Transcripts For GBN Calvins 20240705

Theyre going to kill us. I. Think part ofproblem is think part of the problem is that think part of the problem is thataddicted think part of the problem is that addicted to fear and that we are addicted to fear and existential that we are addicted to fear and existential threat. That we are addicted to fear and existential threat. c; existential threat. But before all that , its bethany elsey all that, its bethany elsey with the. News emma, thank you. With the. News emma, thank you. Heres with the. News emma, thank you. Heres your with the. News emma, thank you. Heres your top with the. News emma, thank you. Heres your top stories \ emma, thank you. Heres your top stories from the newsroom. The heres your top stories from the newsroom. The Prime Minister hsh newsroom. The Prime Minister hhh sum, newsroom. The Prime Minister rishi sunak, has newsroom. The Prime Minister rishi sunak, has offered his condolence rishi sunak, has offered his condolence to rishi sunak, has offered his condolence to the families of hose condolence to the families of those killed condolence to the families of those killed in condolence to the families of those killed in a condolence to the families of those killed in a train crash in hhh those killed in a train crash in hhh. Those killed in a train crash in hhh. H those killed in a train crash in india. At least those killed in a train crash in india. At least 288 people have india. At least 288 people have hed india. At least 288 people have died and india. At least 288 people have died and around india. At least 288 people have died and around 850 are injured, making died and around 850 are injured, making h died and around 850 are injured, making h he died and around 850 are injured, making it the countrys deadliest making it the countrys deadliest rail incident in more men deadliest rail incident in more hhh two deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. The army has been than two decades. The army has been deployed than two decades. The army has been deployed to than two decades. The army has been deployed to help with the eeenn been deployed to help with the eeenn enh been deployed to help with the search and rescue been deployed to help with the search and rescue operations. Search and rescue operations. Nhee search and rescue operations. Thhe hine search and rescue operations. Indias Prime Minister, narendra noni indias Prime Minister, narendra neh nee indias Prime Minister, Narendra Modi has visited indias Prime Minister, Narendra Modi has visited the site in onene modi has visited the site in odisha state modi has visited the site in odisha state sajid javid nana. Odisha state sajid javid nana. I an odisha state sajid javid nana. | an deeply odisha state sajid javid nana. I am deeply pained. Odisha state sajid javid nana. I am deeply pained. Many passengers from different states have lost something during this journey. The people who have journey. The people who have lost their lives is its beyond sad and very disturbing. The sad and very disturbing. The government will leave no stone unturned and will provide the best treatment to the people whove been injured. The relatives who weve lost cant come back. But the government is with their families in this hour of grief. Plans to disrupt the of grief. Plans to disrupt the hneen of grief. Plans to disrupt the hneen denny of grief. Plans to disrupt the epsom derby were g plans to disrupt the epsom derby were foiled as none epsom derby were foiled as Police Arrested epsom derby were foiled as Police Arrested more than 30 ennh Police Arrested more than 30 Animal Rights Police Arrested more than 30 Animal Rights protesters. I2 Animal Rights protesters. 12 people Animal Rights protesters. 12 people ewe Animal Rights protesters. 12 people were arrested at the racecourse, two people were arrested at the racecourse, two of them as they new racecourse, two of them as they new to racecourse, two of them as they new to run racecourse, two of them as they tried to run on racecourse, two of them as they tried to run on to racecourse, two of them as they tried to run on to the track. 19 etnen tried to run on to the track. 19 etnen tried to run on to the track. 19 others were detained earlier in the others were detained earlier in we hew others were detained earlier in the day. Animal others were detained earlier in the day. Animal rising activists had threatened the day. Animal rising activists had threatened to cancel the evenn had threatened to cancel the event saving had threatened to cancel the event, saying they wanted to pretee event, saying they wanted to protect tne event, saying they wanted to protect the horses and were whhng protect the horses and were whhne to protect the horses and were willing to put protect the horses and were willing to put their bodies on the willing to put their bodies on tne hne. Willing to put their bodies on tne hne. Tnev willing to put their bodies on the line. They accused police of housing the line. They accused police of abusing tneh the line. They accused police of abusing their powers. A woman in her abusing their powers. A woman in new tee abusing their powers. A woman in new tee noe abusing their powers. A woman in her 70s has died abusing their powers. A woman in her 70s has died following a dog ottoot her 70s has died following a dog ottoet tn her 70s has died following a dog attack in warwickshire. The incident attack in warwickshire. The incident took attack in warwickshire. The incident took place on kathleen avene incident took place on kathleen avenue tn incident took place on kathleen avenue in warwickshire yesterday ottevnoon avenue in warwickshire yesterday ottevnoon. Avenue in warwickshire yesterday ottevnoon. A avenue in warwickshire yesterday afternoon. A man avenue in warwickshire yesterday afternoon. A man and a woman afternoon. A man and a woman nove afternoon. A man and a woman nove teen afternoon. A man and a woman have been arrested afternoon. A man and a woman have been arrested on suspicion of have been arrested on suspicion ot novtng have been arrested on suspicion ot novtne o have been arrested on suspicion of having a dangerously out of oontvot of having a dangerously out of oontvot hoe of having a dangerously out of control dog and of having a dangerously out of control dog and owning a banned tweet control dog and owning a banned tweet. Control dog and owning a banned tweet. Ant control dog and owning a banned breed. And Manchester City have breed. And Manchester City have beaten breed. And Manchester City have beaten manchester breed. And Manchester City have beaten Manchester United 2 1 to win tne beaten Manchester United 2 1 to win tne ht beaten Manchester United 2 1 to win tne ht cup beaten Manchester United 2 1 to win the fa cup final at wembley. Htov win the fa cup final at wembley. Htov euntooon win the fa cup final at wembley. Ilkay gundogan scored after 12 seconds. Thats Ilkay Gundogan scored after 12 seconds. Thats the fastest goal in seconds. Thats the fastest goal tn ht seconds. Thats the fastest goal n we cup seconds. Thats the fastest goal tn ht cup ttnot seconds. Thats the fastest goal in fa cup final history. Hnttete in fa cup final history. Uniteds Bruno Fernandes epuotteet uniteds Bruno Fernandes equalised scoring a penalty at 33 equalised scoring a penalty at so ntnutee equalised scoring a penalty at 33 minutes, but equalised scoring a penalty at 33 minutes, but gundogan scored onotnev 33 minutes, but gundogan scored onotnev to 33 minutes, but gundogan scored another to restore 33 minutes, but gundogan scored another to restore citys lead in another to restore citys lead tn tne another to restore citys lead in the second another to restore citys lead in the second half cities. Now on course to complete the tnette on course to complete the treble, winning on course to complete the treble, winning the premier teoeue treble, winning the premier teooue ht treble, winning the premier league ht cup treble, winning the premier League Fa Cup and champions teoeue League Fa Cup and champions teogue tn League Fa Cup and Champions League tn tne League Fa Cup and Champions League in the same season, which totes league in the same season, which totes ptooe league in the same season, which takes place next league in the same season, which takes place next saturday. Hee takes place next saturday. Heres some takes place next saturday. Heres some fan reaction. Heres some fan reaction. Im nteotutetv heres some fan reaction. Im absolutely elated heres some fan reaction. Im absolutely elated to out of three were going to do the treble. Were going to take it treble. Were going to take it from them after a whole history of hurt , 100 from them after a whole history of hurt ,100 odd years of them of hurt, 100 odd years of them being all over us. But this this is our year. This is our time. Not very happy, obviously. Not very happy, obviously. Extremely disappointing. I think extremely disappointing. I think we not extremely disappointing. I think we not ou extremely disappointing. I think we had our chances and actually , we tetteve we had our chances and actually , we believe we we had our chances and actually , we believe we had a good concen , we believe we had a good oonoen ot , we believe we had a good chance of beating city today. Het chance of beating city today. Ttnt goat. Chance of beating city today. Hut goat. Ts chance of beating city today. First goal, 15 seconds chance of beating city today. First goal, 15 seconds in first goal, 15 seconds in seconds. 15 seconds. And ive just lost for words. Lost for words, a bit dejected. Living in words, a bit dejected. Living in city shattered last 4 or 5 years. Its obviously not what we want, but probably whats expected. In all. In all honesty , yeah. A bit of a reality check for united europe to date on gb news. Now its back to emma. News. Now its back to emma. L we news. Now its back to emma. L we ott news. Now its back to emma. I we at not news. Now its back to emma. Its all bad news, news. Now its back to emma. Its all bad news, im afraid. News. Now its back to emma. Its all ltapesws, im afraid. News. Now its back to emma. Its all ltapes newm afraid. News. Now its back to emma. Its all ltapes new rehangi last week the tapes new rehang dumped paintings like waterhouses lady of shalott in the name of inclusivity. This the name of inclusivity. This week, the National Trust has announced its preparing a policy for the restitution of colonial artefacts. But what does that mean . I dont know does that mean . I dont know about you, but after the National Trust produced what looked to me like a poorly researched , naughty list of researched, naughty list of Historical Properties , i dont Historical Properties, i dont exactly trust them with that heritage that theyre supposed to be caring for. The trust has over 1000 items from south and east asia in its care. Some of these are at powis castle in wales, the family seat of clive of india , and his son edward, of india, and his son edward, born in 1725. Clive was the first governor of bengal. Born in 1725. Clive was the first governor of bengal. His son edward was the governor of madras and one of the objects in question is a portion of a sultans tent taken in battle. But now the Indian Government are turning up the heat, with modi demanding the so called repatriation of artefacts. I think not without cynical political motives either. You political motives either. You may not know this, but in january, a museum in glasgow was the first giving a 14th century sword to india for the Horniman Museum in south london sent 72 artefacts acts to nigeria and the Charity Commission , the Charity Commission, dismissing objections, gave permission to the Cambridge Museum of archaeology and anthropology erg to hand over more than 100 artefacts to nigeria. The list goes on and nigeria. The list goes on and quietly behind closed doors, our museums are being undermined by naive , guilt ridden curators who naive, guilt ridden curators who were treating artefacts as if they were their own private property , be within their rights property, be within their rights to just give away the reality is this repatriation business is not as clear cut as theyre making out. Lets look at the making out. Lets look at the Benin Bronzes , for example. When Benin Bronzes, for example. When germany sent the bronzes back to nigeria , they reportedly did so nigeria, they reportedly did so on the guarantee that they would be on public display. Instead, they ended up in the hands of they ended up in the hands of the king of benin , whose the king of benin, whose ancestors get this were slave traders who commissioned the bronzes. When the bronzes were bronzes. When the bronzes were taken , the kingdom of benin was taken, the kingdom of benin was one of the most brutal slaving nafionsin one of the most brutal slaving nations in the world. Well over 100,000 slaves passed through ports controlled by the by the benin slave traders on their way to america as the historian robert tombs has pointed out, the British Expedition in which the British Expedition in which the bronzes were actually in which the bronzes were taken, actually led to the abolition of the slave trade in benin. And the slave trade in benin. And that was a response to the massacre of unarmed brits and african porters. The right of african porters. The right of the king of benin to these artefacts is also dispute owed, including by a group of African American descendants of slaves who filed a lawsuit to stop the Smithsonian Museum from returning bronzes to nigeria. Returning bronzes to nigeria. And what about that literal jewel in the crown . The corner jewel in the crown . The corner diamond . It was legally gifted to Queen Victoria by the child maharaja of punjab , though maharaja of punjab, though admittedly, he had little choice in the matter. But does admittedly, he had little choice in the matter. But does the in the matter. But does the modern state of india have a right to it after it was extracted by slave labour under a hindu dynasty, it entered the hands of their muslim successors. It was the first it was first recorded in the 16th century in the possession of the first Mughal Emperor before it was taken in the in the 18th century by an iranian conqueror. When he was assassinated. It ended up in the hands of one of his generals who became the ruler of the new afghan dynasty. A sikh ruler then came to own it after he had helped the afghan king to retake his throne. These are all points that have been highlighted by the British Indian history in zareer masani. So who has claim india , iran, so who has claim india, iran, afghanistan, pakistan . Should it afghanistan, pakistan . Should it go to the Central Government or should it go to the State Government of punjab or perhaps to the descendants of the last punjab . Who settled here punjab . King, who settled here in england , one of the most in england, one of the most insulting repatriations of all, i think, was Durham University decision to return a japanese flag taken during the Second World War as part of a decolonisation diversify creation and repatriation drive. What a disgrace. What an. What a disgrace. What an inqu. What a disgrace. What an insult to people like my grandfather , who was starved and grandfather, who was starved and tortured in japanese prison camps. Acas. But that just goes camps. Acas. But that just goes to show how warped our thinking has become. It shows just how has become. It shows just how historically illiterate and reductive their vision of history is and if we dont fight this tooth and nail, our museums will lie empty. Should every object be returned to its first idenfical object be returned to its first identical, identifiable geographic provenance , artefacts geographic provenance, artefacts will be handed over to whoever shouts the loudest or whoever has the most geopolitik clout to the detriment of future future generations and academic study. Generations and academic study. Remember when a curator wrote a paper shared with staff at one of our most prestigious music firms that claimed that, quote, music firms were put in place to legitimise lies, racist ideology. Do you trust these people . People who hold their own institutions in contempt, who see the artefacts that are in their care as something to be purged and insulted as weapons in a culture war that they instigate . And the truth is , the instigate . And the truth is, the nafion instigate . And the truth is, the nation simply cannot trust the National Trust. National trust. The chairman of the National Trust said that in creating a policy on restitution, the organisation will quote, will be following the advice that has been given to all organisations by the Museums Association and the arts council. He added the arts council. He added i understand these are huge issues, provenance needs to come into it. Public access, public benefit, all of those questions, the Museums Association says the repatriation or restitution of museum items can be a powerful cultural, spiritual and symbolic act which recognise noises, past wrongs. But do let us know what you think. Vaiews gbnews. Uk or via our twitter poll , we are via our twitter poll, we are asking should museums repatriate historic artefacts . Acas now . Historic artefacts . Acas now . Experts have warned this week that Artificial Intelligence could pose a threat to humanity as serious as pandemics and nuclear war. More than 350 scientists and executives, including the boss of openai, sign a statement which said, quote , mitigating the risk of quote, mitigating the risk of extinction from al should be a global priority. A member of the uk governments ai council has also warned that some forms of ai have to be banned by government to prevent the technology from jeopardising humanity. All of which leads me humanity. All of which leads me on to this weeks jaw. Humanity. All of which leads me on to this weeks jaw. So so is on to this weeks jaw. So so is al a threat to humanity . Lets ai a threat to humanity . Lets ask my brilliant panel, the journalist and author of the upcoming book free your mind , upcoming book free your mind, Laura Dodsworth and the media personality oli london, who also has a book coming out called gender madness that will be released later this year. So laura, do you think that that we are as a as a species threatened by Artificial Intelligence . I think the first thing that should alert you in this story is the extremely inflammatory language. Theyre is the extremely inflammatory language. Theyre talking about language. Theyre talking about a mass extinction 33 theyre talking about a mass extinction event from a twent a mass extinction event from a wont ne a mass extinction event from a brand new technology. Its like i brand new technology. Its like t set brand new technology. Its like t set out brand new technology. Its like t set out ot brand new technology. Its like i set out at the brand new technology. Its like i set out at the beginning, if you i set out at the beginning, if you remember i set out at the beginning, if you remember the y2k bug, we tott you remember the y2k bug, we were told that you remember the y2k bug, we were told that planes were going to tott were told that planes were going to tott out were told that planes were going to tott out ot were told that planes were going to fall out of the were told that planes were going to fall out of the sky, banks woutt to fall out of the sky, banks would crash. To fall out of the sky, banks would crash. You to fall out of the sky, banks would crash. You wouldnt be otte would crash. You wouldnt be otteloooeee would crash. You wouldnt be able access money when able to access your money when all able to access your money when ott ovev able to access your money when ott ovev ot all the zeros turned over at once. Now within all the zeros turned over at once. Now within 23 years, once. And now within 23 years,| weep e going were told computers are going to tte were told computers are going to its another were told computers are going. To its another mass to be so smart its another mass evttnotton to be so smart its another mass extinction event. To be so smart its another mass extinction event. I to be so smart its another mass extinction event. I think what hens extinction event. I think what otene ne extinction event. I think what alerts me about extinction event. I think what alerts me about this story is he alerts me about this story is he tonouoee alerts me about this story is the language is alerts me about this story is the language is so extreme and all the language is so extreme and ott tne the language is so extreme and at tne peopte the language is so extreme and all the people behind ai and big teen all the people behind ai and big teen noev all the people behind ai and big tech whove been all the people behind ai and big tech whove been working on it for tech whove been working on it to wean tech whove been working on it to weave ove tech whove been working on it for years are only tech whove been working on it for years are only just saying now for years are only just saying now how threatening it is. Just wnen now how threatening it is. Just when regulation now how threatening it is. Just when regulation is on the table. Its when regulation is on the table. He otnoet when regulation is on the table. 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Theres a story in the telegraph today about how the in the telegraph today about how tne epent in the telegraph today about how tne epent anz the government spent £1. 2 ntttton the government spent £1. 2 million with the government spent £1. 2 million with logic, which is an ai million with logic, which is an at ttvn million with logic, which is an at ttvn tn million with logic, which is an ai firm in order million with logic, which is an ai firm in order to million with logic, which is an ai firm in order to monitor nvttten ai firm in order to monitor british citizens ai firm in order to monitor british citizens who were evpeeetne british citizens who were expressing anti vaccine eenttnent expressing anti Vaccine Sentiment as expressing anti Vaccine Sentiment as it was seen. And so the governments sentiment as it was seen. And so the governments argument for hot the governments argument for hot woutt the governments argument for that would be the governments argument for that would be that it they were twtng that would be that it they were twtng to that would be that it they were twtno to protect that would be that it they were trying to protect people in a pontento trying to protect people in a pontento. Trying to protect people in a pandemic. But trying to protect people in a pandemic. But what it led to was pandemic. But what it led to was the surveillance, pandemic. But what it led to was the surveillance, monitoring and the surveillance, monitoring and he renovat the surveillance, monitoring and the removal ultimately of legal but the removal ultimately of legal tut novntut the removal ultimately of legal but harmful content as its known but harmful content as its known ot but harmful content as its known of british citizens. So wnton known of british citizens. So wnton woe known of british citizens. So which was the known of british citizens. So which was the threat was ai the tweet which was the threat was ai the heat ov which was the threat was ai the tnveet on we which was the threat was ai the threat or was the which was the threat was ai the threat or was the government the tweet threat or was the government the tnveet tn threat or was the government the tnveet tn e threat or was the government the threat in a case threat or was the government the threat in a case like threat or was the government the threat in a case like that . Threat in a case like that . Wnet threat in a case like that . We to threat in a case like that . We to vou threat in a case like that . What do you think, threat in a case like that . What do you think, ollie . Do you think that the technology itself is sinister or do you think the scaremongering about the technology sinister . Well,i technology is sinister . Well, i think some technology is sinister . Well, i think some greati think laura made some great potnte think laura made some great points. Definitely think in think laura made some great points of definitely think in think laura made some great points of the nitely think in think laura made some great points of the government,� | think laura made some great points of the government, if they terms of the government, if they get ton get their hands on it, for tntenoe get their hands on it, for instance, in get their hands on it, for instance, in china, how theyve teen instance, in china, how theyve been algorithms instance, in china, how theyve been algorithms tiktok been using algorithms on tiktok and been using algorithms on tiktok end he been using algorithms on tiktok and the chinese been using algorithms on tiktok and the chinese version of down. And the chinese version of pouvtn. So and the chinese version of douyin. So when hong had douyin. So when hong kong had the Anti Government pro democracy protests , the pro democracy protests, the eteovttnn pro democracy protests, the algorithm was pro democracy protests, the algorithm was able to detect who was algorithm was able to detect who tetttne algorithm was able to detect who was talking against the government, was talking against the government, who was going eeetnet government, who was going egetnet tne government, who was going against the narrative, so they ooutt against the narrative, so they could actually against the narrative, so they could actually crack down on tnoee could actually crack down on those protesters. Could actually crack down on those protesters. And subsequently, the chinese version actually version of tiktok actually penned version of tiktok actually banned all version of tiktok actually banned all people in hong kong wttn banned all people in hong kong wttnttttote banned all people in hong kong with tiktoks banned with registered tiktoks banned all with registered tiktoks banned ehttttot with registered tiktoks banned all tiktok accounts to all of their tiktok accounts to suppress all of their tiktok accounts to suppress nee all of their tiktok accounts to suppress free speech. And in cntne suppress free speech. And in cntne ent suppress free speech. And in china and other suppress free speech. And in china and other places that have a china and other places that have e etvtet china and other places that have a strict communist china and other places that have a strict communist or dictatorship a strict communist or dictatorship , regimes, they use dictatorship, regimes, they use tneee dictatorship, regimes, they use these algorithms dictatorship, regimes, they use these algorithms to track the way these algorithms to track the wev peopte these algorithms to track the way people think. And anyone tnet way people think. And anyone tnet tees way people think. And anyone that dares to way people think. And anyone that dares to go way people think. And anyone that dares to go against the nenettve that dares to go against the narrative or that dares to go against the narrative or dares to express ovtttoet narrative or dares to express Critical Thinking narrative or dares to express Critical Thinking will be penetteet Critical Thinking will be penalised and punished. And the eteovttnn penalised and punished. And the etoontnn en penalised and punished. And the algorithm can pick up on that. So algorithm can pick up on that. So wet algorithm can pick up on that. So we to algorithm can pick up on that. So that is harmful. Algorithm can pick up on that. So that is harmful. There are, so that is harmful. There are, of course, benefits of ai, for tntenee of course, benefits of ai, for tntenee tn of course, benefits of ai, for instance, in factories. It can neve instance, in factories. It can make repetitive instance, in factories. It can make repetitive jobs easier. It eentte make repetitive jobs easier. It can the manual can remove the manual labour etenente can remove the manual labour etenenteto can remove the manual labour elements. Do think, you elements. But i do think, you know, elements. But i do think, you know ttene elements. But i do think, you know, there is elements. But i do think, you know, there is a elements. But i do think, you know, there is a risk with government know, there is a risk with government regulation, at know, there is a risk with gov same nt regulation, at know, there is a risk with gov same time,iulation, at know, there is a risk with gov same time, if ation, at know, there is a risk with gov same time, if alltn, at know, there is a risk with gov same time, if all of at know, there is a risk with gov same time, if all of the at the same time, if all of the tounteve the same time, if all of the founders of the same time, if all of the founders of all the same time, if all of the founders of all of these eonnenptee founders of all of these companies are expressing concern, thats companies are expressing concern, thats definitely wonvtne. Concern, thats definitely wonvtne. Po concern, thats definitely worrying. Jtzzt concern, thats definitely worrying. Concern, thats definitely worrying. Do you think that its possible for both of these things to be sinister . So lord things to be sinister . So lord reece, who was the former astronomer royal, he came out last week saying that he was concerned that the overreliance on al was was actually , you on al was was actually, you know, it was posing a risk because if i were to go down and we werent able to fix it, then we werent able to fix it, then we could end up with societies we werent able to fix it, then wecompleted up with societies we werent able to fix it, then wecomplete disarray. Societies we werent able to fix it, then wecomplete disarray. Societies we werent able to fix it, then wecomplete disarray. So isnts in complete disarray. So isnt it possible that those people who are scaremongering are up to something also the something sinister, but also the technology really does pose a threat that is not dissimilar from the nuclear arms race. Were already there right were already there right now. I tt were already there right now. I tt tne were already there right now. 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The hospital is hacked and all the power hospital is hacked and all the powertown hospital is hacked and all the powerdown,if hospital is hacked and all the power down, if the power goes down, what if the nunnene power goes down, what if the humansbeen power goes down, what if the humans been replaced and humans have been replaced and nuneeetn humans have been replaced and nurses been replaced and nurses have been replaced and vouve youve got all these ai machines, youve got all these ai machines, out machines, they suddenly go out teoeuee ovl because, you know, russia or enotnev because, you know, russia or another country because, you know, russia or another country hacked the another country has hacked the system another country has hacked the system tnet another country has hacked the system that could another country has hacked the system that could have detrimental system that could have detrimental you detrimental effects and, you know, detrimental effects and, you knowcount detrimental effects and, you know,could. Lost. Detrimental effects and, you know, could lost from know, lives could be lost from thet know, lives could be lost from tnet. So, know, lives could be lost from tnet. So, vou know, lives could be lost from that. So, you know, its tnponent that. So, you know, its important to that. So, you know, its important to consider as important to consider that as wett. Important to consider that asi wett. To important to consider that as wett. To my well. Thank you so much to my dualist. Plenty more to come tonight. Next, i be tonight. Next, i will be speaking prime speaking to the former Prime Minister sigmundur minister of iceland, Sigmundur Gunnlaugson. Youre watching the common sense crusade live on. Gb common sense crusade live on. Gb news on mark dolan tonight night. In my big opinion, the government g in my big opinion, the government silenced covid evtttoe government silenced covid critics during government silenced covid critics during the pandemic. 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Welcome back to the common sense ovueete welcome back to the common sense ovueete wttn welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, emma webb, on your crusade with me, emma webb, on your tw crusade with me, emma webb, on your tv onttne crusade with me, emma webb, on vountvonttne. Crusade with me, emma webb, on your tv online. And crusade with me, emma webb, on your tv online. t cit crusade with me, emma webb, on your tv online. t your tv online. And on your wireless is in scandinavia seeing a renaissance in conservative thought it certainly looked that way to me when i recently spoke at a pan scandinavian conference in finland. The conference was called nostos after the greek for homecoming. We also recently saw here in london the National Conservatism conference. So is there a renaissance happening across the western world . How woke exactly is scandinavia . And if there is a viable conservative renaissance afoot in the nordic nations, how would that impact on post Brexit Britain . Joining me to discuss britain . Joining me to discuss this is a guest who will certainly have many views on these questions is the former Prime Minister of iceland, Sigmundur Gunnlaugson , who also Sigmundur Gunnlaugson, who also spoke at the nostos conference. Its very good to see you again. Thank its very good to see you again. Thank you so much for being willing to join us tonight. So let me start by asking you if you can tell us a bit about the political situation currently in scandinavia from where you stand. Yes, but first of all, id atte. Yes, but first of all, id ttte to yes, but first of all, id like to congratulate you on wovttne like to congratulate you on wovttne ton like to congratulate you on working for the like to congratulate you on working for the uks favourite twent working for the uks favourite went. Working for the uks favourite news brand. Youve been doing a news brand. Youve been doing a greet news brand. Youve been doing a greet tot news brand. Youve been doing a greet job wttn news brand. Youve been doing a great job with with news brand. Youve been doing a great job with with your reporttng great job with with your reporting and you mentioned the hoetoe reporting and you mentioned the nostos conference reporting and you mentioned the nostos conference and the tteoueetone nostos conference and the discussions we nostos conference and the discussions we had there regeretng discussions we had there regeretng e discussions we had there regarding a possible renaissance. Vee, regarding a possible renaissance. Vee, regeretng regarding a possible renaissance. Yes, regarding i regarding a possible renaissance. Yes, regarding i would say common sense. Yes, regarding i would say common sense views. Not. Yes, regarding i would say common sense views. Not not common sense views. Not not pertteutertv common sense views. Not not pertteutertv tn common sense views. Not not particularly in every case, conservative particularly in every case, conservative views, but common sense views. However, i worry sense views. However, i worry tnet sense views. However, i worry we we sense views. However, i worry we we re sense views. However, i worry that we are still sense views. However, i worry that we are still in in trouble tnet that we are still in in trouble tnet tntnge that we are still in in trouble that things could still go quite petty that things could still go quite tettv ee that things could still go quite tettv ee tnev that things could still go quite badly as they have been tevetoptng badly as they have been developing in badly as they have been developing in including in my country developing in including in my own country of developing in including in my own country of iceland , because own country of iceland, because the own country of iceland, because tne hortto own country of iceland, because the nordic countries see themselves the nordic countries see themselves as the nordic countries see themselves as a guiding light. They themselves as a guiding light. Tnev went themselves as a guiding light. He went to themselves as a guiding light. They want to be themselves as a guiding light. They want to be better than otnere. They want to be better than otnere. Tnev they want to be better than others. They want to show the wev. Others. They want to show the wev. Tnev others. They want to show the wev. He went others. They want to show the way. They want to others. They want to show the way. They want to lead the way towerte way. They want to lead the way towards modernity way. They want to lead the way towards modernity and a better wont. Towards modernity and a better wortt. Ant towards modernity and a better wortt. Ant eo towards modernity and a better world. And so they have been eonpettng world. And so they have been eonpettng tor world. And so they have been competing for being the best at tetng competing for being the best at tetng goot competing for being the best at being good, being the good peopte being good, being the good peopte ot being good, being the good people of europe and, well, the wortt people of europe and, well, the wortt tn people of europe and, well, the world in fact. People of europe and, well, the world in fact. And people of europe and, well, the world in fact. And this has reeuttet world in fact. And this has resulted in world in fact. And this has resulted in laws world in fact. And this has resulted in laws often being mete, resulted in laws often being nete, tttte resulted in laws often being made, bills present covid with the made, bills present covid with tne etetet made, bills present covid with the stated aim made, bills present covid with the stated aim of made, bills present covid with the stated aim of getting higher on some some lists lists that nett on some some lists lists that nett out on some some lists lists that are held out by on some some lists lists that are held out by activists , are held out by activists, retntow are held out by activists, rainbow lists are held out by activists, rainbow lists and other things atte rainbow lists and other things ttte tnet. Rainbow lists and other things ttte tnet. So rainbow lists and other things like that. So in rainbow lists and other things like that. So in my country, for exempte like that. So in my country, for evenpte, tne like that. So in my country, for example, the government has repeetettv example, the government has repeetettv put example, the government has repeatedly put forth bills with a repeatedly put forth bills with e etetet repeatedly put forth bills with e etetet goet repeatedly put forth bills with a stated goal of repeatedly put forth bills with a stated goal of making us tetter a stated goal of making us better than a stated goal of making us better than others. And this has better than others. And this has led better than others. And this has tet to better than others. And this has tet to one better than others. And this has led to some pretty better than others. And this has led to some pretty disastrous teetetone led to some pretty disastrous teetetone. Led to some pretty disastrous decisions. But led to some pretty disastrous decisions. But things are eterttng decisions. But things are eterttng to decisions. But things are starting to change in some of we starting to change in some of the countries. Starting to change in some of the countries. Id starting to change in some of the countries. Id say pertteuter the countries. Id say particular in the countries. Id say particular in denmark, where the sootet particular in denmark, where the social democrats particular in denmark, where the social democrats have decided to onenge social democrats have decided to onenge tnetr social democrats have decided to change their approach regarding , tor change their approach regarding , tor exempte change their approach regarding , tor evenpte. Change their approach regarding , for example , illegal , for example, illegal immigration. , for example, illegal immigration. And this was is a immigration. And this was is a big immigration. And this was is a ttg onenge immigration. And this was is a ttg onenge tor immigration. And this was is a big change for them. And it big change for them. And it reeuttet big change for them. And it reeuttet tn big change for them. And it resulted in a big change for them. And it resulted in a lot big change for them. And it resulted in a lot of criticism, tnotuttng resulted in a lot of criticism, including from resulted in a lot of criticism, including from the icelandic soetet including from the icelandic social democrats. But they had social democrats. But they had to social democrats. But they had to we social democrats. But they had come to the conclusion that you eent come to the conclusion that you eent put come to the conclusion that you cant put together come to the conclusion that you cant put together a welfare etete cant put together a welfare etete ent cant put together a welfare state and open cant put together a welfare state and open borders. You can neve state and open borders. You can neve one state and open borders. You can have one or the state and open borders. You can have one or the other, but you eent have one or the other, but you eent neve have one or the other, but you cant have both. Have one or the other, but you cant have both. And this has teen cant have both. And this has teen gutte cant have both. And this has teen gutte e cant have both. 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So the situation now in 2023 is wet the situation now in 2023 is that iceland the situation now in 2023 is that iceland has the situation now in 2023 is that iceland has been getting eevtun that iceland has been getting more Asylum Seekers than denmark and more Asylum Seekers than denmark ent tnere more Asylum Seekers than denmark ent tnere e more Asylum Seekers than denmark and there are around more Asylum Seekers than denmark and there are around 20 times more danes than and there are around 20 times more danes than there are toetentere more danes than there are toetentere. More danes than there are icelanders. So more danes than there are icelanders. So this just goes to icelanders. So this just goes to snow icelanders. So this just goes to snow tnet icelanders. So this just goes to show that once icelanders. So this just goes to show that once the politicians teotte show that once the politicians teotte tnet show that once the politicians decide that they show that once the politicians decide that they need to change tntnge decide that they need to change tntnge, vou decide that they need to change tntnge, vou een decide that they need to change things, you can really change tnen. Things, you can really change tnen. Tut things, you can really change tnen. Tut vou things, you can really change them. But you have to be able to tottow them. But you have to be able to follow through. Them. But you have to be able to follow through. And them. But you have to be able to follow through. And we are we are follow through. And we are we not follow through. And we are we are not following follow through. And we are we are not following through on envtttng are not following through on anything, unfortunately , in anything, unfortunately, in toetent anything, unfortunately, in iceland these anything, unfortunately, in iceland these days. But but we evenptee iceland these days. But but we see examples such as in the tenten see examples such as in the tenten see examples such as in the danish case. So see examples such as in the danish case. At; see examples such as in the danish case. So how how are the people, you know, on normal people, you know, on normal people in scandinavian countries, in iceland responding to this, if there if there is a common sense renaissance acas, what kind of impact could that potentially have on a post Brexit Britain given the sort of historical close relationship that we have with the nordic nations . Hopefully if the nordic nations . Hopefully if this the nordic nations . Hopefully if we poeettte the nordic nations . Hopefully if this possible oil artur rt , hopefully if this possible Oil Renaissance oeonttnue this possible Oil Renaissance onttue tn this possible Oil Renaissance continues in the this possible Oil Renaissance continues in the nordic oeouttrte continues in the nordic countries, it continues in the nordic countries, it could have a considerable countries, it could have a considerable effect in the uk teoeuee considerable effect in the uk teoeuee ett considerable effect in the uk because all the considerable effect in the uk because all the nordic countries tove because all the nordic countries tove tte because all the nordic countries tove tne ht. Because all the nordic countries love the uk. We because all the nordic countries love the uk. We are anglophiles or ant love the uk. We are anglophiles or xwt tttee love the uk. We are anglophiles or xwt tttee. Love the uk. We are anglophiles or xml files. We love the uk. We are anglophiles or xml files. We love your or xml files. We love your history or xml files. We love your history your or xml files. We love your history, your culture and evervtntng history, your culture and everything about the uk. So we went everything about the uk. So we went to everything about the uk. So we went to te everything about the uk. So we want to be your everything about the uk. So we want to be your friends. More tten want to be your friends. More tnen ore want to be your friends. More than more than want to be your friends. 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But but still we want a close relationship. Still we want a close relationship. So if these ountrte relationship. So if these countries that relationship. So if these countries that have seen themselves countries that have seen themselves as countries that have seen themselves as the guiding lights of themselves as the guiding lights ot noternttv themselves as the guiding lights ot noternttv. Themselves as the guiding lights of modernity. And progress of modernity. And progress teoe of modernity. And progress teoe tte of modernity. And progress become the first to figure out tnet become the first to figure out we. 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The English Speaking countries neve teen. The English Speaking countries have been leading. The English Speaking countries have been leading in the woke. Hutt have been leading in the woke. Huon ot have been leading in the woke. Huon ot tte have been leading in the woke. Much of the woke have been leading in the woke. Much of the woke nonsense. And much of the woke nonsense. And as much of the woke nonsense. And ee t much of the woke nonsense. And as i mentioned much of the woke nonsense. And as i mentioned earlier , we in as i mentioned earlier, we in seenttnevte as i mentioned earlier, we in seenttnevte. As i mentioned earlier, we in scandinavia , we as i mentioned earlier, we in scandinavia , we or the nordic scandinavia, we or the nordic ountrte scandinavia, we or the nordic ountte. Scandinavia, we or the nordic ountte , we scandinavia, we or the nordic countries , we want to follow countries, we want to follow tnet countries, we want to follow tnet exempte countries, we want to follow that example because we see ourselves as the that example because we see ourselves as the as the ountrte ourselves as the as the countries that ourselves as the as the countries that lead the way in in countries that lead the way in tn progress countries that lead the way in tn progreee. Countries that lead the way in in progress. But countries that lead the way in in progress. But then i think tntnge in progress. But then i think tntnge went in progress. But then i think things went too in progress. But then i think things went too far like in tennert things went too far like in denmark and things went too far like in denmark and sweden. And all of a denmark and sweden. And all of a eutten denmark and sweden. And all of a eutten tnev denmark and sweden. And all of a sudden they faced denmark and sweden. And all of a sudden they faced reality. Some ountrte sudden they faced reality. Some ountte. Sudden they faced reality. Some countries , denmark, norway, to countries, denmark, norway, to extent, countries, denmark, norway, to some extent, finland perhaps neve some extent, finland perhaps neve e some extent, finland perhaps have a adopted some extent, finland perhaps have a adopted to that reality. Ant have a adopted to that reality. Ant tweten have a adopted to that reality. And sweden is have a adopted to that reality. And sweden is maybe starting to do and sweden is maybe starting to to eo and sweden is maybe starting to to so no and sweden is maybe starting to to so. Tut and sweden is maybe starting to do so now. But here and sweden is maybe starting to do so now. But here in and sweden is maybe starting to do so now. But here in iceland do so now. But here in iceland we are we seem to do so now. But here in iceland we are we seem to be unable to teen we are we seem to be unable to teern tron we are we seem to be unable to learn from the we are we seem to be unable to learn from the mistakes of otters. Learn from the mistakes of otnere. So learn from the mistakes of others. So speaking of, for exempte others. So speaking of, for example, the others. So speaking of, for example, the Immigration Crisis teet example, the Immigration Crisis teet yeah example, the Immigration Crisis teet yearr we example, the Immigration Crisis last year, we had example, the Immigration Crisis last year, we had record poputetton last year, we had record population growth in iceland. Population growth in iceland. Tut population growth in iceland. Tut tor population growth in iceland. Tut tor eeen population growth in iceland. But for each new population growth in iceland. But for each new icelandic otttzen but for each new icelandic otttzen. But for each new icelandic otttzen , ove but for each new icelandic citizen , over 15 but for each new icelandic citizen , over 15 foreign citizen, over 15 foreign otttzene citizen, over 15 foreign citizens were citizen, over 15 foreign citizens were added to the to tte citizens were added to the to tne poputetton citizens were added to the to the population. Citizens were added to the to the population. So no, no the population. So no, no country the population. So no, no country en the population. So no, no country can sustain this for tong. Country can sustain this for tong. Were country can sustain this for tong. Were e country can sustain this for long. Were a very small country. Long. Were a very small country. So long. Were a very small country. So things happen fast here. Country. So things happen fast nere. Tut country. So things happen fast nere. Tut t country. So things happen fast here. But i think country. So things happen fast here. But i think my sense is wet here. But i think my sense is we even here. But i think my sense is that even here, here. But i think my sense is that even here, people are eterttng that even here, people are eterttng to that even here, people are starting to wake up and realise tnet starting to wake up and realise we we starting to wake up and realise we we neve starting to wake up and realise that we have to starting to wake up and realise that we have to maintain some eon that we have to maintain some sort ot that we have to maintain some sort of control that we have to maintain some sort of control and that we have to maintain some sort of control and consider reetttv sort of control and consider reetttv etong sort of control and consider reality along along with the teetre reality along along with the teetre to reality along along with the desire to be reality along along with the desire to be higher on some some hete desire to be higher on some some ttete. Desire to be higher on some some ttete. Ttent desire to be higher on some some lists. Thank you desire to be higher on some some lists. Thank you very desire to be higher on some some lists. Rt desire to be higher on some some lists. Tnrt lists. Thank you very much. That was the former Prime Minister of iceland, sigmundur gunnlaugsson. Thank you very, very much for joining us this evening. And so now we are going to head over to the. From 930 on sunday morning. Iwetoone from 930 on sunday morning. Iwelcome back from 930 on sunday morning. L welcome back to from 930 on sunday morning. Welcome back to the from 930 on sunday morning. Welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, emma webb, tv online and on webb, on your tv online and on your wireless telegraph. Your wireless telegraph. Columnist Allison Pearson wrote this week about the horrendous case of jonathan chappell, whose treatment of a precancerous polyp treatment of a precancerous polyp was delayed during lockdown. When it was finally lockdown. When it was finally treated. They discovered that it had advanced to an incurable stage four bowel cancer. John is now raising money for potentially life saving treatment. That is not available on the nhs and you can find his fundraiser on the website at go fund. Me and ill also post the link to that on twitter after the show. Now this raises questions about the harms of lockdown, which were raised by some very brave voices during the pandemic. Some very brave voices during the pandemic. A new story from the pandemic. A new story from the pandemic. A new story from the telegraph alleges that the government colluded with Big Tech Companies to stifle some of those voices. At the time. Im those voices. At the time. Im now joined by one of those very brave voices who criticise eased lockdown policy during the pandemic. Professor karol sikora, thank you for joining us, professor. So first, lets start off by talking about the case of john. So how how has lockdown affected Cancer Patients across the country . And will we be seeing an increasing number of people finding themselves in a situation like john . I think once it happened early , late march last year , a early, late march last year, a lot of Cancer Patients are really thrown under the bus. Everythings stopped. Hospital tervtoe everythings stopped. Hospital service moves everythings stopped. Hospital service moves towards covid. Its true that at the very beginning we didnt know how bad it was going to get, but, you know, you could see after a bit that it wasnt going to be as bad as some people said they werent going 500,000 werent going to be. 500,000 deaths, which is of the deaths, which is one of the predictions the government is working yet if you delay working on. And yet if you delay Cancer Treatment , you do get Cancer Treatment, you do get much greater chance of death, rather than survival. So cancer is one of the diseases suffered. People with heart attacks suffered, people with stroke and a whole range of other things. Delay costs , lives in medicine, delay costs, lives in medicine, and thats what happened because of the covid policy. What did of the covid policy. What did you tntnt of the covid policy. What did you think seeing of the covid policy. What did you think seeing this ccje j {at what did you think seeing this story in the you think seeing this story in tne tetegrepn you think seeing this story in the telegraph this week that has enoetet the telegraph this week that has enoetet eo the telegraph this week that has shocked so many the telegraph this week that has shocked so many people that the government shocked so many people that the government were shocked so many people that the government were it seems it toots government were it seems it toote ee government were it seems it toote ee tt government were it seems it looks as if they government were it seems it looks as if they were sort of oottuttng looks as if they were sort of oottuttng to looks as if they were sort of colluding to try looks as if they were sort of colluding to try and stifle tteeent colluding to try and stifle dissent and colluding to try and stifle dissent and criticisms of toottown dissent and criticisms of lockdown policies. tit; dissent and criticisms of lockdown policies. tit; dissent and criticisms of lockdown policies. Yes, they use lockdown policies. Yes, they use Artificial Intelligence methods with the social media. Companies know and i had belong to social media until then. And i thought this is the only way i can get out the message that Cancer Patients should break through the system and actually get seen and treated quickly, even though it difficult, i used twitter it was difficult, i used twitter to do this and ive now got 320 followers, 320,000 followers, which is amazing for someone of my age whos never used social media ever in his life. My age whos never used social media ever in his life. So media ever in his life. So i think, you know , the power of think, you know, the power of this is very strong. And the this is very strong. And the government got worried about not just me, but carl hennigan at oxford. A friend of mine whos professor of evidence based medicine was saying, this is ridiculous. We dont have the ridiculous. We dont have the evidence to do this. And the voices were silent. And thats voices were silent. And thats the problem. You know, you cant the problem. You know, you cant do that. Thats what china does. What russia does , not what what russia does, not what britain does, not what western europe. And i think it was a throwback to the eastern bloc countries of europe and it shouldnt happen here. But it did. And its still going on up to a point. Do did. And its still going on up to a point. Do you do did. And its still going on up to a point. Do you do you feel to a point. Do you do you feel vtnttoetet to a point. Do you do you feel vindicated in to a point. Do you do you feel vindicated in your do you do you feel vindicated in your position by evervtntng vindicated in your position by everything that vindicated in your position by everything that has come out once everything that has come out tte everything that has come out since the pandemic . And looking at since the pandemic . And looking et tnte since the pandemic . 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You know, it , i think vindicated . You know, tt toeent , i think vindicated . You know, it doesnt matter to me. I guess. But the trouble was its going against the truth. You know, Academic Freedom is very powerful in universities , whole powerful in universities, whole bafis powerful in universities, whole basis of academia. Life is free basis of academia. Life is free to say what you like and to have the knowledge that people i mean , was taken off facebook for 24 hours, just a routine lecture which normally went on facebook was actually just taken off because it contained stuff about cancer and covid and lockdowns causing Cancer Patients to suffer. It was all true, but it suffer. It was all true, but it was taken off because the authorities didnt like it. You authorities didnt like it. You cant do that in a democratic society. So i think it cant happen again. Society. So i think it cant happen again. I do society. So i think it cant happen again. I do hope the happen again. I do hope the covid inquiry isnt just going to be a whitewash , but will in to be a whitewash, but will in fact look more carefully at all the psychological operations going on behind the scenes dufing. Going on behind the scenes during. The lockdown. That was during. The lockdown. That was professor karol during. The lockdown. That was professor karol sikora. R , g t that was professor karol sikora. Thank you professor karol sikora. Thank you eo professor karol sikora. Thank you so verv professor karol sikora. Thank you so very much for joining professor karol sikora. Thank you so very much forjoining us. How you so very much forjoining us. How tete you so very much forjoining us. How tete reet you so very much forjoining us. Now lets read this you so very much forjoining us. Now lets read this statement out tron now lets read this statement out tron tte now lets read this statement out from the nhs trust. Who reepontett out from the nhs trust. Who responded . Who out from the nhs trust. Who responded . Who so we reached out to tte responded . Who so we reached out to tne hhs responded . Who so we reached out to the nhs trust responded . Who so we reached out to the nhs trust for responded . Who so we reached out to the nhs trust for a response to the nhs trust for a response to tte to the nhs trust for a response to tne story to the nhs trust for a response to tne etorv ot to the nhs trust for a response to the story of john chapple. Tut to the story of john chapple. Tut we to the story of john chapple. But we havent to the story of john chapple. But we havent received a reply. However but we havent received a reply. However tn but we havent received a reply. However in response to the tetegrepn however in response to the tetegrepn etorv however in response to the telegraph story on the alleged oottueton telegraph story on the alleged collusion between big tech and the government, collusion between big tech and the government, the government epoteepereon the government, the Government Spokesperson said the government, the Government Spokesperson said the units purpose spokesperson said the units purpoee te spokesperson said the units purpoee te to spokesperson said the units purpose is to track narratives ent purpose is to track narratives ent tente purpose is to track narratives and trends using purpose is to track narratives and trends using publicly evettette and trends using publicly available Information Online to protect available Information Online to protect puttto available Information Online to protect Public Health and nettonet protect Public Health and national security. It has never national security. It has never treotet national security. It has never treotet tte national security. It has never tracked the activity of individuals tracked the activity of individuals and has a blanket ten individuals and has a blanket ten on individuals and has a blanket ban on referring individuals and has a blanket ban on referring journalists and hts ban on referring journalists and htte to ban on referring journalists and htte to eootet ban on referring journalists and mps to social media platforms , mps to social media platforms, as none of the mps to social media platforms, as none of the people named in tnte as none of the people named in tnte report as none of the people named in this report were as none of the people named in this report were ever referred to. Sootet this report were ever referred to. Social media this report were ever referred to. Social media platforms by the government to. Social media platforms by the government and any claim otnerwtee the government and any claim otnerwtee te the government and any claim otherwise is objectively false. How otherwise is objectively false. How tete otherwise is objectively false. Now lets bring otherwise is objectively false. Now lets bring in my panel to tnte now lets bring in my panel to this discussion now lets bring in my panel to this discussion. Now lets bring in my panel to this discussion. So first, this discussion. So first, oute this discussion. So first, ollie, what this discussion. So first, ollie, what do this discussion. So first, ollie, what do you think hearing tnet ollie, what do you think hearing that statement ollie, what do you think hearing that statement there from the government that statement there from the government about this story that we eewltne government about this story that we saw the telegraph today . We saw in the telegraph today . Wett we saw in the telegraph today . Wett. Tte we saw in the telegraph today . Well, its absolutely well, its absolutely heartbreaking. Firstly john heartbreaking. Firstly what john had so many had to go through. And so many thousands that were thousands of others that were denied treatments or denied Cancer Treatments or they couldnt get appointment couldnt get an appointment because rules where you because of these rules where you werent allowed to visit a hospital unless it was covid related. That will go related. So i think that will go down darkest down as one of the darkest chapters history chapters in the history of the uk, basically, because its heartbreaking how many lives were because werent were lost because they werent able cancer able to get these cancer appointments these heart appointments or these heart appointments. Its really appointments. So its really tragic. And, you know, we know full there was a lot full well that there was a lot of information suppressed of information being suppressed by big tech, working in collusion with the government. And kind almost goes back and it kind of almost goes back to because the algorithms to ai because the algorithms were on instagram were automatically on instagram and detecting and facebook detecting if you mention word Covid Vaccine mention the word Covid Vaccine lockdown or complaining or speaking up about it, you were instantly censored. You would have warning your have a warning put on your account. Many doctors and people that out were having their that spoke out were having their voices silenced and thats why twitter has become a great platform now for free speech. So you what . Johns been you know what . Johns been through heartbreaking. And through is heartbreaking. And the service was the National Health service was set provide health set up to provide Free Health Care single citizen in care for every single citizen in this so the fact he this country. So the fact he wasnt able to that and hes wasnt able to do that and hes had resort to, know, had to resort to, you know, fundraising accord fundraising on his own accord and thankfully, raised and thankfully, hes raised 120,000. Hes a true inspiration and hero. But he shouldnt be having that. He should be having to do that. He should be being the national being treated by the National Health. Laura, youve health service. Laura, youve wrttten health service. Laura, youve written about health service. Laura, youve written about this health service. Laura, youve written about this sort. Rt. R i; laura, youve written about this sort of written a lot about this sort of stutt written a lot about this sort of etutt etout written a lot about this sort of stuff about suppression of information, stuff about suppression of information, particularly during toettown information, particularly during toottown. Information, particularly during lockdown , how information, particularly during lockdown , how people were lockdown, how people were manipulated lockdown, how people were manipulated by nudge and so on. Younetw manipulated by nudge and so on. Youttrettv. Manipulated by nudge and so on. Youfirstly , what manipulated by nudge and so on. You firstly , what do you you know, firstly, what do you tntnt you know, firstly, what do you thinkethics you know, firstly, what do you thinkethics of you know, firstly, what do you think ethics of the think about the ethics of the government think about the ethics of the government suppressing those ortttoe government suppressing those ortttoewno government suppressing those critics who were government suppressing those critics who were actually saying tntnge critics who were actually saying tntnge tnet critics who were actually saying things that turned out to be oret things that turned out to be oret ent things that turned out to be correct and having people like gonn correct and having people like on wno correct and having people like john who have correct and having people like john who have suffered as a reeutt john who have suffered as a reeutt ot john who have suffered as a result of those john who have suffered as a result of those people not being ttetenet result of those people not being ttetenet to result of those people not being listened to when result of those people not being listened to when they were evpreeetng listened to when they were expressing their concerns about toottown expressing their concerns about lockdown policies. Expressing their concerns about lockdown policies. Well, first of lockdown policies. Well, first ot ett lockdown policies. Well, first ot ett tonne lockdown policies. Well, first of all, johns trials and all of tneee of all, johns trials and all of these missed of all, johns trials and all of these missed cancer appointments totettv these missed cancer appointments were totally predictable. � ft� rznt were totally predictable. Well, i interviewed were totally predictable. Well, i interviewed professor lucy easthope, whos one of the uks veteran Disaster Recovery planners when i interviewed her for my book, a state of fear, she told me she works in body storage planning. She told me that death, that for every one covid death, she would anticipate another four from cancer four deaths from cancer obstructive obstetric sepsis , obstructive obstetric sepsis, domestic violence, etcetera. For the next 2 to 5 years, you can expect excess deaths to run for high a long time. This was an absolute known risk that the government denied. The important question should be why did they abandon decades of pandemic planning and all of the academic and professional expertise that they used to rely on in terms of monitoring citizens . I think its appalling. Its abhorrent. Im one of the people that was monitored, according to big brother watch is extremely thorough investigation. Listen, thorough investigation. Listen, i dont buy what the governments saying. I would like to see a uk twitter files like to see a uk twitter files like weve seen for the us. Why havent seen the uk . Havent we seen it for the uk . Interesting isnt it . We know that theyre not just monitoring. We know that they requested so called legal but harmful be taken down harmful content to be taken down because Nadine Dorries boasted about it in the house of commons. When my jaw fell through the floor that she talked about the disinformation unit asking big tech to take content down, i thought, well, this is the time, come on, mps, ask your questions. This is the time, come on, mps, ask your questions. What is this ask your questions. What is this so called legal content thats being taken down . When a platform like facebook flagged something as not trustworthy information by calling it misinformation , it reduces misinformation, it reduces clicks by 85. They know exactly what theyre doing , even if they what theyre doing, even if they dont take down an account or a person. Theres lots of ways to reduce visibility. Thank you so much to my ulez olly london and Laura Dodsworth. Thank you so nuen Laura Dodsworth. Thank you so rnuon tor Laura Dodsworth. Thank you so much for joining Laura Dodsworth. Thank you so much forjoining me Laura Dodsworth. Thank you so much forjoining me for t thank you so much forjoining me for the much for joining me for the wnote much for joining me for the wnote snow much for joining me for the whole show. Much for joining me for the whole show. Now coming much for joining me for the whole show. Now coming up in the ttnet whole show. Now coming up in the ttnetot whole show. Now coming up in the ttnetot tte whole show. Now coming up in the finalof the common whole show. Now coming up in the final of the common sense final part of the common sense crueete final part of the common sense crueete tnte final part of the common sense crusade this week, final part of the common sense crusade this week, well be tteoueetng crusade this week, well be discussing discussing kathleen stocke discussing discussing kathleen stocks speech discussing discussing kathleen stocks speech the stocks recent speech at the extort stocks recent speech at the extortent stocks recent speech at the oxford and how stocks recent speech at the oxford and how was oxford union and how it was tteruptet oxford union and how it was tteruptet by oxford union and how it was disrupted by transgender eottvtete disrupted by transgender activists. Tuned. 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Now, earlier this week, trans gender activists interrupted trans gender activists interrupted a talk by feminists, by a interrupted a talk by feminists, by e tentntet interrupted a talk by feminists, by a feminist professor at the extort by a feminist professor at the oxford union by a feminist professor at the oxford union. By a feminist professor at the oxford union. The talk was by oxford union. The talk was by hroteeeor oxford union. The talk was by professor kathleen stock, an eoetente professor kathleen stock, an academic who professor kathleen stock, an academic who believes in the ttotogtoet academic who believes in the biological reality academic who believes in the biological reality of sex and eenpetgne biological reality of sex and eenpetgne tor biological reality of sex and campaigns for single sex spaces for campaigns for single sex spaces tor her campaigns for single sex spaces for women. Her address was tteruptet for women. Her address was disrupted for for women. Her address was disrupted for nearly half an hour disrupted for nearly half an hour by disrupted for nearly half an hour by activists who objected to her hour by activists who objected to her vtew hour by activists who objected to her views on hour by activists who objected to her views on transgenderism. To her views on transgenderism. Tertter to her views on transgenderism. Tertter tnte to her views on transgenderism. Earlier this week, to her views on transgenderism. Earlier this week, i to her views on transgenderism. Earlier this week, i discussed tnte earlier this week, i discussed tnte story earlier this week, i discussed this story with earlier this week, i discussed this story with american pnttoeopner this story with american philosopher peter boghossian. Philosopher peter boghossian. Tognoeeten philosopher peter boghossian. Boghossian is philosopher peter boghossian. 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So how did you feel toottng untenable. So how did you feel toottng et untenable. So how did you feel looking at these untenable. So how did you feel looking at these scenes untotttng looking at these scenes unfolding and did you feel that your unfolding and did you feel that your situation unfolding and did you feel that your situation was compared . In a your situation was compared . In e wew your situation was compared . In e way my your situation was compared . In e way my hot your situation was compared . In a way, my first thought when i tnet a way, my first thought when i tnet te a way, my first thought when i saw that is there a way, my first thought when i saw that is there are no guns here saw that is there are no guns nere tn saw that is there are no guns nere tn tnte saw that is there are no guns here in this country. 3 here in this country. Largely. So here in this country. Largely. So my here in this country. Largely. So my first here in this country. Largely. So my first thought was , oddly, so my first thought was, oddly, as an American Perspective , kyiv as an American Perspective, kyiv somewhat relieved that i knew that she was not going to get shot because i always think about that when i do events in the United States. My second perspective , is what a stain perspective was, is what a stain on the institution and what a stain that the oxford union , stain that the oxford union, whose entire purpose is to have debates , would have to deal with debates, would have to deal with a very small group of megalomaniac who want to limit the speech of others. Now, if they dont want to go, thats fine. Nobody there should be no compulsion. No, nobody should force them to go. The problem is that they want force other that they want to force other people to not go. They want to shut down. Its its a new shut down. Its a its a new type totalitarian ism. Its type of totalitarian ism. Its a new type of authoritarianism. New type of authoritarianism. So than 40 academics signed so more than 40 academics signed a so more than 40 academics signed e petttton so more than 40 academics signed e petttton tn so more than 40 academics signed a petition in favour so more than 40 academics signed a petition in favour of kathleen tetng a petition in favour of kathleen tetng ettowet a petition in favour of kathleen being allowed to a petition in favour of kathleen being allowed to speak. And in wet being allowed to speak. And in we petttton being allowed to speak. And in that petition, they said that tnev that petition, they said that they believed that petition, they said that they believed that the university they believed that the university exists to promote the disinterested university exists to promote the disinterested pursuit of truth via reasoned disinterested pursuit of truth via reasoned argument. But but tnet via reasoned argument. But but we eeerne via reasoned argument. But but we to via reasoned argument. 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But its more than perspective. But its more than tutt perspective. But its more than just eetetv perspective. But its more than just eetetv trn perspective. But its more than just safety ism, isnt it . I tttnt just safety ism, isnt it . I tntnt tte just safety ism, isnt it . I think its their just safety ism, isnt it . I think its their moral mind overriding rational mind. Overriding their rational mind. I have kind of i think they have a kind of hyper moralism and that shuts off completely seals or off or completely seals or closes us any hope that they can evaluate reasoned evidence or argument because they hold those positions for moral reasons. Now, when you said there are 40 people know how many people id like to know how many people id like to know how many people were on the people in total were on the faculty and 40 signed in my expefi faculty and 40 signed in my experi ence. Of course, this was when gender ideology was not in its infancy , but it hadnt its infancy, but it hadnt matured to the level of derangement that it has now. Derangement that it has now. There wouldnt be a Single Person who would have signed that. So you can tell that the tide is turning and its not just across the pond thing. The tide is turning on the ideology. So the fact that 40 people signed it all is interesting. Signed it all is interesting. So you were also involved in wnet so you were also involved in wnet ee so you were also involved in what came to so you were also involved in what came to be so you were also involved in what came to be known as the genter what came to be known as the gender studies what came to be known as the gender studies hoax, where you ent gender studies hoax, where you ent one gender studies hoax, where you ent ot gender studies hoax, where you and some of your gender studies hoax, where you and some of your colleagues eutntttet and some of your colleagues submitted essentially fake rournet submitted essentially fake Journal Articles that were eoeeptet Journal Articles that were eeeeptet by Journal Articles that were accepted by Peer Reviewed iournete accepted by Peer Reviewed journals. And accepted by Peer Reviewed journals. And it accepted by Peer Reviewed journals. And it showed up the eeetento journals. And it showed up the academic industry really to be eonptetetv academic industry really to be completely bankrupt. And yet notntng completely bankrupt. And yet nothing seems completely bankrupt. And yet nothing seems to have happened. Tnere nothing seems to have happened. Tnere teent nothing seems to have happened. There hasnt been nothing seems to have happened. There hasnt been any consequences as a result of that except consequences as a result of that except tor consequences as a result of that except tor tte consequences as a result of that except for the people who were tnvotvet except for the people who were tnvotvet tn except for the people who were involved in submitting those journal involved in submitting those tournettne involved in submitting those journalthe first. Journal articles in the first pteoe Journal Articles in the first pteee. Cen Journal Articles in the first pteee. Cen vou Journal Articles in the first place. Can you tell us bit place. Can you tell us a bit etout place. Can you tell us a bit more about that . Yeah i think we tte more about that . Yeah i think we won the battle more about that . Yeah i think we won the battle but more about that . Yeah i think we won the battle but lost the war. I won the battle but lost the war. T tttnt won the battle but lost the war. T tntnt we won the battle but lost the war. Ttntnt we tte won the battle but lost the war. I think we the ideals won the battle but lost the war. I think we the ideals dogs won the battle but lost the war. I think we the ideals dogs who are pushing our proper a e theres no polite theres no politic way to say it. These are moral impulses by ideologues and the people who have pushed this out and are driving this in Peer Reviewed journals , theyre not reviewed journals, theyre not doing that because they have good evidence for what they believe. Theyre doing it because they want to forward moral ideas. Thats the key to this whole thing. And when you understand that, that the movement woke ism, critical, social justice, whatever you want it, this is want to call it, this is fundamentally a moral movement. Its not based upon evidence. So, for example , from what we so, for example, from what we talked about before, trans women and womens sports , its not as and womens sports, its not as if there are no gotchas. So if there are no gotchas. So theres its not as if you theres not its not as if you can give physical characteristics of the average male physical characteristics of the average female and say, aha, see, gotcha. You know, biological men should not compete in womens sports. No because for the people who are in the orbit of the ideology , in the orbit of the ideology, see, trans women are women. See, trans women are women. Theyre just women, period. And it doesnt matter what the evidence is, its the belief is a moral belief. And that if you do not understand that, you simply cannot understand gender ideology , the propositions of ideology, the propositions of gender ideology are forwarded for moral reasons. They are not based in evidence and not only are they not based in evidence, but evidence is completely irrelevant to making one change ones minds about the moral belief we saw with what happened at oxford, that it wasnt all bad news. The oxford union eotuettv bad news. The oxford union actually held bad news. The oxford union actually held its ztrftr the oxford union actually held its ground. There peopte actually held its ground. There were people who actually held its ground. There were people who spoke out in tvour were people who spoke out in tvour ot were people who spoke out in favour of free were people who spoke out in favour of free speech and in tvour favour of free speech and in tvour ot favour of free speech and in favour of kathleen stock being ettowet favour of kathleen stock being ettowet to favour of kathleen stock being allowed to air favour of kathleen stock being allowed to air her favour of kathleen stock being allowed to air her views and tett allowed to air her views and tett et allowed to air her views and tett et tte allowed to air her views and talk at the union. So how opttntetto talk at the union. So how optimistic are talk at the union. So how optimistic are you that the ettuetton optimistic are you that the situation is optimistic are you that the situation is potentially getting tetter situation is potentially getting tetter or situation is potentially getting tetter or to situation is potentially Getting Better or do you situation is potentially Getting Better or do you think that the worst better or do you think that the worst to better or do you think that the worst te vet better or do you think that the worst te wet to better or do you think that the worst is yet to come . The tide is worst is yet to come . The tide te turntng worst is yet to come . The tide te turntng. Worst is yet to come . The tide is turning , but worst is yet to come . The tide is turning , but the institutions is turning, but the institutions are is turning, but the institutions etto is turning, but the institutions are also captured. T are also captured. So in the academy, for example , you have academy, for example, you have people with jobs for life. Its called tenure. You cannot get them out once theyre in. Theres no question that the tide turning. Theres also no tide is turning. Theres also no question what damage it question about what damage it will our institutions will do to our institutions before finally extirpate the before we finally extirpate the last of madness. The last vestiges of madness. The thing thats really important to understand is that this ideology is simply to idiotic to sustain its just simply to stupid. Every body knows what a woman is. Im looking at you. Youre a woman. You know what a man is. You know that men have no place in womens spaces. You know that if a man goes into your bathroom , a man goes into your bathroom, that individual is not there. That individual is not there. For nothing. Positive is coming out of that. So the ideology itself is just its just too idiotic to sustain itself. And idiotic to sustain itself. And all it takes is a small group of people. And then followed and then hopefully followed by a Critical Mass of people who stand up and say, no, were not going to take this anymore. This is deranged. Youve been is too deranged. Youve been watching this weeks common sense crusade with me, emma webb, standing in for calvin robinson. Thank webb, standing in for calvin robinson. Thank you so much for robinson. Thank you so much for joining robinson. Thank you so much for rotntng us. Robinson. Thank you so much for rotntng ant robinson. Thank you so much for joining us. And im robinson. Thank you so much for joining us. And im so t thank you so much for joining us. And im so sorry we tttnt joining us. And im so sorry we tttnt neve joining us. And im so sorry we didnt have time joining us. And im so sorry we didnt have time for the closing prever didnt have time for the closing prever totev. Didnt have time for the closing prever totev. So didnt have time for the closing prayer today. So here is an tnprovteet prayer today. So here is an improvised instead. May god improvised one instead. May god tteee improvised one instead. May god tteee vou improvised one instead. May god tteee vou ett improvised one instead. May god bless you all and improvised one instead. May god bless you all anda improvised one instead. May god bless you all and a very bless you all and have a very tteeeet bless you all and have a very tteeeettev bless you all and have a very blessed day asphalt bless you all and have a very blessedday asphalt and blessed weekend. Day asphalt and cetvtn blessed weekend. Day asphalt and cetvtnte blessed weekend. Day asphalt and calvinbe back blessed weekend. Day asphalt and calvinbe back with blessed weekend. Day asphalt and calvin be back with you calvin will be back with you next calvin will be back with you next saturday calvin will be back with you next saturday at calvin will be back with you next saturday at 7 pm. Next up, its next saturday at 7 pm. Next up, he tte next saturday at 7 pm. Next up, its the saturday next saturday at 7 pm. Next up, its the saturday five, but tetore its the saturday five, but before that, its the saturday five, but before that, were here with the weetner before that, were here with the Weather Forecast before that, were here with the Weather Forecast. Before that, were here with the Weather Forecast. E t g Weather Forecast. Good evening. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast. It does turn quite chilly tonight, but with High Pressure in charge, well see plenty of sunshine through sunday and temperatures climbing particularly in the west. High Pressure Centre to just the north of us means the wind still coming in from the northeast. So eastern coast a little bit chilly , but further west, chilly, but further west, temperatures remaining above average for the time of year. So average for the time of year. So a fine end to the day. We will see some low cloud across northeast scotland and also Eastern England feeding slowly back inland, making its way towards the midlands during the early hours. But there will be lots of dry weather around clear skies in the and we could skies in the west and we could see few shallow mist and fog see a few shallow mist and fog patches and temperatures dipping into so yes , a into single figures. So yes, a chilly start to sunday morning, but for sunny start. We but for many a sunny start. We do low cloud, central and do have low cloud, central and eastern parts. This slowly burns back towards the coast. I think eastern parts of scotland, the towards the east coast of england could some low cloud england could see some low cloud at and with that at times. And with that northeasterly breeze, it will be quite. Temperatures quite chilly. Temperatures struggling there , 13 struggling grimsby there, 13 degrees. Come further west, degrees. But come further west, temperatures rising into the low 20s locally, 25 degrees is possible. Say for parts of west wales into the evening time. Plenty of dry weather to come. Maybe an isolated covid shower across scotland, but most places dry. And then overnight we see the low cloud pushing back in from the north sea, thicker and lower , and this could just lower, and this could just produce a few spots of drizzle though Western Areas staying dry and clear once more. And temperatures again into single figures. So a bit of a westie split to start monday morning. Sunny skies towards northern ireland, scotland, west wales, the west country, elsewhere quite cloudy, but again, the cloud through the day should lift and break and slowly retreat towards the coast. It might take its time and temperatures ing to the mid temperatures rise ing to the mid 20s in the west and tuesday and wednesday staying very similar to further sunshine and high temperatures as. Well. Good evening. Its 9 00 on well. Good evening. Its 9 00 on tetevteton well. Good evening. Its 9 00 on tetevteton on well. Good evening. Its 9 00 on television, on radio well. Good evening. Its 9 00 on television, on radio and � ft� rznt e t g its 9 00 on television, on radio and online in television, on radio and online tn tte television, on radio and online in the united television, on radio and online in the United Kingdom and across the in the United Kingdom and across tne wont. In the United Kingdom and across the world. This in the United Kingdom and across the world. 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