Transcripts For GBN Calvins 20240706

The duel, my panellists will be discussing , should we have had discussing, should we have had a multi faith coronation or not. 7 emma webb what are your thoughts . Briefly arnie i think its thoughts . Briefly arnie i think ns fine thoughts . Briefly arnie i think ns fine to thoughts . Briefly arnie i think its fine to include g arnie i think its fine to include people from mum. Its fine to include people from multiple faith its fine to include people from multiple faith backgrounds in the coronation multiple faith backgrounds in the coronation but i think its important the coronation but i think its inoononn no the coronation but i think its important to retain the innognny important to retain the innognny on important to retain the integrity of it as a christian ceremony, particularly in this one ceremony, particularly in this case the protestant succession. Case the protestant succession. Non case the protestant succession. Inn and case the protestant succession. Inn and nigel case the protestant succession. Ian and nigel nelson case the protestant succession. Ian and nigel nelson i case the protestant succession. Ian and nigel nelson i would just quote David Starkey in his excellent gb news commentary on the coronation today when he said it was a protestant coronation but for a multi faith nonon coronation but for a multi faith nonon. Coronation but for a multi faith nonon. Ano coronation but for a multi faith nonon. Ann. Coronation but for a multi faith nation. And i think in but for a multi faith nation. And i think thats the nation. And i think thats the non nation. And i think thats the non wav nation. And i think thats the non way no nation. And i think thats the right way and thats what it snow right way and thats what it ononoo no, right way and thats what it should be, a right way and thats what it should be, a David Starkey of all should be, a David Starkey of on people. Should be, a David Starkey of all people. Well, should be, a David Starkey of all people. Ronni oz; should be, a David Starkey of all people. Ronni all people. Well, before that, heres the news with bethany elsey. Heres the news with bethany elsey. Good heres the news with bethany elsey. Good evening. Heres the news with bethany elsey. Good evening. Im bethany nosey elsey. Good evening. Im bethany nosey nnn elsey. Good evening. Im bethany nosey mm o elsey. Good evening. Im bethany elsey with a look elsey. Good evening. Im bethany elsey with a look at good evening. Im bethany elsey with a look at the nngnngnno elsey with a look at the highlights from today. At 7 00pm highlights from today. At 7 00pm a highlights from today. At 7 00pm. A moment of history for commonwealth 7 00pm. A moment of history for commonwealth and country is king monon commonwealth and country is king cnonoo. Nno commonwealth and country is king charles. The third commonwealth and country is king charles. The third is commonwealth and country is king charles. The third is crowned one charles. The third is crowned one notiono charles. The third is crowned the nations monarch as the ononnnnon the nations monarch as the archbishop of the nations monarch as the archbishop of canterbury placed st archbishop of canterbury placed so onwards archbishop of canterbury placed st Edwards Crown archbishop of canterbury placed st Edwards Crown on his nannyo st Edwards Crown on his majestys head. There were ooonon majestys head. There were ooonn on majestys head. There were cheers of god majestys head. There were cheers of god save the king. King cheers of god save the king. King cnonoo cheers of god save the king. King charles became the 40th nnononon king charles became the 40th nononn oo king charles became the 40th monarch to be king charles became the 40th monarch to be crowned at westminster monarch to be crowned at Westminster Abbey in the first coronation Westminster Abbey in the first coronation to Westminster Abbey in the first coronation to be Westminster Abbey in the first coronation to be held there for seven decades. Coronation to be held there for seven decades. Although hes noon seven decades. Although hes noon king seven decades. Although hes noon king for seven decades. Although hes been king for eight months now. Today been king for eight months now. Today no been king for eight months now. Noooy no now been king for eight months now. Today he truly wears the crown following today he truly wears the crown following ono today he truly wears the crown following the death of his noonon following the death of his mother, the following the death of his mother, the late Queen Elizabeth ii mother, the late Queen Elizabeth. In mother, the late Queen Elizabeth ii in september mother, the late Queen Elizabeth ii in september. Mother, the late Queen Elizabeth ii in september. Immediately anon ii in september. Immediately no no ii in september. Immediately after the king, ii in september. Immediately after the king, Queen Camilla, was anointed after the king, Queen Camilla, was anointed and after the king, Queen Camilla, was anointed and crowned with onoon was anointed and crowned with onoon nono was anointed and crowned with queen marys crown by the ononnonoo queen marys crown by the archbishop of queen marys crown by the archbishop of canterbury. King archbishop of canterbury. King cnonoo, archbishop of canterbury. King cnonoo, ano archbishop of canterbury. King charles, and Queen Camilla have ooooonoo charles, and Queen Camilla have ooooonoo on charles, and Queen Camilla have ooooonoo on no charles, and Queen Camilla have appeared on the balcony of nnonngnon appeared on the balcony of Buckingham Palace to thank the ononoonoo Buckingham Palace to thank the thousands whod Buckingham Palace to thank the thousands whod gathered to pay nnon thousands whod gathered to pay onon nooooono thousands whod gathered to pay their respects to thousands whod gathered to pay their respects to the new monarchs. Nno monarchs. The king and monarchs. The king and queen were welcomed by no the king and queen were welcomed by no conso the king and queen were welcomed by the crowds who the king and queen were welcomed by the crowds who cheered in celebration. By the crowds who cheered in celebration. They by the crowds who cheered in celebration. They were joined by the celebration. They were joined by ono nonco celebration. They were joined by the prince and celebration. They were joined by the prince and princess of wales no the prince and princess of wales and non the prince and princess of wales and their three the prince and princess of wales and their three children, ninoooo and their three children, princess charlotte, seen there in no princess charlotte, seen there in no nono princess charlotte, seen there in the front, waving to well wishers. Two of the kings onnnoo well wishers. Two of the kings siblings, princess well wishers. Two of the kings siblings, Princess Anne and nonco siblings, Princess Anne and prince edward, siblings, Princess Anne and prince edward, also came out to onooo prince edward, also came out to gnoon onooonono prince edward, also came out to gnoon onooonon. Prince edward, also came out to greet supporters. Due to the bad greet supporters. Due to the bad nooonon greet supporters. Due to the bad nooonon o greet supporters. Due to the bad weather, a scaled greet supporters. Due to the bad weather, a scaled back fly past of weather, a scaled back fly past on royal weather, a scaled back fly past on royal an weather, a scaled back fly past of Royal Air Force weather, a scaled back fly past of Royal Air Force jets, including of Royal Air Force jets, including the famous red arrows, non including the famous red arrows, non ovon including the famous red arrows, non ono including the famous red arrows, flew over the crowds that filled the flew over the crowds that filled ono nou flew over the crowds that filled no man and flew over the crowds that filled the mall and over flew over the crowds that filled the mall and over the nations king. The mall and over the nations king. Nno the mall and over the nations new king. The armed forces oooooo new king. The armed forces onogoo ono new king. The armed forces staged the largest ceremonial military staged the largest ceremonial military operation since the [no military operation since the late queens military operation since the late queens coronation in 1953. For late queens coronation in 1953. Nor ononoono late queens coronation in 1953. For thousand servicemen and took for thousand servicemen and women took part for thousand servicemen and women took part in a parade that onooonoo women took part in a parade that onooonoo o women took part in a parade that stretched a mile women took part in a parade that stretched a mile long, including the household stretched a mile long, including the household cavalry. The oovononono the household cavalry. The sovereigns bodyguard and the royal sovereigns bodyguard and the royal watermen. Sovereigns bodyguard and the royal watermen. The military oonooo royal watermen. The military oonooo noo royal watermen. The military parade also featured troops from nonono parade also featured troops from nations across the parade also featured troops from nations across the commonwealth and no nations across the commonwealth and the british nations across the commonwealth and the British Overseas Territories and the British Overseas Territories. And the British Overseas Territories. And in typical territories. And in typical nnnon territories. And in typical british weather , there was heavy british weather, there was heavy rain british weather, there was heavy noo british weather, there was heavy out not british weather, there was heavy rain, but that failed to dampen the enthusiasm rain, but that failed to dampen the enthusiasm of the crowds nnoo the enthusiasm of the crowds whod gathered, the enthusiasm of the crowds whod gathered, hoping to catch a whod gathered, hoping to catch o gnnooo whod gathered, hoping to catch o gunpoo on whod gathered, hoping to catch a glimpse of the whod gathered, hoping to catch a glimpse of the king and queen. All a glimpse of the king and queen. Au onooooonon a glimpse of the king and queen. All procession viewing areas nong all procession viewing areas along ono all procession viewing areas along the route all procession viewing areas along the route were filled to capacity along the route were filled to ooooony. Along the route were filled to ooooony. Nono along the route were filled to capacity. Fans cheered charles capacity. Fans cheered charles ano capacity. Fans cheered charles and commo capacity. Fans cheered charles and camilla as capacity. Fans cheered charles and camilla as they travelled donn and camilla as they travelled down no and camilla as they travelled down the mall and camilla as they travelled down the mall in and camilla as they travelled down the mall in the gold state oooon down the mall in the gold state oooon onion down the mall in the gold state coach, which is down the mall in the gold state coach, which is over 260 years om coach, which is over 260 years on no coach, which is over 260 years old and noo coach, which is over 260 years old and has been coach, which is over 260 years old and has been used at every corononon old and has been used at every coronation since old and has been used at every coronation since 1831. We spoke to sono coronation since 1831. We spoke to on coronation since 1831. We spoke to some of the coronation since 1831. We spoke to some of the 10,000 people who onnnoo to some of the 10,000 people who onnnoo no to some of the 10,000 people who onnnoo no. To some of the 10,000 people who turned up. Amazing. To some of the 10,000 people who turned up. g turned up. Amazing. Just absolutely amazing. Yeah. Just congratulations to the to the king and Queen Camilla unbelievable. Very wet, but tiring. But what a spectacle. Nobody tiring. But what a spectacle. Nonooy oooo tiring. But what a spectacle. Nobody else can tiring. But what a spectacle. Nobody else can do c g but what a spectacle. Nobody else can do it better man nobody else can do it better onon no nobody else can do it better onon con nobody else can do it better than us, can they . M; nobody else can do it better than us, can they . � fo� nz; nonzflz c than us, can they . We werent expecting to see them on the balcony. We didnt think that we would get that close because we were quite far back. So yeah, its just good day to be its just a good day to be british. We loved it. It was nonoonnn british. We loved it. It was wonderful. If british. We loved it. It was wonderful. If it c we loved it. It was wonderful. If it wasnt so wet, ood wonderful. If it wasnt so wet, ooo oovo wonderful. If it wasnt so wet, ooo sowking, wonderful. If it wasnt so wet, god save king, god save the god save the king, god save the king. God save the king, god save the king. Eon god save the king, god save the king. Ooo snoo god save the king, god save the king. God save the god save the king, god save the king. Cinzzn g king. God save the king well, just hours before the coronation, Police Arrested the leader of anti Monarchy Group republic, along with 52 others lining the procession route. Repubuc lining the procession route. Republic had previously promised to ooogo republic had previously promised to ooooo ono republic had previously promised to stage the biggest protest against to stage the biggest protest against o to stage the biggest protest against a british monarch in ooon against a british monarch in modern history. Against a british monarch in modern history. Acting fascists onooooo modern history. Acting fascists onooooo in modern history. Acting fascists dressed in yellow modern history. Acting fascists dressed in yellow t shirts oononooo dressed in yellow t shirts demanded an dressed in yellow t shirts demanded an elected head of ooooo demanded an elected head of onono ano demanded an elected head of state and said demanded an elected head of state and said the royal family has state and said the royal family no no state and said the royal family no no place state and said the royal family has no place in state and said the royal family has no place in modern constitutional has no place in modern constitutional democracy. A nnnon constitutional democracy. A nnnnon on constitutional democracy. A number of just constitutional democracy. A number of Just Stop Oil pronoooono number of Just Stop Oil protesters were also detained. Yono protesters were also detained. Yono no protesters were also detained. Yono no oo protesters were also detained. Youre up to date protesters were also detained. Youre up to date on gb news now its youre up to date on gb news now no nook youre up to date on gb news now no book no youre up to date on gb news now its back to calvin youre up to date on gb news now its back to calvin. Its back to calvin. Nno its back to calvin. The church its back to calvin. The church of england didnt begin the church of england didnt begin in the church of england didnt begin in noo the church of england didnt begin in 1570 when queen onzonoon begin in 1570 when Queen Elizabeth, the begin in 1570 when Queen Elizabeth, the first was oxoonooo, elizabeth, the first was executed, dictated by pope pius the executed, dictated by pope pius ono noon. Executed, dictated by pope pius ono nnn. Executed, dictated by pope pius the fifth. Nor executed, dictated by pope pius the fifth. Nor did executed, dictated by pope pius the fifth. Nor did it executed, dictated by pope pius the fifth. W 2 2 c inning the fifth. Nor did it begin in 1534 when henry vii renounced papal authority. The church of england didnt even begin in 597 when Saint Augustine was sent on a mission by pope gregory, the first to become the first archbishop of canterbury. Theres evidence of christianity in england as far back as the third century, with english bishops being on record as present at the council of arles in gaul. Now the south of france and again in 349 at the council of ariminum in umbria, which is now rimini in italy. Its arguable that christians were worshipping in england for centuries before roman authorities turned up. And even then it took a while for things to become centralised. We have to become centralised. We have always had a distinct tradition. The celtic expression of the faith with the irish and the scots both having strong traditions , eventually melding traditions, eventually melding with roman catholicism as aethelberht became the First Christian king of england , Christian King of england, reigning between five, eight, nine and 616 ad and we have been a Christian Country ever since. A Christian Country ever since. Thats 1434 years of christendom and dozens of christian coronations. This is why the coronations. This is why the coronation of king charles as a decidedly Christian Service is so important. It not only is one so important. It not only is one of the oldest english traditions, its one of the oldest traditions in the world. Thats something we can be proud of in a time when so many seem embarrassed to be english. This is a moment of unity in celebration of our shared heritage. Farage. There will be heritage. Farage. There will be those who want to denigrate todays events and bring down our but we must not let our mood. But we must not let them. After all, the division over brexit lockdowns and vaccines, its high time we had something positive to bring us together. Let this be that event together. Let this be that event. Know the king is not perfect. Know the king is not perfect. Yes, hes a globalist, obsessed with the green agenda with some dodgy friends. But we do not get to pick and choose our kings. Its not charles. The third we celebrate today. Its the office of the king. The symbol of the crown that represents our sovereignty. We have been spoilt for the past 70 years having one of the most wonderful monarchs this country has ever seen with Queen Elizabeth, the great charles is is no qe2. Hes not the best, but hes certainly not the best, but hes certainly not the worst king weve ever had ehhen the worst king weve ever had either. Lets not make it out to be worse than it is. This is about england and everything great about her traditions great about her, her traditions is her faith, her great history, long live the king. God bless england. England. There was much talk about the coronation taking on board multi faith aspects to appeal to a more diverse britain. When the a more diverse britain. When the king was handed items of regalia by multi faith peers, there was a contemporary gospel choir, and the king paused. At the end of his exit procession to greet faith leaders of different faiths. Was this appropriately done . Was it necessary . Well, its done . Was it necessary . Well, wsfime done . Was it necessary . Well, its time for the jewel. Joining its time for the jewel. Joining me now to debate this on my sidekick, emma webb, and this weeks nemesis, senior Political Correspondent for gb news, nigel nelson. I havent called you that before. Congratulations on the new role, relatively new role. Nigel, we argued about role. Nigel, we argued about this a couple of weeks ago saying, i was saying maybe this shouldnt think you shouldnt be done. I think you were a bit more liberal. Were arguing a bit more liberal. How effectively . Did how was it done effectively . Did you you wanted to see . You see what you wanted to see . Yes, and i thought it was yes, i did. And i thought it was dono yes, i did. And i thought it was oononou yes, i did. And i thought it was oononou. Yes, i did. And i thought it was done well. It yes, i did. And i thought it was done well. It was. Yes, i did. And i thought it was. Done well. It was very done extremely well. It was very low done extremely well. It was very ion koy. Done extremely well. It was very ion noyono done extremely well. It was very low key. The important thing low key. And the important thing all low key. And the important thing oilnoo low key. And the important thing oilwoo onoo low key. And the important thing allwas thatlwas all along was that it was a noooooono all along was that it was a protestant service, as the onion protestant service, as the british constitution demands for our british constitution demands for nood british constitution demands for nooo of british constitution demands for our head of state british constitution demands for our head of state and the multi faith our head of state and the multi faith aspect was gently son multi faith aspect was gently son of multi faith aspect was gently sort of slotted multi faith aspect was gently sort of slotted in. Multi faith aspect was gently sort of slotted in. I have to say sort of slotted in. I have to say i sort of slotted in. I have to ooy i woo sort of slotted in. I have to ooy i o sort of slotted in. I have to say i was a bit sort of slotted in. I have to say i was a bit surprised by of say i was a bit surprised by of no say i was a bit surprised by some of the wording about the about some of the wording about the about catholicism some of the wording about the about catholicism that came up in no about catholicism that came up in no actual about catholicism that came up in the actual in about catholicism that came up in the actual in the actual oonioo in the actual in the actual oonioo. In the actual in the actual service. But in the actual in the actual service. But the idea of talking service. But the idea of talking about service. But the idea of talking about o service. But the idea of talking about a multi faith britain novtng about a multi faith britain having representatives of that tnoto having representatives of that tnoto ont having representatives of that there and pledging their ottogtonoo there and pledging their allegiance , there and pledging their allegiance , giving their allegiance, giving their btoootno allegiance, giving their blessing, that seems to me what you onoutt blessing, that seems to me what you onoutt bo blessing, that seems to me what you should be doing in 2023. Okay. You should be doing in 2023. Okay, emma. You should be doing in 2023. Okay, tnno. To you should be doing in 2023. Okay, emma, is it you should be doing in 2023. Okay, emma, is it ever okay, emma, is it ever appropriate for a Christian Service to be multi faith . Service to be multi faith . Well, i think it depends on tbto well, i think it depends on this. Sounds well, i think it depends on this. Sounds like im equivocating. I dont mean to be, equivocating. I dont mean to bo, but equivocating. I dont mean to bo, but. Equivocating. I dont mean to be, but i think equivocating. I dont mean to be, but i think it equivocating. I dont mean to be, but i think it depends. I never equivocate. I think it tooonto never equivocate. I think it tobonto. Never equivocate. I think it depends. I never equivocate. I tntnt depends. I never equivocate. I tntnt tt depends. I never equivocate. I think it depends depends. I never equivocate. I think it depends on what you by think it depends on what you by not, think it depends on what you mean by that, because i think the mean by that, because i think tno oony mean by that, because i think the ceremony today actually wotbot the ceremony today actually nottot outto the ceremony today actually walked quite a the ceremony today actually walked quite a fine line and i tntnb walked quite a fine line and i tntnt tt walked quite a fine line and i think it walked walked quite a fine line and i think it walked that fine line tabby think it walked that fine line totny nob. Think it walked that fine line fairly well. It think it walked that fine line fairly well. It wasnt as bad as i fairly well. It wasnt as bad as. Tnougnt fairly well. It wasnt as bad as. Tnougnt tt fairly well. It wasnt as bad as i thought it would be. It wasnt in i thought it would be. It wasnt tn vtototton i thought it would be. It wasnt in violation of i thought it would be. It wasnt in violation of canon law. It tunt in violation of canon law. It didnt include in violation of canon law. It didnt include other faiths. And ononoo didnt include other faiths. And onongo tno didnt include other faiths. And change the sort didnt include other faiths. And change the sort of protestant cnnotton change the sort of protestant christian character , the christian character, the traditions, christian character, the traditions, the deep traditions, boo traditions, the deep traditions, boo ot traditions, the deep traditions, because of course, we have yes, we because of course, we have yes, no nono because of course, we have yes, no no o because of course, we have yes, no no o yoo because of course, we have yes, no no o yoo no because of course, we have yes, we have a yes, we have a notootont we have a yes, we have a protestant settlement in this country protestant settlement in this country not protestant settlement in this country that was very appropriately tied. Yes, we do nono appropriately tied. Yes, we do no o appropriately tied. Yes, we do have a protestant settlement in no have a protestant settlement in tnto country have a protestant settlement in this country constitutionally , this country constitutionally, we this country constitutionally, no tno this country constitutionally, we since the glorious revolution. We since the glorious revolution. Yes of course, we otoo revolution. Yes of course, we otoo nono revolution. Yes of course, we otoo novo ooon revolution. Yes of course, we also have deep, deep roots of tnooo also have deep, deep roots of tnoootton also have deep, deep roots of those from the those traditions from the coronation those traditions from the coronation within catholicism. But coronation within catholicism. But. Coronation within catholicism. But. Tntnn coronation within catholicism. But i think its coronation within catholicism. But i think its important to notntotn but i think its important to maintain the but i think its important to maintain the integrity of those. I maintain the integrity of those. Tntnn maintain the integrity of those. Tntnt tnot maintain the integrity of those. I think that was maintain the integrity of those. I think that was actually done outto i think that was actually done outtotnoto i think that was actually done quitethere was i think that was actually done quitethere was a i think that was actually done quite there was a slight quite well. There was a slight changing quite well. There was a slight onongtng tn quite well. There was a slight changing in the quite well. There was a slight changing in the wording of the ootn changing in the wording of the ootn ot changing in the wording of the ootn ot tnot changing in the wording of the oath of that gesture towards the cnunn oath of that gesture towards the cnunn ot oath of that gesture towards the church of england. Protect ing tnooton church of england. Protect ing ttooton ot church of england. Protect ing freedom of religion for all, nnton freedom of religion for all, nnton noo freedom of religion for all, which was a freedom of religion for all, which was a sort of gentle nod to totonoot which was a sort of gentle nod to defender of which was a sort of gentle nod to defender of the which was a sort of gentle nod to defender of the faiths rather tnon to defender of the faiths rather than defender to defender of the faiths rather than defender of to defender of the faiths rather than defender of the faith, nnton than defender of the faith, nnton. Than defender of the faith, which i dont than defender of the faith, which i dont necessarily agree nttn which i dont necessarily agree nttn tnouon which i dont necessarily agree nttn tnouon. Which i dont necessarily agree with though i do which i dont necessarily agree with though i do of course want ononybooy with though i do of course want onotybooy to with though i do of course want everybody to have with though i do of course want everybody to have freedom of onion everybody to have freedom of toboton tn everybody to have freedom of religion in this everybody to have freedom of religion in this country. So i tntnt religion in this country. So i think actually religion in this country. So i think actually they walked a toy think actually they walked a tonyttno. Think actually they walked a veryline. And think actually they walked a veryline. And i think actually they walked a very line. And i thought very fine line. And i thought not very fine line. And i thought not no very fine line. And i thought not too oo very fine line. And i thought that the as you very fine line. And i thought that the as you were saying, tony that the as you were saying, oony oubtty that the as you were saying, very subtly done that the as you were saying, very subtly done the act of boobto very subtly done the act of boobto non very subtly done the act of people from different faith communities people from different faith communities presenting the king nttn communities presenting the king nttn onouo communities presenting the king with various parts communities presenting the king with various parts of the royal togobo. With various parts of the royal togobo. With various parts of the royal regalia. I thought that that was ootuotty regalia. I thought that that was ootuotty outto regalia. I thought that that was actually quite carefully done. It actually quite carefully done. To noont actually quite carefully done. To noont too actually quite carefully done. It wasnt too it actually quite carefully done. It wasnt too it wasnt too over tno it wasnt too it wasnt too over to too. It wasnt too it wasnt too over to too. It wasnt too it wasnt too over to too. T know it wasnt too it wasnt too over the top. I know you disagree nttn the top. I know you disagree nttn no the top. I know you disagree nttn bo the top. I know you disagree with me. No, im the top. I know you disagree with me. No, im just in two ntnoo with me. No, im just in two minds about with me. No, im just in two minds about this with me. No, im just in two minds about this because it wont minds about this because it wasnt an event, minds about this because it wasnt an event, was it . C wasnt an event, was it . It was a wasnt an event, was it . It was o cbnotton wasnt an event, was it . It was a Christian Service. It was explicitly a service. There was a mass hold as part of it. Now it was a coronation a coronation oontoo. It was a coronation a coronation oontoo. Boo. It was a coronation a coronation oontoo. Boo. Boo. It was a coronation a Coronation Service. Yes. Yes. And it was a coronation a Coronation Service. Yes. Yes. And not c cit a Coronation Service. Yes. Yes. And not an oont service. Yes. Yes. And not an ovontnno service. Yes. Yes. And not an event, and religion, event, but. And religion, obvtouoty event, but. And religion, obviously,fact event, but. And religion, obviously, fact that obviously, the fact that tottotouo obviously, the fact that religious service is the culmination religious service is the culmination that event is culmination of that event is ooony culmination of that event is really important. And but its really important. And but its not really important. And but its not not really important. And but its not just about really important. And but its not just about about a religious oontoo not just about about a religious oontoo. Not just about about a religious service. There not just about about a religious service. There is not just about about a religious service. There is more to it service. There is more to it tnon service. There is more to it tnon tnot service. There is more to it than that because hes not just the than that because hes not just too nng. Than that because hes not just too nng. No than that because hes not just too nng. No to than that because hes not just the king. He is the head of ototo the king. He is the head of ototo. Ano the king. He is the head of state. And therefore, he needs to bo state. And therefore, he needs to be thinking state. And therefore, he needs to be thinking about the whole notton to be thinking about the whole notton tn to be thinking about the whole nation in thinking about the nnoto nation in thinking about the whole nation. Nation in thinking about the whole nation. Nation in thinking about the whole nation. cl nation in thinking about the whole nation. Suzi; nation in thinking about the whole nation. iii z nation in thinking about the whole nation. Z whole nation. Sure. And im with you, emma, in that the oath to defend freedom of religion is fantastically but fantastically important. But therefore, should we have , for therefore, should we have, for example, heathens reading the epistles . Should is it epistles . Should is it appropriate for a heathen Prime Minister to be reading a gospel reading . I think in this context, actually, i think rishi rishi read it with with conviction and actually he read it very well, i think. But is it very well . I think c byzg but is it very well . I think probably in no very well . I think probably in this context very well . I think probably in this context its very well . I think probably in this context its not inappropriate. Idiot. I dont inappropriate. Idiot. I dont know inappropriate. Idiot. I dont know not inappropriate. Idiot. I dont know what his inappropriate. Idiot. I dont know what his position is as a non know what his position is as a ntnou rooting know what his position is as a hindu reading out something that obntouoty hindu reading out something that obviously mustnt hindu reading out something that obviously mustnt he mustnt bottovo obviously mustnt he mustnt bottovo tn. Obviously mustnt he mustnt believe in. But obviously mustnt he mustnt believe in. But i obviously mustnt he mustnt believe in. But i think he was in believe in. But i think he was tn totno believe in. But i think he was tn doing tnot believe in. But i think he was in doing that reading, he was ubnototno in doing that reading, he was ubnototno tno in doing that reading, he was upholding the traditions of this country, upholding the traditions of this country, ancient upholding the traditions of this country, ancient traditions of onto country, ancient traditions of tnto oountty. Country, ancient traditions of this country. And i think thats oxtonoty this country. And i think thats extremely praiseworthy. And i tntnn extremely praiseworthy. And i tntnt no extremely praiseworthy. And i tntnt no ott extremely praiseworthy. And i think he did a extremely praiseworthy. And i think he did a very good job of it. Think he did a very good job of to. Tntnn think he did a very good job of it. Think that think he did a very good job of it. Think that its it. I do think that its tnbonont it. I do think that its important to it. I do think that its important to protect the noon important to protect the christianof. Important to protect thei christianof the christian character of the coronation. Christian character of the coronation. As christian character of the coronation. As a christian ceremony. The coronation. As a christian ceremony. The fact that nothing oono ceremony. The fact that nothing oono tnot ceremony. The fact that nothing was done that substantially sort of was done that substantially sort ot ntototoo was done that substantially sort of violated canon was done that substantially sort of violated canon law or onytntng of violated canon law or onytntno oo of violated canon law or anything as substantial as that, i anything as substantial as that,. Tntnt anything as substantial as that,. Tntnt to anything as substantial as that, i think is good. Anything as substantial as that, i think is good. Hopefully, i wont i think is good. Hopefully, i nouto uno i think is good. Hopefully, i would like to i think is good. 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Thats exaggerated over time. Thats the exaggerated over time. Thats no botnt. Exaggerated over time. Thats the point. Youre exaggerated over time. Thats the point. . iii exaggerated over time. Thats the point. tc. G the point. Youre both talking about it being a Christian Service because thats what it is. Nigel well, in the sense that protestantism is christian, but i think the most important thing is for it to be a protestant service. I mean, you know, youve gone through a quick through history. Quick run through history. Calvin back. The calvin but we go back. The reformation was the brexit of its day. Yes and it wasnt just about changing the religion of this country. About changing the religion of this country. It was about changing the religion of this country. It was also about this country. It was also about about a power change as well. And so that completely changed the constitution. An it then the constitution. An it then took a hundred couple of years took a hundred couple of years to get absolutely sorted out till the act of settlement in 1701. But once that was done, we had a constitution which meant that we needed a protestant monarch. So so that was the important thing about the service. Of course, its christian, but that is the key to it because that is what keeps our constitution together. Could we have a non protestant monarch . No. Could we have a non christian monarch . No. Okay. Well, easy answer for the parts of it that i thought were really well done. So my good friend, lord sayyid kamal, was presenting part the presenting one part of the regalia. He was sikh regalia. I forgot he was sikh when that happening. When that was happening. I forgot people of other forgot the people of other religions christian religions were not christian because integrated because they just integrated well. Jarring bit well. However the jarring bit for was end of the for me was at the end of the service, at the end of the procession, when the king stops to of nod at the faith to kind of nod at the faith leaders other faiths, it leaders of the other faiths, it just felt very disconnected, actually. I there are actually. I think that there are too actually. I think that there are lots lcriticisms actually. I think that there are lots. Criticisms that f i think that there are lots criticisms that can lots of criticisms that you can noto lots of criticisms that you can makecoronation lots of criticisms that you can make Coronation Service make of the Coronation Service ont make of the Coronation Service onotnot make of the Coronation Service onotnot tno make of the Coronation Service. And that the coronation and the mood that the coronation ont and the mood that the coronation ont tntnn and the mood that the coronation ont tntnt. And the mood that the coronation ont tntnt. You and the mood that the coronation on i think , you know, it on set. I think, you know, it onto on set. I think, you know, it ootoo non on set. I think, you know, it aside from the on set. I think, you know, it aside from the multi faith angle on onto aside from the multi faith angle on tnto. Aside from the multi faith angle on tnto. Aside from the multi faith angle on this , i think aside from the multi faith angle on this , i think i aside from the multi faith angle on this , i think i think it on this, i think i think it count on this, i think i think it could have on this, i think i think it could have been done better. I tntnn could have been done better. I tntnt to could have been done better. I think it could could have been done better. I think it could have evoked more oonottty think it could have evoked more oonotttytt think it could have evoked more sanctityit did. Think it could have evoked more sanctityit did. I think it could have evoked more sanctity it did. I think sanctity than it did. I think not sanctity than it did. I think not tnoto sanctity than it did. I think that there was sanctity than it did. I think that there was a lack of otootbbno that there was a lack of discipline and that there was a lack of discipline and a bit of fiddling and discipline and a bit of fiddling ono totttno discipline and a bit of fiddling and faffingand discipline and a bit of fiddling and faffing and a bit and faffing going on and a bit of and faffing going on and a bit otot and faffing going on and a bit of of awkwardness and of sort of awkwardness and nervousness, perhaps you think it nervousness, perhaps you think tt no nervousness, perhaps you think to iuot nervousness, perhaps you think it was just liturgical rather tnon it was just liturgical rather tnon. It was just liturgical rather tnon. Ano it was just liturgical rather than. And actually one aspect than. And i actually one aspect of than. And i actually one aspect ottnot than. 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And for me, that was that felt like it really evoked the that felt like it really evoked tno oonoo that felt like it really evoked the sense of that felt like it really evoked the sense of sanctity of the occasion. And the sense of sanctity of the occasion. And i the sense of sanctity of the occasion. And i think thats not occasion. And i think thats not no occasion. And i think thats what we need occasion. And i think thats what we need to sort of look for in what we need to sort of look for tn tn what we need to sort of look for tn tn tn what we need to sort of look for tn tn tn tno what we need to sort of look for in in in the coronation. And for it in in in the coronation. And for to to in in in the coronation. And for to to non in in in the coronation. And for it to flow smoothly and so on. So. It to flow smoothly and so on. So. Yoo it to flow smoothly and so on. So. Yoo. It to flow smoothly and so on. So. Yoo. T ootoo it to flow smoothly and so on. So, yes, i agree with you. 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I think it was important to find a way of doing it and to do it in a way that didnt it wasnt part of the service, which is what when we which i think is what when we talked couple of talked about this a couple of weeks ago, you objected to the idea it would be part of a christian so to Christian Service. So to actually talk to them on the way out, for them to whatever they said, i mean, presumably to pledge their allegiance to the new monarch, i think that was the you could hope for the best way you could hope for if you were going to do it at all. But i think i think the botnt all. But i think i think the botnt. All. But i think i think the point i think but i think i think the point i think ultimately for me ont point i think ultimately for me on no point i think ultimately for me and the reason point i think ultimately for me and the reason why i think they nottoo and the reason why i think they nottoo tno and the reason why i think they walked the fine and the reason why i think they walked the fine very, very walked the fine line very, very nou walked the fine line very, very wellcarefully walked the fine line very, very wellcarefully is walked the fine line very, very well carefully is that the well and carefully is that the oonootn tol well and carefully is that thei concern to the concern is also relating to the notooony concern is also relating to the ttoiootonytt concern is also relating to the trajectoryit sends trajectory that it sends the coronotton trajectory that it sends the coronation on. Trajectory that it sends the coronation on. And i know i tntnt coronation on. And i know i tntnt botto coronation on. And i know i think David Starkey doesnt bottovo think David Starkey doesnt believe there think David Starkey doesnt believe there will be another coronotton. Believe there will be another coronation. And believe there will be another coronation. And i believe there will be another coronation. And i certainly hope not coronation. And i certainly hope not no coronation. And i certainly hope not no oont coronation. And i certainly hope that we dont end coronation. And i certainly hope that we dont end up with us as otnot that we dont end up with us as other monarchies that we dont end up with us as other monarchies in europe dont nono other monarchies in europe dont novo booouoo other monarchies in europe dont have because as. 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So the ceremony is important, isnt it . And ceremony is important, isnt it . Antconnony ceremony is important, isnt it . I andceremonylimportant, ceremony is important, isnt it . I and butlceremonylimportant, ceremony is important, isnt it . And but i ceremony important, ceremony is important, isnt it . And but i thinkiony important, ceremony is important, isnt it . And but i think itsi important, ceremony is important, isnt it . And but i think its importantant, too. But i think its important is that the christian core of the coronation actually was preserved very well. And it preserved very well. And it doesnt it doesnt w3 and it doesnt it doesnt strike me as oonotntng doesnt it doesnt strike me as something that doesnt it doesnt strike me as something that sets us off on a notooony something that sets us off on a noioototy tnot something that sets us off on a trajectory that would see the not trajectory that would see the next coronation trajectory that would see the next coronation be undermining the next coronation be undermining tno cnnotton next coronation be undermining the christian character of the oony ano the christian character of the ceremony. And i the christian character of the ceremony. And i think thats tnoto ceremony. And i think thats thats important ceremony. And i think thats thats important to me. Yeah. Thats important to me. Yeah. Ant thats important to me. Yeah. No to thats important to me. Yeah. And it should thats important to me. Yeah. And it should be thats important to me. Yeah. And it should be noted thats important to me. Yeah. And it should be noted that David Starkey did a very good job of commentating, but he didnt anything it didnt mention anything when it got to multi faith so got to the multi faith part, so maybe going with maybe he was going along with the that you were. The same argument that you were. Well, well, he did. I mean, well, no. Well, he did. I mean, i think that he well, no. Well, he did. I mean, i think that he was � fowcc � fowcc t t i mean, i think that he was actually nototno i think that he was actually nototnonoo i think that he was actually praising was talking. Praising that he was talking. I. Praising that he was talking. I. Noo praising that he was talking. I was i was taken praising that he was talking. I was i was taken aback. Praising that he was talking. I was i was taken aback. I praising that he was talking. Was i was taken aback. I was surprised. Yeah. That he was, you surprised. Yeah. That he was, you know. Surprised. Yeah. That he was, you know, because yeah. That he was, you know, because we are a multi a you know, because we are a multi o nutt you know, because we are a multi o nuttt tonn you know, because we are a multi a multi faith nation. You know, because we are a multi a multi faith nation. But that bontoutot a multi faith nation. But that particular service had to be a notootont particular service had to be a protestant emma,| particular service had to be a. Protestant emma, can particular service had to be a protestant emma, can we protestant one. And emma, can we take at cake as take a look at your cake as well . I understand youve been youve been baking cool youve been baking some cool patriotic have got patriotic cakes. Have we got a float this . I to say float of this . I have to say i otont float of this . I have to say i otont boto float of this . I have to say i didnt bake it. Float of this . I have to say i didnt bake it. Thats 57 i have to say i didnt bake it. Thats thats oounooy didnt bake it. Thats thats oounooy. Didnt bake it. Thats thats oounooy. Didnt bake it. Thats thats courtesy. I wish didnt bake it. Thats thats courtesy. I wish i had baked it. Courtesy. Iwish i had baked it. No courtesy. Iwish i had baked it. No oounooy courtesy. Iwish i had baked it. Its courtesy of courtesy. I wish i had baked it. Its courtesy of dunnes bakery. Ano its courtesy of dunnes bakery. Ant ctouon its courtesy of dunnes bakery. And crouch bought it. I did. I now and crouch bought it. I did. I onon you and crouch bought it. I did. I onon you ott and crouch bought it. I did. I show you off anymore . Yeah. No, show you off anymore . Yeah. No, but no show you off anymore . Yeah. No, but its beautiful, show you off anymore . Yeah. No, but its beautiful, isnt it . Croon but its beautiful, isnt it . Ctottt. N but its beautiful, isnt it . Ctottt. N to but its beautiful, isnt it . Credit. It is wonderful but its beautiful, isnt it . Credit. It is wonderful. Well, credit. It is wonderful. Well, thank you for that. And plenty more evening on my more to come this evening on my common crusade. Next, common sense crusade. Next, well discussing the well be discussing the importance with importance of Queen Camilla with the royal butler grant. The former royal butler grant. Harold, stay tuned is gb news radio. Is gb news radio. On mark dolan is gb news radio. On mark dolan tontobt is gb news radio. On mark dolan tontgnt. Noto is gb news radio. On mark dolan tonight. Were celebrating the king tonight. Were celebrating the king ont tonight. Were celebrating the new king and queen in style with a new king and queen in style with o obootot new king and queen in style with a special coronation party. With me a special coronation party. With no tn a special coronation party. With no tn tno a special coronation party. With me in the studio, a special coronation party. With me in the studio, former butler to ntnoooo me in the studio, former butler to princess diana. Me in the studio, former butler to princess diana. And im a cotobnty to princess diana. And im a celebrity star, to princess diana. And im a celebrity star, paul burrell, tno celebrity star, paul burrell, tno ouoon celebrity star, paul burrell, the queen of celebrity star, paul burrell, the queen of us royal reporting. Ntnooy the queen of us royal reporting. Kinsey schofield the queen of us royal reporting. Kinsey schofield and legendary ioutnobot Kinsey Schofield and legendary journalist and Kinsey Schofield and legendary journalist and radio star mike bony journalist and radio star mike bony bony journalist and radio star mike bony bony tn journalist and radio star mike porky parry in my big opinion, toooy porky parry in my big opinion, toooy no porky parry in my big opinion, toooy o porky parry in my big opinion, today was a reminder of ononytntng today was a reminder of everything thats important obout everything thats important obout tnto everything thats important about this country. And in my tono about this country. And in my tono ot about this country. And in my tono ot ton about this country. And in my take at ten, ill about this country. And in my take at ten, ill be sharing the nono take at ten, ill be sharing the ntono tno take at ten, ill be sharing the highs, the lows take at ten, ill be sharing the highs, the lows and some of the noun highs, the lows and some of the noun ot highs, the lows and some of the hilarity of the highs, the lows and some of the hilarity of the big highs, the lows and some of the hilarity of the big day. Its no hilarity of the big day. Its tno noun hilarity of the big day. Its two hours of hilarity of the big day. Its two hours of fun and celebration. Bo two hours of fun and celebration. Bo iotn two hours of fun and celebration. Bo iotn uo two hours of fun and celebration. Do join us from two hours of fun and celebration. Do join us from. Do join us from. Nine no. Do join us from. Nine to ob. Do join us from. Nine we all know. Do join us from. Nine we all know the importance of our we all know the importance of oonototno we all know the importance of our sovereign King Charles Iii ont our sovereign King Charles Iii on no our sovereign King Charles Iii on too noto our sovereign King Charles Iii and the role he our sovereign King Charles Iii and the role he plays in our constitutional and the role he plays in our constitutional monarchy. But not constitutional monarchy. But nbot to constitutional monarchy. But nbot to obo constitutional monarchy. But what is the role constitutional monarchy. But what is the role of constitutional monarchy. But what is the role of the importance of Queen Camilla . Joining me to discuss this further is royal butler grant. Further is royal butler grant. Harold grant, further is royal butler grant. Harold grant , thanks for joining harold grant, thanks for joining us from your wonderful coronation cruise ship that i understand youre on. Everyones talking about the king today. So i wanted to talk about the queen a bit. Is her role a little bit. What is her role going to be . I understand shes no longer called the queen consort, what is the role of consort, but what is the role of a queen . This is the thing thats many thats been confusing so many people and the people is the title and the title is queen consort because as the wife the king, it was as the wife of the king, it was automatic. She becomes the ouoon automatic. She becomes the ouoon. To. Automatic. She becomes the queen. Is. Thats c. She becomes the queen. Is. Thats just how queen. That is. Thats just how it queen. That is. Thats just how blot queen. That is. Thats just how blob tt queen. That is. Thats just how it. Or iflook queen. That is. Thats just how it. Or iflook in it is. Or if you look in noon. It is. 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And i rememberso have that kind of smile. And i remember so well. So well. Remember that. So well. So well. It remember that. So well. So well. Tttoonoo remember that. So well. So well. Itlookednervousl it almost looked like a nervous onto it almost looked like a nervous onto totoy it almost looked like a nervous smile today, didnt it . 3 33. Smile today, didnt it . They bott smile today, didnt it . They both actually smile today, didnt it . They both actually looked quite nervous. You think the nervous. Do you think the publics to her and publics grown to love her and accept her . I think they have. I too not accept her . I think they have. I mean, ive had so c, w7 i think they have. I mean, ive had so many conversations mean, ive had so many conversations that conversations with friends that nonmuon conversations with friends that notonuonloon conversations with friends that were much, can say, were very much, if i can say, no were very much, if i can say, tnobtono were very much, if i can say, the diana, princess of the late diana, princess of notoo the late diana, princess of notootnoy the late diana, princess of wales they they initially the late diana, princess of wales like they they initially the late diana, princess of wales like her. Ey they initially the late diana, princess of wales like her. And ey initially the late diana, princess of wales like her. And now itially the late diana, princess of wales like her. And now they didnt like her. And now they can see that didnt like her. And now they can see that shes theyre doing an can see that shes theyre doing on onoztno can see that shes theyre doing on amazing job can see that shes theyre doing an amazing job and supporting her an amazing job and supporting not nuobont an amazing job and supporting her husband. Course, with her husband. And of course, with a her husband. And of course, with otonttoo her husband. And of course, with otonttoo. Her husband. And of course, with afamilies , sadly, a lot of families, sadly, tnotoo a lot of families, sadly, theresups a lot of families, sadly, theres ups and a lot of families, sadly, theresups and things go theres break ups and things go on theres break ups and things go on ano theres break ups and things go ong no to theres break ups and things go wrong. And it takes years to boot wrong. And it takes years to heal. Sometimes wrong. And it takes years to heal. Sometimes it doesnt heal. But heal. Sometimes it doesnt heal. But. Heal. Sometimes it doesnt heal. But. Tntnt heal. Sometimes it doesnt heal. But i thinkthis heal. Sometimes it doesnt heal. But i think this occasion, but i think in this occasion, boobto but i think in this occasion, boobtotont but i think in this occasion, people dont know if id people are i dont know if id say people are i dont know if id ooy totgnon people are i dont know if id say forgiven, but people are i dont know if id say forgiven, but think say forgiven, but i think tnoyno say forgiven, but i think theyve moved on and accept the toot theyve moved on and accept the toot tnot theyve moved on and accept the toot tnot obo theyve moved on and accept the fact that she. The theyve moved on and accept the fact that she the wife of the fact that she is the wife of the obno fact that she is the wife of the one time prince fact that she is the wife of the one time prince charles, now king one time prince charles, now king cnotoo one time prince charles, now king charles, and one time prince charles, now king charles, and they understand king charles, and they understand shes there king charles, and they understandshes there to understand that shes there to oubbon understand that shes there to oubbont understand that shes there to oubbont noon understand that shes there to supporti mean, you. Support him. I mean, you mentioned the break up. Dont support him. I mean, you mentitalki the break up. Dont support him. I mean, you mentitalk aboutyreak up. Dont support him. I mean, you mentitalk about ittak up. Dont support him. I mean, you mentitalk about it these . Dont support him. I mean, you mentitalk about it these days, dont often talk about it these days, but of course, the new king has stepchildren because of this relationship, doesnt he . Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. No absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Anolooutoo. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And course, youve got tom and of course, youve got tom ont and of course, youve got tom on too. And of course, youve got tom and lara. Lara. And of course, youve got tom and lara. Lara. Lara. Lara notor and lara. Lara. Lara. Lara parker bowles, and lara. Lara. Lara. Lara parker bowles, who again, i knew booty parker bowles, who again, i knew tootty not parker bowles, who again, i knew really well when parker bowles, who again, i knew really well when they joined the nouoonoto really well when they joined the nouoonoto. Really well when they joined the household , when really well when they joined the household , when they the household, when they joined the tonty. Household, when they joined the tonty. Tnoyto household, when they joined the family. Theyre theyre family. And theyre theyre great family. And theyre theyre goon got family. And theyre theyre gtoot oot oni family. And theyre theyre great got on with great fun and they got on with otnot great fun and they got on with other members great fun and they got on with other members of great fun and they got on with other members of the family. Tnoyno other members of the family. Tnoyyo got other members of the family. Theyve got own other members of the family. Theyve got own children. Theyve got their own children. So theyve got their own children. So botn i theyve got their own children. | so botn king so as you mentioned, both king ont so as you mentioned, both king ono ouoon so as you mentioned, both king and queen have so as you mentioned, both king and queen have step children and queen have got step children and queen have got step children not. And queen have got step children ono. But and queen have got step children and. But which. And grandchildren. But which notoo and grandchildren. But which notoo tnon and grandchildren. But which makes them kind of very modern. Its makes them kind of very modem. To o makes them kind of very modem. To o tony makes them kind of very modern. Its a very modern makes them kind of very modern. Its a very modern royal family its a very modern royal family i is its a very modern royal family tto tno its a very modern royal family iis the wonderful. I think this is the wonderful tntno i think this is the wonderful tntnotno i think this is the wonderful thingthe royal i think this is the wonderful thing the royal family. Thing about the royal family. Vou thing about the royal family. You know. Thing about the royal family. You know,. One thing about the royal family. You know, one time, they were you know, at one time, they were otnoyo bonoot always seen as the perfect tonty always seen as the perfect familyknow, always seen as the perfect family. Know, divorces and family. You know, divorces and tntnoo family. You know, divorces and tntnoootont family. You know, divorces and things didnt happen where things just didnt happen where nonuto things just didnt happen where now like everybody now they are like everybody otoo tnoy now they are like everybody else. Theytheyre else. You know, they and theyre proud else. You know, they and theyre btouo ot else. You know, they and theyre btouo ot tnot else. You know, they and theyre btouo ot tnot. Else. You know, they and theyre proud of that. I else. You know, they and theyre proud of that. I find else. You know, they and theyre proud of that. � t c proud of that. I find it fascinating that camillas son from marriage, tom from her first marriage, tom parker his father, parker bowles, his step father, is the king, but also his hes his godfather, too. I find that it blows my mind. But camillas first husband is still alive, and that is a unique situation in the in the english monarchy. Whats his relationship with the royal family very good. I dont know royal family very good. I dont know t royal family very good. I dont know tt you royal family very good. I dont know if you noticed. T 3 very good. I dont know if you noticed. He was ootuotty know if you noticed. He was ootuotty tn know if you noticed. He was actually in the know if you noticed. He was actually in the abbey. I noticed he actually in the abbey. I noticed no no actually in the abbey. I noticed no ottttng actually in the abbey. I noticed he was sitting obviously in the obboy he was sitting obviously in the obboy nttn he was sitting obviously in the abbey with the he was sitting obviously in the abbey with the other guests and tuto abbey with the other guests and outto noo abbey with the other guests and auto tno abbey with the other guests and quite near the front, i should nonton quite near the front, i should mention, hes quite near the front, i should mention, hes hes always been otooo mention, hes hes always been otooo to mention, hes hes always been otooo to no mention, hes hes always been close to the family. You know, too close to the family. You know, boonoo close to the family. You know, boonot o close to the family. You know, heshad a long close to the family. You know, hes had a long standing hes hes had a long standing totottonontb hes hes had a long standing relationship with hes hes had a long standing relationship with the king. Obvtouoty. Relationship with the king. Obviously, his relationship with the king. Obviously, his wife, former ntto. Obviously, his wife, former ntto. Ton obviously, his wife, former wife. Now queen. And, you know , wife. Now queen. And, you know, ont wife. Now queen. And, you know, on otoo wife. Now queen. And, you know, on otoo no wife. Now queen. And, you know, and also he was wife. Now queen. And, you know, and also he was friends, i bottovo and also he was friends, i believe, with and also he was friends, i believe, with Princess Anne over the believe, with Princess Anne over to yoo believe, with Princess Anne over to yoo so believe, with Princess Anne over the years. So theres a close totottonontb the years. So theres a close relationship between both tonttoo relationship between both families, which is nice. I think its families, which is nice. I think no booty families, which is nice. I think its really nice families, which is nice. I think its really nice also for the obttton its really nice also for the children. You its really nice also for the children. You know, it makes it i children. You know, it makes it. Tntnt children. You know, it makes it. Tntnt nnon children. You know, it makes it i think when you children. You know, it makes it i think when you have this ottuotton i think when you have this situation, it i think when you have this situation, it makes it a lot tot situation, it makes it a lot easier for families when theres obntouoty easier for families when theres obviously l divorce easier for families when theres obviously divorce and obviously a divorce and oobototton obviously a divorce and separation and a remarriage, it notoo separation and a remarriage, it notoo t separation and a remarriage, it makes it easier, separation and a remarriage, it makes it easier, i separation and a remarriage, it makes it easier, i so makes it easier, i think. So no makes it easier, i think. So no noo makes it easier, i think. So no to makes it easier, i think. So its nice to see makes it easier, i think. So its nice to see them as one tonty its nice to see them as one family united its nice to see them as one family united today in the obboy. Family united today in the abboy. Not family united today in the abbey. Well, grant, you mentioned abbey. Well, grant, you mentioned Princess Anne, which bnnoo mentioned Princess Anne, which bringsquestion mentioned Princess Anne, which bringsquestion , mentioned Princess Anne, which brings question , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe question , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best question , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best royal question , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best royal and stion , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best royal and whyi , who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best royal and why is who mentioned Princess Anne, which brthe best royal and why is itio is the best royal and why is it ntnoooo is the best royal and why is it Princess Anne, is the best royal and why is it Princess Anne, princess, ntnoooo Princess Anne, princess, Princess Anne . I think princess anno Princess Anne . I think princess anno to Princess Anne . I think princess anno to o Princess Anne . I think Princess Anne is a favourite because i oont anne is a favourite because i oont tnon anne is a favourite because i oont tnon ono anne is a favourite because i dont know one person that oooont dont know one person that doesnt like dont know one person that doesnt like Princess Anne. And at doesnt like Princess Anne. And ot ono doesnt like Princess Anne. And ot ttno doesnt like Princess Anne. And ot ttno. Doesnt like Princess Anne. And at one time i think doesnt like Princess Anne. And at one time i think it was said obo at one time i think it was said ono no at one time i think it was said ono tno at one time i think it was said she was the hardest working toyot she was the hardest working toyot nttn she was the hardest working royal with obviously the kings tuot royal with obviously the kings tuotbontnt royal with obviously the kings just behind. Shes very just slightly behind. Shes very bobutot just slightly behind. Shes very bobutott just slightly behind. Shes very populari think just slightly behind. Shes very popular i think reason popular and i think the reason onoo onoo popular and i think the reason onoo onoo o popular and i think the reason shes shes a biti shes popular, she shes a bit uto shes popular, she shes a bit ttototo shes popular, she shes a bit likelate father. Shes popular, she shes a bit like late father. She does like her late father. She does it like her late father. She does ttoo like her late father. She does ttoo obo like her late father. She does itas she does, like her late father. She does it as she does, you it and says as she does, you know. It and says as she does, you know. Obo it and says as she does, you know, she doesnt kind of mix not know, she doesnt kind of mix not not know, she doesnt kind of mix her words. And, know, she doesnt kind of mix her words. And, you know, tonouoty her words. And, you know, famously, shes her words. And, you know, famously, shes been seen for botng tntntl being like that. And i think boobto being like that. And i think boobto uto being like that. And i think people like that, you know, nnoto people like that, you know, where with people like that, you know, wherewith her. Where you are with her. I tnougnt where you are with her. I thought she where you are with her. I thought she amazing. Thought she was amazing. I otnoyo thought she was amazing. I always thought thought she was amazing. I always thought was great to always thought it was great to see always thought it was great to oooono always thought it was great to seeandlmakes always thought it was great to see and makes me smile see her and it makes me smile booouoolyou see her and it makes me smile because,. You know, see her and it makes me smile because, you know, i live in because, as you know, i live in no because, as you know, i live in the cotswolds. Because, as you know, i live in the cotswolds. I because, as you know, i live in the cotswolds. I live on the highgrove the cotswolds. I live on the highgrove estate. And shes otton tntoi highgrove estate. And shes. Often into local often seen popping into local onobo tnoni often seen popping into local. Onobo tnon no shops and people that know me ntt shops and people that know me willprincess shops and people that know me willPrincess Anne shops and people that know me will Princess Anne was in will say, Princess Anne was in noto will say, Princess Anne was in nonooy will say, Princess Anne was in nonooy oo will say, Princess Anne was in nonooy oo t will say, Princess Anne was in hereday as if its. Here the other day as if its a onoot. Here the other day as if its a onoot. Ba, here the other day as if its a shock. But, you here the other day as if its a shock. But, you know, they are, as shock. But, you know, they are, oolooto shock. But, you know, they are, asisaid earlier shock. But, you know, they are, asisaid earlier on, shock. But, you know, they are, as said earlier on, they are as i said earlier on, they are tuto as i said earlier on, they are outto tonn as i said earlier on, they are outto town to as i said earlier on, they are quite down to earth. Theyre tuto quite down to earth. Theyre outtotnoy quite down to earth. Theyre outtotnoy oo quite down to earth. Theyre quitethey do a quite down to earth. Theyre. Quitethey do a. Of quite normal. They do a lot of no quite normal. They do a lot of too tntngo quite normal. They do a lot of the things that quite normal. They do a lot of the things that you and me do. Noon. The things that you and me do. Noon. The things that you and me do. Noon. Noon the things that you and me do. Yeah. I mean, she the things that you and me do. Yeah. I mean, she put the things that you and me do. Yeah. I mean, she put over the things that you and me do. Yi . 700 yeah. I mean, she put over 200 pubuc yeah. I mean, she put over 200 public appearances the public appearances in in the last year. So shes one of the ones really on the grind. But grant to wrap up, is Queen Camilla ready be queen . I camilla ready to be queen . I think she you know, shes think she is. You know, shes oubbonoo think she is. You know, shes supported husband, the supported her husband, the tongoot tnl longest prince of wales in booty. Longest prince of wales in. History. Married longest prince of wales in history. Married 18 history. Theyve been married 18 yoo history. Theyve been married 18 yooto onouon history. Theyve been married 18 yooto onouon tol history. Theyve been married 18 years. Enough to be years. I was lucky enough to be at years. I was lucky enough to be otnoootng. Years. I was lucky enough to be atwedding. Ive years. I was lucky enough to be at wedding. Ive witnessed at that wedding. Ive witnessed the at that wedding. Ive witnessed tnoyooto at that wedding. Ive witnessed tnoyootoltno the early years of the relationship the early years of the relationshipmarriage. Relationship of the marriage. No relationship of the marriage. Ant ooon relationship of the marriage. And even then. Relationship of the marriage. And even then that and i could see even then that obo and i could see even then that ono nouto and i could see even then that ono nouto bo and i could see even then that she would be perfect for this noto she would be perfect for this noto. Snoo she would be perfect for this role. Shes going she would be perfect for this role. Shes going to be make an oxoottont role. Shes going to be make an excellent queen role. Shes going to be make an excellent queen and great excellent queen and a great support excellent queen and a great support husband. King support to her husband. King cnotoo. Support to her husband. King charles. Grant. Charles. Thank you, grant notott charles. Thank you, grant. Harold, iwant charles. Thank you, grant harold, iwant to harold, very much. I want to bnng harold, very much. I want to bring emma into this now. Bring emma webb into this now. Emma, this first time emma, this is the first time weve king married to a weve had a king married to a divorcee who still has a living former husband. Its all very complicated, modern. Complicated, very modern. Is this good thing . It like, this a good thing . Is it like, contemporary well contemporary monarchy . Well firstly, the tradition firstly, i think the tradition has that the members has always been that the members of the royal family couldnt marry divorcees. That was always a marry divorcees. That was always oot marry divorcees. That was always oot tno marry divorcees. That was always oot to too marry divorcees. That was always a. Of the idea. The marry divorcees. That was always aof the ideathe head. A sort of the idea that the head of a sort of the idea that the head otonunn a sort of the idea that the head ofchurch would a sort of the idea that the head of church would marry of the church would marry a tnotooo of the church would marry a tnotoooo of the church would marry a divorcee a divorcee of the church would marry a. Divorceea divorcee. Divorcee would be a divorcee. Tnoto tn divorcee would be a divorcee. Thats in itself. Divorcee would be a divorcee. Thats in itself. | thats all very new in itself. No thats all very new in itself. No to thats all very new in itself. This is obviously thats all very new in itself. This is obviously unprecedented, but tnon this is obviously unprecedented, but tnon oootn this is obviously unprecedented, but then again, as this is obviously unprecedented, but then again, as head of the cnunn but then again, as head of the churchengland, but then again, as head of the church england, the church of church of england, the church of tnotono church of england, the church of englandalmost church of england, the church of englandalmostof england was almost sort of tounooo england was almost sort of tounoot on england was almost sort of founded on divorce anyway. So in non founded on divorce anyway. So in nony noyo founded on divorce anyway. So in nony noyo tto founded on divorce anyway. So in nony noyo to o founded on divorce anyway. So in many ways its a continuation of a many ways its a continuation of o ottontty many ways its a continuation of a slightly different many ways its a continuation of a slightly different tradition in. A slightly different tradition tn. But a slightly different tradition tn. Outloo a slightly different tradition tn. Butloo. A slightly different tradition in. But do i mean, i do think in. But i do i mean, i do think obntouoty in. But i do i mean, i do think obviouslyhas in. But i do i mean, i do think obviously has been pointed obviously this has been pointed outoo obviously this has been pointed outas symbolic obviously this has been pointed outas symbolic of obviously this has been pointed out as symbolic of many of out as as as symbolic of many of the out as as as symbolic of many of too btoton out as as as symbolic of many of the broken and out as as as symbolic of many of the broken and then out as as as symbolic of many of the broken and then refused tonttoo the broken and then refused families that the broken and then refused families that we have across bottotn families that we have across bntotn. Ano families that we have across britain. And i families that we have across britain. And i think many people nobobty britain. And i think many people nobobty ooo britain. And i think many people probably see themselves reflect in probably see themselves reflect tn tnto. Probably see themselves reflect tn tnto. Ano probably see themselves reflect in this. And going probably see themselves reflect in this. And going back to the conversation in this. And going back to the conversation that in this. And going back to the conversation that we had nontouoty conversation that we had previously about whether or not the previously about whether or not too monotony previously about whether or not the monarchy needs to be modern, i the monarchy needs to be modern, ttntnt the monarchy needs to be modern, ttntnt tnot the monarchy needs to be modern, i think that that the monarchy needs to be modern, i think that that is the monarchy needs to be modern, i think that that is the obonoot i think that that is the abstract concept of modernity. I abstract concept of modernity. I tntnt abstract concept of modernity. I tntnt tto abstract concept of modernity. I tntnt to o abstract concept of modernity. I think its a mistake to try and noto think its a mistake to try and noto tno think its a mistake to try and make the argument that the monotony make the argument that the monarchy even make the argument that the monarchy even has to prove its togtttnooy monarchy even has to prove its legitimacy almost monarchy even has to prove its legitimacy almost by having to nono legitimacy almost by having to nono to legitimacy almost by having to prove its legitimacy. That otnoot prove its legitimacy. That almost its. Almost undermines its togtttnooy almost undermines its legitimacy. Nigel, im legitimacy. So nigel, im tnonto legitimacy. So nigel, im friends with legitimacy. So nigel, im friends with both you and your ntto. Friends with both you and your ntto. Lototo friends with both you and your wife. Iadore you friends with both you and your wife. Iadore you both, friends with both you and your wife. wife. I adore you both, but you are very modern family. Does this does this make the monarchy feel representative you . Feel more representative to you . Yeah i i that the yeah i mean, i think that the nnoto 4 i mean, i think that the whole modernisation process nobbonoo t whole modernisation process i nobbonoo t happened back in 2013. I mean, nowa situation happened back in 2013. I mean, now a situation where now we have a situation where its now we have a situation where no not now we have a situation where no not not now we have a situation where its not just the now we have a situation where its not just the eldest son tnot its not just the eldest son not on its not just the eldest son that can inherit its not just the eldest son that can inherit , but the eldest that can inherit, but the eldest touontot that can inherit, but the eldest touontot to that can inherit, but the eldest daughter to become the next monoton daughter to become the next nononn. So daughter to become the next monarch. So that was a way monarch. So that was a way tonnont monarch. So that was a way totnoto. Monarch. So that was a way totnoto. Ano monarch. So that was a way forward. And the king could now forward. And the king could now be forward. And the king could now bo nontoo forward. And the king could now bo nontoo to forward. And the king could now be married to a forward. And the king could now be married to a catholic, which noont be married to a catholic, which hadnt happened be married to a catholic, which hadnt happened before. So that was hadnt happened before. So that otoo hadnt happened before. So that was also changed. Hadnt happened before. So that was also changed. Yeah that was otoo was also changed. Yeah that was otoo onongoo was also changed. Yeah that was also changed in was also changed. Yeah that was also changed in that legislation. Ano also changed in that legislation. Ant oo also changed in that legislation. Ant oo tno also changed in that legislation. And so the work also changed in that legislation. And so the work has been done to nnooontoo. And so the work has been done to modernise the. And so the work has been done to modernise the monarchy anyway. Tno to modernise the monarchy anyway. Tno ouootton to modernise the monarchy anyway. The question really to modernise the monarchy anyway. The question really is that do we. The question really is that do no nono. The question really is that do no novo too. The question really is that do we have too many. The question really is that do we have too many of them . So tnotoo we have too many of them . So tnotoo tno we have too many of them . So theres the argument over the otnnoo theres the argument over the slimmed down theres the argument over the slimmed down monarchy. Should slimmed down monarchy. Should tnoy slimmed down monarchy. Should tnoy bo slimmed down monarchy. Should they be paying slimmed down monarchy. Should they be paying rather tax they be paying rather more tax tnon they be paying rather more tax tnontnoooo they be paying rather more tax than those . Those are than they do . Those . Those are the than they do . Those . Those are tnonototn than they do . Those . Those are themodern issues, than they do . Those . Those are the modern issues, if the kind of modern issues, if you the kind of modern issues, if youmonotony the kind of modern issues, if you monarchy has got you like, the monarchy has got toot you like, the monarchy has got toott yout you like, the monarchy has got to all your monarchist. To address all your monarchist. Tn to address all your monarchist. Im lmonarchist, to address all your monarchist. Im monarchist, not im a monarchist, but not a toyottot. Im a monarchist, but not a royalist. Okay. Im a monarchist, but not a royalist. Okay. Are im a monarchist, but not a royalist. jo £53 w; royalist. Okay. Are you a monarchist . Ithink royalist. Okay. Are you a monarchist . I think im royalist. Okay. Are you a monarchist . I think im probably boon monarchist . I think im probably botn ot monarchist . I think im probably botn ot tnooo monarchist . I think im probably both of those things, f c7 i think im probably both of those things, though im not tno not entirely sure. The distinction not entirely sure. The distinction between distinction is between distinction distinction is between distinction im distinction is between distinction. Im l monarchist distinction is im a monarchist boo distinction is im a monarchist becauserelieve distinction is im a monarchist because believe in a monarch because i believe in a monarch as because i believe in a monarch oo booo because i believe in a monarch oo booo ot because i believe in a monarch as head of state, because i believe in a monarch as head of state, a as head of state, a non political head of state. As head of state, a non political head of state. Tn non political head of state. Tn not non political head of state. Tn not o non political head of state. Im not a royalist non political head of state. Im not a royalist because i dont go along with all the stuff that goes around it. I think that i feel more of a citizen rather than a subject, which is what i see. I feel more like a which is what i see. I feel more ttto o oubtoot which is what i see. I feel more like a subject matter which is what i see. I feel more like a subject matter for c i feel more like a subject matter for the noon. Like a subject matter for the otttzon. So like a subject matter for the citizen. So im like a subject matter for the citizen. So im both a monarchist citizen. So im both a monarchist and a royalist with tnno monarchist and a royalist with tnno on monarchist and a royalist with tnno on onto monarchist and a royalist with emma on this one. But i think its also important to point out that being monarchist doesnt that being a monarchist doesnt mean you like the king. Its not about liking king charles. This is institution. Yes, is about the institution. Yes, exactly. I think exactly. Absolutely. And i think tnoto noy exactly. Absolutely. And i think tnoto noy ot thats the correct way of viewing thats the correct way of viewing the thats the correct way of viewing the office state and viewing the office of state and the constitution viewing the office of state and the constitution the the constitution role of the monotony the constitution role of the monarchyecosystem , monarchy within the ecosystem, um,institutions um, of the institutions of our constitutional constitutional settlement, boo constitutional settlement, because whats the alternative . Not. Because whats the alternative . Not. To because whats the alternative . Not. To obo because whats the alternative . Well,is the point. I because whats the alternative . I mean, well, this is the point. I mean, you know, how would well, this is the point. I mean, you know, how would you i mean, you know, how would you like noottont you know, how would you like president boris you know, how would you like president boris so that president Boris Johnson . So that wont president Boris Johnson . So that noutoltno president Boris Johnson . So that would the alternative. And would be the alternative. And onto would be the alternative. And tntolnny would be the alternative. And tntolnny ott would be the alternative. And thiswhy all the would be the alternative. And this why all the where the this is why all the where the why this is why all the where the nnyltoob this is why all the where the wbylkeep going this is why all the where the why keep going about the why i keep going about the tnbononoo why i keep going about the importancethe why i keep going about the importance the protestant importance of the protestant monarch. You importance of the protestant monarch. You then start looking at monarch. You then start looking ot tno monarch. You then start looking ot tno noy monarch. You then start looking at the way parliament works. Do we at the way parliament works. Do no tnon at the way parliament works. Do no tnon toto at the way parliament works. Do we then take church of england btonobo we then take church of england btonobo out we then take church of england btonobo out ot we then take church of england bishops out of the we then take church of england bishops out of the house of botto bishops out of the house of totto nbo bishops out of the house of lords who are bishops out of the house of lords who are legislators . As of nont lords who are legislators . As of non ont lords who are legislators . As of noon on you lords who are legislators . As of right and you start lords who are legislators . As of right and you start unpicking the right and you start unpicking tno nnoto right and you start unpicking the whole institution when you ooon the whole institution when you oton ononotno the whole institution when you start changing it the whole institution when you start changing it. The whole institution when you start changing it. And thats start changing it. And thats why start changing it. And thats nny to start changing it. And thats nny to uto start changing it. And thats why id like to start changing it. And thats why id like to keep things btoooty why id like to keep things btoooty oo why id like to keep things broadly as they are. C broadly as they are. Its interesting broadly as they are. Its interesting because the republic guys who werent out there in force as they imagined they were going be, would to take going to be, would like to take that, of the that, get rid of the constitutional but constitutional monarchy. But i dont think the default option necessarily be necessarily would be a president ial we president ial system. I think we could go towards an absolute monarchy. That monarchy. Wouldnt that be better, that. Better, calvin . Now that. Well, ttotty better, calvin . Now that. Well, ttotty. Better, calvin . Now that. Well, ttotty. Onott better, calvin . Now that. Well, firstly , shall we better, calvin . Now that. 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I think that we should be i dont think that we should be an i dont think that we should be on obootuto i dont think that we should be an absolute monarchy. I think not an absolute monarchy. I think not no an absolute monarchy. I think not no nono an absolute monarchy. I think that we have the an absolute monarchy. I think that we have the ideal settlement that we have the ideal settlement right and that we have the ideal settlement rightand has settlement right now and it has boon settlement right now and it has boonout settlement right now and it has boonout onto settlement right now and it has been out this week and i been pointed out this week and i tntnt tntnt been pointed out this week and i think, think its been pointed out this week and i think, think its a. 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Um, the it has been pointed out this week it. Um, the it has been pointed out this week that it. Um, the it has been pointed out this week that actually in oononoonb out this week that actually in comparison to out this week that actually in comparison to the heads of state of comparison to the heads of state ot tno comparison to the heads of state ot tno unttoo comparison to the heads of state of the United States and france, we of the United States and france, no ootuotty of the United States and france, no ootuoty boy of the United States and france, no ootuoty boy o of the United States and france, we actually pay a lot less tooboyoto we actually pay a lot less taxpayers money towards the monotony. Taxpayers money towards the monarchy. And taxpayers money towards the monarchy. And also they bring an ontut monarchy. And also they bring an ontutiot monarchy. And also they bring an ontutiottn. Monarchy. And also they bring an ontutiottn. Monarchy. And also they bring an awfulofin. I think. Awful lot of money in. I think tnoto awful lot of money in. I think too o awful lot of money in. I think thats a terrible awful lot of money in. I think thats a terrible argument for ooytno thats a terrible argument for ooytng tnot thats a terrible argument for saying that theyre legitimate. I saying that theyre legitimate. Ttnot saying that theyre legitimate. Ttnot to saying that theyre legitimate. Ttnot to o saying that theyre legitimate. Ithat is a total i think that that is a total ootto i think that that is a total ootoo. But i think that that is a total aside. But i i think that that is a total aside. But i think those people nbo aside. But i think those people nno nont aside. But i think those people nno wont to aside. But i think those people who want to have aside. But i think those people who want to have a republic with an who want to have a republic with on ototo who want to have a republic with on ototo nbo who want to have a republic with an state who are an elected head of state who are tnoy an elected head of state who are tnoy ooboottno an elected head of state who are tnoy ooboottno to an elected head of state who are they expecting to be the head of ototoo they expecting to be the head of ototoo con they expecting to be the head of ototoo con you they expecting to be the head of state . Can you imagine another tony state . Can you imagine another tony ontut tony blair . Yeah awful situation. Tony blair . Yeah awful situation. Do tony blair . Yeah awful situation. Dowant situation. You do not want another elected head of state, but these republic guys, these protesters, a lot of them have been arrested. Do you think thats a bit heavy handed . Yes. I mean, emma was there, c 3 7 yes. I mean, emma was there, so you ooy i mean, emma was there, so you ooy nnotnot i mean, emma was there, so you can say whether theyre posing a hoot can say whether theyre posing a tntoot tno threat or not. I mean, the botto threat or not. I mean, the bottoootouo threat or not. I mean, the police argue there threat or not. I mean, the policeargue there were police seem to argue there were notoott police seem to argue there were werefor locking police seem to argue there were were for locking on. Were equipped for locking on. No were equipped for locking on. No tnotoo were equipped for locking on. And theres some were equipped for locking on. And theres some dispute about nnotnot and theres some dispute about nnotnot tnoy and theres some dispute about whether theyor and theres some dispute about whether they or not and the whether they were or not and the ooutbnont tuot whether they were or not and the ooutbnont tuot to| equipment they had was just to noto equipment they had was just to holdbanners equipment they had was just to hold banners together for hold their banners together for boobto hold their banners together for peopleallowed people should be allowed to notoot people should be allowed to notootlny people should be allowed to notootlnyto people should be allowed to protest my to the protest. My advice to the notoototo protest. My advice to the protesters would be, dont do it on o ooy protesters would be, dont do it on o ooy uto protesters would be, dont do it on a day like this. Protesters would be, dont do it on a day like this. Dont ruin it on a day like this. Dont ruin to too on a day like this. Dont ruin to too otnot on a day like this. Dont ruin it for other people. But they ott it for other people. But they ottt nono it for other people. But they still have the it for other people. But they still have the right to do it. Snouto still have the right to do it. Snouto tnoy still have the right to do it. Should they want to. I agree not should they want to. I agree not you. Should they want to. I agree with you, nigel. w should they want to. I agree with you, nigel. W w with you, nigel. And actually, i think police have been quite think the police have been quite heavy theyve shown heavy handed, but theyve shown what do. So the next what they can do. So the next time have a just stop time we have a Just Stop Oil protest blocking roads and protest blocking the roads and the saying we cant the police are saying we cant do anything, a lie. Do anything, clearly its a lie. Yeah, obviously they can do something about it. I mean, all this to something about it. I mean, all thisto changes something about it. I mean, all thisto changes in. Something about it. I mean, alli thisto changes in the this goes back to changes in the onno this goes back to changes in the ont this goes back to changes in the crime and policing this goes back to changes in the crime and policing act from last yoon crime and policing act from last yoon tno crime and policing act from last yoon to non crime and policing act from last year. The new legislation which oononnton year. The new legislation which came whichlower came through, which is a lower bar came through, which is a lower bot tot came through, which is a lower bar for arresting came through, which is a lower bar for arresting protesters. Came through, which is a lower bar policeesting protesters. Came through, which is a lower bar police decidedytesters. Came through, which is a lower bar police decided to sters. Came through, which is a lower bar police decided to make that came through, which is a lower bar ptbar, decided to make that came through, which is a lower bar ptbar, the ided to make that came through, which is a lower bar ptbar, the norm 10 make that came through, which is a lower bar ptbar, the norm today. That came through, which is a lower bar ptbar, the norm today. Bat lower bar, the norm today. Is it a lower bar, the norm today. Is it o toubto lower bar, the norm today. Is it a double standard, lower bar, the norm today. Is it a double standard, emma . I lower bar, the norm today. C wwtc. W . . W7 i think a double standard, emma . I think we have tier a double standard, emma . I think we. Have tier policing. A double standard, emma . I think we. Have tier policing. I we do have tier policing. I obootutoty we do have tier policing. I absolutely think we do have tier policing. I absolutely think that we have have serious double standards and in way that and inequality in the way that different groups are treated by the police, different protest groups, group groups, whether theyre group that , you know, promoting that is, you know, promoting objectives are fashionable objectives that are fashionable at the time or whether theyre not. I disagree with this new legislation. And i think the people absolutely do have the right to protest. I dont know what the details were as to why exactly they were arrested. I only popped in the morning to only popped in in the morning to have a little poke around and wasnt actually there at the time. Mention to me time. Somebody did mention to me who crowd, said that who was in the crowd, said that they that they some they thought that they had some kind audio equipment, maybe they thought that they had some kind were dio equipment, maybe they thought that they had some kind were planning ment, maybe they thought that they had some kind were planning on nt, maybe they thought that they had some kind were planning on shoutingz they were planning on shouting over the procession or something, perhaps would something, which perhaps would be violation of new be in violation of that new legislation its legislation. I dont know. Its just a of common decency, just a lack of common decency, isnt it . I think that the new legislation is heavy handed. I think all they to do think that all they had to do was actually enforce the laws that existed to that already existed in order to deal protesters like just that already existed in order to deal Oil Protesters like just that already existed in order to deal oil andttesters like just that already existed in order to deal oil and others like just that already existed in order to deal oil and others who just that already existed in order to deal oil and others who are stop oil and others who are doing like criminal doing things like criminal damage breaking law in damage or breaking the law in other absolutely, other ways. So absolutely, i think they have the right to protest. I also think that theyre wrong and think theyre wrong and i think theyre wrong and i think theyre tiny minority theyre a tiny minority of people. Think that having people. And i think that having an elected of would an elected head of state would be enormously divisive. Absolutely on. Ithink be enormously divisive. Absolutely on. I think we absolutely spot on. I think we all absolutely spot on. I think we ob ogtoo absolutely spot on. I think we ob ootoo on absolutely spot on. I think we all agree on far absolutely spot on. I think we all agree on farmuch, cw;3 . Wt i think we all agree on far much, but all agree on far too much, but tnotoo all agree on far too much, but tnotoonoto all agree on far too much, but theresmorelcomel all agree on far too much, but. Theresmorelcome this theres plenty more to come this otontno oonool evening on my common sense otuoooo evening on my common sense otuoooo nont evening on my common sense otuoooo noxt un evening on my common sense crusade next up, we will be otoouootng crusade next up, we will be discussing whether or not the coronotton discussing whether or not the coronation anti catholic this. Join us here on gb news. The peoples channel britain is watching. The peoples channel britain is watching. Welcome the peoples channel britain is watching. Welcome back to the watching. Welcome back to the f 3 welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the common sense crusade with me, too tototono common sense crusade with me, the reverend Calvin Robinson on your the reverend Calvin Robinson on your tv the reverend Calvin Robinson on your tv onttno the reverend Calvin Robinson on your tv online and the reverend Calvin Robinson on your tv online and on your ntotooo your tv online and on your ntotooo. Your tv online and on your wireless. The your tv online and on your wireless. The act of settlement wireless. The act of settlement in wireless. The act of settlement tn non wireless. The act of settlement tn non tutot wireless. The act of settlement in 1701 ruled out wireless. The act of settlement in 1701 ruled out any catholics or in 1701 ruled out any catholics on not in 1701 ruled out any catholics or their spouses in 1701 ruled out any catholics or their spouses from becoming monoton or their spouses from becoming nononn. Tno or their spouses from becoming monarch. The legislation made it monarch. The legislation made it otoot monarch. The legislation made it otoot tnot monarch. The legislation made it otoot not no monarch. The legislation made it clear that no sovereign shall notooo clear that no sovereign shall notooo tno clear that no sovereign shall profess the popish religion or not profess the popish religion or not nony profess the popish religion or not nony o. Profess the popish religion or shall marry a. Strong language. Shall marry a. Strong language. To shall marry a. Strong language. To oovototng shall marry a. Strong language. The sovereign must promise to ubnoto the sovereign must promise to ubnoto tno the sovereign must promise to uphold the protestant succession so uphold the protestant succession oo t uphold the protestant succession oo tt booo uphold the protestant succession oo tt booo tno uphold the protestant succession so it begs the question is the coronotton so it begs the question is the coronation an so it begs the question is the coronation an anti catholic . Joining coronation an anti catholic . Joining uo coronation an anti catholic . Joining uo no coronation an anti catholic . Joining us now to discuss this is joining us now to discuss this to tonoo joining us now to discuss this is James Somerville mitchell, tobuty is James Somerville mitchell, Deputy Director is James Somerville mitchell, Deputy Director of the catholic unton. Deputy director of the catholic unton. Not Deputy Director of the catholic union. Well, james, first of all union. Well, james, first of ott to union. Well, james, first of ott to t union. Well, james, first of all, is it anti catholic . Well cotnonno. All, is it anti catholic . Well catherine, good all, is it anti catholic . Well catherine, good evening. C catherine, good evening. Its great catherine, good evening. Its gtoot to catherine, good evening. Its not to bo catherine, good evening. Its great to be with catherine, good evening. Its great to be with you catherine, good evening. Its great to be with you again. Thank you for coming on. Is it anti catholic . I think its definitely pro christian, right . I was really struck by the Service Today by just how overtly christian it is in the very first words you heard today , they were i come in his name and after his example , ill not and after his example, ill not to be served, but to serve. And to be served, but to serve. And i think all christians watching that could find common cause with the example of our of our lord, whether its anti catholic , i think weve got a lot better. So 100 years ago in 1902, when king edward the seventh took the oath, so he swore that the catholic mass was superstitious and idolatrous. So weve come a and idolatrous. So weve come a long way since then. Clearly the long way since then. Clearly the oath that king charles swore today, he swore to be a faithful all protestant and that his heirs and successors would be protestant. But i think he really went out of his way in the prayers before that oath and in the greeting he gave to faith leaders afterwards to make it clear that he would be a leader for people of all faiths and none. For people of all faiths and none. So i think for catholics none. So i think for catholics today, its a great moment of celebration. I today, its a great moment of celebration. I like your stance. Celebration. I like your stance. Ano celebration. I like your stance. Ant tot celebration. I like your stance. No ton to celebration. I like your stance. And for the first celebration. I like your stance. And for the first time, and for the first time, obvtouoty and for the first time, obviously, since the reformation. Tnoto obviously, since the reformation nae no obviously, since the reformation nae o obviously, since the reformation , there was a Catholic Bishop tntonoo , there was a Catholic Bishop tnvonoo tn , there was a Catholic Bishop involved in the , there was a Catholic Bishop involved in the coronation ootuotty involved in the coronation actually giving involved in the coronation actually giving gods blessing tontno actually giving gods blessing tottng tn actually giving gods blessing to king in cardinal nichols. To the king in cardinal nichols. I to the king in cardinal nichols. Ttnouont to the king in cardinal nichols. T tnougnt tnot to the king in cardinal nichols. I thought that was amazing to see christian i thought that was amazing to see Christian Unity and also the popes see Christian Unity and also the boooo soototony see Christian Unity and also the popes secretary of state, contnot popes secretary of state, cardinal parolin, was here, too. Ton cardinal parolin, was here, too. Ton tnot cardinal parolin, was here, too. Ton to to cardinal parolin, was here, too. Now that is significant. I tbouobt now that is significant. I thought, okay, this is great. Cnnotton thought, okay, this is great. Christian protestants Christian Unity. Protestants cotnotoo Christian Unity. Protestants catholics coming together in cnnot. Catholics coming together in christ. However catholics coming together in christ. However the response has not boon christ. However the response has not boon tnot christ. However the response has not been that way christ. However the response has not been that way online. So obttouoty not been that way online. So obvtouoty. Not been that way online. So obviously , the not been that way online. So obviously , the pope gave a true obviously, the pope gave a true noto obviously, the pope gave a true totto ot obviously, the pope gave a true not ob tno obviously, the pope gave a true relic of the true obviously, the pope gave a true relic of the true cross to the king relic of the true cross to the king to relic of the true cross to the king to but relic of the true cross to the king to but tn relic of the true cross to the king to put in his cross for the noooooton king to put in his cross for the procession. Again king to put in his cross for the procession. Again i thought that was procession. Again i thought that otoot. Procession. Again i thought that otoot. N procession. Again i thought that was great. A lot procession. Again i thought that was great. A lot of procession. Again i thought that was great. A lot of catholics novtno was great. A lot of catholics having commenting, why are we ottontno having commenting, why are we allowing this . Having commenting, why are we allowing this . Because it is a noto allowing this . Because it is a toto nnooo allowing this . Because it is a fake mass with allowing this . Because it is a fake mass with with a with a noto fake mass with with a with a toto ooo fake mass with with a with a fake set arnie fake mass with with a with a fake set arnie a fake mass with with a with a fake set arnie a fake sacrament ont fake set arnie a fake sacrament on no fake set arnie a fake sacrament on no noto fake set arnie a fake sacrament on no novo o fake set arnie a fake sacrament and we have a lot fake set arnie a fake sacrament and we have a lot of protestants ooobtoytng and we have a lot of protestants ooobtoytno. And we have a lot of protestants ooobtoytno. Ton. And we have a lot of protestants cosplaying. Now, that doesnt cosplaying. Now, that doesnt oouno cosplaying. Now, that doesnt out to cosplaying. Now, that doesnt out to no cosplaying. Now, that doesnt sound to me Christian Unity, but is sound to me Christian Unity, but to onto sound to me Christian Unity, but to to o sound to me Christian Unity, but is this a common sound to me Christian Unity, but is this a common kind of conception . Is this a common kind of conception . Is this a common kind of conception . � ft� w;cc is this a common kind of conception . Well, i think you have to cast your mind back to 1953, when her late majesty was crowned and at that ceremony , crowned and at that ceremony, the papal delegation waited outside the abbey. You know, outside the abbey. You know, they werent even involved in they werent even involved in the in the ceremony. So weve come an awful long way. And i think there is often a tendency to look at things and to think that things could be so much better. And thats true. I think there is still a way to go in terms of improving on interfaith dialogue. But my goodness me, i mean, weve come such a long way, you know, from 1953 when the papal delegation waited outside the abbey, you know , outside the abbey, you know, today we had cardinal nichols, the leader of the Catholic Church in england and wales , church in england and wales, part of the ceremony taking part in those in those prayers as you mentioned, the holy father, pope francis, gave true relic of francis, gave a true relic of the cross to king charles to use as part of the ceremony. So weve come a long way and, you know, i think to those people who are frustrated with todays ceremony, i would say that , you ceremony, i would say that, you know, your minds back to know, cast your minds back to where were 70 years ago. I where we were 70 years ago. I think weve come awful long think weve come an awful long way. And you know, when charles, this monarch , professes to be this monarch, professes to be defender the faith , i think defender of the faith, i think he says that, you know, yes, on the one hand, to uphold the protestant faith, but through his words and his deeds, he showed that he wants to represent and support people of all faiths. And i think all faiths. And i think catholics and people of all faiths can draw great, great strength and comfort from that. Im with you on that. And i think actually, im with you on that. And i think actually, when think actually, when we look at the think actually, when we look at too utoot think actually, when we look at the nigel farage, think actually, when we look at the nigel farage, the 2013 settlement the nigel farage, the 2013 settlement act that now the monoton settlement act that now the monarch can settlement act that now the monarch can marry a catholic. So in monarch can marry a catholic. So tn tno monarch can marry a catholic. So tn tno tututo monarch can marry a catholic. So in the future we monarch can marry a catholic. So in the future we could even have a in the future we could even have o nbot in the future we could even have ontxoo nontooo in the future we could even have a mixed marriage monarchy, which nouto a mixed marriage monarchy, which nouto bo a mixed marriage monarchy, which would be strengthening the relationship would be strengthening the relationship between rome and contotbuny relationship between rome and contotbuty. Relationship between rome and contotbuty. N relationship between rome and canterbury. C w relationship between rome and canterbury. C w canterbury. It would be interesting. I mean, as you say, it was only ten years ago that if married into the royal if you married into the royal family, you had to give up your if you married into the royal familytoou had to give up your if you married into the royal familyto theiad to give up your if you married into the royal familyto the throne. Iive up your if you married into the royal familyto the throne. Andip your if you married into the royal familyto the throne. And that ur claim to the throne. And that was of the last acts of her was one of the last acts of her late majesty the queen, making sure that if he married the royal you didnt have royal family, you didnt have to. It wasnt a choice between your faith or the or the crown. Huge progress on that front. Huge progress on that front. There is further to go. Of there is further to go. Of course there is. But i think today is a great day for celebration and to recognise how far weve come. I mean, looking back to 1902, as i was saying , back to 1902, as i was saying, when king edward the seventh said the catholic mass was superstitious and idolatrous and weve come so far from then and actually i think having a defender of the faith is very appealing for people who are of different faiths because in a world that feels increasingly hostile all to people who have any faith, having someone there who was overtly a defender of the faith is very comforting and in fact, if we look at the Coronation Service itself, it has maintained its catholicity even throughout the protestant reformation. So thats something to ottno reformation. So thats something to otng on reformation. So thats something to otng on to. Reformation. So thats something to cling on to. Lets t . Wt so thats something to cling on to. Lets have a toot to cling on to. Lets have a tootnbot to cling on to. Lets have a lookwhat you to cling on to. Lets have a look what you guys have been look at what you guys have been ooytno look at what you guys have been ooytnoltno look at what you guys have been saying the crusader comments. Saying in the crusader comments. No saying in the crusader comments. No. Saying in the crusader comments. No. Bototo saying in the crusader comments. This. Before we saying in the crusader comments. This. Before we take a final this. Before we take a final brook. This. Before we take a final neat, not this. Before we take a final break, well have a look at what yoo break, well have a look at what yoo boon break, well have a look at what youve been saying break, well have a look at what youve been saying about todays tootoo youve been saying about todays tobtoo. Ant youve been saying about todays tobtoo. Nno tony youve been saying about todays topics. And tony says, i think no topics. And tony says, i think the coronation topics. And tony says, i think the coronation was as good as it count the coronation was as good as it oontboon. The coronation was as good as it could been. Christian wise. Could have been. Christian wise. I could have been. Christian wise. Ttntnt could have been. Christian wise. T tntntnoo could have been. Christian wise. I think was honoured i think the bible was honoured ont i think the bible was honoured and representatives of and inviting representatives of otnot and inviting representatives of otnotnoo and inviting representatives of otnotnoo on other faiths was an acknowledgement that king acknowledgement that the king was acknowledgement that the king oooonoty acknowledgement that the king waseveryone who acknowledgement that the king was everyone who lives in was over everyone who lives in bntotn was over everyone who lives in bntotn not was over everyone who lives in bntotn not not was over everyone who lives in britain, not just christians. Britain, not just christians. Ano britain, not just christians. No not britain, not just christians. No not to britain, not just christians. And that is a britain, not just christians. And that is a very fair point. Tonyo and that is a very fair point. Tonytot and that is a very fair point. Tony,for that. And that is a very fair point. | tony,for that. God tony, thank you for that. God was honoured, tony, thank you for that. God was honoured, even though a lot of was honoured, even though a lot ot boobto was honoured, even though a lot ot boobto ntgbt was honoured, even though a lot of people might not have been bottovoto. Of people might not have been believers. This of people might not have been believers. This is of people might not have been believers. This is the inherited tottoton believers. This is the inherited tototon ot believers. This is the inherited religion of our believers. This is the inherited religion of our country and it wont religion of our country and it nouttlntong religion of our country and it wouldwrong to religion of our country and it would wrong to mix islamic or would be wrong to mix islamic or ttntu would be wrong to mix islamic or ttnou ot would be wrong to mix islamic or hindu or whatever would be wrong to mix islamic or hindu or whatever with a cnnotton hindu or whatever with a Christian Service. Yeah i mean, nttttng Christian Service. Yeah i mean, nttttno ott Christian Service. Yeah i mean, hitting all the Christian Service. Yeah i mean, hitting all the nails on the boot hitting all the nails on the boot tboto hitting all the nails on the head there, tony. Thank you for not. Head there, tony. Thank you for tbot to head there, tony. Thank you for tbot to tn head there, tony. Thank you for tbot to tn ooy. That. Beryl wrote to in say, contn that. Beryl wrote to in say, calvin, this that. Beryl wrote to in say, calvin, this country in ouototton calvin, this country in quotation marks, all which cnotoo quotation marks, all which cnotoo to quotation marks, all which charles is king quotation marks, all which charles is king of, is not just tngtont charles is king of, is not just england. There charles is king of, is not just england. There is a union. Its oottoo england. There is a union. Its called united england. There is a union. Its called United Kingdom of great bntotn called United Kingdom of great not on called United Kingdom of Great Britain or great called United Kingdom of Great Britain or Great Britain. Well, yes, britain or Great Britain. Well, yoo. T britain or Great Britain. Well, yoo. T to britain or Great Britain. Well, yoo. T to. Britain or Great Britain. Well, yoo. T to. Tto britain or Great Britain. Well, yes, it is. Its called the yes, it is. Its called the unttoo yes, it is. Its called the United Kingdom of britain United Kingdom of Great Britain and United Kingdom of Great Britain on bottom United Kingdom of Great Britain and northern ireland. Absolutely. And northern ireland. Absolutely. Im with you. I oont absolutely. Im with you. I oont tnon absolutely. Im with you. I dont know what your comment oonoottno t dont know what your commentj correcting i would correcting me on. What i would say correcting me on. What i would ooyobo correcting me on. What i would saythe service correcting me on. What i would say the service itself say is that the service itself noono say is that the service itself noono tno say is that the service itself was and the service was english and the service toot was english and the service ttoott noo was english and the service itself has maintained its englishness itself has maintained its englishness 10th englishness from the 10th oontuny englishness from the 10th oontuty. So englishness from the 10th century. So weve weve notntotnoo century. So weve weve maintained that service itself, ottnouon maintained that service itself, ottnougn no maintained that service itself, although we are maintained that service itself, although we are one country, we ott although we are one country, we can still have although we are one country, we can still have elements of englishness. Can still have elements of englishness. Its not something to bo englishness. Its not something to be ashamed englishness. Its not something to be ashamed of, englishness. Its not something to be ashamed of, even though noto tnoton were british, were english too. Were british, were english too. Coming were british, were english too. Contng ub were british, were english too. Coming up in the final part too. Coming up in the filial part of too. Coming up in the final part ot ny too. Coming up in the final part of my comments, too. Coming up in the final part of my comments, crusade this noon to of my comments, crusade this noon to tnoi week, well be talking to the nonotobto week, well be talking to the venerable john. Week, well be talking to the. Venerable john about venerable dr. Hassan john about the venerable dr. Hassan john about tno ot venerable dr. Hassan john about the of christians venerable dr. Hassan john about the of christians ini the persecution of christians in utoono the persecution of christians in noono. Welcome back , erg earlier on welcome back, erg earlier on onto welcome back, erg earlier on to noon welcome back, erg earlier on to noon no welcome back, erg earlier on this week, we invited we were tnvttoo this week, we invited we were tnvttot to this week, we invited we were invited to swear this week, we invited we were invited to swear allegiance to the invited to swear allegiance to too nng. Invited to swear allegiance to too nng. So invited to swear allegiance to too nng. So t invited to swear allegiance to the king. So i took to twitter ont the king. So i took to twitter ono ootot the king. So i took to twitter and asked, did the king. So i took to twitter and asked, did you swear a ttoogo and asked, did you swear a ttoooo ot and asked, did you swear a pledge of allegiance to the king in pledge of allegiance to the king tn nbo pledge of allegiance to the king in his coronation . Pledge of allegiance to the king in his coronation . Today the answers were either long live to answers were either long live tnotono answers were either long live tnotong noy answers were either long live the long may the king live the king long may the king live totovot the king long may the king live forever or republican cringe and are forever or republican cringe and tno forever or republican cringe and are the results forever or republican cringe and are the results are forever or republican cringe and are the results are quite outbnotno are the results are quite surprising, actually. Thats the otoooot surprising, actually. Thats the otoooot bott surprising, actually. Thats the closest poll weve surprising, actually. Thats the closest poll weve had so far. Oono closest poll weve had so far. Oono ot closest poll weve had so far. Oono ot you closest poll weve had so far. 66 of you said closest poll weve had so far. 66 of you said long live the king 66 of you said long live the king onty 66 of you said long live the king onty. 66 of you said long live the king only 4 of 66 of you said long live the king only 4 of you said may the king king only 4 of you said may the king to king only 4 of you said may the king live forever, king only 4 of you said may the king live forever, but 29 of you king live forever, but 29 of you oo king live forever, but 29 of you onnoo king live forever, but 29 of you are cringe republicans. Im so you are cringe republicans. Im oo oony you are cringe republicans. Im oo oony to you are cringe republicans. Im oo oony to noon you are cringe republicans. Im so sorry to hear that. Now two so sorry to hear that. Now two cotnoto so sorry to hear that. Now two catholic priests so sorry to hear that. Now two catholic priests have been ttonobboo catholic priests have been ttonobboo tn catholic priests have been kidnapped in the nigerian delta. Unfortunately, kidnapped in the nigerian delta. Unfortunately, the kidnapping of christians. Unfortunately, the kidnapping of christians is. Unfortunately, the kidnapping of christians is not a rare occurrence in of christians is not a rare occurrence in nigeria. So occurrence in nigeria. So joining occurrence in nigeria. So joining no occurrence in nigeria. So joining no to occurrence in nigeria. So joining me to discuss this ongoing joining me to discuss this ongoing crisis joining me to discuss this ongoing crisis is the venerable bootot ongoing crisis is the venerable doctor hassan. Ongoing crisis is the venerable doctor hassan. John, thank you nony doctor hassan. John, thank you tony muon doctor hassan. John, thank you nony nuon tot doctor hassan. John, thank you very much for joining doctor hassan. John, thank you very much forjoining us doctor hassan. John, thank you very much for joining us today to tott very much for joining us today to talk about very much for joining us today to talk about this very much for joining us today to talk about this serious topic. Con to talk about this serious topic. Con you to talk about this serious topic. Con you ooon to talk about this serious topic. Can you start off, to talk about this serious topic. Can you start off, please, by town;. Can you start off, please, by totttno uo. Can you start off, please, by telling us how. Can you start off, please, by telling us how widespread persecution telling us how widespread persecution is telling us how widespread persecution is in nigeria. And persecution is in nigeria. And the persecution persecution is in nigeria. And the persecution in northern noono the persecution in northern ntoono to the persecution in northern ntoono to nony the persecution in Northern Nigeria is very wide, actually. It nigeria is very wide, actually. To too nigeria is very wide, actually. To to o nigeria is very wide, actually. It has a history. Nigeria is very wide, actually. It has a history. I nigeria is very wide, actually. It has a history. I would say to it has a history. I would say no boon it has a history. I would say no boon nony it has a history. I would say its been very subtle in the toot its been very subtle in the boot tntoo its been very subtle in the last three decades or so. But last three decades or so. But tnon last three decades or so. But ton to last three decades or so. But then it started last three decades or so. But then it started growing in tntonotty then it started growing in intensity around 2000. And by ooon intensity around 2000. And by ooon t intensity around 2000. And by ooon to no intensity around 2000. And by 2001 it now escalated, ooboototy 2001 it now escalated, especially in 2001 it now escalated, especially in the Central Region of especially in the Central Region ot ttotoou especially in the Central Region of Plateau State especially in the Central Region of Plateau State in nigeria. Ant of Plateau State in nigeria. Ant tbon of Plateau State in nigeria. And then boko of Plateau State in nigeria. And then boko haram, of Plateau State in nigeria. And then boko haram, the terrorist radical islamic group, came into the equation by 2009. And from then on it went very, very violent. And you know, i mean, its been in the news all all these years. And until now, it has not ebbed. Indeed in the last , uh, 4 or it has not ebbed. Indeed in the last, uh, 4 or 6 weeks, more than 200 people have been killed in central nigeria. And just another seven about 2 or 3 days ago. So its been persistent. I dont feel like were hearing obout dont feel like were hearing obout tnto dont feel like were hearing about this as dont feel like were hearing about this as much. And when we are about this as much. And when we noonno about this as much. And when we are hearing about about this as much. And when we are hearing about this, it seems not are hearing about this, it seems not no are hearing about this, it seems that the Mainstream Media is totbotototy that the Mainstream Media is deliberately misrepresenting the botoooutton deliberately misrepresenting the persecution anything persecution as being anything otnot persecution as being anything oononont persecution as being anything otherwork of persecution as being anything other work of muslim other than the work of muslim oxtontoto. Extremists. But its muslim oxtontoto extremists. But its muslim extremists that extremists. But its muslim extremists that trying to extremists that are trying to ooono extremists that are trying to stamp christianity in stamp out christianity in nonnotn tti stamp out christianity in northern it that Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that to oonoot Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is correct. And Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is correct. And you Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is correct. t Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is correct. w Northern Nigeria. Isnt it that is correct. W is correct. And you know why you dont hear so much about it, especially here in the west, is because there is a deliberate act by the Nigerian Government, i must say, and some maybe state actors to deny, deflect and defend the persecution against christians in the country. So theyve targeted everything else. But an attack against Christian Communities. So the Climate Change has been blamed for it a lot. And there is also this, um, you know, push back to say that, oh, a particular tribal group is being called out to be the, the terrorist organisation and things like that. But the thing is why it hasnt come in is because it creates a lot of complexity and the International Media just doesnt even know how to approach it or even how to handle it. Because when anything that seemed to come between with a conflict or between christianity and islam , a lot of christianity and islam, a lot of people just dont want to go there because they feel its a very delicate place. Its a very volatile place. Its a quagmire, and people just dont want to get to that level. Unfortunately dozens of people get killed every week. Im surprised to hear that Climate Change is being used as an excuse even over there in nigeria to the primate of nigeria spoke at the 620, which is part of the 620 in bali in november , and said that bali in november, and said that christians nigeria are facing christians in nigeria are facing genocide in slow motion. Would you say thats accurate . You say thats accurate . Exactly. You say thats accurate . Exactly. You say thats accurate . Exactly. I mean you say thats accurate . Exactly. I mean , you say thats accurate . Exactly. I mean , the you say thats accurate . Exactly. I mean , the all exactly. I mean, the all Parliamentary Group about two years ago asked the same question. Is there an unfolding genocide going on in nigeria . And i think quite a number of publications have raised that issue because so there is this strategic , uh, wiping of strategic, uh, wiping of villages and Christian Communities predominantly in central. Well, it started in central. Well, it started in northeastern nigeria with boko haram, and then eventually the cell groups of radical islamic groups and cell groups. So let me underscore the radical islamic militia groups, because what we have seen, uh , what we have seen, uh, well organised. Well equipped and strategic decimation of , of and strategic decimation of, of christian villages in central nigeria and for have been to so many villages. I mean, ive many villages. I mean, ive unfortunately had to preside as a as a christian of, you know , a as a christian of, you know, go over so many other mass graves when there are mass funerals and you hear testimonies of, you funerals and you hear testimonies of , you know, these testimonies of, you know, these victims, those that have survived, telling you about the high calibre weaponry that is used, the nana vision goggles that are involved, you know , so that are involved, you know, so were not talking about just Climate Change or clash between herders and farmers like the Nigerian Government wants the International Community to believe. But this is a strategic , uh, picking out of communities and wiping them. So we have more and wiping them. So we have more than 2. 5 million refugees from central nigeria alone. And this is record is online. But why attention hasnt been brought to this and why . You know, these this and why . You know, these things seem to just be overlooked. Its really a question that many of us in nigeria are still asking. I hear you, hassan john, thank you so much for shedding a light on this. And you you are in my prayers. This. And you you are in my prayers. And this. And you you are in my prayers. And the and you you are in my prayers. And the whole of nigeria prayers. And the whole of nigeria is prayers. And the whole of nigeria is in prayers. And the whole of nigeria is in my prayers. And to my viewers nigeria is in my prayers. And to my ii nigeria is in my prayers. And to my viewers, if you nigeria is in my prayers. And to my viewers, if you can, please iereie my viewers, if you can, please iereie re my viewers, if you can, please donate to open my viewers, if you can, please donate to open doors that opencores. Org. Donate to open doors that opencores. Org. But for now, heres opencores. Org. But for now, irereeeieeire opencores. Org. 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Asphalt eni Weather Forecast day. Asphalt eweewe Weather Forecast day. Asphalt and save the Weather Forecast day. Asphalt and save the king. Hello and god save the king. Hello were. And god save the king. Hello were. Im and god save the king. Hello there. Im greg and god save the king. Hello there. Ww i e� c there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news forecast from the met office weve got rain or showers in the forecast through the rest of the long weekend, but there will be some warm, sunny spells, particularly through sunday. You can see on weather chart, can see on the weather chart, weve brief ridge high weve got a brief ridge of High Pressure moving for sunday pressure moving in for sunday to settle for time. Settle things down for a time. But its not long before further weather systems move in from the atlantic some wet and atlantic to give some wet and windy weather. Monday. Windy weather. On monday. Its quite there through quite cloudy out there through the saturday evening. The rest of saturday evening. Patchy eastern patchy rain across the eastern side uk , largely dry side of the uk, largely dry further west, but a lot of cloud around into the early hours and the risk of some light rain and drizzle in places, some mist and murk, too. But temperatures holding up as a result, 11 or 12 degrees for many to us start degrees for many of to us start sunday morning. To best the sunshine across western parts of the grey across the the uk, quite grey across the east, particularly along the coast with some rain and drizzle in places. But should in places. But it should brighten through day brighten up here through the day. Some sunny spells developing, but risk of a few heavy but also the risk of a few heavy showers, plenty spells showers, plenty of sunny spells across of the uk, across the rest of the uk, almost unbroken in places across central southern england. And central southern england. And this lift temperatures 2122 this will lift temperatures 2122 celsius possible in the best of the sunshine into the evening time just starts to cloud over across northern ireland, western scotland and as the next set of weather systems move in some low cloud affecting eastern coast of england and scotland into the early hours and then overnight, this band of rain slowly pushes its way in affecting Western Areas and the rain could be heavy at times. The winds picking clearer skies picking up, the clearer skies holding on across the south east. Temperatures again remaining in double figures, perhaps a murky start in the south east. 1 or 2 mist and fog patches, but some sunshine, too. Elsewhere wet start to the day. Outbreaks of rain. Rain could be outbreaks of rain. Rain could be heavy at accompanied by heavy at times, accompanied by some strong winds through the irish some strong winds through the ifish and some strong winds through the irish and it just slowly irish sea and it just slowly pushes way north pushes its way north and eastwards through day. Eastwards through the day. Perhaps holding on perhaps east anglia holding on to the driest weather over the next few days into next week. It stays unsettled and stays largely unsettled and temperatures average. Its saturday night and this is its saturday night and this is we serwiew its saturday night and this is the saturday five. Its saturday night and this is the saturday five. With the saturday five. With ewerwiiiiwg the saturday five. With everything that you need for a proper everything that you need for a proper coronation everything that you need for a proper coronation after party. We proper coronation after party. We newer proper coronation after party. 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