jobs. transportation secretary ray lahood announcing the money will go to, and stop me if you have heard this before, repairing crumbling roads and bridges. but is anyone looking at the tumbling finances? just the interest to carry this each year, costs us $240 billion. far from address it this year, market wanter craig submit says we are doubling down this year, setting up what could be a bad next year. >>guest: follow the money. you will see this money go to swing states that are very labor union friendly. i suspect this is in different than the run around that the president did on the immigration bill to pander to the hispanic vote, to run around the welfare work requirements and get to the entitlement vote. it is amazing how this president can get away with this. beyond that, hasn't he learned anything from the failed experience of the $800 billion that did not bring us back under 8 percent unemployment? did he in the realize that the wasted $535 million solyndra wasted, and this president needs to realize we need certainty in taxes, certainty in regulation, and businesses will start creating jobs. until he does that, you are right, he is throwing more money after --. >>neil: he is what worries me. and, by the ways undemocratic and republican presidents alike, by my house in new jersey i have now seen the grandchild of the same crew that were working on the same potholes. i am getting alarmed about it because some of them are waving to me new and saying, i remember you when you were this high. you know, i think there has to be a point where we say, spending if that direction does not seem to be panning out. obviously, we are going to pan some more. >>guest: exactly. it is like cool hand luke. you have your dirt in my ditch here. get it out and throw it back in. get it out, throw it back in. perfect example of how it can work, in california, a group of private businessmen built a bridge from the mainland, and it paid itself back and they donated it to the city of coronado, california. why can't the president understand that government can't do anything? money has to be made so taxes can be paid, so governments can spend money. you said at the beginning of brought, all we doing is adding another half billion to the deficit. what is half a billion in it will create jobs. no, it won't, $20 million will go to the fancy signs that says "your administration is building jobs and a future." that wonderful for election year ploy but it will do nothing to help the problem. >>neil: you do not argue it is different? the white house says this is in the new money but money that was allocated to states, and we are "repurposing" it. >>guest: but it was done under earmarks from 2003 to 2006 and the budget said he would not allow he marks. it is insane. remember he said, two years ago, if you are going to get a government contract, i want to know without are giving your money to. i want to know your political affiliation. does that mean we will put the thumb on the scale for the democrats? the bottom line, forget the politics. the economics of this do not work. we know it doesn't work. he knows it doesn't work. that is why you see the grandchild filling the potholes in new jersey. we need to change course. >>neil: i will put you down as a "maybe," for president obama. >>guest: you do not have to put me down as a "maybe." >>neil: after a week of gaffes and a job dropping rebuke from a former democratic governor. >> when you make a statement that says "they are going to put y'all back in chains," and it is not doing to happen to me. we will work through it. but, y'all...will be in chains. slavery is nothing to joke about. >>neil: that is governor wild er having this to say. biden has no talks for campaign this weekend. >> it is time to put him on ice. >>neil: or ice him in. >> it is too late. it would be so disruptive and it would look desperate. look, presidents like the vice presidents, they love them. george h.w. bush kept quayle when everyone begged him to get rid of him. >>neil: it does not make a difference? >> not much different for instance. this is desperate. i don't believe it is happening. the presidents leak these guys. here is the fallout. this is another piece of a real narrative developing. your previous story of what we take this money and spend it for the election because we need to buy people to vote which is what the $4 million is for. anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. it is romney kills women and hates people who have cancer, even though his wife has cancer and i don't understand why the romney campaign has not made that point. finally, we have biden out there, just playing the race card, willy-nilly, and then having stehpanie cutter, miss integrity, she is the one that said, we know nothing about the guy in the spot but she had him on a telephone conference call. >>neil: you never know if you are a democrat. i am thinking of jimmy carter. here --. >> my point, when biden said that, and you should have, maybe, been top of the line news across the country about doug wildering the first african-american governor in the deep south, in the southern con fed real estates since the civil war, he gets up and says y'all going to go back in chains, telling a black audience that is what romney, the republicans want to do, there is a limit to our politics being bottomless. the republicans, some of the stuff they do is insidious but this stuff that the obama campaign is willing to do is to burn down the entire --. >>neil: do you want my crackpot theory? >> and biden is also. >>neil: but it rallied the base. i do not endorse crazy behavior but people say i exhibit it but this was purposeful, to rally the base. but it boomerang because you get the likes of the wilder coming out, and, saying wait, you went too far, it boomerangs. >> because it is the point that you have gone too far and we don't go along with this, and we are not so stupid. part of the problem with the way politicians and consultants work, is the assumption that they treat their own voters, their own people, that support them like idiots, people are not, this has gone too far and if they keep it up, here is the dog that isn't barking, in this, henry the 22, in becket is the president who does interviews and says, no, i don't know what negative campaigning is and the surrogates are doing it. some day someone in the mainstream media will ask the president, when are you going to stop being so disingenuous. you don't know what is going on or you won't say. what was he elected to be? to be a unifier. that is the danger, it disappoints the democrats who wanted him to be better. >>neil: you seem upset? i am annoyed. it is friday. >>neil: and a programming note, because of presidential campaign events tomorrow, our freedom blog, the most watched business blog on pan it -- planet will be seen tomorrow at 11:00 rather than 10:00 a.m. eastern, so mark that down, and not begin your day until later, so we are just one hour later. our convention coverage is days away, and, hollywood cannot wait. >> incredible. >> amazing. >> people will spend to it. >> immense thrill in it. >> they are pretty bad ass. >>neil: we bad especially when it comes to protecting your green. we are going to be everywhere, the convention, the debate, you name it. our convention coverage is kicking off with the republicans and in tampa, august 27, and we are back on at 8:00 p.m. on fox business network as we track the market reaction, the political reaction, some of the biggest names going, we have already secure add couple of interviews that if i were to tell you i wrote have do kill you which would negate the whole ratings point. it will be big. and then we have the debates. we will be at all three presidential debates and the vice presidential debate. we have pat caddell, so many...my gosh, i don't know what you are planning this fall, by cancel it. keep it here. did you here gas is up 19 straight days. 19 straight days. we are taking more oil. now, we are tapping our emergency oil supplies here. something slippy this way comes. @ >>neil: gas prices going higher 90 days in a row with the national average closing in on $4. my guest says the white house is not listening because rather than drilling the white house reportedly talking tapping as in the emergency oil stockpile. the former president of shell oil is here. there is no confirmation of that but the suspicion is if prices go higher they will tap the reserve. you think that is a mistake. >>guest: if they tap the reserve they get three, four, five days of relief and we go right back to where we were. people are looking if solutions. tapping the strategic oil reserve is not a solution that is a relationship between supply and demand. the reason crude prices and gas prices are rising we are living on the edge of supply in relationship to demand. the way to fix it is increase supply. but there is not a serious bone in the body of this administration from stem to stern on the idea of actually increasing hydrocarbon production as a matter of national policy. the fact we have higher production in oil shale has nothing to do with the federal government. if you on the cover to the book and look inside the book, the administration's five year plan is a retread. the interior secretary was if alaska this past week and gave half a loaf on the national petroleum reserve. there is nothing serious about trying to increase the supply. >> we have the same supply and demand issues a few weeks, right, when gas and oil prices were declining. so, we went through a 30 date state where they were declining. what gives? what was real? the decline? or run up? oil price is psychological based on perception which changes over time. we have had healther retail numbers and improvement in jobless claims. suddenly, maybe it is not as bad as people thought going through june and july. to changes dramatically from week to week, month-to-month, unless and until you have a series p lookings like it is going to dig in to create more supply. that's the way you change perception. ing for like that is happening. that is a serious issue. or, take natural gas. turn natural gas into a serious transportation fuel with a real plan behind it, with numbers, with dates, with milestones, none of that is happening and the so-called "all the above energy plan," it is all the above words that we can think of to say. but the actions do not follow. >>neil: how soon for $4? >>guest: well, i am not sure we will hit $4. why think the committee is strong enough. unless something weird happens and any day something weird could happen. just take in the north sea they have a couple of oil fields shut for maintenance. that has caused a pop in the crude price. the fire at chevron facility, 42 cent as common in california offer the last six days. it is that kind of year thing that can happen that could spike things. i think the economy is too weak because gas prices are too high. had a correlation between high gas prices and weak economy. >>neil: okay, john. try to have a good weekend. good to see you. and seniors hate paul ryan's medicare plan so much why do some hope he kicks some ass? >> he saved the olympics and made our country proud. that is duty. >>neil: you are watching paul ryan holding a campaign rally as we speak. the big challenge is coming tomorrow. that when he takes the medicare fright to the villages, a huge retirement village in florida trying to fend off attacks he is throwing granny east -- off the cliff. my guest is thought worried about throwing granny off the cliff. she 187 years young does not take kindly to the attacks attad joins us from warren, ohio, where she ran into ryan at a hotdog shop. how did it go? >>guest: it was beautiful. to think a man came to the hotdog shop. everyone is just so happy and so thrilled because all of the people are young kids over there and to have a victim come to warren, ohio, the hotdog shop, we were thrilled to death. >>neil: if you thrilled to death, someone going to a hotdog shipping i would be the hope to you. but, in all seriousness, you have her the attacks, governor, on ryan and mitt romney, and they are going to go after seniors and torpedo medicare. does that worry you? >>guest: no. that doesn't worry me because i know paul ryan and mitt romney will somehow come through. i am not going do worry about it. they have enough to worry about rather than getting around to worry about their health problems of the senior citizen. >>neil: do you think this will be and should be a big issue, that medicare isn't in great shape and we have to sure it up? what do you think? >> yes, it has to be fissioned. i know that, but i will not worry about that. mitt romney and paul ryan, they will fix it somehow. i don't know how. but somehow they will fix it. >>neil: why do you think they can fix it and you do not have the same confidence in the president? >>guest: because obama made things so bad for everybody else that they just going to jump if here and fix everything up. i don't know, that is just the republican party. this is what we need. we need a change all over. >>neil: did the vice presidential candidate finish the hotdogs? i hear he is so into fitness, he orders something, and then he leaves them on a meat. do you know? >>guest: i didn't understand that. >>neil: did he heat his hotdog? >>guest: yes. yes, he did. >>neil: very good do have you, young lady, i appreciate it. >>guest: thank you for talking to me. >>neil: she may not be worried but should paul ryan be worried and to mike huckabee how risky this florida trip could be for paul ryan. >>governor huckabee: i want everyone to know, you did eat all the hotdog. >>neil: that was the litmus test. if you eat the hotdog, so i would be president now. what do you make of that? >>governor huckabee: i think maul ryan will do fine at the villages. it made a lot of sense for mitt romney to pick 89 is because even if he did not pick ryan he was going to be defending the ryan budget plan, the ryan medicare plan. now he has paul ryan to do it. paul ryan is articulate, but he also has the right temperament. heel not get into a confront station with people over it. he understands it, he can explain it, and it is a terrific fit. he will do fine at the villages because they may be retired people but they are smart people. >>neil: they are smart. you know the conventional argument about seeing granny thrown off the cliff. >>governor huckabee: these are intelligent people who are smarter than that. they were successful, they saved, and they live in the villages because they were able to move there. they are not stupid people. so, when someone comes and tells them that paul ryan will throw granny off the cliff they know better than that. it may work somewhere but it will not work in the villages. he will be a rockstar tomorrow. >>neil: florida is a state that is considered crucial to either ticket and that the ryan choice would compromise that. i take it you are not of that opinion? >>governor huckabee: no, that is not the case. ryan brings not only a great economic perspective but what mitt romney did by selecting paul ryan is to give real assurance to people in the pro life world that he pick add person who has absolutely flawless pro life credentials so paul ryan is extremely acceptable to people in the party if whom that is an issue, that we cannot compromise on. i'm in that crowd are as well. >>neil: indeed, you are. i look at money and you a man of god and c.i.a. am -- i am a manf money and hotdogs. but i notice 72 hours of the ryan announcement they raised $7.5 million. obviously the financial backers liked the choice. >>governor huckabee: i think that will go through november. something happened with the ryan pick. everyone took a breath because now we know. all the speculations and now we know. people will find something wrong with anyone he picked. he could not have picked the apostle paul, much less paul ryan for someone to say this is in the quite right. with paul ryan he has a person who is a fiscal conservative, cerebral, young, attractive, articulate the you will in the see him going to the time out box like joe biden, in delaware to hide out because he messed up on the trail. i think it was a brilliant choice. >>neil: these are pretty nice crowds for number two on the ticket that he is generating, so not too shabby in virginia state that now is tipped in the g.o.p. favor but it is still, very, very early. >>governor huckabee: this weekend we will have a terrific show. we will talk about a brand new book called "fool me twice," with explosive information about what happens in the second obama term and we will talk about the shooting this week. >>neil: do you ever see simpson explode? 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>>guest: well, there are so many things in it, over 70 recommendations of what we can do to get america back on track. do not forget, durbin vote god this, senator durbin, a democrat. conrad, a democrat, a senator. >>neil: paul ryan did not? >>guest: no, he didn't, but he -- i went to him, i said i want to know if you voted against this because you are thrilled or captivity of norquist i lost all request and they did not say a thing, and finally, after i quit ranting, they said, no, no, if you take away the employer deduction of employee health care premiums, the employers will look around and blink like a frog in a hailstorm and they will go, they will bloat obamacare and i said that is a logical thing that may happen. that is why they did not go. they did not like the revenue at all. >>neil: i remember the revenue part. they are leery taxes were not raised more. we are not making progress. your work that you did, its has gone nowhere. the report, nice as it is, is collecting dust. are you offended? no. it's maybe on the shelf but it is like doctor frankenstein is about to come by and inject something into the body and it will rise. let me tell you, everyone is saying, or a lot of people with the, you know, with clarity, are saying this baby has not gone away. between november 6, when these guys will do nothing, either party, nothing, nothing, just b.s., all the way through, then between the november 6 and december 31, they will be mucking around in $5 trillion to $6 trillion of quick sand. it will have to be discussed. >>neil: before we get any further do you have any friends left in washington? >>guest: no, but we have found there were several pockets people we had not p.o. and we are finding them to irritate them completely. >>neil: one thing i am wondering about here, they are not addressing, either party, addressing this, everyone is making a big deal about paul ryan and heel cut the budget. we both know at best he is slowing the growth of our spending, not reversing it. so, if he takes hell for that, and we're in the talking cutting, just if slowing the growth, that cannot encourage you. >>guest: well, he encourages me. we felt he was one of the sharp of the guys we dealt with. he doesn't have to have a staff member there feeding him stuff. he can go half an hour without a note. he knows the issues. he also said to us, i think a year and a half ago, if we can't get something done in america, there is no need to smash my head in the wall, i have things to do in wisconsin. now, this thing comes to him, and why think he was seeming it. let me tell you, he becomes a spokesman of hard truth against fakery. until will but he is against raisings taxes and he is an impressiveville, but if he is against raising revenue which you said should be on the table and paul ryan is someone you admire, and he says it should not be on the tail, i don't see this ball moving forward. >>guest: well, we are going to roll the ball if a very curious way. you will go into the tax expenditures which is spending by any other name and he saw those. he knows exactly when you go in and dig those out, like coburn did, and take $6 billion from ethanol subsidies and he would have liked that, you will do things like that --. >>neil: in other words not raising taxes, but get rid of subsidies and that nonsense, but the norquist lovers they say when you take credit or allowance away that is raising taxes. you say what to norquist? >>guest: well there is a word we would not want to share with the gentle listeners so i will reserve it for him personally. >>neil: all righty. bottom line, we are not making much progress. we are not. does all this have to wait until the election to formally sort it out? i guess it does. >>guest: yes. yes. nothing will be done. nothing. i didn't think that bowles would say we would go over the fiscal cliff but he says we will go over that cliff now. >>neil: all right. he offended the democrats, and the democrats. wait, wait, the aarp. i forgot them. they hate you. they loathe you. >>guest: well, i'm the only guy living that ever held a hearing on the aarp when i was in the senate. >>neil: what don't you leak about the amount -- the aarp? what is your problem? >>guest: their advertising is salacious and we have to watch some of the sexually-oriented ads. i tell you: i asked their leadership, are there any patriots around here or just marketers, that is the biggest marketing agent. i dug around, and they lease that building for $17 million a year. the lease is that thick. they got money up the you know what and they will not let people in their headquarters. though do not want to see what that willing is made up, it is unbelievable. money, money, money, that is what they are interested in. >>neil: they just took their card away. >>guest: i subcried -- subscribeses. they cannot do that. it is unconstitutional. >>neil: i want to help protect whatever, you know, loyal audience you have. seriously, i admire your guts and i marvel at the fat that you were, in fact, a united states senator. that says a lot about you. >>guest: i said the same things when i was in the senate. >>neil: i remember quite well. good that you still continue to tick people 50. >>guest: and i am not antiveteran. here we go. keep slugging. >>neil: be well. good luck coming out of your shell. >> ronald reagan was the last guy to win it. is paul ryan going to help mitt romney do it? 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i am trying to hawk a book but i am being interviewed by freddie crueger on a bender. >>imus: i love him. i know you hate him. >>neil: you don't love him anyone? maybe your son, maybe deirdre. >>imus: i love you. >>neil: no, you don't. no, you don't. you don't. you don't. >>imus: i could give you a big hug. >>neil: and signs that the badger state is losing blue to the newest poll showing tommy thompson is leading the democratic challenger by 11 points, and now, whether any g.o.p. swings now will stick in november? that was interesting. i immediately in the, could wisconsin, a state that hasn't gone republican in a presidential election since 1984 since ronald reagan do it this year? what do you think? >>guest: it might. we said this when scott walk we was able to fend off a recall election, and a lots it has to do with the republican party just gorying up to help defend scott walker and going failure, now, you see tommy thompson has locked down the nomination and running for senate in a race that really is important to republicans. if they can win this seat which was a democratic seat and now senator kohl is retiring, that puts the senate in play if wisconsin and torn son is 11 points ahead and that is a big deal. >>neil: people forget there is a separate race in the senate. if the senate switches hands...when i was there for the scott walker brouhaha the senator led by five or sis points and now it is even and now some have mitt romney ahead. if wisconsin is a pickup if republicans that would change the state dynamic because they were not considering this a potential, right? >>guest: and it changes the math, a lot, the states across the country and the battleground considerations they had, with wisconsin in play it changes the math and now all the condemn prairie polls with the addition paul ryan to the ticket, from wisconsin, you are showing that it is a dead heat with the president. that is a big deal. it has to have democrats sweating. they were sweating when walker was coming up and they knew he could not beat him in the recall which is why the president did not stop in wisconsin. >>neil: but all you have to do is put together a couple of swing states. it is not about the popular votes but the electoral votes and the president has the edge. do you agree? >>guest: that is absolutely correct. that is why wisconsin is so important for mitt romney and now paul ryan bringing on paul ryan is a sign, if many regards, that romney considers wisconsin to be in play. the big impact will be with ryan on the ticket and he is very well liked, with ryan on the ticket and people going to the polls on the basis of the fact they like to vote if ryan, when they get there, they will put the lever for republicans and that means an uplift for thompson, and he can really use that. >>neil: we will watch that closely. thank you. i want you to think quick: what is the difference between bob dylan and joe biden? ♪ the times they are achanging, achanging ♪ >>neil: joe biden is trying to keep his career politics alive maybe he should take a cue from bob dylan. we explain with our guest. nowhere in the book is joe biden mentioned but we are always pegging news to authors and i thought of you. your idea with bob dill -- dylan in your fine book is something about reinvention. >>guest: it is all about reinvention. dylan is rusty. joe biden should read the book. news news i don't -- >>neil: i t think biden can sing. the president can sing. how does he do it? i think he is not always in the public eye and he avoids the public eye. >>guest: he is not the bee gees or sells five billion cd's. he is an icon. some are too famous, too fat. they made money fast but then where do you go? >>neil: he has reinvented himself. >>guest: he is a folky country guy, a blues guy, gospel guy, different genres all time. >>neil: not a political guy? >>guest: he is about justice, not politics but injustice, the times are achanging, social injustice. >>neil: has he gone to obama? >>guest: to the white house twice, there a couple months ago. >>neil: your message to those who want career power, is to constantly be evolving? ou abuy thatnventing yourself. to joe biden? >>guest: he has had a troublesome image. he should maybe change his way of doing his work. the way he pokes. or what he speaks about. he should read the book. he really should. he should read the book. >>neil: doug, for get about today, this is a fantastic bob on bob dylan and i was not interested in reading it, but i was asked to read it and it is great. i didn't agree with word you said but it is a great book. very, very good. and it is moving up the best seller list. stay tuned for the end of the world. have no fear, your cash is here. mom: ready to go to work? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ every mom needs a little helper. that's why i got a subaru. announcer: love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. .. ♪ ♪ >> neil: finally, till death do us not part. no matter who dies the debt of ours will not part, it will not die, it will live on. thanks to a lot of democrats now who want to keep spending. a lot of republicans who want to keep talking. this debt is swirling and swirling, hurdling toward a number. i used to think was incomprehensible. $16 trillion. what we owe. haven't the foggiest how to pay. $16 trillion in red ink. we're not manning up. we're doubling down. not spending less. we're spending more. talk of more green initiatives. still more construction project initiatives. taking money from washington won't, do maybe stealing it from states will. unspent highway funds from them and the latest source of goodies for all. stop, just stop. let the number sink in. $30.5 billion. that's how much debt we added this week. just this week. $30.5 million. enough to pay for more than a million prius cars or if you're slightly more showy, 101 trump towers. the whole building here. the whole building. or 17,600 manhattan townhouses. i'm talking about $4 billion a pop here. $30 billion would cover that. just like it would cover 2,346 learjets or 4.4 million rolex watches. money we could use for other things, anything, instead of going to one thing. our debt. $30 billion bigger just this week. north of $4 billion a day. $2.8 million every minute i have been on this hour, whether i'm talking or not. more than $47,000 a second. my friends, we're not just running out of money. we're running out of time. tonight on fox business network, what happens when we are out of time? tonight a visit from a guy you might call the ghost of christmas future. scary guy, scary forecast. you snow what would be scarier? you watching bill o'rile lin stead of me on fox business when we sell it out. not time well spent. not this time. not when the factor, himself, will be watching me. the factor knows my show is interesting. his show repeats ten times. it's not as if you miss a chance to see him. so i'll see you at 8:00, three hours