Two of the worst potential prime. Well, we know whos going to be Prime Minister. Its going to be Prime Minister. Its going to be Prime Minister. Its going to be starmer. But theyre just not great, are they. Absolutely. And robert said he thought that keir starmer was having his strings pulled by people higher up in the labour party. So im dying to ask him who he meant by that. Get in touch with us tony blair, maybe gbnews. Com yoursay first though. The very latest news with tatiana sanchez. Tatiana sanchez. Andrew. Bev, thank you and good morning. The top stories. Rishi sunak and sir keir starmer returned to the campaign trail today after they clashed over illegal immigration and the betting row in a Television Debate last night, with just a week before voters go to the polls , the labour leader accused polls, the labour leader accused the Prime Minister of being bullied into taking action in the betting scandal, while mr sunak repeatedly warned voters not to surrender to labours tax and migration plans. The pair also answered questions from an ianed also answered questions from an invited studio audience , with invited studio audience, with one asking how either leader was planning to control illegal immigration. Rwanda plan is a deterrent. You just have to listen to what the Illegal Migrants themselves are saying, one of them just said. Most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. Another one said i wont cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. If the rwanda plan is destroyed. If labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. Dont surrender our borders to the labour party. Record numbers coming across the channel and he says its a deterrent. There are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda, a huge expense to the taxpayer. There are tens of thousands, 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been Prime Minister in other news, police are to take the lead in investigations into some of the allegations about bets placed by politicians on the general election. Sir Philip Davies has become the latest tory candidate to be accused of gambling on the date of the election. He reportedly bet £8,000 against himself holding his seat, to according the sun. But there is no suggestion hes done anything illegal. At least five conservatives are being investigated by the Gambling Commission as part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the july 4th poll. Labour has also been dragged into the row, suspending one candidate after he was investigated by the regulator for betting on himself to lose his seat. Junior doctors to lose his seat. Junior doctors in england are walking off the job today for an 11th time since their dispute began around 20 months ago. Medics are warning that more strike action could take place in the summer if the next government does not move forward. Negotiations in a timely manner. Theyre walking out for five days in their long running dispute over pay, Junior Doctors want a 35 pay rise. The British Medical Association has said its ready to talk, and the union has already had some discussions with the labour party. It says , and there have party. It says, and there have been reports that missing british teenagerj slater has been seen watching the euros football tournament as the search for him continues. The probe has been thrown into further confusion as the tenerife mayor says Spanish Police are examining cctv footage and suggest several witnesses claim to have seen him. The 19 year old has been missing for 11 days now. Yesterday, Spanish Police searched a mountainous area by helicopter with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. Also being used on the ground. For the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or you can go to gb news common alerts. Now its back to andrew and. Bev. And. Bev. Good morning. This is britains newsroom live across the uk on gb news with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. So its the aftermath. The final Leaders Debate between sunak and starmer. Final Leaders Debate between sunak and starmer. Theres no sunak and starmer. Theres no doubt it was the fieriest. It struck me that sunak has got nothing to lose. The polls are still showing 20 point lead for laboun still showing 20 point lead for labour, one poll actually suggesting yesterday the lib dems will be second and the tories in third place. So he threw everything at it. When you see sunak on the ropes like this, you get a much better version of him because hes panicking. Clearly. Understandably, he starts to come out swinging and weve seen not enough of that because anger is a normal Human Emotion and thats what we see from him at a time like this. And desperation. Whereas previously hes just been playing it so safe and just being such a robot. And yet again, starmer , the and yet again, starmer, the lawyer, the accomplished lawyer, the barrister, the kc who was director of Public Prosecutions, seemed oddly flat footed. Again, very. Which i dont understand because hes got his preordained lines, which hes been given by his team and hes sticking to them. Whatevers thrown at him, who is giving him his lines, though . Thats the question, because hes clearly not talking from the heart. And in fact, the star of last nights debate, i would say, was audience member Robert Blackstock. Were going to talk to him just a moment. This is what he said. What he said. Mr sunak, i think you made a fair job of being chancellor. But youre a pretty mediocre Prime Minister sir keir, i think that your strings are being pulled by very senior members of the labour party. Are you two really the best . Weve got to be the next Prime Minister of our great country. Great country. And robert joins us now. Good morning robert. I bet you had no idea the attention you were going to receive for this question, but just going to the point that andrew and i were just discussing is the fact that keir starmer appears to be constantly reading from a script because somebody is giving him that script, and who do you think that is . Well , i think that is . Well, i think theres two very powerful ladies in the labour party. Rachel reeves and, angela rayner. And i also labour party. Rachel reeves and, angela rayner. And i also think that tony blair is, involved somewhere along the line as well. So they would be my, my guess. And i think that theyre almost telling him what to say, what to do , and, yes, that would what to do, and, yes, that would be it. Be it. And, robert, its interesting you mentioned tony blair because when i heard you make that make the point, powerful people are pulling your strings. I thought, i wonder if robert knows how involved tony blair is in team starmer , because tony blair runs starmer, because tony blair runs an institute, the Tony Blair Institute , which has provided institute, which has provided staff that are seconded to starmers office. Theyve provided policy documents and they are on the phone the whole time. Blair talks to starmer all time. Blair talks to starmer all the time , so does peter the time, so does peter mandelson, who is his, spin doctor. So i think youve probably put your finger on something there. And i think a lot of whats happening here. Starmer is fighting the same general election that blair fought in 1997. Yes, i would agree with that. And as i say, you dont have to look very far through any of the news bulletins or any of the briefings to see that tony blair, his influence is, is there , you know, its there to there, you know, its there to be seen. Why is that . Im just im interested, though, robert. Why would that be a bad thing for you . What is it about tony blairs ethos and his vision of the world that you would find worrying . Well, its not so much that the concern that ive got is that sir keir starmer , he has to that sir keir starmer, he has to be the man thats fronting up the uk. So he has to be the man to make the decisions and not the man thats being told what to say. And thats where i think to say. And thats where i think the problem lies. Interesting, interesting. Dufing interesting, interesting. During the campaign, robert, as you know, starmer has gotten himself into all sorts of difficulties about what i think is probably the most straightforward question a politician should ever be asked. How do you define a woman . When he famously said, when he was asked, can only a woman have a cervix . And he said, its not a straightforward question. He now says hes clarified his position and hes clarified his position after speaking not to a woman, but to tony blair. Yeah yeah, but to tony blair. Yeah yeah, but you say, unfortunately last night, i dont think either of the two leaders gave straightforward yes or no answers to any of the questions. And even when there were sort of batting the ball backwards and forwards between themselves , and forwards between themselves, they they didnt sort of answer each others questions. So it was a bit like Prime Ministers questions, to be honest with you. And its so frustrating for the viewers in that situation and for the electorate actually , and for the electorate actually, robert, if correct me if im wrong, but i think on the broadcast last night you were saying that you dont know who youre going to vote for. The election is a week today. Where are you at now . Im still in the same place, last night didnt really alter my views at all, it didnt swing me one way or the other. So ive got less than a week now to make my mind up, and. But talking with friends, theres a lot of us in exactly the same position, so its. And again, it was on a radio broadcast this morning, and there were people there saying exactly the same thing that, you know, they havent made their minds up. So the landslide perhaps is not there, but it could well be. Yeah. If you had to score it. Robert, last night, who was there a winner or was it an ugly score draw or a nil nil draw. It was a it was definitely a draw. And it was nil nil. It was a it was definitely a draw. And it was nil nil. The draw. And it was nil nil. The neither seemed to do particularly well against the other. And as just to repeat, other. And as just to repeat, they didnt really answer any of they didnt really answer any of the questions specifically. And thatis the questions specifically. And that is what i think really annoys the British Public that our politicians, they say an awful lot of words, but they dont mean anything. Thats the problem. And when you said, is this the best weve got . Sunak versus starmer, do you think the calibre of leaders is in decline . Well, i believe so, yes, and we havent got anybody thats got any charisma. You know, if got any charisma. You know, if youre on the world stage, you know, representing the uk, then youve got to have something that that the foreign journalists and the foreign politicians say, oh, we know who that is. Its the british Prime Minister rather than just being at the end of the queue or the end of the photo shoot, its got to be centre in the right, in the middle and portraying something that is typically british, if you like. So therefore there might be something wrong with our system. Robert, in terms of who politics appeals to, you know, what kind of people out there get to a career crossroads and think, shall i go into business . Shall i go into law medicine . Or i go into law medicine . Or should i go and try and be a politician . So how do we change politician . So how do we change that system . Do you think . Well, thats a very good question because i certainly wouldnt want to be a politician or wouldnt have wanted to be a politician. I wouldnt have politician. I wouldnt have wanted the flak. So, i really dont know. Yeah, its a good question. I really im not really sure how. Because you do have such a Cross Section of people that are politicians. I mean , in nottingham we have mean, in nottingham we have a total variety of people that are members of parliament or were members of parliament or were members of parliament or were members of parliament. All right. Robert . Well robert, good luck with your with your soul searching about whos going to, youre going to vote for next week and thank you for your question last night, because i think it spoke for many, many people, not just watching and listening to this program, but across the country spoke for a lot of us. So thank you for that. Robert robert blackstone, thank you very much for having me on. Pleasure. Great. Pleasure. Great. Thank you. Bye bye. Do you know what i want after the election . I want him to come on and tell us who he decided to vote for in the end. Just that, and im sure our producers will be onto that, because Christopher Hope interviewed him last night on Patrick Christys post debate show. And Robert Robert did say there that he had voted conservative in the past. Yeah and its hes one of those classic current floating voters right now. Do you punish the tories or do you give labour a chance . And its a different mindset when you go into that voting booth. Or do you do a protest vote and vote for somebody else . Yeah. And there will be some people who say theyre so awful, im not going to vote for any of them. Dont do that. Yes, vote for someone. And of course, some people say to me, well, if there was a box which said none of the above, i tick that. Well, you can spoil your ballot paper that is registered. Yeah. The numbers of sport ballot papers are counted up and they will be a toll. And dont forget to take yourid toll. And dont forget to take your id absolutely on thursday. Otherwise you dont. Otherwise you dont. You dont vote. Now up next were going to be speaking to a man who has coached many of our frontbench politicians, graham davis, to give his verdict on the final Leaders Debate. And as robert just said, are they really the best we have to offer . Im afraid thats it for the british newsroom gb its 948. Britains newsroom on gb news with Andrew Pierce and bev turner political presentation. Graham davis is with us. Graham, weve been. Youve been with us from the beginning of this epicly. Interesting. Not general Election Campaign. You saw particularly the first Leaders Debate between sunak and starmer last night, i thought it was much more passionate, certainly on sunaks part. When youre 20 points behind, if you almost threw the kitchen sink at him. But did he win or did he put people off because he was too aggressive . Well, there was certainly no legacy of bonhomie from the first debate. It was all brutality from the word go. It was like watching two actuaries in expensive suits in a cage fight , but in expensive suits in a cage fight, but also this time , fight, but also this time, instead of the moderator having a sort of school mummy, settle down boys attitude, she was a like a referee in a in a some form of combat. She let them go at each other. I thought she was and i thought that was good because actually seeing them arguing was a good thing. But of course , at this stage of this course, at this stage of this quite long campaign, you cant persuade people anymore with facts. You cant move their minds. But i believe you can still move their hearts. And actually, at this stage, the election boils down to this. Its a battle to see which of the president ial candidates is the president ial candidates is the least dislikeable. And the least dislikeable. And thats a battle that maybe keir starmer hasnt definitely won. Starmer hasnt definitely won. But it is a battle that rishi sunak has definitely lost. Because do you think he became over as dislikeable last night because he kept interrupting . Well, he clearly had been psyched up by his team to go for it to go for it, to go for it. Graham, i think weve just lost your mic a moment. Were just going to try and address that. So were well well talk about this, the thing that i was sort of considering, especially having been at those tric awards at the weekend on tuesday, was nigel farage is cutting through with the public. Of course. And with the public. Of course. And why is that . Partly because he doesnt play being a politician. He has much less to lose, you might say. And i was going to say, i think weve got you back. What does nigel do that the other two dont in terms of presentation . He treats things like a cabaret as opposed to a political debate. He prepares effectively. He selects his effectively. He selects his material, then edits it, edits it. And i think he also rehearses. He treats it like an adrenalised episode as opposed to something where in fact, people are essentially reading out pre prepared lines. Isnt that just talking from the heart , though . Isnt that the heart, though . Isnt that the heart, though . Isnt that the difference . Is it that nigels not necessarily rehearsed, he just believes what hes saying. Oh, does he make it look like hes talking from the heart . I think that he rehearses it so well and so professionally that it looks unrehearsed. And indeed, that was epitomised by the opening line of his his closing speech at the beginning of the seven the seven pygmies debate, where he said, unlike the other people on stage, i dont need an autocue because i believe what im saying. But that didnt mean he hadnt prepared it. It meant hed learnt it. And internalised it. Doesnt believe it does. It means that he might be telling the truth. Yes, he may well be. And that that level of rehearsal enhances the truth rather than gets in the truth rather than gets in the way of it. So sunaks people clearly did say , youve got nothing to lose. Say, youve got nothing to lose. Youre 20 points behind one poll suggesting yesterday the tories could come third behind the lib dems. God help us. And, so throw everything at it. Was that the wrong strategy in your view . Wrong strategy in your view . Throw nearly everything at it, but keep control would have been my advice. He was short, sharp, starting to use shorter sentences than hed used before in the previous debate. He would in the previous debate. He would say it, then hed support it. But again , yet again, he forgot but again, yet again, he forgot to shut it. And when he goes on to shut it. And when he goes on and on and on, when hes made the point, and then rephrases the point, and then rephrases the point, and then rephrases the point and then says it for a third time, he becomes more dislikeable by the second. So thats his own stuff. Now, the thats his own stuff. Now, the interruptions, to a certain extent, did work for him in the sense that it clearly it put off keir starmer. He was still ruffled by them, and also he managed to expose starmers weaknesses , especially in weaknesses, especially in relation to immigration and also tax. The vagueness was exposed by the interruptions, but once the interruptions go so far, he becomes more and more dislikeable who didnt see that. That was the moment at which keir starmer suggested that he would send people back to afghanistan and iraq and iran. And sunak said, youre going to sit down and negotiate with the taliban. It really landed a punch, didnt he . It did. And it was a short, sharp punch. He could do it with the smallest number of words. You see, rishi should probably take this counsel that the persuasiveness of your words depends on their quality , not depends on their quality, not their quantity. Yes. And hes better when hes short and hes sharp. Why is somebody like starmer, who is an accomplished lawyer , who is an accomplished lawyer, so flat footed . Why was he ruffled . Why isnt he able to parry it away with a silken answer . Is it because he he was so rehearsed and he was told to be risk averse . Stick to your line because he looked uncomfortable when sunak was on the attack. And i just thought, he doesnt look Prime Ministerial. Its not very clever when you. Well, i wonder , maybe you. Well, i wonder, maybe thats true of all barristers. Yeah, hes a bit thick. Yeah, hes a bit thick. I do wonder about, well, his preparation and his thought processes are that of a prosecuting barrister. Yeah. And hes done some very big complex cases in his time. And what you do as a barrister is prepare things in writing. Thats right. And to a certain extent, youre reading that out in court, either to a judge or to the jury. There is some spontaneity, but not very much. He hasnt really adapted all that well to the cleanliness of the courtroom, to the combat of political debate. Very interesting. Graham, fascinating political presentation. Coach, if youre not sure who graham davis is, thats why he talks so brilliantly about all of that. Right. Up next, former labour defence secretary geoff hoon, were going to see what he thinks of sir Keir Starmers leadership. This is britains newsroom on gb news alex deakin has your. Weather. Has your. Weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news morning. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb. News unseasonably wet and windy weather hitting parts of scotland and Northern Ireland this morning. Further south, things are turning cooler. Still pretty warm across east anglia and the south east, but far from warm in the northwest. Gusts see blustery conditions for Northern Ireland and western scotland. Quite a bit of rain coming in here as well. A grey start over the midlands and southern england, but it will brighten up here as we go through the day. A few showers possible for wales and developing across Northern England also temperature wise, well still up into the mid 20s across east anglia and the south east before things turn fresher elsewhere. Temperatures are down compared to yesterdays and certainly it feels a lot cooler with this very wet and windy weather across scotland and Northern Ireland. Not a day to be in the highlands of scotland. Quite blustery conditions, but largely dry across the far north east of scotland. Showers coming into southern scotland. Coming into southern scotland. Wet and windy also for Northern Ireland. Again not great conditions here. Gusty winds and rain on and off throughout the afternoon. A few showers will get into north west england, the odd one for wales, but much of the south of england, the midlands and east anglia will be dry once that cloud from that weather front, which is introducing the cooler air, clears away. It stays pretty blustery and wet through the evening and overnight across Northern Ireland and western scotland. A bit of a breeze blowing further south and a much more comfortable night as well. Much less humid tonight compared to the night just gone as temperatures dip down to 12 to 13 c. So a fresh feel for friday and generally a fine day across the south. Still pretty gusty across scotland. Still plenty more showers to come across the north and the west. A few showers for Northern Ireland, but generally a drier day here and the winds will be easing tomorrow to breezy across Northern England with a few showers zipping through. But the bulk of england and wales looking dry. Therell be some sunny spells instead of the heat. Temperatures much closer to average for the time of year. Bye for now. Bye for now. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather gb. News 10 am. On thursday. The 27th of june. Live across the United Kingdom. This is britains newsroom with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Well, he came out swinging, didnt he . The Prime Minister didnt he . The Prime Minister with the labour leader in their final , very with the labour leader in their final, very feisty tv debate last night. But the audience member stole the show. Robert. Robert blackstock , with this Robert Blackstock, with this question. Are you two really the best weve got to be the next Prime Minister of our great country. Junior doctors strike a five day strike in england started this morning over pay, but its looking very politically motivated. With the election being held a week today. Motivated. With the election being held a week today. Do you being held a week today. Do you think its pointless . I think its cruel now. Sir keir starmer finally distances himself from luvvy actor David Tennant, who told equalities minister Kemi Badenoch to shut up and he wished she didnt exist. An actor or an activist. Exist. An actor or an activist. And allegedly another sighting of jay slater. Of jay slater. Tenerife locals say that they spotted the missing teen celebrating whilst watching the euros. Its certainly an unfolding story and we will bnng unfolding story and we will bring you the latest. There are so many conspiracy theories now about jay slater, how terrible for his mum and dad who were out there searching for him. If he is , on the run for him. If he is, on the run for some reason or is shacked up with a gang or something because theyre worrying that hes lying at the bottom of a ravine dead. The speculation being that hes involved with some sort of criminal activity on the island, or hes just tried to get home and gone missing. But its certainly adding up to being very difficult for everybody whos involved in that case, but also for the Spanish Police, whove helicopters in the air, drones, hundreds of Police Officers searching the island for him. If it were that he is, on the run. Yeah. Then then i think that family is going to get a very big bill and they are crowdfunding as we speak. Yeah, theyve raised about £30,000. The family. Theres a very strange twist to this tale about who he was with. Were going to be getting to the bottom of this. Were going to be talking to somebody about this story in just a moment, so dont go anywhere. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say to let us know your thoughts. First though, the very latest news with tatiana sanchez. Beth, thank you very much. And good morning. Its 10 00. And good morning. Its10 00. The latest from the gb newsroom. The latest from the gb newsroom. Rishi sunak and sir keir starmer returned to the campaign trail today after they clashed over illegal immigration and the betting row in a Television Debate last night, with just one week before voters go to the polls, the labour leader accused the Prime Minister of being bullied into taking action in the betting scandal, while mr sunak repeatedly warned voters not to surrender to labours tax and migration plans. The pair also answered questions from an ianed also answered questions from an invited studio audience, with one asking how either leader was planning to control illegal immigration. Rwanda plan is a deterrent. You just have to listen to what the Illegal Migrants themselves are saying, one of them just said. Most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. Another one said i wont cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. If labour win , the people smugglers labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. Dont surrender our borders to the labour party. Record numbers coming across the channel and he says its a deterrent. There are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda, a huge expense to the taxpayer. There are tens of thousands. 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been Prime Minister in other news, police are to take the lead in investigations into some of the allegations about bets placed by politicians on the general election. Sir on the general election. Sir Philip Davies has become the latest tory candidate to be accused of gambling on the election date. He reportedly bet £8,000 against himself, holding his seat, according to the sun. But there is no suggestion hes done anything illegal. At least five conservatives are being investigated by the Gambling Commission as part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the july 4th poll. Labour has also been dragged into the row, suspending one candidate after he was investigated by the regulator for betting on himself to lose his own seat. Junior to lose his own seat. Junior doctors in england are walking off the job today for an 11th time since their dispute began around 20 months ago. Medics are warning that more strike action could take place in the summer if the next government does not move forward. Negotiations in a timely manner. Medics are walking out for five days now in their long running dispute over pay their long running dispute over pay. Junior doctors want a 35 pay pay. Junior doctors want a 35 pay rise. The British Medical Association has said its ready to talk and the union has already had some discussions with the labour party. It says. Junior doctors say Labours Shadow Health secretary wes streeting, has promised talks on the 5th of july if the party wins the election. The bma insists their junior members are historically underpaid. Our pay at the moment for a doctor in their first year is £15. 50. Were asking for that to be £21, £21 an hour for a doctor thats starting life saving treatment on our loved ones, £21 an hour for a doctor with Student Loans of £100,000. And because the pay cut has been so strong, were losing doctors. We dont have enough and we dont have enough doctors. Were seeing patients die needlessly in the nhs every single week. In the nhs every single week. Labour is pledging to turbocharge careers advice and Work Experience in schools to combat skill shortages in the workplace. As part of the partys plans to partner with businesses across the country, labour says its committed to delivering two weeks worth of quality Work Experience for every young person and recruit more than 1000 new careers advisers. The party says it would build partnerships between schools, colleges and local employers to equip young people with work ready skills, labour analysis estimates 1 million children are at risk of receiving inadequate information about the jobs shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson says the plans would facilitate a revolution in work readiness. But she also says working people will not be taxed more as a result of this. We want to grow our economy, we want to make sure we are a strong country for Wealth Creation and nothing in our manifesto requires any additional taxes beyond those that weve set out. For example, ending the tax breaks that private schools enjoy. And its why growing our economy is so central to the mission that laboun central to the mission that labour, that labour and Rachel Reeves have set out, because we know weve got to get out of this doom cycle of low growth and high taxation. Weve got to get our economy moving once more and use that as an opportunity to create jobs right across our country. Liberal democrats leader sir ed davey says the winner of the general election should pass an emergency budget to fix the healthcare system. The lib dems want to see a budget, which would be, they say, much more targeted in scope than a normal budget. The party says their manifesto pledges a £94 billion spending package for the nhs, healthcare and social care and there have been reports today that missing british teenagerj slater has been seen watching the euros football tournament as the euros football tournament as the search for him continues. The search for him continues. The probe has been thrown into further confusion as the tenerife mayor says Spanish Police are examining cctv footage and suggests several witnesses claimed to have seen the teen watching the football. The 19 year old has been missing for 11 days now. Yesterday Spanish Police searched a mountainous area by helicopter with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. J with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. J had gone used on the ground. J had gone on holiday for the first time without his parents. For the latest stories. Sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news complex. Now its back to andrew and. Bev. Andrew and. Bev. Good morning. Its 1008. Andrew and. Bev. Good morning. Its1008. This is britains newsroom, live across the United Kingdom on gb news with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Well, the equalities minister, Kemi Badenoch , shes minister, Kemi Badenoch, shes still in a rage with former labour minister dawn butler, who she said showed the true face of labourin she said showed the true face of labour in this row over womens rights. So this comes after doctor who actor David Tennant commented on Kemi Badenoch at an award ceremony. Have a look. The acknowledging that everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it, as long as theyre not hurting anyone else, should merit any kind of special award or special special mention because its common sense, isnt it . We shouldnt live in a world where that is worth remarking on. However, until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch does not exist anymore. I dont wish ill of her. I just wish her to shut up cheap. To which Kemi Badenoch replied in a tweet i will not shut up. I will not be silenced by men who prioritise applause from stonewall over the safety of women and girls. A rich lefty, white male celebrity, so bunded lefty, white male celebrity, so blinded by ideology that he cant see the optics of attacking the only black woman in government by calling publicly for my existence to end. Well, joining us now, our political commentators Matthew Stadlen and alex armstrong, to debate this. Matthew, let me come to you first. Morning, gentlemen. What did you make of kemis response . Matt well, im still reeling, bev, because while ive been waiting to come on, i think i heard you say that keir starmer, probably our Prime Minister in a weeks time, is a bit thick. Yeah, i did, but we can talk about that. On another occasion. About that. On another occasion. We were talking about the fact that he wasnt thinking on his feet during the debates. So lets stick with this issue. Response to Kemi Badenoch, please. Please. I think its a bit of a sideshow because as always, with these toxic culture wars, the people who are damaged are the people who are damaged are the people who are struggling to live their best lives in the real world. And i want to be completely clear about this. As someone who is known to be a left leaning commentator, i absolutely respect womens rights. Theyve been incredibly hard won. It women have had an incredibly tough time for centuries, and still women are fighting for equality in modern day britain. So thats the first thing i want to say. I also agree with keir starmer that when you talk about other human beings, you should talk about them with decency and with compassion and with understanding and what hes been trying to do. And he hasnt always got it right, is to try and tow this difficult line, try and tow this difficult line, try and navigate a difficult path to make sure that womens rights are protected. But at the same time, we dont throw trans women in particular under the bus. Did i think what David Tennant said was acceptable . No i didnt. Do i think he really wishes Kemi Badenoch harm . I jolly well hope so. I dont know David Tennant. I thought the way he said it was wrong and i understand why Kemi Badenoch took great offence at it. It. Alex, what ive just heard there is a lot of sort of, waffle really. No offence matt , waffle really. No offence matt, trying to pull together all of these issues whilst covering up this whole kind of left wing hashtag, be kind , but be kind to hashtag, be kind, but be kind to only certain types of people. Go on. Alex yeah, i mean its absolute hypocrisy at its finest, isnt it . David tennant, a man whos just receiving an award at a ceremony that celebrates advocacy and equality for all, is out there attacking the only black woman in the conservative government. And Kemi Badenoch is absolutely spot on. She shouldnt be told no woman generally should be told to shut up generally should be told to shut p by generally should be told to shut up by activists, let alone someone who is trying to protect womens spaces from, you know, potentially quite aggressive men, the whole thing is just full of irony, isnt it . Its completely exposed. The left for what they are and the fact that dawn. But the fact that dawn butler i hate the fact that matthew has completely forgotten to mention dawn butler, whos come out clapping her hands, agreeing with David Tennant on telling to her shut up and disappear. You know he wants this. This a man, David Tennant, saying that Kemi Badenoch to disappear. What kind of vulgar language is this . And its typical of the left, isnt it . It really, really is one rule for you, not another rule for me. And thats exactly what the pubucis. And thats exactly what the public is seeing today. And Kemi Badenoch response is spot on, matt, i think, David Tennant just showed a lack of also knowledge and sophistication about this issue. He was just playing to the crowd in the room because he knew they were going to agree with him. I have almost zero interest in David Tennant, the idea that David Tennant is being framed as somehow representative. What about dawn butler . The millions of what about the millions and the millions . Ill come to her in a second. The millions and millions of people in this country who are going to be voting for a Labour Government in a weeks time is totally absurd. This is a celebrity ization of politics. Who cares what a former doctor who it might be a good actor or a great actor, i dont know. I havent seen him in the theatre. Who cares what he thinks about this . I certainly dont. As for dawn butler, i dont particularly identify with dawn butlers strands of left wing politics. Shes a relatively fringe figure within the modern labour party. Yes, shes got a big following online, but i dont i dont think she stands for represents what keir starmer is trying to achieve with this labour party. Hes changed it massively. Hes literally put his predecessor from running as a labour candidate or being a labour mp. Everyone in this country should gb news viewers know. Itv news gb news viewers know. Itv news viewers know that starmer has changed the labour party. Its clear as day , clearly, not clear as day, clearly, not clearly not. How has he changed the labour party . Youre just saying that dawn butler doesnt represent the current labour party, but here she is standing for election under Keir Starmers bannen dawn butler should not, in my view, have stood up for David Tennant in the way that she did because ive already made perfectly clear. How is the labour party changed, david . What David Tennant was said was ill judged and i cannot imagine standing on a public platform and speaking in the way that he did, because quite obviously optics matter, and it is true that Kemi Badenoch is the only female black person , the only female black person, the only female black person, the only female black person, the only black woman in the government in the cabinet. And so to talk about her in that way, although i cant believe for a second he intended it in a racist way, but to talk about her in that way and to tell a woman, given all the history of misogyny, that ive already outlined and the discrimination against women and its ongoing, to tell a woman to shut up is unacceptable. So i think dawn butler might have been better, better placed if she hadnt involved herself in this row. But does she stand for Keir Starmers labour party and values more generally . I dont think she does. Okay. Thank you gentlemen. Matthew stadler and alex armstrong. Always great value. Thank you both in the studio with us is the former labour defence secretary, geoff hoon, who ive known for a very long time. Geoff, theyve debated that. Id rather talk to you. You were a labour mp in 1992 when the tories won an improbable election victory. 1997 you went into government for the first time in 18 years. Whats it like because you havent been in power for 18 years. How do you know what to do . How do you know what levers to pull . Youre a minister immediately. I mean, was it daunting . It is daunting. Its a huge challenge, particularly when labour candidates will have been fighting hard fights up and down the country in difficult constituencies. Sometimes and then suddenly to be parachuted into government without much real experience of the Civil Service. It was almost like a curtain opening on the stage to reveal lots of people, lots of participants who, frankly, who didnt know anything about before. And, well, im thinking of the first blair cabinet. Margaret beckett was probably one of the few whod had ministerial experience , but as ministerial experience, but as a very junior minister for five minutes in 1974, i think Jack Cunningham was aukus. Thats right, a minister previously. Yeah but at the same time, for most of us, i recognise it was a very new experience. And i think tony blair has written about the fact that even he, as Prime Minister, didnt quite know which were the levers to pull in that first penod levers to pull in that first period in government, and it took him some time to get used took him some time to get used to the process and what to do, frankly, talking of pulling levers and tony blair, i dont know whether you saw during the debate last night, but there was the viewer who weve just spoken to this morning who said that he believes that keir starmer is still now having his levers pulled by tony blair. Is that true . Is that true . Is that true . I dont accept that for a moment. Keir starmer is very much his own man. Hes actually got a lot more experience of government than most future Prime Ministers might expect to have, having no. Hes only been an mp since 2015. Never been a minister. Well, no, but hes run a government , in effect a government, in effect a government, in effect a Government Department because he was director of Public Prosecutions, director of Public Prosecutions and had a team of Civil Servants. I think that was the big change for me. Going back to your previous question, suddenly having been surrounded by other people in the labour party as a minister, you have to deal with a very large Civil Service experts, people whove beenin service experts, people whove been in their job for very many years. You arrive. I arrived in what was then the lord chancellors department, not really having had any experience of dealing with those people before. And if we believe. Yes, minister, quite often the Civil Servants can pull the wool over the ministers. Ministers eyes, particularly a young excuse me, inexperienced minister like you would have been in 97. Did you have to be careful, wary of that . Actually, i found in contrast, i had a private secretary who really supported me very strongly in that first period. And i think the Civil Service, whilst remaining politically impartial, were ready for a change in 97, which i think they are now. And frankly, i suspect thats true. They will be absolutely neutral. They will be absolutely neutral. They will be absolutely neutral. They will maintain the very highest traditions. But again , i highest traditions. But again, i think what has happened recently is comparable to the period of john majors government, because towards 1997 there was very little legislation, there was very little happening. The Civil Service were waiting for that change. And although im not part of it, any longer, i suspect that something similar is happening. Suspect that something similar is happening. There hasnt been is happening. There hasnt been much legislation in recent times. I think they will be looking for leadership. They will be looking for direction. Theyll be looking for legislation, frankly, because they want to see their policy ideas translated into reality. Ideas translated into reality. There are similarities to accident prone john majors government was accident prone, gaffe after gaffe, sleaze scandals. And weve seen that, havent we . With the dying days of the sunak government, i think there are lots of lots of comparisons, it was maastricht and that whole process in the early part of john majors administration that i think made him together with very great difficulties on his own backbenches, reluctant to legislate because he was never quite sure whether he could win a vote and get legislation through. And i think something similar has happened in the in the dying days of this conservative administration. Let me ask you, bread and butter issue about the campaign. Darren jones, chief secretary of the treasury, normally seen as a safe pair of hands, telegraph have got hold of a tape where hes telling his constituents actually the cost of decarbonising the economy. The race to zero net by 2030 is going to cost hundreds of billions of pounds. Well, they havent told us that before. Is this is this this is the real truth, isnt it, jeff . If were going to go for this green dash, its going to cost everybody watching this programme and listening a lot of money. But what darren jones was referring to was the way in which government has to stimulate investment from the private sector. So that huge private sector. So that huge number is talking about is the required investment from private enterprise , looking at the enterprise, looking at the opportunities, what if you dont get it . Well thats something that we will have to deal with. Well thats a big if isnt it. Well its an if but ive been at this game long enough to know that i shouldnt deal with those kinds of questions. What i think is important about what he was saying is that it will be a partnership. Government has a role to play , undoubtedly, in role to play, undoubtedly, in shaping the nature of our environmental future. But at the same time, the investment has to come from the private sector. Thats where the billions of pounds come. I get that, joe. But dont you think it would have been better if the labour had been upfront about this, rather than we get this from a leaked tape recording of the next chief secretary of the treasury. That is what infuriates people. Why arent we being being told all this up front . I think the i think the labour party would be very clear about. I dont think they have. Well, if youll forgive me , ill well, if youll forgive me, ill try and explain. Yeah. Weve talked categorically and very plainly in the manifesto about the need for growth. Part of that growth undoubtedly will involve investment in green policies, in ensuring that the country is decarbonised. That involves money. Theres no doubt about it. But that money has to come from the private sector, and they will only invest if they see a stable economy, which again, is why keir starmer has talked so much about stability, trying to provide the country with a level of activity by government which is not swinging around in the way weve seen in recent times. And i think thats absolutely admirable. And all the people i know in the Business Community are looking forward to that degree of stability, because from that stability, because from that stability, they are then allowed to invest. They wont invest if they believe that the economy is bouncing around from one place to another, they will invest with that kind of stability, aiming for growth. Aiming for growth. Okay, unfortunately, weve been beaten by the clock. Jeff, thank you so much. Jeff, whom former labour defence secretary what are you going to be in the house of lords soon. Interesting. Right. Up next. Yeah. Another poll has been released and this time its good news for reform uk. Find out how many seats they are apparently in line for. This is britains newsroom on. Gb news. It is 1025. Britains newsroom with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Really fascinating seeing jeffrey. And i remember him as a young mp in 1992. Do you . Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you . Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he was a rising star in the labour party. But hes ashfield, wasnt he. Ashfield Stephen Powis Stephen Pound chipping in colleague and jack carson. And look whos back emma webb is back this time in the new studio. Do you like it. We now have to go through all the flipping names in that constituency, because youve just mentioned the name of a candidate. Thank you very much. Right. Thank you very much. Right. Dont worry, let us start with your opinions. Thats what were to here hear about. So the Election Debate last night, who do you think won that, stephen . Doesit do you think won that, stephen . Does it make any difference with a week to go . Well, i thought what was interesting is that, you know, rishi, the brakes were off there. He was absolutely cooking on gas, wasnt he . He went steaming in there. Why couldnt he have done that a couple of months ago . Actually, though, from a labour point of view, thank heavens he didnt do that a couple of months ago. I think we actually saw interesting aspects of both the characters there. I mean, in many ways, kirsten was just looking horrified at this nonsense, risible nonsense about the £2,000 tax rise. But you cant deny the fact that rishi sunak, when he did this thing about are you going to negotiate with the ayatollahs and the taliban are its devastating. He had nothing. He had nothing. Starmer had a torpedo below the waterline and he had. And what i find still amazing, hes supposed to be this sophisticated , clever this sophisticated, clever lawyer. He did. There was no response. I mean, it was and it was a huge gaffe. Yeah. But andrew, you know and i know that rishi sunak had nothing to lose and everything to lose. Yeah well he lost a lot on that 5050. But it kind of raises this issue. I you know i said before i dont think keir starmer is particularly bright, but he does raise this issue of what what quantifies intelligence. What is it to be an intelligent politician . Is it about being able to think on your feet, or should you just be able to talk from the heart . Emotional intelligence isnt it . There are different ways of being intelligent, but theres a certain, certain types and certain, certain types and certain degrees of intelligence that you accept, expect from people who who might become the next Prime Minister. Well, he will and actually , well, he will and actually, its a really sorry state. I think that to have a current Prime Minister debating a kc who may very well become Prime Minister and for the debate to be so profoundly mediocre, even though rishi sunak did perform better than usual, the exception proves the rule in many ways, and i think keir starmer has has gotten away. Not quite scot free, but hes been given an easy ride, i think, because theres been so much focus on theres been so much focus on the conservative partys failures. And so he hasnt really , until this last week, really, until this last week, been subjected to proper scrutiny. And when you ask him for actual details, i think the a Brilliant Exchange where rishi kept pressing him on the migrants and he just says, well , migrants and he just says, well, well process them, well process them. Well, what are you going to do . Are you going to negotiate with the taliban . Are you going to negotiate with the ayatollahs, and i think its just clear as day that he is hes hes not living in the real world when he gets into office and is faced with the real challenges, you know, how does he think hes actually going to do those things . People need to know how much things are going to cost and how theyre going to be done before they can. They can, you know, make an informed vote. Well, hell just pick up the phone to tony blair and ask him what to do, wont you, stephen . Good heavens no, no, hes got a pager for that. Is he a pager . Does he send him a fax . No, that was back in 97 when we all had these. Had to wear these pages, breathe in, breathe out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Dennis Skinner kept dropping. But thats what the suspicion is. And in fact, thats what the viewer who we spoke to earlier this morning says that were not sure that keir starmer is really in charge and who is pulling his strings. Oh come on, no, nobodys pulling his strings. Read Danny Finkelstein in the times, whos known him since we were all at lse together back in the back in back in the 30s. Back in the 80s. And keir starmer has been consistent, you know, throughout his life and you know hes also hes done an enormous amount you know when he was doing pro bono work with the mclibel case, he was helping people out. You know, he was a human rights lawyer in a, in a particularly an unforgiving environment that he was working in. So youd think he would know better when it comes to the European Court of human rights. You think that he would be aware and perhaps he is aware. Perhaps he is aware. He doesnt have any real intentions to deal with. Were under under, pressure on we want to talk about another really interesting legal dilemma here. This is the story about the driver of the land rover ploughed into that school in wimbledon last year. Two eight year old girls were killed. She faces no criminal charges because shed had her first ever epileptic seizure at the wheel. The parents of the little girls are outraged because they say there should be some sanction. Well, this is a case. This is the case down in the study school, down in wimbledon. And on the one hand, when it happened, we were on air. We thought it was a terror attack. Well, as everybody, two young girls were killed, but look. Yeah, the reality is that there are some things which are absolutely unavoidable. You know, Insurance Companies used to use the expression an act of god. Im not sure about that. But in this particular case, it is not the womans fault. There was there was no, you know, in law they have this principle, mens rea. You have to actually have the impetus to, to commit the crime. You cant theres got to be the intention there. Look, it nothing would bring those two girls back. And why destroy another life . Its horrendous. Its tragic. But actually prosecuting that woman for having an epileptic fit at the wheel of a car. Yeah. And it does nobody any service. She is going to be live with the guilt of this for the rest of her life. She is traumatised. She still has no memory of what happened either. Read my mind because i was going to say, you know, whats the purpose of some kind of sanction of punishing her . Imagine if you had had a seizure and then killed two children. Yeah, that is, i imagine every time she wakes up in the morning, shes thinking about those little girls. And you can understand where the parents are coming from because theyre grieving, and they want to feel that there is some kind of justice. But unfortunately, there are sometimes situations in which there can be no justice. It is just an horrific situation. And if the woman had noidea situation. And if the woman had no idea that she , you know, no idea that she, you know, shed never had an epileptic fit before, she thought she was fit to drive. As steven said, you know, there can be no intention there. Itsjust know, there can be no intention there. Its just a horrible accident. The rule is malice aforethought. No, the rules are very strict. The rules are very strict around as well. Driving with epilepsy. Because my ex husband developed epilepsy after a head injury. And therefore you have to be a year fit free on medication before you can even get behind the wheel of a vehicle again. Oh yes. I mean, i remember a bus driver coming to see me had exactly that situation. You had to produce a lot of medical evidence, but this had never happened before. Yeah yeah. So i think its sympathy all round. I think tragic for everybody. Right. Were going to move on for just now. Everybody. Right. Were going to move on forjust now. Emma and steven, well be back in a little while, though. Dont go anywhere. Heres the news headunes anywhere. Heres the News Headlines with tatiana. Headlines with tatiana. Beth. Thank you. The top stories this hour. Rishi sunak and sir keir starmer returned to the campaign trail today after they clashed over illegal immigration and the betting row in a Television Debate last night. With just a week to go before voters go to the polls, the labour leader accused the Prime Minister of being bullied into taking action in the betting scandal, while mr sunak repeatedly warned voters not to surrender to labours tax and migration plans. The pair also answered questions from a studio audience, with one asking how theyre each planning to control illegal immigration. Rwanda plan is a deterrent. You just have to listen to what the Illegal Migrants themselves are saying, one of them just said. Most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. Another one said i wont cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. If labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. Dont surrender our borders to the labour party. Record numbers coming across the channel and he says its a deterrent. There are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda, a huge expense to the taxpayer. There are tens of thousands, 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been Prime Minister police are to take the lead in investigations into some of the allegations about bets placed by politicians on the general election. Sir Philip Davies has become the latest tory candidate to be accused of gambling on the election date. He reportedly bet £8,000 against himself holding his seat, according to the sun. But theres no suggestion hes done anything illegal. At least five conservatives are being investigated by the Gambling Commission as part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the july 4th poll. Labour has also been dragged into the row, suspending one candidate after he was investigated by the regulator for betting on himself to lose his seat. Junior doctors in england are walking off the job for an 11th time in almost a yeah job for an 11th time in almost a year. Medics are warning that more strike action could take place in the summer if the next government doesnt move negotiations forward in a timely manner. Junior doctors are walking out for five days, this time in their long running dispute over pay. They want a 35 pay rise. The British Medical Association says its ready to talk, and the union has already had some discussions with the labour party. It says , with the labour party. It says, and there are reports that missing british teenagerj slater has been seen watching the euros football tournament as the euros football tournament as the search for him continues. The probe has been thrown into further confusion as the tenerife mayor says Spanish Police are examining cctv footage and suggest several witnesses claim to have seen the teen. The 19 year old has been missing for 11 days now. Yesterday, Spanish Police searched a mountainous area by helicopter with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. This morning, one media outlet has reported that jay slaters mother has withdrawn a gofundme donation page that was set up to raise money for the family. Donation page that was set up to raise money for the family. For raise money for the family. For the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Carmelites. Gb news. Carmelites. Cheers i cheers cheers britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report , and heres a quick report, and heres a quick snapshot of todays markets. The pound will buy you 151. 2639 the pound will buy you 1. 2639 and ,1. 1823. The price of gold is £1,828. 36 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 8212 points. Cheers, britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report , so if you Financial Report, so if you would like to join us on Election Night, gb news will be live in essex with Michelle Dewberry and Patrick Christys, where theyre going to be hosting a gb news exclusive coverage, which will no doubt be a huge amount of fun. So if you want to be a part of our exclusive Live Audience in essex, you can apply now either by scanning the qr code on the screen or you visit gbnews. Com forward slash election party. That is going to be so much more interesting to watch than some boring bbc output. Very some boring bbc output. Very dry. Its going to be brilliant. Yeah, rory bloomin stewarts on channel 4. Whod want to watch that . No sense. Patrick and michelle, that is the dream team, right . Still to come, were going to be talking to the man who managed earth, wind and fire. Hes been winter wonderland. Oh, no. I love that song. I love that song. I love that song. I did not know that was going to happen. Yeah, well, he has been caught up in the heathrow wonderland. Air baggage chaos. Okay, this is britains newsroom on gb news. 1040 britains newsroom. Youre in britains newsroom with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. We have to read out the full list of those who declared their candidacy in the ashfield constituency. Because Stephen Pound mentioned one of them. Thank you. Stephen they are really keen. Labour party debbie solomon, tory party, lee anderson, reform Alexanda Kotey for the green party. Jason zadrozny hes an independent. Daniel holmes who is a liberal democrat. Dont forget, we want to know your say about all the issues were talking about now. Heathrow airport has been left in chaos after an it meltdown. Okay, so passengers saw faced hours of delay waiting to collect their bags. Planes even left the airport without peoples luggage. Peoples luggage. Some of those affected included the Legendary Music manager nick stewart, which is why i was singing very badly. Boogie wonderland, because one of his bands was the memorable earth, wind and fire. Nick joins us now. Nick, were not asking us now. Nick, were not asking you to reprise , the greatest you to reprise, the greatest hits. Earth, wind and fires greatest hits, but what happened to you at the airport and how infuriating is it . I have to tell you straight away that i must report your appalling, impersonator, philip bailey, to the band at the earliest notice. But good morning to you both. Thank you morning to you both. Thank you for having me on. The problem began with an it situation on tuesday night. My wife and i and the couple were travelling and staying with arrived early on wednesday morning. Everything wednesday morning. Everything looked fine, checked in bags, checked in, landed in lefkadas airport and was told by a obviously highly embarrassed young greek lady that only about 10 of the bags. It may be slightly more had arrived from heathrow. 75 bags, therefore had not arrived and handed us a qr code piece of paper, which was fine, but i suddenly realised we all realised there were many planes affected by this. So this qr code put us into a site that immediately crashed, and it was quite interesting. I, i tried everything i could, i went through the executive club of ba that they dont tend to speak to you. You fill in forms. Theyre quite efficient with their form filling. And finally late last night, we were told that our luggage had been identified. Would be on a flight from london to athens. International would be arriving at 2 10. Since when . This morning, i should add, since when . Weve heard nothing , since when . Weve heard nothing, and you know, it does seem its strange now that in the world in which we live with so much going on that this happens a lot. Yeah. And i just want to throw Something Else in, really, for the benefit of any of your viewers who are going on holiday and may suffer this. Again, i think this is a not a Public Service announcement, but i, i did use the British Airways social media site on on x and something very interesting happened. I was immediately hacked by scammers who told me to do this and told me to do that, and all the rest of it. I started off quite reluctantly and i soon realised they were scammers. When they asked for my bank account. So if anybody , if bank account. So if anybody, if anybody gets in this situation, make sure you check the person thats being in touch with you, because these scammers have no followers and are not following anybody. The only people to trust at British Airways are those that have a yellow tick and never give anybody your bank details. I hope thats useful. Yeah. Nick, did they give you any explanation as to why the bags hadnt made it onto the plane . Because sometimes its this sort of absence, this vacuum of knowledge, which can be most infuriating in these situations. Very good. I think the answer is it was a roll on from what had happened with the it problem at heathrow terminal five on the tuesday night. And, theyre just tuesday night. And, theyre just not very i mean , im afraid to not very i mean, im afraid to say theyre just a combination of things. Theyre just not very good at gripping these situations and sorting them out. I mean, we are now going to have to i hope we get our luggage today, but we may not get it until saturday. So weve got to go and buy a whole set of clothes, right . I know ba promised to compensate us and they will, but thats an expensive exercise. You think about it. You know, many plane loads of people going out and spending up to £500 to replace what hasnt been delivered. Thats very expensive. And it also it also takes the edge off your holiday. It does doesnt it . It does doesnt it . It does doesnt it . It takes the edge off your houday it takes the edge off your holiday youve just arrived in. Its chaos. Looking at the view, ive got and where i am that is that is a factor, but not much of one. Im in the land of odysseus and ithaca, so i really it seems terrible to complain and i made the two points. The second one actually was as much as anything else is key because there are a lot of there are a lot of scammers out there and they are quite clever at what they do. And i just wanted to let your viewers know as far as the, as far as my luggage is concerned, it will be delivered. I, i have had to go out at late last night and purchase a few things, including this splendid t shirt. Very nice it is too. We look very smart, nick, and we really appreciate it because i do think its really good to inform people in these situations to and know youre not alone when youre stranded at the hotels with no clothes. And just tell me where earth, wind and fire are. Dream to work with. Yes, and they still are. By the way, they were a bit should be deleted from your vocabulary unden be deleted from your vocabulary under. All right. Theyre still very much alive and kicking. Performing winter wonderland, performing september and all the rest of it. Im trying to get to come back over here. Oh, really . Well, if they come back, im going to the concert. Were just going to play concert. Were just going to play a clip of one of their finest, and then well get your response. Nick, have a listen. Oh, oh, here it. We havent got the audio. Well they look great, but weve got no volume. Weve got no volume. There we go. Im so sorry about that. That was a last minute addition weve got. No we should have just got you to sing it. Andrew pierce, as we know you can do an excellent job would ever come back. Well, that was nick stewart. What a great man. Weve got to read out a statement from heathrow who say we advise passengers to check with ba before travelling to the airport i ba passengers in terminals 5th may be impacted and are advised to contact ba for assistance. Aba spokesperson goes on to say this issue has been resolved and we brought in additional colleagues to support our teams in getting bags back to customers as quickly as possible. Of course, it hasnt been resolved because the luggage is now in athens and nick and his wife and friends are on a greek island, which is a long way from athens. Yet another example of this Technological Society that is relying on this stuff to work. And it never bloomin works. And then it costs the companies more. Its almost as if were being discouraged from travelling at all, because that would keep the eco lot very happy if we all decided to never get on a plane again. Right up next, where is jay slater . The lancashire teenager has been missing for 11 days now. Well bnng missing for 11 days now. Well bring you latest and turns in just a now to the latest on the for search the lancashire teenager, jay slater. Youll be familiar with this story. Hes been missing in tenerife now for 11 days. The mayor of a town close to where jay disappeared claims that some locals think they saw the 19 year old watching the euro. So Charlie Peters is with us now to bring us up to speed. Charlie, what what is the latest . So theyve released a cctv image of a suspected sighting of jay slater, just ten hours after he originally went missing last monday, the 17th of june, at around 850. Thats when his location was last seen on his phone, and he was said to have had 1 battery on the phone to his friend, lucy said he was dehydrated, thirsty. Hed cut his leg on a cactus and he was going to attempt that walk. 36 going to attempt that walk. 36 miles from the north west. The rural latino park where he was last heard from and all the way to the south, los cristianos, where his accommodation was now. This village, this small town where his reported sighting is about three and a half miles away from the park. So its possible he could have made that journey in ten hours. But you would suspect that if he had been seen on cctv that thered been seen on cctv that thered be further sightings of him as well. But the mayor there, emilio jose navarro, he said that officers from the civil guard are investigating the situation. Theyre also speaking to people who claim that they saw him as well. But as you can imagine, on the island of tenerife, plenty of people who look like jay slater spent plenty of young lads from Northern Europe who are on holiday. So at this point i think its highly unlikely that actually was him. But were waiting for further information, police have said enigmatically. They are pursuing other lines of inquiry which suggest theyre not just looking for him in the Mountain Pass where he may have fallen or fainted or collapsed and potentially died, so what is the other thing theyre looking at, charlie . Is it the fact that he may have got involved in some form of criminal Gang Activity or drugs activity . Well, one of the many strange things about this case is that the civil guard and the Spanish Police, both from the canaries and also from the mainland, theyve yet to hold a news conference. Theres not been one single official press conference from the police or the mountain rescue teams. All the information were getting as snippets here and there from journalists on the ground and individual bits of information. We havent had that Big Press Conference to say what theyre looking at. All we can tell is based on what we see, which is mountain rescue, sniffer dogs , mountain rescue, sniffer dogs, helicopters and drones all around the rural area. But at the same time, we have heard from a Third Party Investigator whos been brought in by the family, Debbie Duncan, jays mother , has involved many people mother, has involved many people in this rescue operation. This in this rescue operation. This Third Party Investigator said yesterday that he was looking at the drug underworld on the island as a potential line of inquiry. He said that there is a significant underworld of criminality on tenerife, and there are many questions about why on earth were these two boys that jay was with on the night . Why were they renting a man . Actually, i think they think theyre late 30s. Early 40s apparently. Why were they renting so far north away from the area where people are partying, where people are normally staying there in an isolated area, and thats part of the trouble with this search is theyre looking for ravines, mountainous areas, rocky cliff faces. Its a very difficult terrain i charlie. We know why the media with the police talk to the media in this country when theres a search on. Because if you you get the message out there , people may have spotted there, people may have spotted him or her whos missing and the Spanish Police do it differently, and theyre not going to change their, their strategy. The tactics and procedures seem pretty set now. After 11 days, the families made their own appeals, of course. And actually this morning we had an update from Debbie Duncan, jays mother, on their gofundme page, saying that they are now attempting to extract some of the £36,000 thats been raised in order to support the mountain rescue teams and pay for their living costs on the island. They also are extending their a lot more. We could have talked about charlie. Weve been beaten by the clock and Kwasi Kwarteng is waiting to come in here and talk to us. Heres your weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news morning. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. Unseasonably wet and windy weather hitting parts of scotland and Northern Ireland this morning. Further south, things are turning cooler, still pretty warm across east anglia and the south east, but far from warm in the north west gusty, blustery conditions for Northern Ireland and western scotland. Quite a bit of rain coming in here as well. A grey start over the midlands and southern england, but it will brighten up here as we go through the day. A few showers possible for wales and developing across Northern England also temperature wise, well still up into the mid 20s across east anglia and the south east before things turn fresher elsewhere. Temperatures are down compared to yesterdays and certainly it feels a lot cooler with this very wet and windy weather across scotland and Northern Ireland. Not a day to be in the highlands of scotland. Quite blustery conditions, but largely dry across the far north east of scotland. Showers coming into southern scotland. Coming into southern scotland. Wet and windy also for Northern Ireland. Again not great conditions here. Gusty winds and rain on and off throughout the afternoon. A few showers will get into north west england, the odd one for wales, but much of the south of england, the midlands and east anglia will be dry once that cloud from that weather front, which is introducing the cooler air, clears away. It stays pretty blustery and wet through the evening and overnight across Northern Ireland and western scotland. A bit of a breeze blowing further south and a much more comfortable night as well. Much less humid tonight compared to the night just gone as temperatures dip down to 12 to 13 c. So a fresher feel for friday and generally a fine day across the south. Still pretty gusty across scotland. Still plenty of more showers to come across the north and the west. A few showers for Northern Ireland, but generally a drier day here and the winds will be easing tomorrow to breezy across Northern England with a few showers zipping through. But the bulk of england and wales looking dry. Therell be some sunny spells instead of the heat. Temperatures much closer its 11 am. On thursday, the 27th of june. Live across the uk. This is britains newsroom with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Very good morning to you. So sunak came out swinging last night. The Prime Minister and the labour leader had their final feisty tv debate. But audience member Robert Blackstock stole the show with this question. Are you two really the best . Weve got to be the next Prime Minister of our great country , minister of our great country, speaking for lots of people , speaking for lots of people, wasnt he . Junior doctors are on strike again for five days in england over their 35 pay rise. Very dangerous. Were going to talk to a Junior Doctor about it. I think its wicked. Think its wicked. Sir keir starmer has distanced himself from David Tennant after he told equalities minister Kemi Badenoch to shut up his tennant and actor or an activist in your opinion, is he allowed to be and is this the true cost of net zero . In a leaked recording , in a leaked recording, labours darren jones, he will be chief secretary to the treasury, said the original £28 billion to go green was a drop in the ocean. It will actually be hundreds of billions of pounds. And we talked to geoff hoon about that and he came out with about that and he came out with a party line, didnt he . But actually, why dont they level with us if theyre going to rush us into zero net by 2030 or 2050, level with how much its going to cost . Yeah. Going to cost . Yeah. Let us know your thoughts this morning. Gbnews. Com yoursay. First though, the very latest news with tatiana sanchez. Beth, thank you very much. Good morning. The top stories. Rishi sunak and sir keir starmer returned to the campaign trail today after they clashed over illegal immigration and the betting row in a Television Debate last night, with just a week before voters go to the polls, the labour leader accused the Prime Minister of being bullied into taking action in the betting scandal, while mr sunak repeatedly warned voters to not surrender to labours tax and migration plans. The pair also answered questions from an ianed also answered questions from an invited studio audience, with one asking how either leader was planning to control illegal immigration. Rwanda plan is a deterrent. You just have to listen to what the Illegal Migrants themselves are saying. One of them just said. Most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. Another one said, i wont cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. If labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. Dont surrender our borders to the labour party. Record numbers coming across the channel and he says its a deterrent. There are a few deterrent. There are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda, a huge expense to the taxpayer. There are tens of thousands, 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been Prime Minister police are to take the lead in investigations into some of the allegations about bets placed by politicians on the general election. Sir philip general election. Sir Philip Davies has become the latest tory candidate to be accused of gambling on the election. He reportedly bet £8,000 against himself holding his seat. Thats according to the times, but theres no suggestion hes done anything illegal. At least five conservatives are being investigated by the Gambling Commission as part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the july 4th poll. Labour has also been dragged into the row, suspending one candidate after he was investigated by the regulator for betting on himself to lose his seat. Now a regulator for betting on himself to lose his seat. Now a man understood to be a member of the labour party, who was arrested in connection with the so called westminster honeytrap scandal, has been released on bail. The met police says the arrest relates to an investigation being carried out by its parliamentary liaison and investigation team, following reports of unsolicited messages sent to mps and others. In other sent to mps and others. In other news, Junior Doctors in england are walking off the job for an 11th time in almost a year. Medics are warning that more strike action could take place in the summer if the next government doesnt move forward negotiations in a timely manner. Medics are walking out for five days, this time in their long running dispute over pay. Junior doctors want a 35 pay increase. The British Medical Association has said its ready to talk, and the union has already had some discussions with the labour party. It says the British Medical Association insists their junior members medical association insists theirjunior members are their junior members are historically underpaid. Our pay at the moment for a doctor in their first year is £15. 50. Were asking for that to be £21, £21 an hour for a doctor thats starting life saving treatment on our loved ones, £21 an hour for a doctor with Student Loans of £100,000. And because the pay cut has been so strong, were losing doctors. We dont have enough and we dont have enough doctors. Were seeing patients die needlessly in the nhs every single week. In the nhs every single week. The labour party is pledging to turbocharge careers advice and Work Experience in schools. They say , to combat skill they say, to combat skill shortages in the workplace as part of the partys plans to partner with businesses across the country, labour has committed to delivering two weeks worth of quality Work Experience for every young person and recruit more than 1000 new careers advisers. The party says it would build partnerships between schools , partnerships between schools, colleges and local employers to equip young people with work ready skills, labour analysis estimates 1 million children are at risk of receiving inadequate information about the jobs. Shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson told gb news the plans would facilitate a revolution in the work readiness. But she says working people will not be taxed more as a result. We want to grow our economy, we want to make sure we are a strong country for Wealth Creation and nothing in our manifesto requires any additional taxes beyond those that weve set out. For example, ending the tax breaks that private schools enjoy. And its why growing our economy is so central to the mission that laboun central to the mission that labour, that labour and Rachel Reeves have set out, because we know weve got to get out of this doom cycle of low growth and high taxation. Weve got to get our economy moving once more and use that as an opportunity to create jobs right across our country. And there have been reports today that missing british teenager j. Slater has been seen teenagerj. Slater has been seen watching the euros football as the search for him continues. The probe has been thrown into further confusion as the tenerife mayor says Spanish Police are examining cctv footage and suggest several witnesses claimed to have seen him watching the football the 19 year old has been missing now for 11 days. Yesterday, Spanish Police searched a mountainous area by helicopter, with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. J had gone on holiday for his first time without his parents. And for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. Or you can go to gb news carmelites. Now its back to andrew and. Bev. Its back to andrew and. Bev. 1107 this is britains 1107 this is britains newsroom on gb news, live across the United Kingdom with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. So weve got in studio Kwasi Kwarteng, former chancellor exchequer, whether a few few weeks anyway and sam fowles who is one of our favourite barristers. Hi there. Hi there. Betting this is an issue thats really cut through kwasi on the doorstep. Without a doubt its a problem , particularly for its a problem, particularly for the tories. Yeah, and weve even heard about one candidate today bet £8,000 on himself to lose. Extraordinary philip davis. Extraordinary philip davis. Yeah. Yeah. So i think were confusing a lot of things. Right. The lot of things. Right. The principal issue about the election date. Yeah is the election date. Yeah is the suspicion that people knew. Yeah. What the what it was privileged. They were in a privileged. They were in a privileged inside circle. Yeah. And they put money on that. And thats effectively cheating. Yeah. Because they know something that the rest of the pubuc something that the rest of the public dont know, generally in political betting youre not privileged. I mean, i remember betting, i think, on Yvette Cooper to win the labour leadership 2015. Well, it didnt actually. Yeah, it was only like actually. Yeah, it was only like a fiver. Yeah, yeah, a tenner. But i think that sort of betting where youre, youre not using privileged information, youre just the same as any other regular sort of betting gambler, punter. I regular sort of betting gambler, punter. I think thats fine. Theres nothing illegal about that. So what about alister jack, the scottish secretary, who apparently joked to the bbc hed put a bet on the election time and then said he didnt and then said, well, actually, he put on several bets, but they werent. The bets werent placed during the time in may when he, you know, he was not privileged. He had no privilege information. Yeah. I think is that acceptable . The key thing is to distinguish between inside information. Yeah. And when you look at the actual bets placed on the date, they, they shot up the day before he announced the date. Yeah. So clearly something was going on and thats wrong. And illegal. But if youre making an educated guess as to when the election might be three months out or four months out, i didnt really see the problem with that. I quite like philip daviss response. Sorry, because philip davis said its got nothing to do with anybody. If i put a bet on privately and im with him on that, i think hes absolutely right and hes put the bet on that he will lose his seat. Yeah, i mean, i think if you were involved as a so when i bet on the labour leadership, i had no dog in the fight. Correct. That was just my assessment of where things were completely got it completely wrong. But i think there might be a question if youre a candidate. Yeah, because people might say , well, because people might say, well, you deliberately chucked it. Maybe. Maybe you wouldnt. Yeah its difficult to, you know, he wouldnt know. And i think but but theres been a healthy tradition of political betting in this country, you know, for centuries. Yeah, and you know, we can have a debate as to whether thats right or wrong , whether thats right or wrong, but its just been there. I mean, in america, they banned political parties. Yeah, and so all the americans use our websites to bet on politics. Well , that works, but i think well, that works, but i think i think the big distinction is between having inside information. Yeah. Which is privileged information and hard lovin. Sam as a lawyer. I mean, it would be also quite hard to police because, okay, if youve got privileged information that of course its wrong, you shouldnt do it. But you could always just get your mate to put the bet on. Yeah. I mean , we do police it yeah. I mean, we do police it though. We police it in respect of sports, for example, we police it in respect of all the massive array of things that you can bet on. And so its clearly possible to, to identify if someones doing something, something dodgy, so i agree with kwasi in that sense where i disagree , is that the sort of disagree, is that the sort of general if you dont have, its okayif general if you dont have, its okay if you dont have any inside information. I agree its legal. But as a voter, as someone whos not in politics, one of the real problems i have with our Political Class is they seem to think politics is a game, and youve got a Political Class that is very good and very expert at winning the political game. And, as weve discovered, game. And, as weve discovered, not very expert at actually governing a country. So as a voter, i dont want to see people that are running for office betting on things i dont want to see them treating it like a game. I want to see them taken a bit more seriously. To be honest. Thats quite a good point, actually. Look, i think we can be very puritanical about this. Yeah. You know, i mean, someone who is an mp putting a tenner on a leadership race in another party. What if its 100 . What if its £8,000 . What if its £8,000 . Whatever. Whatever the amount is . I dont think thats wrong. I mean, you might say, okay, he shouldnt be gambling, but i dont see a moral indictment. I mean, i think i think i think were getting very, very, very puritanical about. But doesnt it become a little bit like a premier League Footballer putting a bet on because you mentioned sport, sam putting a bet on that their team is going to lose. Thats different because theyre in the team and theyve got an interest. So the outcome theyre involved in. But if youre if youre betting on something external where you dont have privileged information, where you dont have any influence, i dont see the problem. But if youre a candidate who puts a lot of money on the fact youre going to lose your own election, they will. What off . The suspicion that i agree with you. Thats different. So . So the issue i was talking about is somebody in politics might be an mp betting on something where they dont have privileged information and they dont know anything more than anyone else. Now, you can say theyre compromising it because they should have higher thoughts and higher, but you know, were part of a gambling culture, Something Like half of adults, you know, take a flutter. And if its something that half of adults arent trying to run the country, are they . No. But look, i mean, some mp taking a bet on whats going to happen in a general election remotely in the future. Thats not impacting their ability to run the country. Can i just say on philip davis, too, because ive known philip davis a long time. He is working every hour. God said he wants to win and hes got a really good team up there working. He wants to win. And of course, he wants to win also. Its a private thing. Its a private thing. Its a private thing. I think its a i mean, ito i think its a i mean, i to be honest with you, i think its more problematic if youre betting on yourself or against yourself. I think broadly to say that mps and politicians cannot place bets on politics is crazy. Youre a puritan. I think thats a i think thats a total puritan. Puritan . Im not saying they puritan . Im not saying they cannot. Im not saying ban it. Im just saying as as a dodi like you were, youre going to lose my vote as a voter. Youre going to lose my vote because i just want you to i for the whole country wants to see politicians take this a bit more seriously. Take this a bit more seriously. They want to see that the decisions theyre making are impacting on peoples real lives and impoverishing people. So when politicians are going, oh, i just have a flutter on this, ill just have a flutter on that. Lets see who wins the game then. But you see, your your the rest of the public isnt asking people to trust them with their votes. Youre not asking people to trust you to use trillion distribute trillions of pounds in public money. So its not its absolutely not the same that we should not have people who are playing games at the top look so, you know, this is the thing i always found when i was an mp, people forget that mps are actually people. Okay. Yeah, theyre embedded in the in the community. They do the things that normal people do. And so if an mp is taking a view on what might happen in a political context and placing a bet on that, thats not impinging their ability to run the country. The other thing i was i was discussing this with geoff hoon earlier. We were off air, but i dont think he would mind me revealing this. And he was saying that actually it can be very difficult for mps when they lose their seat to get a job. Absolutely. And so for someone like philip davis, if he is going to lose his seat and hes put £8,000 on and he gets some decent odds that might win him earnings, that would sustain him for six months while he finds a job. You know, he could have put the blooming bet on a year ago. Yeah. Does that not make make you sympathetic, sam. No not really i think , you no not really i think, you know, i think i get it, you know, i think i get it, you know, if youre good enough , know, if youre good enough, youll get a job. So to be honest, i agree with that. I totally agree with that. But but i also think £8,000 is a lot of money. I mean, generally most of the bets that that i would have, i made 1 or 2, i think on politics, im not even sure we know if that 8000 figure is right. Actually, its just been its a lot of money. I mean, generally people might put a fiver or a 10 or £20 in the way that normal people do. Lets talk more macro about the state of the tory party. Polls are terrible, even though even though he did pretty well last night, i thought he did brilliantly. Yeah yeah, its your fault, isnt it . Because of the trust they always go on about that. But if i, if i look back at what the campaign to the trust. Yeah. True. And that was and i take some responsibility but i dont take responsibility for the rise of reform which when i checked actually when i left office, there were 5. Theyre now on about 17 15. So theyve trebled at least i didnt take responsibility for the campaign , responsibility for the campaign, which has been woeful, which has been poor as people say. I dont take a responsibility for a lot of the decisions hes made. I mean, even philip hammond, who i used to work with as a friend. Yeah. The former chancellor and he was he backed sunak and he said, why are we having an election now . Yeah, yeah. So the timing of the election, he cant blame other people on the timing. You know, he chose the timing and the issues on which to fight this election. Why do you think he went with the summer . Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So i think this is one of the questions that will be debated for decades. Whats your theory . Whats your theory . I think there were there can only be two, i think rational reasons. One is that he thought the Economic Data wasnt going to get better, because otherwise if you thought it was going to get better, why wouldnt you bet that in . Why wouldnt you wait for an Interest Rate cut, which he didnt do . Yeah. And the second reason, i think is a more personal reason, i think i personally think he just had enough. And, you know, the party was warring. He thought it was not going to get much better. Lets lets bring it on, but people will debate that further confirming sam kwasi suspicion that politicians are motivated for the wrong reasons. If hes just had enough, is that a good enough reason to call an election in the summer . Yeah, well, its certainly not a good enough reason to run for election in the first place. Like, i dont know, look, i want to be the Prime Minister, and after two years, im going to get a bit bored. So im gonna im gonna quit. So its a mixture of things i mean, how are these people asking us to vote for them . Yeah but theres a lot of pomposity. I mean, look, as i say, there are people hes got to make calculating, calculated judgements. And hes probably thinking things wont get much better. You know, the party is in a is in a difficult place. One of the reasons they gave was that somehow reform would be wrong footed. I mean, thats been a disaster because if theyd waited to November Farage would be in america with trump. Thats thats possibly true. So but but there are always different factors. And hes made the decision. Right. Were going to were going to surprise people and were going to go for the election. The problem was, was that i think the conservative party was more surprised than others. And so thats serious. Yeah. I mean, we had even in my seat, we didnt even have a candidate on when he declared the election. Sunak has said that if he does retain his seat but steps down as leader, he would stay in that position for the term. Do you believe him . You believe him . I do, but then i think, i mean, i know politics, so what else is he going to say . I mean, if he if he says, you mean hes lying . No, no. But if youre asked , will you stay the course . Asked, will you stay the course . Hes not going to say no, im going to jump on the next flight. Im out. So hes lying. Im not saying hes lying because im not saying hes doing that, but im just saying thats the only possible answer he can give in the campaign. Yeah. Sam. Yeah. Sam. Well, i was very suspicious of that, and i hope im proved wrong, you know, because i, i want rishi sunak to turn out to be a really good guy. Correct me too. I really want that, but im sceptical. I mean, hes not got a good track record of telling the truth according to full fact. And if he. I can certainly see hed have a really strong motivation to, you know, to get on the first flight to california. What is he meant to say . If hes asked, i think hell i think hell do the full term. Well, let me tell you if thats true. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But if thats true, then is it absolute failure to communicate that side of his character . Because there are many people, the authentic wannabe politician because because the image that so many people have is that hes a technocrat waiting to say that. So i know rishi, i didnt agree with him on everything. The things i disagreed with him, i didnt back him, but i think hes a pretty straightforward quy hes a pretty straightforward guy. I think hes honest. I think hes highly intelligent, but hes hes like everyone else. Hes making calculations. He has to hes built his entire Campaign Around misleading the public. No, no, no , hes built his no, no, no, hes built his entire campaign against this. Around this 200 £0 claim, which a it was the Civil Service explicitly said, dont say this is from Civil Servants. And b, whether you agree its going to be labour is going to increase by 2000 or whatever, the fact every economist is saying there is a massive financial black hole that both sides are going to have to, to deal with. And he is refusing to deal with that for the public. So i think i think your latter point is broadly right. And in a way, i was sort of trying to do this myself. The only way youre going to pay for things is by growing the economy. Yeah. Yeah. So if they fail either side, whoevers in, if they fail to do that, theyre going to have to raise the money from, from somewhere. And thats what economists are saying. And and theyre predicating their growth plans on reforming the planning system. Good luck with that. Good luck with that. Lets see. Right, sam fails Kwasi Kwarteng, thank you so much for joining Kwasi Kwarteng, thank you so much forjoining us this morning. Up next, find out how the deputy labour leader angela raynen deputy labour leader angela rayner, plans to reduce the amount of migrants housed in hotels. This is britains newsroom on gb news right. Good morning. 1123. This is britains newsroom. Live across the United Kingdom with bev turner and Andrew Pierce in the studio. The panel is back. Stephen poundin the panel is back. Stephen pound in his old sparring partner, emma webb. Weve missed you, emma. I missed sparring partner. Yeah, yeah, well , yeah, thats yeah, yeah, well, yeah, thats all right. I kneel at her feet. I kneel at her feet. I kneel at her feet. Yeah. Yeah. Should we talk about this latest polling . Who is going to be happy when . In a weeks time we stop talking about polling . Emma, what is the latest showing . Its been too many polls. Its been too many polls. Well, i mean, this would be devastating for the conservatives because the latest polling is showing that the lib dems could become the new opposition. Imagine that a Labour Government with lib dem opposition, exactly what the country wants. Yeah, so yeah, country wants. Yeah, so yeah, i mean its weve seen many polls that have been predicted in the mirror i think, isnt it. Yeah. So i mean , plenty of polls have so i mean, plenty of polls have been predicting apocalyptic results and its probably not exactly accurate because who really knows. Reform predicted to win 18 seats, which is the most anyones predicted. But there was another poll that predicted that they wouldnt win any. Oh, really . But that poll didnt take into account the, fame factor of, you know, nigel farage or richard tice being more known amongst the public, i mean, it seems if youre if youre trying to square all of these polls together, it seems very likely reform are going to get a couple of seats, but this is really, really terrible. Is really, really terrible. What a nightmare. Can you imagine ed davey as , you know, imagine ed davey as, you know, leader of the opposition, probably wearing a clown costume , coming up and going, beep, beep, beep. You know, its just absolutely terrifying. But and he would be facing off against keir starmer at Prime Ministers questions every week also. I mean just look at davies performance in that question. Question time debate discussion. Did you think he was poor . I think he was profoundly mediocre. And he looked like he wasnt fit to be there. And i know that thats also the case for all of the other leaders, you know. But he particularly i think he just came across as a complete sort of like wet. But the place to be on Election Night is going to be essex, isnt it . But let me just say, what has helped liberal democrats enormously is daisy cooper. Yeah, the daisy cooper , the yeah, the daisy cooper, the deputy leader. Shes been superb on those debates and if youre looking as a woman, you might be thinking, well, these men have made a mess of it. Im going to vote for a woman. Shes very convincing. Well, let me tell you a little bit of the background with daisy cooper. I mean, she i mean, id be very careful about mentioning the seats, but the seats dont know the seat. That she won last time was a very strong conservative seat, and she worked that. And she actually defenestrated a very strong conservative mp to win that seat and make it very, very solid. She is a very, very tough campaigner and shes she only came in in 2019 and shes absolutely rocketed up and risen through the ranks. I mean, she is an interesting one. And when ed davey was in big political trouble over the post office because he didnt call for layla moran, which is what he used to do. Yeah, but but some tory mps said to me, dont kick him too hard because they feared that daisy might be ousted and would be replaced by daisy cooper, who they feared much more. Are you saying i mean ed davey and i both shared a vice when we were both elected. We both got elected. Its a respectable vice. Its a respectable vice. We were desperately heavy smokers. Right very. And we basically used to sort of meet in effect behind the bike sheds at the end of the terrace, behind the speakers and surreptitiously puffing away on our silk cut. And, you know, theres something about that, that sort of sin that binds a chap. Who are the people voting for, who think they will vote for, who think they will vote for reform. Emma, people of my age , who emma, people of my age, who is that person . This is because i was thinking about this, because they are traditionally a more of, of a sort of maybe an older vintage, maybe conservative vintage. I would say more likely people in working class areas that voted for the conservatives in 2019. Yeah, behind the red wall. So for example, my home constituency is hornchurch and upminster. The polling is looking as if it is extremely split between julia, julia , split between julia, julia, sorry, ive mentioned, did you hear stephen groan . Hear stephen groan . We can do we can do with it. We can do we can do with it. The polling is very its very difficult to talk about it without mentioning the polling is very split. And the reason why im using this as an example is because its a very, very safe conservative seat. But its also one of the highest brexit voting seats in the country. And also within london. And so reform being the heirs of the brexit party, will have a good reputation there. And it may be the case that people in areas like that end up with a labour mp, just simply because the vote has been so split between a very, very safe conservative candidate. And, and the reform vote. So i think my point is that the people who will be voting for reform will likely be people who couldnt in a million years vote for the labour party, who are definitely not going to vote for the lib dems, but feel that it would be unconscionable to vote for the conservatives after they had been betrayed from that 29 vote, because a 2019 vote, because many of those people lent their vote to the conservatives for the first time. So its not just people, i think of an older generation or people like me who identify as a boomer. Its people in those areas, those heartlands , common areas, those heartlands, common sense, working people to use a horrible turn of phrase. Everyones really emma. The reality is that most of the reform voters ive spoken to have an absolute loathing and a contempt for the whole political machine at the present time. It is a howling of fury and anger at the way in which they feel let down by venal , corrupt let down by venal, corrupt politicians. There will also be. Its not necessarily its not left or right. Its nowhere on that political spectrum. It is absolute fury at the way that politicians have let the country down, and they feel that theyve let them down. And i dont. Stephen, i dont think this campaign will have done much to change that view because i wish it. I wish i could disagree with you, andrew, are being completely dishonest about the financial challenges this country faces, but you know why . Yeah, well just look at the labour party , getting itself in labour party, getting itself in knots over how much net zero is going to cost. And now theyre saying it will come from private investment. Well, they didnt tell us that before. Good luck with that. Once you and emma. Why should we have to find out that actually, labour thinks its going to cost hundreds of billions in a leaked tape recording of a member of the shadow cabinet. They should be telling us this upfront. This is something that if its going to form part of their significant policy at taxpayers expense, its something that needs to be at the forefront of the campaign, regardless of whether or not you think its going to play well with the public, because its just cynical, as you even saw keir starmer, almost admitting to, when he was making those comments about supporting Jeremy Corbyns manifesto, practically admitting to the fact that he will say anything in order to get elected. So i actually i think that theres whats interesting about this general Election Campaign is that its almost become more president ial. Were focusing a lot more on the leadership rather than the parties. And if we vote for keir starmer, we vote for the labour party. Were not getting keir starmer. We might be getting wes streeting, we could be getting angela rayner. We dont know. Angela rayner. We dont know. And the conservative party is a perfect example of how many people come on. That applies to every single political party, i have to say, of course, but im saying is it means that you should focus on the policies rather than getting caught up with. No, i agree, and i think wes streeting is a very good example. I think hes one of the most original political thinkers weve had since, since anthony crosland. I think hes a really, really interesting. Hes thinking the unthinkable, particularly in the in the case of the National Health service. Andrews point earlier on about, you know, probity and politics and talking about the realities of the financial position. Listen to wes streeting talking about the nhs, and then youll actually see theres some original thinking going on. He will not be able to do half of what he says hed like to do. If he does half of it, ill be relieved the unions wont let him. Labour mps wont let him. But going back to this ticking time bomb about the cost of net zero, is that why we havent seen ed miliband in this campaign at all . Well, ed miliband has got the Climate Change wegovy hasnt. I mean, the tape recording that youre talking about was a suggestion for a first draft of the manifesto 18 months ago. Its only just come out now. Do you think the cost of decarbonisation has dropped since then . Well i sadly i suspect its gonein well i sadly i suspect its gone in the other direction. Be perfectly honest. Yeah, yeah. But i mean, if you had, if caladenia from, you know the green from the green person was here, she would actually be saying look we cant afford not to do it because the economic consequences are so horrendous. We cant afford to have a proper heat pump in house. And shes still got a conventional gas boiler, but shes shes thinking seriously about it. Shes a fraud. And let me just say, there is some way in which you can actually have your cake and eat it, because you can convert from typical socialist. Well, we just want a bigger cake. There it is, someone elses cake. One. Yeah. One. Yeah. No, no. Hang one. Hang on a second. If you want to move away from a cake and eat it, were going to click that fossil fuel dependency into net zero political epitaph. You can have your cake and eat it if you like. Weve been beaten by the clock, but you can you can work in. Thank you. Stephen. Thank you. Stephen. Your jobs. Youve been found out. Dont go anywhere. Heres Tatiana Santos with the. News. Tatiana santos with the. News. Thank you. The top stories this hour. Rishi sunak and sir keir starmer returned to the campaign trail today after they clashed over illegal immigration and the betting row in a tv debate last night, with just a week before voters go to the polls, the labour leader accused the Prime Minister of being bullied into taking action in the betting scandal, while mr sunak repeatedly warned voters not to surrender to labours tax and migration plans. The pair also answered questions from a studio audience with one asking how theyre each planning to control illegal immigration. Rwanda plan is a deterrent. You just have to listen to what the Illegal Migrants themselves are saying, one of them just said. Most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. Another one said i wont cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. If labour win , the people smugglers labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. Dont surrender our borders to the labour party. Record numbers coming across the channel and he says its a deterrent. There are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda at huge expense to the taxpayer. There are tens of thousands, 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been Prime Minister police are to take the lead in investigations into some of the allegations about bets placed by politicians on the general election. Sir Philip Davies has become the latest tory candidate to be accused of gambling on the election. He reportedly bet £8,000 against himself holding his seat, according to the sun, but there is no suggestion hes done anything illegal. At least five conservatives are being investigated by the Gambling Commission as part of its inquiry into bets on the timing of the july 4th poll. Labour has also been dragged into the row, suspending one candidate after he was investigated by the regulator for betting on himself to lose his seat. Junior doctors to lose his seat. Junior doctors in england are walking off the job for an 11th time in almost a yeah job for an 11th time in almost a year. Medics are warning that more strike action could take place in the summer if the next government doesnt move negotiations forwards in a timely manner. Junior doctors are walking out for five days, this time in their long running dispute over pay. They want a 35 pay rise. The British Medical Association says its ready to talk, and the union has already had some discussions with the labour party. It says. With the labour party. It says. And the mother of a british teenager who went missing in tenerife says some of the money raised by a crowdfunding appeal will be withdrawn to help with the search for her son. The appeal has so far raised more than £36,000. Jays mother, Debbie Duncan , has thanked the Debbie Duncan, has thanked the pubuc Debbie Duncan, has thanked the public for their support, kind messages and good wishes. Jay has now been missing for 11 days. Yesterday, Spanish Police searched a mountainous area by helicopter , with sniffer dogs helicopter, with sniffer dogs also being used on the ground. Also being used on the ground. Hed gone on holiday for the first time without his parents. For the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com alerts. Cheers britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report. Financial report. ,1. 1827. The price of gold is £1,830. 09 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 8210 points. Cheers, britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report. Financial report. Now we have to give you the full list of those candidates who have declared in hornchurch and upminster, thanks to emma webb. So here we go, labour party, sunny brah, conservative party, sunny brah, conservative party julia lopez, the reform party, nicholas palmer, the green party, Melanie Collins , green party, Melanie Collins, independent candidate is david warren duran and Ian Sanderson for the liberal democrats. Now im the only one not giggling. Everybody else here is getting a little bit amused by that i dont know i dont know what you mean. Tom harwood. No, i dont know what on earth could have incited any sort of feeling from you. Mr Andrew Pierce is the worst thing when you get the giggles on her, they just wont go away. We set each other off sometimes all of those candidates are very, very sensible. Now, weve got a show coming up at midday. We do, and its going to be stuffed full of live events. Were going to be hearing, not only from nigel farage, whos going to be speaking, around midday in another. Yeah. And this is i think, his first pit stop in the nonh think, his first pit stop in the north east in this campaign trail, so itll be interesting what he has to say, but plenty more besides labour heartland territory. Yes, very much so. Territory. Yes, very much so. Very interesting to see if he has a massive crowd as hes become accustomed to , rishi become accustomed to, rishi sunak as well. Hes having a bit of a q a with members of the public. Of a q a with members of the pubuc. So of a q a with members of the public. So well see how that goes down. I imagine hell have a slight, slight spring in his step. Maybe after the debate last night. He did do well. He pointed out some, vagaries, lets say, in his policy line about negotiating with the mullahs. I know that was good. That was good. That was good, what else . Were also going to be speaking to lord joe johnson. Yes , doris, brother of boris yes, doris, brother of boris johnson. So perhaps well ask. We wont focus entirely on his, his his brother, but we will ask where on earth is he . Where is he . Where is he . Where is he . Where on earth is he . A second holiday, a second holiday this summer . I mean, is he trying to deliberately steer as far away from a sinking ship as possible . Yes, only to swoop in perhaps mid of the next parliament . Or is Something Else going well . Well be asking those questions. And also theres a bit of, royal magic sprinkled throughout the show, some live event that will be going to. Very good. Very good. Hows prince hassan doing . Shes still in hospital. Still in hospital . Yeah. And it did. It did seem that initially the words from the kings communique were we wish for a speedy recovery, and then we hear from her husband just yesterday that, shes making steady progress, but its a slow recovery. The trouble with a head injury is you dont know in the immediate aftermath how bad it hits. Because if theres a brain bleed, then it could be actually days and days, and they have to monitor that situation very carefully. So and theres talk now about massively cancelling her diary because shes the hardest working royal by a country mile. Its such a shame. But we may its such a shame. But we may well get some updates during our time. And of course the us election first debate this evening. Be very interesting to see how those two fare beau biden remember hes on parade. On well, its going to be oh well, its going to be a question very, very exposing for him potentially isnt it . I found it extraordinary that serious commentators in the us are saying perhaps, perhaps biden gets swapped out when the Convention Comes along. I mean, is that a serious possibility . It sure it is, right . It sure it is, right . All that and more with emily and tom from midday. Up next, have you heard of a dink . Well, theyre being asked to train guide dogs. Well explain all of that in just a moment. This is britains newsroom on gb 1142 britains newsroom with gb news andrew pearson. Bev turner. Well, the nhs has warned patients to expect major disruption as a heat wave coincides with Junior Doctor strikes that have started this morning. I talk now to nhs Junior Doctor, whos been with us on many times on this program. Bhasha mukherjee morning to you doctor. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Even wes streeting, whos going to be secretary of for state health in a weeks time, barring a miracle, has completely disowned this strike action. At least wes streeting has suggested that there could be a possibility of reaching that 35 increase over some period of time. I just feel with the current government, the relationship is completely broken down. Its really sad for any upcoming doctors and medical students. It sends a really bad message that this government, our employers, doesnt value their employees. And no matter their employees. And no matter how much weve been speaking about this and striking, theyre just not willing to, come forward and take action. What is the point of this five day strike before a general election , when you absolutely election, when you absolutely know theres not a theres not even a slight possibility a tory government is going to say, okay, then well give you your 35 or 34 or 33. It is pure political malice. And the people who will suffer most are not your doctors, not your doctors. Its patients who are going to have their operations and procedures cancelled , and some procedures cancelled, and some people may die as a result of your action. Are you proud of that . I would just like to clarify that im personally not striking. No, your colleagues are. No, your colleagues are. And youre here to defend the strike . Yes, absolutely. And i and i do defend the strikes because we have to think about the nhs as not just the out of, you know, the outpatient service, but also the acute services. And for as long as services. And for as long as ive worked in the nhs, there has been not a single day where weve actually met clinical Staffing Levels as they should be. And these are a non strike days. And this is on war in the nhs in the a e, in medical, all the departments essentially. So were not just talking about outpatient services. If we continue down this line we might not have an nhs. And thats what really saddens me about this whole matter. There is a really important reason why weve chosen this particular days. Yes, it is a political message because the whole issue has been turned political recently, and actually the government was given full warning several weeks ago that these strikes were going to happen, but they didnt take any action. So i would say theyre to blame for this whole thing. Thing. So are you effectively trying then to encourage people to vote for other parties other than the conservatives explicitly saying change the political landscape, even though labour have said we cannot meet your demands . Cannot meet your demands . I dont think its about particularly any particular company or any particular party. Its about sending a message out to the politicians as well as to the public that this is the state of the nhs, and this is how the current government has been dealing with it, even running up to a week before the elections. Theyre not willing to come and resolve this issue. And the nhs has been a big part of the recent campaigns for both parties , really. And regardless parties, really. And regardless of who comes in power , this this of who comes in power, this this needed to be highlighted close to the elections to show the clear the dire situation itself. Its more a message to the public, not necessarily to support any particular party, but really to showcase the state of the nhs. The state of the workers, the state. People are well aware , people are well aware, unfortunately. Bashir i think people do not need a strike to know how bad the nhs is and people who are in pain and waiting for operations know that more than anybody, and now theyre going to be waiting longer. But thank you. We appreciate your input this morning, Junior Doctor Bhasha Mukherjee there. I think the strike is wicked right. Up next, would you volunteer to train a guide dog . Well well see betty in a few minutes and you can decide whether that would appeal to you. This is britains newsroom on my mums name. Betty. Betty. Betty. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Weather on gb news. Morning. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news unseasonably wet and windy weather hitting parts of scotland and Northern Ireland this morning. Further south, things are turning cooler, still pretty warm across east anglia and the south east but far from warm in the north west. Gusty, blustery conditions for Northern Ireland and western scotland. Quite a bit of rain coming in here as well. A grey start over the midlands and southern england, but it will brighten up here as we go through the day. A few showers possible for wales and developing across Northern England. Also temperature wise , england. Also temperature wise, well still up into the mid 20s across east anglia and the south east before things turn fresher elsewhere. Temperatures are down compared to yesterdays and certainly it feels a lot cooler with this very wet and windy weather across scotland and Northern Ireland. Not a day to be in the highlands of scotland. Quite blustery conditions, but largely dry across the far north east of scotland. Showers north east of scotland. Showers coming into southern scotland. Wet and windy also for Northern Ireland. Again not great conditions here. Gusty winds and rain on and off throughout the afternoon. A few showers will get into north west england, the odd one for wales but much of the south of england, the midlands and east anglia will be dry once that cloud from that weather front, which is introducing the cooler air, clears away. It stays pretty blustery and wet through the evening and overnight across Northern Ireland and western scotland. A bit of a breeze blowing further south and a much more comfortable night as well. Much less humid tonight compared to the night just gone as temperatures dip down to 12 to 13 c. So a fresh feel for friday and generally a fine day across the south. Still pretty gusty across scotland. Still plenty more showers to come across the north and the west. A few showers for Northern Ireland, but generally a drier day here and the winds will be easing tomorrow to breezy across Northern England with a few showers zipping through. But the bulk of england and wales looking dry. Therell be some sunny spells instead of the heat. Temperatures much closer to average for the time of year. Bye for now. Bye for now. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. News welcome back. So guide dogs need you. So the charity are actually calling on dinks now . Dinks . That is not an offensive word. It stands for dual income. No kids to raise future guide dogs as almost half of people admit to delaying parenthood in favour of owning a puppy so weve got in the studio with us, guide dog foster, eugene lynch and guide talking training betty and betty is a labrador. She is asleep. Thats the impact. Thats your bev turner on so many people. Eugene. Eugene. Now youve been fostering. This is youre on your 13th dog. Yes. So how long do you train them for . They arrive to us after theyve been with their puppy raiser for usually about a year. So we get them about a year old and we have them for between three and six months for the last period of the training. So they have professional trainers at guide dogs. We take them to and from the Office Every Day and from the Office Every Day and we keep them all weekend. Take them for free runs in the park and that sort of thing. So betty, here is a year and eight months old and shes doing really well in her training. As you can see, shes very focused at the moment, very placid. Yes. At the moment, very placid. Yes. And they thats when they learn all the kind of special skills of a guide dog. So, you know, finding the kerb, how to cross the road, how to go up and down stairs, finding the button box when youre crossing the road and that sort of thing as well. And why these these dinks, eugene . This dual income, no kids. Why would they be the kids. Why would they be the right kind of people to foster these dogs . Well, i think for my partner and i, when we first started thinking about volunteering with guide dogs, we always wanted to have a dog. And we thought, because were both working, the dog might be home for long hours, wed have to either get a dog walker or some kind of day care. We didnt think it would be fair on a dog for us to have a dog. And then we saw this opportunity and we thought, well, this is the perfect solution because the dog is busy all day and lots of people paying all day and lots of people paying attention to her in the office. And, you know, were working full time. We have her at basically in the evenings and at basically in the evenings and at the weekends. So its a really good way of both volunteering with the charity that does so much for people and also then looking after a dog at home. But id have a problem with this, eugene, because ive got a soft spot for dogs. You must become incredibly attached to him, because how long are they with you for . Theyre with us usually for between 3 and 6 months. Well, thats a long time. Well, thats a long time. Well, thats a long time. We did have one dog during covid, and because of all the lockdowns, we had her for 15 months. So then you have to give her up. Yes. So weve done that now 13 times where weve had to. How do you cope with that . Because that would might deter people watching thinking im going to get really close to this. I think you have to you have to go into it with your eyes open. So as much as the first time you do it, you think, well, im not going to get too attached and its going to be okay, your heart does break every time im going to be honest, it is a little bit heartbreaking every time, but its bittersweet because you know that that dog is going on to change somebodys life and theyre going to have a fantastic life. Theyre, very, motivated and happy to do their job. And so youre kind of helping to prepare them for that. Are you allowed to keep in touch with whats happened to the dog and get sent regular photos . We sometimes get updates. It will depend on who the new owner is and that sort of thing. But sometimes they will let the trainers know how the dog is doing or send a photo or Something Like that, and we get to know from that as well. And how important is it that the charity gets more people like you to adopt to foster these dogs . Because is there shortage . Yes, partly because of covid. You know, there was a real slowdown in the number of new dogs that were coming through the program. So theres a big waiting list now of people who need a guide dog. There are a lot of guide dogs retiring as well because, you know, guide dogs can only work for a certain amount of time. So there are lots of people on the waiting list. Theyve been waiting for years for a new dog, so theyre trying to get as many dogs through the program as possible. And to do that, they need more puppy and to do that, they need more puppy raisers and they need more fosterers like my partner and me. And to most of the dogs youve had, have they gone on to be successful guide dog . Yes. I mean, they dont. You know, a percentage of them make the cut. Basically, not all guide dogs are or not all dogs are destined to be really great guide dogs. So the first dog that we had had already been withdrawn from the program when we got him. So we only had him for a few weeks and they knew he was going to be rehomed as a pet. And that happens sometimes, but plenty of them do make it. And the ones that do, they just do such an amazing job. Theyre incredibly well trained. Theyre really happy to do that job as well, and to be a volunteer who has a small part in making that happen. Shes shes very shes so happy that shes literally so relaxed. Shes fallen asleep relaxed. Shes fallen asleep here. Shes very relaxed. Do you let them in the bedroom . There are a lot of rules about that sort of thing. So at home you cant allow them on the couch, you cant allow them on the bed and that sort of thing. Its up to the guide dog owner who eventually gets the dog, whether they decide to allow them. But if you start doing that when theyre young, they wont stop doing that. So we have to be very careful about tight on time. How do we people want to do this . How do they get into what do they do . They get who they get in touch with. The easiest way to do it is go on the guide dogs website or search guide dogs fosterer and it will come straight up. You can get in touch with guide dogs. They will have a conversation. A lot of People Like Us next. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 12 00 on thursday, the 27th of june. Im tom harwood, and im emily carver. Today marks exactly one week until election day, and well be live across the country as the race for second place heats up. Yes. Nigel second place heats up. Yes. Nigel farage will be speaking live in County Durham as he takes the Reform Campaign trail up to the north east. One poll yesterday predicted his Insurgent Party picked up, picking up an astonishing 18 seats. But can he live up to the hype . And not to be outdone, a tiggerish rishi sunak will be speaking to fresh from the last nights bbc debate where those who voted conservative in 2019 decided the Prime Minister smashed it out of the park with 82. 82 of that constituency thinking he came out on top and away from the politics, well be catching up with the royal family as prince harry opens up about the difficulties coping with bereavement. With bereavement. Just six more days of campaigning, a week. Today people will be voting. Perhaps most people will have voted an Election Campaign that felt like it was dragging on and on, and on suddenly feels like the ending is really rather close. Indeed. And i think you can tell actually , i dont know about
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