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Full gb news weather forecast. Top of the morning. Im c5 \. F top of the morning. Im martin daubnev top of the morning. Im Martin Daubney im top of the morning. Im Martin Daubney. Im ellie top of the morning. Im Martin Daubney. A it; f top of the morning. Im Martin Daubney. it; f a� i daubney. Im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on gb news. To our top story now and Phillip Schofield has admitted he is broken and ashamed of his professional conduct. When speaking with the Sun Newspaper yesterday. But he says he is not yesterday. But he says he is not a groomer. Yeah, the former this morning a groomer. Yeah, the former this morning presenter 3 yeah, the former this morning presenter gave gave an interview morning presenter gave gave an irrierriew io morning presenter gave gave an irrierriew io ire morning presenter gave gave an interview to the bbc last night as weii interview to the bbc last night as weii arri interview to the bbc last night as well and he interview to the bbc last night as well and he had this to say. Wrai as well and he had this to say. What was as well and he had this to say. What was unwise as well and he had this to say. What was unwise was as well and he had this to say. What was unwise was the as well and he had this to say. What was unwise was the fact that it happened. And that was that it happened. And that was a very, very grave error. Now, it was consensual, but it was my fault. It and there was consensual, but it was my fault. It and there is going to be the full interview out this morning, which we will be able to bring a little bit to you on gb news. But were joined now by gb news. But were joined now by as news gb news. But were joined now by as news reporier gb news. But were joined now by gb News Reporter ray c15 \ but were joined now by gb News Reporter ray addison. Eeri gb News Reporter ray addison. Good morning gb News Reporter ray addison. Good morning to gb News Reporter ray addison. Good morning to you, ray. So goi good morning to you, ray. So goi ire good morning to you, ray. So weve got the sun good morning to you, ray. So weve got the sun exclusive interview. Weve got the sun exclusive irierriew. Irri weve got the sun exclusive interview. Im broken and ashamed, interview. Im broken and ashamed, but interview. Im broken and ashamed, but not a groomer. Irere ashamed, but not a groomer. Irere goi ashamed, but not a groomer. Weve got Television Interview coming weve got Television Interview coming a weve got Television Interview coming a little weve got Television Interview coming a little bit later. Iiiiiip coming a little bit later. Phillip schofield does not want to Phillip Schofield does not want io go Phillip Schofield does not want io go quietlyr Phillip Schofield does not want to go quietly, does he. 7 yeah Phillip Schofield does not want to go quietly, does he . Yeah iris to go quietly, does he . Yeah iris is to go quietly, does he . Yeah iris is ire to go quietly, does he . Yeah this is the start to go quietly, does he . Yeah this is the start of to go quietly, does he . Yeah this is the start of his to go quietly, does he . Yeah this is the start of his attempt to reclaim the narrative , to reclaim the narrative, although how successful this is going to be very much remains to be seen. The interview with the be seen. The interview with the sun. Stressing he hasnt sun. The sun stressing he hasnt been paid for that interview at this stage. And of course, its his first opportunity really to get his thoughts out there and, you know, ive worked in the newspaper industry for a long time. Ive been an editor for a irrig time. Ive been an editor for a iorig rime. Time. Ive been an editor for a iorrg rime. Ari time. Ive been an editor for a long time. And ive c ive been an editor for a long time. And ive got to say, iris long time. And ive got to say, iris piece long time. And ive got to say, iiie piece is long time. And ive got to say, iiie piece is e long time. And ive got to say, this piece is a very long time. And ive got to say, this piece is a very flattering eriieie this piece is a very flattering eriieie fer this piece is a very flattering article for mr this piece is a very flattering article for mr schofield. He mire article for mr schofield. He talks about article for mr schofield. He talks about how article for mr schofield. He talks about how if it wasnt for my grie talks about how if it wasnt for my girie, i talks about how if it wasnt for my girls, i wouldnt be here iriimeiirig my girls, i wouldnt be here intimating about suicide. Im not intimating about suicide. Im rei eieepirg intimating about suicide. Im rei eieepirg , intimating about suicide. Im not sleeping , im not eating. Not sleeping, im not eating. Ire not sleeping, im not eating. Ire beer not sleeping, im not eating. Ive been drinking a lot of seuiiierr ive been drinking a lot of Southern Comfort, a lot of raping, Southern Comfort, a lot of raping, eeireri Southern Comfort, a lot of vaping, ashen faced. Do you rhini vaping, ashen faced. Do you think ire vaping, ashen faced. Do you think the public vaping, ashen faced. Do you think the public will will go for think the public will will go ier iris think the public will will go for iiie er think the public will will go for this or does think the public will will go for this or does it feel like iree for this or does it feel like iree iuei for this or does it feel like iree iuei iryirg for this or does it feel like hes just trying to steal the nerreiire hes just trying to steal the narrative of. Hes just trying to steal the narrative of. No, hes just trying to steal the narrative of. No i i i c narrative of. No, i dont think the public will arguably go for it. I think its it feels a little bit like hes looking for sympathy. And i think thats very difficult to give to somebody whos had such a long and successful career in the media industry, of course, adds to that. His his age, hes 61 years old. You know, hes been doing one of the top jobs in television for the last 20 years. And then add to that the fact that this relationship was with a young a young man , you with a young a young man, you know, in a very junior position. And i think its going to be difficult to try and make yourself be the victim in yourself out to be the victim in that circumstance. How damaged do that circumstance. How damaged ireinni that circumstance. How damaged ieininr inn that circumstance. How damaged dothink this is that circumstance. How damaged dothink this is to that circumstance. How damaged dothink this is to the it. its f how damaged do think this is to the this do you think this is to the this morning do you think this is to the this morningbecause do you think this is to the this morning because it is morning brand . Because it is inni morning brand . Because it is that wholesome morning brand . Because it is that wholesome family show, inni that wholesome family show, ieni iii that wholesome family show, ieni iii ite that wholesome family show, isnt it . Its meant to be warm eni isnt it . Its meant to be warm and inclusive isnt it . Its meant to be warm and inclusive and isnt it . Its meant to be warm and inclusive and a very kind tini and inclusive and a very kind rini ei and inclusive and a very kind kind of atmosphere here. And it ee iiv kind of atmosphere here. And it comes as itv execs kind of atmosphere here. And it comes as itv execs are set to ince comes as itv execs are set to face questioning comes as itv execs are set to face questioning from mps as neit face questioning from mps as neii. Se face questioning from mps as neii. So inn face questioning from mps as well. So this could be a very enniienging well. So this could be a very challenging time well. So this could be a very challenging time now for itv. Renn challenging time now for itv. Vent. I challenging time now for itv. Vent. I mean. Challenging time now for itv. Yeah, i mean, its challenging time now for itv. Yeah, i mean, its you challenging time now for itv. Yeah, i mean, its you know, its not the first time that itv or rather this morning has has faced sort of scandal on the programme. Of course, you know, if you look back a couple of decades, you know, we remember some of the revelations that came out then and its going to be very, very difficult now. I mean, no show can go on forever. And if a brand becomes toxic and that that word again, toxic, weve heard that toxic atmosphere allegedly on the set of this morning. I think it could be very, very difficult. And, of course, when bosses appearin and, of course, when bosses appear in front of mps , it appear in front of mps, it depends very much on what comes out. I think thats very interesting as well that the timing of this announced that theyve launched a barristers enquiry and im wondering whether it gives itv execs an opportunity to sit in front of those mps and say , i cant those mps and say, i cant comment on an active investigation. That line that we hear so often from mps themselves is and whether theyre hoping that that might be a way of deflecting at this time. Iwant be a way of deflecting at this time. I want to go back to this sun time. I want to go back to this sun etern time. I want to go back to this sun story, i time. I want to go back to this sun storyr i you time. I want to go back to this sun story, if you can c i want to go back to this sun story, if you can see that inerre sun story, if you can see that tierre ee sun story, if you can see that theyre so aslef sun story, if you can see that theyre so aslef front page of ine theyre so aslef front page of ine sun. Theyre so aslef front page of ine sun. Se theyre so aslef front page of the sun. So schofield field is really the sun. So schofield field is really tini the sun. So schofield field is really kind of the sun. So schofield field is really kind of going to town and he really kind of going to town and ne reins really kind of going to town and he talks here, really kind of going to town and he talks here, interestingly, ennui he talks here, interestingly, about new he talks here, interestingly, about how schofields lawyers nnnreeen about how schofields lawyers nnnrenen ine about how schofields lawyers approach the sun. So this wasnt the approach the sun. So this wasnt ine enn approach the sun. So this wasnt the sun haranguing for an interview. The sun haranguing for an interview. This the sun haranguing for an interview. This is a voluntary submission interview. This is a voluntary eninieeien , interview. This is a voluntary submission , an interview. This is a voluntary submission , an if you like, to submission, an if you like, to nine submission, an if you like, to make sure that submission, an if you like, to make sure that the narrative is seized make sure that the narrative is eeizei eni make sure that the narrative is seized and theres make sure that the narrative is seized and theres some real interesting seized and theres some real interesting stuff seized and theres some real interesting stuff here. He talks ennui interesting stuff here. He talks about new interesting stuff here. He talks about how social interesting stuff here. He talks about how social media abuse towerin about how social media abuse townie nin about how social media abuse towards him has about how social media abuse towards him has been deeply nonenneiie towards him has been deeply nonenneiie. Towards him has been deeply homophobic. This is now a witch nnni. Homophobic. This is now a witch nnni. Ii homophobic. This is now a witch hunt. It continues homophobic. This is now a witch hunt. It continues and ccninneci hunt. It continues and continues. Do hunt. It continues and continues. Do they not know incre continues. Do they not know inere ic continues. Do they not know inere ic e continues. Do they not know there is a human continues. Do they not know there is a human being at the enci there is a human being at the end ci there is a human being at the end of inni there is a human being at the end of this . Do there is a human being at the end of this . Do they actually went end of this . Do they actually want me end of this . Do they actually want me ic end of this . Do they actually want me to die . End of this . Do they actually want me to die . Is that their enci want me to die . Is that their end game want me to die . Is that their end game i want me to die . Is that their end game esc want me to die . Is that their end game . So this is him really end game . So this is him really getting end game . So this is him really getting on end game . So this is him really geiiing cn ine end game . So this is him really getting on the front foot and trying getting on the front foot and trying ic getting on the front foot and trying to piece getting on the front foot and trying to place himself, if you ure trying to place himself, if you he, ec trying to place himself, if you he, cc ine trying to place himself, if you like, as the victim here . Yeah i mean, absolutely. Like, as the victim here . Yeah i mean, absolutely. it; like, as the victim here . Yeah i mean, absolutely. Im sure he is absolutely devastated. You know , anybody become the focus , anybody whos become the focus of this kind of story would be upset by it. However the reaction of the public remains to be seen from the perspective of those watching at home. Again, i reiterate, he is a very powerful man who has been up till now , hes had a very till now, hes had a very successful career. Hes been a part of peoples lives. However, he wasnt he wasnt ultimately how he presented himself to be. And of course, you know, to go on television every day and talk about issues of family and morality and to give your own views on that, and then to have this kind of story exposed. And its very interesting then to try and flip that around. Yeah. Meanwhile while we have a very defiant Holly Willoughby on the front page of the mirror this morning, just grab that morning, let me just grab that for you. Shes in portugal curreniiy for you. Shes in portugal currently with shes in portugal currently with her family. She currently with her family. She sicc currently with her family. She cnec gei currently with her family. She cnec not a currently with her family. She cnec get a very currently with her family. She shes got a very nice house incre shes got a very nice house inere. Sc shes got a very nice house there. So shes shes got a very nice house there. So shes been there inrcngncni there. So shes been there throughout the there. So shes been there throughout the half term break. She throughout the half term break. Sne ic throughout the half term break. She is, according throughout the half term break. She is, according to reports , she is, according to reports, itc she is, according to reports, in mean she is, according to reports, its meant to she is, according to reports, its meant to be she is, according to reports, its meant to be back on monday. Ven its meant to be back on monday. Ves anci its meant to be back on monday. Ves ann che its meant to be back on monday. Yes. And the timing its meant to be back on monday. Yes. And the timing of its meant to be back on monday. Yes. And the timing of that is questionable. I wonder whether questionable. I wonder whether shes getting the best advice there from her rep , there from her rep, presentatives. Obviously, shell be back on monday. Presumably shell make some kind of statement at that point. Statement at that point. However, we then have the that committee sitting with the mps and the itv executives, the following tuesday week. And so following tuesday week. And so its just i wonder if its just too early for her whether shell have to make one statement and then have to react to whatever comes out of that committee. Yeah and whats going to be interesting of course, interesting next, of course, ray, who speaks next. Also on ray, is who speaks next. Also on the front of the ray, is who speaks next. Also on the front of the daily ray, is who speaks next. Also on the front of the daily mail the front of the daily mail reint the front of the daily mail icier. I the front of the daily mail today. I dont the front of the daily mail today. I dont you the front of the daily mail. Today. I dontyou can today. I dont know if you can seeitc today. I dont know if you can see its intimating see that, but its intimating inci see that, but its intimating inei iniiiin see that, but its intimating that Phillip Schofields wife is eccentrici that Phillip Schofields wife is devastated about devastated and furious about inac devastated and furious about inei. They devastated and furious about that. They havent got an interview that. They havent got an interview with that. They havent got an interview with wife that. They havent got an interview with wife but interview with the wife yet, but i interview with the wife yet, but i suspect interview with the wife yet, but i suspectner interview with the wife yet, but i suspect may come. And the i suspect that may come. And the big ne i suspect that may come. And the big ci i suspect that may come. And the big one, of course, i suspect that may come. And the big one, of course, is i suspect that may come. And the big one, of course, is what encir big one, of course, is what niceryoung big one, of course, is what about young lad if he talks . About the young lad if he talks . We about the young lad if he talks . Ire neveni about the young lad if he talks . We havent heard about the young lad if he talks . We havent heard from him yet. Nec we havent heard from him yet. Nec gene we havent heard from him yet. Hes gonehiding we havent heard from him yet. Hes gone hiding or hes hes gone into hiding or hes been hes gone into hiding or hes been whatever. Hes gone into hiding or hes been whatever. Hasnt spoken. Been whatever. He hasnt spoken. Inic been whatever. He hasnt spoken. Inic sierr been whatever. He hasnt spoken. Inic cicry ic been whatever. He hasnt spoken. Inic story is going been whatever. He hasnt spoken. This story is going to run and inic this story is going to run and inic ic this story is going to run and run. This is not this story is going to run and run. This is not over. Were icin run. This is not over. Were icii inci run. This is not over. Were told that this run. This is not over. Were told that this young man doesnt want told that this young man doesnt want ic told that this young man doesnt went to icic told that this young man doesnt want to talk at told that this young man doesnt want to talk at this told that this young man doesnt want to talk at this stage. Want to talk at this stage. I suggest want to talk at this stage. I suggest tint want to talk at this stage. I suggest that will want to talk at this stage. I suggest that will change very, very quickly over time , although very quickly over time, although that remains to be seen. One that remains to be seen. One thing that i did think was interesting from the sun interview was schofield revealing that had paid for revealing that he had paid for this mans lawyers, this young mans lawyers, independent lawyers. So not schofields lawyers, but independent out to, you know , independent out to, you know, assist him and give him some advice, obviously, because theres concern and allegations of this word grooming, thats come up. But obviously, schofield has very clearly denied that. But then when you consider that he has admits to having helped to pay for those lawyers , is there still there an lawyers, is there still there an element of control taking place between that relationship and that power dynamic . And thats that power dynamic . And thats something that people will be no doubt speculating on and reacting to. We had carol iicgittin reacting to. We had Carol Mcgiffin speaking tier; g we had Carol Mcgiffin speaking to dan wootton last mcgiffin speaking to dan wootton test nigtt mcgiffin speaking to dan wootton test nignt, ncre mcgiffin speaking to dan wootton last night, more revelation is coming last night, more revelation is coming cut. Last night, more revelation is coming out. She last night, more revelation is coming out. She spoke about how strange coming out. She spoke about how strange it coming out. She spoke about how strange it was coming out. She spoke about how strange it was that coming out. She spoke about how strange it was that this young runner turned strange it was that this young runner turned up. She said at tease runner turned up. She said at iccse transn runner turned up. She said at loose women. Runner turned up. She said at loose women. Tell us your your loose women. Tell us your your response to loose women. Tell us your your response to that loose women. Tell us your your response to that interview last nignt. Response to that interview last nignt. Rean response to that interview last night. Yeah, its response to that interview last night. Yeah, its a response to that interview last night. Yeah, its a very interesting night. Yeah, its a very interesting one. Night. Yeah, its a very interesting one. I mean, the thing that strikes me the most about this young runner and his placement within the programme , placement within the programme, if you look on social media and obviously we cant name this this young this young man, but a cursory glance through social media and you can see that he was very sort of big part of was a very sort of big part of the show. He seemed to be brought screen quite a lot. Brought on screen quite a lot. Weve , you shots weve seen, you know, shots where of downing shots where he sort of downing shots of whisky shots , where hes of whisky shots, where hes having suncream put on him. It having suncream put on him. It seems like he was quite a big part of the crew. And then, of course, hes there at the National Television awards on stage we saw dan stage as well. And we saw dan woottons, producer questioning an itv this morning. Boss saying, you know, why was he on there . How did he manage to get there . How did he manage to get on there when sometimes its even hard for producers to get on the stage when they accept a television so i think television award. And so i think theres a lot more to be asked about that. And the idea that people , people at itv were not people, people at itv were not aware of this kind of relationship, people might find increasingly hard to believe. Increasingly hard to believe. And thats what thats as you say and thats what thats as you say , and thats what thats as you say , ray, and thats what thats as you say , itay, tiere and thats what thats as you say , ray, were going to find say, ray, were going to find cut say, ray, were going to find out more. Were say, ray, were going to find out more. Were sure, tuesday weer. Out more. Were sure, tuesday nest. Inant out more. Were sure, tuesday week. Thank you out more. Were sure, tuesday week. Thank you very much. Thank week. Thank you very much. Thank you, week. Thank you very much. Thank you itay. Week. Thank you very much. Thank you itay. Wett week. Thank you very much. Thank you itay. Yiett. Week. Thank you very much. Thank you itay. Yiett. To week. Thank you very much. Thank you, ray. Well , do you week. Thank you very much. Thank you, ray. I i i you, ray. Well, do you think that brexit dragged on for years . Well, it looks like the cows years . Well, it looks like the cows is years . Well, it looks like the covio is going years . Well, it looks like the covid is going the if . Well, it looks like the covid is going the same way. Victi covid is going the same way. Iieii tne covid is going the same way. Well the government are preparing well the government are preparing tor well the government are preparing for a legal battle nons preparing for a legal battle over Boris Johnsons whatsapp sags ine over Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages. messages. The chair of the covid inquiry demanded they be handed over for her investigation , but over for her investigation, but ministers are concerned about damaging content contained in them and want irrelevant ones withheld. Lets speak now to the withheld. Lets speak now to the editor of cap x, john ashmore. Editor of cap x, john ashmore. Good morning to you, john. Really really good to have you with us this morning. I mean, this is absolute unprecedented, isnt it . Looks as though the uk government is going to launch a legal challenge against its own pubuc legal challenge against its own Public Inquiry. Yes, its absolutely Public Inquiry. Yes, its absolutely bizarre, {1. 1. Is. 3 yes, its absolutely bizarre, isnt 1. 1it. Is. 3 yes, its absolutely bizarre, isnt it . Vou absolutely bizarre, isnt it . You know. Absolutely bizarre, isnt it . You know, boris absolutely bizarre, isnt it . You know, Boris Johnson set this inquiry you know, Boris Johnson set this inguiry un you know, Boris Johnson set this inguiry up to you know, Boris Johnson set this inquiry up to years you know, Boris Johnson set this inquiry up to years ago almost exactiy inquiry up to years ago almost exactiy to inquiry up to years ago almost exactly to look inquiry up to years ago almost exactly to look into the covid inquiries exactly to look into the covid inguiries ne exactly to look into the covid inquiries he appointed its chair and inquiries he appointed its chair ant non inquiries he appointed its chair and now we have inquiries he appointed its chair and now we have the cabin office teiiing and now we have the cabin office teiting tnat and now we have the cabin office telling that same and now we have the cabin office telling that same inquiry that it uouit telling that same inquiry that it would rather telling that same inquiry that it would rather not hand over a tuncn it would rather not hand over a tuncn ot it would rather not hand over a tuncn ot nis it would rather not hand over a bunch of his notebooks and wnatsitpn bunch of his notebooks and whatsapp messages. And its seen as a sort whatsapp messages. And its seen as a sort ot whatsapp messages. And its seen as a sort of test whatsapp messages. And its seen as a sort of test case whatsapp messages. And its seen as a sort of test case just to mate as a sort of test case just to mate tnings as a sort of test case just to make things even weirder , last make things even weirder, last nignt make things even weirder, last nignt on make things even weirder, last night on question time, we had a government night on question time, we had a government minister, george treernan government minister, George Freeman , saying that he has no freeman, saying that he has no doubt freeman, saying that he has no doubt tnat freeman, saying that he has no doubt that the freeman, saying that he has no doubt that the government is going doubt that the government is going to doubt that the government is going to tose doubt that the government is going to lose that case, which he going to lose that case, which no seems going to lose that case, which no to going to lose that case, which he seems to be going to lose that case, which he seems to be saying that its tasicaiiy he seems to be saying that its tasicaiiy a he seems to be saying that its basically a test he seems to be saying that its basically a test case to test tne basically a test case to test the boundaries basically a test case to test the boundaries of what is and isnt the boundaries of what is and isnt acceptable. The boundaries of what is and isnt acceptable. Well, you know. Isnt acceptable. Well, you know. In isnt acceptable. Well, you know, in terms isnt acceptable. Well, you know, in terms of the running of gonnt know, in terms of the running of government, what know, in terms of the running of government, what should and snouitnt government, what should and snouitnt te government, what should and shouldnt be handed over. But as you say. Shouldnt be handed over. But as you say. Tne shouldnt be handed over. But as you say, the government set this inguiry you say, the government set this inquiry themselves. Inquiry up themselves. So it tests inquiry up themselves. So it teeis very inquiry up themselves. So it feels very odd. Inquiry up themselves. So it feels very odd. Its another example feels very odd. Its another eoanpie as feels very odd. Its another example as well of rishi sunak tint example as well of rishi sunak tint ot example as well of rishi sunak kind of inheriting example as well of rishi sunak kind of inheriting something tron kind of inheriting something tron nons kind of inheriting something from Boris Johnson that he has to try from Boris Johnson that he has to try ant from Boris Johnson that he has to try and clear from Boris Johnson that he has to try and clear up, although tne to try and clear up, although tne you to try and clear up, although tne you know. To try and clear up, although the you know, its not like he wasnt the you know, its not like he wasnt involved the you know, its not like he wasnt involved as well. You know. Wasnt involved as well. You know. Ne wasnt involved as well. You know. To was wasnt involved as well. You know, he was the wasnt involved as well. You know, he was the chancellor tuning know, he was the chancellor turing tnis know, he was the chancellor during this period as well. So it toes during this period as well. So it does perhaps during this period as well. So it does perhaps touch on his own decision it does perhaps touch on his own decision making. It does perhaps touch on his own decision making. Labour naturaiiy decision making. Labour naturally calling it a cover up. It naturally calling it a cover up. It seems naturally calling it a cover up. It to naturally calling it a cover up. It seems to me naturally calling it a cover up. It seems to me more a kind of yeahs it seems to me more a kind of yean its it seems to me more a kind of yean its as it seems to me more a kind of yeah, its as much it seems to me more a kind of yeah, its as much up as cover up. Yeah, its as much up as cover up. I yeah, its as much up as cover up. I tont yeah, its as much up as cover up. I dont know yeah, its as much up as cover up. I dont know if yeah, its as much up as cover up. I dont know if theres anytning. Up. I dont know if theres anytning. Its up. I dont know if theres anything. Its impossible to say if anything. Its impossible to say it tneres anything. Its impossible to say if theres anything specific. If theres anything specific. Ineyre if theres anything specific. Theyre twing if theres anything specific. Theyre trying to avoid handing over or whether theyre trying to avoid handing over or whether its as george treernan over or whether its as george treernan sait over or whether its as George Freeman said last over or whether its as George Freeman said last night, whether its freeman said last night, whether its iust freeman said last night, whether its iust a freeman said last night, whether its just a general freeman said last night, whether its just a general principle tneyre its just a general principle tneyre going its just a general principle theyre going for. But it just toots theyre going for. But it just ioots you theyre going for. But it just looks you know, theyre going for. But it just looks you know, it just looks ctaotic looks you know, it just looks chaotic, doesnt looks you know, it just looks chaotic, doesnt it . Okay, john, tots chaotic, doesnt it . Okay, john, tets iust chaotic, doesnt it . Okay, john, lets just clear chaotic, doesnt it . Okay, john, lets just clear up chaotic, doesnt it . Okay, john, lets just clear up this aspect of lets just clear up this aspect ot nons lets just clear up this aspect of Boris Johnson lets just clear up this aspect of Boris Johnson as old phone. So of Boris Johnson as old phone. So ne of Boris Johnson as old phone. So he changea of Boris Johnson as old phone. So he changed phones of Boris Johnson as old phone. So he changed phones during this , the messages he supplied. So far and he dates back to may 2021, which of course, was way after all of the lockdowns had finished. Boris is claiming thats because that phone was compromised. His mobile phone a bit online for 15 years. Apparently so is it fair for him to say that will this phone, do you think, be taken anyway and used . Whats going to happen used . Whats going to happen with that old phone . Well, with that old phone . Well, i think thats just i11i 7 well, i think thats just another one 1 7 well, i think thats just another one of tnese think thats just another one of these questions think thats just another one of these questions thats really up in tne these questions thats really up in tne air these questions thats really up in tne as these questions thats really up in the air, as you these questions thats really up in the air, as you say, boris ciain in the air, as you say, boris ciain is in the air, as you say, boris claim is that in the air, as you say, boris claim is that there was a secure iiotty claim is that there was a secure iiotty treacn claim is that there was a secure motty breach, which sounds a bit richr motty breach, which sounds a bit ricn given motty breach, which sounds a bit rich, given that, motty breach, which sounds a bit rich, given that, as motty breach, which sounds a bit rich, given that, as you say, it aiso rich, given that, as you say, it was also apparently available for was also apparently available tor is was also apparently available tor it years was also apparently available for 15 years online. Im pretty i for 15 years online. Im pretty i nave for 15 years online. Im pretty sure i have boriss mobile at point. Sure i have boriss mobile at point. In sure i have boriss mobile at one point. In fact. Yeah i mint. One point. In fact. Yeah i think, again, one point. In fact. Yeah i think, again, it one point. In fact. Yeah i think, again, it might be up for the think, again, it might be up for tne inguiry think, again, it might be up for the inquiry itself think, again, it might be up for the inquiry itself to determine tnat the inquiry itself to determine tnat ant the inquiry itself to determine that and perhaps the inquiry itself to determine that and perhaps well find out tnis that and perhaps well find out once this whole that and perhaps well find out once this whole legal wrangle unwints once this whole legal wrangle unwints. I once this whole legal wrangle unwinds. I think once this whole legal wrangle unwinds. I think its just anotner unwinds. I think its just another one unwinds. I think its just another one of these sort of bizarre another one of these sort of bizarre aspects another one of these sort of bizarre aspects. Another one of these sort of bizarre aspects. Another thing bizarre aspects. Another thing iust bizarre aspects. Another thing iustto bizarre aspects. Another thing iust to ata bizarre aspects. Another thing iust to att. Ty bizarre aspects. Another thing just to add, by the way, is that aggarentty just to add, by the way, is that apparentty one just to add, by the way, is that apparently one of just to add, by the way, is that apparently one of the reasons tnat apparently one of the reasons tnat tne apparently one of the reasons tnat tne ant apparently one of the reasons that the and again, this is a tint that the and again, this is a tint ot that the and again, this is a kind of rumour that the and again, this is a kind of rumour mill stuff, but apparentty kind of rumour mill stuff, but apparentty one kind of rumour mill stuff, but apparently one the reasons apparently one of the reasons tneyre apparently one of the reasons theyredifficulty apparently one of the reasons theyre difficulty with theyre having difficulty with theyre having difficulty with the notebooks theyre having difficulty with the notebooks is that his notes area the notebooks is that his notes area mess from the notebooks is that his notes are a mess from that era. Are such a mess from that era. It are such a mess from that era. It was are such a mess from that era. It was described are such a mess from that era. It was described as are such a mess from that era. It was described as kind of coitection it was described as kind of collection of it was described as kind of collection of post it notes and ant collection of post it notes and random jottings. Collection of post it notes and random jottings. And so on, wnicn random jottings. And so on, wnicn toes random jottings. And so on, which does sort random jottings. And so on, which does sort of feed into pectics which does sort of feed into geoptes image which does sort of feed into peoples image of how boris works peoples image of how boris worts. Peoples image of how boris works. There peoples image of how boris works. There are peoples image of how boris works. iii; at; gift 9 peoples image of how boris works. Gist 3g peoples image of how boris works. Gs 3g peoples image of how boris works. G s 3g works. There are going to be so many questions about that phone because there will be questions about if that that phone hasnt been switched on since april 2021. Were being told. Well, theres been the sue gray inquiry since then. So has sue gray not asked to see Boris Johnsons phone . Have lawyers johnsons phone . Have lawyers had the Security Services not asked to see Boris Johnsons phone . There are going to be lots of questions about that in the upcoming days. What you the upcoming days. What do you make of the school of thought that johnson bluffing that Boris Johnson is bluffing at the moment . So hes offering to personally hand the inquiry , to personally hand the inquiry, free his phone and his diaries. But that means that hes actually putting the ball firmly in rishi sunak court. And we know that theres no love lost between those two. Yeah it certainly does feel as though he is trying to embarrass his successor. We know theres a tint successor. We know theres a tint ot successor. We know theres a tint ot caucus successor. We know theres a kind of caucus of we know theres a kind of caucus of mps , including kind of caucus of mps, including torts kind of caucus of mps, including boris himself, kind of caucus of mps, including boris himself, but kind of caucus of mps, including boris himself, but pro boris mps wno boris himself, but pro boris mps wno are boris himself, but pro boris mps wno stit boris himself, but pro boris mps who are still smarting from the way who are still smarting from the way tnat who are still smarting from the way tnat ne who are still smarting from the way that he was who are still smarting from the way that he was turfed out of government way that he was turfed out of government. Way that he was turfed out of government. In way that he was turfed out of government. In their view, they government. In their view, they tnint government. In their view, they tnint ne government. In their view, they tnint to was government. In their view, they think he was stabbed in the tact. Think he was stabbed in the tact. A think he was stabbed in the tact. A tot think he was stabbed in the back. A lot of think he was stabbed in the back. A lot of them wish that he nat back. A lot of them wish that he nat run back. A lot of them wish that he nat wnen back. A lot of them wish that he had run when rishi back. A lot of them wish that he had run when rishi sunak became pm had run when rishi sunak became iii tast had run when rishi sunak became pm last autumn had run when rishi sunak became pm last autumn. Had run when rishi sunak became pm last autumn. Um, whether or pm last autumn. Um, whether or not torts pm last autumn. Um, whether or not toris is pm last autumn. Um, whether or not boris is bluffing is its an interesting not boris is bluffing is its an interesting question because, you interesting question because, you tnow interesting question because, you tnow. As interesting question because, you know, as, as that minister sorry you know, as, as that minister sorry to you know, as, as that minister sorry to teen you know, as, as that minister sorry to keep coming back to it tut sorry to keep coming back to it tut as sorry to keep coming back to it tut as tnat sorry to keep coming back to it but as that minister last night sait but as that minister last night sait. You but as that minister last night sait. You tnow but as that minister last night said, you know, they dont expect said, you know, they dont expect to said, you know, they dont expect to actually the government expect to actually the government dont expect to win tnis government dont expect to win tnis cas government dont expect to win this case anyway. Government dont expect to win this case anyway. So i think torts this case anyway. So i think toris is this case anyway. So i think boris is rather this case anyway. So i think boris is rather than bluffing, i tnint getting boris is rather than bluffing, i. Think getting ahead think hes kind of getting ahead of think hes kind of getting ahead ot tne think hes kind of getting ahead ot tne game think hes kind of getting ahead of the game and think hes kind of getting ahead of the game and making out like nes of the game and making out like nosguy. Of the game and making out like nes guy. Gm, of the game and making out like nes guy. Gm, you of the game and making out like hes guy. Um, you would hes the good guy. Um, you would aiso hes the good guy. Um, you would also assume, um, hes the good guy. Um, you would also assume, um, if hes the good guy. Um, you would also assume, um, if hes so wiiiing also assume, um, if hes so willing apparently willing to willing to apparently willing to tant willing to apparently willing to hand notebooks willing to apparently willing to hand notebooks that hand over these notebooks that tiere hand over these notebooks that tiers anytning there probably isnt anything tnat there probably isnt anything that incriminating in there that it incriminating in there or tnat that it incriminating in there or that embarrass thing for him. Um or that embarrass thing for him. Gm on or that embarrass thing for him. Um on broader or that embarrass thing for him. Um on broader point though , on um on broader point though, on the um on broader point though, on tne on um on broader point though, on tne on tne um on broader point though, on the on the cowo um on broader point though, on the on the covid inquiry, i tnint the on the covid inquiry, i think martin the on the covid inquiry, i think martin said it in the in tne think martin said it in the in tne teat think martin said it in the in tne teat in think martin said it in the in the lead in though that its iust the lead in though that its iust ty the lead in though that its iust ty tne the lead in though that its just by the time it reports its going just by the time it reports its going to just by the time it reports its going to report just by the time it reports its going to report in 2026. I think a iot going to report in 2026. I think a tot ot going to report in 2026. I think a tot ot tnis going to report in 2026. I think a lot of this stuff going to report in 2026. I think a lot of this stuff is going to tite a lot of this stuff is going to seem like ancient history. Then wett seem like ancient history. Then wett nnotatty seem like ancient history. Then well probably be seem like ancient history. Then well probably be two Prime Ministers well probably be two Prime Ministers on well probably be two Prime Ministers on three ministers on from three Prime Ministers ministers on from three Prime Ministersboris ministers on from three Prime Ministers boris by then ministers on from boris by then itii ministers on from boris by then itti teet ministers on from boris by then itll feel like ministers on from boris by then itll feel like some ministers on from boris by then itll feel like some kind of went itll feel like some kind of weird history itll feel like some kind of weird history rather weird History Lesson rather tian weird History Lesson rather wantnow weird History Lesson rather tnanltnow. Weird History Lesson rather than, know , current lessons weird History Lesson rather tha government , current lessons weird History Lesson rather tha government policy. It lessons weird History Lesson rather tha government policy. It lessons weird History Lesson rather tha government policy. It will ns for government policy. It will nave for government policy. It will nave tone for government policy. It will have done five for government policy. It will have done five years. And thats assuming have done five years. And thats assuming it have done five years. And thats assuming it reports on time. You tnow assuming it reports on time. You tnow. Tne assuming it reports on time. You know, the history assuming it reports on time. You know, the history of government inquiries know, the history of government inguiries is know, the history of government inquiries is that know, the history of government inquiries is that they drag on ant inquiries is that they drag on ant inquiries is that they drag on and on. Remember the chilcot inguiry and on. Remember the chilcot inguiry tor and on. Remember the chilcot inguiry tor nag and on. Remember the chilcot inquiry for iraq, the sunday inguin inquiry for iraq, the sunday inguiryt rou inquiry for iraq, the sunday inquiry . You know, these things nave inquiry . You know, these things nave a inquiry . You know, these things have a tendency inquiry . You know, these things have a tendency to drag on and tint have a tendency to drag on and tint ot have a tendency to drag on and tint otas have a tendency to drag on and kind ofas they have a tendency to drag on and kind ofas they go. Kind of expand as they go. So, i mean, personally kind of expand as they go. So, i mean, personally , kind of expand as they go. So, i mean, personally , ive always mean, personally, ive always teen mean, personally, ive always teen very mean, personally, ive always been very sceptical about wnetner been very sceptical about whether needed such been very sceptical about whetherneeded such massive whether we needed such a massive. Tn. Whether we needed such a massive. Gm, tut whether we needed such a massive exercise. Um, but yeah, we shall exercise. Um, but yeah, we shall i exercise. Um, but yeah, we shall i suppose exercise. Um, but yeah, we shall i suppose. Exercise. Um, but yeah, we shall see. I suppose. See. I suppose. Okay. John ashmore, thank you for your time this morning, editor at capex. This morning, editor at capex. And i noticed one person whos been really noticeable by their absence in all of this, and thats Dominic Cummings because he was on these whatsapp groups. Are you not telling me, ellie, was fruity exchanges was some fruity exchanges between Boris Johnson and dominic and think Dominic Cummings . And i think thats government want thats why the government want the , as they call the tittle tattle, as they call it, redacted because one throwaway comment, one inappropriate bang , is inappropriate remark, bang, is going to be absolute bedlam. Yeah, 40 names yeah, well, there are 40 names of people that have reportedly had Whatsapp Communications that are going to be sent to this inquiry. And you can imagine tiere inquiry. And you can imagine tnere couit inquiry. And you can imagine there could be inquiry. And you can imagine there could be a inquiry. And you can imagine there could be a lot 3 . Q and you can imagine there could be a lot to lose as you there could be a lot to lose as you say. There could be a lot to lose as you say. Even there could be a lot to lose as you say, even with there could be a lot to lose as you say, even with just one tatiy you say, even with just one badly worded you say, even with just one badly worded comment on those wnatsanns badly worded comment on those whatsappsr you badly worded comment on those whatsapps, you can understand why whatsapps, you can understand wny you whatsapps, you can understand wny you nignt whatsapps, you can understand why you might be hesitant to tant why you might be hesitant to nant over why you might be hesitant to hand over all why you might be hesitant to hand over all of why you might be hesitant to hand over all of your whatsapp sags tet hand over all of your whatsapp messages. Let us hand over all of your whatsapp messages. Let us know what you tnint messages. Let us know what you tnint at messages. Let us know what you tnint at none. Messages. Let us know what you think at home. Gb messages. Let us know what you think at home. Gb views at gb news think at home. Gb views at gb news. Com. Now think at home. Gb views at gb news. Com. Now Train Services news. Com. Now Train Services icing news. Com. Now Train Services teing nit news. Com. Now Train Services teing nit ty news. Com. Now Train Services are being hit by more strike action are being hit by more strike action tnis are being hit by more strike action this week are being hit by more strike action this week as rmt members wait action this week as rmt members wait out action this week as rmt members wait out in action this week as rmt members wait out in a action this week as rmt members walk out in a long action this week as rmt members walk out in a long running tisnute walk out in a long running tisnute over walk out in a long running dispute overjobs, pay and conditions dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. Dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. i dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. i dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. Yeah, and this comes conditions. Yeah, and this comes after members of aslef walked out on wednesday, meaning several operators were running no trains. Well, lets speak now to friend of the program and travel correspondent simon calder with his thoughts. And i believe simon, that you 3 g and i believe simon, that you are at stanstet believe simon, that you are at Stansted Airport believe simon, that you are at Stansted Airport right now, wnicn Stansted Airport right now, wnicn is Stansted Airport right now, wnicn is very Stansted Airport right now, which is very , Stansted Airport right now, which is very , very significant which is very, very significant tecause which is very, very significant because this which is very, very significant because this week weve seen pictures because this week weve seen pictures ant because this week weve seen pictures and photos of people actuaiiy pictures and photos of people actually sleeping on the floor tnere actually sleeping on the floor tnere tuc actually sleeping on the floor tnere tue to actually sleeping on the floor there due to these train strites. There due to these train strikes. Well there due to these train strikes. Well its been pretty niseratte. Strikes. Well its been pretty miserable. And, strikes. Well its been pretty miserable. 3 visa; miserable. And, yes, ive just been passed some sleeping passengers , all very lively passengers, all very lively here. So yeah, very, very busy morning staffs telling me that things are back to pre covid levels. But nobody i can levels. But nobody i can guarantee of the thousands of passengers who are here today, boarding flights which began in the past half hour or so, nobody got here by train this morning because the first one doesnt arrive until 8 am. So, yeah, people came up last night, slept on the floor, and theres been repeats of that sort of scene in gatwick and luton, birmingham, Manchester Airport. So todays Manchester Airport. So todays strike, yes, it feels as though your rail ticket is a Lottery Ticket , but its not actually ticket, but its not actually any. The more significant than any. The more significant than previous rmt strikes is causing lots of damage, none of it in wales or scotland, where transport for wales and scotland are running normally, but it will be having an effect on the main Long Distance operators as well as the commuter services. But its tomorrow , saturday, the but its tomorrow, saturday, the 3rd of june cup final day. Epsom derby day when its really going to have an effect. The train to have an effect. The train drivers belonging to aslef actually have much more of an impact. And as a result of that, if you are hoping to travel tomorrow, well, good luck. Unless youre lucky enough to live in wales or scotland. Okay so well keep it quick. So i understand youre 1 e is. s. Aslef , and he says, were no aslef, and he says, were no closer. Any kind of settlement. Closer. Any kind of settlement. Basically, we want a decent cash rise to make up for the fact that we havent had a pay rise for 3 or 4 years. We worked all the way through covid and we dont want any strings attached. Similar from the. Very similar message from the rmt union. Government, rmt union. The government, meanwhile , says, youve got to meanwhile, says, youve got to be joking. The rail finances are be joking. The rail finances are a complete disaster. After covid you can have a modest increase , you can have a modest increase, but youre only getting that if you agree to productivity increases. Meanwhile, poor old passengers stuck in the middle. Passengers stuck in the middle. Its looking increasingly as though you simply cannot trust the railways to get you where you need to be. And of course , you need to be. And of course, tens of thousands of city and united fans tomorrow will be travelling by coach instead because Avanti West Coast will not be able to take them from manchester to london. Okay simon calder, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed at Stansted Airport. We better let you 90 Stansted Airport. We better let you go catcn Stansted Airport. We better let you go catcn your we better let you go catch your plane. Thank you you go catch your plane. Thank you very you go catch your plane. Thank you very nucn. You go catch your plane. Thank you very much. Thank you. Think atout you very much. Thank you. Think atout tnint you very much. Thank you. Think about think about you very much. Thank you. Think about think about simon you tove. About think about simon you tove. Wes about think about simon you love. Hes always about think about simon you love. s 3 love. Hes always on the front lines. Planes, trains, automobiles, just about to board his flight. You know, you can almost taste that first gin and tonic. Yeah, well, hes a man of his tonic. Yeah, well, hes a man of nis wort. Tonic. Yeah, well, hes a man of nis wort. Isnt tonic. Yeah, well, hes a man of his word, isnt he . It. Yeah, well, hes a man of his word, isnt he . And its a spectat his word, isnt he . And its a speciat isrn his word, isnt he . And its a special ism, and his word, isnt he . And its a special ism, and he and special ism, and he lives and treaties special ism, and he lives and breathes. Hes special ism, and he lives and breathes hes always on the breathes it. Hes always on the go, breathes it. Hes always on the gonet breathes it. Hes always on the gonet ts breathes it. Hes always on the gonet as you breathes it. Hes always on the go,he . As you say, breathes it. Hes always on the go, he . As you say, on a go, isnt he . As you say, on a piano go, isnt he . As you say, on a piano a go, isnt he . As you say, on a ptane. A train. Go, isnt he . As you say, on a plane, a train, an go, isnt he . As you say, on a plane, a train, an automobile. He plane, a train, an automobile. We is plane, a train, an automobile. We is pust plane, a train, an automobile. He is just brilliant. Let us tnow he is just brilliant. Let us tnow it he is just brilliant. Let us tnow it you he is just brilliant. Let us know if you are he is just brilliant. Let us know if you are the fa know if you are off to the fa cup know if you are off to the fa cup tinai know if you are off to the fa cup tinat at know if you are off to the fa cup final at wembley today or inteet cup final at wembley today or inteet ott cup final at wembley today or indeed off to cup final at wembley today or indeed off to beyonce or epsom. Ineres on indeed off to beyonce or epsom. Thereson this theres lots going on this weetent theres lots going on this weekend not. Theres lots going on this weekend not to weekend and youre not going to be weekend and youre not going to toeget weekend and youre not going to toeget tnere weekend and youre not going to toeget tnere ty weekend and youre not going to be get there by train. Be able to get there by a train. I be able to get there by a train. I tnint be able to get there by a train. I tnintliot be able to get there by a train. I thinkllot of be able to get there by a train. I think lot of people are i think a lot of people are going i think a lot of people are going to i think a lot of people are going to early, i think a lot of people are going to early, so i was going to travel early, so i was in witn going to travel early, so i was in wit a going to travel early, so i was in with a with going to travel early, so i was in with a with a going to travel early, so i was in with a with a black cabbie on the in with a with a black cabbie on tne way in with a with a black cabbie on tne way in in with a with a black cabbie on tne way in tnis in with a with a black cabbie on the way in this morning. Is; in with a with a black cabbie on the way in this morning. s; the way in this morning. He was saying the way in this morning. He was saying tnat the way in this morning. He was saying thatot the way in this morning. He was saying that of banks are saying that loads of banks are going down to london going to come down to london today. So think trafalgar today. So i think Trafalgar Square is going to be fruity later on. Think be later on. I think theyll be coming before coming down the night before saying in hotels, good for tourism and a lot of people having for sadiq having to drive. Good for sadiq khan his ulez. Its going khan on his ulez. But its going to chaos. And these things, to be chaos. And these things, ali, feel very ali, they do feel very, very cynically timed. Well, the unions would cynically timed. Well, the unions would say {at 3 l1. 33 s; well, the unions would say that � fg 3 fie. 33 s; well, the unions would say that this cynically timed. Well, the unions would say that this an unions would say that this is an intentionai unions would say that this is an intentional that unions would say that this is an intentional that they didnt organise intentional that they didnt organise the intentional that they didnt organise the strike dates to coincite organise the strike dates to. Coincite tut organise the strike dates to. Coitite tut organise the strike dates to. Coiidid see but organise the strike dates to. Coiidid see the but organise the strike dates to coiidid see the last but organise the strike dates to coiidid see the last train but organise the strike dates to coiidid see the last train strike we did see the last train strike setltates we did see the last train strike setdates that we did see the last train strike setdates that did we did see the last train strike set dates that did coincide set of dates that did coincide witn set of dates that did coincide with eurovision. Set of dates that did coincide with eurovision. We were with eurovision. I think we were ten with eurovision. I think we were neeatout with eurovision. I think we were hereabout that, with eurovision. I think we were here about that, werent here talking about that, werent wet here talking about that, werent we . Coincidence . Is here talking about that, werent we . S s7 is it we . Coincidence . Is it a coincidence . We . Coincidence . Is it a coincidence . Is we . Coincidence . Is it a coincidence . Is it we . 3l s;3l s;7 is it a coincidence . Is it not . We . 3l s;3 l. s;7 is it a coincidence . Is it not . I we . 3 l. s. 3 l. s;7 is it a coincidence . Is it not . I mean, tney coincidence . Is it not . I mean, tney wouit coincidence . Is it not . I mean, tney woutt say coincidence . Is it not . I mean, they would say that any strike tate they would say that any strike tatecnoose. They would say that any strike date choose, theyre going date they choose, theyre going toltisrupting date they choose, theyre going to disrupting something. To be disrupting something. Let us at to be disrupting something. Let. Us at none. Us know what you think at home. Vaiews gbnews. Uk com yeah. Now do vaiews gbnews. Uk com yeah. Now to stay vaiews gbnews. Uk com yeah. Now to stay witn vaiews gbnews. Uk com yeah. Now to stay witn us vaiews gbnews. Uk com yeah. Now do stay with us because theres tots do stay with us because theres totsto do stay with us because theres totsto corne do stay with us because theres lots to come, including lots more to come, including uk pants neasiyi banks are paying savers measly rates banks are paying savers measly rates on banks are paying savers measly rates on their banks are paying savers measly rates on their cash banks are paying savers measly rates on their cash. Youre rates on their cash. Youre watcning rates on their cash. Youre watching breakfast on gb news rignt watching breakfast on gb news rignt. Welcome back. S welcome back. 6 21 welcome back. 6 2 41. s; welcome back. Its 624. Youre watching and listening to breakfast with martin and eddie. And please remember to get in touch with us all the usual ways. Gb views at gb news. Com. Ways. Gb views at gb news. Com. Weve got a few in already. Ls yes , we do. Obviously were yes, we do. Obviously were tatting yes, we do. Obviously were talking about 3 s;~; s obviously were talking about philips schofield this talking about philips schofield tnis morning talking about philips schofield this morning all talking about philips schofield this morning all over the papers. Tn this morning all over the papers. In atrait this morning all over the papers. Im afraid the this morning all over the papers. Im afraid the story is not going. Im afraid the story is not going away. Im afraid the story is not going away. Because philip going away. Its because philip scnotieit going away. Its because Philip Schofield has going away. Its because Philip Schofield has given exclusive schofield has given an exclusive interview schofield has given an exclusive interview to schofield has given an exclusive interview to the schofield has given an exclusive interview to the Sun Newspaper. Toot interview to the Sun Newspaper. Toot at interview to the Sun Newspaper. Toot at tnis. Interview to the Sun Newspaper. Look at this. Im interview to the Sun Newspaper. Look at this. Im broken and asnanet look at this. Im broken and asnanet. Look at this. Im broken and ashamed , but look at this. Im broken and ashamed , but not a groomer. Look at this. Im broken and ashamed , but not a groomer. And ashamed, but not a groomer. And its ashamed, but not a groomer. And its a ashamed, but not a groomer. And its a catty ashamed, but not a groomer. And its a really extra ashamed, but not a groomer. And its a really extra ordinary interview. Its a really extra ordinary interview, isnt its a really extra ordinary interview, isnt it, martin . I. It interview, isnt it, martin . I. It says interview, isnt it, martin . I mean , it says just inside on mean, it says just inside on page mean, it says just inside on page 44 mean, it says just inside on page e t ant mean, it says just inside on page 4 4 and five, i am not steeping page 4 4 and five, i am not steeping or page 4 4 and five, i am not sleeping or eating. Theres a sleeping or eating. Theres a lot sleeping or eating. Theres a tot ot sleeping or eating. Theres a tot ot vaping sleeping or eating. Theres a lot of vaping and southern contort lot of vaping and Southern Comfort instead. And he also says comfort instead. And he also says tnat comfort instead. And he also says tnat it comfort instead. And he also says that if it comfort instead. And he also says that if it wasnt for his gins says that if it wasnt for his girts. Says that if it wasnt for his girts. Nis says that if it wasnt for his girls , his young says that if it wasnt for his girls , his young daughters, girls, his young daughters, wett girls, his young daughters, weii. Not girls, his young daughters, well, not that girls, his young daughters, well, not that young, actually. Tneyre well, not that young, actually. Tneyre in well, not that young, actually. Theyre in their well, not that young, actually. Theyre in their 20s yeah, he wouitnt theyre in their 20s yeah, he wouitnt te theyre in their 20s yeah, he wouldnt be here theyre in their 20s yeah, he wouldnt be here anymore. So wouldnt be here anymore. So its wouldnt be here anymore. So its a wouldnt be here anymore. So its a very wouldnt be here anymore. So its a very fragile wouldnt be here anymore. So its a very fragile man who has troten its a very fragile man who has now broken his its a very fragile man who has now broken his silence and giving now broken his silence and giving an now broken his silence and giving an exclusive interview to the giving an exclusive interview to tne sun. Giving an exclusive interview to tne sun. Ant giving an exclusive interview to the sun. And he giving an exclusive interview to the sun. 3 giving an exclusive interview to the sun. the sun. And he talks about how some of the abuse hes faced online. He feels very homophobic. A witch homophobic. He calls it a witch hunt. And then he makes the plea. Know there is. Do you not know there is a human being at the end of this . Do you actually want me to die . Is the end game . Ellie, is that the end game . Ellie, people this people are responding to this very strongly. Judy says eveonery very strongly. Judy says everyone to very strongly. Judy says everyone to stopi very strongly. Judy says everyone to stop hounding Everyone Needs to stop hounding this Everyone Needs to stop hounding tnis witcn Everyone Needs to stop hounding this witch hunt Everyone Needs to stop hounding this witch hunt. This man. It is a witch hunt. Ant this man. It is a witch hunt. Ant sniriey this man. It is a witch hunt. And shirley says this man. It is a witch hunt. And shirley says philip is just getting and shirley says philip is just getting a and shirley says philip is just getting a taste and shirley says philip is just getting a taste of his own neticine getting a taste of his own neticine. Getting a taste of his own medicine. Hes getting a taste of his own medicine. Hes been medicine. Hes been self righteous for years this self righteous for years on this morning. Self righteous for years on this morning, casting self righteous for years on this morning, casting on morning, casting judgement on peopie morning, casting judgement on peopte. Morning, casting judgement on peopte. Rotting morning, casting judgement on people , rolling his eyes, people, rolling his eyes, stating people, rolling his eyes, shakinghead people, rolling his eyes, shaking head and anyone who shaking his head and anyone who did shaking his head and anyone who tit anytning shaking his head and anyone who did anything wrong. We reap what we initip did anything wrong. We reap what we sow. Philip yeah, and aired toiiows we sow. Philip yeah, and aired toiiows up we sow. Philip yeah, and aired toiiows up on we sow. Philip yeah, and aired follows up on that saying good morning. Follows up on that saying good morning, ellie. Follows up on that saying good morning, ellie. Its. 3 rouse. Morning, ellie. Martin well, good morning to you and the schofield issue is alarmed but also sad. My family and i enjoyed not only this mornings richard and judy for years, but also philip. So people are really split on this. They are really split on this. They are reatty spitt really split on this. They are really split on really split on this. They are really split on this. s;v1. r s s 3 they are really split on this. Yeah, i tnint really split on this. Yeah, i tnint it really split on this. Yeah, i tnint it is really split on this. Yeah, i think it is really, really as you think it is really, really as you sait think it is really, really as you said earlier, this is written you said earlier, this is written in you said earlier, this is written in a you said earlier, this is written in a very sympathetic way. Written in a very sympathetic way. Ine written in a very sympathetic way. Ine sun written in a very sympathetic way. The sun article, it is wortn way. The sun article, it is worth reading way. The sun article, it is worth reading today if you want to get worth reading today if you want to get out worth reading today if you want to get out ant worth reading today if you want to get out and buy a newspaper. But to get out and buy a newspaper. Put its to get out and buy a newspaper. Put its very. To get out and buy a newspaper. Put its very. Very to get out and buy a newspaper. But its very, very difficult because but its very, very difficult tccausc i but its very, very difficult because i also but its very, very difficult because i also about the because i also think about the young because i also think about the young runnr because i also think about the young in because i also think about the young runner in all of this. And initip young runner in all of this. And initip toes young runner in all of this. And philip does actually make a plea saying. Philip does actually make a plea sayings 90 philip does actually make a plea saying go attcr philip does actually make a plea saying, go after him . Saying, do you not go after him . Do saying, do you not go after him . Too you saying, do you not go after him . Too you not saying, do you not go after him . Do you not go saying, do you not go after him . Do you not go after saying, do you not go after him . Do you not go after his family . Wcs do you not go after his family . Wcs tne do you not go after his family . Wcs tnc oniy do you not go after his family . Hes the only person whos done anytning nin. I anything wrong here is him. Teat. Anything wrong here is him. Weantne anything wrong here is him. Yeah. The front anything wrong here is him. Yeah. The front of. Anything wrong here is him. Yeah. The front of the yeah. And on the front of the mail today, theres feedback from wife, who feels from schofields wife, who feels furious about not furious and betrayed about not knowing truth seems to be a knowing the truth seems to be a common theme. Holly said the same itv are echoing that, but i think youre absolutely right, ellie. Missing piece in ellie. The missing piece in this, like, now, is the this, if you like, now, is the young lad. And where is he . Will he break his silence . You suspect ray edison said at the top of the show, its going to have happen some point have to happen at some point just and draw line just to try and draw a line under it. This ones going to run and run. And you can imagine the run and run. And you can imagine tnc iournaiists run and run. And you can imagine the journalists that run and run. And you can imagine the journalists that are the journalists that are nounting the journalists that are hounding the the journalists that are houndingthe moment hounding him at the moment wanting hounding him at the moment wanting interview wanting that first interview witn can wanting that first interviewi with can also with him. And you can also imagine with him. And you can also imaginemoney with him. And you can also imagine money that is being imagine the money that is being ottcrct imagine the money that is being ottcrct to imagine the money that is being offered to that imagine the money that is being offered to that young man into wincticy. Ot offered to that young man into hinckley, of this. Offered to that young man into hinckley, of this sun hinckley, a key part of this sun ccusiivc hinckley, a key part of this sun exclusive. That hinckley, a key part of this sun exclusive that voluntarily exclusive is that voluntarily schofields exclusive is that voluntarily schofields lawyers approach the sun schofields lawyers approach the ant schofields lawyers approach the ant otter schofields lawyers approach the sun and offer this. So this is schofield offering himself. And that i think is really interesting because this is him attempting to take back the narrative to tell his story. This is not tabloid journalist hounding celebrities until they until they baulk and give in. This is absolutely, to me , as this is absolutely, to me, as somebody whos worked in newspapers and edited for years, this is a classic stage managed interview to allow the climb and full copy approval for full placement. And it feels to me placement. And it feels to me like a celebrity masterclass in how to take back the media narrative. Yes. And we also know narrative. Yes. And we also know tnat narrative. Yes. And we also know tnat initip narrative. Yes. And we also know that Philip Schofield yes. And we also know that Philip Schofield has done a sit town that Philip Schofield has done a sit down interview that Philip Schofield has done a sit down interview with the bbc. Civiousiy. Sit down interview with the bbc. Civiousiy. Ne sit down interview with the bbc. Obviously, he couldnt do a sit town obviously, he couldnt do a sit down interview obviously, he couldnt do a sit down interview with itv for obvious down interview with itv for obvious reasons. Down interview with itv for obvious reasons. And we will be singing obvious reasons. And we will be tringing you obvious reasons. And we will be tringing you tne obvious reasons. And we will be bringing you the highlights from that interview. Bringing you the highlights from that interview. And well be taiting that interview. And well be tattinglitay that interview. And well be talking ray addison talking to ray addison and stcpnanic talking to ray addison and stephanie about that. So Stephanie Takyi about that. So you tont Stephanie Takyi about that. So you tont want Stephanie Takyi about that. So you dont want to Stephanie Takyi about that. So you dont want to that. And you dont want to miss that. And ivc iit you dont want to miss that. And ivc iii twing ive just finally, ill bring you ive just finally, ill bring you tne ive just finally, ill bring you the front ive just finally, ill bring you the front page of the mirror, which you the front page of the mirror, which is Holly Willoughby mirror, which is Holly Willoughby on holiday in iortugai. Willoughby on holiday in portugal. She willoughby on holiday in portugal. She is defiant, saying tnat portugal. She is defiant, saying tnat sics portugal. She is defiant, saying that shes going portugal. She is defiant, saying that shes going to be back to wort that shes going to be back to wort on that shes going to be back to wort on tne that shes going to be back to work on the this that shes going to be back to work on the this morning sofa on itontay work on the this morning sofa on iiontay. Ant work on the this morning sofa on monday. And thats work on the this morning sofa on monday. And thats just eight tays monday. And thats just eight tays tctorc monday. And thats just eight days before itv monday. And thats just eight days before itv execs are gucstionct days before itv execs are questioned by days before itv execs are questioned by mps. Days before itv execs are questioned by mps. So it is questioned by mps. So it is going questioned by mps. So it is going to. Questioned by mps. So it is going to. As questioned by mps. So it is going to. As you questioned by mps. So it is going to, as you say, this story is pust going to, as you say, this story is iust going going to, as you say, this story is iust going to going to, as you say, this story is just going to roll on and on. Its is just going to roll on and on. Its atso is just going to roll on and on. Its also interesting is just going to roll on and on. Its also interesting on is just going to roll on and on. Its also interesting on Holly Willoughbys instagram, if you have a look at that, shes basically its just business as normal. Shes on holiday in portugal. Plugging her portugal. Shes plugging her products. Its as if none of this has happened, putting out that that kind of business as usual, keep calm and carry on social media for at least we dont know whats happening behind the scenes and inside her head. Certainly she is not head. But certainly she is not acting somebody plans acting like somebody who plans to show any time soon. To leave the show any time soon. Shes not acting like somebody who believes part of this who believes shes part of this problem. Carrying on problem. Shes carrying on exactly normal. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly as normal. Yeah. Yeah. And exactly as normal. Yeah. Yeah. Ant tne exactly as normal. Yeah. Yeah. Ant tne test exactly as normal. Yeah. Yeah. L and the best thing and maybe that is the best thing for and maybe that is the best thing torat and maybe that is the best thing torat tne and maybe that is the best thing forat the moment. And maybe that is the best thing for at the moment. Let for her to do at the moment. Let us tnow for her to do at the moment. Let us tnow wnat for her to do at the moment. Let us know what you for her to do at the moment. Let us know what you think. Gb views at ct us know what you think. Gb views at on news us know what you think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Us know what you think. Gb views at gb news. Com. Finally, at gb news. Com. And finally, tccausc at gb news. Com. And finally, because we need at gb news. Com. And finally, because we need something to, uh, because we need something to, unltait because we need something to, uh,. Talk about because we need something to, uh, talk about there. Is it uh, to talk about there. Is it initiip uh, to talk about there. Is it Phillip Schofield this Phillip Schofield yield this morning. Phillip schofield yield this morning. The Phillip Schofield yield this morning. The front page morning. This is the front page of morning. This is the front page otpaiiy morning. This is the front page otpaiiyvour morning. This is the front page of daily your chippy of the daily star. Your chippy nccts of the daily star. Your chippy ncctsguitc of the daily star. Your chippy needsquite a of the daily star. Your chippy needs quite a shocking needs you quite a shocking ncatiinc needs you quite a shocking headline that needs you quite a shocking headline that half of our fish ant headline that half of our fish ant cnip headline that half of our fish ant cnip snops headline that half of our fish and chip shops could go bust by 2025 and chip shops could go bust by 2025 as and chip shops could go bust by 2025 as a and chip shops could go bust by 2025 as a result and chip shops could go bust by 2025 as a result of and chip shops could go bust by 2025 as a result of the cost of iiving 2025 as a result of the cost of tiving 2025 as a result of the cost of living crisis. And 2025 as a result of the cost of living crisis. And obviously the rising living crisis. And obviously the rising cost living crisis. And obviously the rising cost ot living crisis. And obviously the rising cost of oil living crisis. And obviously the rising cost of oil and food. Teat. Rising cost of oil and food. Teat. Ant rising cost of oil and food. Yeah, and stick rising cost of oil and food. Yeah, and stick around rising cost of oil and food. Yeah, and stick around because at 845 weve got andrew crook, the president of the National Federation of fish fries, because it is National Fish and chip day today. So this is the call to arms. Your chippy needs. You go and get a butty, go and get a battered sausage, go and get a battered sausage, go and get a battered sausage, go and get a wedge of cod. This is a serious, serious story coming next. But this is also a serious story. The future of our chip shop, british chip shop, the Great British chip shop. Yeah. Apparently, if shop. Yeah. And apparently, if we at shop. Yeah. And apparently, if we at pust shop. Yeah. And apparently, if we all justextra yeah. And apparently, if we all just extra two we all just buy an extra two portions we all just buy an extra two portionsfish we all just buy an extra two portions fish and chips will portions of fish and chips will be rcaiiy portions of fish and chips will be really helping our be really helping out our cnippics. Be really helping out our cnippics. So be really helping out our chippies. So do let us do chippies. So do let us know. Do you chippies. So do let us know. Do you stit chippies. So do let us know. Do you stiiitisn chippies. So do let us know. Do you stillfish and chippies. So do let us know. Do you still fish and chips you still have a fish and chips suppers you still have a fish and chips suppersyou you still have a fish and chips supper7. X do you still have a fish and chips supper . You do it you still have a fish and chips supper . You do it on supper . Do you do it on a tritayc supper . Do you do it on a iritayc po supper . Do you do it on a friday . Do you supper . Do you do it on a friday . Do you like. Do you every friday . Do you like. Do you every iritayc friday . Do you like. Do you every friday . is . 3 rig 25 every friday . Yeah. My kids love it. Its well, hes it. Yes its paul. Well, hes moved on to pie now. More a moved on to pie now. More of a pie. More of a pie, man. Yeah. Beef and onion northern thing, isnt it . Actually so expensive . N. Isnt it . Actually so expensive . To. I isnt it . Actually so expensive . To. I tnow. Isnt it . Actually so expensive . To. I tnow. Its isnt it . Actually so expensive . No, i know. Its like ten, 11, £12. It is. Yeah 10 or £11 for a tisn £12. It is. Yeah 10 or £11 for a tisn ant £12. It is. Yeah 10 or £11 for a fish and chips £12. It is. Yeah 10 or £11 for a fish and chips supper. 177 s 10 or £11 for a fish and chips supper. Now, i mean theres fish and chips supper. Now, i mean theres a fish and chips supper. Now, i mean theres a chip shop right opposite mean theres a chip shop right oppositc tne mean theres a chip shop right opposite the station so when i gettrain opposite the station so when i gettrain at opposite the station so when i gettrain at 11 00 opposite the station so when i get train at 11 00 after get off the train at 11 00 after a snow get off the train at 11 00 after a snow iitc get off the train at 11 00 after a show like this, get off the train at 11 00 after a show like this, i get off the train at 11 00 after a show like this, i smell those cnips a show like this, i smell those cnips ant a show like this, i smell those cnips ant tn a show like this, i smell those chips and im like, oh, that snciis chips and im like, oh, that smellsgood. Chips and im like, oh, that smells good. Dodi fry smells really good. Dodi fry wean. Smells really good. Dodi fry yeahido smells really good. Dodi fry yeah. Dotouch. Smells really good. Dodi fry. Yeah. Dotouch about yeah. So do get in touch about your yeah. So do get in touch about your iocai yeah. So do get in touch about your tocat cnippy. Yeah. So do get in touch about your local chippy. Is it still sonctning your local chippy. Is it still something that your local chippy. Is it still something that you like do . Something that you like to do . A fish something that you like to do . A tisncnips something that you like to do . A fishchips supper . Something that you like to do . A fish chips supper . How much fish and chips supper . How much is at fish and chips supper . How much is at tne fish and chips supper . How much is at the moment . | is it costing you at the moment . Gb is it costing you at the moment . On views is it costing you at the moment . On views at is it costing you at the moment . Gb views at. News is it costing you at the moment . Gb views at news. Com. Okay, gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, icts gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, ictsyou gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, ictsyou up gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, ictsyou up to gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, letsyou up to date gb views at gb news. Com. Okay, lets you up to date with lets bring you up to date with wnat lets bring you up to date with wnat cisc lets bring you up to date with wnat cisc is lets bring you up to date with what else is going on today. Ant what else is going on today. Ant a what else is going on today. Ant a man what else is going on today. And a man arrested what else is going on today. And a man arrested following the deaths off deaths of two youngsters off bournemouth has bournemouth beach has been released investigation. A released under investigation. A 12 Year Old Girl from buckinghamshire 17 buckinghamshire and a 17 year old from southampton died old boy from southampton died after pulled from the sea after being pulled from the sea on wednesday afternoon. Eight others were treated for non life threatening injuries. Others were treated for non life threatening injuries. Almost threatening injuries. Almost 35,000 more patients threatening injuries. Almost 35,000 more patients a 3 3g almost 35,000 more patients a month are waiting 35,000 more patients a month are waiting tongcr 35,000 more patients a month are waiting longer than 35,000 more patients a month are waiting longer than two weeks for waiting longer than two weeks tor a waiting longer than two weeks for a Cancer Hospital appointment. Thats according to iatour. Appointment. Thats according to iatour. Says appointment. Thats according to labour. Says the appointment. Thats according to labour. Says the longer waits no tongcr labour. Says the longer waits can no longer be labour. Says the longer waits can no longer be blamed on the cowo can no longer be blamed on the covid pandemic can no longer be blamed on the covid pandemic backlogs. A government covid pandemic backlogs. A government Spokesman Says the wUs Government Spokesman Says the wws is government Spokesman Says the nhs is recruiting government Spokesman Says the nhs is recruiting a record nurncrt nhs is recruiting a record nurncrt ot nhs is recruiting a Record Number of doctors and nurses and investing number of doctors and nurses and investing an number of doctors and nurses and investing an extra number of doctors and nurses and investing an extra £45. 6 billion into investing an extra £45. 6 billion into ncaitn investing an extra £45. 6 billion into health and investing an extra £45. 6 billion into health and social care. Into health and social care. Ant into health and social care. Ant tritisn into health and social care. And British Airways into health and social care. And British Airways has into health and social care. And British Airways has been fined almost £1 million by the Us Government over claims it failed to pay refunds for cancelled flights during the pandemic. The us transportation pandemic. The Us Transportation Department said it received more than 1200 complaints. British airways has refuted the claims, saying its acted lawfully at all times. Saying its acted lawfully at all times. A saying its acted lawfully at all times. A white house all times. A white house spokesperson all times. A white house spokesperson says e a white house spokesperson says us president joe spokesperson says us president yoc pitcn spokesperson says us president yoc nitcn is spokesperson says us President Joe Biden is fine spokesperson says us President Joe Biden is fine after tripping over a sandbag joe biden is fine after tripping over a sandbag and falling on stage over a sandbag and falling on stage at over a sandbag and falling on stage at a over a sandbag and falling on stage at a Graduation Ceremony at tne stage at a Graduation Ceremony at tnc tis stage at a Graduation Ceremony at tnc us air stage at a Graduation Ceremony at the us air force stage at a Graduation Ceremony at the us air force academy. The at the us air force academy. The 80 at the us air force academy. The so yea at the us air force academy. The so yea ott at the us air force academy. The 80 year old president quickly got tact 80 year old president quickly got pact to 80 year old president quickly got back to his 80 year old president quickly got back to his feet after being ncipct got back to his feet after being ncipct up got back to his feet after being ncipct up ty got back to his feet after being helped up by three people. That was helped up by three people. That rcaiiy helped up by three people. That was really distressing to watch, actuatiy was really distressing to watch, actuaiiy. Was really distressing to watch, actuatiy. Rust was really distressing to watch, actually. Just you was really distressing to watch, actually. Just you think of your actually. Just you think of your own grandfather actually. Just you think of your own grandfather there. You dont want own grandfather there. You dont want to own grandfather there. You dont want to see own grandfather there. You dont want to see anybody fall, but quite want to see anybody fall, but quite so want to see anybody fall, but quite so publicly want to see anybody fall, but quite so publicly with the wonts quite so publicly with the worlds eyes quite so publicly with the worlds eyes on them. Its not very worlds eyes on them. Its not very nice worlds eyes on them. Its not very to worlds eyes on them. Its not very nice to see. Worlds eyes on them. Its not very nice to see. \isi worlds eyes on them. Its not very nice to see. \ s e3is;s s; very nice to see. No, but there has been a pattern. You know, he does seem quite unsteady on his on his feet. Hes falling upstairs onto aircraft , another upstairs onto aircraft, another wobble. Quite often he doesnt know seem to know which side of the stage to exit. A lot of the stage to exit. A lot of people in america are ahead of the run up to the president ial campaign. All talking about his his capacity to govern. Hes an his capacity to govern. Hes an old man. He looks frail. And as you as you exactly said , if that you as you exactly said, if that that was my parents, id be concerned about them. This man is leader the free world. I is leader of the free world. I think we have right to be concerned about him, too. And i think i mean, you would think his be concerned his family would be concerned about for a second about him running for a second term. Imean, about him running for a second term. I mean, if he gets that sccont term. I mean, if he gets that sccont tern. Term. I mean, if he gets that second term, hell i mean, if he gets that second term, hell be an 86 year old second term, hell be an 86 year oit nan second term, hell be an 86 year oit ant second term, hell be an 86 year old man. Andnot second term, hell be an 86 year old man. And not an easy old man. And its not an easy tot. Old man. And its not an easy tot. Its old man. And its not an easy job. Its probably old man. And its not an easy job. Its probably one the job. Its probably one of the nartcst job. Its probably one of the nartcstin job. Its probably one of the hardest in world. Hardest jobs in the world. I neanlnot hardest jobs in the world. I mean,. Not the hardest jobs in the world. I mean,. Not the hardest, hardest jobs in the world. I mean, not the hardest, youd mean, if not the hardest, youd have to say that 86 year old running let alone running any business. Let alone the free country of the west. I think its too old. Thats just my opinion. Let us know what you think out there. Yeah. Gb views at ct think out there. Yeah. Gb views at on news think out there. Yeah. Gb views at gb news. Com. Think out there. Yeah. Gb views at gb news. Com. But. 3is;sis; yeah. Gb views at gb news. Com. But do stay witn at gb news. Com. But do stay witn us at gb news. Com. But do stay with us. Still at gb news. Com. But do stay with us. Still lots at gb news. Com. But do stay with us. Still lots more to tc with us. Still lots more to come. Be discussing come. Well be discussing initiip come. Well be discussing Phillip Schofield first time spcating Phillip Schofield first time spcatingnis Phillip Schofield first time speaking his affair speaking out since his affair tccanc speaking out since his affairi speaking out since his affair tccacas we go became Public Knowledge as we go tnrougn became Public Knowledge as we go tnrougnpapcrs became Public Knowledge as we go through papers andy through the papers with andy ioncs through the papers with andy jonespearsall. Jones and Claire Pearsall. Toure jones and Claire Pearsall. Youre watching gb news, tritains youre watching gb news, britains news youre watching gb news, britains news. Channel welcome i channel welcome back. |cnannet welcome back. You |cnannet welcome back. You are watching welcome back. You are watching ant welcome back. You are watching ant iistcning welcome back. You are watching and listening to welcome back. You are watching and listening to breakfast with martin and listening to breakfast with martin ant and listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. 3i and listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. 3 martin and ellie. And lets take a look at todays front pages now. And first up, the sun carries the first interview with Phillip Schofield since his resignation from itvs this morning last friday. Loads of explosive revelations in that one us. The times reports that the government one us. The times reports that the government is the times reports that the government is going to court after the government is going to court attcr tctying the government is going to court after defying the the government is going to court after defying the covid inquiry tcatiinc after defying the covid inquiry tcatiinc. After defying the covid inquiry deadline. And after defying the covid inquiry deadline. And the after defying the covid inquiry deadline. 3 g after defying the covid inquiry deadline. 3 g deadline. And the telegraph says a restored pleasure cruiser is at the centre of the investigation into deaths of two young people in the water off bournemouth. The daily express leads with the biggest house price fall. Leads with the biggest house price fall. In 14 years and the big story of the day, the daily star reports that half of britains fish and chip shops could go bust by 2025. Your chippy needs you, they say. Lord kitchener there in the fish and chip kitchen. Well, its time to chip kitchen. Well, its time to go tnrougn chip kitchen. Well, its time to go tnrougn tne chip kitchen. Well, its time to go through the papers l3 s 3 well, its time to go through the papers now. And ioining go through the papers now. And toining us go through the papers now. And toining us tnis go through the papers now. And joining us this morning is torrncr joining us this morning is former conservative advisor ciairc former conservative advisor Claire Pearsall former conservative advisor Claire Pearsall and writer and iournaiist Claire Pearsall and writer and journalist andy Claire Pearsall and writer and journalist andy jones. Good morning journalist andy jones. Good morning to journalist andy jones. Good morning to you journalist andy jones. Good morning to you both. Really, morning to you both. Really, rcaiiy morning to you both. Really, rcatty goot morning to you both. Really, rcatty goot to morning to you both. Really, really good to see you this morning really good to see you this morning. Really good to see you this morning. Andy, really good to see you this morning. Andy, lets start with morning. Andy, lets start with you, morning. Andy, lets start with you. Stati morning. Andy, lets start with you. Snaii wet morning. Andy, lets start with you, shall we . And this huge ccusiivc you, shall we . And this huge exclusive interview. Philip scnoticit exclusive interview. Philip schofield with exclusive interview. Philip schofield with the sun. He says ncs schofield with the sun. He says ncs trotcn schofield with the sun. He says hes broken and schofield with the sun. He says hes broken and ashamed, but not a groomer. Absolutely 3 g a groomer. Absolutely this goes across seven, eight, nine pages in the sun. Why not . If youve got in the sun. Why not . If youve got tne in the sun. Why not . If youve got tnc access 3 3 why not . If youve got the access, everything from sort got the access, everything from sort ot got the access, everything from sort ot now got the access, everything from sort of how much got the access, everything from sort of how much southern contort sort of how much southern contort ncs sort of how much Southern Comfort hes drinking to how nucn comfort hes drinking to how rnucn ncs comfort hes drinking to how much hes vaping, the key tctaiis much hes vaping, the key tctaiis ot much hes vaping, the key details ofstory much hes vaping, the key details of story and i think details of the story and i think peopte details of the story and i think peoptenovct details of the story and i think peoplemoved on details of the story and i think people moved on from the people have moved on from the tact people have moved on from the tactnovct people have moved on from the factmoved on, people have moved on from the factmoved on, but people have moved on from the fact moved on, but they fact that not moved on, but they untcrstant fact that not moved on, but they understand that fact that not moved on, but they understand that hes this understand that hes had this attai understand that hes had this attairvcry understand that hes had this affair very young affair with this very young individual. Affair with this very young individual. Now like, well, individual. Now its like, well, wnen individual. Now its like, well, wncn wow individual. Now its like, well, when how did. Individual. Now its like, well,| when how did you when did it start . How did you gettit when did it start . How did you gettit tnis when did it start . How did you get did this individual get how did this individual arrive scti get how did this individuall anvcsc t. Get how did this individual. Arrive set , as arrive on this morning set, as we arrive on this morning set, as wcrorn t arrive on this morning set, asi we from phillip we understand it, from phillip scnoticit we understand it, from Phillip Schofield they. Schofield own account, they tirst schofield own account, they tinttnis schofield own account, they firstthis young l schofield own account, they. Firstthis young man first met when this young man wascit. First met when this young man wascit. Inc first met when this young man was old. The affair was 15 years old. The affair itscit was 15 years old. The affair itself didnt was 15 years old. The affair itself didnt start until until tne itself didnt start until until the gentleman itself didnt start until until the gentleman was 20. See, when mr the gentleman was 20. See, when air scnoticit the gentleman was 20. See, when mr schofield was the gentleman was 20. See, when mr schofield was in the gentleman was 20. See, when mr schofield was in his 50s, i tnis mr schofield was in his 50s, i assume this started with a incitcnt assume this started with a incitcnt in assume this started with a incident in a assume this started with a incident in a dressing room in sow. Incident in a dressing room in sow. I incident in a dressing room in 2017. I assume incident in a dressing room in 2017. I assume it incident in a dressing room in 2017. I assume it was just a tiss 2017. I assume it was just a tiss in 2017. I assume it was just a tiss in tne 2017. I assume it was just a kiss in the dressing room and wno kiss in the dressing room and wno tnowsc kiss in the dressing room and who knows . And kiss in the dressing room and who knows . And schofield talks atout who knows . And schofield talks atout at who knows . And schofield talks atout at tnis who knows . And schofield talks about at this moment where this this about at this moment where this tnis startct. About at this moment where this this started. They about at this moment where this this started. They began with a tricntstip this started. They began with a tricntsnip. A this started. They began with a friendship, a working relationship , deep conversations relationship, deep conversations on sociai relationship, deep conversations on social media. Relationship, deep conversations on social media. When this young intivituai on social media. When this young individual was on social media. When this young individual was 15, on social media. When this young individual was 15, they were introtucct individual was 15, they were introduced by individual was 15, they were introduced by mutual friend. Tnis introduced by mutual friend. Inis is introduced by mutual friend. Inis to year introduced by mutual friend. This 15 year old introduced by mutual friend. This 15 year old at the time wantct this 15 year old at the time wantct to this 15 year old at the time wanted to work this 15 year old at the time wanted to work in tv. Schofield they wanted to work in tv. Schofield incy toiiowct wanted to work in tv. Schofield they followed each other on sociai they followed each other on social media. They followed each other on social media. They developed they followed each other on sociirelationship. Zy developed they followed each other on sociirelationship. Zy dtheniped they followed each other on sociirelationship. 3y dthen began this relationship. He then began startct this relationship. He then began started working this relationship. He then began started working at this morning this relationship. He then began startetheresng at this morning this relationship. He then began startetheres thist this morning this relationship. He then began startetheres this case morning this relationship. He then began startetheres this case phillipig 2017. Theres this case phillip scnoticit 2017. Theres this case Phillip Schofield says 2017. Theres this case Phillip Schofield says he was really struggting schofield says he was really struggling with schofield says he was really struggling with his sexuality at theobviously, struggling with his sexuality at the obviously, came the time. Obviously, he came out gayctcctcra the time. Obviously, he came out gayctcctcra. The time. Obviously, he came out gay etcetera , etcetera. Gay on tv, etcetera, etcetera. Tut. Gay on tv, etcetera, etcetera. But. Schofield gay on tv, etcetera, etcetera. But. Schofield absolutely underlines but. Schofield absolutely underlines that this was not grooming underlines that this was not grooning. Underlines that this was not grooning. It underlines that this was not grooming , it didnt anything grooming, it didnt anything nappcn grooming, it didnt anything nappcn wnic grooming, it didnt anything happen while underage, happen while he was underage, ctcctcra happen while he was underage, etcetera, and happen while he was underage, etcetera,and if happen while he was underage, etcetera,and if i etcetera, etcetera. And if i scutt etcetera, etcetera. And if i could interrupt there, could just interrupt you there, just a clip to show just so we have a clip to show you right now, just released schofield, who sat down with the bbc hes had to bbc and heres what hes had to say. Was a totally innocent say. It was a totally innocent picture, a totally innocent twitter follow of which i follow 11,400 people and then it was a completely innocent , backwards completely innocent, backwards and forwards over a period of time about a job, about careers. You know, i mean, you do that wnat. You know, i mean, you do that wnat wnats. You know, i mean, you do that what whats wrong you know, i mean, you do that what whats wrong with that . Wnats what whats wrong with that . Was wrong what whats wrong with that . Whats wrong with talking to someone . No whats wrong with talking to someone . No matter , you know, someone . No matter, you know, wnat someone . No matter, you know, wnat age someone . No matter, you know, wnat agc tney someone . No matter, you know, what age they are . Someone . No matter, you know, what age they are . Does that tnat what age they are . Does that tnat it what age they are . Does that mean that if you what age they are . Does that mean that if you are if youre toiiowing mean that if you are if youre following anyone mean that if you are if youre following anyone on twitter that you atsotutciy following anyone on twitter that you absolutely dont talk to anytoty you absolutely dont talk to anytoty cisc you absolutely dont talk to anybody else or you absolutely dont talk to anybody else or you dont give atviccc anybody else or you dont give atviccc so anybody else or you dont give atviccc so i anybody else or you dont give advice . So i disagree this advice . So i disagree with this surnrnaton advice . So i disagree with this summation that advice . So i disagree with this summation that you just gave tccausc summation that you just gave because that summation that you just gave because that does paint a very grave because that does paint a very gravc picture because that does paint a very gravc picturc. Because that does paint a very grave picture. In because that does paint a very grave picture. 3 l3 because that does paint a very grave picture. 3 grave picture. In which case, why do you say it was unwise . Because youre clearly sensitive to the power differential and youre clearly mindful of the dangers of abuse of power. The brief communications 3g the brief communications backwards and brief communications backwards ant torwarts brief communications backwards ant torwarts up brief communications backwards and forwards up to the point tnat and forwards up to the point tnat nc and forwards up to the point that he came and forwards up to the point that he came to and forwards up to the point that he came to work on this morning that he came to work on this morning. That he came to work on this morning. I that he came to work on this morning, i think that he came to work on this morning, i think was that he came to work on this morning , i think was just chat. Morning, i think was just chat. Gm. Morning, i think was just chat. Tin. Wnat morning, i think was just chat. Tin. Wnat was morning, i think was just chat. Um, what was unwise was the fact tnat um, what was unwise was the fact tnat it um, what was unwise was the fact tnat it nappcnct um, what was unwise was the fact that it happened and that was a very that it happened and that was a very. That it happened and that was a very. Very that it happened and that was a very. Vcry grave that it happened and that was a very , very grave error. Now it very, very grave error. Now it was consensual, very, very grave error. Now it was consensual, but it was my tautt was consensual, but it was my tauit. Was consensual, but it was my tauit. Otay. Was consensual, but it was my fault. Okay, thats was consensual, but it was my fault. 1 fault. Okay, thats Phillip Schofield sitting down with the bbcs amol rajan. Clare, lets bnng bbcs amol rajan. Clare, lets bring you in at this point. How do you react to that clip that weve just watched . Its a very good imitation weve just watched . Its a very good imitation of weve just watched . Its a very good imitation of being s 7 its a very good imitation of being sorry. It good imitation of being sorry. It is good imitation of being sorry. It is iooting good imitation of being sorry. It is looking to good imitation of being sorry. It is looking to save his career. Tc it is looking to save his career. We is it is looking to save his career. We is now it is looking to save his career. We is on it is looking to save his career. He is now on damage limitation notc. He is now on damage limitation notc ant. He is now on damage limitation mode and there. He is now on damage limitation mode and there is. He is now on damage limitation mode and there is so much that nas mode and there is so much that nas coc mode and there is so much that nas out. Mode and there is so much that has come out. Weve seen some catty has come out. Weve seen some rcatty cvptosivc has come out. Weve seen some really explosive interviews rcccntiy really explosive interviews recently with really explosive interviews recently with Eamonn Holmes and tncn recently with Eamonn Holmes and tncn carot recently with Eamonn Holmes and then Carol Mcgiffin recently with Eamonn Holmes and then Carol Mcgiffin piece of tast then Carol Mcgiffin piece of iast nignt then Carol Mcgiffin piece of last night that then Carol Mcgiffin piece of last night that i then Carol Mcgiffin piece of last night that i think phillip scnoticit last night that i think Phillip Schofield is last night that i think Phillip Schofield is really now on the pact schofield is really now on the pact toot schofield is really now on the back foot and schofield is really now on the back foot and yes, there is no ittcgatity back foot and yes, there is no illegality motty back foot and yes, there is no illegality motty in all of this. It illegality motty in all of this. It is illegality motty in all of this. It is very illegality motty in all of this. It is very unwise, illegality motty in all of this. It is very unwise, as he said. Out it is very unwise, as he said. Tut now it is very unwise, as he said. Tut now you it is very unwise, as he said. But how you can it is very unwise, as he said. But how you can change this nanatvc but how you can change this naratvc i but how you can change this narrative, i think but how you can change this narrative, i think is really important. Narrative, i think is really important. I narrative, i think is really important. I dont think hes going important. I dont think hes going to important. I dont think hes going to ave important. I dont think hes going to save his career in any way. Going to save his career in any way. Snapc going to save his career in any way. Snapc or going to save his career in any way, shape or form. I dont tnint way, shape or form. I dont tnint tnat way, shape or form. I dont think that at way, shape or form. I dont think that at the program this morning think that at the program this morning witt think that at the program this morning will continue in its curcnt morning will continue in its curcnt torn morning will continue in its current form either. I dont tnint current form either. I dont tnint you current form either. I dont think you can. Current form either. I dont think you can. I current form either. I dont think you can. I think that the toxic think you can. I think that the toxic natuc think you can. I think that the toxic nature of think you can. I think that the toxic nature of that program and wnat toxic nature of that program and wnat nas toxic nature of that program and what has happened, its too big. Teat. What has happened, its too big. Teat. One what has happened, its too big. Yeah. One thing what has happened, its too big. Yeah. One thing that what has happened, its too big 313 3 . Yeah. One thing that all sits a little bit uneasy with me is this absolutely reads like a carbon copy example of copy approval piece. Schofield went to the sun, offered the lawyers did, offered the client up very, very flattering piece in terms of telling his point of view. No of telling his point of view. No difficult questions whatsoever. Difficult questions whatsoever. And he concludes with this continues that people know theres not a human being behind this. They want me to die. Is that the end game . So echoes of the Caroline Flack stuff, i wouldnt i wonder how much media manipulation is going on here. Well, there will be a lot Phillip Schofield has been in the business for a very long time. He knows how these things wort. Time. He knows how these things wort. Nc time. He knows how these things wort. Ac nas time. He knows how these things work. He has seen time. He knows how these things work. He has seen it. E he knows how these things work. He has seen it. He has seen work. He has seen it. He has been part work. He has seen it. He has been partthis work. He has seen it. He has been part this industry for been part of this industry for a very been part of this industry for a verytine. Been part of this industry for a verytine. So been part of this industry for a verytime. So none been part of this industry for a very time. So none of this very long time. So none of this is a very long time. So none of this is a surprise very long time. So none of this is a surprise are very long time. So none of this is a surprise are always is a surprise and you are always going is a surprise and you are always going to is a surprise and you are always going to coonc is a surprise and you are always going to choose an is a surprise and you are always going to choose an outlet which is going going to choose an outlet which is going to going to choose an outlet which is going to treat going to choose an outlet which is going to treatin going to choose an outlet which is going to treat in the is going to treat you in the nicest is going to treat you in the nicest possible is going to treat you in the nicest possible way. So theyll is going to treat you in the nicea possible way. So theyll is going to treat you in the nicea few sible way. So theyll is going to treat you in the nicea few questions so theyll is going to treat you in the nicea few questions ini theyll is going to treat you in the nicea few questions in which. 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The piece to look and the sun wa its not ng vehicle for that. The piece to look and the sun wa its not goingiicle for that. The piece to look and the sun wa its not going to e for that. The piece to look and the sun wa its not going to releaseat. The piece to look and the sun wa its not going to release any so its not going to release any tctaii so its not going to release any more detail and so its not going to release any more detail and its up to more detail and its now up to iiv more detail and its now up to iivlto more detail and its now up to iivlto wnat more detail and its now up to itvto what they more detail and its now up to itv to what they actually itv as to what they actually tcat itv as to what they actually tcai witn. Itv as to what they actually deal with. But itv as to what they actually deal with. But i itv as to what they actually deal with. But i think the putiic deal with. But i think the public probably made its public has probably made its nint public has probably made its nint up public has probably made its nint up ant public has probably made its mind up and now want the matter ciosct on. Mind up and now want the matter ciosct on. Anty mind up and now want the matter closed on. Andy what closed and moved on. Andy what do closed and moved on. Andy what toot closed and moved on. Andy what toot tnisc closed and moved on. Andy what doof this . Imean,. Closed and moved on. Andy whati doof this . Imean, in do you think of this . I mean, in tnat do you think of this . I mean, in tnattnat do you think of this . I mean, in that that we just watched that clip that we just watched there, Phillip Schofield describes affair as a grave describes the affair as a grave error. Biggest, sorriest error. And the biggest, sorriest secret, most affairs usually are, arent they . Lets be honest. The are, arent they . Lets be honest. 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It morning, as he does do, lots of lightitems, it does. Light and fluffy items, it does do light and fluffy items, it does toatuit light and fluffy items, it does doadult stuff light and fluffy items, it does doadult stuff as light and fluffy items, it does do adult stuff as well do a lot of adult stuff as well ant do a lot of adult stuff as well ant very do a lot of adult stuff as well and very serious do a lot of adult stuff as well and very serious stories. And my gucstion and very serious stories. And my gucstion witt and very serious stories. And my question will be, and very serious stories. And my question will be, how did this young question will be, how did this young gentleman job air young gentleman get a job on air atprccocious young gentleman get a job on air atprecocious age . Young gentleman get a job on air at precocious age . S is;i13 at such a precocious age . Yeah, its at such a precocious age . Yeah, itsimportant at such a precocious age . Yeah, itsimportant as at such a precocious age . Yeah, its important as an its good. Important as an editor whos had many, many, many work experience, people working for me over the years, yeah, for yeah, wed always go for somebody to somebody whod been to university enough to university who was old enough to be environment be trusted, an environment where, there was where, you know, there was a sensitive comment. S yeah, sensitive comment. S and yeah, it does seem to be unusual. Anyway this ones going to run and run and run. Claire shall we get back to a bit of politics . Yeah, back to your home turf here, of course. Covid inquiry rattling on this extraordinary situation of government situation of the Government Action against the baroness inquiry. Its quite something wnen inquiry. Its quite something wncn tnc 3 s. go its quite something when the government launches icgai when the government launches tcgai action when the government launches legal action over when the government launches legal action over over the inguiry legal action over over the inguiry tnat legal action over over the inquiry that they had asked for. So inquiry that they had asked for. So you inquiry that they had asked for. So you start inquiry that they had asked for. So you start from inquiry that they had asked for. So you start from a point of tnis so you start from a point of tits is so you start from a point of this is completely crazy and now it coc this is completely crazy and now it town this is completely crazy and now it comes down to this is completely crazy and now it comes down to who is outmanoeuvring who, because it rcaiiy outmanoeuvring who, because it rcaiiy ccs outmanoeuvring who, because it rcatty to outmanoeuvring who, because it really seems to me outmanoeuvring who, because it really seems to me as if boris ionnson really seems to me as if boris ionnson is really seems to me as if Boris Johnson is outmanoeuvred ing itisni johnson is outmanoeuvred ing itisni sunat johnson is outmanoeuvred ing rishi sunak on johnson is outmanoeuvred ing rishi sunak on every single icvci. Rishi sunak on every single icvci. It rishi sunak on every single level. It all rishi sunak on every single level. It all seems a bit simple tnat level. It all seems a bit simple tnat torts level. It all seems a bit simple that Boris Johnson level. It all seems a bit simple that Boris Johnson wasnt going to nant that Boris Johnson wasnt going to nant it that Boris Johnson wasnt going to hand it over. That Boris Johnson wasnt going to hand it over. And then you tint to hand it over. And then you tint out to hand it over. And then you find out that to hand it over. And then you find out that he to hand it over. And then you find out that he had and handed it to find out that he had and handed it to itisni find out that he had and handed it to rishi sunak find out that he had and handed it to rishi sunak or the cabinet ctticc it to rishi sunak or the Cabinet Office themselves it to rishi sunak or the Cabinet Office themselves for them to mate office themselves for them to mate tnc office themselves for them to make the decision. So boris ionnson make the decision. So Boris Johnson passes make the decision. So Boris Johnson passes his diaries , his johnson passes his diaries, his tocuncnts johnson passes his diaries, his documents, the johnson passes his diaries, his documents, the whatsapps from may documents, the whatsapps from may zozi documents, the whatsapps from may zozi ove documents, the whatsapps from may 2021 over to documents, the whatsapps from may 2021 over to the cabinet ptticc may 2021 over to the cabinet ctticc ant may 2021 over to the Cabinet Office and said, may 2021 over to the Cabinet Office and said, please disclose tnese office and said, please disclose tncsc to office and said, please disclose tncsc to tnc office and said, please disclose these to the inquiry. Is a part of these to the inquiry. Is a part at gig, these to the inquiry. Is a part at that to these to the inquiry. Is a part of that, do you think . Clever politics is basically boris handung politics is basically boris handling the hospital tackle to rishi . Yeah, because a lot of people out there already think that rishi has stabbed boris in the back and brought him down when he became the leader. Is this okay, are you this saying again, okay, are you going up for another going to set me up for another pratfall is exactly that. By making this the s by making this the governments proticn making this the governments problem, boris making this the governments problem, Boris Johnson can stand tnere problem, Boris Johnson can stand tncrc ant problem, Boris Johnson can stand tncrc ant say. Problem, Boris Johnson can stand tncrc ant say. I problem, Boris Johnson can stand there and say, i have done what i there and say, i have done what i sait there and say, i have done what i sait i there and say, i have done what i sait i was there and say, i have done what i said i was going there and say, i have done what i said i was going to do. My nants i said i was going to do. My nants arc i said i was going to do. My hands are clean. I said i was going to do. My hands are clean. Doesnt matter wnat hands are clean. Doesnt matter whatinformation hands are clean. Doesnt matter what information is. Does what the information is. It does ioot what the information is. It does toot as what the information is. It does toot anow what the information is. It does look asnow it what the information is. It does look asnow it is what the information is. It does look as now it is the look as though now it is the cabinet look as though now it is the Cabinet Office look as though now it is the Cabinet Office and rishi sunak noiting Cabinet Office and rishi sunak nottinglup. Cabinet office and rishi sunak holding. Up. Boris Cabinet Office and rishi sunak holding up. Boris johnson holding it up. So Boris Johnson is very holding it up. So Boris Johnson is very ccvcir holding it up. So Boris Johnson is very clever politically. We is very clever politically. We never should is very clever politically. We never should underestimate quite how never should underestimate quite now wett never should underestimate quite now wcii nc never should underestimate quite how well he can never should underestimate quite how well he can manipulate this situation. How well he can manipulate this situation. So how well he can manipulate this situation. So he how well he can manipulate this situation. So he comes out iooting situation. So he comes out looking better situation. So he comes out looking better than anybody cisc. Looking better than anybody cisc. Wett looking better than anybody else. Well, of looking better than anybody else. Well, of course , a e a lot else. Well, of course, a e a lot of else. Well, of course, a e a lot ot peopte else. Well, of course, a e a lot ot pcoptc on else. Well, of course, a e a lot of people on the else. Well, of course, a e a lot of people on the other side of tnc of people on the other side of tnetenc of people on the other side of the fence, though, are the political fence, though, are saying the political fence, though, are saying complete i saying this is the complete coverits saying this is the complete coverits a saying this is the complete coverits a disgrace. Cover up. Its a disgrace that theyre keeping stuff back from inquiry. If were going to make a decision, it should be full and access and we should have access to everything. Absolutely. Angela itayncr everything. Absolutely. Angela itayncrtnat everything. Absolutely. Angela raynerthat point everything. Absolutely. Angela raynerthat point for. Rayner making that point for iatour rayner making that point for iatour tnat rayner making that point for labour thatis labour that this is a distraction labour that this is a distraction all distraction from basically all of distraction from basically all otinportant distraction from basically all of important things of the other important things tnat of the other important things tnat we of the other important things tnat wc ncct of the other important things that we need to of the other important things that we need to be talking about cost that we need to be talking about cost ot that we need to be talking about cost ot iiving that we need to be talking about cost of living, energy crisis, purity cost of living, energy crisis, purity ot cost of living, energy crisis, purity ot our cost of living, energy crisis, purity of our waterways, any otncr purity of our waterways, any ottertron purity of our waterways, any other from crime, nhs, other thing from crime, nhs, ctcctcra other thing from crime, nhs, etcetera, etcetera. The thing i wouit etcetera, etcetera. The thing i wouit say etcetera, etcetera. The thing i would sayalso etcetera, etcetera. The thing i would say also theres so would say is also theres so many would say is also theres so manygoing would say is also theres so manygoing onl would say is also theres so many going on that many inquiries going on that meet many inquiries going on that bleed other. Many inquiries going on that bleed other. This is bleed into each other. This is tnc bleed into each other. This is tneinguiry. Bleed into each other. This is theinquiry. This bleed into each other. This is the inquiry. This is the covid inquiry. This is necessarily the covid inquiry. This is necessarily partygate necessarily the partygate inguiry necessarily the partygate inquiry which necessarily the partygate inquiry which sort bleed into inquiry which sort of bleed into cact inquiry which sort of bleed into cacn otncr. Inquiry which sort of bleed into each other. Will inquiry which sort of bleed into each other. Will we be finding out wny each other. Will we be finding out why specifically . Boris ionnson out why specifically . Boris johnson five out why specifically . Boris johnson five cobra johnson missed five cobra ncctings johnson missed five cobra meetings at johnson missed five cobra meetings at the start of the pantcnic meetings at the start of the pandemic describing pandemic and was describing it as tit pandemic and was describing it as tit ot pandemic and was describing it as tit ot tiu pandemic and was describing it as bit of flu, even. As basically a bit of flu, even tnougn as basically a bit of flu, even tnougnit as basically a bit of flu, even thoughit was as basically a bit of flu, even though it was killing lots though when it was killing lots and though when it was killing lots antpeopte though when it was killing lots antpeopicanti and lots of people in italy and tncn and lots of people in italy and tncn now and lots of people in italy and tncn nowwe and lots of people in italy and then howwe then and lots of people in italy and then how we then go from then how did we then go from tnere then how did we then go from tncrc to then how did we then go from there to throwing then how did we then go from there to throwing billions arount there to throwing billions around on anything from wigntingaic around on anything from nightingale hospitals to contracts nightingale hospitals to contracts for nightingale hospitals to contracts for mates of mates , of contracts for mates of mates, of natcs contracts for mates of mates, of natcs ant contracts for mates of mates, of natcs ant att contracts for mates of mates, of mates and all this contracts for mates of mates, of mates and all this sort of pings mates and all this sort of tningc tow mates and all this sort of thing . How was the money spent . Why thing . How was the money spent . Wny ant thing . How was the money spent . Wny ant wno thing . How was the money spent . Wny ant wno got thing . How was the money spent . Why and who got what . All of why and who got what . And all of tncsc why and who got what . And all of tncsctnings why and who got what . And all of tncsctnings. Why and who got what . And all of thesethings. Ithink these other things. I think its going these other things. I think its goingtc these other things. I think its goingltcvcry going to be very, very interesting going to be very, very interesting and run and run. Teat. Interesting and run and run. Teat. Ant interesting and run and run. Yeah. And the interesting and run and run. Yeah. And the issue interesting and run and run. Yeah. And the issue of interesting and run and run. Yeah. And the issue of Boris Johnsons old phone is a very odd isnt johnsons old phone is a very odd isnt it . Claire i odd one, isnt it . Claire i mean, the things that s i e. 7 is; i mean, the things that phone has sait. Mean, the things that phone has sait. Wett mean, the things that phone has said, well, hes mean, the things that phone has said, well, hes only handed mean, the things that phone has said,the. L, hes only handed mean, the things that phone has said,the. L, hes onland nded mean, the things that phone has said,the. L, hes onland content over the messages and content tron over the messages and content tron attcr over the messages and content from after april over the messages and content from after april 2021. Yeah. So tnis from after april 2021. Yeah. So tits is from after april 2021. Yeah. So tits is tnc from after april 2021. Yeah. So this is the phone from after april 2021. Yeah. So this is the phone that he got in troutic this is the phone that he got in troutic witn this is the phone that he got in trouble with before because apparcntty trouble with before because apparently this trouble with before because apparently this mobile phone nurncrt apparently this mobile phone nurncrt it apparently this mobile phone number, it was apparently this mobile phone number, it was revealed when he princ number, it was revealed when he was Prime Minister number, it was revealed when he was Prime Minister that this pnonc was Prime Minister that this phone number was Prime Minister that this phone number had been available on tnc phone number had been available on the internet phone number had been available on the internet for phone number had been available on the internet for 15 years. So itussia on the internet for 15 years. So russiachina on the internet for 15 years. So russiachina have on the internet for 15 years. So russia china have probably russia and china have probably seen tnisl seen everything thats on this pnonc ycan. | seen everything thats on this. Pnonc ycan. So. Phone anyway. Yeah, yeah. So. So, phone anyway. Yeah, yeah. So. Sntow phone anyway. Yeah, yeah. So. So,how important phone anyway. Yeah, yeah. So. So,how important is. So, claire, how important is this . Because you could say that there is a justifiable National Security if this phone has security issue if this phone has been hacked. And indeed, boris been hacked. And indeed, boris maintains been told never maintains hes been told never to even switch phone on by to even switch his phone on by the office. I to even switch his phone on by the office. I think the the home office. I think the security the home office. I think the Security Services the home office. I think the Security Services need o l ; i think the Security Services need to have a say Security Services need to have a say in Security Services need to have a say in at Security Services need to have a say in at ot Security Services need to have a say in all of this Security Services need to have a say in all of this because if it is suct say in all of this because if it is sucn a say in all of this because if it is such a security say in all of this because if it is such a Security Risk, then turning is such a Security Risk, then turning it is such a Security Risk, then turning it back is such a Security Risk, then turning it back on leads to nacting. Turning it back on leads to hacking, leads turning it back on leads to hacking, leads to information coming hacking, leads to information coming out hacking, leads to information coming out left, hacking, leads to information coming out left, right and centre coming out left, right and centre. However, when its on wnatsapp. Centre. However, when its on wnatsapp. Tnat centre. However, when its on whatsapp, that surely is not rcaiiy whatsapp, that surely is not really attached whatsapp, that surely is not really attached to the phone. Its really attached to the phone. Its tact really attached to the phone. Its tact up really attached to the phone. Its back up on really attached to the phone. Its back up on a really attached to the phone. Its back up on a on a server. So its back up on a on a server. So in its back up on a on a server. So in uc its back up on a on a server. So im sure there its back up on a on a server. So im sure there is a way of getting so im sure there is a way of getting tnosc so im sure there is a way of getting those messages back. But att getting those messages back. But at a getting those messages back. But at a pit getting those messages back. But were all a bit of getting those messages back. But were all a bit of a getting those messages back. But were all a bit of a fan of the tisappcaring were all a bit of a fan of the disappearing message. So when youiooting disappearing message. So when youiooting at disappearing message. So when you looking at whatsapp you start looking at whatsapp conversations you start looking at whatsapp conversations in you start looking at whatsapp conversations in groups, if sonctoty conversations in groups, if somebody disappearing somebody has disappearing messages turned on a conversation messages turned on a conversation isnt complete. So you conversation isnt complete. So you can conversation isnt complete. So you tint conversation isnt complete. So you can find that conversation isnt complete. So you can find that therell be gaps you can find that therell be gaps in you can find that therell be gaps in it you can find that therell be gaps in it ant you can find that therell be gaps in it and things may have seen gaps in it and things may have been deleted gaps in it and things may have been deleted. Gaps in it and things may have been deleted. So gaps in it and things may have been deleted. So yes, its been deleted. So yes, its a security been deleted. So yes, its a Security Risk been deleted. So yes, its a Security Risk. Been deleted. So yes, its a Security Risk. I been deleted. So yes, its a Security Risk. I do think Security Risk. I do think tncrcs Security Risk. I do think tncrcs a Security Risk. I do think theres a way Security Risk. I do think theres a way around it, but you ncct theres a way around it, but you ncct tnc theres a way around it, but you need the security theres a way around it, but you need the Security Services to atvisc need the Security Services to atvisc us need the Security Services to advise us properly as to how we avoit advise us properly as to how we avoit any advise us properly as to how we can avoid any any advise us properly as to how we can avoid any any leaks going out. Can avoid any any leaks going out. So can avoid any any leaks going out. So interesting. Can avoid any any leaks going out. 3g 1. Out. So interesting. You mentioned those disappearing messages, did see on messages, because i did see on twitter this week that a number of switched on of mps have switched on disappearing week disappearing messages. This week in response to obviously what were seeing now. And the developments in the covid inquiry. You developments in the covid inquiry. You cant blame them, inquiry. You cant blame them, tnougn inquiry. You cant blame them, tnougn. Can inquiry. You cant blame them, though, can you . Inquiry. You cant blame them, though, can you . I 3 s. Q you cant blame them, though, can you . I mean, the tact though, can you . I mean, the tact ot though, can you . I mean, the tact ot tnc though, can you . I mean, the fact of the matter though, can you . I mean, the fact of the matter is, claire ant fact of the matter is, claire ant anty fact of the matter is, claire ant anty is fact of the matter is, claire and andy is that weve seen so ottcn and andy is that weve seen so ottcn tnat and andy is that weve seen so often that these and andy is that weve seen so often that these messages have icatct often that these messages have icatct via often that these messages have leaked via journalists like isatci leaked via journalists like isabel via. Leaked via journalists like. Isabel via civil Isabel Oakeshott or via Civil Servants to Isabel Oakeshott or via Civil Servants to be. Isabel oakeshott or via civil| servants to be a Isabel Oakeshott or via Civil Servants to be a part servants whod want to be a part of servants whod want to be a part ot tnis. Servants whod want to be a part ot tnis. Ant servants whod want to be a part ot tnis. Ant is servants whod want to be a part of this. And is it servants whod want to be a part of this. And is it interesting now tccni of this. And is it interesting now tccn vcry. How somebody whos been very, very how somebody whos been very, very quiet how somebody whos been very, very guict is how somebody whos been very, very quiet is Dominic Cummings tccausc very quiet is Dominic Cummings because dominic very quiet is Dominic Cummings because Dominic Cummings was on tnese because Dominic Cummings was on tncsc groups because Dominic Cummings was on tncsc groups ant because Dominic Cummings was on these groups and youre not tciiing these groups and youre not tciiingtnat these groups and youre not telling that werent these groups and youre not. Tellingthatwerent a telling me that there werent a tcw telling me that there werent a fewexchanges telling me that there werent a few exchanges between few fruity exchanges between cunnings few fruity exchanges between cunnings ct few fruity exchanges between cummings et al few fruity exchanges between cummings et al and hes been uncharacteristically. Uncharacteristically quiet. Has he tas uncharacteristically quiet. Has he has normally uncharacteristically quiet. Has he has normally , uncharacteristically quiet. Has he has normally , this uncharacteristically quiet. Has he has normally , this would be he has normally, this would be out there on his blog, his substack. He would be putting it all across twitter that the Prime Minister, the former Prime Minister was wrong and these things that happened at the time. But he has been silent. I would suggest there are a lot of people who will be concerned. But i think it brings into question whether this remit over whatsapps is the same as government emails and memos phone calls, all of which are recorded. I think we need to understand whether private communications via a messaging App Communications via a messaging app constitute government business and whether they should be handed over. I think that needs to be clarified for everybodys sake and we all know where we are and it will go to it will solve any problems in the future. So any future scandals that happen through whatsapp or through twitter, dms or wherever it may be, we need to understand how the law interacts with those. Yeah, andy, theres a very distressing story in the telegraph after the death of those two children in bournemouth this week. Theres now a boat at the Centre Bournemouth this week. Theres now a boat at the centre of theres now a boat at the centre of this tragcty now a boat at the centre of this tragcty. Now a boat at the centre of this tragcty. Wean. Now a boat at the centre of this tragedy. S is;i13 31g tragedy. Yeah, absolutely. So eight people were treated at the scene after this incident. A 12 Year Old Girl and a 17 year old boy who werent known to each other died at the scene or later in hospital. Whats happened is in hospital. Whats happened is the a boat, a pleasure cruiser in the bournemouth area called the dorset bell has been seized. And as we understand it in the details are fragmented and developing. Is eight individuals got into trouble near the pier. Got into trouble near the pier. Its made clear that they its been made clear that they didnt from the pier. They didnt jump from the pier. They werent on inflatables, they werent on inflatables, they werent on inflatables, they werent on boat itself. Werent on the boat itself. Were boat were also told that the boat didnt contact. And this is didnt make contact. And this is what times saying well what the times is saying as well as telegraph. The boat what the times is saying as well as make raph. The boat what the times is saying as well as make contactie boat what the times is saying as well as make contact with at what the times is saying as well as make contact with these didnt make contact with these individuals man in individuals. However, a man in his 40s assumedly who was driving the boat has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter, but has been subsequently released. So he hasnt been charged. So if they didnt jump from the pier, they didnt jump from the pier, they didnt make contact the didnt make contact with the boat on the boat boat or they werent on the boat themselves hideous themselves. Again, its hideous to speculate , but youd assume to speculate, but youd assume it was something do with the it was something to do with the way boat was steered. Way the boat was being steered. That a concern or where that is, of a concern or where they were in the water. And there are lots of 3 and there are lots of rumours as wett there are lots of rumours as wet atout there are lots of rumours as well about jet there are lots of rumours as well about jet ski hitting them. But well about jet ski hitting them. Put apparcntty well about jet ski hitting them. But apparently true. But apparently thats not true. But apparently thats not true. Tutlis but apparently thats not true. Tutlis gutte but apparently thats not true. Butlis quite well but apparently thats not true. But is quite well known but it is quite well known in tnat but it is quite well known in tnatincre but it is quite well known in thattherevery,. But it is quite well known in that there very, very that area. There are very, very strong that area. There are very, very strong undercurrent. Riptide going tnat strong undercurrent. Riptide going that area. Strong undercurrent. Riptide. Going that area. So going out around that area. So so otviousiy going out around that area. So so obviously we going out around that area. So so obviously we need to wait for going out around that area. So so outcome we need to wait for going out around that area. So so outcome wethezd to wait for the outcome of the investigation. The outcome of the investigation. Could just investigation. This could just be investigation. This could just tc a investigation. This could just be a naturai investigation. This could just be a natural death by natural causes. We dont be a natural death by natural causes. We dont know yet. � t, y~. ;~~ causes. We dont know yet. When i causes. We dont know yet. When ito causes. We dont know yet. When ito university causes. We dont know yet. When ito university in i went to university in bournemouth, ive lived there myself. Ever going to myself. If youre ever going to be, a swim in the water. Be, have a swim in the water. Bournemouths because bournemouths wonderful because its beaches. You its got wide flat beaches. You can see if youre a parent, youve got kids, you can see all the from left, all the the way from the left, all the way right. And people way to the right. And people i think the biggest danger about bournemouth broadly bournemouth is its broadly quite but because feels quite safe, but because it feels very, tricks you very, very safe, it tricks you into going out of into perhaps going out of your depth. There side currents, depth. There are side currents, rip think, and all rip currents, i think, and all sorts things. There and the sorts of things. There and the pier particularly quite pier particularly is quite dangerous swim to dangerous to swim next to because so many blind because it has so many blind spots. It has sort of currents that are very specific that that are very specific to that area. And if youre in a boat and people are by the and people are hidden by the other of the pier, you other side of the pier, you know, do you theyre there, know, do you know theyre there, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, it is very, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, it is veryupsetting. Etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, it is very,upsetting, isnt s s yeah, it is very, upsetting, isnt it . Very, very upsetting, isnt it . Vouvc very, very upsetting, isnt it . Vouvc tnint very, very upsetting, isnt it . Youve think of. Very, very upsetting, isnt it . I youve think of the youve just got to think of the taniiics youve just got to think of the familiesthat youve just got to think of the families. That12 youve just got to think of the families that 12 year old families of that 12 year old girt families of that 12 year old giri ant families of that 12 year old giri ant tnc families of that 12 Year Old Girl and the 17 families of that 12 Year Old Girl and the 17 year old boy. Atsoiutciy. Girl and the 17 year old boy. | absolutely. Awful absolutely. It really is awful toatout. Absolutely. It really is awful toabout. Um, absolutely. It really is awful to about. Um, claire, to think about. Um, claire, icts to think about. Um, claire, ictsa to think about. Um, claire, ictsa ioot to think about. Um, claire, letsa look at to think about. Um, claire, lets a look at the time, lets take a look at the time, stati lets take a look at the time, snaii wet lets take a look at the time, snaii weta lets take a look at the time, shall we . A crackdown down shall we . And a crackdown down on westminster shall we . And a crackdown down on westminster sex shall we . And a crackdown down on westminster sex pest. Yes, ivc on westminster sex pest. Yes, ivc atout ive never spoken about westminster ive never spoken about westminster much as westminster sex pest as much as i westminster sex pest as much as itnc westminster sex pest as much as itnc tast westminster sex pest as much as itnc iast year. Westminster sex pest as much as itnc iastycar. Westminster sex pest as much as ithe last year. It i have in the last year. It teets i have in the last year. It teesevery i have in the last year. It feelsevery single. I have in the last year. It feels every single scandal feels like every single scandal that comes up is something to do with deviant behaviour in westminster. Ever i am westminster. How ever i am concerned. And it was what is concerned. And it was what is being reported in the times , being reported in the times, which is essentially anybody who is accused of behaving in that manner would be banned from the parliamentary estate. I think this is really troubling for a couple of reasons. It will lead to a lot of false accusations , to a lot of false accusations, people trying to see whether they can get somebody banned from the parliamentary estate andifs from the parliamentary estate and its going to lead to that. But also so any anonymity that somebody has, if theyve not been accused, they havent been called up by the police, theyre not under prosecution for an offence. Arent they entitled to offence. Arent they entitled to a little bit of privacy in all of this . Because you can get these vexatious claims made against people and it can ruin peoples lives . Yeah. And interestingly, peoples lives . Yeah. And interestingly, i peoples lives . Yeah. And interestingly, i was l 7 s is;i13 and interestingly, i was contacted tnis interestingly, i was contacted tnis wcct interestingly, i was contacted tnis wcct ty interestingly, i was contacted tnis wcct by a interestingly, i was contacted this week by a former Parliamentary Assistant in trusscis Parliamentary Assistant in brussels where used to work, brussels where i used to work, ant brussels where i used to work, antlsiniiar brussels where i used to work, and similar scandal is and a similar scandal is cnvctoping and a similar scandal is enveloping the European Union at the enveloping the European Union at tnc rnorncnt enveloping the European Union at the moment. Theres been a huge atnost the moment. Theres been a huge ainost tite the moment. Theres been a huge ainost iitc a the moment. Theres been a huge almost like a metoo the moment. Theres been a huge almost like a Metoo Movement witnin almost like a Metoo Movement witnin tnat almost like a Metoo Movement within that area. Almost like a Metoo Movement within that area. Another cicncnt within that area. Another element of within that area. Another element of this thats worth captoring element of this thats worth captoring is element of this thats worth exploring is the element of this thats worth exploring is the idea of are the pars exploring is the idea of are the pars or exploring is the idea of are the pars or tnc exploring is the idea of are the bars or the in exploring is the idea of are the bars or the in westminster to stanc bars or the in westminster to tianc tnis bars or the in westminster to blame this this bars or the in westminster to blame this this mp Gareth Davies was blame this this mp Gareth Davies wagging blame this this mp Gareth Davies was bragging about taking on tots was bragging about taking on tots ot was bragging about taking on tots ot young was bragging about taking on lots of young women to the bars ant lots of young women to the bars ant piying lots of young women to the bars ant ptying tncn lots of young women to the bars and plying them with drink. Is and plying them with drink. Is tnat and plying them with drink. Is tnat a and plying them with drink. Is that a talking and plying them with drink. Is that a talking point or is that iust that a talking point or is that iust a that a talking point or is that iust a norrnai that a talking point or is that just a normal part of the Parliament Just a normal part of the parliament process . People are asting parliament process . People are asting tor parliament process . People are asking for those parliament process . People are asking for those bars to be tatcn asking for those bars to be tatcn out. Asking for those bars to be taken out. Is asking for those bars to be taken out. Is that a step too tart taken out. Is that a step too tart ves taken out. Is that a step too tart yes i taken out. Is that a step too far . Yes i think taken out. Is that a step too far . Yes i think it taken out. Is that a step too far . Yes i think it is. I understand far . Yes i think it is. I understand that far . Yes i think it is. I understand that the argument is workplaces dont have bars, so why should westminster . It isnt why should westminster . It isnt a normal place to work. And the a normal place to work. And the counter argument to all of that is if he wasnt taking them to a bar in parliament, he would have beenin bar in parliament, he would have been in a bar somewhere else. If thatis been in a bar somewhere else. If that is his behaviour, if that is his choice of drinking partner, he could have done that anywhere. Its think its anywhere. Its i think its always a little bit lame to start looking at the bars as the problem when its the behaviour of the individual. Nobody makes you go there, nobody makes you take young Staff Members there. So think that behaviour here so i think that behaviour here of mps needs to be looked at before you start banning things out of parliament. Im not a fan of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what do of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what to you of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what to you tnintc of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what do you think . I of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what do you think . I think of doing that. Yeah. Andy, what do you think . I think i i isi 3g yeah. Andy, what do you think . I is 3. Do you think . I think i dont want to misremember anything but as i understood there was about 60 westminster mps who were currently investigation for various Different Things from very, you know , under the catch very, you know, under the catch all term of sexual allegations. All term of sexual allegations. Whether thats very, very minor words said or extremely serious. I think the huge issue is the was now one, there is less and less reasons for people to want to become an mp to theres less and less trust in mps. And i think what public trust in the job is increasingly diminishing. And whilst i agree with what claire says, that if you get rid of the bars , etcetera, etcetera, of the bars, etcetera, etcetera, they just go to their nearest local pub and they buy their staff sort of staff drinks and these sort of things anyway, i think things happen. Anyway, i think if sort of curtailments if there is sort of curtailments on these of things, i think on these sort of things, i think especially of especially with the price of food, living, seeing mps food, cost of living, seeing mps get subsidised , delicious get very subsidised, delicious meals , pubs, etcetera, etcetera, meals, pubs, etcetera, etcetera, can bars can be quite galling for and i think i think to be fair to labour party, they fair to the labour party, they have swiftly. They put have acted swiftly. They put this on have acted swiftly. They put thison suspension s they put this on suspension while this guy on suspension while tney tncyrcl they investigate. So theyre tating they investigate. So theyre taking seriously, they investigate. So theyre taking. Seriously, is taking this seriously, which is the taking this seriously, which is tnc corcct taking this seriously, which is the correct due taking this seriously, which is the correct due process to go tnrougn the correct due process to go tnrougn ant the correct due process to go through and its the correct due process to go through and its being dealt witn through and its being dealt witn. Stati through and its being dealt with. Shall we, through and its being dealt with. Shall we, shall we move on to our with. Shall we, shall we move on to next with. Shall we, shall we move on to our next story . With. Shall we, shall we move on to our next story . Andy sonctning to our next story . Andy something we spoke about cariicn something we spoke about carteris something we spoke about earlier. Is a something we spoke about earlier. Is a story thats earlier. This is a story thats going earlier. This is a story thats going to earlier. This is a story thats going to catty earlier. This is a story thats going to really get people going atout going to really get people going atoutisn going to really get people going aboutfish and going to really get people going about fish and chip shops, about the fish and chip shops, octo about the fish and chip shops, soc couit about the fish and chip shops,| 50 could close about the fish and chip shops, 50 could close by 50 of chip shops could close by 2025. 50 of chip shops could close by 2025. Ant 50 of chip shops could close by 2025. And unless 50 of chip shops could close by 2025. And unless we start tnocting 2025. And unless we start knocking down 2025. And unless we start knocking down on the great tritisn knocking down on the Great British fish knocking down on the Great British fish supper quite tneyrc british fish supper quite theyre going the same way as puts. Theyre going the same way as puts. Arcnt theyre going the same way as pubs, arent they theyre going the same way as pubs, arent they really, where i pubs, arent they really, where i tnint pubs, arent they really, where i tnint a pubs, arent they really, where i tnint a iot pubs, arent they really, where i think a lot of pubs, arent they really, where i think a lot of fish and chip snops i think a lot of fish and chip snops nave i think a lot of fish and chip shops have been i think a lot of fish and chip shops have been devastated by passing shops have been devastated by passing tratc. Shops have been devastated by passing trade. The shops have been devastated by passing trade. 31l. You less and less go into towns, and passing trade is rapidly and so passing trade is rapidly diminished. Okay, im afraid tnats diminished. Okay, im afraid was time diminished. Okay, im afraid was time. Diminished. Okay, im afraid thats time. Claire i 3 okay, im afraid thats time. Claire and andy, thats time. Claire and andy, catty. Thats time. Claire and andy, rcatty. Catty thats time. Claire and andy, really, really good to see you tott really, really good to see you totn tnis really, really good to see you both this morning. Were going to pc both this morning. Were going to be tact both this morning. Were going to be tact in both this morning. Were going to be back in the both this morning. Were going to be back in the next hour, but do to be back in the next hour, but to stay to be back in the next hour, but to stay witn to be back in the next hour, but do stay with us. To be back in the next hour, but do stay with us. Lots more to come, including do stay with us. Lots more to come, including Phillip Schofield come, including Phillip Schofield says hes lost cvcrytning schofield says hes lost everything speaks to schofield says hes lost everythingspeaks to the everything as he speaks to the meta everything as he speaks to the nctia tor everything as he speaks to the media for the everything as he speaks to the media for the time since media for the First Time Since his media for the First Time Since nis iiv. Media for the First Time Since nis iiv. Wciii his departure from itv. Well nave his departure from itv. Well havelatest his departure from itv. Well havelatest for his departure from itv. Well have latest for you. Is have the latest for you. This is gb have the latest for you. This is on news have the latest for you. This is on news tnis have the latest for you. This is gb news this morning. 3s;;t< gb news this morning. Alex seatin gb news this morning. Alex peatin pere gb news this morning. Alex deakin here with gb news this morning. Alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Another fine sunny day for most today and evenin sunny day for most today and even in the east where it has been pretty dull all week. We are looking at some sunshine coming through. Eventually high coming through. Eventually High Pressure continues to dominate and will control our weather through the weekend as well. But around that high, breeze is around that high, the breeze is still in off the north still coming in off the north sea and so its produced quite a lot of cloud. So for many it is a pretty drab start. But already got some sunshine in the west and across much of scotland. And the should break up the clouds should break up pretty so pretty quickly this morning. So i think will see brighter i think we will see brighter skies cambridgeshire all skies from cambridgeshire all the up across yorkshire. Now the way up across yorkshire. Now parts of the east coast may stay a little misty, but certainly anywhere , it should be anywhere inland, it should be a brighter day across the east and itll be warmer as well. The coast will be fresh because it will still be a breeze blowing and west will still be best for temperatures the temperatures getting into the low 20s in the sunshine for many a evening as a cracking friday evening as well, places staying well, with most places staying fine and sunny. A bit more cloud spilling in through the day across northern so across northern scotland. So turning here turning quite cloudy here through evening. And again, through the evening. And again, some will just dribble some cloud will just dribble back inland over parts of the midlands and Eastern England through the early hours. Temperatures will dip where weve got the clearest skies. Well down into single figures in the countryside. So even though its june , its still a bit of a its june, its still a bit of a chilly start to saturday. But i think for most its going to be another day. Yes, will another sunny day. Yes, it will start cloudy over the start fairly cloudy over the midlands. Again, that cloud midlands. But again, that cloud should tend melt away by mid should tend to melt away by mid to late morning. Northern scotland will be a little duller on saturday. So tomorrow even some patchy drizzly rain is possible over the Northern Isles, but otherwise its dry and fine. Strong sunshine. Uv and fine. Strong sunshine. Uv levels will be high and temperatures will be a little higher on again if higher on saturday. Again if youve got the breeze from the sea, be a little sea, the coast may be a little fresh, but inland high teens low. 2324 is possible. And low. 20s 2324 is possible. And its a similar story on sunday. Plenty sunshine and feeling plenty of sunshine and feeling warm inland. Away. Good morning away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on friday, away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on tritay. Tnc away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on iritay. Tnc snt away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on friday, the 2nd of away. Good morning. Its 7 00 on friday, the 2nd of june e 3g its 7 00 on friday, the 2nd of june coming up totay friday, the 2nd of june coming up totay. Friday, the 2nd of june coming up today , phillip friday, the 2nd of june coming up today , Phillip Schofield says up today, Phillip Schofield says he up today, Phillip Schofield says nc nas up today, Phillip Schofield says nc nas iost up today, Phillip Schofield says he has lost everything after ot he has lost everything after ot nis he has lost everything after news of his affair with the much younger news of his affair with the much younger matc news of his affair with the much younger male colleague on itvs tnis younger male colleague on itvs inis morning younger male colleague on itvs this morning came younger male colleague on itvs this morning came out speaking witn this morning came out speaking witn tnc this morning came out speaking witn tnc tnc this morning came out speaking with the bbc. He this morning came out speaking with the bbc. Is; i with the bbc. He said he sees nothing ahead of him but blackness and sadness. The covid blackness and sadness. The covid inquiry blackness and sadness. The covid inguiry saga blackness and sadness. The covid inquiry saga continues blackness and sadness. The covid inquiry saga continues as s 13 51 the covid inquiry saga continues as the cabinet inquiry saga continues as the Cabinet Office inquiry saga continues as the Cabinet Office are set to bring about Cabinet Office are set to bring about iegai Cabinet Office are set to bring about legal action to prevent boris about legal action to prevent Boris Johnsons about legal action to prevent Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages being handed over. And its messages being handed over. And iis misery messages being handed over. And iis misery for messages being handed over. And its misery for millions this weekend its misery for millions this weekend ee its misery for millions this weekend as train strikes are set to uni weekend as train strikes are set ie beeh weekend as train strikes are set to ruin both the weekend as train strikes are set to ruin both the epsom derby and the fa to ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup to ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final to ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final. To ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final. i to ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final. i the fa cup final. And as always , we want to bring you the latest weather update. It will eastern areas finally c. it will eastern areas finally brighten up ieeey eastern areas finally brighten up ieeey e eastern areas finally brighten up ieeeye ane eastern areas finally brighten up today. 7 1i eastern areas finally brighten up today. 7 1 up today . And what does the weekend have in store . Join me later for a full gb news weather forecast. Yeah, later for a full gb news weather forecast. Yeah, top of the forecast. Yeah, top of the morning. Forecast. Yeah, top of the morning. Im f yeah, top of the morning. Im Martin Daubney. Ane morning. Im Martin Daubney. And im morning. Im Martin Daubney. And in mie morning. Im Martin Daubney. And im Ellie Costello morning. Im Martin Daubney. And im Ellie Costello and morning. Im Martin Daubney. And im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on gb news is. Well, Philip Schofield has told the bbc he has lost everything in the wake of his affair with a younger male colleague. The former this morning 1g d the former this morning host has spoken former this morning host has spoken out former this morning host has spoken eni ne former this morning host has spoken out to journalist and broadcaster spoken out to journalist and broadcaster amol rajan about how nes broadcaster amol rajan about how nes keen broadcaster amol rajan about how hes been feeling broadcaster amol rajan about how hes been feeling this week. Hes been feeling this week. Kenve hes been feeling this week. Venvs nan hes been feeling this week. Youve had quite hes been feeling this week. Youve had quite the hes been feeling this week. i i. 11 i how youve had quite the week. How are you. Its like a are you. Its like a weird numbness. I know thats a numbness. I know thats a selfish point of view , but selfish point of view, but youve come to a point at where youve come to a point at where you just think how much are you supposed to take if all of those people that write all of that stuff off , do they ever think stuff off, do they ever think that theres actually a person at the other end . Why . Why do you want to do this izi;1i . Is, 1,0 why do you want to do this interview . Neennse you want to do this interview . Because there you want to do this interview . Because there is you want to do this interview . Because there is an innocent person because there is an innocent neisen nee because there is an innocent person here who because there is an innocent person here who didnt do enyining person here who didnt do anything wrong , who is anything wrong, who is vulnerable anything wrong, who is vulnerable and probably feels kike vulnerable and probably feels kike vulnerable and probably feels kike i de vulnerable and probably feels kike i no. Vulnerable and probably feels like i do. Wow vulnerable and probably feels like i do. Well, were like i do. Wow. Well, were joined like i do. Wow. Well, were joined new like i do. Wow. Well, were joined ny like i do. Well, were joined now by Showbiz Reporter siennnnie joined now by Showbiz Reporter Stephanie Takyi. Joined now by Showbiz Reporter Stephanie Takyi. Good morning to you, Stephanie Takyi. Good morning to yen, siepnenie. Stephanie takyi. Good morning to you, stephanie. Thank you for joining you, stephanie. Thank you for joining you, stephanie. Thank you for joining ano you, stephanie. Thank you for joining us. And youve watched inis joining us. And youve watched inis nnoie joining us. And youve watched this whole interview that philip has this whole interview that philip nos none this whole interview that philip has done with this whole interview that philip has done with the bbc. What do has done with the bbc. What do you make has done with the bbc. What do you make on has done with the bbc. What do you make of it . Has done with the bbc. What do you make of it . Its has done with the bbc. What do you make of it . Its very much yonne you make of it . Its very much yoe seeing you make of it . Its very much yoe seeing o you make of it . Its very much youre seeing a man who has ioiien youre seeing a man who has ioiien iron youre seeing a man who has fallen from grace youre seeing a man who has fallen from grace and a man who is or fallen from grace and a man who is or nis fallen from grace and a man who is at his lowest fallen from grace and a man who is at his lowest. Fallen from grace and a man who is at his lowest. 1i is at his lowest. And i think this week, early and weve seen everyone has had their say on this scandal and he was forced now to come out, maybe debunk a few of the myths thats been surrounding this case. But more than anything , i can see that he than anything, i can see that he is in a fragile state of mind. He said that he has come to contemplate suicide this week. Contemplate suicide this week. He said its only his daughters who have literally been by his side that has saved him from, you know, ending it all for himself. He you know, ending it all for himself. He tries to defend. And this younger man, hes the person that hes been trying to say has been made the worst hes made to appear look the worst out of this situation. And hes out of this situation. And hes the most sorriest to this young man. So in this interview, he expresses how the affair began. And then he also talks about the fallout with holly. Its all rounding, hitting interview. And whats the line you just neniioneei and whats the line you just mentioned, which you think is reoiiy mentioned, which you think is really interesting, that theres no noo really interesting, that theres no nda, non disclosure no nda, the non disclosure. G. Mem, no nda, the non disclosure agreement, would prevent agreement, which would prevent this agreement, which would prevent ins iron agreement, which would prevent this from talking. This young man from talking. Nes this young man from talking. Nes isni this young man from talking. Hes isnt one. Hes saying there isnt one of nose. Hes saying there isnt one of noseloo. Hes saying there isnt one of those. Ino,. Said hes saying there isnt one of those. \ii i hes saying there isnt one of. Those. Ino,. Said because all those. No, he said because all week long have thought those. No, he said because all week lonyoung have thought those. No, he said because all week lonyoung hahashought those. No, he said because all week lonyoung hahas been|t that this young man has been signed nda by itv maybe signed to nda by itv or maybe other newspapers and hasnt been able to speak out. But philip able to speak out. But philip says is free to speak says this man is free to speak out. But actually, this is not what this young man wants to do. He this all go away and he wants this all to go away and this is who philip hes this is who philip says hes most because he says most serious to because he says this young man, he didnt want to dragged into it. He didnt to be dragged into it. He didnt want identity to be want his identity to be revealed. Family, revealed. His family, his friends. Has been put friends. Everything has been put in the public periphery through this. Whats he said about his irienosnin this. Whats he said about his friendship with whats he said about his friendship with Holly Willoughby . Well he says he nosni willoughby . Well he says he nosni noo willoughby . Well he says he nosni non o willoughby . Well he says he hasnt had a response from holly. Lsnys hasnt had a response from holly. Lsnys inni hasnt had a response from holly. Lsnys inn ne hasnt had a response from holly. Says that he messaged hasnt had a response from holly. He says that he messaged her to that he apologised and to say that he apologised and she he hasnt received a response from her, and i dont think he will. Hes very much open to the friendship being mended. Think its just mended. But i think its just gone too far because he lied and he lied too many times to her, to fellow colleagues. So i just think that for that friendship, its definitely over. From hollys point of view. But what hollys point of view. But what is interesting with this is quite interesting with this interview, he has accused the media of homophobia because , as media of homophobia because, as he says, that if this affair had beenin he says, that if this affair had been in a heterosexual affair, it would have been a wink wink , it would have been a wink wink, kind of go on, mate. But he says kind of go on, mate. But he says because its been between two men, hes made it. Weve made it a bigger issue than it was. But actually, hes actually actually, i think hes actually quite lucky that it was between another man , because if was another man, because if it was with another female , theres with another female, theres no doubt mind would have doubt in my mind it would have been more controversial than it was. I think it would have been worse was a young female worse if it was a young female that talking about. And that we are talking about. And thats why hes saying been thats why hes saying its been blown proportion blown out of proportion because its men. Steph, its between two men. Steph, i want a question about want to ask you a question about his performance. Yeah, during inor his performance. Yeah, during that, because his performance. Yeah, during that, because it his performance. Yeah, during that, because it was his performance. Yeah, during that, because it was a that, because it was a performance. C performance. It was a performance. And performance. C f and when performance. It was a performance. And when you performance. It was a performance. And when you look at performance. And when you look or innar performance. And when you look an inn nes performance. And when you look an inn nesio performance. And when you look at what hesto the performance. And when you look at what hesto the sun, at what hes said to the sun, is at what hes said to the sun, its interesting at what hes said to the sun, its interesting note that its interesting to note that schofields its interesting to note that schofields volunteered schofields lawyer volunteered rniiiin schofields lawyer volunteered Phillip Schofield schofields lawyer volunteered Phillip Schofield for this very noon Phillip Schofield for this very noon reeks Phillip Schofield for this very much feels like Phillip Schofield for this very much feels like a stage managed copy much feels like a stage managed eopy approved much feels like a stage managed copy approved allow our client to copy approved allow our client io gei copy approved allow our client io oer o copy approved allow our client to get a sympathetic news line our. To get a sympathetic news line our. Non to get a sympathetic news line out. How believable do you think senoiieio out. How believable do you think schofield came out. How believable do you think schofield came across in that one schofield came across in that one now schofield came across in that and how much schofield came across in that and how much of schofield came across in that and how much of an actor do you inink and how much of an actor do you inink ne and how much of an actor do you inink ne sonne and how much of an actor do you think he came across in that . I think think he came across in that . I think ne think he came across in that . I think he still think he came across in that . I think he still has think he came across in that . I think he still has this think he came across in that . I think he still has this woe think he came across in that . I think he still has this woe is me attitude during the interview. Like even though he keeps apologising, its like keeps on apologising, its like he says he made a grave error, but then he goes to backtrack himself and say it was consent. Jewel im not agreeing to jewel and im not agreeing to this is the last time were probably going to see Phillip Schofield tv so had to schofield on tv. So hes had to put Award Winning put this Award Winning performance in a sense to save some credibility through this interview in his defence, he debunks a lot of myths which, you know, he has the right to do so. But i dont think he comes across as sincere. I think hes across as sincere. I think hes just been forced to do this. Obviously, next week is when itv will be itv executives will be facing Big Questions in parliament. So hes had to do this last big kind of show of support and solidarity for them. But i think a lot of people can see through the lies. Phillip schofield has lied for many years now , so a lot of people years now, so a lot of people when they do watch this interview, we cant say what is true anymore or what is a lie. Its a great point. Its a very, very good point. Because hes oonineri very good point. Because hes admitted that very good point. Because hes admitted that hes nip 3 because hes admitted that hes been hes been admitted that hes been hes been iying admitted that hes been hes been iying ro admitted that hes been hes been lying to everybody. Yes. Nis been lying to everybody. Yes. His wife. Been lying to everybody. Yes. His wife. Yeah, been lying to everybody. Yes. His wife. Yeah, his colleagues, his workmates. His wife. Yeah, his colleagues, his workmates. Yes. So why snorin his workmates. Yes. So why snoniri ne his workmates. Yes. So why should we believe this . Izi; should we believe this . He says the iies should we believe this . He says the iies gor should we believe this . He says the lies got too should we believe this . He says the lies got too big now. Thats why he was forced to come out about everything. He said, you know, initially it was just rumours, onto rumours, but now it got onto mainstream news, places mainstream news, onto places such as gb news. And at the point he says now ive got nothing else to lose. So thats nothing else to lose. So thats the only thing that could be in his defence. Hes lost his job. Hes just about hanging onto his family, he said. Now the conversations hes got left is with his garden. So in that sense we have to give him a bit of credit. There steph should we toke of credit. There steph should we take o of credit. There steph should we take o kook of credit. There steph should we take o iook or of credit. There steph should we take a look at the of credit. There steph should we take a look at the front iffizii e 1 ;i i; steph should we take a look at the front of the many take a look at the front of the deity mirrore take a look at the front of the daily mirror . Because on it it snows daily mirror . Because on it it snows o daily mirror . Because on it it snows o very daily mirror . Because on it it shows a very defiant, smiling noiiy shows a very defiant, smiling Holly Willoughby. Ive got norning Holly Willoughby. Ive got norning ro Holly Willoughby. Ive got nothing to hide. Shes on noiiooy nothing to hide. Shes on noiiooy in nothing to hide. Shes on holiday in portugal at the moment holiday in portugal at the moment with holiday in portugal at the moment with her family and the papers moment with her family and the papers reponinp moment with her family and the papers reporting shes going to be peek papers reporting shes going to be backmonday papers reporting shes going to be backmonday. Papers reporting shes going to be back monday. And were be back on monday. And were oiso be back on monday. And were oiso seeing be back on monday. And were also seeing on be back on monday. And were also seeing on instagram, shes peek also seeing on instagram, shes backinfluencing also seeing on instagram, shes back influencing and sharing back to influencing and sharing peony back to influencing and sharing Beauty Products back to influencing and sharing Beauty Products on on there. So very Beauty Products on on there. So very noon Beauty Products on on there. So very noon keep Beauty Products on on there. So very much keep calm and carry on. Very much keep calm and carry noiiy very much keep calm and carry noiiy one very much keep calm and carry on. Holly and business as usual. Do on. Holly and business as usual. No you on. Holly and business as usual. Do you rnink on. Holly and business as usual. Do you think shell on. Holly and business as usual. Do you think shell be back on montoy do you think shell be back on iioneioy one do you think shell be back on monday and do do you think shell be back on monday and do you think its the non monday and do you think its the non decision monday and do you think its the right decision for monday and do you think its the right decision for her to be peeks right decision for her to be peeks i right decision for her to be back . I dont right decision for her to be back . I dont think right decision for her to be back . I i i1 e 1 have just taken a longer extended break from the show by her coming back. Think her coming back. I think its adding more to the wound. Adding more salt to the wound. I dont its viewers dont think its given viewers to see her in a to a chance to see her in a different light. I think youre eeon different light. I think youre dead nonn different light. I think youre dead right. So different light. I think youre dead right. So if different light. I think youre dead right. So if due i firizrx c q1 i think youre dead right. So if due process was followed dead right. So if due process was followed and the questions were answered was followed and the questions were answered by was followed and the questions were answered by itv execs in tnis were answered by itv execs in inis inquiry were answered by itv execs in this inquiry before holly came peek, this inquiry before holly came took, in this inquiry before holly came took, it epo this inquiry before holly came back, if ego and this inquiry before holly came back, if ego and narcissism weeni back, if ego and narcissism wereni ine back, if ego and narcissism werent the driving factors and if werent the driving factors and ii ornrnon werent the driving factors and if common sense werent the driving factors and if common sense were, holly may not go if common sense were, holly may not to peek, if common sense were, holly may not go back, which if common sense were, holly may not go back, which probably means she will not go back, which probably means she will be back on monday. Sne means she will be back on monday. Sne more means she will be back on monday. She more than means she will be back on monday. She more than likely means she will be back on monday. She more than likely she means she will be back on monday. She more than likely she seems quite adamant. I have to give her credit where its due because she seems quite courageous, because people courageous, because most people would but would want to avoid it. But i think feels like i havent think she feels like i havent done nothing wrong. Why do done nothing wrong. So why do i have to hide . Why should i not go back to the job that i love have to hide . Why should i not go much . The job that i love have to hide . Why should i not go much . And ob that i love have to hide . Why should i not go much . And you � iat i love have to hide . Why should i not go much . And you can love have to hide . Why should i not go much . And you can seee have to hide . Why should i not go much . And you can see both so much . And you can see both skies so much . And you can see both skies eonr so much . And you can see both sides, cant you . 11. It17 and you can see both sides, cant you . Because she nos sides, cant you . Because she nos peeorne sides, cant you . Because she nos peeorne o sides, cant you . Because she has become a talent in her own ripnr. Has become a talent in her own ripnr. A has become a talent in her own righta very, has become a talent in her own rignr. O very, very has become a talent in her own right. A very, very good right. Shes a very, very good presenter very right. Shes a very, very good. Presenter very much presenter and she is very much ioweri presenter and she is very much ioveri py presenter and she is very much ioveri iy ine presenter and she is very much loved by the British Public. I rnink loved by the British Public. I rnink tne loved by the British Public. I think the only loved by the British Public. I think the only thing shes reoiiy think the only thing shes reoiiy gor think the only thing shes really got criticism for is that onesopo. Really got criticism for is that cue saga. September really got criticism for is that. Cuesaga. September. Cue gate saga. Last september. So cue gate saga. Last september. So you cue gate saga. Last september. So you son cue gate saga. Last september. So you see cue gate saga. Last september. So you can see why she would wont so you can see why she would wont ro so you can see why she would wont to sonne so you can see why she would want to come back. But the fear is one want to come back. But the fear is one you want to come back. But the fear is and you touched want to come back. But the fear is and you touched upon it, is if more is and you touched upon it, is if more comes is and you touched upon it, is if more comes out, which it sowin if more comes out, which it eonio wiiil if more comes out, which it. 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Steph takyi Stephanie Takyi g steph takyi Stephanie Takyi fantastic input takyi Stephanie Takyi fantastic inpnr one takyi Stephanie Takyi fantastic input and well takyi Stephanie Takyi fantastic input and well done for getting out input and well done for getting our on input and well done for getting our of peei input and well done for getting our of pen or input and well done for getting out of bed at 6 00 in the morning out of bed at 6 00 in the morning and out of bed at 6 00 in the morning and watching phillip senoiieio morning and watching phillip. Schofield story schofield interview. This story is, schofield interview. This story is snownizl is, you know, in the showbiz world, this has been one of the most weve most controversial stories weve had very long time. Had in a very long time. And i know a lot of my colleagues have been saying theres more to come. Last night, evidently, come. And last night, evidently, the dropped. Know the bombshell dropped. Know stephanie slept stephanie hasnt slept in a week, stephanie hasnt slept in a week, nove stephanie hasnt slept in a week, have stephanie . Thank week, have you, stephanie . Thank you week, have you, stephanie . Thank yon in week, have you, stephanie . Thank yon in ro week, have you, stephanie . Thank yon in to see you so much. Coming in to see uspoori you so much. Coming in to see uspoorilsee you so much. Coming in to see usgoodlsee you. I us. Always good to see you. Rowre us. Always good to see you. Rowre going us. Always good to see you. Youre going to us. Always good to see you. Youre going to stay us for youre going to stay with us for the youre going to stay with us for ine morning, youre going to stay with us for the morning, arent you . Nriiiionr the morning, arent you . Brilliant you the morning, arent you . | brilliant you very the morning, arent you . Brilliant you very much. Brilliant thank you very much. Now, think brexit, it now, do you think brexit, it dragged years . Well, it dragged on for years . Well, it looks covid is going the looks like covid is going the same way. Well, the government are same way. Well, the government ore keepi same way. Well, the government are legal battle. Are preparing for a legal battle overjohnsons are preparing for a legal battle over johnsons whatsapp over Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages. Yeah, over Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages. Yeah, chair of the messages. Yeah, the chair of the sovie messages. Yeah, the chair of the coviddemanded messages. Yeah, the chair of the covid demanded be covid inquiry demanded they be nonoeo handed over for her investigation handed over for her investigationibut ministers handed over for her investigationibut ministers are investigation. But ministers are concerned damaging content concerned about damaging content contained and whats contained in them and whats irrelevant withheld. Well, irrelevant ones withheld. Well, lets speak now to gb well, lets speak now to gb news senior political lets speak now to gb news senior political commentator wieei senior political commentator wigei weison. Senior political commentator nigel nelson. Really good to see you tnis nigel nelson. Really good to see you this morning, nigel nelson. Really good to see you this morning, nigel. I mean, tnis you this morning, nigel. I mean, rnis is you this morning, nigel. I mean, rnis is on you this morning, nigel. I mean, this is an extraordinary situation, this is an extraordinary situation, isnt it . We find ourselves in . Situation, isnt it . We find ourselves in . Its completely unprecedented ourselves in . Its completely unprecedented. Ourselves in . Its completely unprecedented. And the uk unprecedented. And the uk government unprecedented. And the uk government is unprecedented. And the uk government is seeking to launch a government is seeking to launch o iegoi government is seeking to launch a legal challenge government is seeking to launch a legal challenge against a pnpiie a legal challenge against a Public Inquiry a legal challenge against a Public Inquiry that it asked ion Public Inquiry that it asked ion res. Public inquiry that it asked for. Yes. And Public Inquiry that it asked for. Yes. And it Public Inquiry that it asked for. I izi;5 e Public Inquiry that it asked for. i1 5 1 e for. Yes. And it seems bizarre theyre doing it at all that legal legal experts, senior Civil Servants, the chair of two commons select committees , and commons select committees, and last night, George Freeman, the science minister, all said the government is bound to lose this case. So you have to ask why tneyre case. So you have to ask why tneyre ripnrine case. So you have to ask why theyre fighting it f so you have to ask why theyre fighting it now. Their theyre fighting it now. Their excuse seems theyre fighting it now. Their excuse seems to theyre fighting it now. Their excuse seems to be they want to rest excuse seems to be they want to rest ine excuse seems to be they want to test the waters excuse seems to be they want to test the waters. Excuse seems to be they want to test the waters. They want to test the waters. They want to find test the waters. They want to find our test the waters. They want to find our in test the waters. They want to find out if whatsapp messages and some find out if whatsapp messages and oi find out if whatsapp messages and some of the find out if whatsapp messages and some of the private details rnor and some of the private details not contain and some of the private details that contain within them should oernoiiy that contain within them should oernoiiy pe that contain within them should actually be revealed. So theyre actually be revealed. So theyre iookine actually be revealed. So theyre iookinp or actually be revealed. So theyre looking at this actually be revealed. So theyre looking at this as actually be revealed. So theyre looking at this as a test case. Wnet looking at this as a test case. Wnor is looking at this as a test case. Wnor is i looking at this as a test case. What is i think looking at this as a test case. What is i think extraordinary is tneyre what is i think extraordinary is theyre choosing what is i think extraordinary is theyre choosing the covid inquiry theyre choosing the covid inquiry io theyre choosing the covid inquiry to go theyre choosing the covid inquiry to go and do it. If they wont inquiry to go and do it. If they wont ro inquiry to go and do it. If they want to review inquiry to go and do it. If they want to review how whatsapp is used want to review how whatsapp is useei in want to review how whatsapp is used in government and then do so , pur used in government and then do so , our eonr used in government and then do so , but dont hold used in government and then do so , but dont hold up the covid so, but dont hold up the covid inquiry so, but dont hold up the covid inquiry to so, but dont hold up the covid inquiry to actually so, but dont hold up the covid inquiry to actually to actually prowe inquiry to actually to actually prove your inquiry to actually to actually prove your point. Inquiry to actually to actually prove your point. So as i say, i kind prove your point. So as i say, i kind or prove your point. So as i say, i kind of understand why theyve enosen kind of understand why theyve enosen tnis kind of understand why theyve chosen this hill kind of understand why theyve chosen this hill to die on and it ir chosen this hill to die on and it it is chosen this hill to die on and it it is actually chosen this hill to die on and it it is actually an chosen this hill to die on and it it is actually an insult to ine it it is actually an insult to ine nririsn it it is actually an insult to the British Public who wants some answer the British Public who wants some answer. The British Public who wants some answer. Others who want some answer. Others who want iessons some answer. Others who want Lessons Learned some answer. Others who want Lessons Learned from this inquiry, Lessons Learned from this inquiry, wno Lessons Learned from this inquiry, who want to make sure not inquiry, who want to make sure not nor inquiry, who want to make sure not not in inquiry, who want to make sure not not it o inquiry, who want to make sure that that if a new inquiry, who want to make sure that that if a new pandemic strikes that that if a new pandemic strikes, were that that if a new pandemic strikes, were an that that if a new pandemic strikes, were an awful lot safer strikes, were an awful lot soier rnon strikes, were an awful lot safer than we strikes, were an awful lot safer than we were during the iosi safer than we were during the iosi one safer than we were during the iosi safer than we were during the last one. Yeah, safer than we were during the last one. \ 91 4 last one. Yeah, nigel, i think its speaking a lot of common sense there. A lot of people just want to know the answer to bafic just want to know the answer to basic questions. Why did you lock us down so many times . Why do you follow science which do you follow the science which actually proven to wrong . Actually was proven to be wrong . Why you introduce mask why do you introduce mask mandates . The mandates . Why do you destroy the economy . You put £500 economy . Why do you put £500 billion furlough billion into the furlough scheme, much of has been scheme, much of which has been withheld . Want proper withheld . We want proper answers. Instead, weve got this theatre with theatre of messing around with whatsapp. What about this whatsapp. And what about this line boriss old phone . So line about boriss old phone . So hes now claiming he changed phones and the messages only date back to april 20th, 21. Anyway is that a valid point or is boris kind of filibustering on this one . Do you think . No, actually , i think that boris actually, i think that Boris Johnson is playing a blinder on this one, that he said all along that hes perfectly happy for all the material that was collected over covid to be made available to the inquiry and unredacted. Now, available to the inquiry and unredacted. Now, the phone unredacted. Now, the phone tne unredacted. Now, the phone issue, the phone 11 1 now, the phone issue, the phone issue came up yesterday issue, the phone issue came up yesrenioy wnen issue, the phone issue came up yesterday when the Cabinet Office yesterday when the Cabinet Office wrote yesterday when the Cabinet Office wrote to yesterday when the Cabinet Office wrote to the chair of the inquiry, office wrote to the chair of the inquiry, neuiner office wrote to the chair of the inquiry, Heather Hallett , and inquiry, Heather Hallett, and spiri inquiry, Heather Hallett, and spin rnor inquiry, Heather Hallett, and said that theyve got boris yonnsons said that theyve got Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages from apri johnsons whatsapp messages from aprii zi johnsons whatsapp messages from aprii zi pur johnsons whatsapp messages from apni or, our nor johnsons whatsapp messages from april 21, but not from the first year april 21, but not from the first year or april 21, but not from the first year of ne april 21, but not from the first year of the pandemic. Now, the reason for that year of the pandemic. Now, the reason for that was that boris yonnson reason for that was that boris yonnson ws reason for that was that Boris Johnson was in reason for that was that Boris Johnson was in insisted on using his johnson was in insisted on using nis on johnson was in insisted on using nis oin johnson was in insisted on using his own old phone johnson was in insisted on using his own old phone rather than a qovernneni his own old phone rather than a government issued his own old phone rather than a government issued phone. And his old government issued phone. And his oiq pnones government issued phone. And his old phones phone government issued phone. And his old phones phone number was known old phones phone number was known ro old phones phone number was known to most old phones phone number was known to most of old phones phone number was known to most of us because it now known to most of us because it not appeared known to most of us because it not appeared on known to most of us because it had appeared on a known to most of us because it had appeared on a press release somewhere here. Had appeared on a press release somewhere here. So as a result of nap, somewhere here. So as a result of pin, ne somewhere here. So as a result of that, he that somewhere here. So as a result of that, he that he somewhere here. So as a result of that, he that he that his old pnone of that, he that he that his old pnone ws of that, he that he that his old pnone es of that, he that he that his old phone was was closed down. It remains locked phone was was closed down. It remains locked. Phone was was closed down. It remains locked. Thats where the remains locked. Thats where the wneisripp remains locked. Thats where the whatsapp messages are are. But nons whatsapp messages are are. But noris yonnson whatsapp messages are are. But Boris Johnson says, whatsapp messages are are. But Boris Johnson says, look, if the security Boris Johnson says, look, if the security peopte Boris Johnson says, look, if the security people can unlock it enri security people can unlock it end ineres security people can unlock it and theres nothing there thats confidential and theres nothing there thats confidential , and theres nothing there thats confidential, im and theres nothing there thats confidential , im perfectly confidential, im perfectly happy confidential, im perfectly neppyror confidential, im perfectly happy for that confidential, im perfectly happy for that to be made eveiiepie happy for that to be made available to happy for that to be made available to the inquiry. E available to the inquiry. Is it available to the inquiry. Is it e question. Available to the inquiry. Is it a question, do available to the inquiry. Is it a question, do you available to the inquiry. Is it a question, do you think , of a question, do you think, of clever politics here, nigel . You know, boris is saying, well, im fine with it, you know, have a look at the whole lot. But hes handedit look at the whole lot. But hes handed it to rishi sunak and now hes making this a problem for rishi. And will do rishi. And will that, do you think, feeling think, underline the feeling certainly amongst the johnsonites the johnsonites and many of the pubuc johnsonites and many of the public that rishi public out there that rishi stabbed boris in the back before . And will do the same before . And will he do the same again putting this again by putting this information trap again by putting this inforn now1 trap again by putting this inforn now . Yes. Trap again by putting this inforn now . Yes. Martin again by putting this inforn now . Yes. Martin youre boris now . Yes. Martin youre epsoiureiy boris now . Yes. Martin youre absolutely right. \7 yes. Martin youre absolutely right. Politics plays absolutely right. Politics plays e nuqe absolutely right. Politics plays e nuqe pen absolutely right. Politics plays e nuqe pen in absolutely right. Politics plays a huge part in this. One wonders wnet a huge part in this. One wonders wnei nons a huge part in this. One wonders what Boris Johnson a huge part in this. One wonders what Boris Johnson has to say epoui what Boris Johnson has to say epour kisni what Boris Johnson has to say about rishi sunak in some of the wnersepps about rishi sunak in some of the wnersepps on about rishi sunak in some of the whatsapps on his about rishi sunak in some of the whatsapps on his phone. And it may whatsapps on his phone. And it rney weii whatsapps on his phone. And it ney weii pe whatsapps on his phone. And it may well be that whatsapps on his phone. And it may well be that Boris Johnson is noi may well be that Boris Johnson is not unneppy may well be that Boris Johnson is not unhappy for may well be that Boris Johnson is not unhappy for something iike is not unhappy for Something Like something is not unhappy for Something Like something derogatory about the like something derogatory about ine nine like something derogatory about the Prime Minister to actually out. So the Prime Minister to actually come out. So yes, the Prime Minister to actually come out. So yes, i think there is e come out. So yes, i think there is e poiirieei come out. So yes, i think there is a political game come out. So yes, i think there is a political game being played nee is a political game being played nere py is a political game being played nere iy nons is a political game being played here by Boris Johnson, but in ieirness here by Boris Johnson, but in ieirness ro here by Boris Johnson, but in fairness to him here by Boris Johnson, but in fairness to him that the essenriei fairness to him that the essential point here is the inquiry. Essential point here is the inquiry. Ine essential point here is the inquiry. The government promised rorei inquiry. The government promised total transparency inquiry. The government promised total transparency , inquiry. The government promised total transparency , and that is total transparency, and that is wnet total transparency, and that is what heather total transparency, and that is what Heather Hallett expects. Nons what Heather Hallett expects. Boris johnson what Heather Hallett expects. Boris johnson says hes prepared to give Boris Johnson says hes prepared to give ir Boris Johnson says hes prepared to give it es Boris Johnson says hes prepared to give it as far Boris Johnson says hes prepared to give it as far as Boris Johnson says hes prepared to give it as far as hes concerned. So to give it as far as hes concerned. So the ball is now in kisni concerned. So the ball is now in kisni suneks concerned. So the ball is now in rishi sunaks court concerned. So the ball is now in rishi sunaks court. Concerned. So the ball is now in rishi sunaks court. Why hes rishi sunaks court. Why hes trying rishi sunaks court. Why hes trying ro rishi sunaks court. Why hes trying to sover rishi sunaks court. Why hes trying to cover things up. Trying to cover things up. Okey. Trying to cover things up. Okey, wipe. Trying to cover things up. Okay, nigel, really trying to cover things up. Okay, nigel, really good to see you this morning. Thank you very much. Superb update. Lets bring you up much. Superb update. Lets bring you up ro much. Superb update. Lets bring you up to oere much. Superb update. Lets bring you up to date now 11. It1 superb update. Lets bring you up to date now with the ornen you up to date now with the one piq you up to date now with the other big stories you up to date now with the other big stories of the day. other big stories of the day. A man arrested other big stories of the day. A man arrested following other big stories of the day. A man arrested following the deaths of two youngsters of bournemouth beach has been released under investigation. An released under investigation. An a 12 Year Old Girl from buckinghamshire and a 17 year old boy from southampton died after being pulled from the sea on wednesday afternoon. Eight others were treated for non life threatening injuries. Others were treated for non life threatening injuries. And almost threatening injuries. And almost 35,000 more patients a month are waiting longer than two weeks for a Cancer Hospital appointment. Thats according to reboun appointment. Thats according to iepour tner appointment. Thats according to labour that says appointment. Thats according to labour that says the thats according to labour that says the longer wens labour that says the longer weirs een labour that says the longer waits can no labour that says the longer waits can no longer be blamed on sovie waits can no longer be blamed on covip penqenie waits can no longer be blamed on covid pandemic backlogs. A government covid pandemic backlogs. A government Spokesman Says the uns government Spokesman Says the nus is government Spokesman Says the nhs is recruiting government Spokesman Says the nhs is recruiting a record numero nhs is recruiting a record nurnerp oi nhs is recruiting a Record Number of doctors and nurses and investing number of doctors and nurses and investing en number of doctors and nurses and investing an extra number of doctors and nurses and investing an extra £456 number of doctors and nurses and investing an extra £45. 6 billion investing an extra £456 billion inro investing an extra £456 billion into neeirn investing an extra £456 billion into health and investing an extra £456 billion into health and social care. Nrieisn into health and social care. British airways into health and social care. British airways has into health and social care. British airways has been. Into health and social care. British airways has been fined almost £1 million by the Us Government over claims it failed to pay refunds for cancelled flights during the pandemic. The Us Transportation Department said it received more than 1200 complaints. British airways has refuted the claims, saying it acted lawfully at all times. And acted lawfully at all times. And acted lawfully at all times. And a white house spokesperson says us President Joe Biden is fine after tripping over a sandbag and falling on stage at a Graduation Ceremony at the us air force academy. The 80 Year Air Force academy. The 80 year Old Air Force academy. The 80 year our president air force academy. The 80 year old president quickly 1 f f the 80 year old president quickly got back on nis old president quickly got back on nis teet old president quickly got back on his feet after old president quickly got back on his feet after being helped up by on his feet after being helped up by rnree on his feet after being helped up by three assistants. Lots up by three assistants. Lots of you up by three assistants. Lots of you qerrinq up by three assistants. Lots of you qerrinq in up by three assistants. Lots of you getting in touch with us tnis you getting in touch with us we morning. You getting in touch with us this morning. You getting in touch with us this morning. 111. It1 this morning. Thank you so much for your company. Were talking about Phillip Schofield. Hes done exclusive interview with done an exclusive interview with the saying, im the Sun Newspaper saying, im broken, ashamed, but im not broken, im ashamed, but im not a hes also spoken to a groomer. Hes also spoken to the bbc. Well eileen has been in touch and says Phillip Schofield once again in the headlines, this egotistical man is not that important. He doesnt deserve the publicity. Hes just realising that his career is over and hes going to lose the millions of pounds that hes earned this year. Its his wife and daughters that i feel sorry for. No compassion or empathy to anyone on that show. Always a pained expression from holly as well. Who is the nearest to an understanding look that she could give to philip. Of course, on gb news, we could give to philip. Of course, on gb news, we always f 9 e of course, on gb news, we always like to give on gb news, we always like to give porn on gb news, we always like to give porntne on gb news, we always like to give both the opinion, give both sides of the opinion, enq give both sides of the opinion, endone give both sides of the opinion, andone really give both sides of the opinion, and one really has divided and this one really has divided the and this one really has divided tneenq and this one really has divided tneend wno and this one really has divided theand who is and this one really has divided the and who is saying the nation and who is saying nee, the nation and who is saying here,morning. The nation and who is saying here, morning. As former here, good morning. As a former nerionei here, good morning. As a former nepenei here, good morning. As a former nepe supponeq here, good morning. As a former na be supported as here, good morning. As a former na be supported as well as the to be supported as well as the young to be supported as well as the young boy. To be supported as well as the young boy. I to be supported as well as the young boy. I cannot imagine the pressure tney young boy. I cannot imagine the pressure they are young boy. I cannot imagine the pressure they are both under. So reeiiy pressure they are both under. So reeiiy qerrinq pressure they are both under. So really getting people divided on this really getting people divided on we one really getting people divided on we eeriy really getting people divided on this one early out really getting people divided on this one early out there. 14 11 this one early out there. Yeah, it this one early out there. Yeah, n eerieiniy this one early out there. Yeah, n eerieiniy is. This one early out there. Yeah, it certainly is. And also lots of you getting in touch on the train strikes today. Say robin says, i presume that sadiq khan, the london mayor, will suspend all parking restriction and any ulez charges around wembley as fans are forced into travelling by car due to the rail strike. I can detect your cynicism there , iootin i can detect your cynicism there , robin, because i can detect your cynicism there , robin, because i i can detect your cynicism there , robin, because i too share if seqiq , robin, because i too share if seqiq knen , robin, because i too share if sadiq khan does , robin, because i too share if sadiq khan does that, then sureiy sadiq khan does that, then sureiy ne sadiq khan does that, then surely he must sadiq khan does that, then surely he must also believe in sente surely he must also believe in santa andrew surely he must also believe in santa andrew says good morning. Im santa andrew says good morning. In nevinq santa andrew says good morning. In nevinq ro santa andrew says good morning. In nevinq to fly santa andrew says good morning. Im having to fly down from manchester im having to fly down from manchester tomorrow for the cup iinei manchester tomorrow for the cup rinei. Manchester tomorrow for the cup rinei. So manchester tomorrow for the cup final. So thats manchester tomorrow for the cup final. So thats a manchester tomorrow for the cup final. So thats a huge impact on tne final. So thats a huge impact on the carbon final. So thats a huge impact on the Carbon Footprint and of tne on the Carbon Footprint and of course the cost. On the Carbon Footprint and of course the cost. But the cost of iivinq course the cost. But the cost of living challenges, course the cost. But the cost of living challenges, is the living challenges, that is the iesi living challenges, that is the iesi ininq living challenges, that is the iesi rninq i living challenges, that is the last thing i need added expense for last thing i need added expense ione last thing i need added expense nore ticker last thing i need added expense fora ticket price last thing i need added expense for a ticket price and for with a ticket price and iiians for with a ticket price and items, is for with a ticket price and flights, its costing pretty flights, its costing a pretty penny. Flights, its costing a pretty penny. I flights, its costing a pretty penny. Iir flights, its costing a pretty penny. Ink is. Flights, its costing a pretty penny. I it is. Andrew and i penny. I bet it is. Andrew and i nope penny. I bet it is. Andrew and i nope you penny. I bet it is. Andrew and i nope you neve penny. I bet it is. Andrew and i hope you have good day. Hope you have a good day. Despite hope you have a good day. Despiteoi hope you have a good day. Despiteof the hope you have a good day. Despite of the barriers despite all of the barriers rnrown despite all of the barriers rnrown in despite all of the barriers thrown in your despite all of the barriers thrown in your way. E thrown in your way. But it is tner thrown in your way. But it is that additional cost isnt it . I mean, if you need to get somewhere, you will have pay somewhere, you will have to pay for mean, ive seen on for it. I mean, ive seen on social people has social media people saying has anybody driving to anybody is anybody driving to surrey anyone driving to surrey or is anyone driving to bournemouth . Theyve got plans for weekend. Got to for this weekend. Theyve got to be for wedding be there perhaps for a wedding or theyll to or something. Theyll have to pay or something. Theyll have to pay for taxis. Yeah. Or hire a car. I mean its the additional cost, says, a cost cost, as andrew says, in a cost of crisis, its very of living crisis, its very difficult people. And difficult for people. And i suspect i suspect a lot of likely lads and ladies will be making journey ahead. Making the journey a day ahead. Theyll today. I think theyll be down today. I think weresee a very were going to see a very viprent were going to see a very vibrant, shall were going to see a very vibrant, shall we say, and reiresneq vibrant, shall we say, and refreshed Trafalgar Square later onin refreshed Trafalgar Square later onin london. Refreshed Trafalgar Square later on in london. � vfiviiz4e on today in london. Well, of course, were talking about this because being because Train Services are being hit strike action this hit by more strike action this week rmt members will walk week as rmt members will walk out that running dispute out in that long running dispute over jobs, pay and conditions out in that long running dispute overit bs, pay and conditions out in that long running dispute overit comes and conditions out in that long running dispute overit comes after conditions out in that long running dispute overit comes after members; out in that long running dispute overit comes after members of and it comes after members of aslef on wednesday, aslef walked out on wednesday, meaning several operators were running trains. Well, running no trains. Well, a friend the program and travel friend of the program and travel correspondent calder , correspondent simon calder, spoke live from stansted spoke to us live from Stansted Airport earlier this morning. He had this to say. Leave simon that you are at Stansted Airport right now , which is very, very right now, which is very, very sick. Significant because this sick. Significant because this week weve seen pictures and photos of people actually sleeping on the floor there due to these train strikes. Well, to these train strikes. Well, its been pretty miserable. And, yes, ive just been passed sieepinq and, yes, ive just been passed some sleeping passengers, all very some sleeping passengers, all very iiveiy some sleeping passengers, all very lively here. Some sleeping passengers, all very lively here. So, yeah , very lively here. So, yeah, very, very lively here. So, yeah, very, very very lively here. So, yeah, very, very busy very lively here. So, yeah, very, very busy morning. Staffs reiiinq very, very busy morning. Staffs reiiinq ne very, very busy morning. Staffs telling me that very, very busy morning. Staffs telling me that things are back to pre telling me that things are back to pre sovie telling me that things are back to pre covid levels , but nobody to pre covid levels, but nobody i to pre covid levels, but nobody i een to pre covid levels, but nobody i can guarantee to pre covid levels, but nobody i can guarantee of to pre covid levels, but nobody i can guarantee of the thousands of i can guarantee of the thousands or pessenqers i can guarantee of the thousands of passengers who i can guarantee of the thousands of passengers who are here tony, of passengers who are here today, boarding of passengers who are here today, boarding flights which peqen today, boarding flights which peqen in today, boarding flights which peqen in ne today, boarding flights which began in the past half hour or so, began in the past half hour or nobody began in the past half hour or nopoqy qor began in the past half hour or so, nobody got here by train tnis so, nobody got here by train rnis morning so, nobody got here by train this morning because the first qoesni this morning because the first one doesnt arrive until 8 am. St, one doesnt arrive until 8 am. So, yeen one doesnt arrive until 8 am. So, yeen, peopte one doesnt arrive until 8 am. So, yeah, people came up last nignt so, yeah, people came up last nian, skept so, yeah, people came up last nian, step on so, yeah, people came up last night, slept on the floor, and tneres night, slept on the floor, and theres been night, slept on the floor, and theres been repeats of that son theres been repeats of that son or theres been repeats of that sort of scene theres been repeats of that sort of scene in theres been repeats of that sort of scene in gatwick at iuron sort of scene in gatwick at luton, birmingham, Manchester Airport luton, birmingham, Manchester Airport. Luton, birmingham, Manchester Airport. So luton, birmingham, Manchester Airport. So todays strike, yes, airport. So todays strike, yes, it reeks airport. So todays strike, yes, it ieeis es airport. So todays strike, yes, it feels as though airport. So todays strike, yes, it feels as though youre rail ricket it feels as though youre rail ticket is it feels as though youre rail ticket is e it feels as though youre rail ticket is a Lottery Ticket , but ticket is a Lottery Ticket, but its ticket is a Lottery Ticket, but us nor ticket is a Lottery Ticket, but its not actually ticket is a Lottery Ticket, but its not actually any. The more its not actually any. The more siqniiieeni its not actually any. The more significant than its not actually any. The more significant than previous rmt strikes significant than previous rmt strikes is significant than previous rmt strikes is causing lots of oeneqe, strikes is causing lots of damage, none strikes is causing lots of damage, none of it in wales or seoiienq damage, none of it in wales or scotland, where damage, none of it in wales or scotland, where transport for trees scotland, where transport for vveies enq scotland, where transport for wales and scotland are running norneiiy wales and scotland are running norneiiy, pui wales and scotland are running normally, but it wales and scotland are running normally, but it will be having an normally, but it will be having en eiieei normally, but it will be having en effect on normally, but it will be having an effect on the normally, but it will be having an effect on the main long qisrenee an effect on the main Long Distance operators as well as tne distance operators as well as the commuter distance operators as well as the commuter services. But its tomorrow , saturday, the 3rd of tomorrow, saturday, the 3rd of june tomorrow, saturday, the 3rd of tune cup tomorrow, saturday, the 3rd of tune cup rinei tomorrow, saturday, the 3rd of june cup final day. Epsom derby day june cup final day. Epsom derby qey wnen june cup final day. Epsom derby qey wnen its june cup final day. Epsom derby day when its really going to neve day when its really going to neve en day when its really going to have an effect. Day when its really going to have an effect. The train driver is peionqinq have an effect. The train driver is peionqinq ro have an effect. The train driver is belonging to aslef actually neve is belonging to aslef actually neve nucn is belonging to aslef actually have much more is belonging to aslef actually have much more of an impact. And have much more of an impact. And as have much more of an impact. And es e resuir have much more of an impact. And es e resuir oi have much more of an impact. And as a result of that, have much more of an impact. And as a result of that, if have much more of an impact. And as a result of that, if you are nopinq as a result of that, if you are nopinq ro as a result of that, if you are hoping to travel as a result of that, if you are hoping to travel tomorrow, well , gooe hoping to travel tomorrow, well , qooq iuek. Hoping to travel tomorrow, well , good luck. Unless youre lucky enouqn , good luck. Unless youre lucky enouqn ro , good luck. Unless youre lucky enouqn io iive , good luck. Unless youre lucky enough to live in , good luck. Unless youre lucky enough to live in wales or scorienq enough to live in wales or scorienq. Enough to live in wales or scotland. Okay, enough to live in wales or scotland. 4 enough to live in wales or scotland. Okay, so well keep it scotland. Okay, so well keep it quick cause i understand youre actually on the to get your actually on the way to get your flight there. You got your duty. Freeze hand, no doubt. Freeze in your hand, no doubt. But look, timing this but look, the timing of this seems extremely cynical, very dubious. And dubious. Obviously. Aslef. And no , no fans sport. Its going no, no fans of sport. Its going to be bedlam for Manchester United and man city fans trying to get down from manchester to london. Is the public getting really fed up with this now . Really fed up with this now . Oh, yes, absolutely. Because its oh, yes, absolutely. Because its no oh, yes, absolutely. Because its now almost oh, yes, absolutely. Because its now almost a oh, yes, absolutely. Because its now almost a year. It was midsummers its now almost a year. It was midsummers day, 2022 when the first midsummers day, 2022 when the first nerionei midsummers day, 2022 when the First National rail midsummers day, 2022 when the First National rail strikes for sine First National rail strikes for tne First National rail strikes for since the 1980s First National rail strikes for since the 1980s began. And eveoryne since the 1980s began. And everyone thought, oh, well, it viii everyone thought, oh, well, it wiii pe everyone thought, oh, well, it wiii pe ove everyone thought, oh, well, it will be over by everyone thought, oh, well, it will be over by christmas. And of ir will be over by christmas. And of course it wasnt. And i reikeq of course it wasnt. And i reikeq io of course it wasnt. And i talked to mick of course it wasnt. And i talked to mick whelan, the boss of ine talked to mick whelan, the boss of ine nein talked to mick whelan, the boss of the train drivers talked to mick whelan, the boss of the train drivers union, askin of the train drivers union, asirr, enq of the train drivers union, aslef, and he of the train drivers union, aslef, and he says , were no aslef, and he says, were no eoseni aslef, and he says, were no eoseni any aslef, and he says, were no closer. Any kind aslef, and he says, were no closer. Any kind of settlement, pesieeiiy closer. Any kind of settlement, pesieeiiy. Closer. Any kind of settlement, pesieeiiy , we closer. Any kind of settlement, basically , we want a decent cash basically, we want a decent cash io basically, we want a decent cash io neke basically, we want a decent cash io neke up basically, we want a decent cash rise to make up for basically, we want a decent cash rise to make up for the fact tner rise to make up for the fact rner we rise to make up for the fact that we havent rise to make up for the fact that we havent had a pay rise for o that we havent had a pay rise for s or that we havent had a pay rise for s or n that we havent had a pay rise for 3 or 4 years. That we havent had a pay rise for 3 or 4 years. We worked all tne for 3 or 4 years. We worked all ine wey for 3 or 4 years. We worked all the way through for 3 or 4 years. We worked all the way through covid and we eonr the way through covid and we eonr went the way through covid and we eonr weni eny the way through covid and we dont want any strings attached. Very dont want any strings attached. Verymesseqe dont want any strings attached. Very message from the very similar message from the kni very similar message from the tour very similar message from the rmt union. The very similar message from the rmt union. The government, meanne rmt union. The government, meanwhile, says rmt union. The government, meanwhile, says youve got to be poking. Meanwhile, says youve got to be iokinq. Ine meanwhile, says youve got to be iokinq. Ine rei meanwhile, says youve got to be joking. The rail finances are a eonpiere joking. The rail finances are a complete disaster. After joking. The rail finances are a complete disaster. After after complete disaster. After after sovie complete disaster. After after covin you complete disaster. After after covip you een complete disaster. After after covid you can have a modest increase, but covid you can have a modest increase, but youre only qerrinq increase, but youre only qerrinq iner increase, but youre only getting that if increase, but youre only getting that if you agree to productivity getting that if you agree to productivity increases. Productivity increases. Meanwhile, productivity increases. Meanwhile, poor old passengers stuck meanwhile, poor old passengers stuck in meanwhile, poor old passengers stuck in ne meanwhile, poor old passengers stuck in the middle. Its iookinq stuck in the middle. Its looking increasingly as though you sinpiy looking increasingly as though you simply cannot trust the reiiweys you simply cannot trust the reiiweys io you simply cannot trust the railways to get you simply cannot trust the railways to get you where you need railways to get you where you need to railways to get you where you need to ioe. Railways to get you where you need to be. And railways to get you where you need to be. And of course, tens of rnousenqs need to be. And of course, tens of thousands of need to be. And of course, tens of thousands of city and united tens of thousands of city and united fans tomorrow of thousands of city and united fans tomorrow will of thousands of city and united fans tomorrow will be travelling by coeen fans tomorrow will be travelling by coach instead fans tomorrow will be travelling by coach instead because of enri vvesr by coach instead because of anti west coast by coach instead because of anti west coast will not be able to reke anti west coast will not be able to reke rnen anti west coast will not be able to take them from anti west coast will not be able to take them from manchester to ionqon. To take them from manchester to ionqon. Okey. To take them from manchester to london. Okay. Simon to take them from manchester to london. london. Okay. Simon calder, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed at Stansted Airport. We better let you go catch your plane. Thank you very much. Its such an action man, much. Its such an action man, isnt he . Hes always on the iron isnt he . Hes always on the front iine isnt he . Hes always on the front line with isnt he . Hes always on the front line with his e1i1 7 hes always on the front line with his selfie stick, front line with his selfie sriek, tusr front line with his selfie stick, just getting all the information stick, just getting all the information for us. I love him to pits. Information for us. I love him to pits. Reen information for us. I love him to bits. Yeah he information for us. I love him to bits. Yeah he is information for us. I love him to bits. Yeah he is brilliant, tnougn to bits. Yeah he is brilliant, rnouqnlno to bits. Yeah he is brilliant, though. Idowith to bits. Yeah he is brilliant, though. Idowith us. I to bits. Yeah he is brilliant, though. Idowith us. You are though. Do stay with us. You are watching news, news watching gb news, britains news channel. Still to come, the famous epsom derby race starts today is sport safe for today. But is the sport safe for horses . And well be hearing from the chief executive of the jockey club , Nevin Truesdale, jockey club, Nevin Truesdale, and spokesman for animal and the spokesman for animal rising, louisa hill wood, right after this. Welcome back. You are watching and welcome back. You are watching enq iisreninq welcome back. You are watching enq iisreninq ro welcome back. You are watching and listening to breakfast with menin and listening to breakfast with iienin enq and listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. 4 martin and ellie. Still lots to come in the program. Im broken come in the program. Im broken and ashamed , but not a groomer. And ashamed, but not a groomer. Philip schofield speaks to the media for the first time. Well have the latest. And remember to have the latest. And remember to get in have the latest. And remember to get in rouen have the latest. And remember to get in touch with have the latest. And remember to get in touch with us have the latest. And remember to get in touch with us all and remember to get in touch with us all the usuei get in touch with us all the usuei weys. Get in touch with us all the usual ways. Gb get in touch with us all the usual ways. Gb views at gb news. Com or of course usual ways. Gb views at gb news. Com or of course on usual ways. Gb views at gb news. Com or of course on twitter at on. Com or of course on twitter at on news. Com or of course on twitter at on news. Rep. Com or of course on twitter at on news. Rep. Com or of course on twitter at gb news. Yep. Lots. Com or of course on twitter at gb news. Yep. Lots of you getting in touch this morning. Karen says on the Phillip Schofield interview shoes and his exclusive with the Sun Newspaper. The people i feel newspaper. The people i feel most sorry for here is phils wife and children. Fiona says, wife and children. Fiona says, im sorry, but philips schofield has brought this on himself. I schofield has brought this on himself. I wonder, would it have ever come out if his brother hadnt ever come out if his brother hadnt been charged . Yeah. And poorly. You hadnt been charged . Yeah. And pooriy. You know, hadnt been charged . Yeah. And poorly. You know, quite 11 11 e 11 f 9 7 yeah. And poorly. You know, quite cynical eke, poorly. You know, quite cynical reke, pur poorly. You know, quite cynical reke, our one poorly. You know, quite cynical take, but one i poorly. You know, quite cynical take, but one i think many peopie take, but one i think many peopie viii take, but one i think many people will share watching schofields people will share watching schofields interview. I could noi schofields interview. I could not peiieve schofields interview. I could not believe a schofields interview. I could not believe a single word he was seyinq not believe a single word he was seyinq. Not believe a single word he was seyinq , sue not believe a single word he was seyinq , sue seys. Saying, sue says. Unfortunately, think he unfortunately, i think he thought would get pats on the thought he would get pats on the back and forgiveness for openly admitting. He didnt back and forgiveness for openly admithed. He didnt back and forgiveness for openly admithed lose. He didnt back and forgiveness for openly admithed lose his. He didnt back and forgiveness for openly admithed lose his job; didnt back and forgiveness for openly admithed lose his job. Carol,t think hed lose his job. Carol, this man has made enough money to have a wonderful life. Plus, his family love him. In my his family love him. In my opinion. I think hes pathetic to talk about ending his life. He should try living on nothing like so many people in the world at the moment. It really has divided at the moment. It really has divided everyone it really has divided everyone because he reeiiy divided everyone because he reeiiy nes divided everyone because he really has kind divided everyone because he really has kind of poured his neen really has kind of poured his neen our really has kind of poured his heart out here really has kind of poured his heart out here in really has kind of poured his heart out here in a full blown enenpr heart out here in a full blown enenpr er heart out here in a full blown attempt at public heart out here in a full blown attempt at public sympathy. Not attempt at public sympathy. Not wesninq attempt at public sympathy. Not wesninqe attempt at public sympathy. Not wesninqe iot attempt at public sympathy. Not washinga lot of attempt at public sympathy. Not washing a lot of people, washing with a lot of people, tnougn eiso washing with a lot of people, though. Also talking though. Yeah were also talking epour though. Yeah were also talking aboutclosure though. Yeah were also talking aboutclosure of though. Yeah were also talking about closure of fish about the closure of fish and snip about the closure of fish and skip snops. About the closure of fish and chip shops. about the closure of fish and chip shops. chip shops. Apparently half of britains are at risk britains chippies are at risk of closing by 2025 due to the cost of living crisis. Ian has cost of living crisis. Ian has beenin cost of living crisis. Ian has been in touch. Good morning to you. Saying a couple of years ago you could get fish and chips for around £3. Wow. So £12 for a family of four. Now they want £28 for a family of four. Most cant afford their chip, their chip supper anymore. Well, the one from gandhi chip supper anymore. Well, the one from gandhi here, it1 well, the one from gandhi here, not iieneine one from gandhi here, not mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. Id mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. To rust mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. To rust iike mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. No rust iike ro mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. Id just like to say, mahatma gandhi, of course. 76. Id just like to say, as a proud uonnerner id just like to say, as a proud uonnerner. Id just like to say, as a proud northerner , we id just like to say, as a proud northerner , we are having fish northerner, we are having fish enri northerner, we are having fish enq cnips northerner, we are having fish enq enips ion northerner, we are having fish and chips for our northerner, we are having fish and chips for our tea tonight. Wise and chips for our tea tonight. Nice one and chips for our tea tonight. Nice one. Gandhi and chips for our tea tonight. Nice one. Gandhi kyiv that rriqey nice one. Gandhi kyiv that rnqey isn nice one. Gandhi kyiv that friday fish feeling alive. The friday fish feeling alive. The ieous friday fish feeling alive. The famous epsom friday fish feeling alive. The famous epsom festival kicks off ioeiey famous epsom festival kicks off an, out famous epsom festival kicks off roqey, our tne famous epsom festival kicks off today, but the Animal Rights group today, but the Animal Rights qroup kninei today, but the Animal Rights Group Animal Rising , who Group Animal Rising, who disrupted Group Animal Rising, who disrupted the Group Animal Rising, who disrupted the grand national if you ernernerp disrupted the grand national if you rernernerp. Disrupted the grand national if you remember , are now planning you remember, are now planning to neit you remember, are now planning to neir tnis you remember, are now planning to halt this weekends derby, roo. To halt this weekends derby, roo. Vein to halt this weekends derby, too. Wet it to halt this weekends derby, too. Well, it comes to halt this weekends derby, too. � vfivii 4 e f to halt this weekends derby, too. E too. Well, it comes after the jockey club were granted a High Court Injunction in a bid to prevent protesters from disrupting the races. Were joined now by the chief executive of the jockey club, nevin Nevin Truesdale. Good nevin Nevin Truesdale. Good morning to you, nevin. \ii1 i 11 \ii1 i 11 good morning to you, nevin. So lets sien morning to you, nevin. So lets sren ori morning to you, nevin. So lets sren or win morning to you, nevin. So lets start off with you morning to you, nevin. So lets start off with you , morning to you, nevin. So lets start off with you , if we could. Start off with you, if we could. Are start off with you, if we could. Are you start off with you, if we could. Are you expect start off with you, if we could. Are you expect causing disruption . Are you expect causing disruption . What do you have in piece disruption . What do you have in pieee ro disruption . What do you have in piece to stop disruption . What do you have in place to stop it . Disruption . What do you have in place to stop it . But more to ine place to stop it . But more to ine pane, place to stop it . But more to the point, will place to stop it . But more to the point, will race goers face tne the point, will race goers face ine rese the point, will race goers face ine peinq the point, will race goers face the race being delayed, as we witn the race being delayed, as we wirn tne the race being delayed, as we saw with the grand national . Saw with the grand national . Wen, saw with the grand national . Wen, first saw with the grand national . Well, first of saw with the grand national . Well, first of all, saw with the grand national . Well, first of all, martin, rnenk well, first of all, martin, inenk you well, first of all, martin, thank you for well, first of all, martin, thank you for having me on. 1i thank you for having me on. And just thank you for having me on. And iusr ro thank you for having me on. And rust to conne thank you for having me on. And rust to ro thank you for having me on. And just to come to the thank you for having me on. And just to come to the first thank you for having me on. And just to come to the first part of your question first. Yes, as youd expect that any major sporting event there would be significant security in place and crowd control ultimately for peoples and the derby peoples safety and the derby festival, one of the biggest sporting landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair to say, is no different to that. Of course, this year were facing the threat of illegal and disruptive protests. And lets be clear that they are illegal. We have put in extra security presence that youd expect working with surrey police, working with surrey police, working with surrey police, working with our Security Partners , extra fencing around partners, extra fencing around the site, which is a huge shame because it is going to impact the viewing of some people who are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch the derby for free in the middle of the downs and accessibility to that still be there, but that will still be there, but it will be will be will be there will be restrictions around that in terms are getting terms of how people are getting in of the in and these are some of the sacrifices weve had to make because of the very clear and present and threat that present and illegal threat that were facing terms your were facing in terms of your your question about delay, your question about the delay, we there will be your question about the delay, we delay there will be your question about the delay, we delay to there will be your question about the delay, we delay to the there will be your question about the delay, we delay to the th tomorrow. No delay to the race tomorrow. The high injunction was the High Court Injunction was taken for a reason. Ellie taken out for a reason. Ellie rightly mentioned that in the introduction done rightly mentioned that in the introto ction done rightly mentioned that in the introto protect done rightly mentioned that in the introto protect the done rightly mentioned that in the introto protect the event, done rightly mentioned that in the introto protect the event, to ne that to protect the event, to protect the participants , protect the participants, including the horses and also to protect our own people from what would be an incredibly risky and disruptive event. And we obviously saw what happened at aintree. So we do not wish to see a repeat of that. Its also worth mentioning that we have offered an animal rising , have offered an animal rising, have accepted, and were very pleased that they have an area of the racecourse for legal protest. And of course we absolutely support that. Its important at that that point of view is put across and weve got no problem with that at all. But crossing the line to illegality, which could lead to fines and possible prison for people, is something that we utterly condemn. Okay, that we utterly condemn. Okay, nevin, well, stay with that we utterly condemn. Okay, nevin, well, stay with us. . 4i1 4 1 1 okay, nevin, well, stay with us. Stay on tne nevin, well, stay with us. Stay on no iine nevin, well, stay with us. Stay on the line because weve got iouise on the line because weve got louisa hill wood on the line because weve got louisa hill wood with us, whos a louisa hill wood with us, whos e spokesperson louisa hill wood with us, whos a spokesperson for louisa hill wood with us, whos a spokesperson for our animal kisinq a spokesperson for our animal kisinq. So a spokesperson for our animal rising. So weve a spokesperson for our animal rising. So weve just heard from nevin rising. So weve just heard from uevin tnere. Rising. So weve just heard from nevin there. There rising. So weve just heard from nevin there. There is going to be nevin there. There is going to ioe tner nevin there. There is going to ioe rner eee nevin there. There is going to be that area for nevin there. There is going to be that area for legal protest. Vviii be that area for legal protest. Vviii you be that area for legal protest. Wiii you ie be that area for legal protest. Will you be sticking to that er. Ee will you be sticking to that area . There will you be sticking to that area . There will will you be sticking to that area . There will be a Large Group Area . There will be a large qroup oi area . There will be a large group of people protesting out the group of people protesting out no ironr. Group of people protesting out the front. Yes. Group of people protesting out the front. Yes. And group of people protesting out the front. 14 5 1 the front. Yes. And everyone is welcome to join. Please come down. But just like in aintree , down. But just like in aintree, im sure there will be some people who are willing to step in, put their, you know, use their body to prevent harm from coming to these horses. Thats really what we want. We love animals. Want to protect them animals. We want to protect them as to start this as well as to start this conversation about how we use animals and how we exploit them and that align with and how that doesnt align with loving them. I mean, you talk tnere loving them. I mean, you talk rnere epoui loving them. I mean, you talk there about some 19 i mean, you talk there about some people may feel that there about some people may feel inei use there about some people may feel that use their that they want to use their bodies that they want to use their pooiies ro that they want to use their bodies to protest at the epsom deity. Bodies to protest at the epsom deity. I bodies to protest at the epsom penny. I een bodies to protest at the epsom penny. I. Bodies to protest at the epsom derby. I mean , nevin touched derby. I mean, nevin touched tnereupon derby. I mean, nevin touched inereupon nis derby. I mean, nevin touched thereupon his fear for the snow thereupon his fear for the sereiy or thereupon his fear for the safety of the thereupon his fear for the safety of the horses. And you safety of the horses. And you can understand safety of the horses. And you can understand that, right . You iove can understand that, right . You iove noses can understand that, right . You love horses, you can understand that, right . You love horses, you love animals, you love horses, you love animals, you eonr love horses, you love animals, you eonr went love horses, you love animals, you dont want to love horses, you love animals, you dont want to see them come to eny you dont want to see them come to eny non. You dont want to see them come to eny nern. Nur you dont want to see them come to any harm. But if you dont want to see them come to any harm. But if people are going to any harm. But if people are qoinq ro to any harm. But if people are qoinq to ie to any harm. But if people are going to be throwing themselves on a racecourse going to be throwing themselves on a racecourse thats going to spook enri on a racecourse thats going to spook end ir on a racecourse thats going to spook and it means spook the horses and it means tney spook the horses and it means tneyoone spook the horses and it means tneyoone ro spook the horses and it means they come to some they could come to some harm, war, they could come to some harm, war, iers they could come to some harm, war, ieis pe they could come to some harm, well, lets be clear they could come to some harm, well, lets be clear what neppeneoi well, lets be clear what neppeneq ei well, lets be clear what happened at aintree, for exenpie happened at aintree, for evenpie, er happened at aintree, for example, at grand national example, at the grand national ispeopie example, at the grand national ispeopie ineq example, at the grand national ispeople tried to example, at the grand national is people tried to enter is that people tried to enter tne epon is that people tried to enter the about 20 is that people tried to enter the about 20 minutes the racecourse about 20 minutes before inere the racecourse about 20 minutes before therenol before it started. There was no race there was no race happening. There was no risk to any risk to the horses or to any people. What do you say to people. What do you say to people who say the epsom derby, its for its the wrong place for a protest like this . Its not the grand National Protest like this . Its not the grand nationalis protest like this . Its not thei grand nationalis which protest like this . Its not the. Grand nationalis which is grand national which is which is gottne grand national which is which is qorine iunps grand national which is which is qorrne iunps. Its grand national which is which is got the jumps. Its a flat got all the jumps. Its a flat neok got all the jumps. Its a flat neokrner got all the jumps. Its a flat trackthat have got all the jumps. Its a flat track that have only track race that have only been rnree track race that have only been rnree oieerns track race that have only been three deaths since 2002. Is this the three deaths since 2002. Is this tne tne three deaths since 2002. Is this tne tne wronqi the wrong protest at the wrong time the wrong protest at the wrong time e the wrong protest at the wrong time e es the wrong protest at the wrong time e es we the wrong protest at the wrong time . As we know, the wrong protest at the wrong time . The wrong protest at the wrong time . As we know, a horse time . Well, as we know, a horse dies other in racing dies every other day in racing and the month of may, 20 and in the month of may, 20 horses died. And this is flat racing but horses dying, racing season. But horses dying, being killed in races is not the only problem. You know, they have to wear painful bits in their controls their mouth, which controls their mouth, which controls their whole body. Theyre whipped horses love whipped. You know, horses love to they dont love to to run, but they dont love to race. You know, having someone to run, but they dont love to racyouru know, having someone to run, but they dont love to racyour back w, having someone to run, but they dont love to racyour back whipping someone to run, but they dont love to racyour back whipping yomeone to run, but they dont love to racyour back whipping you of ne on your back whipping you of course, is. I wonder if we can bring course, is. I wonder if we can bring you course, is. I wonder if we can ping you peok course, is. I wonder if we can bring you back in, it. I i i wonder if we can bring you back in, nevin, now, at bring you back in, nevin, now, er tnis bring you back in, nevin, now, er rnis pan, bring you back in, nevin, now, at this point, would you like to responsi at this point, would you like to respondoi at this point, would you like to respond of some at this point, would you like to respond of some of those respond to some of some of those oonnenrsirs respond to some of some of those commentsits not respond to some of some of those comments its not just comments that its not just the eoiuei comments that its not just the eoiueioieern comments that its not just the actual death during actual danger of death during the actual danger of death during ine oe actual danger of death during the race itself, actual danger of death during the race itself, but its also tne the race itself, but its also no oruei the race itself, but its also the cruel treatment of horses wnippinq the cruel treatment of horses whippingand the cruel treatment of horses whipping and kicking them whipping them and kicking them all whipping them and kicking them eiioi whipping them and kicking them eiior pp whipping them and kicking them eiior irei all the rest of it . Yes, i wouit all the rest of it . Yes, i wouioi you. All the rest of it . Yes, i would, you. This would, martin, thank you. This spon would, martin, thank you. This sport nes would, martin, thank you. This sport nes never would, martin, thank you. This sport has never been would, martin, thank you. This sport has never been safer. These horses exist in order to race. And actually after their racing careers, they give a lot of pleasure to a lot of people. I mean, we can talk about that separately. But the things they do just in terms of helping Peoples Mental Health after their also incredibly their careers is also incredibly important. As to racing, we important. But as to racing, we have a moral obligation to look after these fantastic athletes who we see on the racetrack every day, who love to race. But the fatality rate in racing is a third lower than it was ten years ago, 99. 8 of horses come back from their races perfectly safe and sound. This is an industry thats invested 40 million over the last 20 years in welfare provision in relentless focus on making sure that the sport is made safer with each passing year and the statistics back that up, there hasnt been you mentioned, martin, there being three deaths in derby since 2002. There hasnt actually been a fatality in the derby since 2006. There is a phenomenally good Safety Record and the relentless focus of the racecourse officials, clerks of the course, stable staff , trainers is on making staff, trainers is on making sure these horses are fantastically well treated and looked after because without racing , they simply would not racing, they simply would not exist. Martin thats the fundamental flaw in animal racings arguments that ultimately the end of racing leads to the end of breeding of the thoroughbred, which leads ultimately to the extinction. That seems to be what animal rising are aiming at alongside using racing as a significant platform. And lets face it, it is a significant platform. Its the second most watched spectator sport in the country. It has over 100 days of live terrestrial tv coverage. And terrestrial tv coverage. And Nathan Mcgovern , one of louises Nathan Mcgovern, one of louises colleagues, effectively admitted this in an interview with leigh mottershead, Senior Writer of the racing post yesterday, where he basically said that actually its not really about Horse Welfare for animal rising. Its welfare for animal rising. Its about a bigger agenda , as indeed about a bigger agenda, as indeed louise has touched on, which effectively would mean the elimination of pets and the elimination of pets and the elimination of pets and the elimination of any Human Interaction with animals, which ultimately means animals not being cared for. Okay, louise , being cared for. Okay, louise, lets lets bring that back to you. Some really good points tnere you. Some really good points tnere mete you. Some really good points tnere nete ty some really good points there made by nevin. He says essentieiiy there made by nevin. He says essentially, if there made by nevin. He says essentially, if it there made by nevin. He says essentially, if it wasnt for noise essentially, if it wasnt for horse racing, essentially, if it wasnt for horse racing, then these horses wouitnt horse racing, then these horses wouldnt exist. Horse racing, then these horses wouldnt exist. They wouldnt be pret wouldnt exist. They wouldnt be tied in wouldnt exist. They wouldnt be tied in tne wouldnt exist. They wouldnt be bred in the first wouldnt exist. They wouldnt be bred in the first place that a noise bred in the first place that a noisediet bred in the first place that a horsedied at bred in the first place that a. Horsedied atderby horse hasnt died at the derby sioe horse hasnt died at the derby zoos horse hasnt died at the derby since 2006. He horse hasnt died at the derby since 2006. He says the sport nes since 2006. He says the sport has never been since 2006. He says the sport has never been safer. What do you has never been safer. What do youto has never been safer. What do youto tnet has never been safer. What do youto tnete has never been safer. What do youto that . Well, has never been safer. What do you to that . � vfivii 4 \ii1 i 11 you say to that . Well, nevin touched on a really touched on a few really important points, i firstly important points, and i firstly just want to say that i grew up alongside an animal, a chocolate labrador called chuka, and i loved and didnt have to loved him and he didnt have to do for me. Didnt do anything for me. He didnt have or earn me to have to serve me or earn me to money be worthy of that love. And i think its just a shame that, you know, with racehorses and with other and with animals in other industries system, Industries Like the food system, they to be worth money. They have to be worth money. They something for us they have to do something for us to you know, a life. To be worth, you know, a life. So is that what nevin is touoninq so is that what nevin is touching upon there . The bigger eqente touching upon there . The bigger eqenteneve touching upon there . The bigger eqenteneve. Touching upon there . The bigger agendahave , or touching upon there . The bigger agenda have , or do you agenda that you have, or do you not went agenda that you have, or do you not wentkeep agenda that you have, or do you not want keep pets . Not want people to keep pets . Pa, not want people to keep pets . To. Not not want people to keep pets . To. Not et not want people to keep pets . To. Not et eii. Not want people to keep pets . No, not at all. I not want people to keep pets . No, not at all. I definitely not want people to keep pets . No, not at all. I definitely see value in spending time with animals. You our shelters animals. You know, our shelters are overflowing and definitely if can an animal, if if you can adopt an animal, if you space for that in your you have space for that in your life, an amazing thing to life, its an amazing thing to do. But is not whats do. But that is not whats happening racehorses. As happening with racehorses. As nevin this racehorse is nevin said, if this racehorse is not earning money, then what happens to them . I mean , theyre happens to them . I mean, theyre killed. Well, they wouldnt be bred in the first place, is the point that he is making. But he also says that these 19 but he also says that these horses are iovet also says that these horses are iovet ty also says that these horses are iovet ty tne also says that these horses are loved by the jockeys. Theyre iovet loved by the jockeys. Theyre iovet ty loved by the jockeys. Theyre iovet ty tne loved by the jockeys. Theyre loved by the people who breed tnen loved by the people who breed tnen. Oere loved by the people who breed them. Care for loved by the people who breed them care for them them and care for them essentially. Them and care for them. Essentially. Horse essentially. They are horse ioves essentially. They are horse ioves too essentially. They are horse ioves too. Essentially. They are horse lovers, too , because thats the lovers, too, because thats the industry. Lovers, too, because thats the industry. Business lovers, too, because thats the industry. Business that industry. The business that tneyre industry. The business that tneyre in. Industry. The business that tneyre in. I industry. The business that theyre in. I i1 i1e industry. The business that theyre in. I i1 i1. I i i. Theyre in. I dont doubt that theyre in. I dont doubt that they love horses. I can see they do love horses. I can see that nevin does. I mean, i do as well. But the way that we are treating animals and not just horses, but, you know, animals, as in the food system as as i say, in the food system as well, is that how we show love for animals by saying that they have to serve and this have to serve us and have this particular know, to particular purpose, you know, to live out their lives . And louisa live out their lives . And louisa , where live out their lives . And louisa. Wnere to live out their lives . And louisa. Wnere to you live out their lives . And louisa , where do you draw live out their lives . And louisa , where do you draw the e 1 e 7 and louisa , where do you draw the line on on ieetnere , where do you draw the line on on leather . Unless , where do you draw the line on on leather . Unless youve got or. On leather . Unless youve got some nice dr. Martin boots on tnere some nice dr. Martin boots on tnere. Ee some nice dr. Martin boots on there, are they some nice dr. Martin boots on there, are they vegan or are tney there, are they vegan or are they leather . There, are they vegan or are they leather . Theyre vegan. Dr. Menin they leather . Theyre vegan. Dr. Iiertin vveii they leather . Theyre vegan. Dr. Martin well done. They leather . Theyre vegan. Dr. Martin well done. Thats meant to te martin well done. Thats meant to to e martin well done. Thats meant to to e qotone martin well done. Thats meant to be a gotcha moment, but youve to be a gotcha moment, but youve totqet to be a gotcha moment, but youve dodged it to be a gotcha moment, but youve dodged it quite neatly. So youve dodged it quite neatly. Soyou youve dodged it quite neatly. Soyou sey youve dodged it quite neatly. Soyou sey to youve dodged it quite neatly. So you say to racegoers . So what do you say to racegoers . Vou so what do you say to racegoers . Youiook. So what do you say to racegoers . Youlook, look, so what do you say to racegoers . Youlook, look, keep you just say, look, look, keep poiitios you just say, look, look, keep poiitiosent you just say, look, look, keep politicsand just you just say, look, look, keep politics and just let us politics out and just let us enjoy politics out and just let us enioy tne politics out and just let us enioy tne trey. Politics out and just let us enioy tne tey. I politics out and just let us enjoy the day. I think that tnere enjoy the day. I think that there better, enjoy the day. I think that. Therebetter, more enjoy the day. I think that therebetter, more fun there are much better, more fun tninqs there are much better, more fun tninqs tnet there are much better, more fun tninqs tnet we there are much better, more fun things that we could be doing on our things that we could be doing on setuniey things that we could be doing on our saturday that things that we could be doing on our saturday that doesnt invoive our saturday that doesnt invoive. You our saturday that doesnt involve, you know, supporting an industry involve, you know, supporting an industry tnet involve, you know, supporting an industry that causes the deaths of industry that causes the deaths ot tnousents industry that causes the deaths of thousands of industry that causes the deaths of thousands of horses. 1 industry that causes the deaths of thousands of horses. 1i . Of thousands of horses. And its a of thousands of horses. And its e onene of thousands of horses. And its e stene tnet of thousands of horses. And its a shame that we, you know, the only way that we can enjoy horses is by going to these races. Imagine if we could see wild horses and go and experience them that way and not have to, you know, exploit them or subject subjugate them. Or subject subjugate them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nevin the last wort yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nevin the last wont to yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nevin the last wont to you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nevin the last word to you. Youve yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nevin the last word to you. Youve got 20s. Keen. Word to you. Youve got 20s. Keen. Oen word to you. Youve got 20s. Keen. Oen i word to you. Youve got 20s. Yeah. Can i just word to you. Youve got 20s. Yeah. Can i just come in . 1i yeah. Can ijust come in . And tnis yeah. Can ijust come in . And this is yeah. Can ijust come in . And this is e yeah. Can ijust come in . And this is e sport yeah. Can ijust come in . And this is a sport that is enjoyed by millions of people around the world that contributes significantly to the economy. But just on the money point, very few people in racing get into racing to make money as owners. Its about the return to owners. Its about the return to owners is about 18 to 20. In the pound people do racing people own because they love own horses because they love them the horses have them and the horses have a fantastic life after their careers as well as eventers as pets. Took neptune colons. Pets. We took neptune colons. The 2012 grand national winner. We took him to alder. Hey to cheer up the children there. And i was just fantastic. Events like that that just make. Oh, like that that just make. Oh, nevin, it looks as e oh, nevin, it looks as though we neve nevin, it looks as though we neve iost nevin, it looks as though we neve iost you nevin, it looks as though we have lost you there. But we were ooninq have lost you there. But we were ooninq to have lost you there. But we were ooninq to tne have lost you there. But we were coming to the end have lost you there. But we were coming to the end of that tetete coming to the end of that tetete. So coming to the end of that debate. So Nevin Truesdale, the one debate. So Nevin Truesdale, the chief executive debate. So Nevin Truesdale, the chief executive of debate. So Nevin Truesdale, the chief executive of the jockey an, chief executive of the jockey an, tnenk chief executive of the jockey club, thank you chief executive of the jockey club, thank you very much to tin. Club, thank you very much to trim ant club, thank you very much to trim ant to club, thank you very much to him. And to louisa hill, spokesperson him. And to louisa hill, spokesperson animal him. And to louisa hill, spokespersonanimal rising. Spokesperson from animal rising. Tnenk spokesperson from animal rising. Inenk tor spokesperson from animal rising. Inenk tor your thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for your time. You. Thank you very much for your time. You. And thank you very much for your time. You. And we. Thank you very much for your. Time. You. And we pride time. Thank you. And we pride ourselves on news at ourselves here on gb news at getting both sides of story. Getting both sides of the story. I its really i think its just really important to have that balance. Do get in touch of what you tnink do get in touch of what you tnink ot do get in touch of what you think of that do get in touch of what you think of that debate. What side of think of that debate. What side ot tne think of that debate. What side of the argument think of that debate. What side of the argument are you on . Gb views of the argument are you on . Gb viewson of the argument are you on . Gb viewsgb. Com. Of the argument are you on . Gb views. Gb. Com. And i of the argument are you on . Gb viewslgb. Com. And next, views at gb news. Com. And next, all views at gb news. Com. And next, eii tne views at gb news. Com. And next, all the news and views from fridays newspapers. But this is breakfast news please breakfast on gb news please dont. Welcome back. Its 744. Youre watching and listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. Now, during the break, we were chatting about the debate we just had about the safety of the epsom derby. Its got an animal. Its going to be protesters invading the racecourse. Were joined now to go through the papers , andy jones and claire papers, andy jones and claire purcell. Andy youve worked in the race journalism game. And claire, youre a horse owner yourself. So why dont we start yourself. So why dont we start with this story . Is it time to with this story . Is it time to stop races like the epsom derby . Its not the grand national. Its not the grand national. Its not the grand national. Its not known. I think we just its not known. I think we just pointed out there, nevin, that theyve three deaths theyve only been three deaths since 2003. The last death was 2006. The wrong protest at 2006. Is it the wrong protest at the wrong time . Andy seems a very strange place to target the epsom derby. I mean, if you if youe epsom derby. I mean, if you if youe qoinq epsom derby. I mean, if you if youre ever going to epsom derby. I mean, if you if youre ever going to if i i mean, if you if youre ever going to if youre qoinq youre ever going to if youre qoinqpess youre ever going to if youre ever going pass comment on ever going to pass comment on orueity ukl cruelty of animals in the uk, tne cruelty of animals in the uk, tne noise cruelty of animals in the uk, the horse would cruelty of animals in the uk, the horse would be absolutely far the horse would be absolutely terewey the horse would be absolutely terewey tne the horse would be absolutely far away the least risk far and away the least at risk eninet far and away the least at risk animal. Horse far and away the least at risk animal. Horse racing animal. I mean, horse racing reoenorsesin animal. I mean, horse racing racehorses in central racehorses live in central steties. Racehorses live in central stables. Round racehorses live in central stables. Round the stables. They have round the oiook stables. They have round the oiookoere. Stables. They have round the. Clock care. Have clock veterinary care. They have round clock veterinary care. They have roundstetie clock veterinary care. They have round stable lad clock veterinary care. They have round stable lad last round the clock stable lad last otten round the clock stable lad last care. Often have round the clock stable lad last care. Often have swimming care. They often have swimming poois enytninq care. They often have swimming pools, anything from care. They often have swimming poolof anything from care. They often have swimming poolof psychologistsything from care. They often have swimming poolof psychologists andig from care. They often have swimming poolof psychologists and horsen sort of psychologists and horse wnisperers sort of psychologists and horse whisperers and sort of psychologists and horse whisperers and stuff and oonpennq whisperers and stuff and comparing them and throwing them intne comparing them and throwing them intne see comparing them and throwing them intne iot comparing them and throwing them in the same lot with in there in the same lot with tne in there in the same lot with tne tettery in there in the same lot with the batteryor in there in the same lot with the battery or the dairy cow the battery hen or the dairy cow tnet the battery hen or the dairy cow tnet toesnt the battery hen or the dairy cow that doesnt see the battery hen or the dairy cow that doesnt see any dairy. It toesnt that doesnt see any dairy. It doesntdaylight that doesnt see any dairy. It doesnt daylight at all. Doesnt see any daylight at all. It doesnt see any daylight at all. Itvery. Doesnt see any daylight at all. Itverystrenqe doesnt see any daylight at all. Itvery,strange to. It seems very, very strange to. Oreet it seems very, very strange to me. Great britain it seems very, very strange to me. Great britain has me. But Great Britain has the niqnest me. But Great Britain has the highest standard me. But Great Britain has the highest standard care highest standard of horse care in tne highest standard of horse care in tne worki highest standard of horse care in the world and highest standard of horse care in the world and these animals, the in the world and these animals, tne teteiity in the world and these animals, the fatality rate, in the world and these animals, the fatality rate, the mortality rete the fatality rate, the mortality rete ent the fatality rate, the mortality rate and horses the fatality rate, the mortality rate and horses do sometimes town rate and horses do sometimes down racecourses rate and horses do sometimes down racecourses is below 0. 5. Ant down racecourses is below 0. 5. Ant wnen down racecourses is below 0. 5. Ant wnen eny down racecourses is below 0. 5. And when any animal dies, its otviousiy and when any animal dies, its otviousiy e and when any animal dies, its obviously a tragedy. But our noses obviously a tragedy. But our horses are more obviously a tragedy. But our horses are more far more likely to tie horses are more far more likely to tie runninq horses are more far more likely to die running around in a neit to die running around in a field, etcetera, to die running around in a field, etcetera, and horses that tent field, etcetera, and horses that eent witnin field, etcetera, and horses that arent within racing are. And oieire arent within racing are. And oieire wett arent within racing are. And claire well talk arent within racing are. And claire well talk about this are not eiweys claire well talk about this are not always the claire well talk about this are not always the best cared for outsite not always the best cared for outsite ot not always the best cared for outside of race. Not always the best cared for outside of race. You know in a tieit outside of race. You know in a tieit teinq outside of race. You know in a field being left outside of race. You know in a field being left out in all weetners field being left out in all weathers etcetera, etcetera. The reoeorsen nes weathers etcetera, etcetera. The reoeorsen nes e weathers etcetera, etcetera. The racehorse has a fabulous life. Ineres racehorse has a fabulous life. Ineres very racehorse has a fabulous life. Ineres very. Racehorse has a fabulous life. Theres very , very racehorse has a fabulous life. Theres very , very limited risk theres very, very limited risk in tne theres very, very limited risk in to tpson theres very, very limited risk in the epsom derby. Theres no otsteoies in the epsom derby. Theres no obstacles, etcetera, etcetera. Obstacles, etcetera, etcetera. Ant obstacles, etcetera, etcetera. Ant even obstacles, etcetera, etcetera. Ant it obstacles, etcetera, etcetera. And even if youre looking at it tron and even if youre looking at it tron e and even if youre looking at it from a dispassionate viewpoint, tnese from a dispassionate viewpoint, tnese noses from a dispassionate viewpoint, these horses are from a dispassionate viewpoint, these horses are worth any horse running these horses are worth any horse runningepsom these horses are worth any horse runningepsomis. Running in the epsom derby is protetiy til probably worth about half £1 niiiion. Probably worth about half £1 million. Idea probably worth about half £1 million. Idea that you put million. The idea that you put tnen million. The idea that you put them unnecessary risk seems them at unnecessary risk seems etsoiuteiy them at unnecessary risk seems absolutely astonishing. I i1 i absolutely astonishing. I do tetieve absolutely astonishing. I do believe, though absolutely astonishing. I do believe, though that louisa Animal Rights and made some really good points and that we all care about horse well being. We all care about safety. And i think one of positive i think one of the positive things actually to come of things actually to come out of talking is making talking about this is making things the National Things like the grand national safer. Seen over the safer. Weve seen over the years, jumps have been made years, the jumps have been made lower and the water not quite as wide. Ad but are they going to wide. Ad but are they going to just try and close down horse racing altogether . And surely thats a retrograde move. Theyll just sell the horses to saudi arabians . Well, this is it. Wnet saudi arabians . Well, this is it. What happens saudi arabians . Well, this is it. What happens to 7 well, this is it. What happens to those horses wno it. What happens to those horses wno ee it. What happens to those horses wno trot it. What happens to those horses who are bred for it. What happens to those horses who are bred for a it. What happens to those horses who are bred for a specific purpose . Who are bred for a specific purposes tney who are bred for a specific purpose . They are athletes. They purpose . They are athletes. They are purpose . They are athletes. They toot purpose . They are athletes. They qoot et purpose . They are athletes. They are good at their purpose . They are athletes. They are good at their job. They are good at theirjob. They enjoy are good at theirjob. They enioy toint are good at theirjob. They enjoy doing their job. So what wouit enjoy doing their job. So what wouit you enjoy doing their job. So what wouit you to enjoy doing their job. So what would you do with them if you sutteniy would you do with them if you suddenly said would you do with them if you suddenly said racing suddenly said no racing whatsoever . Suddenly said no racing whatsoever . Youre going to have noses whatsoever . Youre going to have nose tnet whatsoever . Youre going to have horses that are whatsoever . Youre going to have horses that are going to go to peopie horses that are going to go to people disreputable people who are disreputable owners, disreputable breeders wno owners, disreputable breeders wno neve owners, disreputable breeders wno neve qot owners, disreputable breeders who have got no owners, disreputable breeders who have got no understanding of iookinq who have got no understanding of iookinq etter who have got no understanding of iookint etter e who have got no understanding of looking after a thoroughbred racehorse. Like looking after a thoroughbred. Racehorse. Like having racehorse. Its not like having an horse. It needs an ordinary horse. It needs Constant Care and attention and theyre going to get sold abroad. Theyre going to perhaps enter abroad. Theyre going to perhaps enter tne abroad. Theyre going to perhaps enter the food abroad. Theyre going to perhaps enter the food chain, theyre going to perhaps enter the food chain, which i know enter the food chain, which i knowtet enter the food chain, which i knowget very enter the food chain, which i know get very upset know people get very upset etout. Know people get very upset etout. I know people get very upset about. I mean, know people get very upset about. I mean, the jockey club is quite about. I mean, the jockey club is quite interesting. Ive put too is quite interesting. Ive put toointo is quite interesting. Ive put £40into horse is quite interesting. Ive put £40 into Horse Welfare. £40 million into Horse Welfare. Tnet £40 million into Horse Welfare. Thatsubstantial £40 million into Horse Welfare. That substantial amount that is a substantial amount of money that is a substantial amount of moneytout that is a substantial amount of moneydont think that is a substantial amount of money dont think its money and i dont think its even money and i dont think its given tnel given enough credit at the racecourses. Given enough credit at the racecourses. Are safer places, espeoieiiy racecourses. Are safer places, especially with racecourses. Are safer places, especially with the grand uetionei especially with the grand nationalseen. Especially with the grand nationalseen. Awful national. Weve seen an awful lotimprovements national. Weve seen an awful lot improvements made to that lot of improvements made to that and lot of improvements made to that ent your lot of improvements made to that ent your guest lot of improvements made to that and your guest did lot of improvements made to that and your guest did have some reeiiy and your guest did have some reeiiy veiit and your guest did have some really valid points, but i do tnink really valid points, but i do tnink tney really valid points, but i do think they misunderstand the etu think they misunderstand the etu ot think they misunderstand the etu ot en think they misunderstand the nature of an animal. If youre going nature of an animal. If youre ooinq to nature of an animal. If youre going to not nature of an animal. If youre going to not e nature of an animal. If youre going to hold a horse up, as we et going to hold a horse up, as we et tne going to hold a horse up, as we saw at the grand going to hold a horse up, as we saw at the grand national for 15 to zo saw at the grand national for 15 to 20 minutes. Saw at the grand national for 15 to 20 minutes, theyre ready to do to 20 minutes, theyre ready to to tneir to 20 minutes, theyre ready to to tneir j0b to 20 minutes, theyre ready to do their job. Theyre all hyped up. Tnet do their job. Theyre all hyped up. Tnet is do their job. Theyre all hyped up. That is when do their job. Theyre all hyped up. That is when more accidents are up. That is when more accidents toinq up. That is when more accidents going to up. That is when more accidents are going to happen. When a noise are going to happen. When a noise qets are going to happen. When a horse gets stressed so if horse gets stressed out. So if youe horse gets stressed out. So if youreto horse gets stressed out. So if youreto keep horse gets stressed out. So if youre to keep them, youre going to keep them, tneyre youre going to keep them, theyre walking youre going to keep them, theyre walking in theyre Walking Around in hot oontitions theyre Walking Around in hot conditionsit theyre Walking Around in hot conditionsit was theyre Walking Around in hot conditions it was at the conditions as it was at the orent conditions as it was at the grand national. Conditions as it was at the grand national. They are stresset grand national. They are. Stressed going stressed and they are going to tnen stressed and they are going to ten evpiote stressed and they are going to then explode. Thats when then explode. And thats when you then explode. And thats when you accidents then explode. And thats when you accidents coming you get more accidents coming in. You get more accidents coming ineiweys you get more accidents coming ineiweys qoinq you get more accidents coming in. Always going to be in. I its always going to be tnet in. I its always going to be that debate in. I its always going to be that debate that you have around eninei that debate that you have around eninei setety that debate that you have around animal safety and that debate that you have around animal safety and animal orueity. Animal safety and animal orueity. Ine animal safety and animal cruelty. The vast, vast majority of cruelty. The vast, vast majority ot noise cruelty. The vast, vast majority of horse owners cruelty. The vast, vast majority of horse owners absolutely love tneir of horse owners absolutely love their animals of horse owners absolutely love their animals and of horse owners absolutely love their animals and will give them more care than their animals and will give them more care than they would themselves. More care than they would themselves. I more care than they would themselves. I have seen people witn themselves. I have seen people witn noses themselves. I have seen people with horses wrapping themselves up witn with horses wrapping themselves up wit en with horses wrapping themselves up wit en ott with horses wrapping themselves up with an old piece of bandage just up with an old piece of bandage iust so up with an old piece of bandage rust so tney up with an old piece of bandage rust so tney oen up with an old piece of bandage just so they can get back to tneir just so they can get back to tneir noise just so they can get back to their horse and just so they can get back to their horse and their horse will neve their horse and their horse will have veterinary their horse and their horse will have veterinary treatment. It witt have veterinary treatment. It viiitne have veterinary treatment. It willthe best have veterinary treatment. It will the best tack, the will have the best tack, the test will have the best tack, the test teet will have the best tack, the best feed diet will have the best tack, the best feed diet tree supplements. T hey best feed diet tree supplements. Iney witt best feed diet tree supplements. Tney wiii iook best feed diet tree supplements. They will look after that animal totter they will look after that animal tetter tnen they will look after that animal better than they they will look after that animal better than they do themselves ent better than they do themselves ent tneir better than they do themselves and their family. Better than they do themselves and their family. 1i i . It. Rebellion was talking yesterday about banning dog ownership, cat ownership, etcetera, etcetera, about banning dog ownership, cat own banning tcetera, etcetera, about banning dog ownership, cat own banning horse r, etcetera, about banning dog ownership, cat own banning horse ownership and banning horse ownership altogether. And somebody made the altogether. And somebody made tnewett altogether. And somebody made thewell, what altogether. And somebody made thewell, what do altogether. And somebody made the well, what do. Dol the point, well, what do you do witn the point, well, what do you do with horses . The point, well, what do you do with horses . They the point, well, what do you do with horses . They wont with these horses . They wont exist. With these horses . They wont existsnt. With these horses . They wont exist. Said, well, with these horses . They wont exist. Said, well, fair exist. And he said, well, fair enouqn. Ot exist. And he said, well, fair enough. Of not enough. And the idea of not existing enough. And the idea of not evistinq et enough. And the idea of not existing at all enough. And the idea of not existing at all or enough. And the idea of not existing at all or running the risk existing at all or running the risk ot existing at all or running the risk ot e existing at all or running the risk of a nought existing at all or running the risk of a nought point, nought, nouqtt risk of a nought point, nought, nought, whatever of having an eooitent nought, whatever of having an eooitentle nought, whatever of having an accident a racecourse or accident on a racecourse and or whereverseems accident on a racecourse and or wherever seems absolutely wherever else seems absolutely eqreeetie wherever else seems absolutely agreeablealso wherever else seems absolutely agreeable also when you, agreeable to but also when you, wnen tninqs agreeable to but also when you, when things like. When you look at things like nentei when you look at things like Mental Health. When you look at things like Mental Health. So just discarding racehorse horses for a animals themselves are a moment, animals themselves are so good for Peoples Mental Health. And think if you start health. And i think if you start to get rid of pet ownership in any way, shape or form, the Mental Health people will Mental Health of people will just deteriorate even further. I just deteriorate even further. I just dont understand this just i dont understand this mentality of you cant have anything , therefore you must anything, therefore you must just put your lovely pampered cat out onto the street and were such an animal loving nation, arent we . I mean, people nation, arent we . I mean, peopie ent nation, arent we . I mean, people and their 11 11i1 1 e 7 i mean, people and their pets, british peopie people and their pets, british peopie ent people and their pets, british people and their people and their pets, british people and their i mean, people and their pets. I mean, tney people and their pets. I mean, tneyot people and their pets. I mean, tneyor tne people and their pets. I mean, they of the family. It they are part of the family. It toesnt they are part of the family. It toesnt it they are part of the family. It doesnt it doesnt they are part of the family. It doesnt it doesnt quite doesnt it doesnt seem quite tittinq. En doesnt it doesnt seem quite. Fitting. An animal fitting. Does it, that an animal rising fitting. Does it, that an Animal Rising Group fitting. Does it, that an Animal Rising Group would want to get rid rising group would want to get rit ot rising group would want to get rit ot tnet rising group would want to get rid of that pets rising group would want to get rid of that pets that are loved so very rid of that pets that are loved so very nuone rid of that pets that are loved so very much . Thats what i think. Lose the room, you think. They lose the room, you know. Okay, lets make horse racing safer. But youre not allowed dog. Its like, allowed to own a dog. Its like, come on, mate. Its just its just little bit silly. Now, just a little bit silly. Now, the dog is the most e e now, the dog is the most pampered rnernet the dog is the most pampered nenterltte the dog is the most pampered member the family, especially the dog is the most pampered mlmy er the family, especially the dog is the most pampered mlmy house. |e family, especially the dog is the most pampered mlmy house. Thatsly, especially the dog is the most pampered mlmy house. Thatsly, ewayzially the dog is the most pampered mlmy house. Thatsly, eway itlly in my house. Thats the way it goes. In my house. Thats the way it goeslets in my house. Thats the way it goes. Lets move in my house. Thats the way it goes. Lets move on to goes. Claire. Lets move on to you, goes. Claire. Lets move on to you. Sneii goes. Claire. Lets move on to you. Sneii wee goes. Claire. Lets move on to you, shall we . And this is a story you, shall we . And this is a story in you, shall we . And this is a story in tne you, shall we . And this is a story in the times. Teachers strikes story in the times. Teachers strikes ee story in the times. Teachers strikes are normalising, kids skipping is skipping school. This is concerning, skipping school. This isi concerning,is concerning, isnt it . It is reeiiy sol concerning, isnt it . It is. Really so the really concerning. So the teeoters really concerning. So the teachers strikes that weve all seen is normalising children missing school on a regular bafis. Missing school on a regular basis. This is the childrens basis. This is the childrens commissioner for england, dame rachel de souza has said consistently getting children back to school and then taking days off has led to this whole attitude. Now from from children, from parents to say, well, it doesnt matter if you miss a day off of school, it doesnt matter. Yeah. And i think that kids have been so affected by lockdowns, they have missed so much school Mental Health problems, learning deficits to then have teachers strikes being used as another excuse for a day off. You can see how this is going to affect children. School doesnt seem very important. Then yeah. And i wonder a e we said all andi wonder a e we said all along tnet wonder a e we said all along tnet tne wonder a e we said all along that the children wonder a e we said all along that the children most affected by that the children most affected ty tnis that the children most affected ty tnis wee that the children most affected by this were those at the bottom , you by this were those at the bottom. You know. By this were those at the bottom. You know. Tne by this were those at the bottom , you know, the impoverished working , you know, the impoverished working class , you know, the impoverished working class kids who werent nevinq working class kids who werent having attentive working class kids who werent having attentive home schooling. A iot having attentive home schooling. A iot ot having attentive home schooling. A iot ot tneir having attentive home schooling. A lot of their parents didnt neve a lot of their parents didnt havellockdown. A lot of their parents didnt have lockdown. They still had a lot of their parents didnt ha go lockdown. They still had a lot of their parents didnt ha go to ockdown. They still had a lot of their parents didnt ha go to work wn. They still had a lot of their parents didnt ha go to work care they still had a lot of their parents didnt ha go to work care workers, had a lot of their parents didnt ha go to work care workers, you to go to work care workers, you know. To go to work care workers, you know. Tnet to go to work care workers, you know, that sort to go to work care workers, you know, that sort of to go to work care workers, you know, that sort of job was still seeing know, that sort of job was still seeing up know, that sort of job was still seeing up to know, that sort of job was still seeing up to 100,000 kids missing seeing up to 100,000 kids missing from seeing up to 100,000 kids missing from school altogether. Is missing from school altogether. Isitee missing from school altogether. Isitee ot missing from school altogether. Isidea of strike missing from school altogether. Is idea of strike aukus, is this idea of strike aukus, you is this idea of strike aukus, you know. Is this idea of strike aukus, you know, bunking off just just neking you know, bunking off just just neking kits you know, bunking off just just making kids think, well, whats the making kids think, well, whats to point making kids think, well, whats to point ot making kids think, well, whats the point of school . 1 e the point of school . And its a very the point of school . And its a very dangerous youre absolutely right. Dangerous right. Its a very dangerous thing into minds thing to bake into young minds as eventually as well, because eventually these need to be these individuals need to be working members of working constructive members of society. And you cant society. And then if you cant handle school day to day, it becomes quite difficult to then learn that skill later on in life. We talk again about Mental Health, health, Mental Health, Mental Health, Mental Health. Best at cures health. One of the best at cures school can be a very distressing place for young people sometimes, but one the best sometimes, but one of the best cures for ability to be cures for mental ability to be around peers in the around your peers out in the fresh air, having the stimuli of different etcetera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthinkit etcetera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one etcetera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one of etcetera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one of the etcetera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one of the big tera. And fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one of the big costsand fresh air, having the stimuli of dthink one of the big costs of i think one of the big costs of covid and it was barely talked about at the time shutting about at the time of shutting everyone in of , of about at the time of shutting everyone in of, of losing all of the skills that you learn at school. Then also the school. And then also the socialisation you get from socialisation that you get from school well. Oh, okay, andy, school as well. Oh, okay, andy, youve school as well. Oh, okay, andy, youve got school as well. Oh, okay, andy, youve got e school as well. Oh, okay, andy, youve got e sort school as well. Oh, okay, andy, youve got a sort of 1 oh, okay, andy, youve got a sort of related story youve got a sort of related story in youve got a sort of related story in tne youve got a sort of related story in the mail all about ieoturers story in the mail all about lecturers going story in the mail all about lecturers going on strike. Essentially, lecturers going on strike. Essentially, theyre on a neroning essentially, theyre on a marching boycott. Right. And it marching boycott. Right. And it tnet marching boycott. Right. And it means that students arent getting means that students arent getting tneir means that students arent getting their grades back. Keen. Getting their grades back. Yeah, lecturers getting their grades back. Yeah, lecturers had getting their grades back. 41 11 getting their grades back. Yeah, lecturers had strikes and theyve had lecturers have had strikes over various different points over the last few years. However, one of the big impacts is students who are paying more for education now than ever are being told, actually youre not going to get your grades either later or at all in some cases. And these are quite big universities. This is cambridge, this is edinburgh and odesa, lots of slightly less salubrious universities as well. And if you are a university leaver , you are a university leaver, you know that job market is fierce. Know that job market is fierce. You know, if you dont have the grades and have the grades immediately employers go and hire somebody else. And then you are then stuck waiting or doing are then stuck waiting or doing a job thats less than what you might normally have got or youre waiting for next year to then reapply. And i think thats then reapply. And i think thats really, really unfair when students getting into huge students are getting into huge debt, more debt, theyre paying more ever than for education and than educate for education and theyre told, theyre basically being told, no, huge chunks no, no, you missed huge chunks because covid only if because of covid only if you missed huge chunks to missed huge chunks having to sort of from home, which missed huge chunks having to sort the from home, which missed huge chunks having to sort the same. Ym home, which missed huge chunks having to sort the same. Its1ome, which missed huge chunks having to sort the same. Its now , which isnt the same. Its now actually the grade you actually the grade that you worked for. Youre not worked hard for. Youre not going a lot of those going to a lot of those students, of course, paying nine grand to sit in prison in grand a year to sit in prison in a in a little kind of rabbit hutch student accommodation, watching a lecturer online. They at work. These they werent even at work. These peopie they werent even at work. These peopietneyre they werent even at work. These people theyre going on people now theyre going on strike strike anyway. Thats just me. Lets strike anyway. Thats just me. Lets tittie strike anyway. Thats just me. Lets little bit| lets quickly have a little bit of lets quickly have a little bit otnews lets quickly have a little bit otnews et lets quickly have a little bit ofnews at the lets quickly have a little bit of news at the end. Claire, of fun news at the end. Claire, tne of fun news at the end. Claire, tne rrinoess of fun news at the end. Claire, the princess and of fun news at the end. Claire, the princess and princess of trees the princess and princess of weesvery the princess and princess of walesvery sort the princess and princess of wales very sort of the princess and princess of walesvery sort of regal wales looking very sort of regal ent wales looking very sort of regal ent preoiseiy wales looking very sort of regal and precisely of. And precisely the opposite of iaegnen and precisely the opposite of negnen ent and precisely the opposite of meghan and harry. I mean, the photographs that have come out, the wales just looks the princess of wales just looks absolutely stunning. Came absolutely stunning. She came out wedding , this out at this wedding, this beautiful dress. Mean , i beautiful pink dress. I mean, i just they are the picture just think they are the picture of what the modern royal family is going to be. Theyre behaviour is always impeccable. Behaviour is always impeccable. They have gone to a wedding and they look like they had a really good time. And i just love the fact that we can see these snaps and the slight lip reading of william saying to kate , you william saying to kate, you know, chop chop, we need to move on. When they were in the receiving line and having a chat with their friends and its that normal of life that comes normal bit of life that comes into relationship which into to their relationship which i think is really refreshing. Theyre not out there for personal gain. Out there personal gain. Theyre out there to do a job. They are working royals. And i think that they absolutely that aplomb. Absolutely do that with aplomb. They they truly do. And they they do. They truly do. And they do they do. They truly do. And they to king they do. They truly do. And they to king ent they do. They truly do. And they do king and queen. They do. They truly do. And they do king and queen in| do look like a king and queen in waiting, do look like a king and queen in waning they do look like a king and queen in waiting, they really waiting, dont they . They really do. Look, waiting, dont they . They really do. Look, the waiting, dont they . They really do. Look, the part. Waiting, dont they . They really do. Look, the part. Claire a e, realty do. Look, the part. Claire a e, really good do. Look, the part. Claire a e, really good to do. Look, the part. Claire a e, really good to see do. Look, the part. Claire a e, really good to see you. Thank you vowe really good to see you. Thank you youre back. Really good to see you. Thanki you youre back in you very much. Youre back in the you very much. Youre back in the next you very much. Youre back in the next hour. You very much. Youre back in the next hour. Thank you very much. The next hour. Thank you very much. Youre the next hour. Thank you very much. . F g the next hour. Thank you very much. . C; f g [15 the next hour. Thank you very much. 4th f g c15 \ much. Youre watching gb news. Britains channel. More to britains news channel. More to come, on come, including the latest on pmmp come, including the latest on phillipas come, including the latest on phillipas the come, including the latest on phillip as the former Phillip Schofield as the former itv Phillip Schofield as the former nv to Phillip Schofield as the former nv to the Phillip Schofield as the former itv to the medial Phillip Schofield as the former. Itv to the media for itv star speaks to the media for the first itv star speaks to the media for the first time itv star speaks to the media for the First Time Since itv star speaks to the media for the First Time Since the start of the First Time Since the start oh the the First Time Since the start of the scandal. The First Time Since the start of the scandal. G the First Time Since the start of the scandal. 1g 4t1 ;,tt< of the scandal. Morning, alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office gb news. Another fine office for gb news. Another fine sunny day for most today and evenin sunny day for most today and even in the east where it has been pretty dull all week. We are looking at some sunshine coming through in. Eventually High Pressure continues to dominate control our dominate and will control our weather the weekend weather through the weekend as well. That high, the well. But around that high, the breeze is still coming in off the north sea and so its produced quite a lot of cloud. S0 for many it is a pretty drab start, but already got some sunshine in the west and of course much of scotland. And the clouds should break up pretty quickly s0 clouds should break up pretty quickly so i think quickly this morning. So i think we will see brighter skies from cambridgeshire way up cambridgeshire all the way up across yorkshire. Now of across yorkshire. Now parts of the east coast may stay a little misty, but certainly anywhere inland , it should be a brighter inland, it should be a brighter day across the east and itll be warmer as well. The coast will warmer as well. The coast will be fresh because will still be fresh because it will still be fresh because it will still be blowing and west be a breeze blowing and west will best for will still be best for temperatures getting the temperatures getting into the low sunshine many low 20s in the sunshine for many cracking friday evening as well , with places staying fine , with most places staying fine and sunny, a bit more cloud spilling in through the day across northern so across northern scotland. So turning quite cloudy here through the evening. Again, through the evening. And again, some will just dribble some cloud will just dribble back inland over parts of the midlands and Eastern England through the early hours. Temperatures will dip where weve got the clearest skies well down into single figures in the countryside. Even the countryside. So even though its its still a bit of its june, its still a bit of a chilly start to saturday. But i think for most its going to be another sunny day. It will another sunny day. Yes, it will start cloudy over the start fairly cloudy over the midlands. But again, that cloud should tend to melt away by mid to late morning. Northern scotland will be a little duller on saturday. So tomorrow even some patchy drizzly rain is possible over the Northern Isles , but otherwise its dry and fine. Strong sunshine, uv levels will be high and temperatures will be high and temperatures will be high and temperatures will be a little higher on saturday. If youve saturday. Again, if youve got the from the sea, the the breeze from the sea, the coast be a little fresh, but coast may be a little fresh, but inland, teens, low 20, 23, inland, high teens, low 20, 23, 24 is possible. And its a similar story on sunday. Plenty of sunshine and feeling warm inland. Good morning. Its 8 00 on theat good morning. Its 8 00 on thtey. The good morning. Its 8 00 on friday. The 2nd good morning. Its 8 00 on friday. The 2nd of c 1g its 8 00 on friday. The 2nd of june. Coming up eh friday. The 2nd of june. Coming up on totaye friday. The 2nd of june. Coming up on todays program, phillip sehettett up on todays program, Phillip Schofield says up on todays program, Phillip Schofield says hes lost evehththg schofield says hes lost everything after news of his thet everything after news of his etteh wtth everything after news of his affair with a everything after news of his affair with a younger male eetteeeue affair with a younger male colleague on affair with a younger male colleague on itvs this morning eut colleague on itvs this morning came out speaking with the bbc. He came out speaking with the bbc. He sett came out speaking with the bbc. He sttt he came out speaking with the bbc. He said he sees came out speaking with the bbc. He said he sees nothing came out speaking with the bbc. He said he sees nothing ahead of him but darkness and blackness and sadness. The covid inquiry and sadness. The covid inquiry eage and sadness. The covid inquiry sage eehhtee and sadness. The covid inquiry saga continues as and sadness. The covid inquiry saga continues as the m set the covid inquiry saga continues as the cabinet etttee saga continues as the cabinet etttee te saga continues as the cabinet etttee he eet saga continues as the Cabinet Office is set to saga continues as the Cabinet Office is set to bring about teeet office is set to bring about legal Action Office is set to bring about legal action to office is set to bring about legal action to prevent boris tehheehe legal action to prevent Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages tethe johnsons whatsapp messages hehg hehtet johnsons whatsapp messages being handed over. And its hteeh being handed over. And its hteeh tet being handed over. And its misery for millions this weekend as misery for millions this weekend he tethe misery for millions this weekend as trains strikes misery for millions this weekend as trains strikes are set to huh as trains strikes are set to teth as trains strikes are set to ruin both the as trains strikes are set to ruin both the epsom derby and the th ruin both the epsom derby and the th cup ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final ruin both the epsom derby and the fa cup final. 1t the fa cup final. And as always, well bring you the latest weather update. Well, eastern weather update. Well, eastern teeth weather update. Well, eastern areas finally brighten 4. well, eastern areas finally brighten up today and areas finally brighten up today the whet areas finally brighten up today and what does areas finally brighten up today and what does the weekend have in and what does the weekend have th etetee and what does the weekend have th etetee join and what does the weekend have in store . Join me and what does the weekend have in store . Join me later for a tutt in store . Join me later for a hut eh in store . Join me later for a full gb news in store . Join me later for a full gb news weather forecast. Full gb news weather forecast. So full gb news weather forecast. So tep full gb news weather forecast. So top et full gb news weather forecast. So top et the full gb news weather forecast. So top of the morning, full gb news weather forecast. So top of the morning, im so top of the morning, im Martin Daubney. Im Ellie Costello and Martin Daubney. Im Ellie Costello and this Martin Daubney. Im Ellie Costello and this is it� 1� ite� l jgt4. Im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on costello and this is breakfast en et costello and this is breakfast on he newe costello and this is breakfast on he news. Costello and this is breakfast on gb news. To costello and this is breakfast on gb news. To our top story now ent on gb news. To our top story now the thtttth on gb news. To our top story now and Phillip Schofield has told the hec and Phillip Schofield has told the the he and Phillip Schofield has told the bbc he was and Phillip Schofield has told the bbc he was not a victim of the the bbc he was not a victim of the situation the bbc he was not a victim of the situation around his hidden etteh the situation around his hidden etteh hut the situation around his hidden affair, but does the situation around his hidden affair, but does not but does teet affair, but does not but does teet thet affair, but does not but does feel that hes affair, but does not but does feel that hes a affair, but does not but does feel that hes a victim of hate. The feel that hes a victim of hate. The tether feel that hes a victim of hate. The former itv feel that hes a victim of hate. The former itv this feel that hes a victim of hate. The former itv this morning host has spoken out to journalist and broadcaster amol rajan about his perception of the response to the scandal. And perception of the response to the scandal. And one very htehheht the scandal. And one very prominent public and one very prominent public figure phoned me prominent public figure phoned he the prominent public figure phoned he the ether prominent public figure phoned me the other day prominent public figure phoned me the other day and said i wanted me the other day and said i wanted te me the other day and said i wanted to check me the other day and said i wanted to check that you were they. Wanted to check that you were they. Wanted to check that you were etey. Hete wanted to check that you were okay. I have never wanted to check that you were okay. I have never seen such hehehhehte okay. I have never seen such homophobia in okay. I have never seen such homophobia in my life. Kitty t t1 t homophobia in my life. Why do you ththt homophobia in my life. Why do you ththt thh homophobia in my life. Why do you think this coverage has been homophobic . So if it was a heterosexual ti . So if it was a heterosexual relationship , then heterosexual relationship, then you tnow heterosexual relationship, then you know ht heterosexual relationship, then you know it would have been a bit you know it would have been a htt ot you know it would have been a htt ot hotte you know it would have been a bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. If bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. H hte bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. H to o bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. H to o gav bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. If its a gay relationship ,. If its a gay relationship, then. If its a gay relationship, then suddenly. If its a gay relationship, then suddenly it raises eyebrows. Hte then suddenly it raises eyebrows. Tte wrotee then suddenly it raises eyebrows. Tte wohg hte then suddenly it raises eyebrows. Its wrong. Its wrong. People do. Its wrong. Its wrong. People to tho. Its wrong. Its wrong. People to the etch. Its wrong. Its wrong. People do find each other. Its wrong. Its wrong. People do find each other attractive in in do find each other attractive in th tttteteht do find each other attractive in in different age do find each other attractive in in different age groups. I mean, it in different age groups. I mean, tt toes in different age groups. I mean, tt toee happen. In different age groups. I mean, it does happen. You know, but its it does happen. You know, but he the it does happen. You know, but he the hee it does happen. You know, but its the mere fact it does happen. You know, but its the mere fact that this is so its the mere fact that this is to gtgoette its the mere fact that this is so gigantic. And its the mere fact that this is so gigantic. And i appreciate the so gigantic. And i appreciate the workplace so gigantic. And i appreciate the workplace and, you know , the the workplace and, you know, the htetoh. The workplace and, you know, the htetoh. The workplace and, you know, the htetoh. T get the workplace and, you know, the history. I get that the workplace and, you know, the history. I get that. The workplace and, you know, the history. I get that. But its history. I get that. But its the history. I get that. But its the toot history. I get that. But its the fact that history. I get that. But its the fact that its, you know , the fact that its, you know, hte the fact that its, you know, he eo the fact that its, you know, its so massive the fact that its, you know, its so massive is the fact that its, you know, its so massive is predominantly home its so massive is predominantly hohe hhohto its so massive is predominantly hohe ohohto. Its so massive is predominantly home phobia. Lord its so massive is predominantly home phobia. T1 tt c15 its so massive is predominantly home phobia. T1 tt c15 \ home phobia. Lord gb news, reporter ray addison joins us now. Ray, youve watched this interview in full. What are the main takeaways and what have you made of it . Well, i think its very made of it . Well, i think its very interesting made of it . Well, i think its very interesting. fl well, i think its very interesting. Towards the very interesting. Towards the ent very interesting. Towards the end ot very interesting. Towards the end ot the very interesting. Towards the end of the interview, hes very much end of the interview, hes very much tott end of the interview, hes very much eott ot end of the interview, hes very much sort of trying to spin it indirection much sort of trying to spin it indirection of much sort of trying to spin it in direction of this being in the direction of this being an in the direction of this being ohoh oh hth in the direction of this being an on on him because hes an attack on on him because hes homoeeuot an attack on on him because hes homosexual. Hes an attack on on him because hes homosexual. Hes gay. And i homosexual. Hes gay. And i thht homosexual. Hes gay. And i thht thate homosexual. Hes gay. And i think thats quite interesting in think thats quite interesting th tethe think thats quite interesting he terms ot think thats quite interesting in terms of the think thats quite interesting in terms of the approach that hee in terms of the approach that hee tothg in terms of the approach that hee tothg. In terms of the approach that hes taking. I think if this had teen hes taking. I think if this had been o hes taking. I think if this had been a relationship with a young tehote been a relationship with a young female colleague, been a relationship with a young female colleague, i think he eth female colleague, i think he etttt hoote female colleague, i think he still would have female colleague, i think he still would have been getting the still would have been getting the tevet still would have been getting this level of still would have been getting this level of attention. Its there this level of attention. Its thete wee this level of attention. Its there were surely if it was a younger there were surely if it was a younger women. There were surely if it was a younger woman, i think the key thhg younger woman, i think the key ththg hete younger woman, i think the key ththg here to younger woman, i think the key thing here is this younger woman, i think the key thing here is this is a work eotteogwe thing here is this is a work colleague and thing here is this is a work colleague and he met this work eotteogwe colleague and he met this work colleague initially colleague and he met this work colleague initially at the age of colleague initially at the age ot ts colleague initially at the age ot to tho colleague initially at the age of 15 and then colleague initially at the age of 15 and then nothing sexual wett of 15 and then nothing sexual whttt zozt. Of 15 and then nothing sexual until 2021. Schofield saying in that until 2021. Schofield saying in that interview, until 2021. Schofield saying in that interview, however, the key thhg that interview, however, the key ththg te that interview, however, the key ththg he ht that interview, however, the key thhhg he ht ht that interview, however, the key thing is it it became a work relationship thing is it it became a work relationship and thing is it it became a work relationship and theres that power relationship and theres that power imbalance , arguably. And i power imbalance, arguably. And i thhht power imbalance, arguably. And i thhht thate power imbalance, arguably. And i think thats the power imbalance, arguably. And i think thats the reason why this is think thats the reason why this he getthhg think thats the reason why this he getthhg oth think thats the reason why this is getting all this think thats the reason why this is getting all this attention. I thhht is getting all this attention. I thhht hte is getting all this attention. I thhht he very is getting all this attention. I think its very interesting that hee think its very interesting that hee etohhhhg think its very interesting that hes claiming its homophobe for peopte hes claiming its homophobe for peopte wotehhhg hes claiming its homophobe for people watching at home, thetehhhg people watching at home, listening on people watching at home, listening on the radio might not agree listening on the radio might not agree whth listening on the radio might not agree with that. Listening on the radio might not agree with that. 1t agree with that. And a lot of people watching that clip, certainly the one on the bbc are saying it felt very, very state managed. It felt very orchestrated, it felt very planned. It felt like the performance of his life. Yeah i mean, in a way, it had to be. It hoe mean, in a way, it had to be. It hoe to mean, in a way, it had to be. It hoe to he mean, in a way, it had to be. It hoe to he he mean, in a way, it had to be. It has to be he he mean, in a way, it had to be. It has to be he he he mean, in a way, it had to be. It has to be he he he obviously is a has to be he he he obviously is overw has to be he he he obviously is every. Veh has to be he he he obviously is a very, very skilled has to be he he he obviously is a very, very skilled and experienced a very, very skilled and experienced broadcaster , as he experienced broadcaster, as he keepe experienced broadcaster, as he teepe tetthhg experienced broadcaster, as he keeps telling us. Experienced broadcaster, as he keeps telling us. You know, 41 weete keeps telling us. You know, 41 weote h keeps telling us. You know, 41 weote he the keeps telling us. You know, 41 years in the biz keeps telling us. You know, 41 years in the biz. Keeps telling us. You know, 41 years in the biz. And he you years in the biz. And he you tnow. Years in the biz. And he you know. He years in the biz. And he you know, he knows years in the biz. And he you know, he knows how to conduct an hhtewhew. Know, he knows how to conduct an interview, perhaps know, he knows how to conduct an interview, perhaps less experienced interview, perhaps less experienced at being interviewed on eohethhhg experienced at being interviewed on something of experienced at being interviewed on something of such an thoottoht on something of such an important issue as this. Yes, important issue as this. Yes, there important issue as this. Yes, there oe important issue as this. Yes, there are certainly moments where there are certainly moments where you there are certainly moments where you ooh there are certainly moments where you can feel that he is oethohe where you can feel that he is perhaps dragging it up a little bit perhaps dragging it up a little hht h perhaps dragging it up a little hht hh tethe perhaps dragging it up a little bit in terms of perhaps dragging it up a little bit in terms of sort of presentation bit in terms of sort of presentation style. V41 ;gt1� bit in terms of sort of presentation style. Yeah, and presentation style. Yeah, and theree presentation style. Yeah, and theree o presentation style. Yeah, and theres a big story here that if you can see that hes on the front page of the sun today as well. And ray, some astonishing lines in that saying if it wasnt for my girls, i wouldnt be clear indication hes be here. Clear indication hes saying he would kill himself. He hasnt been sleeping eating. Saying he would kill himself. He hasn beentn sleeping eating. Saying he would kill himself. He hasn been drinkinglg eating. Saying he would kill himself. He hasn been drinking a eating. Saying he would kill himself. He hasn been drinking a of ing. Hes been drinking a lot of Southern Comfort. And then he reiterates made on reiterates that point made on the interview. If this the bbc interview. If this continues continues , do they continues and continues, do they not know that theres a human being at the end of this . Do they actually to die . Is they actually want me to die . Is that the end game . Very dramatic thing to say. Yeah. And im sure he is feeling absolutely devastated by this. His you devastated by this. His you know, his career devastated by this. His you know, his career has his you know, his career has ended. He know, his career has ended. He ewe know, his career has ended. He eowe he know, his career has ended. He says he doesnt know, his career has ended. He says he doesnt believe hell he says he doesnt believe hell ever be on television again. So, you ever be on television again. So, you know. Ever be on television again. So, you know. Ho ever be on television again. So, you know, no doubt hugely thetehhhg you know, no doubt hugely thetwhhhg. You know, no doubt hugely disturbing. And hes gone from disturbing. And hes gone from gwhzzhhg disturbing. And hes gone from quizzing pewte disturbing. And hes gone from quizzing people to being the home quizzing people to being the focus himself quizzing people to being the focus himself. Quizzing people to being the focus himself. If, however , to focus himself. If, however, to ewhehte focus himself. If, however, to ewhehte he focus himself. If, however, to suicide is obviously a seriously hhhottoht suicide is obviously a seriously important issue. Suicide is obviously a seriously important issue. And a serious heee important issue. And a serious tot important issue. And a serious tot hth important issue. And a serious issue for him to important issue. And a serious issue for him to bring it up. The issue for him to bring it up. The hope issue for him to bring it up. One hope he issue for him to bring it up. One hopes he doesnt feel as bad as one hopes he doesnt feel as bad oe he one hopes he doesnt feel as bad oe he he one hopes he doesnt feel as bad oe he he eowhhg one hopes he doesnt feel as bad as he is saying he one hopes he doesnt feel as bad as he is saying he is one hopes he doesnt feel as bad as he is saying he is feeling. He as he is saying he is feeling. He ewe as he is saying he is feeling. He eowe hte as he is saying he is feeling. He says his girls as he is saying he is feeling. He says his girls have never not tett he says his girls have never not tett hte he says his girls have never not tett hhe ehte he says his girls have never not left his side since he says his girls have never not left his side since this broke heeowee left his side since this broke because they left his side since this broke because they they didnt want to because they they didnt want to be responsible because they they didnt want to be responsible for because they they didnt want to be responsible for something happening be responsible for something happening he be responsible for something happening. He also said hed heee happening. He also said hed been counselling, been offered counselling, i hethewe been offered counselling, i hethewe. Tw been offered counselling, i believe, by itv been offered counselling, i believe, by itv as well. So hete believe, by itv as well. So tete hope believe, by itv as well. So tete hope ht believe, by itv as well. So lets hope if he believe, by itv as well. So lets hope if he does need that eowheehthhg lets hope if he does need that counselling that lets hope if he does need that counselling that he is taking advantage counselling that he is taking advantage ot counselling that he is taking advantage of that. Ray lets tote advantage of that. Ray lets tote o advantage of that. Ray lets tote o toot advantage of that. Ray lets take a look at advantage of that. Ray lets take a look at what carol weghtthh take a look at what Carol Mcgiffin has take a look at what Carol Mcgiffin has been talking about whth mcgiffin has been talking about whth ooh mcgiffin has been talking about with dan wootton mcgiffin has been talking about with dan wootton that follows some explosive with dan wootton that follows some explosive interviews this weet some explosive interviews this weekehow some explosive interviews this week show eamonn week on his show with eamonn hothee week on his show with Eamonn Holmeskatona week on his show with Eamonn Holmeskatona. Week on his show with eamonni holmeskatona. But holmes and kerry katona. But thet holmes and kerry katona. But toet hhght holmes and kerry katona. But toet hhght ht holmes and kerry katona. But last night it was holmes and kerry katona. But last night it was carol holmes and kerry katona. But last night it was Carol Mcgiffin turn her thoughts on the turn to give her thoughts on the Phillip Schofield saga. Lets take a listen. Everybody knew there take a listen. Everybody knew theresomething 4 15. 6 everybody knew there something wrong. And there was something wrong. And when there was something wrong. And when peopte there was something wrong. And when people around itv say, oh, we ththt when people around itv say, oh, we didnt know when people around itv say, oh, we didnt know anything about it, we didnt know anything about g, wow we didnt know anything about g, wow the. We didnt know anything about it, you did. Everybody did. I mean, everybody knew. And you mean, everybody knew. And you ethth mean, everybody knew. And you ethth ew mean, everybody knew. And you can still say its mean, everybody knew. And you can still say its a mean, everybody knew. And you can still say its a rumour heeowee can still say its a rumour because no ones actually eohthhhet because no ones actually confirmed it. Because no ones actually confirmed it. Well, philip has eohthhhet confirmed it. Well, philip has confirmed it confirmed it. Well, philip has confirmed it now. Confirmed it. Well, philip has confirmed it now. And it is now eohhhg confirmed it now. And it is now eohhhg oeoee confirmed it now. And it is now coming across as confirmed it now. And it is now coming across as though hes woteethhg coming across as though hes woteethhg too coming across as though hes protesting too much. Like im hoet protesting too much. Like im innocent. Well, protesting too much. Like im innocent. Well, im not hoet innocent. Well, im not innocent. Im innocent. Well, im not innocent. Im the guilty party. Who innocent. Im the guilty party. Who oe innocent. Im the guilty party. Who oe seah innocent. Im the guilty party. And as sean just innocent. Im the guilty party. And as sean just said, actually ont and as sean just said, actually the h and as sean just said, actually the h eoht and as sean just said, actually and i said this and as sean just said, actually and i said this earlier , the im and i said this earlier, the im i and i said this earlier, the im h wowttht and i said this earlier, the im iwouldnt be and i said this earlier, the im i wouldnt be surprised if thewt i wouldnt be surprised if thewt ott i wouldnt be surprised if theyd all got i wouldnt be surprised if theyd all got together and eet. Theyd all got together and eoht. Thght theyd all got together and said, right, you theyd all got together and said, right, you take you take the said, right, you take you take the hht said, right, you take you take the hit, philip said, right, you take you take the hit, philip and hes eowethhg the hit, philip and hes covering everybody else because they covering everybody else because they th covering everybody else because they im absolutely convinced that they im absolutely convinced that they they im absolutely convinced that they covered they im absolutely convinced that they covered all that up ont that they covered all that up the thew that they covered all that up and they knew that they covered all that up and they knew exactly what was going and they knew exactly what was gohhg oh and they knew exactly what was going on because and they knew exactly what was going on because the way it was engheeteeh going on because the way it was ehghheetet. Ht going on because the way it was engineered, it wasnt. You knew engineered, it wasnt. You knew there engineered, it wasnt. You knew there we engineered, it wasnt. You knew there was something going on ettohght there was something going on ettohght owow there was something going on ettohght away. There was something going on straight away. On on straight straight away. On on straight away. Straight away. On on straight away whate straight away. On on straight away. Whats your straight away. On on straight away. 1 61 straight away. On on straight away. 1 1 away. Whats your reaction to that, ray, and what do you think this means for itv . I mean, Television Studios, 7 i mean, Television Studios, production eohohhhee Television Studios, production companies, broadcasters are very etoee companies, broadcasters are very etoee thht companies, broadcasters are very close knit units. Companies, broadcasters are very close knit units. You work long howe close knit units. You work long howe whth close knit units. You work long hours with each close knit units. You work long hours with each other. Ive not hours with each other. Ive not worked hours with each other. Ive not worked oh hours with each other. Ive not worked on this hours with each other. Ive not worked on this morning. I wasnt there worked on this morning. I wasnt there. Worked on this morning. I wasnt there. Hut worked on this morning. Iwasnt thete. Hut h worked on this morning. I wasnt there. But i question whether it there. But i question whether it wowtt there. But i question whether it wowtt howe there. But i question whether it would have been there. But i question whether it would have been possible for the would have been possible for this relationship would have been possible for this relationship to be taking hhoe this relationship to be taking hhoee ont this relationship to be taking thee and tot this relationship to be taking place and for people not to know atout place and for people not to know about ht place and for people not to know about ht. Place and for people not to know about it. Certainly place and for people not to know about it. Certainly there was about it. Certainly there was rumours for years about this hetote rumours for years about this hetote ht rumours for years about this before it broke. Rumours for years about this before it broke. And, you know, not teet before it broke. And, you know, not just rumours before it broke. And, you know, not just rumours in the hhtwetw. Not just rumours in the industry, but not just rumours in the industry, but rumours among hehehe industry, but rumours among hehehe ot industry, but rumours among members of the industry, but rumours among members of the public as well. Who members of the public as well. Who eo members of the public as well. Who eo thhe members of the public as well. And so this certainly had a life beyond and so this certainly had a life beyond the and so this certainly had a life beyond this sort and so this certainly had a life beyond this sort of secret eohetwow beyond this sort of secret sanctuary relationship which sohotheht sanctuary relationship which schofield is sanctuary relationship which schofield is telling us about totay. Schofield is telling us about today. Schofield is telling us about totow. Wett schofield is telling us about today. Well, i schofield is telling us about today. � ftt� 644 schofield is telling us about today. today. Well, i worked at this morning for six years during this period, and everybody was talking about it. I mean, everybody was talking about lets just be honest. One thing lets just be honest. One thing i think is really interesting about this sun piece, ray, its quite clear that this has been volunteered by schofields lawyers. This is Team Schofield getting on a front foot. Theyre not being harangued and hounded by the paparazzi here. They are trying to reclaim the narrative, put their guy forward as the victim will it wash with the public . Well, there is this is going to run and run and run. Obviously, therell be a teoethoh obviously, therell be a reaction to obviously, therell be a reaction to these two interviews whth reaction to these two interviews whth hhe reaction to these two interviews whth the sun reaction to these two interviews with the sun and reaction to these two interviews with the sun and the bbc. Holly is with the sun and the bbc. Holly he hoet with the sun and the bbc. Holly he hoet oh with the sun and the bbc. Holly is back on the with the sun and the bbc. Holly is back on the sofa with the sun and the bbc. Holly is back on the sofa on monday the is back on the sofa on monday the h is back on the sofa on monday the h ooht is back on the sofa on monday and i cant see is back on the sofa on monday and i cant see how she can do that and i cant see how she can do that whthowt and i cant see how she can do that without reacting herself. That without reacting herself. Wht that without reacting herself. Who then that without reacting herself. Who then we that without reacting herself. And then we have the committee, the parliamentary and then we have the committee, the Parliamentary Committee where the Parliamentary Committee where home the Parliamentary Committee where Dame Carolyn Mccall will be where Dame Carolyn Mccall will he owned where Dame Carolyn Mccall will he gwhzzet oe where Dame Carolyn Mccall will be quizzed as well. There is no way be quizzed as well. There is no wow that be quizzed as well. There is no way that the be quizzed as well. There is no way that this is be quizzed as well. There is no way that this is going to theoppeot way that this is going to disappear. There is potentially to disappear. There is potentially more to come, disappear. There is potentially more to come, more comments to the who more to come, more comments to come, and who knows, perhaps more revelations come, and who knows, perhaps more revelations , come, and who knows, perhaps more revelations , ones as well more revelations, ones as well ehthet more revelations, ones as well ehthet atout more revelations, ones as well either about this more revelations, ones as well either about this relationship or either about this relationship ot hw either about this relationship or my ought either about this relationship or my ought there be some other thhhge or my ought there be some other thhhge thet or my ought there be some other things that have or my ought there be some other things that have happened as wett things that have happened as wett thet things that have happened as wett that we things that have happened as well that we will hear about so the horn well that we will hear about so the tom the well that we will hear about so the from the point well that we will hear about so the from the point of view of the the from the point of view of the potho the from the point of view of the public, this the from the point of view of the public, this is certainly a huge the public, this is certainly a huge etow. The public, this is certainly a huge etow. Wht the public, this is certainly a huge story. And they want to tnow huge story. And they want to know more. Ray, huge story. And they want to know more. Ray, i huge story. And they want to know more. . G; huge story. And they want to know more. 3g; know more. Ray, i just want to finally touch on Holly Willoughby, whos the other half of that partnership that was on this morning. She is on the front page of the mirror this morning portugal, very morning in portugal, very defiant , morning in portugal, very defiant, smiling in that to this camera. I smiling in that picture. She says shes going to picture. She says shes going to be back on the sofa on monday. But philip has been detailing their relationship and the fact that theyre not even speaking now. Yeah, he says he apologised to her. Now. Yeah, he says he apologised to her. Eeht now. Yeah, he says he apologised to her, sent her now. Yeah, he says he apologised to her, sent her a yeah, he says he apologised to her, sent her a message, opotoghehhg to her, sent her a message, opotoghehhg. To her, sent her a message, apologising , saying, i dont apologising, saying, i dont know apologising, saying, i dont know ht apologising, saying, i dont know if youre apologising, saying, i dont know if youre allowed to even reply know if youre allowed to even teotw to know if youre allowed to even reply to the know if youre allowed to even reply to this and know if youre allowed to even reply to this and received no tehtw. Reply to this and received no tehtw. Howee reply to this and received no reply. However obviously, as weve seen, holly has been heewhhg weve seen, holly has been issuing state weve seen, holly has been issuing state prints through her hetogtoh issuing state prints through her instagram account, which is a very instagram account, which is a very interesting instagram account, which is a very interesting modern way of tohhg very interesting modern way of tohhg ht very interesting modern way of tohhg ht. Very interesting modern way of tohhg ht. Uh. Very interesting modern way of tohhg ht. Hm. Hh very interesting modern way of doing it. Um, in terms of in doing it. Um, in terms of in tethe doing it. Um, in terms of in tethe ot doing it. Um, in terms of in terms of where doing it. Um, in terms of in terms of where holly goes next hoeh terms of where holly goes next ttoh here. Terms of where holly goes next from here, she terms of where holly goes next from here, she obviously has is a from here, she obviously has is otohhe from here, she obviously has is otohhe ot from here, she obviously has is a tonne of pressure on her. This went a tonne of pressure on her. This went o a tonne of pressure on her. This wasnt a situation a tonne of pressure on her. This wasnt a situation that she wowtt wasnt a situation that she wowtt howe wasnt a situation that she would have chosen to happen. Im too you would have chosen to happen. Im sure, for, you know, would have chosen to happen. Im sure, for, you know, questions how sure, for, you know, questions how hheh sure, for, you know, questions over how much she would have known over how much she would have known ot over how much she would have known at the over how much she would have known at the time over how much she would have known at the time and whether maybe known at the time and whether howhe ehe known at the time and whether maybe ehe ehe known at the time and whether maybe she she should have and eowtt maybe she she should have and eowht howe maybe she she should have and could have spoken maybe she she should have and could have spoken out. Maybe she maybe could have spoken out. Maybe she howhe ehe could have spoken out. Maybe she maybe ehe tho. Could have spoken out. Maybe she maybe she did. We could have spoken out. Maybe she maybe she did. We will certainly the maybe she did. We will certainly the out maybe she did. We will certainly the out. Maybe she did. We will certainly thht out. Who maybe she did. We will certainly find out. 1t g; 1 find out. And interestingly, in the in this piece and in the bbc interview, it stated there is no non disclosure agreement on the young man in question. So he could talk at any moment. Sun ray. Yes although schofield hehhg ray. Yes although schofield hehhg cheet ray. Yes although schofield being clear that 3g; v465 although schofield being clear that this young man weete being clear that this young man wohte hhe being clear that this young man wants his privacy being clear that this young man wants his privacy and has no hhtehthoh wants his privacy and has no intention of wants his privacy and has no intention of talking out at this etoge intention of talking out at this etoge ogohh intention of talking out at this etoge ogohh. Intention of talking out at this etoge ogohh. H intention of talking out at this stage again , i think this is stage again, i think this is a veto stage again, i think this is a very hheht stage again, i think this is a very fluid situation and it just tehehte very fluid situation and it just depends whether this this young heeo depends whether this this young heeo teete depends whether this this young person feels that depends whether this this young person feels that they need to set person feels that they need to eet the person feels that they need to eet the thw person feels that they need to eet the any hot person feels that they need to set the any part of the record ettohght set the any part of the record ettohght ot set the any part of the record straight or have set the any part of the record straight or have their own say. Who straight or have their own say. Who eo straight or have their own say. Who eo h straight or have their own say. And so i would straight or have their own say. And so i would be straight or have their own say. And so i would be amazed if we ththt and so i would be amazed if we ththt heee and so i would be amazed if we didnt hear something. Okay, ray. Didnt hear something. Okay, tow. Thank didnt hear something. Okay, tow. Thank you didnt hear something. Okay, ray, thank you very didnt hear something. Okay, ray, thank you very much for bringing us up to speed. This is a situation thats changing almost hour by hour at the moment. Thank you much moment. Thank you very much to our now. Do you think our next story now. Do you think hheht our next story now. Do you think htexht ttogget our next story now. Do you think brexit draggedfor 1 6x. 5. 6; do you think brexit dragged for years . Brexit dragged on for years . Wett brexit dragged on for years . Wetgt. Brexit dragged on for years . Well, like covid is well, it looks like covid is going well, it looks like covid is gohhgwow well, it looks like covid isi goingway. Well, well, it looks like covid is goingway. Well, the going the same way. Well, the government are preparing for a legal battle over Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages. The inquiry the chair of the covid inquiry tehohtet the chair of the covid inquiry demanded handed over for demanded they be handed over for her investigation, demanded they be handed over for her investigation, ministers her investigation, but ministers are her investigation, but ministers ore ohowt her investigation, but ministers are about damaging are concerned about damaging eohteht are concerned about damaging content contained in them and wont content contained in them and want irrelevant content contained in them and want irrelevant ones withheld. Want irrelevant ones withheld. Ant want irrelevant ones withheld. Ant wett. Want irrelevant ones withheld. And well, lets want irrelevant ones withheld. And well, lets speak want irrelevant ones withheld. And well, lets speak now want irrelevant ones withheld. And well, lets speak now to liberal democrat mp for Edinburgh West christine jardine. Really good to see you this morning , christine. There is morning, christine. There is a wider question here, isnt there, about communication in westminster. We understand that westminster. We understand that a lot is done via whatsapp. So a lot is done via whatsapp. So how much privacy should mps be entitled to in terms of their communication . And would you be happy to hand over all of your whatsapps and diaries to an inquiry if they ask for them . Inquiry if they ask for them . Lets be clear what were tetthhg lets be clear what were talking about lets be clear what were talking about here is not goeehh. Talking about here is not goeeho. Whet talking about here is not gossip. What were talking about here gossip. What were talking about here oe gossip. What were talking about here are important gossip. What were talking about here are important decisions whheh here are important decisions whheh wee here are important decisions which were made about the hhggeet which were made about the biggest crisis which were made about the biggest crisis wed faced as a country biggest crisis wed faced as a country ehe biggest crisis wed faced as a country since the biggest crisis wed faced as a country since the second world wot. Country since the second world wot. Heee country since the second world wot. Hehe ot country since the second world war. Tens of thousands of people thet war. Tens of thousands of people thet ehe war. Tens of thousands of people died and their war. Tens of thousands of people died and their families are wohthhg died and their families are wohthhg tot died and their families are waiting for answers. And those waiting for answers. And those answers could waiting for answers. And those answers could lie waiting for answers. And those answers could lie in the teehehohe answers could lie in the decisions which the government hote decisions which the government mote ot decisions which the government mote ot the decisions which the government made at the time, decisions which the government made at the time, which were documented made at the time, which were documented on made at the time, which were documented on these whatsapp heeeoeeg ont documented on these whatsapp messages and we documented on these whatsapp messages and we will be tabling this messages and we will be tabling thhe hwhhhe messages and we will be tabling this humble address to have theee this humble address to have these documents released , these documents released, heeowee these documents released, because these these documents released, because these families need hhe because these families need answers. The inquiry needs the hhtohhothoh answers. The inquiry needs the information to answers. The inquiry needs the information to look at what happened information to look at what happened ont information to look at what happened and see that it was handed happened and see that it was handled correctly. Now, its not up to handled correctly. Now, its not up to the handled correctly. Now, its not up to the government to decide what up to the government to decide what he up to the government to decide what is relevant up to the government to decide what is relevant to up to the government to decide what is relevant to the inquiry. Its what is relevant to the inquiry. Hte wh what is relevant to the inquiry. He to to what is relevant to the inquiry. We we to the what is relevant to the inquiry. Its up to the inquiry to decide what its up to the inquiry to decide what he its up to the inquiry to decide what is relevant its up to the inquiry to decide what is relevant to the inquiry. Hheht what is relevant to the inquiry. Hthehh sweet what is relevant to the inquiry. Rishi sunak promised us a government rishi sunak promised us a government of rishi sunak promised us a government of integrity and accountability government of integrity and accountability and it looks to so accountability and it looks to eo many accountability and it looks to eo many peopte accountability and it looks to so many people now as if they are so many people now as if they twethg so many people now as if they are ducking their so many people now as if they are ducking their responsibility to he are ducking their responsibility to be accountable and be ttoheooteht to be accountable and be transparent and this huge , transparent and this huge, hwgetw transparent and this huge, hugely important area. So chthethhe. Hugely important area. So christine, just hugely important area. So christine, just to be clear, you wowtt christine, just to be clear, you wowtt he christine, just to be clear, you wowtt he happy christine, just to be clear, you would be happy to hand over your phone would be happy to hand over your phone ont would be happy to hand over your phone and wow would be happy to hand over your phone and your your private thohee phone and your your private thohee to phone and your your private diaries to an phone and your your private diaries to an inquiry if you oetet diaries to an inquiry if you were asked for diaries to an inquiry if you were asked for them, if you were in were asked for them, if you were he the were asked for them, if you were in this situation. Were asked for them, if you were in this situation. If were asked for them, if you were in this situation. If i were a government in this situation. If i were a government minister, i would expect government minister, i would expect everything that i had eoht expect everything that i had eoht ehe expect everything that i had said and done expect everything that i had said and done which didnt otteet said and done which didnt affect National Said and done which didnt affect National Security , but affect National Security, but whheh affect National Security, but whheh we affect National Security, but which was about the covid homo. Which was about the covid hhgwhw. Atout which was about the covid inquiry, about the covid inquiry and inquiry, about the covid inquiry oht hetewoht inquiry, about the covid inquiry and relevant to inquiry, about the covid inquiry and relevant to the covid hhgwhw and relevant to the covid hhgwhw to and relevant to the covid hhgwhw to he and relevant to the covid inquiry to be available to the cowh inquiry to be available to the town hhgwhw inquiry to be available to the covid inquiry and i think thats the situation covid inquiry and i think thats the situation were in, that the the situation were in, that thhe hhgwhw the situation were in, that this inquiry needs to have all the available this inquiry needs to have all the available information so that the available information so that the the available information so that the families whove waited too tong that the families whove waited too long already that the families whove waited too long already can have the answers to the too long already can have the answers to the questions that thew answers to the questions that they ott answers to the questions that they at hove. Answers to the questions that they all have. Tens of thousands of they all have. Tens of thousands ot peopte they all have. Tens of thousands ot peopte thee. They all have. Tens of thousands of people died. We they all have. Tens of thousands of people died. We were all otteetet of people died. We were all affected in of people died. We were all affected in some way. We all we all affected in some way. We all we at hot affected in some way. We all we at hot ow affected in some way. We all we all had our lives affected in some way. We all we all had our lives affected. But so all had our lives affected. But eo many all had our lives affected. But eo hohw ot all had our lives affected. But eo many ot we all had our lives affected. But so many of us lost people we towe so many of us lost people we hove ont so many of us lost people we love and the so many of us lost people we love and the answers to how it teth love and the answers to how it was dealt with love and the answers to how it was dealt with and whether the government was dealt with and whether the government did was dealt with and whether the government did the right things, whether government did the right things, whetherete government did the right things, whetherare any government did the right things, whether are any lessons whether there are any lessons that whether there are any lessons thatooh whether there are any lessons thatcancase whether there are any lessons thatcancase thisj that we can learn in case this happene that we can learn in case this hoopehe ogohh that we can learn in case this happens again in that we can learn in case this happens again in the future. T hey happens again in the future. They eowht happens again in the future. They could lie happens again in the future. They could lie in these communications. Now so i think that communications. Now so i think that that communications. Now so i think that that he communications. Now so i think that that is the communications. Now so i think that that is the important thing here. That that is the important thing here. That that that is the important thing here, that there that that is the important thing here, that there are communications that we should howe communications that we should howe to communications that we should have access to and communications that we should have access to and that is what the have access to and that is what thhe hwhhte have access to and that is what this humble address is about. Its this humble address is about. Hte atout this humble address is about. Its about getting mps together to eow its about getting mps together to eow wo its about getting mps together to eow. To. Th its about getting mps together to say, no, im sorry, these were government decisions. The hhgwhw were government decisions. The hhgwhw heede were government decisions. The hhgwhw heete to were government decisions. The inquiry needs to see the information inquiry needs to see the information that it needs. Well, ooht information that it needs. Well, toht wow information that it needs. Well, dont you think information that it needs. Well, dont you think , information that it needs. Well, dont you think , christine, that dont you think, christine, that the potho dont you think, christine, that the public have dont you think, christine, that the public have a dont you think, christine, that the public have a fair right to a the public have a fair right to o proper the public have a fair right to a proper inquiry . 1 the public have a fair right to a proper inquiry . I mean, for example , you know, millions of example, you know, millions of people were forced into imprisonment in their own homes. £500 billion was spent on furlough with £2 trillion in debt. Furlough with £2 trillion in debt. The economy has been debt. The economy has been obliterated. Weve got record waiting lists because of lockdowns and they were lockdowns. Incidentally, the liberal democrats acas voted for, fact, the liberal for, in fact, the liberal democrats harder, sooner democrats wanted harder, sooner and longer lockdowns. So they think its a bit rich to try and pin all of this on boris or whatsapp messages when really in time entire government time the entire government machine along. Its machine willed this along. Its not about pinning anything on anyone. Its about finding out the ewee anyone. Its about finding out the answers to anyone. Its about finding out the answers to the its about finding out the answers to the questions that the answers to the questions that families the answers to the questions that families need and thats why that families need and thats who hte that families need and thats why its important that, as we say why its important that, as we eow hh why its important that, as we eow he the why its important that, as we say in this humble address , that say in this humble address, that the information say in this humble address, that the information is say in this humble address, that the information is available all so the information is available all eo that the information is available all so that these the information is available all so that these questions can be answered so that so that these questions can be answered so that lessons can be teamed. Answered so that lessons can be teethet. Eo answered so that lessons can be learned, so that answered so that lessons can be learned, so that god forbid , we learned, so that god forbid, we howe learned, so that god forbid, we have to learned, so that god forbid, we have to go learned, so that god forbid, we have to go through this again in a have to go through this again in o teeote have to go through this again in o teeote ot have to go through this again in a decade or decades time , then a decade or decades time, then peopte a decade or decades time, then peopte tnow a decade or decades time, then people know how a decade or decades time, then people know how it was dealt whth. People know how it was dealt whth. Whet people know how it was dealt with. What we people know how it was dealt with. What we got right or what the government with. What we got right or what the government got wrong. You tnow the government got wrong. You know. The government got wrong. You thow. Wow the government got wrong. You know , you know, the government got wrong. You know , you know, should the know, you know, should the government know, you know, should the government have reacted sooner . Did government have reacted sooner . Who the government have reacted sooner . Did the government react as gwhettw did the government react as gwhettw oe did the government react as gwhettw oe ht did the government react as quickly as it could . Were all the quickly as it could . Were all the thght quickly as it could . Were all the right things quickly as it could . Were all the right things done . Were all the right things done . Were all the safeguards the right things done . Were all the safeguards in the right things done . Were all the safeguards in place . What oowtt the safeguards in place . What oowttheeh the safeguards in place . What could been better . The safeguards in place . What couldbeenbetter . And could have been done better . And all could have been done better . And ott to could have been done better . And ott to theee all of the answers to these gweethohe all of the answers to these questions could all of the answers to these questions could be in those messages and questions could be in those messages and the inquiry needs access to find messages and the inquiry needs access to find out messages and the inquiry needs access to find out what could howe access to find out what could have heee access to find out what could have been done access to find out what could have been done differently, what oowtt have been done differently, what eowht howe have been done differently, what could have been have been done differently, what could have been done better, and tohote could have been done better, and tohote ee could have been done better, and tomake sure that could have been done better, and tomake sure that , could have been done better, and to make sure that , you to help us make sure that, you know. To help us make sure that, you know,doesnt to help us make sure that, you know, doesnt happen again, know, this doesnt happen again, or ht know, this doesnt happen again, or ht ht know, this doesnt happen again, or ht ht toee know, this doesnt happen again, or ht ht toee. Know, this doesnt happen again, or if it does , god know, this doesnt happen again, or if it does , god forbid, if or if it does, god forbid, if theree or if it does, god forbid, if theres another or if it does, god forbid, if theres another pandemic, we are as theres another pandemic, we are oe wett theres another pandemic, we are we wett prepared theres another pandemic, we are as well prepared as theres another pandemic, we are as well prepared as possible. As well prepared as possible. Wht as well prepared as possible. And families as well prepared as possible. And families can as well prepared as possible. And families can be reassured that and families can be reassured that ht and families can be reassured that ht whth and families can be reassured that it will be and families can be reassured that it will be dealt with as wett that it will be dealt with as wett oe that it will be dealt with as well as possible that it will be dealt with as well as possible and have the answers to the well as possible and have the answers to the questions that it teete answers to the questions that it teete veh answers to the questions that it feels very much answers to the questions that it feels very much as answers to the questions that it feels very much as if the government feels very much as if the government is feels very much as if the government is ducking out of eethewhg government is ducking out of answering. And government is ducking out of answering. And thats not oeeeotohte. Answering. And thats not acceptable. Christine i wanted to eet acceptable. Christine i wanted to eet wow acceptable. Christine i wanted to ask you about acceptable. Christine i wanted to ask you about your response to ask you about your response to eetohht to ask you about your response to Geraint Davies to ask you about your response to Geraint Davies having the tohow to Geraint Davies having the tohow whth to Geraint Davies having the labour whip removed from him otter labour whip removed from him after allegations labour whip removed from him after allegations of Sexual Misconduct after allegations of Sexual Misconduct have come out . Sewetot misconduct have come out . Several women, misconduct have come out . Several women, the misconduct have come out . Several women, the youngest being just 19 years old, obviously very, very concerned , obviously very, very concerned, earning news to too many, many people. Theres a call now for mps and peers accused of violent and Sexual Offences to be banned from westminster. So parliamentary estate or going on taxpayer funded trips. Do you taxpayer funded trips. Do you agree with that . I think we have agree with that . I think we have to toot agree with that . I think we have to toot veh agree with that . I think we have to look very carefully. Agree with that . I think we have to look very carefully. I gghzhz. g. 7 i think we have to look very carefully. I dont tnow to look very carefully. I dont know the to look very carefully. I dont know the specifics of the allegations know the specifics of the allegations , know the specifics of the allegations , but we have to look allegations, but we have to look very allegations, but we have to look very eotetwthw allegations, but we have to look very carefully, continue only at the situation very carefully, continue only at the situation at very carefully, continue only at the situation at westminster and our responsibilities. And i our responsibilities. And i ooht our responsibilities. And i dont think our responsibilities. And i dont think that that we should hott dont think that that we should ever hold back dont think that that we should ever hold back from making sure that ever hold back from making sure that ow ever hold back from making sure that our employees are as safe ont that our employees are as safe the oe that our employees are as safe and as comfortable in the wottohoee and as comfortable in the workplace as and as comfortable in the workplace as possible. And we workplace as possible. And we ehowht workplace as possible. And we ehowht to workplace as possible. And we should do whatever it takes to protect should do whatever it takes to protect that. Should do whatever it takes to protect that. And should do whatever it takes to protect that. And if we need another protect that. And if we need another commission to look at it, another commission to look at g, then another commission to look at g, then we another commission to look at it, then we should another commission to look at it, then we should do that. But the hhoottoht it, then we should do that. But the important thing is that we keep the important thing is that we keep peopte the important thing is that we keep peopte oe the important thing is that we keep people as safe as possible ont keep people as safe as possible the oe keep people as safe as possible and as comfortable as possible in and as comfortable as possible he hot and as comfortable as possible he hot wet and as comfortable as possible in not just westminster, but in worthhoeee in not just westminster, but in workplaces throughout the eowhtw workplaces throughout the eowhtw. Workplaces throughout the country. Okay, workplaces throughout the country. Country. Okay, christine, manoeuvres north of the border today, lots of labour, top brass heading north of the border to make a power play. Gordon brown, mike drakeford, andy burnham and West Yorkshire mayor tracy brabin going up there calling for a united action in scotland. Pro uk. This is a clear power pro uk. This is a clear power play pro uk. This is a clear power play isnt it . By the labour party to try and get votes from the crumbling snp . Well, party to try and get votes from the crumbling snp . Well , the the crumbling snp . Well, the labour the crumbling snp . Well, the tohow torto the crumbling snp . Well, the labour party coming the crumbling snp . Well, the labour party coming to 64. 1; 53h 7 well, the labour party coming to scotland. Tohow labour party coming to scotland. Tohow torto labour party coming to scotland , labour party used to be the tohhhoht , labour party used to be the tohhhoht potty , labour party used to be the dominant party in scotland and i thhh dominant party in scotland and i think realistically dominant party in scotland and i think realistically with the ehtwothoh think realistically with the situation in think realistically with the situation in scotland at the hoheht situation in scotland at the moment ont situation in scotland at the moment and the snp support is , moment and the snp support is, as moment and the snp support is, oe wow moment and the snp support is, we wow eow moment and the snp support is, as you say, crumbling, then when peopte as you say, crumbling, then when peopte oe as you say, crumbling, then when people are looking as you say, crumbling, then when people are looking for alternative people are looking for alternative ways, not just the hohow alternative ways, not just the hohow hottw alternative ways, not just the hohow hottw. Alternative ways, not just the labour party , but theyll be labour party, but theyll be hoothhg labour party, but theyll be looking presumably, hopefully to ourselves as well. Looking presumably, hopefully to ourselves as well. The liberal hehoetote ourselves as well. The liberal hehootote. Ourselves as well. The liberal democrats. And ourselves as well. The liberal democrats. And its up to all of democrats. And its up to all of us democrats. And its up to all of we to democrats. And its up to all of we to otter democrats. And its up to all of us to offer the democrats. And its up to all of us to offer the people of soothoht us to offer the people of scotland the us to offer the people of scotland the best possible twtwe scotland the best possible future that scotland the best possible future that we scotland the best possible future that we can and what we ot future that we can and what we ot the future that we can and what we see at the moment future that we can and what we see at the moment is that our whe see at the moment is that our the he see at the moment is that our nhs is crumbling see at the moment is that our nhs is crumbling, see at the moment is that our nhs is crumbling , that our nhs is crumbling, that our etwoothoh nhs is crumbling, that our Education System is under extraordinary Education System is under extraordinary pressure and were twhhthhg extraordinary pressure and were twhhthhg town extraordinary pressure and were tumbling down into the national heogwe tumbling down into the national heogwe tottee. Tumbling down into the National League tables. Weve got the thoeoo league tables. Weve got the thoeeo ooet league tables. Weve got the fiasco over the league tables. Weve got the fiasco over the ferries and peopte fiasco over the ferries and peopte oe fiasco over the ferries and people are looking for change. Thewte people are looking for change. Theyre looking people are looking for change. Theyre looking for a more hoehthwe theyre looking for a more positive outlook in scotland and thew positive outlook in scotland and thew toot positive outlook in scotland and thew toot ot positive outlook in scotland and they look at westminster and thew they look at westminster and thew toot they look at westminster and thew toot ot they look at westminster and they look at you they look at westminster and they look at you know, those of us they look at you know, those of we who they look at you know, those of us who were involved in politics in us who were involved in politics hh 20h. Us who were involved in politics in 2015. Remember us who were involved in politics in 2015. Remember that the snp otohhet in 2015. Remember that the snp otohhet thet in 2015. Remember that the snp claimed that they in 2015. Remember that the snp claimed that they would be a ettohget claimed that they would be a stronger voice claimed that they would be a stronger voice for claimed that they would be a stronger voice for scotland than the other stronger voice for scotland than the other parties. Stronger voice for scotland than the other parties. And what weve actually the other parties. And what weve actually seen is that thewwe weve actually seen is that thewwe twet weve actually seen is that theyve just become a whining, eohotohhhhg theyve just become a whining, complaining voice for scotland ont complaining voice for scotland the ooht complaining voice for scotland and dont actually do anything constructive. And dont actually do anything constructive. Lviv and dont actually do anything constructive. Lviv and think constructive. Lviv and i think it constructive. Lviv and i think htlthhe constructive. Lviv and i think htlthhe thet constructive. Lviv and i think itltime that the constructive. Lviv and i think it time that the people of it is time that the people of soottoht it is time that the people of scotland were it is time that the people of scotland were offered a much better scotland were offered a much better alternative. Better alternative. Okay. Chthethhe better alternative. Okay. Christine jardine really good to see you this morning. Thank you very your time. Okay. Very much for your time. Okay. And bring you up to date and lets bring you up to date now with all rest todays now with all the rest of todays top stories. And a man arrest tottowhhg top stories. And a man arrest tottowhhg the top stories. And a man arrest following the deaths and a man arrest following the deaths of two wowhgetete following the deaths of two youngsters bournemouth beach youngsters off bournemouth beach has youngsters off bournemouth beach hoe whoe has been released under investigation. Has been released under investigation. has been released under investigation. 1 716. 46 investigation. A 12 Year Old Girl from buckinghamshire and a 17 year old boy from South Hampton died after being pulled from the sea on wednesday afternoon , june 8th. Others were afternoon, june 8th. Others were treated for non life threatening injuries. And almost 35,000 more injuries. And almost 35,000 more patients a month are waiting longer than two weeks for a Cancer Hospital appointment. Thats according to labour. That eowe thats according to labour. That eowe the thats according to labour. That eowe the tohget thats according to labour. That says the longer waits can no hohget says the longer waits can no hohget he says the longer waits can no longer be blamed on covid oohtehhe longer be blamed on covid pandemic backlogs. A government ehoteehoh pandemic backlogs. A government eooteehoh eowe pandemic backlogs. A government Spokesman Says the pandemic backlogs. A government Spokesman Says the nhs is teotwhthhg Spokesman Says the nhs is teotwhthhg o Spokesman Says the nhs is recruiting a Record Number of tootote recruiting a Record Number of toetote ont recruiting a Record Number of doctors and nurses and investing an doctors and nurses and investing oh exto doctors and nurses and investing an extra teee doctors and nurses and investing an extra £45. 6 billion into heotth an extra £45. 6 billion into heotth ont an extra £45. 6 billion into health and social care. Health and social care. British ahtwtwe health and social care. British ahtwowe hoe health and social care. British airways has been fined almost £1 million by the Us Government over claims it failed to pay refunds for cancelled flights dunng refunds for cancelled flights during the pandemic. The us transport Department Said it received more than 1200 complaints. British airways has refuted the claim, saying it acted lawfully at all times. Acted lawfully at all times. And a white house spokesman acted lawfully at all times. And a white house Spokesman Says us and a white house Spokesman Says we heehteht and a white house Spokesman Says us president joe and a white house Spokesman Says us President Joe Biden is fine otter us President Joe Biden is fine otter thhhg us President Joe Biden is fine after tripping over a sandbag ont after tripping over a sandbag oht tetthhg after tripping over a sandbag and falling on after tripping over a sandbag and falling on stage at the gtotwothoh and falling on stage at the Graduation Ceremony at the us air Graduation Ceremony at the us ah totoe Graduation Ceremony at the us air force academy. The 80 year Old Air Force academy. The 80 year ott oteehteht air force academy. The 80 year old president quickly got back on he old president quickly got back on hhe teet old president quickly got back on his feet after old president quickly got back on his feet after being helped up by on his feet after being helped wo hw thee on his feet after being helped up by three assistants and these are up by three assistants and these hhoe up by three assistants and these are live pictures up by three assistants and these are live pictures coming from twetoh are live pictures coming from twetoh tot are live pictures coming from euston for you are live pictures coming from euston for you right now as rail ooeeehgete euston for you right now as rail passengers face euston for you right now as rail passengers face continued travel thetwhthoh passengers face continued travel disruption with passengers face continued travel disruption with a passengers face continued travel disruption with a fresh wave of etthtee disruption with a fresh wave of etthtee tottow disruption with a fresh wave of strikes today. Disruption with a fresh wave of strikes today. I161 disruption with a fresh wave of strikes today. Strikes today. Members of the rmt union across england are walking out in that long running dispute overjobs walking out in that long running dispute over jobs , walking out in that long running dispute overjobs , pay and dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. Meanwhile members of the aslef union will strike again tomorrow. Again tomorrow. Now, with the Scottish National party reeling from revelations about their accounts. Scotlands political future is up for grabs and labour are keen to take advantage. Edge, and labour are keen to take advantage. Edge, led by former advantage. Edge, led by former hhhhetet advantage. Edge, led by former minister prime g6 g edge, led by former minister Prime Minister gordon how minister Prime Minister gordon hohw a minister Prime Minister gordon hohw a group minister Prime Minister gordon brown. A group of minister Prime Minister gordon brown. A group of leading labour oohhthohohe brown. A group of leading labour politicians have brown. A group of leading labour politicians have banded together to oohoohgh politicians have banded together to oohoohgh tot politicians have banded together to campaign for the reform of the to campaign for the reform of the uhhtet to campaign for the reform of the United Kingdom. Cj4. . 6 the United Kingdom. Our scotland tepottet the United Kingdom. Our scotland reporter tony mcguire was at the event. Good morning to you, tony. What was it like . Bring us tony. What was it like . Bring us up to speed. Good morning, amy. Up to speed. Good morning, amy. Hhte up to speed. Good morning, amy. Oggg, gwhte up to speed. Good morning, amy. Ewhte. Gwhte oh up to speed. Good morning, amy. Quite, quite an unusual 4. 6 good morning, amy. Quite, quite an unusual sense teohhw quite, quite an unusual sense teottw to quite, quite an unusual sense teottw to eee quite, quite an unusual sense really to see labour uk and soothe really to see labour uk and scotland and really to see labour uk and scotland and indeed welsh labour toothhg scotland and indeed welsh labour toothhg gwhte scotland and indeed welsh labour looking quite gallus up on etoge looking quite gallus up on etoge. We looking quite gallus up on stage. We would say, and quite a toge stage. We would say, and quite a totge owhtehoe stage. We would say, and quite a large audience, i stage. We would say, and quite a large audience, i would say theree large audience, i would say theres about, large audience, i would say theres about, you know, just north theres about, you know, just north ot theres about, you know, just north ot hoo theres about, you know, just north of 750 people there and eettohhhw north of 750 people there and oettohhhw the north of 750 people there and certainly the message was that hheeheothwe certainly the message was that irrespective of certainly the message was that irrespective of kind of ooththooh irrespective of kind of political opinion and said that ootwottw political opinion and said that ootwottw the political opinion and said that actually the conversation action heede actually the conversation action heete to actually the conversation action needs to change actually the conversation action needs to change away from this ot needs to change away from this sense of polarity needs to change away from this sense of polarity that weve teethw sense of polarity that weve really become sense of polarity that weve really become used to. So eeottheh really become used to. So scottish politics really since hetote scottish politics really since hetote the scottish politics really since before the 2014 scottish politics really since before the 2014 independence tetetehtwh before the 2014 independence referendum has before the 2014 independence referendum has been divided ethhght referendum has been divided straight down referendum has been divided straight down the middle, tottowet straight down the middle, tottowet wh straight down the middle, followed up very closely with the hheht followed up very closely with the brexit referendum. And that the brexit referendum. And that just the brexit referendum. And that twet teohtw the brexit referendum. And that twet teottw hoe the brexit referendum. And that just really has kind of sown twthet just really has kind of sown further division. Just really has kind of sown further division. So the message teet further division. So the message hoet hhght further division. So the message teet hhght we further division. So the message last night was quite clear that hheeheethwe last night was quite clear that irrespective of last night was quite clear that irrespective of how you feel how irrespective of how you feel about wanting irrespective of how you feel about wanting independence, i teeheot about wanting independence, i teeheot ot about wanting independence, i teeoeot oh how about wanting independence, i respect of how you feel about teewhhg respect of how you feel about teewhhg the respect of how you feel about leaving the eu respect of how you feel about leaving the eu that we are where we wht leaving the eu that we are where we are. And now leaving the eu that we are where we are. And now that the ehtwethoh we are. And now that the situation is we are. And now that the situation is what it is, we ehowht situation is what it is, we ehowht he situation is what it is, we should be making the best of it. Of should be making the best of it. Oh oowee should be making the best of it. Of course, gordon should be making the best of it. Of course, gordon brown leading the ohetge of course, gordon brown leading the ohetge. Ew of course, gordon brown leading the charge. Our scottish future. He the charge. Our scottish future. He published the charge. Our scottish future. He published a the charge. Our scottish future. He published a paper at the eht. He published a paper at the end ot. He published a paper at the end ot teet. He published a paper at the end of last year. He published a paper at the end of last year talking about the heee end of last year talking about the need to end of last year talking about the need to abolish the house of hotte the need to abolish the house of hotte eht the need to abolish the house of hotte end he the need to abolish the house of lords and he was the need to abolish the house of lords and he was talking quite extehehwehw lords and he was talking quite extensively about lords and he was talking quite extensively about the need to thhhg extensively about the need to hhhg peopte extensively about the need to bring people together that , you bring people together that, you tnow. Bring people together that, you know. E bring people together that, you know. E tot bring people together that, you know. E hot ot bring people together that, you know, a lot of people consider thgteht know, a lot of people consider thgteht eht know, a lot of people consider england and scotland to feel twthet england and scotland to feel twthet eoett england and scotland to feel further apart than really they hete further apart than really they hewe tone further apart than really they have done before. And i think we throw have done before. And i think we throw to have done before. And i think we throw to e have done before. And i think we can throw to a clip have done before. And i think we can throw to a clip now where he reettw can throw to a clip now where he really expresses can throw to a clip now where he really expresses that in only a way really expresses that in only a wew thet really expresses that in only a wew thet he really expresses that in only a way that he can. Really expresses that in only a way that he can. Some people say thet way that he can. Some people say thet sootheht way that he can. Some people say that scotland and way that he can. Some people say that scotland and england are now so different that scotland and england are now so different and have trhttet now so different and have drifted apart now so different and have drifted apart that there is no Common Ground drifted apart that there is no Common Ground between the two of ae Common Ground between the two of we ht Common Ground between the two of we ht the Common Ground between the two of us. As if the mayors Common Ground between the two of us. As if the mayors here Common Ground between the two of us. � us. As if the mayors here this evening and the first minister are somehow on a different planet. I tell you, we stand for the same objectives. We want a the same objectives. We want a country of equality, of fairness , of dignity for all, and where it is safe for diversity to flourish instead of the old uniformity of the past. And some uniformity of the past. And some people say youve got to choose between being scottish or being british and you cannot be both. But what you will see tonight is people from every single part of the United Kingdom committed to the United Kingdom committed to the change that i believe we can all support over the next few years. And certainly all support over the next few years. And certainly gordon years. And certainly gordon brown years. And certainly gordon brown wasnt years. And certainly gordon brown wasnt the ;6g5 and certainly gordon brown wasnt the only speaker teet brown wasnt the only speaker heet hhght. Brown wasnt the only speaker heet hhght. We brown wasnt the only speaker last night. We had andy burnham trom last night. We had andy burnham troh greeter last night. We had andy burnham from greater manchester, the wewor from greater manchester, the hewor there. From greater manchester, the mayor there, and from greater manchester, the mayor there, and he was really tooweeet mayor there, and he was really tooweeet oh mayor there, and he was really focussed on a mayor there, and he was really focussed on a radical plan for a rewhret focussed on a radical plan for a rewired britain. Focussed on a radical plan for a rewired britain. He focussed on a radical plan for a rewired britain. He called it, where rewired britain. He called it, where he rewired britain. He called it, where he wants rewired britain. He called it, where he wants to see more tewowet where he wants to see more devolved powers where he wants to see more devolved powers spread across the wh devolved powers spread across the wt. Hot devolved powers spread across the uk, not certainly just in sootteht the uk, not certainly just in sootheht. The uk, not certainly just in scotland. Ed the uk, not certainly just in scotland. Ed and of course mark scotland. Ed and of course mark hretetort scotland. Ed and of course Mark Drakeford did scotland. Ed and of course Mark Drakeford did as scotland. Ed and of course Mark Drakeford did as well. And he tetthhg drakeford did as well. And he was talking about a solidarity of was talking about a solidarity or hoehthwhtw was talking about a solidarity or hoehthwhtw. Was talking about a solidarity of positivity. He was talking about a solidarity of positivity. He wants people of positivity. He wants people to he of positivity. He wants people to he wehte of positivity. He wants people to be wants to of positivity. He wants people to be wants to be of positivity. He wants people to be wants to be in the uk, wehte to be wants to be in the uk, wehte theh to be wants to be in the uk, wants them to to be wants to be in the uk, wants them to achieve what their hotehtheh wants them to achieve what their potehtheh he wants them to achieve what their potehtheh he. Wants them to achieve what their potential is. And wants them to achieve what their potential is. And of course anas potential is. And of course anas serwer potential is. And of course anas serwer. Potential is. And of course anas serwer. He potential is. And of course anas serwer. He hee potential is. And of course anas sarwar , he has been going from sarwar, he has been going from etrehgth sarwar, he has been going from etrehgth to sarwar, he has been going from strength to strength in recent hohthe. Strength to strength in recent hohthe. He strength to strength in recent months. He smells blood in the weter months. He smells blood in the weter erhowt months. He smells blood in the water around the months. He smells blood in the water around the snp camp and he twtw water around the snp camp and he twthw hhtehte water around the snp camp and he twttw hhtehte. Water around the snp camp and he fully intends , in water around the snp camp and he fully intends , in his water around the snp camp and he fully intends , in his own words, fully intends, in his own words, to hete fully intends, in his own words, to hete e fully intends, in his own words, to hete e wh fully intends, in his own words, to make a uk wide fully intends, in his own words, to make a uk wide labour party in to make a uk wide labour party hh tethe to make a uk wide labour party hh terhe ot to make a uk wide labour party in terms of labour in terms of labour representation in wales , representation in wales, hhght. Representation in wales, england, the representation in wales, england, the uk and scotland the england, the uk and scotland come the next england, the uk and scotland come the next round of elections. Come the next round of elections. So come the next round of elections. So you know, eertehhhw elections. So you know, oertehhhw e elections. So you know, certainly a lot elections. So you know, certainly a lot of a lot of ooetthwhtw certainly a lot of a lot of hoehthwhtw. E certainly a lot of a lot of positivity, a lot certainly a lot of a lot of positivity, a lot of forward thhhthhg positivity, a lot of forward thinking and positivity, a lot of forward thinking and certainly a lot of peopte thinking and certainly a lot of peopte hh thinking and certainly a lot of peopte hh thet thinking and certainly a lot of people in that room who were fed up people in that room who were fed we ot people in that room who were fed we ot the people in that room who were fed up of the current people in that room who were fed up of the current polarity theowee up of the current polarity theowee. Up of the current polarity discourse. And i really lack of discourse. And i really lack of threothoh discourse. And i really lack of threethoh hh discourse. And i really lack of direction in and discourse. And i really lack of direction in and theyre looking for direction in and theyre looking tor ohehge. Direction in and theyre looking for change. Okay. Direction in and theyre looking for change. Cj mean, youre laughing. Martin mean, youre laughing. Martin but i actually struggled to watch this clip because he struggles to get up. If youre listening on the radio, three people have to help him get up. I think its quite distressing. I think its quite distressing. Yeah. I i think its quite distressing. Yeah. I mean, the reason im ohorthhhg yeah. I mean, the reason im ehorthhhg he yeah. I mean, the reason im chortling is because its not the chortling is because its not the thet chortling is because its not the first time. Chortling is because its not the first time. And i just think who the first time. And i just think who oh the first time. And i just think who on eerth the first time. And i just think who on earth would leave a eehtheg who on earth would leave a sandbag next who on earth would leave a sandbag next to who on earth would leave a sandbag next to a podium where joe sandbag next to a podium where roe hhteh sandbag next to a podium where roe then he sandbag next to a podium where joe biden is going sandbag next to a podium where joe biden is going to stand . I mean, heres a joe biden is going to stand . I mean, heres a guy that falls woetehre mean, heres a guy that falls woetehre. Hte mean, heres a guy that falls upstairs. Its quite hard to tett upstairs. Its quite hard to fall upstairs. Upstairs. Its quite hard to fall upstairs. We all fall downstairs fall upstairs. We all fall downstairs. Fall upstairs. We all fall downstairs. He falls upstairs. Downstairs. He falls upstairs. Hee downstairs. He falls upstairs. Hee getthhg downstairs. He falls upstairs. Hes getting frail. Hes getting thhh hes getting frail. Hes getting hhthrh. H hes getting frail. Hes getting infirm. I think hes getting frail. Hes getting infirm. I think thats the hhgger infirm. I think thats the bigger pointe infirm. I think thats the bigger point, which isnt funny 9uv bigger point, which isnt funny. Gww thete bigger point, which isnt funny. Gww thete hh. This is the guy thats in oherge. This is the guy thats in ohergelthe. This is the guy thats in charge. The free. This is the guy thats in charge the free world, the charge of the free world, the hoet charge of the free world, the most powerful charge of the free world, the most powerful nation in the weet most powerful nation in the weetthe most powerful nation in the weetthe hhg most powerful nation in the west. The big question, west. And the big question, i gweee west. And the big question, i gweeehe west. And the big question, i gweeelhelwh west. And the big question, i gweeelhelwh to west. And the big question, i guess, is up to the job guess, is, is he up to the job of guess, is, is he up to the job ot ehother guess, is, is he up to the job of another term . Guess, is, is he up to the job of another term . And certainly peopte of another term . And certainly peopte ee of another term . And certainly people are talking about that on the eh people are talking about that on the he vhewe people are talking about that on the gb views whos here, ellie hee the gb views whos here, ellie tee e the gb views whos here, ellie tee e soto. The gb views whos here, ellie hee e sorrw. Hee the gb views whos here, ellie lee . Sorry. Les is the gb views whos here, ellie lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my wew lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my view r lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my. Hhteh lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my view , biden needs lee . Sorry. Les is saying, in my view , biden needs to go into view, biden needs to go into hhthhg view, biden needs to go into hhthhg hh view, biden needs to go into hhthhg hh eh view, biden needs to go into hiding in an equivocal kind of etee hiding in an equivocal kind of stance on that. Hiding in an equivocal kind of stance on that. And then marcia eewe stance on that. And then marcia eewe h stance on that. And then marcia eewe h the stance on that. And then marcia eewe. H the h stance on that. And then marcia says, i live in north america. Hhtehe says, i live in north america. Bidens recent says, i live in north america. Bidens recent falls made me thhh bidens recent falls made me thhhh ht bidens recent falls made me thhhh ht the bidens recent falls made me think, if the uk bidens recent falls made me think, if the uk doesnt want swhet think, if the uk doesnt want swhet eht think, if the uk doesnt want sunak and please, can you send hth sunak and please, can you send hhh to sunak and please, can you send hhh to wee sunak and please, can you send hhh to wee we sunak and please, can you send him to us . We have sunak and please, can you send him to us . We have a grim choice between him to us . We have a grim choice between too him to us . We have a grim choice between too old him to us . We have a grim choice between too old and him to us . We have a grim choice between too old and too crazy. I thhh between too old and too crazy. I thhht thewre between too old and too crazy. I think theyre referring to maybe hohett think theyre referring to maybe hohett thhh think theyre referring to maybe donald trump in think theyre referring to maybe donald trump in that point. But yeah, donald trump in that point. But weeh he donald trump in that point. But yeah he eee donald trump in that point. But yeah, he seems to donald trump in that point. But yeah, he seems to have quite an etthhhtw yeah, he seems to have quite an etthhhtw tor yeah, he seems to have quite an affinity for taking yeah, he seems to have quite an affinity for taking a yeah, he seems to have quite an affinity for taking a tumble. Wett affinity for taking a tumble. Wet to affinity for taking a tumble. Wet to he affinity for taking a tumble. Well, he is so affinity for taking a tumble. Well, he is 80 years affinity for taking a tumble. 80 646. Well, he is 80 years old, isnt he . And if he gets this second term, hed be 86. Its you can imagine his family would be concerned about that and his health. Let us know what you think of that. Gb views cbnnews. Com. But do stay with us because weve got lots more to come, including well be live from epsom downs racecourse as the annual festival gets underway later today. This is breakfast on gb news. Good morning. Welcome back. You are watching and listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. And remember, do get in touch with us this morning on any of the stories that were talking about today. Vaiews gbnews. Uk com and the and the famous epsom festival kicks off today but the Animal Rights Group Animal Rising who disrupted the grand national are now planning to halt this weekends derby. Well, it comes after the jockey club were granted a High Court Injunction in a bid to prevent protesters from disrupting the races. Well, protesters from disrupting the races. Well, were joined now by races. Well, were joined now by our races. Well, were joined now by reporter races. Well, were joined now by our reporter peter 6 well, were joined now by our reporter peter paul hawkins, who our reporter peter paul hawkins, who he our reporter peter paul hawkins, who he et our reporter peter paul hawkins, who he et the our reporter peter paul hawkins, who is at the epsom downs race course. Morning who is at the epsom downs race course. Morning to who is at the epsom downs race course. Morning to you, paul. So we ehote course. Morning to you, paul. So we ehote to course. Morning to you, paul. So we eoote to the course. Morning to you, paul. So we spoke to the jockey club eerther we spoke to the jockey club earlier there, we spoke to the jockey club earlier there, expecting trouble any earlier there, expecting trouble ehw hewe earlier there, expecting trouble any news about earlier there, expecting trouble any news about how extensive thete any news about how extensive thete gohhg any news about how extensive thete gohhg to any news about how extensive thats going to be any news about how extensive thats going to be there . 16; thats going to be there . They are thats going to be there . They teewhhg thats going to be there . They are leaving no thats going to be there . They are leaving no stone thats going to be there . They are leaving no stone unturned, martin, as they try to make this a race as secure as possible, this two day festival, really, because not just about the derby, which takes place tomorrow. It is a two day festival with a series of races. The big race today is the oaks, so therell a lot of focus on so therell be a lot of focus on that well. Potential that as well. Potential disruption well. But disruption there as well. But the jockey club, which owns epsom racecourse, theyve spent over £150,000 extra security. Over £150,000 on extra security. Theyve liaising with the theyve been liaising with the police. And the really tricky thing we saw the thing about epsom, we saw the disruption in at aintree for the grand national, the really tncky grand national, the really tricky thing about epsom is that the core here is so open, it sits within the epsom downs. There are many, many Access Points, whereas when you look at aintree, theres a lot of fencing all around the perimeter and they have paid for extra fencing here, its pretty fencing here, but its pretty difficult. So to be honest, difficult. And so to be honest, ive nevin ive been speaking to Nevin Truesdale, myself, ceo of truesdale, myself, the ceo of the club, and well hear the jockey club, and well hear from him in just a moment. But he was telling me that, yeah, theyve been trying to go for theyve been trying to go for the prevention strategy, but its difficult. So its really difficult. So theyve been looking, to be honest, more at contingency me because says that its a because nevin says that its a question but when it question not if, but when it happens tomorrow, when the derby takes place. Heres what he told us earlier about the measures theyre and make theyre taking to try and make it more secure race. Youd it a more secure race. Youd expect that any major sporting event there would be significant security in place and crowd control. Ultimately for peoples eetetw control. Ultimately for peoples eetetw. Control. Ultimately for peoples eetetw. Aht control. Ultimately for peoples safety. And the 6 ultimately for peoples safety. And the derby festival , safety. And the derby festival, ot safety. And the derby festival, ot the safety. And the derby festival, one of the biggest sporting tehtherte one of the biggest sporting landmarks in one of the biggest sporting landmarks in the calendar, i thhh landmarks in the calendar, i thhht hte landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair to landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair to say, is no thttereht think its fair to say, is no different to think its fair to say, is no different to that. Of course, the different to that. Of course, thhe weer different to that. Of course, this year were different to that. Of course, this year were facing the threet this year were facing the threet ot this year were facing the threat of illegal and disruptive oroteete threat of illegal and disruptive oroteete. Wht threat of illegal and disruptive protests. And lets be clear thet protests. And lets be clear thet thew protests. And lets be clear that they are protests. And lets be clear that they are illegal and we hewe that they are illegal and we hewe hwt that they are illegal and we hewe owt hh that they are illegal and we have put in extra security presence that have put in extra security presence that youd expect worthhg presence that youd expect working with presence that youd expect working with surrey police, worthhg working with surrey police, working with working with surrey police, working with our security oerthere working with our Security Partners, extra working with our Security Partners, extra fencing around the we partners, extra fencing around the site, which partners, extra fencing around the site, which is partners, extra fencing around the site, which is a huge shame heoewee the site, which is a huge shame heoewee ht the site, which is a huge shame heoewee ht he the site, which is a huge shame because it is going the site, which is a huge shame because it is going to impact the because it is going to impact the whewhhg because it is going to impact the viewing of because it is going to impact the viewing of some people who are the viewing of some people who ethe the viewing of some people who ehte to the viewing of some people who are able to come the viewing of some people who are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You ethe are able to come and watch. You ehte to are able to come and watch. You are able to come are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch the derby are able to come and watch the herhw tor are able to come and watch the herhw tor tree are able to come and watch the derby for free in are able to come and watch the derby for free in the middle of theeht derby for free in the middle of the and accessibility to the downs and accessibility to thet the downs and accessibility to thethe the downs and accessibility to thethehwtl the downs and accessibility to thatbebut it| that will still be there, but it whth that will still be there, but it whth he that will still be there, but it will be there that will still be there, but it will be there will be restrictions will be there will be restrictions around in restrictions around that in tethe restrictions around that in terhelhow restrictions around that in termshowarel restrictions around that in termslhoware getting terms of how people are getting in. Terms of how people are getting hh. Theee terms of how people are getting hhtheee ee terms of how people are getting in. These are some terms of how people are getting in. These are some of the in. And these are some of the eeorhthoee in. And these are some of the sacrifices that in. And these are some of the sacrifices that weve had to hete sacrifices that weve had to make because sacrifices that weve had to make because of the very clear eht make because of the very clear eheeht make because of the very clear andand illegal make because of the very clear and and illegal threat and present and illegal threat thet so and present and illegal threat thet so weehl that were facing. So yeah, wewhh that were facing. So yeah, Nevin Truesdale there, the ceo of Nevin Truesdale there, the ceo ot the Nevin Truesdale there, the ceo or the jockey Nevin Truesdale there, the ceo of the jockey club, who admits hee of the jockey club, who admits he hehowe of the jockey club, who admits hes nervous, hes of the jockey club, who admits hes nervous, hes very nervous ehowt hes nervous, hes very nervous about tomorrow hes nervous, hes very nervous about tomorrow. Hes nervous, hes very nervous about tomorrow. I hes nervous, hes very nervous about tomorrow. 1 about tomorrow. I spoke to him when i was here last year, and he was much more relaxed than he seems nervous now. So they are expecting some sort of disruption when the derby takes place tomorrow afternoon. Today, its all about the oaks. Place tomorrow afternoon. Today, its all about the oaks. I have spoken to nevin, by the way, and thatis spoken to nevin, by the way, and that is the Queen Elizabeth ii stand , where, of course, her stand, where, of course, her majesty big horse fan, horse racing fan trainer as well. The royal family wont be here, apparently. So a little bit of a apparently. So a little bit of a disappointment there. But plenty of people expected later today. And as i say, the big one should be the oaks. All organs. Good to see you this morning. 3 good to see you this morning. Thank you wew. See you this morning. Thank you werw. Werw see you this morning. Thank you werw. Werw hweh. See you this morning. Thank you very, very much. Were joined in the atten very, very much. Were joined in| the aidan magee, the studio now by aidan magee, the studio now by aidan magee, thebroadcast the studio now by aidan magee, the broadcast master. The sports broadcast master. Andr the sports broadcast master. Whthwe the sports broadcast master. And,we heard the sports broadcast master. And, we heard paul and, aidan, we heard paul teeerhhet and, aidan, we heard paul described that and, aidan, we heard paul described that jockey club described that the jockey club hewe described that the jockey club have admitted described that the jockey club have admitted theyre nervous eheet have admitted theyre nervous eheet ot have admitted theyre nervous eheet ot the have admitted theyre nervous ahead of the epsom derby because this ahead of the epsom derby because thhe he ahead of the epsom derby because thhe he gohhg ahead of the epsom derby because thhe he gohhg to ahead of the epsom derby because this is going to be ahead of the epsom derby because this is going to be hard to heheeg this is going to be hard to heheeg hte this is going to be hard to manage. 66 6 this is going to be hard to manage. 66 6 manage. Its going to be extremely hard. Ellie, good morning you both. By the way, morning to you both. By the way, i say that there needs to i would say that there needs to be strategy longer term on be a strategy longer term on this. Every were facing this. Every time were facing a big race day or race big major race day or a race meeting a weekend, this is meeting over a weekend, this is becoming you have becoming the story you have to ignore people sometime ignore these people sometime along the biggest along the line. The biggest problem in football, in problem we had in football, in football, probably last football, probably in the last 40 was football 40 odd years was football violence. When it ceased 40 odd years was football vicbecome when it ceased 40 odd years was football vicbecome front when it ceased 40 odd years was football vicbecome front page it ceased 40 odd years was football vicbecome front page news, sed to become front page news, suddenly these suddenly you denied these hoougans suddenly you denied these hooligans oxygen of hooligans the oxygen of pubuchy hooligans the oxygen of publicity and the just publicity and the thing just evaporated. It wasnt the only dynamic affected things. Dynamic that affected things. There of things there were all sorts of things that into it, but that that played into it, but that was the main thing. As soon as they stopped front page they stopped being front page and in the pull and back page and in the pull outs everything, thats when outs and everything, thats when the away. And the problem just went away. And its this time this its the similar this time this Animal Rights or any other protest group cannot operate without have without publicity. You have to question who question the motives here. Who wants who this wants who wants, who wants this to story . Every time the to be the story . Every time the race because not race happens . Because its not right. Right for right. Its not right for racegoers. Its not right for the organisers. Its not right for enjoy the sport. For those who enjoy the sport. Youre right. In terms of eetetw youre right. In terms of eetetw. H youre right. In terms of safety. I mean, youre right. In terms of safety. I mean, the 41 4. 6 61. In terms of safety. I mean, the epsom derby is safety. I mean, the epsom derby he ohe safety. I mean, the epsom derby he oneeeteet safety. I mean, the epsom derby is onesafest meets is one of the safest meets gohg heehl is one of the safest meetsi gohg heeh e is one of the safest meets going. Been a death going. There hasnt been a death ehe going. There hasnt been a death zooe going. There hasnt been a death zooe ot going. There hasnt been a death since 2006 of a going. There hasnt been a death since 2006 of a horse only three ehhoe since 2006 of a horse only three 2002. Since 2006 of a horse only three since 2002. Isnt since 2006 of a horse only three since 2002. Isnt about since 2002. This isnt about eetetw since 2002. This isnt about safety. About since 2002. This isnt about safety. About publicity. Safety. Its about publicity. Vowe safety. Its about publicity. Youre right. Safety. Its about publicity. Youre right. Iti youre absolutely right. It heede youre absolutely right. It needs needs needs to be squeezed. It needs tolegweezet needs to be squeezed. It needs to squeezed at some point. To be squeezed at some point. Otherwise, its going the otherwise, its going to be the story every single time. Maybe the as just story every single time. Maybe theas just stop story every single time. Maybe theas Just Stop Oil the same as Just Stop Oil enwwew the same as Just Stop Oil ehwwew. Were the same as Just Stop Oil anyway. Were talking about a bit anyway. Were talking about a hhtleggro anyway. Were talking about a bit aggro football. So we saw bit of aggro football. So we saw some disgraceful scenes weetertew yesterday. English referee andy hewtoo yesterday. English referee andy hewtoohewhor yesterday. English referee andy taylor, taylor attacked taylor, Anthony Taylor attacked at taylor, Anthony Taylor attacked et hhe taylor, Anthony Taylor attacked et hhe tehhhw. | at the airport with his family. Whet thew at the airport with his family. What that . Sol what precipitated that . So he this what precipitated that . So he thhe he what precipitated that . So he the he the what precipitated that . So he this is thereferee, this is the english referee, Anthony Taylor. Some Anthony Taylor. He gave some well, what Jose Mourinho saw as some ropey decisions in some quite ropey decisions in the Europa League final two nights ago when roma played the Europa League final two nights rsevere en roma played the Europa League final two nights rsevere. 1 roma played the Europa League final two nights rsevere. Werma played the Europa League final two nights rsevere. We can played the Europa League final two nights rsevere. We can see ed the Europa League final two nights rsevere. We can see the played severe. We can see the pictures now for the benefit of our radio listeners, Anthony Taylor through airport taylor going through the airport at nephew was at budapest. My nephew was actually the game. Going actually at the game. Hes going to for sevilla next to be working for sevilla next season. He saw some of this and thats Anthony Taylor going through there. Through the airport there. Thats argy it thats a lot of argy bargy. It is. There fans who have is. So there roma fans who have beeninched is. So there roma fans who have been incited clearly by Jose Mourinhos comments after the game. Taylor game. He called Anthony Taylor a disgrace car park. This disgrace in the car park. This was is was anthony martin. This is incredible because actually incredible because he actually went down to the underground in the stadium and the depths of the stadium and actually anthony actually went up to Anthony Taylors car and called him a disgrace. And is a referee. Disgrace. And this is a referee. He know. Well because he would know. Well because obviously he would know. Well because ob english football now for in english football now for close taylor close to 20 years. Taylor taylors been top premier taylors been a Top Premier League referee for the last 10 or 12 years whatever. So to or 12 years or whatever. Soto go or 12 years or whatever. Soto 9 up or 12 years or whatever. Soto go up to him the car park, it go up to him in the car park, it legitimised romas fans rights or their right or what they saw as their right to and attack Anthony Taylor. To go and attack Anthony Taylor. And not get and he just could not get through airport last night. Through the airport last night. He had chairs thrown at him. It was absolutely disgraceful. The pgmol have said that they condemn the actions in the strongest theyre the strongest terms. Theyre the organisation govern the organisation who govern the premier officials. The premier league officials. The appointment match officials appointment of match officials in this they have in this country. They dont have any over this, though, any clout over this, though, because uefa competition. Any clout over this, though, becraret uefa competition. Any clout over this, though, becrare going uefa competition. Any clout over this, though, becrare going toefa competition. Any clout over this, though, becrare going to havermpetition. Any clout over this, though, becrare going to have to etition. Any clout over this, though, becrare going to have to throw1. You are going to have to throw the book at roma, possibly even mourinho that mourinho as well, because that was behaviour. And if was disgusting behaviour. And if we referees at we start attacking referees at airports place of airports or in their place of work or even when going airports or in their place of wctheir even when going airports or in their place of wctheir cartn when going airports or in their place of wctheir car on hen going airports or in their place of wctheir car on their going airports or in their place of wctheir car on their way going airports or in their place of wctheir car on their way there,ig to their car on their way there, home on the way home, in home on the way home, were in a really difficult situation. Ian brilliant fantastic. Brilliant stuff. Fantastic. Hete brilliant stuff. Fantastic. Lets quickly brilliant stuff. Fantastic. Lets quickly on brilliant stuff. Fantastic. Lets quicklyon fa lets quickly move on to the fa cup lets quickly move on to the fa cup thet lets quickly move on to the fa cup final tomorrow at wembley. Weh cup final tomorrow at wembley. Hehot cup final tomorrow at wembley. Man,of course, man, man city, of course, the big man, man city, of course, the hhghot man, man city, of course, the bignotabout man, man city, of course, the big not. About the i big story, not just about the geme big story, not just about the gehelthe big story, not just about the game, the bedlam of even game, but the bedlam of even getthhg game, but the bedlam of even getthhg to game, but the bedlam of even getting to. Yeah, game, but the bedlam of even getting to. Yeah, this game, but the bedlam of even getting to 6v41 ;g1 getting to it. Yeah, this is the thing. I mean, so the trains, weve got a train strike tomorrow, so normally go tomorrow, so normally youd go from piccadilly to from manchester piccadilly to down get your down down to euston and get your train so the filter train train out. So the filter train out to out to wembley via, via baker i suggest, or, or baker street i suggest, or, or marylebone those avenues not open theyre going marylebone those avenues not op have theyre going marylebone those avenues not op have to theyre going marylebone those avenues not op have to be theyre going marylebone those avenues not op have to be transported going marylebone those avenues not op have to be transported viang to have to be transported via via via car. Now via coach and via car. Now whats interesting is that the police the police have advised that the manchester you take you Manchester City you take you take via the motorway take the route via the motorway depending on who you support, depending on who you support, depending way youre depending on which way youre entering the stadium. So united fans have been told to take the m6 m42 down through the m6 or m6 m42 down through the m40 of london into m40 into the west of london into wembley. United have wembley. The united fans have been told to the m1, been told to take the m6 and m1, so ive never heard that before in a football match, especially when teams are assigned when the two teams are assigned lot away. Theyre lot 250 miles away. But theyre Going Service going to be designated service stations so that would stations as well. So that would be the off at 3 00. So be the kick us off at 3 00. So itll slightly easier itll be slightly easier to manage it was, say, manage than if it was, say, five, 530. But its not. It is a fixture thats attracted trouble in past between fans, in the past between fans, particularly started particularly as theyve started competing ten, competing more in the last ten, 12 so. But but its 12 years or so. But but its going to be a nightmare tomorrow with the strikes. Theres no question might explain why question that might explain why theyve forward question that might explain why theyv and i think it makes sense for united probably possibly united and probably possibly city fans to come down tonight whether we whether that causes problems, we dont thank you dont know. Okay aiden thank you weh dont know. Okay aiden thank you werw hwoh. Dont know. Okay aiden thank you werw hwoh. Vowe dont know. Okay aiden thank you very much. Youre going very much. Youre going to be whth very much. Youre going to be whthheter very much. Youre going to be with. Later. In very much. Youre going to be. With. Later. Inmorning, with us later on in the morning, eeht with us later on in the morning, eehthw with us later on in the morning, arentknow, im with us later on in the morning, arentknow, im here. Arent you . Know, im here tomorrow. Hopefully. Hopefully cam, hopefully. Cam, norrie. Hopefully. Cam. Norrie the norrie will be through in the french and norrie will be through in the freican and norrie will be through in the freican talk and norrie will be through in the freican talk about and norrie will be through in the freican talk about that and norrie will be through in the freican talk about that then. And we can talk about that then. Hrhthhent we can talk about that then. Brilliant. Thank we can talk about that then. Brilliant. Thank you so much, when. Brilliant. Thank you so much, weehwow. Brilliant. Thank you so much, aidenyou. Okay, brilliant. Thank you so much,. Aidenyou. Okay, much aiden. Thank you. Okay, much more come, including all the more to come, including all the other stories making the headunes other stories making the headlines paper. And headlines in todays paper. And this is gb news top of the morning. Its coming up to 844. Welcome back. Youre watching or listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. And its time to go through the heoee. And its time to go through the oeoere. Rohhhhg and its time to go through the papers. Joining this morning papers. Joining us this morning is papers. Joining us this morning heooheehetor papers. Joining us this morning is conservator advisor is former conservator advisor ohehre is former conservator advisor ohehreeht is former conservator advisor claireand writer. Is former conservator advisor claire and writer and Claire Pearsall and writer and rowrhethet Claire Pearsall and writer and journalist andy Claire Pearsall and writer and journalist andy jones. So were journalist andy jones. So were going journalist andy jones. So were gohhg to journalist andy jones. So were gohhg to etert journalist andy jones. So were going to start with this story, ahtw. Going to start with this story, ahtw. So going to start with this story, andy so th going to start with this story, andy. So im going to show your oehere andy. So im going to show your oeoere thhe andy. So im going to show your oeoere the. Wee andy. So im going to show your papers this. Yes, here. Martin wht papers this. Yes, here. Martin who the papers this. Yes, here. Martin aht thhe he papers this. Yes, here. Martin aht thhe he e papers this. Yes, here. Martin and this is a story papers this. Yes, here. Martin and this is a story in the i ehowt and this is a story in the i ehowt e and this is a story in the i about a doctor and this is a story in the i about a doctor condemning an ohtooter about a doctor condemning an ohhooter wee about a doctor condemning an onlooker was filming cpr. Ateotwtetw. Onlooker was filming cpr. Absolutely. Theres onlooker was filming cpr. Absolutely. Theres been lots of footage arrive on social media of people filming the lifeguards as they were desperately trying to save lives in the bournemouth sea over the last week. Its a tale of sort of two groups of teenagers, one obviously the ones that were are fatally injured, but also of one group of teenagers who are lifeguards desperately running up and down the beach trying to get aid to them, performing cpr , cpr. These them, performing cpr, cpr. These are themselves are young people themselves whos obviously in a terrifying situation that, yes, theyre trained for. Never trained for. But you never anticipate have anticipate that youd have to deal a scale as deal with in such a scale as they had the other day. And they had to the other day. And then people then theres other young people filming and offering a running commentary and not even a sort of commentary of all my of news commentary of all my word, has happened. Word, what has happened. Laughing lifeguards as laughing at the lifeguards as they beach, shouting, they run up the beach, shouting, run, and then run, forrest, run and then another young female lifeguard carrying what looks sort of like a a tent or something to a bits of a tent or something to cover injured and the sound. Cover the injured and the sound. Oh, look whats going with oh, look whats going on with this. This looks ridiculous. Whats that and whats the point of that . And it bleeds wider culture. And bleeds into a wider culture. And i know youve got strong got i know youve got strong or got strong about strong opinions about this, about with filming about the obsession with filming everything you everything. Even when you theres no need, obviously, as a broadcaster , we film things, but broadcaster, we film things, but we are bound by legal and ethical considerations. Where is ethical considerations. Where is this in the public right to know . Is acceptable to know . Is this acceptable to film . Do not film . And those rules do not apply media and they apply with social media and they do when do not apply. Apply when everyone phone. Everyone has a camera phone. Yeah claire, i want yeah bang on. And claire, i want towow yeah bang on. And claire, i want towow hh yeah bang on. And claire, i want towow hh here yeah bang on. And claire, i want toyou in here now. To bring you in here now. Theree to bring you in here now. Theres some to bring you in here now. Theres some footage going erhowt around social media at the hohet around social media at the hohehtle around social media at the moment a bulged and terrible moment of a bulged and terrible ettehht moment of a bulged and terrible ettehht et moment of a bulged and terrible ettehht et eh moment of a bulged and terrible attempt at an arrest. I moment of a bulged and terrible attempt at an arrest. I think it et attempt at an arrest. I think it was at vauxhall attempt at an arrest. I think it was at vauxhall bus station. The was at vauxhall bus station. The wetrohothteh was at vauxhall bus station. The metropolitan police totally tetthhg metropolitan police totally tehhhhg to metropolitan police totally failing to restrain individuals. But failing to restrain individuals. Hwt there failing to restrain individuals. But there were failing to restrain individuals. But there were so many people thhhg but there were so many people ththhhg thet. But there were so many people filming that. And but there were so many people filming that. And not only that. Twt filming that. And not only that. Hwt thew filming that. And not only that. Hwt thew wee filming that. And not only that , but they were joining in and hetohhg , but they were joining in and hetohhg the , but they were joining in and helping the people attempting to be helping the people attempting to he erreetet helping the people attempting to he erreetet. Helping the people attempting to be arrested. And helping the people attempting to be arrested. And the curse of be arrested. And the curse of eoohet be arrested. And the curse of social media be arrested. And the curse of social media is be arrested. And the curse of social media is that everyone wehte social media is that everyone wehte to social media is that Everyone Wants to film social media is that Everyone Wants to film it social media is that Everyone Wants to film it. Social media is that Everyone Wants to film it. Is it social media is that Everyone Wants to film it. Is it actually wants to film it. Is it actually hehoerhhg wants to film it. Is it actually hehoerhhg the wants to film it. Is it actually hampering the police from doing her hampering the police from doing their. Because hampering the police from doing their because theyre so theirjob because theyre so etrehg theirjob because theyre so etreht ot theirjob because theyre so etreht ot e theirjob because theyre so afraid of a bad theirjob because theyre so afraid of a bad moment being oehtwret afraid of a bad moment being oeotwret oh afraid of a bad moment being captured on film afraid of a bad moment being captured on film . Theyre almost captured on film . Theyre almost eott captured on film . Theyre almost eott eoeohhg captured on film . Theyre almost soft soaping criminals now, and thete soft soaping criminals now, and thete ht. Soft soaping criminals now, and thete ht. Ahe soft soaping criminals now, and thats it. And that soft soaping criminals now, and thats it. 116 soft soaping criminals now, and thats it. 1 6 thats it. And that was the really depressing about thats it. And that was the reallpieceressing about thats it. And that was the reallpiece ofsing about thats it. And that was the reallpiece of footage about thats it. And that was the reallpiece of footage were ut that piece of footage were nobody came to the aid of the police. Nobody thought these police. Nobody thought these people are doing something that is wrong. They are being is wrong. They are being arrested by Police Officers. The Police Officers are being overpowered. Ed, why dont we overpowered. Ed, why dont we help . And i think that everyone has this feeling that theyre entitled to film it. Theyre entitled to film it. Theyre entitled to film it. Theyre entitled to put it out on their social media and give their own commentary and it isnt judged in the same way. Commentary and it isnt judged in the same way. People commentary and it isnt judged in the same way. People just look at it. They have no ones permission has been given, as you saying , andy, when you were just saying, andy, when you were just saying, andy, when you on a piece of you are working on a piece of film, you have to have the correct permissions in place, the Legal Protections place. The Legal Protections in place. If it out if youre just putting it out onto channels, if youre just putting it out orcould channels, if youre just putting it out orcould be channels, if youre just putting it out orcould be anybody channels, if youre just putting it out orcould be anybody. Channels, if youre just putting it out orcould be anybody. And annels, if youre just putting it out orcould be anybody. And your s, it could be anybody. And your commentary goes out unchallenged. And i think thats the really sad thing that nobody nobody challenges it. Nobody jumps in and helps anybody anymore. And the police are really frightened to actually do the job that theyre wokeist invasion of privacy, of those being on scene, being arrested and on the scene, one of the weird things ive noficed one of the weird things ive noticed about that the police have when arresting have had to do when arresting individuals its individuals is very often its a stop and search. Its white oohhoe stop and search. Its white Police Officer stop and search. Its white Police Officer arrests 6 6 its white Police Officer arrests a young hheot Police Officer arrests a young hheot hete Police Officer arrests a young hheot hehe. Police officer arrests a young black male , and Police Officer arrests a young black male , and its like, well, black male, and its like, well, the black male, and its like, well, thhe he black male, and its like, well, this is racist. Black male, and its like, well, this is racist. Why black male, and its like, well, this is racist. Why are you etooohhg this is racist. Why are you stopping police . So this is racist. Why are you stoppingpolice . So is stopping met police . So races is theoweeet stopping met police . So races is discussedcan stopping met police . So races isi discussedcanwhere discussed and you can see where thet discussed and you can see where thetoohee discussed and you can see where thatcomes from discussed and you can see where that comes from with the that logic comes from with the horrhhte that logic comes from with the. Horrhhte hee horrible things that the met has reoehthw horrible things that the met has recentlyaccused horrible things that the met has recently accused but recently been accused of. But you recently been accused of. But wow whth recently been accused of. But wow whth theh recently been accused of. But you will then see recently been accused of. But you will then see the met police then you will then see the met police theh hewe you will then see the met police theh hewe to you will then see the met police then have to hold you will then see the met police then have to hold up a knife and go hoot. Then have to hold up a knife and go toot. Hehott then have to hold up a knife and go look. Behold we then have to hold up a knife and go look. Behold we have found a hhte go look. Behold we have found a knife because go look. Behold we have found a knife because they go look. Behold we have found a knife because they are then oeterhhg knife because they are then oeterhhglhot knife because they are then catering. Not the knife because they are then catering not the legal catering to not the legal oowert catering to not the legal courts, which catering to not the legal courts, which is their job. Thewre courts, which is their job. Theyre catering to the public ohhhhoh theyre catering to the public oohhhoh ath theyre catering to the public opinion. All time. And the opinion. All the time. And the concern then opinion. All the time. And the concern then is opinion. All the time. And the concern then is that theyve got aindividuals concern then is that theyve got a individuals around concern then is that theyve got a who individuals around concern then is that theyve got a who ind increasingly nd concern then is that theyve got a who ind increasingly rowdy, them who are increasingly rowdy, them. Them who are increasingly rowdy, theh. Wow them who are increasingly rowdy, them, your rubbish, your oethetho them, your rubbish, your pathetic,have them, your rubbish, your pathetic, have you got . Pathetic, what have you got . Thet pathetic, what have you got . Thetoetere. Pathetic, what have you got . Thatcetera. Et pathetic, what have you got . That cetera. Et cetera. That guy. Et cetera. Et cetera. Wht that guy. Et cetera. Et cetera. Anthhte that guy. Et cetera. Et cetera. Andlike,look, that guy. Et cetera. Et cetera. And like, look, weve and its like, well, look, weve got and its like, well, look, weve got to and its like, well, look, weve got to get and its like, well, look, weve got to get these and its like, well, look, weve got to get these knives off our etreete. Got to get these knives off our streets. Weve got to get these knives off our streets. Weve got got to get these knives off our streets. Weve got to get whoheht streets. Weve got to get violentoff streets. Weve got to get violentoff the violent criminals off the etreet. Violent criminals off the street. The violent criminals off the street. The police rightly street. And the police rightly hewe street. And the police rightly hewe hoeh street. And the police rightly have been criticised the street. And the police rightly have foran criticised the street. And the police rightly have for variousised the street. And the police rightly have for various instances the street. And the police rightly have for various instances where land for various instances where thewwe land for various instances where theyve hideous. Theyve done wrong, hideous thhhge eeon theyve done wrong, hideous thhhge eeeh. Theyve done wrong, hideous things seen , but theyve done wrong, hideous things seen , but also things that weve seen, but also theoow things that weve seen, but also theoowthe things that weve seen, but also thecrythe public. Things that weve seen, but also the cry the public is the great cry from the public is why the great cry from the public is whw eeht the great cry from the public is whw eeht thew the great cry from the public is why arent they doing more on whoheht why arent they doing more on whohehtwhw why arent they doing more on violent why arent there Violent Crime . Why arent there erreethhg whwl arresting more burglars . Why eeht arent our streets safe . And if you arent our streets safe . And ifi you watch one arrest someone, hte he its never going to be a oerthowtertw its never going to be a particularly smooth thing if wowre particularly smooth thing if wowre trwhhg particularly smooth thing if youre trying arrest somebody youre trying to arrest somebody and youre trying to arrest somebody eho thet and restrain somebody that toeeht and restrain somebody that. Doesnt restrained, and restrain somebody that. Doe not restrained, and restrain somebody that doe not going restrained, and restrain somebody that doe not going to restrained, and restrain somebody that doe not going to be � estrained, and restrain somebody that doenot going to be likeained, and restrain somebody that doenot going to be like youi, its not going to be like you oh the its not going to be like you see on the 70s, its not going to be like you see on the 70s, cop shows where you see on the 70s, cop shows where wow hehtowtte you just stick the handcuffs on eht you just stick the handcuffs on ehotone you just stick the handcuffs on ehotone hh you just stick the handcuffs on anddone in two you just stick the handcuffs on and done in two seconds. And its done in two seconds. There and its done in two seconds. Theretot and its done in two seconds. Theretot ot and its done in two seconds. Therelot of people and its done in two seconds. Therelot of people out. There are a lot of people out there a there saying they wish it was a bit more that. I mean, that bit more like that. I mean, that incident we incident at vauxhall, we basically like basically have they look like students, these coppers, theyre completely failing to sort of grapple an they grapple the situation an they fail deal with it to the fail to deal with it to the point where the public i think they that power is they now know that the power is with them. Theyre emboldened. With them. Theyre emboldened. People pulling the Police People were pulling the police off of the people. Were off of the people. They were attempting to arrest and nothing was they just was happening. They were just getting and getting away with it. Yeah. And then sort getting away with it. Yeah. And thensortlfeeds getting away with it. Yeah. And thensortlfeeds into getting away with it. Yeah. And thensortlfeeds into thei then that sort of feeds into the teet then that sort of feeds into the rest lawlessness then that sort of feeds into the rest lawlessness that we rest of the lawlessness that we tregwehttw. Rest of the lawlessness that we see frequently, especially in hohtoh see frequently, especially in london, with see frequently, especially in london, with whats going on, is the oohhoe london, with whats going on, is the police seem london, with whats going on, is the police seem to london, with whats going on, is the police seem to have no power. Thew the police seem to have no power. Hhew ee the police seem to have no power. They are understaffed. I think. They are understaffed. I think thewre. They are understaffed. I think thewre whter. They are understaffed. I think theyre under trained as well. Who theyre under trained as well. Who thete theyre under trained as well. And thats not theyre under trained as well. And thats not the individual pothoe and thats not the individual Police Officers and thats not the individual Police Officers fault that is the Police Officers fault that is the metropolitan police. If were looking the metropolitan police. If were looking at london. But toroee were looking at london. But toroee ot were looking at london. But forces of their were looking at london. But forces of their own need to make thet forces of their own need to make sure that their forces of their own need to make sure that their officers are out there sure that their officers are out there whth sure that their officers are out there with the sure that their officers are out there with the correct equipment and there with the correct equipment eht the there with the correct equipment and the correct there with the correct equipment and the correct attitude. And eheo and the correct attitude. And eteo twet and the correct attitude. 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Theyre going to be sweeter and juicier. And just in time for juicier. And just in time for wimbledon season. Yeah, because just wimbledon season. Yeah, because twet hhte wimbledon season. Yeah, because twet thte greoee wimbledon season. Yeah, because just like grapes, of wimbledon season. Yeah, because just like grapes, of course, 31th 61 1 yeah, because just like grapes, of course, if thew just like grapes, of course, if thew etew just like grapes, of course, if they stay smaller for longer , they stay smaller for longer, then they stay smaller for longer, then the they stay smaller for longer, then the flavour they stay smaller for longer, then the flavour is more hhtehee. Then the flavour is more intense. Thats then the flavour is more intense. Thats right. Got a ohoe intense. Thats right. Got a ohoe to intense. Thats right. Got a chance to rest intense. Thats right. Got a chance to rest year and we cant theme chance to rest year and we cant hhehe hheht chance to rest year and we cant blame brexit because theyre all going blame brexit because theyre all going home grown beauties going to be home grown beauties. Thew going to be home grown beauties. Thew oertehhtw going to be home grown beauties. They certainly are going to be home grown beauties. They certainly are. Yeah, they certainly are. Hheht. Yeah, they certainly are. Hheht wow. Yeah, they certainly are. Thank you very. Yeah, they certainly are. Thank you very much. Yeah, they certainly are. Thank you very much. Claire and andy. Really, really good to see you morning. Youre you both. This morning. Youre back one more time. Are you or is that not today . Oh you being wonderful this morning. Thank wonderful this morning. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. See you. And from Great British strawberries to the Great British fish and chip suppen the Great British fish and chip supper. Couldnt get any more british could it . British than that, could it . Its National Fish and chip day. Its National Fish and chip day. It for its eighth year it returns for its eighth year today. Yeah and the event has gone today. Yeah and the event has goneetrehgth today. Yeah and the event has gone strength to 6 6v41 ;g1 and the event has gone strength to strength gone from strength to strength ehhoe gone from strength to strength ehhoeltewhoh gone from strength to strength since launch 2015. And since its launch in 2015. And the since its launch in 2015. And thewere since its launch in 2015. And this were fortunate this morning were fortunate ehowgh this morning were fortunate ehowghtohhet this morning were fortunate enough joined by the enough to be joined by the oreehteht enough to be joined by the president the enough to be joined by the president the National President of the National Federation president of the National Federation fish friers andrew federation of fish friers andrew crook. Federation of fish friers andrew oroot. Hehho federation of fish friers andrew crook. Hello to federation of fish friers andrew crook. Hello to you, andrew. So hte crook. Hello to you, andrew. So he theh crook. Hello to you, andrew. So its fish friday, crook. Hello to you, andrew. So its fish friday, but crook. Hello to you, andrew. So its fish friday, but this is a eheoheh its fish friday, but this is a eoeohet hheh its fish friday, but this is a special fish friday. But theres some concerning special fish friday. But theres some concerning news. We saw on the some concerning news. We saw on the how some concerning news. We saw on the troht ot some concerning news. We saw on the troht ot the some concerning news. We saw on the front of the paper today, 50 the front of the paper today, sow ot the front of the paper today, 50 of britains the front of the paper today, 50 of britains fish and chip ehohe 50 of britains fish and chip ehooe oowrt 50 of britains fish and chip shops could be 50 of britains fish and chip shops could be under the cosh by 2025. Shops could be under the cosh by 2025. Wheee shops could be under the cosh by 2025, unless we shops could be under the cosh by 2025, unless we start chowing town 2025, unless we start chowing towh oh 2025, unless we start chowing town on hheh 2025, unless we start chowing down on fish and 2025, unless we start chowing down on fish and chips. So come on, down on fish and chips. So come eeht down on fish and chips. So come eett to down on fish and chips. So come eett to the down on fish and chips. So come on, sell to the nation. Well, it ehowtoh on, sell to the nation. Well, it should. Tramps on, sell to the nation. Well, it should. Tramps down to the local chippy should. Tramps down to the local ohhoow totew should. Tramps down to the local chippy today and should. Tramps down to the local chippy today and go large on the cod chippy today and go large on the oot. Chippy today and go large on the oot. Wett chippy today and go large on the cod. Well, fish chippy today and go large on the cod. Well, fish and chippy today and go large on the cod. � 6 6 chippy today and go large on the cod. G16 6 cod. Well, fish and chips is such an iconic dish. Its so culturally important to the uk. And one of the strengths of the industry is the independent operators that weve got. Its so and everyones got so varied and everyones got their and chip their favourite fish and chip shop. Likes fish and shop. Everyone likes fish and chips a different way with mushy peas, important peas, curry so its important that people go down and support those otherwise if you those shops. Otherwise if you lose them, theyre gone forever. Were lucky. Weve got supporters sarsons. Supporters such as sarsons. Theyre fish fry day so theyre doing fish fry day so people can buy fish and chips , people can buy fish and chips, submit their submit a picture of their receipt with the fish and chips and sarsons will select some to refund. And theyre doing refund. And today theyre doing 250 instead 50. Thats 250 instead of 50. And thats going till next february. So going on till next february. So thats support from thats fantastic support from them. Yeah, i mean, its National Fish chip day today National Fish and chip day today as said, almost the as you said, its almost the national dish, isnt it . So many of us love our Fish National dish, isnt it . So many of us love our fish and h. 7 so many of us love our fish and chips, twt of us love our fish and chips, hwt hte of us love our fish and chips, but its been of us love our fish and chips, but its been a of us love our fish and chips, but its been a really challenging but its been a really challenging time for those who eotwettw challenging time for those who eotwettwowr challenging time for those who actually our chippies. Cost actually run our chippies. Cost of actually run our chippies. Cost ot thhhg actually run our chippies. Cost of living crisis actually run our chippies. Cost of living crisis and that rising ooet of living crisis and that rising ooet hh of living crisis and that rising ooet hh oth of living crisis and that rising cost in oil and of living crisis and that rising cost in oil and of of living crisis and that rising cost in oil and of course food. Cost in oil and of course food. Weeh cost in oil and of course food. Weeh eht cost in oil and of course food. Weeh ett wr cost in oil and of course food. Yeah all our costs cost in oil and of course food. Yeah all our costs have cost in oil and of course food. Yeah all our costs have gone up. I know every business is struggling. I think fish and chips is probably uniquely affected the range of affected because of the range of products that we use. A lot of them russia, ukraine, them come from russia, ukraine, fertiliser for potatoes and we use quite a lot of potatoes and theres shortage potatoes use quite a lot of potatoes and thrthe; shortage potatoes use quite a lot of potatoes and thrthe momentge potatoes use quite a lot of potatoes and thrthe moment. So potatoes use quite a lot of potatoes and thrthe moment. So theyre oes at the moment. So theyre currently highest price currently the highest price since and every day since 1976 and rising every day. But were still represent great value for money. Its a great value for money. Its a great dish and the operators are trying to cushion consumers. Ive fish and chip ive got my own fish and chip shop. The same thing. Shop. Im doing the same thing. Im trying to keep my prices as low try and keep low as possible, try and keep looking after our customers and keep them coming through the door because weve been very lucky that footfalls lucky over winter that footfalls held people love held up. You know, people love fish held up. You know, people love fish and held up. You know, people love fish and theyre still fish and chips and theyre still coming droves. Coming out in the droves. And we want reward customers by want to reward our customers by trying after them. Okay trying to look after them. Okay andrew, question that andrew, is the question that thwhtee andrew, is the question that dividesnation andrew, is the question that dividesnation. Andrew, is the question that divides nation. Youre the divides the nation. Youre the heet divides the nation. Youre the head honcho divides the nation. Youre the head honcho at divides the nation. Youre the head honcho at the national teterethoh head honcho at the National Federation of head honcho at the National Federation of fish friers cod or hettoote federation of fish friers cod or hettoote eh federation of fish friers cod or haddock . Oh it federation of fish friers cod or haddock . Oh it depends where you are haddock . Oh it depends where you. H haddock . Oh it depends where you. H eeht haddock . Oh it depends where you are. I sell more haddock . Oh it depends where you are. I sell more cod haddock . Oh it depends where you are. I sell more cod in haddock . Oh it depends where you are. 166 1 haddock . Oh it depends where you are. 1 are. I sell more cod in my shop. But if i have the choice, i always go for haddock. I like the sweet flavour and theres just something about it. If i can get line caught haddock, its that bit better its just that little bit better as well. Ive got some in the as well. So ive got some in the shop that shop at the moment, so that might tonight. Oh, might be my tea tonight. Oh, stop. Youre making me so hungry. Exoert. Stop. Youre making me so hungry. Exoert. Andrewl. And you are the expert. Andrew so. And you are the expert. Andrew so tor. And you are the expert. Andrew so tor peopte. And you are the expert. Andrew so for people who. And you are the expert. Andrew so for people who are enjoying her so for people who are enjoying theteht so for people who are enjoying theirand chips so for people who are enjoying their and chips tonight and their fish and chips tonight and hooetwttw their fish and chips tonight and hooetwttw hte their fish and chips tonight and hopefully its really inspired peopte hopefully its really inspired peopleltto hopefully its really inspired peoplelgobuvl people to go out and buy a horthoh people to go out and buy a horthoh heet portion tonight, whats the best way portion tonight, whats the best wew hheh portion tonight, whats the besti wew thehohhhee way to have your fish and chips . Wett way to have your fish and chips . Weht th way to have your fish and chips . Weht hh gwhte way to have your fish and chips . Well im quite a way to have your fish and chips . Well im quite a traditionalist. I well im quite a traditionalist. H the well im quite a traditionalist. H the thet well im quite a traditionalist. I like fish chips, well im quite a traditionalist. I like fish chips, mushy well im quite a traditionalist. I like fish chips, mushy peas, because it makes nutritiously because it makes it nutritiously balanced of and balanced lashings of salt and vinegar and maybe a bit of homemade tartar sauce. And i think perfect one. Think thats the perfect one. I think thats the perfect one. I think and curry a step think gravy and curry is a step too me. Where think gravy and curry is a step too me. Where do you too far for me. Where do you eteht too far for me. Where do you etehthwgetw too far for me. Where do you standhugely divisivel stand on the hugely divisive torto stand on the hugely divisive tooho ot stand on the hugely divisive tooho ot the stand on the hugely divisive topic of the battered sausage the topic of the battered sausage versus the saveloy . 3111644 versus the saveloy . Well, im a northerner, so ive tried saveloys in my shop because ive got a few southerners that are in exile the north and they in exile in the north and they didnt sell very well. So didnt really sell very well. So i think the battered sausage we do of those do do quite a lot of those lovely oh, youre making us all hungry here today, andrew, thank you much. Really, hungry here today, andrew, thank you much. Really, really hungry here today, andrew, thank you much. Really, really good you so much. Really, really good to eee you so much. Really, really good to wow you so much. Really, really good to wow totew you so much. Really, really good to see you today. You so much. Really, really good to see you today. Im 14. 61 really, really good to see you today. Im desperate to see you today. Im desperate for to see you today. Im desperate tor e to see you today. Im desperate tor e hheh to see you today. Im desperate for a fish and to see you today. Im desperate for a fish and chips supper. Wew. For a fish and chips supper. Wett. Thete for a fish and chips supper. Well, thats t for a fish and chips supper. Well, thats t sorted. For a fish and chips supper. 3111644. 6 6v41 ;g1 well, thats t sorted. Yeah, thatis well, thats t sorted. Yeah, that is sorted. Thing about that is t sorted. Thing about haddock. That is t sorted. Thing about haddock. Like wedge of haddock. I like a nice wedge of cod. Codi haddock. I like a nice wedge of cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. There cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. Hhere wow cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. There wow go cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. There wow go. Cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. There you go. And cod. Cod i say. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Andhave there you go. And youd have terter there you go. And youd have terter. There you go. And youd have terter. We. There you go. And youd have tartar. No, thats there you go. And youd have tartar. No, thats a. There you go. And youd havei tartar. No, thats a bit tartar sauce. No, thats a bit too poncey for me. I do like. I do like the mushy pea and lots of vinegar and salt and a bit of white pepper. Yeah oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Um, white pepper. Yeah oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Um, salt 4 oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Um, salt vinegar and tetohwh yeah, yeah. Um, salt vinegar and tetohwh tor yeah, yeah. Um, salt vinegar and ketchup for. Get yeah, yeah. Um, salt vinegar and ketchup for. Get in yeah, yeah. Um, salt vinegar and ketchup for get in touch on ketchup for me. Get in touch on thet ketchup for me. Get in touch on thetor ketchup for me. Get in touch on thator anything ketchup for me. Get in touch on that or anything that that story or anything that were talking that story or anything that were talking today. Were talking about today. Gb vhewe were talking about today. Gb wowehewe were talking about today. Gb viewsnewsbutl were talking about today. Gb l viewsnewsbut do views at gb news. Com. But do etew views at gb news. Com. But do etewheoewee views at gb news. Com. 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Another fine sunny the met office for gb news. Another fine sunny day the met office for gb news. Another fine sunny day for most today and even in the east where it has been pretty dull all week. We are looking at some sunshine coming through. Sunshine coming through. Eventually High Pressure continues to dominate and well control our weather through the weekend but around that weekend as well. But around that high, the breeze still coming high, the breeze is still coming in off the north sea. And so its produced quite a lot of cloud. So for many is cloud. So for many it is a pretty drab but already pretty drab start. But already got some sunshine in the west and much of scotland. And and across much of scotland. And the clouds should break up pretty morning. So pretty quickly this morning. So i think we will see brighter skies from cambridgeshire all the way up across yorkshire. Now parts of the east coast may stay a little misty , but certainly a little misty, but certainly anywhere. And it should anywhere inland. And it should be a brighter day across the east itll be warmer as well east and itll be warmer as well. The coast will be fresh because still because it will still be a breeze and west will breeze blowing and west will still temperatures still be best for temperatures getting low 20s in the getting into the low 20s in the sunshine many a cracking sunshine for many a cracking friday evening as well, sunshine for many a cracking friday evening as well , with friday evening as well, with most places staying fine and sunny. A bit more cloud spilling in through the across in through the day across northern so turning northern scotland. So turning quite here through the quite cloudy here through the evening again, cloud evening. And again, some cloud will just dribble back inland over parts of the midlands and Eastern England through the early hours. Temperatures will dip where weve got the clearest skies. Well down into single figures in the countryside. So figures in the countryside. So even its june , its even though its june, its still a bit of a chilly start to saturday. But i think for most its to another sunny its going to be another sunny day. It will start fairly day. Yes, it will start fairly cloudy the midlands. But cloudy over the midlands. But again, that cloud should tend to melt away by mid to late morning. Northern scotland will be a little duller on saturday. So tomorrow even some patchy drizzly rain is possible over the Northern Isles, but otherwise its dry and fine. Strong sunshine. Uv levels will strong sunshine. Uv levels will be high and temperatures will be a higher on saturday. A little higher on saturday. Again if youve got the breeze from coast may a from the sea, the coast may be a little inland high little fresh, but inland high teens low. 20s 2324 is possible. And its a similar story on sunday. Plenty of sunshine and feeling warm inland. Away. Good 1rr1g; good morning. Good morning. Its 9 00 on away. Good morning. Its 9 00 on tree. Away. Good morning. Its 9 00 on fridavr the away. Good morning. Its 9 00 on fridayr the eht away. Good morning. Its 9 00 on friday, the 2nd of good morning. Its 9 00 on friday, the 2nd of june. Today hhththh friday, the 2nd of june. Today Phillip Schofield friday, the 2nd of june. Today Phillip Schofield says he has hoet Phillip Schofield says he has lost everything Phillip Schofield says he has lost everything after news of his lost everything after news of hte etreh lost everything after news of his affair with lost everything after news of his affair with a lost everything after news of his affair with a much younger hete his affair with a much younger male colleague his affair with a much younger male colleague on itvs this horhhhg male colleague on itvs this horhhhg oehe male colleague on itvs this morning came out speaking with the hho morning came out speaking with the the. Morning came out speaking with the the. He morning came out speaking with the bbc. He says morning came out speaking with the bbc. He says he morning came out speaking with the bbc. 6 morning came out speaking with the bbc. 6 the bbc. He says he sees nothing ahead of him but blackness and sadness as the covid inquiry saga continues. As the cabinet orthoe saga continues. 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As the Cabinet Office are set to bring about toget office are set to bring about teget eothoh office are set to bring about legal action to office are set to bring about legal action to prevent boris rohheohe legal action to prevent Boris Johnsons whatsapp messages hehhg johnsons whatsapp messages hehhg hehtet johnsons whatsapp messages being handed over to and its hheerw being handed over to and its hheerw tor being handed over to and its misery for millions this weekend as misery for millions this weekend ee trehh misery for millions this weekend as train strikes misery for millions this weekend as train strikes are misery for millions this weekend as train strikes are set to ruin the as train strikes are set to ruin the theoh as train strikes are set to ruin the epsom derby as train strikes are set to ruin the epsom derby and the fa cup thet. The epsom derby and the fa cup thet. Hte the epsom derby and the fa cup final. Its live the epsom derby and the fa cup final. Its live pictures the epsom derby and the fa cup final. 4 6. 4. Final. Its live pictures now from euston station. And as always, well bring from euston station. And as always, well bring you 4. 561 61 and as always, well bring you the heteet always, well bring you the latest weather always, well bring you the latest weather update. Well, latest weather update. Well, teeterh latest weather update. Well, eastern areas latest weather update. Well, eastern areas finally brighten up eastern areas finally brighten we totew eastern areas finally brighten we totew. Eastern areas finally brighten we totew. Wht eastern areas finally brighten up today. 16 eastern areas finally brighten up today. 1 up today. And what does the weekend have in store . Join me later for a full gb news weather forecast. And good morning. Im forecast. And good morning. Im Martin Daubney. Im ellie ooetetto Martin Daubney. Im Ellie Costello and this is breakfast on gb news. To costello and this is breakfast on gb news. To our top story now and Phillip Schofield has admitted that the affair with his younger lover began in his dressing room but denied that the man was driven to his london home in taxis paid for by itv. The former this morning host has eeoteh the former this morning host has eeoteh owt the former this morning host has eeoteh owt to the former this morning host has spoken out to journalist and broadcaster spoken out to journalist and broadcaster amol rajan about how the ether broadcaster amol rajan about how the affair began broadcaster amol rajan about how the affair began. Broadcaster amol rajan about how the affair began. 31116 w66 the affair began. We were mates and, you know, we around the studios, you hang out together. You know, you chat to each other. That sort of stuff. And then in my dressing room one day , something happened which , you , something happened which, you know, obviously i. Will regret forever for him and for me , forever for him and for me, mostly him. That happened maybe mostly him. That happened maybe 4 or 5 times over the next few months. And i know its unforgivable months. And i know its unforgivable. And i know its unforgivable. Im but we werent unforgivable. Im but we werent howtrhente unforgivable. Im but we werent howtrhehte. We unforgivable. Im but we werent boyfriends. We werent in a relationship boyfriends. We werent in a relationship. Boyfriends. We werent in a relationship. I boyfriends. We werent in a relationship. 6g44; 1 relationship. I was really in a mess with my own sexuality at the time. And it just happened. The time. And it just happened. Wett the time. And it just happened. Wett. Were the time. And it just happened. Well, were joined now by our Showbiz Reporter , stephanie Showbiz Reporter, Stephanie Takyi and stephanie , you have takyi and stephanie, you have watched the whole interview this morning. Bring us up to speed. What main takeaways and what are the main takeaways and what think you what did you think of it . You know, throughout this whole scandal , what know, throughout this whole scandal, what phillip know, throughout this whole scandal , what Phillip Schofield know, throughout this whole scartried what Phillip Schofield know, throughout this whole scartried totat Phillip Schofield know, throughout this whole scartried to gethillip schofield know, throughout this whole scartried to get acrossschofield know, throughout this whole scartried to get across is tofield know, throughout this whole scartried to get across is thatld has tried to get across is that he didnt groom this runner. He makes it out all through 1. 16 he makes it out all through the hhtehhew makes it out all through the interview that makes it out all through the interview that they werent even tooe interview that they werent even lovers or boyfriends. And it lovers or boyfriends. And it twet lovers or boyfriends. And it twet heeeehet lovers or boyfriends. And it twet heeeehet. Lovers or boyfriends. And it just happened , as he says it just happened, as he says it tooe. Just happened, as he says it toee. Owt just happened, as he says it toee. Hwt h just happened, as he says it does. But i think just happened, as he says it does. But i think the main thing here does. But i think the main thing here he does. But i think the main thing here he he does. But i think the main thing here is he wants does. But i think the main thing here is he wants to does. But i think the main thing here is he wants to make sure thet here is he wants to make sure thet hee here is he wants to make sure thet hee hh here is he wants to make sure that hes in in here is he wants to make sure that hes in in the here is he wants to make sure that hes in in the clear heehoehhw that hes in in the clear basically from that hes in in the clear basically from any accusations of basically from any accusations ot ehw basically from any accusations or ehw groohhhg. Basically from any accusations of any grooming. He knows how it eeeeere of any grooming. He knows how it eeeeere thet. Of any grooming. He knows how it eeeeere reg, wow of any grooming. He knows how it appears that, you know, theres thet appears that, you know, theres thet ehotwre appears that, you know, theres that picture of appears that, you know, theres that picture of him meeting this young that picture of him meeting this wowhg rwhher that picture of him meeting this young runner when he was just 15 weete young runner when he was just 15 weere ott. Young runner when he was just 15 weere ott. Owt young runner when he was just 15 years old. But he young runner when he was just 15 years old. But he says in the hhtehhew. Years old. But he says in the interview, nothing sexual eotwettw interview, nothing sexual actually happened until the runner turned actually happened until the runner turned 20 years old. And he eeht runner turned 20 years old. And he eeht thew runner turned 20 years old. And he said they werent lovers. It twet he said they werent lovers. It twet eohethhhg he said they werent lovers. It just something happened in his treeehhg just something happened in his treeehhg ooh just something happened in his dressing room. Just something happened in his dressing room. And from there, dressing room. And from there, it dressing room. And from there, ht oohthhwet dressing room. And from there, it continued only dressing room. And from there, it continued only 5 or 6 times. How it continued only 5 or 6 times. How thew. It continued only 5 or 6 times. You know, steph, it continued only 5 or 6 times. You know, steph, its it continued only 5 or 6 times. You know, steph, its got it continued only 5 or 6 times. You know, steph, its got to be said that the watching the footage , a lot of people footage there, a lot of people get this, this get in touch with this, this morning, staff morning, ali. And staff are saying dont believe it. It saying they dont believe it. It seems so stage managed it seems so crafted. It seems a bit fake. So crafted. It seems a bit fake. Well , its quite interesting. Well, its quite interesting. Thetehhh well, its quite interesting. Wetthw he well, its quite interesting. Martin is that , you know, fair martin is that, you know, fair ehowgh. Martin is that, you know, fair ehowgh. Wht martin is that, you know, fair enough. And Phillip Schofield eewe enough. And Phillip Schofield eewe hhe enough. And Phillip Schofield eewe hhe hht enough. And Phillip Schofield says his mind state is quite treghhe says his mind state is quite treghhe et says his mind state is quite fragile at the says his mind state is quite fragile at the moment, but he eewe fragile at the moment, but he eewe hee fragile at the moment, but he says hes deleted fragile at the moment, but he says hes deleted all apps. He heeht says hes deleted all apps. He hasnt attention. Says hes deleted all apps. Hei hasnt attention to hasnt been paying attention to the hewe hasnt been paying attention to the twt hasnt been paying attention to the news, but somehow in this hhtehhew. The news, but somehow in this hhtehhew. He the news, but somehow in this interview, he mentions a lot of eoweetoe interview, he mentions a lot of accusations which interview, he mentions a lot of accusations which has come out. So accusations which has come out. So egehh accusations which has come out. So egehh wow accusations which has come out. So again, you feel accusations which has come out. So again, you feel like theres ethhh so again, you feel like theres ethth hoe so again, you feel like theres still more room so again, you feel like theres still more room for lies for hhhthhe still more room for lies for Phillip Schofield here because this Phillip Schofield here because thhe he Phillip Schofield here because thhe he e Phillip Schofield here because thhe he e heh Phillip Schofield here because this is a man who says that he ehwt this is a man who says that he ehwt the this is a man who says that he shut the world this is a man who says that he shut the world out, but yet hes ettreeehhg shut the world out, but yet hes addressing all shut the world out, but yet hes addressing all the shut the world out, but yet hes addressing all the big pointers thet addressing all the big pointers thet hewe addressing all the big pointers that have come addressing all the big pointers that have come out over the past weet that have come out over the past week ehhoe that have come out over the past week he that have come out over the past week since he stepped down from this week since he stepped down from thhe horhhhg week since he stepped down from thhe horhhhg. Week since he stepped down from this morning. And week since he stepped down from this morning. And in week since he stepped down from this morning. 16 1 week since he stepped down from this morning. 16 1 1 this morning. And in this sun interview , the exclusive that interview, the exclusive that they have got with Phillip Schofield unbroken, ashamed, but not a groomer, theres a big focus , isnt there, on phillip focus, isnt there, on Phillip Schofield Mental Health . There is because he says hes 66 7 there is because he says hes been ewhohteh is because he says hes been ewhohtet. He is because he says hes been suicidal. He says is because he says hes been suicidal. He says his daughters hewe suicidal. He says his daughters hewe heeh suicidal. He says his daughters have been basically on suicide wetoh have been basically on suicide wetoh whth have been basically on suicide watch with him have been basically on suicide watch with him to have been basically on suicide watch with him to make sure that he toeeht watch with him to make sure that he toeeht eht watch with him to make sure that he doesnt end his watch with him to make sure that he doesnt end his life because he doesnt end his life because he eewe he doesnt end his life because he eewe hte he doesnt end his life because he says its been he doesnt end his life because he says its been too much. He teete he says its been too much. He teete hhte he says its been too much. He feels like its he says its been too much. He feels like its very he says its been too much. He feels like its very much he toeeht feels like its very much he doesnt feel feels like its very much he doesnt feel like feels like its very much he doesnt feel like a victim. Thete doesnt feel like a victim. Thete ohe doesnt feel like a victim. Thats one thing he said. But he eewe thats one thing he said. But he eewe thet thats one thing he said. But he eewe thet he thats one thing he said. But he says that he now thats one thing he said. But he says that he now feels a victim of says that he now feels a victim ot hete says that he now feels a victim ot hete ehhoe says that he now feels a victim of hate since hes says that he now feels a victim of hate since hes come out with all of hate since hes come out with err ot all these allegations of ewerwthhhg all these allegations of everything happened all these allegations of everythinghappened. All these allegations of everythinghappened. And everything thats happened. And he hetee everything thats happened. And he hetee thet everything thats happened. And he makes that that everything thats happened. And he makes that that argument about doesnt about homophobia, doesnt it . He does. He about homophobia, doesnt it . He does. He does. About homophobia, doesnt it . He does. He does. In the sun hhtehhew does. He does. In the sun hhtehhew. Does. He does. In the sun interview , he 6 he does. In the sun interview , he talks about interview, he talks about heoherto interview, he talks about leonardo dicaprio. He says leonardo dicaprio. He says heoherto leonardo dicaprio. He says leonardo dicaprio. He says leonardo dicaprio. Hes gone for wowhger leonardo dicaprio. Hes gone for wowhger woheh leonardo dicaprio. Hes gone for younger women. He doesnt get the younger women. He doesnt get thhe eowt younger women. He doesnt get this amount of younger women. He doesnt get this amount of criticism. He ooee this amount of criticism. He toee get this amount of criticism. He toee get thet this amount of criticism. He does get that criticism. The erohteh does get that criticism. The problem with does get that criticism. The problem with Phillip Schofield , problem with Phillip Schofield, heehowt problem with Phillip Schofield, heabout this problem with Phillip Schofield, he about this affair. He has lied about this affair. So he has lied about this affair. So eeoete he has lied about this affair. So eeoete to he has lied about this affair. So people do not know what to thet. So people do not know what to trwet. Weeh. So people do not know what to trust. Yeah. And so people do not know what to trust. Yeah. And i so people do not know what to trust. Yeah. And i think thats a trust. Yeah. And i think thats e tetr trust. Yeah. And i think thats e tehr eohht. Trust. Yeah. And i think thats e tehr eohht. H trust. Yeah. And i think thats a fair point. 6 a fair point. I believe and i think weve spoken about this throughout morning throughout the morning that if he seeing much he had been seeing a much younger woman, i think hed have been two ago. Ithink been me two years ago. I think he have been me two years ago. I think hehewe heeh been me two years ago. I think hehave been crucified. 1 66 i think he more ave been crucified 1 66 i think he more than een crucified 1 66 i think he more than this, rucified 1 66 i think he more than this, actually. Much more than this, actually. I thhh much more than this, actually. I thhht the much more than this, actually. I think the problem much more than this, actually. I think the problem is that on eooheh think the problem is that on social been. Social media, theres been ewhtehoe social media, theres been ewhtehoe ot social media, theres been evidence of you social media, theres been evidence of you meeting this young evidence of you meeting this wowhg heh evidence of you meeting this young man when he was just 15 weete young man when he was just 15 weere ott. Young man when he was just 15 weere ott. So young man when he was just 15 years old. So people are now going years old. So people are now gohhglhewe years old. So people are now going have doubt that there going to have doubt that there wee ot going to have doubt that there wee or e going to have doubt that there was of a sexual. Was no elements of a sexual ohehhetrw was no elements of a sexual chemistry there was no elements of a sexual chemistry there from when he was then chemistry there from when he was then whth chemistry there from when he was then whtht the chemistry there from when he was then until the age chemistry there from when he was then until the age of 20, when hhhthe then until the age of 20, when hhhthe eewe then until the age of 20, when hhhthe eewe the then until the age of 20, when philip says the relationship did heghh philip says the relationship did heghh ahe philip says the relationship did begin. And its philip says the relationship did begin. 116 6 begin. And its interesting here as well. It says if this continues and continues, do they not there is a human not know there is a human being at of do you at the end of this . Do you actually to die . Is that actually want me to die . Is that the end game . Very dramatic world. It is. But to be honest, i world. It is. But to be honest, hthhht world. It is. But to be honest, hthhht thhe world. It is. But to be honest, i think this he world. It is. But to be honest, i think this he has 6 it is. But to be honest, i think this he has become erohehtw i think this he has become erohehtw ohe i think this he has become probably one of i think this he has become probably one of the most hated hh probably one of the most hated men in society probably one of the most hated men in society this week. And men in society this week. And there men in society this week. And there he men in society this week. And there he thet men in society this week. And there is that kind men in society this week. And there is that kind of effect on whet there is that kind of effect on whet ht there is that kind of effect on whet ht oeh there is that kind of effect on what it can have there is that kind of effect on what it can have on your mental heetth what it can have on your mental heetth. Hhe what it can have on your Mental Health. His career what it can have on your Mental Health. His career is what it can have on your Mental Health. His career is ended. Hee health. His career is ended. Hee twothtw health. His career is ended. Hes luckily that hes still hehg hes luckily that hes still hehg oh hes luckily that hes still hang on hanged on to the support of hang on hanged on to the support ot hhe hang on hanged on to the support ot hhe tehhhw hang on hanged on to the support of his family and hang on hanged on to the support of his family and friends. But he whth of his family and friends. But he will never of his family and friends. But he will never be of his family and friends. But he will never be able to live the he will never be able to live thhe town he will never be able to live this down and he will never be able to live this down and he he will never be able to live this down and he says in the hhtehhew this down and he says in the hhtehhew he this down and he says in the interview he knows his Television Interview he knows his Television Career is over. This is Television Career is over. This he teet Television Career is over. Thisi he heetewhhho is probably the last big public thhhg is probably the last big public thhhg we is probably the last big public thhhg we whth is probably the last big public thing we will see of phillip eohothett thing we will see of phillip sohothett. Thing we will see of Phillip Schofield , so thing we will see of Phillip Schofield , so its a for him schofield, so its a lot for him to eooeee schofield, so its a lot for him to erooeee us schofield, so its a lot for him to process us and schofield, so its a lot for him to process us and hes also lost his to process us and hes also lost hhe trhehtehhe to process us and hes also lost his friendship with to process us and hes also lost his friendship with holly whttowghhw. His friendship with Holly Willoughby. 6 his friendship with Holly Willoughby. His friendship with Holly Willoughby. He talks about that. He does. And what do you think willoughby. He talks about that. Henext s. And what do you think willoughby. He talks about that. Henext forlnd what do you think willoughby. He talks about that. Henext for her . Ilt do you think willoughby. He talks about that. Henext for her . I thinklou think willoughby. He talks about that. Henext for her . I think for think is next for her . I think for herr is next for her . I think for her. How is next for her . I think for her. Hohhw he is next for her . I think for her, holly is going 6. X. 7 i think for her, holly is going to have a oomeheoh her, holly is going to have a comeback. Shes her, holly is going to have a comeback. Shes probably going toe comeback. Shes probably going toe hhghtw to have a mighty comeback heoewee to have a mighty comebackj because defiant. Because she seems defiant. She reweeet because she seems defiant. She refuses morning. Refuses to leave this morning. She refuses to leave this morning. She troh refuses to leave this morning. She from what refuses to leave this morning. She from what i refuses to leave this morning. She from what i hear, she will be she from what i hear, she will he heot she from what i hear, she will he heot oh she from what i hear, she will be back on the she from what i hear, she will be back on the sofas back on mondav be back on the sofas back on wohtewlhte be back on the sofas back on monday. Its going to be the monday. But its going to be the eheeheht ehel elephant in the room. And she oot elephant in the room. And she oot eot elephant in the room. And she cannot act like elephant in the room. And she cannot act like its business as wewet cannot act like its business as wewet gohhg cannot act like its business as wewet gohhg to cannot act like its business as usual. Going to have to usual. Shes going to have to ettreee usual. Shes going to have to ettreeeh usual. Shes going to have to addressishesl address it. And i think shes erohehhw address it. And i think shes probably address probably going to address it whth probably going to address it with powerfully with a probably very powerfully at with a probably very powerfully et ot with a probably very powerfully et ot the with a probably very powerfully at of the show. At the beginning of the show heet at the beginning of the show heeth at the beginning of the show nexti think at the beginning of the show nexti think. At the beginning of the show nexti think. So. At the beginning of the show next i think. So shell next monday. I think. So shell hete next monday. I think. So shell makelstatement. Next monday. I think. So shell make statement. Shes to make a statement. Shes going to hewe make a statement. Shes going to hewelheoewee make a statement. Shes going to havebecause if make a statement. Shes going to have because if youre not have to, because if youre not ghwhhg have to, because if youre not ghwhhg we have to, because if youre not ghwhhg wewow have to, because if youre not giving up you want have to, because if youre not. Giving upyouwant to giving up and you dont want to etee giving up and you dont want to etee town giving up and you dont want to etee towh eht giving up and you dont want to step down and you viewers step down and you want viewers to trwet step down and you want viewers to thethow step down and you want viewers to trwethow ee step down and you want viewers to trustnow as a step down and you want viewers to trust now as a solo act, to trust you, now as a solo act, wowre to trust you, now as a solo act, wowhe gohhg to trust you, now as a solo act, wowhe gohhg to to trust you, now as a solo act, youre going to have to address it youre going to have to address ht eht youre going to have to address ht ehowowr youre going to have to address ht ehowowrwerwi it and give your thoughts very hwoh. Heeh| it and give your thoughts veryi hwoh. Heeh hh much. Holly says shes been in the wew much. Holly says shes been in the way through. The dark all the way through this, thp| the dark all the way through this,|that philipi the dark all the way through this, that he philip the dark all the way through this, that he to philip the dark all the way through this, that he to philas says, that he lied to her as wen says, that he lied to her as well. Says, that he lied to her as well. But says, that he lied to her as well. But then says, that he lied to her as well. But then nv says, that he lied to her as well. Sui says, that he lied to her as well. says, that he lied to her as well. But then itv top brass are well. But then itv top brass are due to be grilled on wednesday. Due to be grilled on wednesday. Am i right in saying that . Yeah. So why would she go back the so why would she go back on the monday . Just wait till monday . Why not just wait till thats the and thats all out of the way and have a proper clean start . I think she should have have a proper clean start . I think she should havethat. Think she should have done that. But she think she should have done that. But she she but i think clearly she she feels but i think clearly she she feelsin but i think clearly she shei feelsinthis. Feels innocent in all of this. What . Feels innocent in all of this. I when going what . Itv executives are going to in to be grilled about in parliament to be grilled about in parliament safeguarding. To be grilled about in parliament safeguarding. And parliament is safeguarding. And that nes parliament is safeguarding. And that nes in parliament is safeguarding. Andi that lies inhands that very much lies in the hands of of that very much lies in the hands of of how that very much lies in the hands of of how far that very much lies in the hands of of how far theyve of itv bosses of how far theyve actually of itv bosses of how far theyve actually protected of itv bosses of how far theyve actually protected people in this actually protected people in this situation. Actually protected people in this situation. So that is nothing this situation. So that is nothing to this situation. So that is nothing to do this situation. So that is nothing to do with holly. Okay, stephame nothing to do with holly. Okay, stephanie. Nothing to do with holly. Okay, stephanie , thank nothing to do with holly. Okay, stephanie , thank you for stephanie, thank you for bringing stephanie, thank you for ininging nn stephanie, thank you for bringing us up to speed on this ongoing bringing us up to speed on this ongoing oogo. Bringing us up to speed on this ongoing saga. 4 3. Bringing us up to speed on this ongoing saga. . Ongoing saga. Youve barely slept, you . No, i ongoing saga. Youve barely slept,you . No, i havent. Slept, have you . No, i havent. I slept, have you . No, i havent. I ono slept, have you . No, i havent. I ono oi slept, have you . No, i havent. I ono oi ino slept, have you . No, i havent. I one of the mosti i think this is one of the most onelthose i think this is one of the most one. Those stories i think this is one of the most one those stories just one of those stories thats just going andl going to keep on giving. And monoo going to keep on giving. And theres more going to keep on giving. And theres more toi going to keep on giving. And theres more to come theres going to be more to come. Sionnnnio. Theres going to be more to come. Stephanie, youll. Okay. Stephanie, youll be with step of the way, with us every step of the way, im thank you very much im sure. Thank you very much for us. Now, lots of you forjoining us. Now, lots of you have been getting touch this have been getting in touch this morning on lots of different stories were talking about stories that were talking about. Strikes continue to. The rail strikes continue to pull from scotland. And touch pull from scotland. And touch warning to you, paul, ban all rail workers from matches on strike days and interestingly, its all about the derby as well , because, of course, the rail strikes are timed to disrupt that. And strikes are timed to disrupt that. And alan says it will be a that. And alan says it will be a ninooio that. And alan says it will be a ninoio ii that. And alan says it will be a miracle if most that. And alan says it will be a miracle if most of and alan says it will be a miracle if most of those this is one miracle if most of those this is no oninoi miracle if most of those this is the animal rising miracle if most of those this is the animal rising protesters who are the animal rising protesters who oionning the animal rising protesters who planning io the animal rising protesters who are planning to stop the train oni are planning to stop the train and oioo are planning to stop the train and stop ino are planning to stop the train and stop the derby tomorrow. Iiii and stop the derby tomorrow. Gg io and stop the derby tomorrow. Gg in o and stop the derby tomorrow. Itll be a miracle and stop the derby tomorrow. Itll be a miracle if most of mono itll be a miracle if most of nose wno itll be a miracle if most of those who attempt to disrupt the derby those who attempt to disrupt the ioniy niii those who attempt to disrupt the derby will leave those who attempt to disrupt the derby will leave unscathed, as so derby will leave unscathed, as oo many derby will leave unscathed, as so many poopin derby will leave unscathed, as so many people attending are down so many people attending are down to so many people attending are down to oonin so many people attending are down to earth times and will not neonate down to earth times and will not nooiioio io down to earth times and will not hesitate to sort down to earth times and will not hesitate to sort them out as necessary. Alan hesitate to sort them out as necessary. Alan thought about necessary. Alan thought about a bit necessary. Alan thought about a bi oi necessary. Alan thought about a iii of o necessary. Alan thought about a iii of o iii necessary. Alan thought about a bit of a bit of necessary. Alan thought about a bit of a bit of fan necessary. Alan thought about a bit of a bit of fan power, a bit of snoot bit of a bit of fan power, a bit of street justice. Bit of a bit of fan power, a bit of street justice. Yes. Yes. Jay says of street justice. Yes. Yes. Jay says aninoi of street justice. Yes. Yes. Jay says animal rising should be onongoi says animal rising should be charged financially with any iooooo charged financially with any losses from charged financially with any losses from epsom, including revenue, horses, losses from epsom, including revenue, horses, lives or , god revenue, horses, lives or, god gogg revenue, horses, lives or, god forbid, o revenue, horses, lives or, god forbid, a human revenue, horses, lives or, god forbid, a human life. Revenue, horses, lives or, god fofbid, a human life. Forbid, a human life. I mean, tnats forbid, a human life. I mean, inns ino forbid, a human life. I mean, thats the concern, isnt it . I mean, we had somebody from animal rising in earlier. She said was taking part in said she was just taking part in a protest yes. She a peaceful protest. Yes. But she acknowledged would be acknowledged that there would be people their people who would use their bodies , her words, to cause bodies, her words, to cause disruption and that is something that of great concern when that is of great concern when theres animals , horses that are theres animals, horses that are racing. Yeah, i think were heading that that that heading towards that that that phase. Now of martyrdom, you know phase. Now of martyrdom, you know. Phase. Now of martyrdom, you know , no phase. Now of martyrdom, you now of martyrdom, you know , we see protesters throwing know, we see protesters throwing inonooivoo know, we see protesters throwing inonooivoo in know, we see protesters throwing themselves in dangerous ways or oooioi themselves in dangerous ways or oooioi noiio themselves in dangerous ways or social media moments were seeing social media moments were seeing working social media moments were seeing working class lorry inven seeing working class lorry drivers drag seeing working class lorry drivers drag in. Seeing working class lorry drivers drag in. Just stop oil noiooion drivers drag in. Just stop Oil Protesters off drivers drag in. Just stop Oil Protesters off the streets goiiing protesters off the streets getting arrested. And thats getting arrested. And thats wig getting arrested. And thats not aiion getting arrested. And thats what aidan magee said earlier. Iiiio what aidan magee said earlier. Iiiio inooo what aidan magee said earlier. Ellie these things are constantly ellie these things are constantly filmed, constantly put constantly filmed, constantly on out constantly filmed, constantly poi oni inono. Constantly filmed, constantly put out there. Perhaps the best idea put out there. Perhaps the best idea is put out there. Perhaps the best idea is insi put out there. Perhaps the best idea is just io put out there. Perhaps the best idea is just to stop giving them any pinion. Idea is just to stop giving them any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Jziti any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Do letknow any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Do let. Know what any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Do let. Know what you any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Do let. Know what you think. Any publicity. Yeah perhaps. Do let know what you think. You let us know what you think. You heading to the epsom derby . What do the animal do you think about the animal rising activists that are going to a protest . There . To be staging a protest . There . Is racing cruel . Do you is horse racing cruel . Do you let us know . Vaiews gbnews. Uk com to our next story now. Do you com to our next story now. Do you gink com to our next story now. Do you ininn inni com to our next story now. Do you think that brexit dragged on for non . You think that brexit dragged on for years . Well, you think that brexit dragged on for years . Well, it you think that brexit dragged on for years . Well, it looks like cowo for years . Well, it looks like com is for years . Well, it looks like covid is going for years . Well, it looks like covid is going exactly the same way covid is going exactly the same way. Covid is going exactly the same way. Ino covid is going exactly the same way. The government covid is going exactly the same way. D way. The government are preparing a legal battle preparing for a legal battle over boris whats app over Boris Johnsons. Whats app messages . Yeah, the chair of the com messages . Yeah, the chair of the com inguin 3 yeah, the chair of the covid inquiry demanded they be nonioi covid inquiry demanded they be noniei oven covid inquiry demanded they be handed over for covid inquiry demanded they be handed over for her investigation , but ministers are investigation, but ministers are concerned about investigation, but ministers are concerned about damaging content contained concerned about damaging content containedthem concerned about damaging content containedthem and concerned about damaging content contained them and want the contained in them and want the ineievoni contained in them and want the irrelevant ones contained in them and want the irrelevant ones withheld. Irrelevant ones withheld. So iove irrelevant ones withheld. So ieie openi irrelevant ones withheld. So lets speak now irrelevant ones withheld. So lets speak now to irrelevant ones withheld. So lets speak now to our irrelevant ones withheld. So lets speak now to our political reporter olivia utley. Good morning to you, olivia. This is quite an extraordinary situation , isnt it . I mean, we will have the uk government launching a legal challenge against a Public Inquiry that it asked for. Its absolutely extraordinary and you make a very good point there. They did ask for it, which is why they did ask for it, which is on one they did ask for it, which is on o they did ask for it, which is why are a couple of very eminent ionoene why are a couple of very eminent lawyers, including why are a couple of very eminent lawyers, including lord sumption and lawyers, including lord sumption onenign lawyers, including lord sumption onenign conn lawyers, including lord sumption and high court judge, has and former high court judge, has onio and former high court judge, has saidgovernment said that the government probably said that the government| probably weak said that the government probably weak case probably has a very weak case wnen probably has a very weak case wnen tney probably has a very weak case when they take probably has a very weak case when they take this to the high conn when they take this to the high coon. When they take this to the high oonn, oe when they take this to the high oonn, no you when they take this to the highi court, as you. They court because, as you say, they agreei court because, as you say, they agreed Baroness Court because, as you say, they agreed baroness hallett remit oni agreed baroness hallett remit oni nen agreed baroness hallett remit oni neeie agreed baroness hallett remit and heris very agreed baroness hallett remit and her is very wide and her remit is very wide inieei. And her remit is very wide indeed. Shes and her remit is very wide indeed. Shes essentially oiionei indeed. Shes essentially allowed to indeed. Shes essentially allowed to ask for whatever she iinee. Allowed to ask for whatever she iinee. So allowed to ask for whatever she iinee. So wny allowed to ask for whatever she likes. So why are allowed to ask for whatever she likes. So why are the government being likes. So why are the government ieing eo likes. So why are the government being so reluctant likes. So why are the government being so reluctant to hand over tnese being so reluctant to hand over these messages . Being so reluctant to hand over these messages . Well there are two reasons, really, to possibly ponies. Two reasons, really, to possibly ponies. One two reasons, really, to possibly ponies. One ie two reasons, really, to possibly parties. One is that there is eoneining parties. One is that there is something damaging that a siting something damaging that a sitting minister simply doesnt noni sitting minister simply doesnt wont to sitting minister simply doesnt wont to ie sitting minister simply doesnt want to be seen, sitting minister simply doesnt want to be seen, rishi sunak eoii want to be seen, rishi sunak said something want to be seen, rishi sunak said something maybe that was in wav said something maybe that was in some way damaging, way worrying that some way damaging, way worrying inoi ne some way damaging, way worrying that he doesnt some way damaging, way worrying that he doesnt want seeing the iigni that he doesnt want seeing the iigni oi that he doesnt want seeing the iigni of day that he doesnt want seeing the iigni of day. That he doesnt want seeing the light of day. Thats a sort of light of day. Thats a sort of more exciting light of day. Thats a sort of more exciting option. Or the more exciting option. Or the one more exciting option. Or the one ine more exciting option. Or the other the other more exciting option. Or the other the other option is that ninieien other the other option is that ministers and other the other option is that ministers and Civil Servants are worried ministers and Civil Servants are noniei eooet ministers and Civil Servants are worried about setting a precedent. Worried about setting a precedent. If worried about setting a precedent. If inquiries are oiionei precedent. If inquiries are oiionei io precedent. If inquiries are allowed to see precedent. If inquiries are allowed to see all the whatsapp messages between allowed to see all the whatsapp messages between ministers and oivii messages between ministers and oivii eenonie messages between ministers and Civil Servants, is messages between ministers and Civil Servants, is there a iongen Civil Servants, is there a danger oi Civil Servants, is there a danger of privacy being compromised and perhaps more ingonioniio compromised and perhaps more ingononiiy, ine compromised and perhaps more importantly, the idea that this is importantly, the idea that this ie wig importantly, the idea that this is nnoi ine importantly, the idea that this is what the governments lawyer, james is what the governments lawyer, ionee indie, is what the governments lawyer, james eadie, keeps is what the governments lawyer, james eadie, keeps talking about, james eadie, keeps talking. Gogg, inn james eadie, keeps talking about, that it james eadie, keeps talking about, that it undermines the concept about, that it undermines the concept oi about, that it undermines the concept of collective responsibility. The way this connin responsibility. The way this country governed is ministers country is governed is ministers are country is governed is ministers present country is governed is ministers oneeeni o country is governed is ministers are present a united front to ine are present a united front to ine guine are present a united front to ine onniio on are present a united front to the public on any given issue. Yonii the public on any given issue. Yonii eee the public on any given issue. Youll see ministers coming out on on newsround youll see ministers coming out on on newsround exactly on on newsround saying exactly the on on newsround saying exactly ine sonne on on newsround saying exactly ine tning on on newsround saying exactly the same thing, one after the oinen the same thing, one after the other. Behind the same thing, one after the other. Behind closed doors, other. But behind closed doors, before other. But behind closed doors, beforenoon other. But behind closed doors, before reach decision before they reach that decision on wig before they reach that decision on what theyre before they reach that decision on what theyre lying to, the guine on what theyre lying to, the pnoneioe, on what theyre lying to, the publicbe, the on what theyre lying to, the public be, the idea is that public will be, the idea is that tneyne public will be, the idea is that theyre supposed public will be, the idea is that theyre supposed able to public will be, the idea is that theyirobust osed able to public will be, the idea is that theyirobust arguments able to public will be, the idea is that theyirobust arguments with to public will be, the idea is that theyirobust arguments with each have robust arguments with each one. Have robust arguments with each one. Nni have robust arguments with each one. Not i have robust arguments with each other. But if all have robust arguments with each other. But if all of have robust arguments with each other. But if all of their whatsapp other. But if all of their whatsapp messages, theres a iongen whatsapp messages, theres a danger inni whatsapp messages, theres a danger that theyre going to go ponie danger that theyre going to go pnonetney danger that theyre going to go pnonetney ie danger that theyre going to go public, they be too public, then will they be too econo public, then will they be too eeoneo io public, then will they be too scared to have public, then will they be too scared to have those sorts of ionisi scared to have those sorts of robust which. Scared to have those sorts of. Robust which they robust conversations which they enooio robust conversations which they shouldhaving . Robust conversations which they should having . Ci . Robust conversations which they should having . Ca robust conversations which they should having . Ci . An should be having . Can we address this boriss old phone . This point of boriss old phone . So he he has an older phone, which which he claims hes been told to not switch on by the home office because it was compromised. His mobile phone was online, number was online for 15 years. So the phone is currently handed over only dates from may 2021 anyway, and thats way after for the first three lockdown phones. Now, do you think that that phone will be seized and will be put into evidence, or will he kind of get away with it . Ive lost my homework thing. It homework kind of thing. It sounds Boris Johnson sounds as though Boris Johnson has sounds as though Boris Johnson newer sounds as though Boris Johnson noeoven ogoinl has said over and over again not has said over and over again thatis has said over and over again ihatlisthan has said over and over again. Thatisthanto that he is more than willing to nono that he is more than willing to nono oven that he is more than willing to hand over that that he is more than willing to hand over that phone, that pnone, hand over that phone, that phone, which hand over that phone, that phone, which has been switched off zon phone, which has been switched off zen zi off ever since may 20th, 21, wnen off ever since may 20th, 21, when security off ever since may 20th, 21, when security leak was when the security leak was discovered. When the security leak was discovered. He when the security leak was discovered. He has said that nee discovered. He has said that nee oeneooiy discovered. He has said that hes perfectly willing to do it. Nee hes perfectly willing to do it. Hes even written hes perfectly willing to do it. Hes even written the hes even written to the security hes even written to the Security Services , asking Security Services, asking if he eonpermission Security Services, asking if he can permission to Security Services, asking if he can permission to turn off can have permission to turn off not can have permission to turn off not on can have permission to turn off not on not can have permission to turn off that on that phone can have permission to turn off that on that phone because it noeleeooniy that on that phone because it was security service, services was a security service, services not was a security service, services not ioio was a security service, services not ioio nin was a security service, services that told him not was a security service, services that told him not to. So it eooneo that told him not to. So it sounds quite that told him not to. So it sounds quite likely that that pnone sounds quite likely that that pnone niii sounds quite likely that that pnone wiii gei sounds quite likely that that phone will get into the public oonoin. Phone will get into the public oonoin. Noi phone will get into the public domain. But will phone will get into the public domain. But will it actually be nonoeo domain. But will it actually be nonoeo oven domain. But will it actually be handed over to domain. But will it actually be handed over to the covid inquiry ieoooee handed over to the covid inquiry ieoooee inoi handed over to the covid inquiry because that is handed over to the covid inquiry because that is the handed over to the covid inquiry because that is the Cabinet Officee because that is the Cabinet Offices decision because that is the Cabinet Offices decision. Even if they offices decision. Even if they iose offices decision. Even if they ioee inein offices decision. Even if they lose their judicial review, this is inie lose their judicial review, this is inie ie lose their judicial review, this is this is where lose their judicial review, this is this is where it lose their judicial review, this is this is where it gets sort of oieoioieiy is this is where it gets sort of absolutely crazy is this is where it gets sort of absolutely crazy if they lose inein absolutely crazy if they lose their judicial absolutely crazy if they lose their judicial review, then the government their judicial review, then the government has their judicial review, then the government has to hand over inoee government has to hand over those unredacted government has to hand over those unredacted documents to the those unredacted documents to ine cowo those unredacted documents to the covm inquiry those unredacted documents to the covid inquiry if it still neoeiee the covid inquiry if it still neoeiee io the covid inquiry if it still refuses to do the covid inquiry if it still refuses to do so the covid inquiry if it still refuses to do so , which would be refuses to do so, which would be iizone. Refuses to do so, which would be iizone. Noi refuses to do so, which would be bizarre. But they refuses to do so, which would be bizarre. But they are sticking inein bizarre. But they are sticking inein neeie bizarre. But they are sticking their heels in bizarre. But they are sticking their heels in at bizarre. But they are sticking their heels in at the moment. Inen their heels in at the moment. Inen in their heels in at the moment. Then in potentially the covid inguin then in potentially the covid ingoin. Then in potentially the covid ingoin , eooio then in potentially the covid inquiry , could the ministers inquiry, could the ministers eooio inquiry, could the ministers eooio ie inquiry, could the ministers could be arrested and hauled up in non could be arrested and hauled up in front oi could be arrested and hauled up in front of the could be arrested and hauled up in front of the covid inquiry ionoeo in front of the covid inquiry forced to in front of the covid inquiry forced to give in front of the covid inquiry forced to give their evidence onoen forced to give their evidence under arrest. Forced to give their evidence under arrest. Now presumably its under arrest. Now presumably iregoing under arrest. Now presumably ioegoing io under arrest. Now presumably itsgoing to get under arrest. Now presumably its going to get to that, its not going to get to that, ioni its not going to get to that, bug. Its not going to get to that, bug. Ooo its not going to get to that, but an odd situation. G but it is an odd situation. It ieoiiy but it is an odd situation. It ieoiiy io but it is an odd situation. It ieoiiy is o but it is an odd situation. It really is a remarkable but it is an odd situation. It really is a remarkable situation. And what do you make of Boris Johnsons role in all of this . I mean, is he playing politics or is this just bluffing, saying that hes happy to hand over anything to the inquiry, anything to the inquiry, anything that they need. But in doing so, he is putting the ball firmly in rishi sunak court, isnt he . And we know that theres no love lost between those two. Absolutely. I think nee those two. Absolutely. I think nee being those two. Absolutely. I think nee ieing o those two. Absolutely. I think hes being a bit those two. Absolutely. I think hes being a bit of those two. Absolutely. I think hes being a bit of a absolutely. I think hes being a bit of a mischief none hes being a bit of a mischief nonen. Hes being a bit of a mischief nonen. Hes being a bit of a mischief maker. I mean, hes being a bit of a mischief maker. I mean, youve got to ieei maker. I mean, youve got to ieei sorry maker. I mean, youve got to ieei eonylnin maker. I mean, youve got to feel sorry him because feel sorry for him because ieooing feel sorry for him because leadingthis feel sorry for him because leading this and feel sorry for him because leadingthis and the leading up to all this and the week leading up to all this and the neen inn, week coming up to this, the son week coming up to this, the eonnone week coming up to this, the story Boris Johnson doesnt story was Boris Johnson doesnt noni story was Boris Johnson doesnt noni nie story was Boris Johnson doesnt want his whatsapp seen by the ponie want his whatsapp seen by the poiiio. So want his whatsapp seen by the public. So perhaps its unsurprising public. So perhaps its unsurprisingsaying , unsurprising that hes saying, hey, unsurprising that hes saying, neo in hey, wait a minute, im oonpieoeiy hey, wait a minute, im completely with hey, wait a minute, im completely. With whatsapp hey, wait a minute, im complseen. With whatsapp hey, wait a minute, im complseen bwaith whatsapp hey, wait a minute, im complseen by the th whatsapp hey, wait a minute, im complseen by the Covid Whatsapp hey, wait a minute, im complseen by the covid inquiry. Ip being seen by the covid inquiry. But being seen by the covid inquiry. On oee being seen by the covid inquiry. No yes, g being seen by the covid inquiry. On yee, i very being seen by the covid inquiry. But yes, it very much puts the ion but yes, it very much puts the noii in but yes, it very much puts the ball in rishi but yes, it very much puts the ball in rishi sunak court. Also in enven ball in rishi sunak court. Also in Oliver Dowdens court, the coiinei in Oliver Dowdens court, the Cabinet Office in Oliver Dowdens court, the Cabinet Office secretary. Apparently Cabinet Office secretary. Apparently there is no love lost between apparently there is no love lost between boris apparently there is no love lost between Boris Johnson and Oliver Dowden between Boris Johnson and oliver oonoen eiinen between Boris Johnson and Oliver Dowden either. Between Boris Johnson and Oliver Dowden either. And between Boris Johnson and Oliver Dowden either. And this could be none dowden either. And this could be Boris Johnsons dowden either. And this could be Boris Johnsons office sort of geoiing Boris Johnsons office sort of geiiing in Boris Johnsons office sort of geiiing in o Boris Johnsons office sort of getting in a little dig at dowden getting in a little dig at dowdentheir getting in a little dig at dowden their way out. Well, dowden on their way out. Well, oiivio dowden on their way out. Well, oiivio. Dowden on their way out. Well, oiivio , many dowden on their way out. Well, olivia , manyus dowden on their way out. Well, olivia , many us will be olivia, many of us will be neoiiy olivia, many of us will be really expect olivia, many of us will be really expect ing and demanding a really expect ing and demanding oingoin. Really expect ing and demanding oingoin. Why really expect ing and demanding ainquiw why do really expect ing and demanding a inquiry. Rwy i 1 i a covid inquiry. Why do you shut down why you down the economy . Why do you give of give away 500 billions of pounds . Thats been subjected to huge fraud . Have huge amounts of fraud . Why have we the Mental Health we endangered the Mental Health of our children . Why have we had so many missed cancer appointments . Are the appointments . Why are we in the state . £2 trillion in state . Were in £2 trillion in debt, here are debt, and yet here we are faffing about whatsapp faffing around about whatsapp messages. People are going to get on me. Get fed up with this on me. Perhaps. I get fed up with this on me. Perhaps. I mean, there are a lot of ooneenoiive perhaps. I mean, there are a lot of conservative mps who ive spoken of conservative mps who ive spoken to of conservative mps who ive spoken oo wno of conservative mps who ive spoken to who are actually bit spoken to who are actually a bit worried spoken to who are actually a bit worriedcovid worried about the covid inquiry peooose worried about the covid inquiry because cause worried about the covid inquiry because cause like because cause they would like the because cause they would like tneknot because cause they would like tneknot yon because cause they would like the that you just. The questions that you just oskeo. The questions that you just asked. Theyre the questions that you just asked. Theyre answered, but tneyne theyre worried that actually theyre worried that actually the covidi the framework of the covid inguin the framework of the covid inquirynarrow the framework of the covid. Inquirynarrowwill inquiry is too narrow and will iook inquiry is too narrow and will iook oe inquiry is too narrow and will iook g inquiry is too narrow and will look more at should we have iookeo look more at should we have locked down look more at should we have locked down three days earlier wnen locked down three days earlier wnen none locked down three days earlier when france locked down or nnoieven when france locked down or whatever, rather when france locked down or whatever, rather than those nioen whatever, rather than those wider questions whatever, rather than those wider questions of what were the oonoges wider questions of what were the oonoges, wnicn wider questions of what were the damages, which we didnt oonsioen damages, which we didnt consider beforehand, what were the consider beforehand, what were ine oonoge, consider beforehand, what were the damage, the consider beforehand, what were the damage, the wider damages to poiienis the damage, the wider damages to Cancer Patients , the damage, the wider damages to Cancer Patients , children being Cancer Patients, children being iookeo Cancer Patients, children being iookeo gonn Cancer Patients, children being locked down for Cancer Patients, children being locked down for a Cancer Patients, children being locked down for a long time . Et eenoi locked down for a long time . Et eenoi so locked down for a long time . Et ekeno so yes locked down for a long time . Et cetera. So yes, there are lots of peopie cetera. So yes, there are lots of peopie wno cetera. So yes, there are lots of people who are really looking ionnono of people who are really looking ionnono ko of people who are really looking forward to seeing, of people who are really looking forward to seeing, not looking ionnoni forward to seeing, not looking forwardsounds forward to seeing, not looking forward. Sounds too forward. That sounds too opkiniskis forward. That sounds too optimistic, but a anticipating the optimistic, but a anticipating kne nesoiks optimistic, but a anticipating the results of optimistic, but a anticipating the results of the covid inquiry the results of the covid inguin. Pok the results of the covid inquiry. But it the results of the covid inquiry. But it might be a iikkie inquiry. But it might be a iikkie pik inquiry. But it might be a little bit disappointing. Okay pinio little bit disappointing. Okay piivio ukiek little bit disappointing. Okay olivia utley thank you for ioining olivia utley thank you for joining morning. Olivia utley thank you for joiningmorning. Thank joining us this morning. Thank you joining us this morning. Thank yonnoen. Joining us this morning. Thank| younoen. Ieks you very, very much. Well, lets cross now to shadow minister for levelling up alex norris. Good morning to you, alex. I believe he is just coming up on the line for us. Here he is , mar a lago. For us. Here he is, mar a lago. Alex, thank you very, very much for your company this morning. Now, i know that youre here to talk about the wait for cancer appointments, which is very, very important that we do touch upon. But well come to that in just a moment because we have just a moment because we have just been speaking about about the cabinet versus the covid inquiry that ongoing battle , it inquiry that ongoing battle, it does pose the wider question, doesnt it, about communication lines in westminster . Would you lines in westminster . Would you be happy to hand over all of your whatsapps and any personal diaries to a to an inquiry if they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, i they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, iknink they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, iknink ii they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, i think if youre they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, i think if youre going they ask for them . Yeah. I mean, i think if youre going to , yeah. I mean, i think if youre going to set up knis i think if youre going to set p this inquiry, i think if youre going to set up this inquiry, which is inponkonk up this inquiry, which is important for up this inquiry, which is important for the reasons. Iionkin important for the reasons. Martin stated, important for the reasons. Martin stated, its important for martin stated, its important ion kne martin stated, its important for the reasons martin stated, its important for the reasons that, you know, all for the reasons that, you know, oii knose for the reasons that, you know, all those families for the reasons that, you know, all those families up and down the all those families up and down kne soonkny all those families up and down the country who all those families up and down the country who lost loved ones, all the country who lost loved ones, oii knose the country who lost loved ones, all those people the country who lost loved ones, all those people who huge all those people who made huge sooniiioes all those people who made huge sacrifices deserve all those people who made huge sacrifices deserve to know the kooks sacrifices deserve to know the kooks oni sacrifices deserve to know the facts and also, sacrifices deserve to know the facts and also, you know, we cooko facts and also, you know, we sooiolin facts and also, you know, we couldin similar facts and also, you know, we could in similar situations could be in similar situations in we could be in similar situations in weko could be in similar situations. In weko noke in the future. We need to make sinenepeoking in the future. We need to make surerepeating any. Sure were not repeating any niskokes sure were not repeating any mistakes that sure were not repeating any mistakes that were made. So if the mistakes that were made. So if kne pnioe mistakes that were made. So if kne pnioe oi mistakes that were made. So if the price of doing mistakes that were made. So if the price of doing that is to konn the price of doing that is to konn ny the price of doing that is to turn over my messages, then yes , oi turn over my messages, then yes of io turn over my messages, then yes , of course idthat. Turn over my messages, then yes , of course id that. Now, of course id do that. Now, nooio , of course id do that. Now, nooio knene , of course id do that. Now, would there be , of course id do that. Now, would there be lots of me to koiking would there be lots of me to koiking ny would there be lots of me to talking my mates about the iookkoii talking my mates about the football, me talking my mates about the football, me talking to my ioniik football, me talking to my familywhat football, me talking to my family what had family about what ive had for tea family about what ive had for keo 7 family about what ive had for keo iiieii family about what ive had for tea . Well, yes, family about what ive had for tea . Well, yes, but therell tea . Well, yes, but therell oiso tea . Well, yes, but therell oisolioks tea . Well, yes, but therell alsolots about tea . Well, yes, but therell also lots about work as well. Also be lots about work as well. Kno also be lots about work as well. Knoknok and i believe that the independent perfectly independent inquiry is perfectly okie independent inquiry is perfectly able relevant independent inquiry is perfectly able relevant andj able to sift whats relevant and nnoks able to sift whats relevant and nnoks nok able to sift whats relevant and whats not relevant. So yeah, of knek whats not relevant. So yeah, of course they set whats not relevant. So yeah, of course they set this whats not relevant. So yeah, of course they set this inquiry up. Its course they set this inquiry up. Iks neoiik course they set this inquiry up. Its really important. They just need its really important. They just neeo nikn its really important. They just neeo nikn ik its really important. They just need with it. L its really important. They just need with it. Ii need to cooperate with it. I w. Oneno need to cooperate with it. I wonder, alex, need to cooperate with it. I wonder, alex, if need to cooperate with it. I wonder, alex, if your need to cooperate with it. I wonder, alex, if your leader, sir keir starmer, would happily surrender his phone, i mean, therell be loads of messages. Wed like to find out about that ding dong in durham. And when the had few the labour party had a few bevvies. I mean. I mean, if its good for the goose, its good for should good for the goose, its good for careful should good for the goose, its good for careful wish should good for the goose, its good forcareful wish for. Jld be careful what you wish for. Well, martin, you know, i would ke well, martin, you know, i would never be calling well, martin, you know, i would never be calling on something for never be calling on something ion kne never be calling on something for the government and not be niiiing for the government and not be niiiingloo for the government and not be willing do myself. You willing to do it myself. You know, willing to do it myself. You know,events willing to do it myself. You know, events keir willing to do it myself. You know, wereknts keir willing to do it myself. You know, were fully keir willing to do it myself. You know, were fully investigated starmer were fully investigated and starmer were fully investigated one, you starmer were fully investigated ono, yonkne starmer were fully investigated and, you the account and, you know, the account iinoiiseo and, you know, the account iinoiiseo. And, you know, the account finalised. So and, you know, the account finalised. So i and, you know, the account finalised. So i dont finalised. So i dont think yonve finalised. So i dont think youve anything finalised. So i dont think youveanything to youve got anything more to ieonn soioi youve got anything more to. Learn said we learn there. But weve said we keiieve learn there. But weve said we believe government of the believe the government of the day believe the government of the do snooke believe the government of the do snonio ke believe the government of the day should be fully complying nikn day should be fully complying. Nikn ono with the inquiry they set up and of with the inquiry they set up and oi snooioil of course they should be. I nonkeo of course they should be. I nonkeo ko of course they should be. I wanted to touch of course they should be. I wanted to touch upon of course they should be. I wanted to touch upon the alarming about the alarming allegations about the labour mp Geraint Davies. Is labour mp Geraint Davies. Is that you will of course be aware of allegations is from five different women unwanted sexual attention, both physical and verbal. The youngest of those women being just 19 years old. Now a formal complaint has now gone to the labour party. He has been suspended from the party. We can say that the labour party have acted very swiftly on this, but it does join that list of seven labour mps who have been suspended or expelled. Resignations on top of that about misconduct. But that about misconduct. But that bnngs about misconduct. But that brings the total number to 11. Its a list of shame. What do you say to people that you want to vote for you in the next election . Yeah, well, youre election . Yeah, well, youre marching. You know, elliot, as you marching. You know, elliot, as you soo marching. You know, elliot, as you soio, knis marching. You know, elliot, as you said, this is 311 kg you know, elliot, as you said, this is exceptionally inosknoking you said, this is exceptionally inosknoking. You said, this is exceptionally frustrating. And you said, this is exceptionally frustrating. And what we read frustrating. And what we read yeskenook frustrating. And what we read yeskenooy os frustrating. And what we read yesterday was unacceptable. And, you know yesterday was unacceptable. And, you know. Yesterday was unacceptable. And, you know , wew yesterday was unacceptable. And, you know , very horrible to read. You know, very horrible to read. Its you know, very horrible to read. Iks nignk you know, very horrible to read. Is nignk knok you know, very horrible to read. Its right that thats now being iookeo its right that thats now being iookeo ok its right that thats now being looked at independently. And, you know looked at independently. And, you know. Looked at independently. And, you know , kne looked at independently. And, you know , the process needs to you know, the process needs to be ioiioweo. You know, the process needs to be followed. But you know, the process needs to be followed. But in terms of the knok be followed. But in terms of the no we be followed. But in terms of the cases that we know be followed. But in terms of the cases that we know that have been cases that we know that have been resolved, cases that we know that have been resolved, yeah, i mean, for us, been resolved, yeah, i mean, for won been resolved, yeah, i mean, for you know, been resolved, yeah, i mean, for you know, we been resolved, yeah, i mean, for us, you know, we know that it wnenniones us, you know, we know that it undermines confidence in ourselves. The undermines confidence in ourselves. The in ourselves. But in the in poiikios ourselves. But in the in politics generally as ourselves. But in the in politicsgenerally as well, politics more generally as well, keoowse politics more generally as well, because as you politics more generally as well, because as you this is because as you know, this is noppening because as you know, this is happening across the political speoknwn happening across the political speoknwn. Happening across the political spectrum. And happening across the political spectrum. And as someone who spectrum. And as someone who keiiewes spectrum. And as someone who keiiewes in spectrum. And as someone who keiiewes in own spectrum. And as someone who believes in our democracy, as someone who , you know, thinks someone who, you know, thinks knok someone who, you know, thinks that westminster someone who, you know, thinks that westminster politics really nokkens that westminster politics really matters, frustrating that matters, its frustrating that inskeooi matters, its frustrating that pngggg, wow matters, its frustrating that instead, you know, these things are instead, you know, these things oneon o instead, you know, these things oneon o wow instead, you know, these things are and, you know,i are happening and, you know, knewne are happening and, you know, theyre completely unacceptable. Kiek theyre completely unacceptable. Kiek wowne theyre completely unacceptable. Alex youre youre here today to. Alex youre youre here today ko koik. Alex youre youre here today to talk about. Alex youre youre here today to talk about it. Alex youre youre here today to talk about it. Knife. Alex youre youre here today to talk about it. � kae. to talk about it. What labour would plan to do about the backlog of 420,000 patients waiting too long for cancer appointments and youre blaming the tories for this, but a lot of people know this is actually about lockdowns. Professor karol about lockdowns. Professor karol sikora, one of britains most foremost oncologists , have been foremost oncologists, have been saying since the very beginning , if you shut down the entire nhs , you will see a backlog and nhs, you will see a backlog and these are lockdowns that the labour party voted for. Fact, labour party voted for. In fact, you wanted them sooner, harder and longer than the conservative party. So how can you and longer than the conservative party. So how can you blame and longer than the conservative party. So how can you blame the party. So how can you blame the tories for this giant backlog. Tories for this giant backlog. Yeah, im afraid. Martin that onoiwsis yeah, im afraid. Martin that analysis doesnt yeah, im afraid. Martin that analysis doesnt quite stack up. Wnok analysis doesnt quite stack up. Wnok wwee analysis doesnt quite stack up. What weve highlighted today is knok. What weve highlighted today is that 420,000. What weve highlighted today is that 420,000 more people are woiking is that 420,000 more people are woiking on is that 420,000 more people are waiting or waiting is that 420,000 more people are waiting or waiting more than the two waiting or waiting more than the kwo weeks waiting or waiting more than the kwo weeks knew waiting or waiting more than the two weeks they should do to see a two weeks they should do to see o iookon two weeks they should do to see o iookon oiken two weeks they should do to see a doctor after their two weeks they should do to see a doctor after their gp has concerns that a doctor after their gp has concerns that they have cancer. Kno concerns that they have cancer. And we concerns that they have cancer. And we know concerns that they have cancer. And we know that concerns that they have cancer. And we know that every day is so onwoioi and we know that every day is so onwoioi in and we know that every day is so crucial in that and we know that every day is so crucial in that thats and we know that every day is so crucial in that thats 420,000 knon crucial in that thats 420,000 more than when crucial in that thats 420,000 more than when this government skonkeo more than when this government skonkeo in more than when this government started in 2010. More than when this government started in 2010. That number was signiiioonkiw started in 2010. That number was significantly elevated long keione significantly elevated long before covm. Significantly elevated long before covid. This backlog long pneookes before covid. This backlog long pneookes kne before covid. This backlog long predates the pandemic. The gowennnenk predates the pandemic. The government basically havent noke government basically havent nooe onw government basically havent nooe onw onio government basically havent made any major target on, on on cowo made any major target on, on on com sinoe made any major target on, on on covm since the made any major target on, on on covid since the first couple of weons covid since the first couple of weons knok covid since the first couple of weons knok knew covid since the first couple of years that they still of the knok years that they still of the no knew years that they still of the that they inherited from us as a pnewiows that they inherited from us as a previoUs Government. So you know this previoUs Government. So you know knis is previoUs Government. So you know knis is nok previoUs Government. So you know this is not something that is you this is not something that is you know, this is not something that is you know, oi this is not something that is you know, of course covid has imposed you know, of course covid has inpookeo oii you know, of course covid has impacted all elements british impacted all elements of british life, impacted all elements of british life, something life, but this is something that exiskeo life, but this is something that existed before life, but this is something that existed beforeis life, but this is something that existed before is happening existed before and is happening oiken existed before and is happening after because existed before and is happening after because we existed before and is happening after because we dont have the swiiioienk after because we dont have the sufficient workforce in place. Kno sufficient workforce in place. Wnone sufficient workforce in place. Wnome osk sufficient workforce in place. And me ask jeremy sufficient workforce in place. Andme ask jeremy hunt and dont ask me ask jeremy hunt knis and dont ask me ask jeremy hunt knis keoowse and dont ask me ask jeremy hunt this, becausehe and dont ask me ask jeremy hunt this, becausehe was and dont ask me ask jeremy hunt this, because he was chair this, because when he was chair of kne this, because when he was chair of kne keoikn this, because when he was chair of the Health Select committee, he of the Health Select committee, newikn of the Health Select committee, he with everything we he agreed with everything we weeknis he agreed with everything we werethis space. Were saying in this space. And now were saying in this space. And now,. Chancellor, now, as chancellor, of course, isioiiowing now, as chancellor, of course, isfollowingon. Is not following through on wok. Is not following through on wokknow is not following through on kkokknow. Is not following through on that. Know , this is not following through on that. Know , this not that. So, you know, this is not sonekning that. So, you know, this is noti something brushed something that can be brushed off something that can be brushed| off issue something that can be brushed. Off issue. Off merely as a pandemic issue. Kiex off merely as a pandemic issue. Kiex wonnis off merely as a pandemic issue. Alex norris shadow off merely as a pandemic issue. Alex norris shadow minister off merely as a pandemic issue. Alex norris shadow minister for levelling up, thank you very , levelling up, thank you very, very much for your company. On todays programme. Okay, plenty more come, including the more to come, including the latest the epsom derby latest from the epsom derby festival this is. Gb news. Welcome back. The time is 925. Lots to come on the programme, including the widening gap between electric vehicles and charging points. Between electric vehicles and charging points. And remember as charging points. 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Okay and next story now, the famous epsom f [joker and next story now, the famous epsom festival kicks now, the famous epsom festival kicks off now, the famous epsom festival kicks off today now, the famous epsom festival kicks off today , now, the famous epsom festival kicks off today , but the animal kicks off today, but the animal nignks kicks off today, but the animal nignks gnoop kicks off today, but the Animal Rights Group Animal Rising , who rights Group Animal Rising, who oisnwpkeo rights Group Animal Rising, who oisnnpkeo kne rights Group Animal Rising, who disrupted the grand national, if you neooii disrupted the grand national, if you reap, one disrupted the grand national, if you recall, are now planning to nokk you recall, are now planning to noio knis you recall, are now planning to hold this weekends derby as weii hold this weekends derby as weii. Hold this weekends derby as weii. Woik hold this weekends derby as well. Well, it hold this weekends derby as well. � fkiizg. F well. Well, it comes after the jockey club were granted a High Court Injunction in a bid to prevent protesters from disrupting the races and we can be joined now by our reporter paul hawkins, who is at the epsom downs racecourse. Top of the morning to you, epsom downs racecourse. Top of the morning to you, paul. I ff top of the morning to you, paul. So, iook, the morning to you, paul. So, iook, oo the morning to you, paul. So, iook, do we the morning to you, paul. So, paul, do we have the morning to you, paul. So, paul, do we have any idea what ekkenk paul, do we have any idea what ekkenk knese paul, do we have any idea what extent these protests are going to extent these protests are going ko go extent these protests are going ko go ko extent these protests are going ko go ko oni extent these protests are going to go to and what extent these protests are going to go to and what plans are in piooe to go to and what plans are in piooe ko to go to and what plans are in piooe ko skop to go to and what plans are in place to stop them . ise place to stop them . Yeah, knewne place to stop them . Yeah, theyre trying to plan for every eventuality here. Martin thats why the jockey club, which owns epsom racecourse, theyve put. Epsom racecourse, theyve put. Aside £150,000 towards enhanced security, not just to prevent people entering the course, which is different to aintree, where they hold the grand national. Theyre a lot more Access Points to this course than there are there. But also what theyre going to do if there is disruption an and what how they can mitigate that and quickly get it out of the way. So the derby tomorrow can take place. So theyre looking at all angles here. Theyre spending a lot of enhanced lot of money, a lot of enhanced security motty they have put up some extra fencing. But its difficult the difficult because were in the middle the epsom downs. There middle of the epsom downs. There are public rights of way are lots of public rights of way that through that make their way through and around is around the course. So it is difficult. And as Nevin Truesdale, the ceo jockey truesdale, the ceo of the jockey club, explains, taking club, explains, they are taking certain measures youd expect that any major sporting event there would be significant security in place and crowd control ultimately for peoples safety. And control ultimately for peoples safety. And the derby festival , safety. And the derby festival, oi safety. And the derby festival, oi kne safety. And the derby festival, one of the biggest and the derby festival, one of the biggest sporting ionononks one of the biggest sporting landmarks in one of the biggest sporting landmarks in the calendar, i knink landmarks in the calendar, i knink iks landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair to landmarks in the calendar, i think its fair to say, is no oiiienenk think its fair to say, is no different to think its fair to say, is no different to that. Of course, knis different to that. Of course, knis year different to that. Of course, this year were different to that. Of course, this year were facing the knneok this year were facing the knneok oi this year were facing the threat of illegal and disruptive pnokesks threat of illegal and disruptive pnokesks. Kno threat of illegal and disruptive protests. And lets be clear knok protests. And lets be clear knok knew protests. And lets be clear that they are protests. And lets be clear that they are illegal and we nove that they are illegal and we nowe pok that they are illegal and we nowe pwk in that they are illegal and we have put in extra security presence that have put in extra security presence that youd expect wonking presence that youd expect working with presence that youd expect working with surrey police, wonking working with surrey police, working with working with surrey police, working with our security ponknens working with our Security Partners, extra working with our Security Partners, extra fencing around the partners, extra fencing around kne sike partners, extra fencing around the site, which partners, extra fencing around the site, which is partners, extra fencing around the site, which is a huge shame keoowse the site, which is a huge shame keoowse ik the site, which is a huge shame keoowse ik is the site, which is a huge shame because it is going the site, which is a huge shame because it is going to impact kne because it is going to impact kne viewing because it is going to impact the viewing of because it is going to impact the viewing of some people who are the viewing of some people who okie the viewing of some people who okie ko the viewing of some people who are able to come the viewing of some people who are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You okie are able to come and watch. You okie ko are able to come and watch. You are able to come are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch. You are able to come and watch the penny are able to come and watch the pennyin are able to come and watch the derbyinmiddle. Are able to come and watch the derbyinmiddle ofi derby for free in the middle of the derby for free in the middle of kneono derby for free in the middle of the and accessibility to the downs and accessibility to kno the downs and accessibility to wok knee the downs and accessibility to that there, but. The downs and accessibility to that there, but it| that will still be there, but it wiii that will still be there, but it wiiiwiii that will still be there, but it willwill be will be there will be restrictions will be there will be restrictions in restrictions around that in kenns onei restrictions around that in terms are getting terms of how people are getting in. Terms of how people are getting in sonelknel in. And these are some of the sooniiioes in. And these are some of the sacrifices that in. And these are some of the sacrifices that weve had to noke kne sacrifices that weve had to noke kne wewl sacrifices that weve had to make the very clear sacrifices that weve had to makpresent the very clear sacrifices that weve had to makpresent thee very clear sacrifices that weve had to makpresent the legal clear and present and the legal knneoks and present and the legal threatsfacing. And present and the legal threatsfacing. And present and the legal. Threatsfacing. Threats that were facing. Veon. Threats that were facing. Veon. So threats that were facing. Yeah, so theyre threats that were facing. Yeah, so theyre wary, but prepared for any disruption similar to what they had at the grand national, where the start of the race was delayed by 14 minutes. And there were a significant number of arrests. Animal rights. On the other hand, they say that this sport is cruel. Thats why theyre taking this sort of act. And theyre actually going to hold an lviv day for an alternate lviv epsom day for all theyre calling it with sac races and go cart races and kind of family crafts, taking place just outside the front of the race day tomorrow when it is the derby. But in terms of today, the big races, the oaks and theyll be looking out for any sort of disruption that may take place as well. Okay. Paul place as well. Okay. Paul iowkins place as well. Okay. Paul hawkins, thank f okay. Paul hawkins, thank you for that wpooke hawkins, thank you for that wpookekne hawkins, thank you for that update the epsom update from the epsom racecourse, update from the epsom racecourse, place i know very racecourse, a place i know very wew. Racecourse, a place i know very weiilgok racecourse, a place i know very well. Got l massive, well. Its got a massive, massive perimeter very, massive perimeter for me. Very, wew knok massive perimeter for me. Very, wew knok piooel very hard to keep that place secure. Thanks very hard to keep that place secure. Thanks for joining very hard to keep that place secure. Thanks forjoining us, iook secure. Thanks forjoining us, iook. Secure. Thanks forjoining us, iook. Woik secure. Thanks forjoining us, paul. Well,joined. Secure. Thanks forjoining us, paul. � fkiizg. ci secure. Thanks forjoining us, paul. Well,joined in the paul. Well, were joined in the studio sports broadcaster studio now by sports broadcaster aidan mcgee. Good morning to you, aidan. You are back. I am, yes. Im not you, aidan. You are back. I am, yes. Im not going you, aidan. You are back. I am, yes. Im not going to you, aidan. You are back. I am, yes. Im not going to be i ew 4 3. Eki; f i am, yes. Im not going to be back. Yes. Im not going to be back. Kno yes. Im not going to be back. And you yes. Im not going to be back. And wowlwos yes. Im not going to be back. One wowlwos i yes. Im not going to be back. And yoquas i was yes. Im not going to be back. And you was i was was on the and you i was i was i was on the oenknoi and you i was i was i was on the oenknoioii and you i was i was i was on the centralallway central line all the way back. Or, central line all the way back. On. Woke central line all the way back. Oh, were. Youre central line all the way back. Oh, wereyoure back. I oh, were glad youre back. Well, the jockey club has admitted that they are nervous about as martin just about this. And as martin just said, large perimeter. Said, a very large perimeter. This is going to be very difficult to manage. Well, it is. Its difficult to manage. Well, it is. Itslracetrack,l difficult to manage. Well, it| is. Itslracetrack, so is. I mean, its a racetrack, so is is. I mean, its a racetrack, so itsdifficult is. I mean, its a racetrack, sol itsdifficult anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it difficult anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has difficult anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has to difficult anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has to be fficult anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has to be some anyway. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has to be some longiay. Is. I mean, its a racetrack, so its it has to be some long term but it has to be some long term pionning but it has to be some long term pionning on but it has to be some long term pionning onos but it has to be some long term planning on as well. Do we planning on this as well. Do we wonk planning on this as well. Do we wonk eoew planning on this as well. Do we want every time planning on this as well. Do we want every time we to major want every time we go to a major neeking want every time we go to a major race meeting, whether it be sooowooo, race meeting, whether it be goodwood, the race meeting, whether it be goodwood, the national, goodwood, epsom, the national, the goodwood, epsom, the national, knewnokewen goodwood, epsom, the national, the whatever , goodwood, epsom, the national, thewhatever , do goodwood, epsom, the national, the whatever , do we want the oaks, whatever, do we want to the oaks, whatever, do we want ko ke the oaks, whatever, do we want ko ke koiking the oaks, whatever, do we want to be talking about this every kine to be talking about this every time because to be talking about this every time because havent time because we havent oisowsseo time because we havent. Discussed yet. 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This is the skonwkninkkoi story now, i think back to iookkoii football violence back in the ses football violence back in the 80s oni football violence back in the 80s on 90s football violence back in the 80s and 90s and football violence back in the 80s and 90s and even the 70s, wnicn 80s and 90s and even the 70s, wnen owl which was the scourge of our gone, which was the scourge of our gone oiseosel which was the scourge of ourj game, disease, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled disease, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled one disease, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled one of disease, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled one of the ease, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled one of the one, it which was the scourge of our gamcalled one of the one of the was called one of the one of the iookons was called one of the one of the iookons knok was called one of the one of the factors that saw was called one of the one of the factors that saw it was called one of the one of the factors that saw it removed from the factors that saw it removed from kne gone factors that saw it removed from kne gone os factors that saw it removed from the game was was factors that saw it removed from the game was was that the media skonweo the game was was that the media skonweo oi the game was was that the media starved of publicity the game was was that the media starved of publicity. People starved of publicity. People goineo starved of publicity. People gained notoriety from causing knowkie gained notoriety from causing knowkie ok gained notoriety from causing trouble at certain grounds. Yes knew trouble at certain grounds. Yes knew noo trouble at certain grounds. Yes knew noo knew trouble at certain grounds. Yes they had they had covers. They noo they had they had covers. They noo knew they had they had covers. They noo knew noo they had they had covers. They had they had balaclavas or masks or had they had balaclavas or masks on wnokewen. Had they had balaclavas or masks or whatever. But had they had balaclavas or masks or whatever. But they still wonkeo or whatever. But they still wonkeo kne or whatever. But they still wanted the notoriety of took wanted the notoriety of we took knis gnowno. Wanted the notoriety of we took this ground. Now. This end at this ground. Now okow this end at this ground. Now okow iks this end at this ground. Now okow iks nok this end at this ground. Now okay, its not exactly the same kning okay, its not exactly the same kninglkenns okay, its not exactly the same thing. Terms of okay, its not exactly the same thing terms of intentions thing in terms of intentions keno thing in terms of intentions kenowe thing in terms of intentions here,we keep thing in terms of intentions here, we keep giving the here, but if we keep giving the oxygen here, but if we keep giving the oxygen pnpiioikw here, but if we keep giving the oxygen publicity to these organisations, oxygen publicity to these organisations, theyre going to keep organisations, theyre going to keep wiknowkl keep coming back. Without it, knew keep coming back. Without it, knewsonne keep coming back. Without it, knewsowiwe. Keep coming back. Without it, they survive. And so even keep coming back. Without it, thits survive. And so even keep coming back. Without it, thits surreptitiously and so even keep coming back. Without it, thits surreptitiously ,and so even keep coming back. Without it, thits surreptitiously , someoneen if its surreptitiously, someone needs if its surreptitiously, someone needs ko if its surreptitiously, someone needs ko gek if its surreptitiously, someone needs to get together and say, kook needs to get together and say, iookiweiiing needs to get together and say, look fuelling these look whats fuelling these pnokesksi look whats fuelling these protests . Happening look whats fuelling these protesand happening look whats fuelling these protesand again happening look whats fuelling these protesand again , happening look whats fuelling these protesand again , and happening look whats fuelling these protesand again , and these ning again and again, and these oninoi again and again, and thesei animal arent Animal Rights protests arent we Animal Rights protests arent new. We. Them Animal Rights protests arent new. We them 30 years ago in new. We saw them 30 years ago in the new. We saw them 30 years ago in kne pnone new. We saw them 30 years ago in the grand national. New. We saw them 30 years ago in the grand national. So youve got the grand national. So youve gok ko the grand national. So youve gok ko kenn the grand national. So youve got to turn the the grand national. So youve got to turn the cameras away inon knewne from them. Otherwise theyre iwsk just going to keep coming back. But another thing that ended football violence was the coppers clamped on coppers actually clamped down on it. With mob it. Whereas we see with this mob , theyre more less getting , theyre more or less getting a cup pat on the cup of tea and a pat on the head. Yeah, i know. I dont know. Head. Yeah, i know. I dont know. In head. Yeah, i know. I dont know. Im not head. Yeah, i know. I dont know. Im not sure yeah, i know. I dont know. Im not sure i agree with wok. Know. Im not sure i agree with wokpoise know. Im not sure i agree with that. Police,police that. 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But thats needs happen long shot on them all the time. But thatsotherwise,s happen long shot on them all the time. But thats otherwise, we happen long shot on them all the time. But thats otherwise, we canipen long shot on them all the time. But thats otherwise, we can just long term. Otherwise, we can just keep term. Otherwise, we can just. Keep addressing keep talking about addressing this keep talking about addressing knis issue keep talking about addressing this issue again, keep talking about addressing this issue again, again and ogoin wonkl again. And we dont want that. Ioin again. And we dont want that. Inneooi again. And we dont want that. Fairgood breaking again. And we dont want that. Fairgood breaking news. Fair point. Good breaking news in past minutes or so. Fair point. Good breaking news in allardyce minutes or so. Fair point. Good breaking news in allardyce hasites or so. Fair point. Good breaking news in allardyce has left or so. Fair point. Good breaking news in allardyce has left leeds. Sam allardyce has left leeds. Veon Sam Allardyce has left leeds. Keonl Sam Allardyce has left leeds. Keonlwos Sam Allardyce has left leeds. L yeah,. Washiding yeah, look, he was on a hiding to yeah, look, he was on a hiding ko nokking yeah, look, he was on a hiding to nothing,way. Yeah, l00k, he was on a hiding to nothing, way. A to nothing, in a way. I mean, wen. To nothing, in a way. I mean, wewkink to nothing, in a way. I mean, well, that he, he got about well, say that he, he got about 500 grand doing for coming 500 grand for doing for coming in fixtures. Never in at four fixtures. I never believed. A big believed. I mean im a big friend used friend of Sam Allardyce. He used to column the news to write his column at the news world. Time. World. Known him a long time. Im great in his im a great believer in his ability as manager. But they ability as a manager. But they played Manchester City played they had Manchester City away, they had newcastle at home. Tottenham away, they had newcastle at ho home. Tottenham away, they had newcastle at ho home. They tottenham away, they had newcastle at ho home. They took tottenham away, they had newcastle at ho home. They took point ham at home. They took one point from dont from those 12 games. I dont really people really think many people expected to pull expected him to be able to pull that it looked like a side that off. It looked like a side that off. It looked like a side that been with that had been packed with championship players at the start the season. There start of the season. There was talk next talk that hed stay to next season. That would be a season. I think that would be a good that would have been a good move for him. I think he could have united out of the have got leeds united out of the championship. But yeah, they parted ways for now 125 grand a game for four games. Not bad, is it . I game for four games. Not bad, is it . I big game for four games. Not bad, is no inigwowio game for four games. Not bad, is it . Ibigwould get. It . I suspect big sam would get a it . I suspect big sam would get opinks it . I suspect big sam would get opinks oi it . I suspect big sam would get apints of wine it . I suspect big sam would get apints of wine out it . I suspect big sam would get a pints of wine out of a lot of pints of wine out of knok a lot of pints of wine out ofj that another that one. Weve got another iookkoii that one. Weve got another footballtheres that one. Weve got another football theres some football story. Theres some serious argy bargy at an oinponk. Serious argy bargy at an airport. British referee anthony iowion airport. British referee anthony iowion kw airport. British referee anthony iowion kw ions airport. British referee Anthony Taylor by fans disgraceful scene. So the taylor by fans disgraceful scene. D scene. So the Europa League final was two nights ago in budapest a severe won on penalties against Jose Mourinhos roma. Now he was mourinhos roma. Now he was incensed that roma werent given a penalty in the during the match we can see pictures here for the benefit of our radio listeners of Anthony Taylor being ushered through budapest airport. Mourinho was airport. Now Jose Mourinho was incensed. Took to the incensed. He then took to the car park under in bowels of car park under in the bowels of the stadium and started attacking Anthony Taylor. Not not physically, not not physically, but verbally, calling him a disgrace. Legitimised disgrace. And that legitimised clearly the rights as roma fans saw it to go and attack Anthony Taylor at the airport. And its just unacceptable. All jose just unacceptable. All Jose Mourinho is a man in his early 60s. Should know better. Hes 60s. He should know better. Hes been the been around the game for the best years. He should best part of 30 years. He should not like that not be behaving like that because something chair because something we saw a chair thrown there. Yeah. How long before someone gets hurt . Im actually surprised it hasnt happened before. The pgmol who administer in this administer the officials in this country in the premier league have condemned the actions, but its remit to issue its not in their remit to issue punishment. I think uefa punishment. But i think uefa will hit Jose Mourinho and hopefully roma with some sanctions. Also footage sanctions. Also on that footage , aiken sanctions. Also on that footage , aiken knok sanctions. Also on that footage , aiden, thatanthony , aiden, that was anthony iowions , aiden, that was Anthony Taylors misses , aiden, that was Anthony Taylors misses getting shoved in kne taylors misses getting shoved in kne rag, taylors misses getting shoved in the back, pushed across the for in the back, pushed across the ion iose in the back, pushed across the for face anyone in the back, pushed across the for face anyone that thought snowing for face anyone that thought snowing o for face anyone that thought shoving a woman around like that oesenwes shoving a woman around like that oesenwes ko shoving a woman around like that deserves to have shoving a woman around like that deserves to have the book thrown at deserves to have the book thrown okii deserves to have the book thrown okii wowninno deserves to have the book thrown atif mourinho is at him. And if mourinho is noenions at him. And if mourinho is riven,fans up at him. And if mourinho is riven, fans up and riven, these fans up and send knen riven, these fans up and send knen inko riven, these fans up and send them into action riven, these fans up and send them into action this, like riven, these fans up and send thertrump. Ction this, like riven, these fans up and send thertrump. Capitol this, like riven, these fans up and send thertrump. Capitol thiyeah. Like trump. Capitol hill. Yeah. Wowinno like trump. Capitol hill. Yeah. Mourinho has like trump. Capitol hill. Yeah. Mourinho has got to get a severe siop mourinho has got to get a severe siop on mourinho has got to get a severe siop on kne mourinho has got to get a severe slap on the wrist mourinho has got to get a severe slap on the wrist for this sinew, slap on the wrist for this surely, mate. Slap on the wrist for this surely, mate. It; surely, mate. He has. I mean, and hes hes and also hes looking hes looking at getting the psg job this think , you this summer. And i think, you know, owners of certain know, certain owners of certain clubs with certain clubs want managers with certain reputations harm his reputations and it may harm his his prospects going there. You never he deserves to never know. He he deserves to not decent job after not get a decent job after behaving because if behaving like that because if you start if youre manager behaving like that because if you youre youre manager behaving like that because if you youre as ure manager behaving like that because if you youre as famousianager behaving like that because if you youre as famousian heer behaving like that because if you youre as famousian he is and youre as famous as he is and youre as famous as he is and yourself like and you conduct yourself like that violence towards and you conduct yourself like tireferee, violence towards and you conduct yourself like tireferee, thatsiolence towards and you conduct yourself like tireferee, thats absolutely iards a referee, thats absolutely unacceptable. I think hell apologise. We kind of has to. But you say, well but hopefully, as you say, well get thrown in. Now , the get the book thrown in. Now, the fa final, of get the book thrown in. Now, the fafinal, of course, get the book thrown in. Now, the fafinal, of course, is fa cup final, of course, isi tomorrow. Is fa cup final, of course, is tomorrow. Is how tomorrow. The big story is how the tomorrow. The big story is how kne kiowing tomorrow. The big story is how the blowing out tomorrow. The big story is how the blowing out of the fans are going the blowing out of the fans are going ko the blowing out of the fans are going ko even the blowing out of the fans are going to even get the blowing out of the fans are going to even get to it with knese going to even get to it with knese knoin going to even get to it with these train strikes. Yeah, more wnoks these train strikes. Yeah, more wnoks going these train strikes. Yeah, more wnoks going on these train strikes. Yeah, more whats going on, more train sknikes. Whats going on, more train strikes. Imean, whats going on, more train strikes. Imean,mentioned strikes. I mean, you mentioned earlier that strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke that strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke to that strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke to a that strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke to a cabbie that strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke to a cabbie andit strikes. I mean, you mentioned earl spoke to a cabbie and they you spoke to a cabbie and they suggested nato might you spoke to a cabbie and they suggesthe nato might you spoke to a cabbie and they suggesthe city nato might you spoke to a cabbie and they suggesthe city might nato might you spoke to a cabbie and they suggesthe city might nataroundt you spoke to a cabbie and they sug problemty might nataroundt you spoke to a cabbie and they sug problem bynight nataroundt you spoke to a cabbie and they sug problem by coming ataroundt the problem by coming down to trafalgar today so they Trafalgar Square today so they can trains. The can make use of the trains. The supporters actually been to supporters have actually been to told take different routes down the who told take different routes down the support. Who told take different routes down the support. United who they support. So united fans have take the m4 or have been told to take the m4 or the m6 m42 m40 down to the west of london, coming in through the on that road to the a4 down towards wembley and the city fans who are entering by the north theyve north of the stadium, theyve been the m6 and then been told to go the m6 and then the m1. So, you know, the united the m1. So, you know, the united fans have been told to go. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, e been told to go. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, i been told to go. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, i mighttold to go. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, i might haveo go. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, i might have the. It the m1. So, you know, the united fans no, i might have the wrong sit . No, i might have the wrong way round. Anyway, set of way round. Anyway, one set of supporters to supporters have been told to go m6 theyve had m6 and m1. Theyve also had designated service stations as well aggro. Well to ease up on the aggro. Is a danger in that is it not a danger in that knowgni is it not a danger in that though . Because if you know wnene though . Because if you know wnenelnok though . Because if you know wherelmoblfans though . Because if you know where mob fans are going to though . Because if you know wheyou mob fans are going to though . Because if you know wheyou canb fans are going to though . Because if you know wheyou can go fans are going to though . Because if you know wheyou can go there are going to though . Because if you know wheyou can go there and going to though . Because if you know wheyou can go there and target o be, you can go there and target knen. Be, you can go there and target knen. I be, you can go there and target them. L think. Be, you can go there and target. Them. I think would them. You can. But i think would be experience, its been be in my experience, its been policed seen two policed. Ive seen these two play policed. Ive seen these two play was play at wembley before. That was in semi final. Play at wembley before. That was in semi final. But in 2011 fa cup semi final. But that wasnt that wasnt a day of train have say. Train strikes, i have to say. But there there are but there are there are flashpoints over the flashpoints all over the country. You look at country. I mean, if you look at the of the season when the the start of the season when the premier laid premier League Fixtures are laid out, plan about out, they have to plan about when when ham are when around when west ham are going to millwall, going to meet millwall, a certain interchange and certain train interchange and say, crewe or Something Like that. Nightmare. That. Its a real nightmare. Thats sometimes get thats why you sometimes get quirky in the the quirky anomalies in the in the fixture you to fixture list because you have to make allowances that of make allowances for that kind of thing. Police thing. And thats with Police Intelligence as well. So i think they strategized it , i they have strategized it, but i think a lot supporters will think a lot of supporters will get the problem by coming get round the problem by coming down tonight. As you say, the funny even funny thing is were not even talking game. Whos talking about the game. Whos the tip this man the favourites to tip this man cikw won the favourites to tip this manj cikw won cikw the favourites to tip this man cityclear man city the favourites to tip this man cityclear favourites, man city the favourites to tip this man cityclear favourites, buti city the favourites to tip this man cityclear favourites, but united are clear favourites, but united are clear favourites, but united oneknei are clear favourites, but united aretheir legacy are protecting their legacy nene. Are protecting their legacy nene. Only are protecting their legacy here. Only one are protecting their legacy here. It. Here. Only one club in this country has done the treble unhed country has done the treble united this united have got form not this team, 1977 they stopped team, but in 1977 they stopped liverpool treble at liverpool winning the treble at wembley. Liverpool won the european wembley. Liverpool won the europea as the league title as well as the league title in 1977, born. They 1977, the year i was born. They they they thwarted they couldnt. They thwarted liverpool wembley. So its liverpool at wembley. So its only united have done that. Only united who have done that. And old and its not just any old team theyre stopping. Bad theyre stopping. Its bad enough 77. Enough stopping liverpool in 77. Theyre another theyre also stopping another rival legacy rival this year theyre legacy is on the line here. They have to preserve that that that cherished that they had cherished moment that they had in they won treble in time. And they won the treble back they can do it. Back in 1999. They can do it. Theyve got a incentive. Theyve got a huge incentive. But look, city got a huge incentive as they can win incentive as well. They can win the this will the the treble. And this will be the second the the second part of the of the triumvirate accomplished if they can can can do it tomorrow superb can we have the tennis have a word on the tennis without doubt cam yeah. Without doubt cam norrie yeah. I saw play in saw cam norrie play in eastbourne in 2019. He didnt look much of a world beater about them, but somebody a little like tim henman. Hes little bit like tim henman. Hes a late bloomer. Little bit like tim henman. Hes a is late bloomer. Little bit like tim henman. Hes a is progressing te bloomer. Little bit like tim henman. Hes a is progressing welloomer. Little bit like tim henman. Hes a is progressing well between he is progressing well between wimbledons as a british wimbledons now as a british tennis we look how tennis fan, we often look at how our competitors or how our players perform at wimbledon, but hes been well but hes been doing well elsewhere. Hes a very accomplished player accomplished clay court player player, very difficult do player, very difficult to do when been when when youve been when youre a british player, he british player, although he has been raised in other territories. He has territories. You know, he has south african and canadian links as well. He faces lorenzo as well. But he faces Lorenzo Musetti , the today in musetti, the italian today in the french open, third round. He could face, it looks if he gets through that and dont want through that and you dont want to ahead, but he to look too far ahead, but he could the favourite carlos could face the favourite carlos alcaraz, somebody could face the favourite carlos alca could somebody could face the favourite carlos alca could take somebody could face the favourite carlos alca could take over somebody could face the favourite carlos alca could take over from � nebody could face the favourite carlos alca could take over from novak who could take over from Novak Djokovic in the short medium djokovic in the short to medium term. Hes hes ive term. So, look, hes hes ive got a lot of belief in him. I think he can do he can do something here. And but well find today, 3 00 and roland find out today, 3 00 and Roland Garros for garros, how is he looking for wimbledon . I think look , he got wimbledon . I think look, he got to the semi finals last year. I think it was. I mean, that was outstanding achievement. I mean, we look back say we dont we we look back at say we dont we dont at what player does dont look at what a player does between theres a lot of tennis is between the is played between the two wimbledons. No wimbledons. Look theres no reason he cant get to the semi finals but again, reason he cant get to the semigoing but again, reason he cant get to the semigoing see but again, reason he cant get to the semigoing see peoplerin, reason he cant get to the semigoing see people like were going to see people like alcaraz again, alcaraz going well again, djokovic there as well. Djokovic will be there as well. Nadal even there, nadal might even be there, although hinted it could be although hes hinted it could be his year. Give the his last year. He might give the grass a miss. Well Grass Court Season a miss. Well see. And say, youve got see. And may i say, youve got wow spik see. And may i say, youve got wown swik on see. And may i say, youve gotj your suit on there. Your fa cup final suit on there. Ionoes your fa cup final suit on there. Ionoesoi your fa cup final suit on there. Echoesof the your fa cup final suit on there. Echoes of the spice boys echoes echoes of the spice boys isse. Echoes echoes of the spice boys isse. Inoeeo. Echoes echoes of the spice boys 1996. Indeed. Yeah echoes echoes of the spice boys 1996. ise ise 1996. Indeed. Yeah yeah. Ive actually got the sunglasses to match, yeah. Was match, actually. Yeah. That was a it . A terrible final, wasnt it . Remember eric remember that it was eric cantona. The suits were cantona. But the suits were great. Exactly. Great. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Thanks alive, oh, thanks legacy alive, aiden. Oh, woik thanks legacy alive, aiden. Oh, well, yeah, worry. Thats well, yeah, dont worry. Thats what i do. Aidan magee always a pieoswne what i do. Aidan magee always a pieoswnewow what i do. Aidan magee always a pieoswnewow. What i do. Aidan magee always a pleasure. You. Stay what i do. Aidan magee always a pleasure. You. Stay withl pleasure. Thank you. Stay with us. Weve got lots more to come, including electric cars and not enough points. Including electric cars and not enough points. This is enough charging points. This is gb news. Welcome gb news. Iwelcome back. On news. I welcome back. Happy on news. Welcome back. Happy friday. Welcome back. Happy friday. Its welcome back. Happy friday. Is 941. Welcome back. Happy friday. Its 941. Youre welcome back. Happy friday. Its 941. Youre watching and iiskening its 941. Youre watching and iiskening ko its 941. Youre watching and listening to breakfast with wonkin listening to breakfast with wonkin oni listening to breakfast with martin and ellie. Now the gap kekween martin and ellie. Now the gap kekween kne martin and ellie. Now the gap between the number of electric wenioies between the number of electric wenioies oni between the number of electric vehicles and public charging poinks vehicles and public charging points widened vehicles and public charging points widened in all but one negion points widened in all but one negion iosk points widened in all but one region last year. Points widened in all but one region last year. ewi region last year. Yeah, and this comes as electric car drivers face long queues at charging stations over this weekend. Well, lets speak now to nonoging well, lets speak now to managing director at morad iokkos managing director at morad tahbaz, fraser managing director at morad tahbaz, fraser brown, who is nene tahbaz, fraser brown, who is nene ko tahbaz, fraser brown, who is nene ko keii tahbaz, fraser brown, who is here to tell us tahbaz, fraser brown, who is here to tell us more about some of here to tell us more about some oi kne here to tell us more about some oi kne isses here to tell us more about some of the issues affecting electric keoiiw of the issues affecting electric cars. Really good of the issues affecting electric cars. Really good to of the issues affecting electric cars. D cars. Really good to see you this morning, fraser. Thank you for joining us. There is this forjoining us. There is this push, isnt there , for us all to push, isnt there, for us all to buy electric vehicles, but quite frankly , the infrastructure just frankly, the infrastructure just isnt there yet, is it . I mean, the latest figures suggest that there is one public charge over to every 36 electric cars. Is. To every 36 electric cars. Is. Youre absolutely right. The biggest challenge youre absolutely right. The biggest challenge that v izzi. it;. Izi;. i kg the biggest challenge that we have for biggest challenge that we have ion nokken biggest challenge that we have for battery vehicle adoption in the for battery vehicle adoption in kne wk for battery vehicle adoption in kne wk is for battery vehicle adoption in kne wk is kne for battery vehicle adoption in the uk is the charging infrastructure in certain negions infrastructure in certain negions. So infrastructure in certain regions. So for example, the nonkn wesk regions. So for example, the north west of regions. So for example, the north west of england , for every north west of england, for every nokken north west of england, for every new battery electric vehicle negiskeneo new battery electric vehicle negiskeneo. New battery electric vehicle registered , there was only 300 registered, there was only 300 for registered, there was only 300 ion eoew registered, there was only 300 ion eoew soo registered, there was only 300 for every 300 battery electric wenioies for every 300 battery electric vehicles registered. There was onw vehicles registered. There was oniw one vehicles registered. There was only one charging point installed only one charging point installed. Only one charging point installed. And so, you know, installed. And so, you know, knene installed. And so, you know, knene one installed. And so, you know, there are certain installed. And so, you know, there are certain parts of the uk there are certain parts of the wk wnene there are certain parts of the uk where its there are certain parts of the uk where its a there are certain parts of the uk where its a bit of a desert for uk where its a bit of a desert ion ononging uk where its a bit of a desert for charging infrastructure. And i for charging infrastructure. And i guess for charging infrastructure. And i guess ii for charging infrastructure. And i guess ii wowwe for charging infrastructure. And i guess if youve got an eieoknio i guess if youve got an electric vehicle, as i have , electric vehicle, as i have, knew electric vehicle, as i have, knew one electric vehicle, as i have, knew kne electric vehicle, as i have, they are the future. I would go they are the future. I would never go back they are the future. I would never go back to an internal ooniwskion never go back to an internal Combustion Engine, but i have the Combustion Engine, but i have kne luxury Combustion Engine, but i have kne luxury oi Combustion Engine, but i have the luxury of having a domestic onongen the luxury of having a domestic onongen so the luxury of having a domestic onongen so i the luxury of having a domestic charger so i can the luxury of having a domestic charger so i can get my electric wokkw charger so i can get my electric wokkw owennignk charger so i can get my electric motty overnight from 7. 5 pence per motty overnight from 7. 5 pence pen kiiowokk motty overnight from 7. 5 pence per kilowatt so motty overnight from 7. 5 pence per kilowatt so i motty overnight from 7. 5 pence per kilowatt so i can fill a car up per kilowatt so i can fill a car wpnos per kilowatt so i can fill a car wpnos soo per kilowatt so i can fill a car uphas 300 mile per kilowatt so i can fill a car up has 300 mile range just up that has 300 mile range just wnoen up that has 300 mile range just wnoen. Up that has 300 mile range just wnoen. Ion up that has 300 mile range just under. For £7. 50 up that has 300 mile range just under. For £7. 50 with octopus enengw. Under. For £7. 50 with octopus enengw. So under. For £7. 50 with octopus enengw. So. Under. For £7. 50 with octopus energy. So i have, under. For £7. 50 with octopus energy. So i have, you know, neoi energy. So i have, you know, neoi kink energy. So i have, you know, real kind of energy. So i have, you know, real kind of desire to talk oiook real kind of desire to talk about electric real kind of desire to talk about electric vehicles with peopie about electric vehicles with peopie. About electric vehicles with peopie. Kno about electric vehicles with people. And the big hole is for people. And the big hole is for knose people. And the big hole is for knose peopie people. And the big hole is for those people that people. And the big hole is for those people that perhaps live in o those people that perhaps live in o iiok those people that perhaps live in a flat dont those people that perhaps live in a flat dont have access to a ooneskio in a flat dont have access to a domestic charger in a flat dont have access to a domestic charger because my 77. Ionis domestic charger because my 77. Oops pen domestic charger because my 77. £0. 05 per kilowatt domestic charger because my 77. £0. 05 per kilowatt overnight ononging £0. 05 per kilowatt overnight ononging noke £0. 05 per kilowatt overnight charging rate is £0. 05 per kilowatt overnight charging rate is £0. 65 for many peopie charging rate is £0. 65 for many peopie wno charging rate is £0. 65 for many people who have charging rate is £0. 65 for many people who have to go to public ononging people who have to go to public ononging poinks people who have to go to public charging points. So not having enowgn charging points. So not having enongn ononging charging points. So not having enough charging points. Yes, may cause cuz i have enough charging points. Yes, may cause cuz i have to enough charging points. Yes, may cause cuz i have to say ive onw cause cuz i have to say ive oniw een cause cuz i have to say ive only ever queued cause cuz i have to say ive only ever queued once in the weons only ever queued once in the weons knok only ever queued once in the years that ive only ever queued once in the years that ive owned an eieoknio years that ive owned an electricbut years that ive owned an electric but the electric vehicle. But the piggesk electric vehicle. But the Biggest Issue electric vehicle. But the Biggest Issue is there isnt enowgn Biggest Issue is there isnt enough competition between the eieoknio enough competition between the electric charging enough competition between the electric charging points so they oinosk electric charging points so they can almost charge electric charging points so they can almost charge what like can almost charge what they like. Isnk can almost charge what they like. Isnk kne. At this point there isnt the oonpekikion. At this point there isnt the competition that. At this point there isnt the competition that you have say kekween competition that you have say between petrol competition that you have say between petrol stations, so it becomes between petrol stations, so it becomes a real between petrol stations, so it becomes a real negative if you do becomes a real negative if you no nove becomes a real negative if you no nowe ko becomes a real negative if you no nowe to, wow becomes a real negative if you do have to, you know, one day in ten do have to, you know, one day in ken ookwoiiw do have to, you know, one day in ten actually charge do have to, you know, one day in ten actually charge at a public ononging ten actually charge at a public ononging poink ten actually charge at a public charging point because most peopie charging point because most peopie oonk charging point because most people dont use more than 300 mikes people dont use more than 300 nniies wnicn people dont use more than 300 miles, which is people dont use more than 300 miles, which is kind of the oenoeg miles, which is kind of the average range miles, which is kind of the average range were seeing for the average range were seeing for kne nw average range were seeing for the new electric average range were seeing for the new electric vehicles at the nnonnenk the new electric vehicles at the nnonnenk kiosk the new electric vehicles at the moment. Most people wont do nonesoo moment. Most people wont do more300 miles moment. Most people wont do more300 miles in moment. Most people wont do more 300 miles in a day. So more than 300 miles in a day. So it more than 300 miles in a day. So ikwse more than 300 miles in a day. So ikwse o more than 300 miles in a day. So ikwse o kink more than 300 miles in a day. So ituse a kind of more than 300 miles in a day. So ituse a kind of a more than 300 miles in a day. So it use a kind of a public it wont use a kind of a public ononging it wont use a kind of a public ononging poink it wont use a kind of a public charging point on it wont use a kind of a public charging point on a regular kosis charging point on a regular kosis. Nok charging point on a regular basis. But if charging point on a regular basis. But if you dont have a ooneskio basis. But if you dont have a domestic charger, basis. But if you dont have a domestic charger, youre at a nwge domestic charger, youre at a huge disadvantage. And if you iook huge disadvantage. And if you iook ok huge disadvantage. And if you look at places huge disadvantage. And if you look at places like london where peopie look at places like london where more people live look at places like london where more people live in look at places like london where more people live in low ioookions more people live in low locations, where theyre ooneskio locations, where theyre domestic dwelling is detached inon domestic dwelling is detached inon kne domestic dwelling is detached from the location domestic dwelling is detached from the location of where they ponk from the location of where they ponk knein from the location of where they ponk knein so from the location of where they park their car at from the location of where they park their car at night, that is a park their car at night, that is o neoi park their car at night, that is a real challenge park their car at night, that is a real challenge for some people. Kno a real challenge for some people. Kno insen a real challenge for some people. And fraser, another a real challenge for some people. And fraser, another dramatic reverse ferret as sure as night follows day yesterday because of course, you know, until now. Oh, course, you know, until now. Oh, you can you can be tax free in electric car suddenly £0. 06 a mile to drive an electric vehicle because guess what . The government is losing loads of tax so they tempt you in with the carrot of free tax and woof you get hit with the stick. Six per mile. Is there any wonder inquiries into electric vehicles are 65 down year on year. So its a real shame. This m 3 03w so its a real shame. This this gowennnenk its a real shame. This this government used to be very pro eiesknis government used to be very pro electric vehicle government used to be very pro electric vehicle adoption and the electric vehicle adoption and kne sosiekw electric vehicle adoption and the society of electric vehicle adoption and the society of Motor Manufacturers and traders have keen manufacturers and traders have been soiiing manufacturers and traders have been calling the manufacturers and traders have been calling the government nesenkiw been calling the government nesenkiw ko been calling the government recently to not been calling the government recently to not only invest more in kne recently to not only invest more in the electric recently to not only invest more in the electric Vehicle Infrastructure and charging poinks infrastructure and charging poinks pok infrastructure and charging points, but also to consider wnok points, but also to consider what incentives points, but also to consider what incentives can be put in piose what incentives can be put in piose ion what incentives can be put in place for people what incentives can be put in place for people to be buying new electric place for people to be buying new electric vehicles. Now, nees new electric vehicles. Now, nees o new electric vehicles. Now, heres a little new electric vehicles. Now, heres a little tip for people. If heres a little tip for people. I won heres a little tip for people. Ii won one heres a little tip for people. If you are considering buying an eiesknis if you are considering buying an electric vehicle if you are considering buying an electric vehicle , if you are considering buying an electric vehicle , now is the electric vehicle, now is the kine electric vehicle, now is the kine oseo electric vehicle, now is the time used vehicles are now as sneop time used vehicles are now as sneop os time used vehicles are now as sneop os knewne time used vehicles are now as cheap as theyre ever going to be in cheap as theyre ever going to be in kne cheap as theyre ever going to be in the electric cheap as theyre ever going to be in the electric world. You oskwoiiw be in the electric world. You can actually buy be in the electric world. You can actually buy an electric venisie can actually buy an electric venisie ion can actually buy an electric vehicle for a can actually buy an electric vehicle for a very similar price or even lower than vehicle for a very similar price or even lower than its petrol egoiwoienk or even lower than its petrol equivalent. So or even lower than its petrol equivalent. So i or even lower than its petrol equivalent. So i would strongly encourage people equivalent. So i would strongly encourage people , anybody whos encourage people, anybody whos kninking encourage people, anybody whos kninking oiook encourage people, anybody whos thinking about buying an eiesknis thinking about buying an electric vehicle and would sonsioen electric vehicle and would sonsioen o electric vehicle and would consider a used electric vehicle and would consider a used one now is an onozing consider a used one now is an onozing kine consider a used one now is an onozing kine ko consider a used one now is an amazing time to be going out and owing amazing time to be going out and buying o amazing time to be going out and buying o ossi amazing time to be going out and buying a used battery electric weiisie buying a used battery electric venisie. So buying a used battery electric vehicle. So yeah, buying a used battery electric vehicle. So yeah, i would say knene vehicle. So yeah, i would say knene one vehicle. So yeah, i would say there are some vehicle. So yeah, i would say there are some real opportunities with every problem. Inene opportunities with every problem. Inene one opportunities with every problem. There are opportunities and kne. There are opportunities and kne piggesk. There are opportunities and the biggest opportunity right is the biggest opportunity right is , wow the biggest opportunity right now is , you know, is buying a now is, you know, is buying a ossi now is, you know, is buying a used electric now is, you know, is buying a used electric vehicle. Its knewne used electric vehicle. Its theyre incredible value for money theyre incredible value for money nignk theyre incredible value for money right now. Okay. Fraser, we money right now. Okay. Fraser, we koik money right now. Okay. Fraser, we koik o money right now. Okay. Fraser, we koik o ok money right now. Okay. Fraser, we talk a lot about carrots and skisks we talk a lot about carrots and skisks ono we talk a lot about carrots and sticks and theres we talk a lot about carrots and sticks and theres an awful lot of sticks and theres an awful lot oi skisks sticks and theres an awful lot of sticks being sticks and theres an awful lot of sticks being beaten onto nokonisks. Of sticks being beaten onto motorists. Saw of sticks being beaten onto motorists. motorists. We saw yesterday glasgow launched its version of the ultra low emission zone, £60 fines, automatic fines for anybody driving into glasgow. It seems as an absolute war on petrol vehicle, diesel vehicles , but the government doesnt really seem to have a plan b, i mean as well as nowhere to plug them in. We have enough them in. We dont have enough power stations to power the network. Everybody got an network. If everybody got an electric car, this just electric car, isnt this just a case of eco zealotry getting ahead of reality . You know, its ahead of reality . You know, its going a bit nuts, to be honest with you. The next thing weve got with you. The next thing weve gok inon with you. The next thing weve gok inon kne the next thing weve got from the government coming up in got from the government coming up in o got from the government coming up in o soopie got from the government coming up in o soopie oi got from the government coming up in a couple of years time is going up in a couple of years time is goingpoking up in a couple of years time is going putting vehicle going to start putting vehicle excise electric going to start putting vehicle excise electric vehicles excise duty on electric vehicles , excise duty on electric vehicles i onlv excise duty on electric vehicles , only incentive. , which is the only incentive ieik , which is the only incentive ieik neoiiw , which is the only incentive left really to , which is the only incentive left really to take an left really to take on an eiesknis left really to take on an electric vehicle. Youve then got electric vehicle. Youve then gok kne electric vehicle. Youve then gok kne wiz electric vehicle. Youve then got the ulez zone, like youve nenkioneo got the ulez zone, like youve nenkioneo op got the ulez zone, like youve mentioned up in got the ulez zone, like youve mentioned up in north of the nonsen mentioned up in north of the konoen os mentioned up in north of the border as well. Mentioned up in north of the border as well. Theyre peginning border as well. Theyre beginning thing beginning on that same thing wnene beginning on that same thing wnene peopie beginning on that same thing where people are being beaten up sonsiskenkiw where people are being beaten up consistently for where people are being beaten up consistently for driving a non eiesknis consistently for driving a non electric vehicle. Consistently for driving a non electric vehicle. So yeah, its snoiienging electric vehicle. So yeah, its challenging at electric vehicle. So yeah, its challenging at the moment being a challenging at the moment being o nokonisk challenging at the moment being a motorist and challenging at the moment being a motorist and you challenging at the moment being a motorist and you know , theres a motorist and you know, theres a motorist and you know, theres o koionse a motorist and you know, theres a balance, isnt a motorist and you know, theres a balance, isnt there . I oskwoiiw a balance, isnt there . I actually dont a balance, isnt there . I actually dont believe where i iike actually dont believe where i iiwe in actually dont believe where i iiwe in in actually dont believe where i live in in rural actually dont believe where i live in in rural parts of ingiono live in in rural parts of ingiono vou live in in rural parts of england you can manage without a venisie england you can manage without a venisie. England you can manage without a venisie. Koo england you can manage without a vehicle. You know, england you can manage without a vehicle. You know, we absolutely vehicle. You know, we absolutely do. Vehicle. You know, we absolutely oo. We vehicle. You know, we absolutely no. We nove vehicle. You know, we absolutely do. We have one vehicle. You know, we absolutely do. We have one bus a week comes ko do. We have one bus a week comes ko senkoin do. We have one bus a week comes come to certain villages around keno come to certain villages around g. Ono come to certain villages around here, and thats come to certain villages around here, and thats called the demons here, and thats called the demand response bus. So youve demand response bus. So youve oskwoiiw demand response bus. So youve oskooiiw gok demand response bus. So youve oskooiiw gok ko demand response bus. So youve actually got to telephone to get it actually got to telephone to get ik ko actually got to telephone to get ik ko so actually got to telephone to get it to come along. Actually got to telephone to get it to come along. So you know, pwkiis it to come along. So you know, public transport, it to come along. So you know, public transport, which is what knew public transport, which is what knew sow public transport, which is what knew sow ko public transport, which is what they say to everybody, you know , isnk they say to everybody, you know , isnk on they say to everybody, you know , isnt an option they say to everybody, you know , isnt an option in they say to everybody, you know , isnt an option in many parts of , isnt an option in many parts oiunikeo , isnt an option in many parts of United Kingdom. So, you of the United Kingdom. So, you know of the United Kingdom. So, you know , of the United Kingdom. So, you know , we of the United Kingdom. So, you know , we are all of the United Kingdom. So, you know , we are all going to need know, we are all going to need pensonoi know, we are all going to need personal transportation. Onwiowsw personal transportation. Obviously electric vehicles are far obviously electric vehicles are ion none obviously electric vehicles are far more environmentally inienoiw far more environmentally inienoiw. Far more environmentally friendly. And far more environmentally friendly. And yeah, its just friendly. And yeah, its just knok friendly. And yeah, its just seems that weve got a government seems that weve got a government at the moment that is not government at the moment that is nok on government at the moment that is nok on kne government at the moment that is nok on kne sioe government at the moment that is not on the side of government at the moment that is not on the side of the motorist, nok not on the side of the motorist, nok on not on the side of the motorist, nok on kne not on the side of the motorist, not on the side not on the side of the motorist, not on the side of not on the side of the motorist, not on the side of the motorist, not on the side of the electric weiisie not on the side of the electric verrgg, ono not on the side of the electric vehicle, and theres an awful lot vehicle, and theres an awful iok none vehicle, and theres an awful lot more stick vehicle, and theres an awful lot more stick out there than ooks in lot more stick out there than carrots. In fact, lot more stick out there than carrots. In fact, i lot more stick out there than carrots. In fact, i think the iosk carrots. In fact, i think the last carrot, carrots. In fact, i think the last carrot, as carrots. In fact, i think the last carrot, as i carrots. In fact, i think the last carrot, as i say, is gekking last carrot, as i say, is getting dropped very soon. And at getting dropped very soon. And oknonenk getting dropped very soon. And oknonenk , getting dropped very soon. And atmoment , weve getting dropped very soon. And at moment, weve seen, you at the moment, weve seen, you know, at the moment, weve seen, you know,lsignificant at the moment, weve seen, you know, significant reduction in know, a significant reduction in engwinies know, a significant reduction in enquirieselectric know, a significant reduction in enquiries electric vehicles enquiries for electric vehicles ono enquiries for electric vehicles and manufacturers gone down and manufacturers have gone down the and manufacturers have gone down kne nook and manufacturers have gone down kne nooo knok and manufacturers have gone down the road that theyve been led to the road that theyve been led ko inon the road that theyve been led to from when. The road that theyve been ledi to from when we to go down right from when we wensoi to go down right from when we wensoi kne to go down right from when we wereof the eu to go down right from when we wereof the eu to to go down right from when we were of the eu to now were were part of the eu to now were not were part of the eu to now were nok ponk were part of the eu to now were nok ponk oi were part of the eu to now were nok ponk oi kne were part of the eu to now were not part of the eu. Were part of the eu to now were not part of the eu. The government not part of the eu. The government supposedly adopting a siniion government supposedly adopting a similar approach, government supposedly adopting a similar approach, but you know, its similar approach, but you know, is kind similar approach, but you know, is king oi similar approach, but you know, its kind of the similar approach, but you know, its kind of the carrots being oongieo its kind of the carrots being oongieo ono its kind of the carrots being dangled and then taken for dangled and then taken away for the manufacturers dangled and then taken away for the manufacturers. So we the manufacturers. So we oespenokeiw the manufacturers. So we desperately with the desperately plead with the goennenk desperately plead with the government, lets get some inwesknenk government, lets get some investment into government, lets get some investment into the electric venisie investment into the electric Vehicle Infrastructure in this sownknw Vehicle Infrastructure in this sownknwgiwe Vehicle Infrastructure in this. Country. Give that country. Lets give people that oonk country. Lets give people that oonk nove country. Lets give people that oonk nowe o country. Lets give people that dont have a domestic charging poink dont have a domestic charging poink wikn dont have a domestic charging point with access dont have a domestic charging point with access to 7. 5 pence per point with access to 7. 5 pence pen kiiowokk point with access to 7. 5 pence per kilowatt electricity. The oppononikw per kilowatt electricity. The opportunity to per kilowatt electricity. The opportunity to own an electric venisie opportunity to own an electric vehicle because opportunity to own an electric vehicle because there is genoineiw vehicle because there is gennineiw no vehicle because there is genuinely no opportunity for peopie genuinely no opportunity for peopie wno genuinely no opportunity for people who live genuinely no opportunity for people who live remotely from knein people who live remotely from their vehicles, people who live remotely from their vehicles, i. E. People who live remotely from their vehicles, i. E. In a flat wnene their vehicles, i. E. In a flat wnene knew their vehicles, i. E. In a flat where they dont have their own knive where they dont have their own give one where they dont have their own drive and their where they dont have their own drive and their own electric source. Theres drive and their own electric source. Theres opportunity source. Theres no opportunity for source. Theres no opportunity ion knen source. Theres no opportunity ion knen ko source. Theres no opportunity for them to electric for them to own electric venisies. For them to own electric vehicles. Then for them to own electric vehicles. Then on the for them to own electric vehicles. Then on the other vehicles. And then on the other sioe vehicles. And then on the other sideintroduce vehicles. And then on the other side introduce ulez zones side you introduce ulez zones wnene side you introduce ulez zones wnenenowe side you introduce ulez zones wherehave to side you introduce ulez zones where have to pay where people have to pay a ionkwne where people have to pay a ionkwne ko where people have to pay a fortune to drive where people have to pay a fortune to drive a battery eiesknis fortune to drive a battery electric internal electric sorry, an internal soniwskion electric sorry, an internal Combustion Engine to their own pnopenkw. Combustion engine to their own pnopenkw. Koo Combustion Engine to their own property. You know, we need to get property. You know, we need to gek o property. You know, we need to gek o roineo property. You know, we need to gek o roineo op property. You know, we need to get a joined up approach and nignk get a joined up approach and nignkik get a joined up approach and rightit doesnt get a joined up approach and right it doesnt feel joined right now it doesnt feel joined up ko right now it doesnt feel joined up koinosen right now it doesnt feel joined up tofraser brown right now it doesnt feel joined. Up tofraser brown talking up to me. Fraser brown talking immense amounts of common sense this thank you for this morning. Thank you for joining on gb news. You joining us on gb news. Thank you. Okay. Are at home. Okay. Are you sat at home wondering when your partner will get round to those diy jobs that need doing or indeed finishing painting the skirting boards or cleaning the gutter well. Research conducted by cleaning the gutter well. Research conducted by homeserve swggesks Research Conducted by homeserve soggesks kwo Research Conducted by homeserve suggests two thirds Research Conducted by homeserve suggests two thirds of britons ieowe suggests two thirds of britons ieowe pik suggests two thirds of britons leave diy jobs suggests two thirds of britons leave diy jobs for 108 days keione leave diy jobs for 108 days keione knew leave diy jobs for 108 days before they actually get around to before they actually get around ko knen. Before they actually get around ko knen. Kno before they actually get around to them. And ive before they actually get around to them. i gin. Before they actually get around to them. i gin. Before they actually get around to them. gs . To them. And ive got to say, im one of them. Ive had a half finished patio for about six months. Man on a mission to months. One man on a mission to get brits former get brits diy is former footballer and absolute footballer and the absolute legend property expert dion dubun legend property expert dion dublin dion. So great to have you on the show, mate. Huge, huge fan of you as a player. Well done for all that. And also so this diy stuff , well done for all that. And also so this diy stuff, i well done for all that. And also so this diy stuff , i absolutely so this diy stuff, i absolutely and totally get it. The amount of half finished jobs in my house mate. Well, lets just say i get it in the neck on a regular basis. What kind of things are brits not finishing and how long are these jobs being put off for . Its being put off for . Its honestly, im the honestly, im the same. Being put off for . Its honestly, im the same. Im the. Honestly, im the same. Im the i iike honestly, im the same. Im the same. I like to honestly, im the same. Im the same. I like to get honestly, im the same. Im the same. I like to get mine done. Ive same. I like to get mine done. He gok same. I like to get mine done. He gok ko same. I like to get mine done. He gok ko sow same. I like to get mine done. He gok ko sow. Same. I like to get mine done. Ive got to say, i do like to get ive got to say, i do like to gek nine ive got to say, i do like to get mine done. Ive got to say, i do like to get mine done. Get them out of the get mine done. Get them out of kne wow get mine done. Get them out of kne wow so get mine done. Get them out of kne wow so i get mine done. Get them out of the way so i can get mine done. Get them out of the way so i can sit get mine done. Get them out of the way so i can sit down and woksn the way so i can sit down and woksn kne the way so i can sit down and watch the second the way so i can sit down and watch the second half of the iookw. Watch the second half of the footy loniw watch the second half of the footy. Lonlyabout. Watch the second half of the footy. Only about 15 footy. It only takes about 15 ninwkes footy. It only takes about 15 minutes, half. Footy. It only takes about 15. Minutes, half time footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull half time footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull be half time footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull be sat half time footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull be sat down f time footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull be sat down forme footy. It only takes about 15 miniyoull be sat down for the and youll be sat down for the ssono and youll be sat down for the secondproblems and youll be sat down for the second problems at all. Second half. No problems at all. I second half. No problems at all. Ioonk second half. No problems at all. Ioonk know, second half. No problems at all. Idont know, its second half. No problems at all. I dont know, its taken i mean i dont know, its taken on average on average two months to on average on average two months ko snonge on average on average two months ko snonge o on average on average two months ko snonge o iignk on average on average two months to change a light bulb. Can you to change a light bulb. Can you keiiewe to change a light bulb. Can you keiiewe ik to change a light bulb. Can you believe it. Its to change a light bulb. Can you believe it. Its just to change a light bulb. Can you believe it. Its just its i oonk believe it. Its just its i dont know. Believe it. Its just its i dont know. And thats why i wonkeo dont know. And thats why i wonkeo ko dont know. And thats why i wanted to team dont know. And thats why i wanted to team up with with ionesene wanted to team up with with homeserve because the homeserve kine homeserve because the homeserve kine nok homeserve because the homeserve kine ink is homeserve because the homeserve kine ink is o homeserve because the homeserve time hub is a great homeserve because the homeserve time hub is a great thing to sonk time hub is a great thing to sonk oi time hub is a great thing to sonk oi ko time hub is a great thing to sort of to look time hub is a great thing to sort of to look through and just to sort of to look through and just ko sson sort of to look through and just to scan through sort of to look through and just to scan through. Sort of to look through and just to scan through. We can give you to scan through. We can give you kinks to scan through. We can give you ninks ono to scan through. We can give you ninks ono kips to scan through. We can give you hints and tips on to scan through. We can give you hints and tips on to to scan through. We can give you hints and tips on to how do the ions hints and tips on to how do the ions in hints and tips on to how do the ions in wow hints and tips on to how do the jobs in your home. Hints and tips on to how do the jobs in your home. And if youre ioskw jobs in your home. And if youre inskw enongn jobs in your home. And if youre inskw enongn , jobs in your home. And if youre lucky enough , you jobs in your home. And if youre lucky enough , you might win lucky enough, you might win a sonpekikion lucky enough, you might win a competition and lucky enough, you might win a competition and get one of the ionesene competition and get one of the homeserve engineers around to the homeserve engineers around to kne nos homeserve engineers around to kne nos so homeserve engineers around to the house. So theres lots of skoii the house. So theres lots of skoii ko the house. So theres lots of stuff to look the house. So theres lots of stuff to look at the house. So theres lots of stuff to look at and lots of wows stuff to look at and lots of wows oi stuff to look at and lots of ways of pointing you in the nignk ways of pointing you in the right direction ways of pointing you in the right direction on on how to get knok right direction on on how to get no iok right direction on on how to get no iok oone right direction on on how to get that job done safely. Kv s;e that job done safely. Yeah. So kniiiionk that job done safely. Yeah. So brilliant. Lots of tips on there. Dion do you reckon this is laziness from people or do you think its more a fear of things going wrong . I know with things going wrong . I know with lots of diy jobs, you worry that if you make a mistake , it could if you make a mistake, it could be very, very expensive one. Be a very, very expensive one. But your your message today is that there are lots of simple jobs that people can do easily and they dont need to be afraid of them. Yeah, i think youre nignk of them. Yeah, i think youre right, actually yeah, i think youre right, actually being afraid of it right, actually being afraid of ii ono right, actually being afraid of ii ono nok right, actually being afraid of it and not not right, actually being afraid of it and not not making sure. Can i it and not not making sure. Can i gek it and not not making sure. Can i gek ik it and not not making sure. Can i gek ik nignks it and not not making sure. Can i get it right . Am it and not not making sure. Can i get it right . Am i it and not not making sure. Can i get it right . Am i going to get i get it right . Am i going to gek ik i get it right . Am i going to gek ik wnongi i get it right . Am i going to get it wrong . Going to. Im get it wrong . Am i going to. Im going get it wrong . Am i going to. Im going ko get it wrong . Am i going to. Im going ko noke get it wrong . Am i going to. Im going ko noke ik get it wrong . Am i going to. Im going to make it worse. I mean, if going to make it worse. I mean, ii iike. Going to make it worse. I mean, ii iike. Ioe going to make it worse. I mean, iflike. Ive said if you if you like. Ive said peione if you if you like. Ive said peionelwoo if you if you like. Ive said before,. You go if you if you like. Ive said before, you go into the before, if you go into the ionesene before, if you go into the homeserve will homeserve halftime hub, it will give kips homeserve halftime hub, it will give kips on homeserve halftime hub, it will give kips on nowi give you hints and tips on how to give you hints and tips on how kolknok. Give you hints and tips on how kolknok. Kiosk give you hints and tips on how to that. Most most of the to do that. Most most of the kine to do that. Most most of the kine iks to do that. Most most of the kine iks kne to do that. Most most of the time its the jobs to do that. Most most of the time its the jobs are that snou time its the jobs are that snoii knok time its the jobs are that small that you time its the jobs are that small that you can do them woonseii. Small that you can do them yourself. You small that you can do them yourself. You just need to get off yourself. You just need to get oii woon yourself. You just need to get off your backside, take 15 ninokes off your backside, take 15 minutes and off your backside, take 15 minutes and get it done. You know, minutes and get it done. You know, ono minutes and get it done. You know, and then minutes and get it done. You know, and then theres going to be know, and then theres going to is no know, and then theres going to be no arguments know, and then theres going to be no arguments with your ponknen be no arguments with your ponknen. Iks be no arguments with your partner. Its all be no arguments with your partner. Its all sorted out. Partner. Its all sorted out. Kno partner. Its all sorted out. And ko partner. Its all sorted out. And ko ke partner. Its all sorted out. And to be honest with you , my and to be honest with you, my wiie and to be honest with you, my wiie ooes and to be honest with you, my wife does most and to be honest with you, my wife does most of and to be honest with you, my wife does most of our stuff kesoose wife does most of our stuff because shes wife does most of our stuff because shes brilliant it because shes brilliant at it ono because shes brilliant at it onoooes because shes brilliant at it anddoeslbetterj because shes brilliant at it anddoeslbetter than and probably does it better than me, as most women do. So ill let me, as most women do. So ill iek nen me, as most women do. So ill iek nen snosk me, as most women do. So ill let her crack on me, as most women do. So ill let her crack on with it most of kne let her crack on with it most of kne kines. Let her crack on with it most of the times. But let her crack on with it most of the times. But i let her crack on with it most of the times. But i like to get knings the times. But i like to get knings oone the times. But i like to get things done. The the times. But i like to get things done the way and most things done out the way and most of things done out the way and most oi oone things done out the way and most of done within things done out the way and most of done within 15 of them can be done within 15 ninokes of them can be done within 15 ninokes. One of them can be done within 15 minutes. One that of them can be done within 15 minutes. One that i will just nove minutes. One that i will just havemention minutes. One that i will just have mention that could cost have to mention that could cost you have to mention that could cost woooi have to mention that could cost woooi nonew have to mention that could cost woooi nonew ii have to mention that could cost you of money if you dont you a lot of money if you dont get you a lot of money if you dont gek ik you a lot of money if you dont gek ik oone you a lot of money if you dont gek ik ions is you a lot of money if you dont get it done is when you a lot of money if you dont get it done is when your gutters are get it done is when your gutters kioskei get it done is when your gutters are blocked. Now get it done is when your gutters are blocked. Now thats one that you are blocked. Now thats one that woonove are blocked. Now thats one that woonovelgek are blocked. Now thats one that you have get somebody are blocked. Now thats one that you to have get somebody are blocked. Now thats one that you to that get somebody are blocked. Now thats one that you to that get fornebody are blocked. Now thats one that you to that get for you dy into to get that sorted for you or into to get that sorted for you on noke into to get that sorted for you or make sure youve got at least 2 on or make sure youve got at least 2 on s or make sure youve got at least 2 on s peopie or make sure youve got at least 2 or 3 people around you to make soewoo 2 or 3 people around you to make sonewoo oo 2 or 3 people around you to make sonewoo no is. Sure its safe while you do it. Pesoose sure its safe while you do it. Psoose ii sure its safe while you do it. Because if you sure its safe while you do it. Because if you dont clean your gokkens because if you dont clean your gokkensnoio gutters out, the hold water, woken gutters out, the hold water, wokengo gutters out, the hold water, water go somewhere a lot water has to go somewhere a lot of water has to go somewhere a lot oi kne water has to go somewhere a lot oi kne kine water has to go somewhere a lot oi kne kine ik water has to go somewhere a lot of the time it finds water has to go somewhere a lot of the time it finds its way no of the time it finds its way inko kne of the time it finds its way into the house of the time it finds its way into the house and then youre inko into the house and then youre inkopig into the house and then youre inkopig nonew into the house and then youre into big money then. So into into big money then. So knoks into into big money then. So knoks one into into big money then. So thats one job into into big money then. So thats one job that i would nooge thats one job that i would nooge woo thats one job that i would nooge woo ko thats one job that i would nudge you to get done as soon as possipie nudge you to get done as soon as possipie. Nudge you to get done as soon as possipie. Ks nudge you to get done as soon as possible. As safely nudge you to get done as soon as possible. As safely possible. Possible. As safely as possible. Veon possible. As safely as possible. Keon possible. As safely as possible. Keon wow. Possible. As safely as possible. Yeah now. Now possible. As safely as possible. Yeah \ s io. I keno s; possible. As safely as possible. Yeah keno keno g possible. As safely as possible. Yeah ke o ke o g yeah now. Now youre talking to a mate of mine, tommy. Hes a builder and loves half builder and he loves half finished jobs because finished diy botch jobs because he cleans up and he goes in and cleans up and finish those jobs off. I wonder, dionne, how much of this is down to youtube . Because a lot of us. Oh, thats easy. Ill look at the ill and have a the video. Ill go and have a go at and actually, too at that. And actually, its too hard. And hard. We cant finish it. And men particular are too men in particular are too ashamed to admit theyre ashamed to admit that theyre a bit yeah yeah. No, bit useless. Yeah yeah. No, listen, ill admit it. Bit useless. Yeah yeah. No, listen, ill admit it. I. Kv s;e kv s;e no, listen, ill admit it. I am oseesis listen, ill admit it. I am oseesis ok listen, ill admit it. I am useless at most things. But when it useless at most things. But when ik sones useless at most things. But when ik ko useless at most things. But when it comes to little useless at most things. But when it comes to little bits and bobs in kne it comes to little bits and bobs in kne noos it comes to little bits and bobs in the house, ill it comes to little bits and bobs in the house, ill give it a go. Ine in the house, ill give it a go. Ineopook in the house, ill give it a go. Theaboutis in the house, ill give it a go. Theaboutis dont the thing about it is, is dont be frightened the thing about it is, is dont be frightened of the thing about it is, is dont be frightened of it. But if you are be frightened of it. But if you going be frightened of it. But if you going ko be frightened of it. But if you are going to attack it, make woo gok are going to attack it, make sure youve got right sure youve got the right information sure youve got the right Information Tools information and the right tools on now information and the right tools on nowik information and the right tools on howit safely information and the right tools on how it safely at home. On how to do it safely at home. Inoks on how to do it safely at home. Inoks kne on how to do it safely at home. Thats the main on how to do it safely at home. Thats the main thing. And get knose thats the main thing. And get knose iignk thats the main thing. And get those light bulbs thats the main thing. And get those light bulbs changed. Dont koke those light bulbs changed. Dont koke kwo those light bulbs changed. Dont take two months. Those light bulbs changed. Dont take two months. Get the get the iose take two months. Get the get the iose snongeo take two months. Get the get the fuse changed in take two months. Get the get the fuse changed in the in the piogs fuse changed in the in the piogs. Inew fuse changed in the in the plugs. They need to be bleed the nooiokons plugs. They need to be bleed the nooiokons oii plugs. They need to be bleed the radiators, all that plugs. They need to be bleed the radiators, all that kind of skoii radiators, all that kind of stuff needs radiators, all that kind of stuff needs to radiators, all that kind of stuff needs to be done and it koke stuff needs to be done and it can take minutes. All you can take you 15 minutes. All you got can take you 15 minutes. All you gokis can take you 15 minutes. All you gokis go can take you 15 minutes. All you gokis golkne can take you 15 minutes. All you gotis go. The home got to do is go to the home nonesenwe got to do is go to the home homeserve at got to do is go to the home homeserve at time hub. Got to do is go to the home homgivele at time hub. Got to do is go to the home homgivele atall time hub. Got to do is go to the home homgivele atall the ne hub. Itll give you all the information itll give you all the information there and you will be information there and you will is neoow information there and you will is neoow ion information there and you will be ready for the information there and you will be ready for the second half wikn be ready for the second half wiknlnise be ready for the second half withlniceof be ready for the second half withlniceof tea be ready for the second half with nice of tea and toast with a nice cup of tea and toast. Ipoks with a nice cup of tea and toast. Thats brilliant. Dionne thats brilliant. Really, good there. Really, really good tips there. Before before we let you go, before we before we let you go, i believe youre a former man u player. I got that right. So we need ask about fa cup need to ask you about the fa cup final going to final tomorrow. Are you going to win . Well its going to be a difficult one. I dont think knenes difficult one. I dont think knenes o difficult one. I dont think theres a bigger s. I dont think theres a bigger hurdle than s. I dont think theres a bigger hurdle than man city theres a bigger hurdle than man sikw ko theres a bigger hurdle than man sikw ko gek theres a bigger hurdle than man sikw ko gek ove theres a bigger hurdle than man city to get over for theres a bigger hurdle than man city to get over for united theres a bigger hurdle than man cyouo get over for united theres a bigger hurdle than man cyou know, iver for united theres a bigger hurdle than man cyou know, for for united theres a bigger hurdle than man cyou know, for anybody,united theres a bigger hurdle than man cyou know, for anybody, really, you know, for anybody, really, pesoose , you know, for anybody, really, because that , you know, for anybody, really,| because that good because theyve been that good non kne because theyve been that good non kne peskl man city have been the best siops man city have been the best siopsionope man city have been the best clubseurope for man city have been the best clubs europe for years clubs side in europe for years now. Everybodys clubs side in europe for years now. Everybodys been now. And everybodys been snosing now. And everybodys been chasing them. Now. And everybodys been chasing them. I now. And everybodys been chasing them. I think liverpool are chasing them. I think liverpool kne chasing them. I think liverpool kne keon chasing them. I think liverpool are the team that chasing them. I think liverpool are the team that come are the team that have come siosesk are the team that have come closestthem are the team that have come closestthem. Are the team that have come closest them. But man city closest to them. But man city opi closest to them. But man city obe favourites closest to them. But man city obe favourites man united have to obe favourites man united have ko pe obe favourites man united have to be absolutely obe favourites man united have to be absolutely 100 spot on. Veon to be absolutely 100 spot on. Keon io to be absolutely 100 spot on. Keon io win to be absolutely 100 spot on. Yeah to win this to be absolutely 100 spot on. Yeah to win this game because sikw yeah to win this game because man man city very yeah to win this game because man man city very rarely make niskokes man man city very rarely make niskokes. So man man city very rarely make mistakes. So great man man city very rarely make mistakes. So great atmosphere ioii mistakes. So great atmosphere ioii noos mistakes. So great atmosphere ioii nos i mistakes. So great atmosphere full house. Ijust mistakes. So great atmosphere full house. I just hope all the ions full house. I just hope all the ions gek full house. I just hope all the ions gek oown full house. I just hope all the fans get down to full house. I just hope all the fans get down to wembley nice ono fans get down to wembley nice one soie fans get down to wembley nice and safe with fans get down to wembley nice and safe with the fans get down to wembley nice and safe with the train situation. And safe with the train situation. So and safe with the train situation. So be safe out there. Woik situation. So be safe out there. Weii pion situation. So be safe out there. Well dion dublin situation. So be safe out there. Well dion dublin the situation. So be safe out there. Well dion dublin the legend, the player now the diy guru. Thank you for joining player now the diy guru. Thank you forjoining us player now the diy guru. Thank you for joining us this morning on gb news. Have a good one, mate. Cheers thank you. Thats it mate. Cheers thank you. Thats ik inon mate. Cheers thank you. Thats ik inon os mate. Cheers thank you. Thats ik inon pok mate. Cheers thank you. Thats it from us. Butstay ctzce thank you. Thats it from us. But stay tuned it from us. But do stay tuned pesoose it from us. But do stay tuned pesooseis it from us. But do stay tuned becauseis esther. It from us. But do stay tuned because is esther and because up next is esther and ink because up next is esther and iniiinioow because up next is esther and phil friday morning. Phil with friday morning. Pionning. Phil with friday morning. Morning. Alex phil with friday morning. Morning. Alex deakin phil with friday morning. Morning. Alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news, whos another fine sunny day for most today. And even in the east where it has been dull where it has been pretty dull all week, we are looking at some sunshine coming through eventually High Pressure continues to dominate and well control our weather through the weekend well. Around that weekend as well. But around that high, is still coming high, the breeze is still coming in off the north sea and so its produced quite a lot of cloud. So for many it is a pretty drab start, but already got some sunshine in the west and across much scotland clouds much of scotland and the clouds should quickly should break up pretty quickly this morning. So i think we will see brighter skies from cambridgeshire all the way up across yorkshire. Now parts of the coast may stay little the east coast may stay a little misty, but certainly anywhere inland , it should be a brighter inland, it should be a brighter day across the east and itll be warmer as well. The coast will warmer as well. The coast will be fresh because it will still be fresh because it will still be and west be a breeze blowing and west will best will still be best for temperatures into temperatures getting into the low 20s the sunshine for many low 20s in the sunshine for many a cracking friday evening as well, with most places staying fine and sunny. A bit more cloud spilling in through the day across scotland. So across northern scotland. So turning quite here turning quite cloudy here through evening. And again, through the evening. And again, some just dribble some cloud will just dribble back inland over parts of the midlands and Eastern England through the early hours. Temperatures will dip where weve got the clearest skies well down into single figures in the countryside. So even though the countryside. So even though its june, its still a bit a its june, its still a bit of a chilly start to saturday. But i think for most its going to be another yes, it will another sunny day. Yes, it will start fairly cloudy over the midlands. But again, that cloud should tend to melt away by mid to late morning. Northern scotland will be a little duller on saturday. So tomorrow even some patchy drizzly rain is possible over the Northern Isles , but otherwise its dry and fine. Strong sunshine, uv levels will be high and temperatures will be high and temperatures will be high and temperatures will be little higher on will be a little higher on saturday. Youve got will be a little higher on sat|breeze youve got will be a little higher on sat|breeze from youve got will be a little higher on sat|breeze from the ouve got will be a little higher on sat|breeze from the sea,e got will be a little higher on sat|breeze from the sea, the the breeze from the sea, the coast may be a fresh , but coast may be a little fresh, but inland, high teens, low 20, 23, 24 is possible. And its a similar story on sunday. Plenty of sunshine and feeling warm inland. Well. Welcome to friday morning well. Welcome to friday morning with esther and phil. Coming up this hour with esther and phil. Coming up knis noon in with esther and phil. Coming up knis noon in o with esther and phil. Coming up this hour in a bumper ew . 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