should be applied to, for example , duke for example, the duke of wellington. He inherits wellington. When he inherits billions and billions. You know, thats the thrift of his thats not the thrift of his forefathers who have been encouraged with savings. And theyve worked hard and its their family home and blah, blah, blah. And you can obviously design a tax which deals with the massive amounts of unnecessarily inherited large wealth that doesnt in any way impact the overwhelming majority of people. So i dont want to see inheritance tax scrapped. I see inheritance tax scrapped. I would reform it in the way that i suggested. So its less about taxing estates when people die and more about taxing large gifts that people that people receive. Yeah, i mean, just to give you some context here, i mean, the average house price in this country is apparently £288,000. And the threshold for inheritance tax is eur 325. You do get an extra i think its one seven, 175,000 for your home. If you then giving it to your kids. And of course, if youre a married couple, you can double you can sandwich that amount. And actually so therefore, most family home, they go, ive got it on the screen and most it up on the screen and most family homes therefore will be exempt. Happens weve exempt. What happens as weve just upon, is its just been touching upon, is its the wealthy people the very, very wealthy people that all of these different that have all of these different structures in place that can stick assets wherever you stick their assets wherever you try context the other way around, the majority detached around, the majority of detached homes country would homes in this country would be above the threshold that youve set and couples have and many couples dont have the foresight to plan their deaths conveniently for tax purposes. So quite often you get double death duty quite quickly in a row where very often one partner dies very quickly after the death of their lifelong partner in the end, this is when you start thinking about these things. Itsjust you start thinking about these things. Its just a tax on families trying to provide for one another. James was saying i was rhetoric. Well, the was using rhetoric. Well, the rhetoric that he very rhetoric that he used very reasonably is kind of thing reasonably is the kind of thing that the destruction of all that saw the destruction of all of the great families in england after the Second World War introduced terms introduced on reasonable terms and then punitive taxes to and then used punitive taxes to ensure that a whole swathe of very nice houses are now run by the National Trust. The National Trust. Whats wrong with the National Trust . Well , they you open up well, they you open up a whole different set of discussions about their position on transgender rights and archaeology. Archaeology. Draghi the basic principle that some of our shared inheritance , big country houses inheritance, big country houses or whatever , we can go and walk or whatever, we can go and walk around their gardens and walk around. That seems fine. I meant that the precisely the same precisely the same rhetoric that you used, sounded very you used, which sounded very reasonable, used reasonable, was effectively used to entire class of to destroy an entire class of private in britain private wealth in Great Britain and you keep at it and youll have another one. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. That is an interesting question. Whats wrong with the National Trust . Think National Trust . I think well have perhaps have that conversation perhaps another time doesnt another day time flies, doesnt it, having fun. But it, when you are having fun. But for now, thats all ive got time for. Dont go anywhere, richard tice is in for nigel farage, but , gents, for now, farage, but, gents, for now, thank you. Have a good night. The temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast east. Todays showers ease overnight. Clear spells to come , but clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday. Some of that once again tuesday. Some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes storm. Agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday that before wednesday as that arrives before that, will be a breezy night, that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. Some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the south of england. The east and south of england. Thats well see some thats where well see some mist patches form by but patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the double figures in many spots. Further thing, weve got some showers moving into central southern england. They push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the southeast by mid morning. The southeast by mid morning. Perhaps the odd rumble of Thunder Associated with these. Weve a spell of more weve got a spell of more persistent rain moving through Northern Ireland much of Northern Ireland into much of scotland the south of scotland and to the south of that into the that showers into wales in the southwest. But between the southwest. But in between the showers, sunshine showers, some sunshine and the sun once again in the sun comes out. Once again in the southeast temperatures here southeast with temperatures here of celsius average of 23 celsius average temperatures towards the northwest will stay northwest where it will stay windy the of gales in windy with the risk of gales in the those winds ease the far north. Those winds ease by start of wednesday with by the start of wednesday with some Early Morning sunshine for many. But storm agnes is winding itself up in the atlantic and thats going to bring a spell of wet and windy weather during wednesday afternoon and evening. Risk of widespread gales, especially around sea especially around irish sea coasts theres chance coasts, where theres the chance of significant disruption. On wednesday and evening