Vulnerable we are. We needed masts, we know longer make masks here. We need specific medicines and we know longer need those either. Ct scans in an endless list of other critical devices, none of them are made here anymore. All of these things are now made in china, just like our phones and our routers and our Machine Tools in our airplane parts. China makes an awful lot of what we use and by the way, a lot of what a our military uses. China has grown rich from selling all of this to us and thats why when we need to raise money in a crisis, this crisis for example, we sell our debt to china. If america goes bankrupt after all this, bankruptcy and the way that our leaders are responding to the pandemic that could happen. It will likely be the chinese who bail us out, they are thehe only ones who can afford it. All of this is real and horrifying and most of us are just waking up to it now. So the question is, how did itan happen . How did the worlds richest democracy become dependent upon a hostile foreign dictatorship . There are a lot of reasons for that. There are always are, it is complicated, but there is one reason. Our Leadership Class allowed this to happen. Sometimes they did it in secret. And they got rich from doing it. Last night we talked told you about a Consulting Firm called mckinsey and company. Mckinsey is the recruiter ofon choice for many graduates. At our most selective colleges. Chelsea Pete Buttigieg did out of did out of stanford. Harvard. Mckinsey makes money selling advice and that advise saudi arabias crown prince for example how to silence all descent and his kingdom. In many people disappeared after that. In the 1980s, mckinsey urged banks to expand something called securitization, thats the practice of selling bundled loans. That practice led directly to the 2008 financial crisis. And most of all, for decades mckinsey promoted a concept called outsourcing. U. S. Companies they argued could increase shortterm profits by sending many of their jobs overseas. Mckinsey defended this practice by producing Inhouse Research which, in the end they thought would be, it didnt happen. Scenting jobs overseas would make america richer. That was their claim. And early on, mckenzie even offered its services to the communist party of china at azi discount. While charging clients in the u. S. Full freight. Ng at one point, the mckinsey the managing director served at the Advisory Board of the china developing bank which is the main driver behind of the most aggressive and brutal kind of h colonialism of the world has seen in more than 100 years. So china rose and american declined but mckenzie still found ways to make money here in the u. S. In 2013, the company advised Purdue Pharma on how they could supercharge sales of their addictive painkiller oxycontin. Mckinsey urged purdue to use mail orders to bypass pharmacists that were trying to keep addicts from getting narcotics. Mckinsey advised purdue on how to counter the emotional messages from others with teenagers who overdosed on opioids. Considering all the injuries this country has sustained over the past 40 years, the loss of manufacturing and unprecedented drug academic epidemic that has changed art demographics, leaders aligning with foreign dictatorships and a financial ice economy. Bankers and private equity barents mckinsey and company is with economic gain. Directly implicated in every one of these disasters. The companys ties to the Chinese Government are especially shocking. We introduce you to a longtime partner in mckinsey called peter walker. Management in mckinsey are eager to fawn over the government. Mckenzies senior partner peter walker came off like smitten teenager. All a flutter, what i discovered in china was, the people were happy. We were proud to come if they were energized. The government officials i met genuinely wanted to do the right thing for the people. Well, as it turned out this was just a taste of walkers effusive praise, for the chinee government. Heres more. I think the Chinese People have realized that anytime they are upset by what happens whether its an earthquake or sars or whats going on with the price of pork, i think that people speak out loud and clear and i think the government is largely responsive. A but to me thats just part of a system where they define democracy as a responsive to the people. And i think they tend to do that reasonably well. Tucker walker says hes visited china 80 times over the course of his long career. Hes also written a book and its called powerful, different, and equal. Chinese sub state propaganda authorities have plate praise walkers book is helpful to their cause. After we aired last nights segment, peter walker contacted our office here and ask for the chance to come onto the show and respond to what we said and we are glad he did. Peter walker joins us tonight. Mr. Walker, thank you so much for coming on. I want to start with the pandemic because thats what we were talking about in the first place. And im telling you im quoting you here. We were praising chinas response and i said, when people look back at whatot was done wih the magnitude of the quarantine in china, they are going to get high praise. Credible reports suggest that chinese authorities locked people in their apartments and left them to die. We know they snatched people off the street and threw them intoop police vans and thats where they went. Thats a quarantine that you think they deserve high praise for. Rewhy . I think tucker if you just look at the results, there will always be questions about what the numbers are but i think the harsh action that they took given the scale of china and a number of big cities was exactly what they needed to do to be able to prevent the outbreak from going any further. The reality is that outbreak hasnt gone much beyond wuhan. Now having said all that, and i happy about their lack of disclosure andcl lack of transparency, they should be faulted for that and accountable for that. Tucker okay. What would you say to the families of those who died, starve to death alone in their apartments are people wondering where their relatives went after they were bundled into Chinese Police vans. How would you square their grief with the praise that you just heaped on the quarantine . At the end of the day you just have to look at the total picture. Its like when cuomo gets on every night and trump gets on every night. Everyones heart goes out to every individual that died and thats part of the suffering that comes with the disease. Its heartbreaking, every single one of them is. But they had to do it otherwise, if you can imagine the scale of china, if that blew out in large numbers to other cities the numbers will be off the charts. B tucker wuhan where it began is roughly the size of the new york metro area. Weve lost more people in new york than the chinese publicly admit that they lost in wuhan. Given that you are praising their response, is there anything you are locking into new york . Into their apartments until they starve to death . I think we got a late start. When all was said and done. China got a late start, too. But the u. S. Got a late start and was also more unprepared when it comes to having the kind of people, the staff, the health workers, the equipment that was required to, the ppe and all of that. Tucker for sure, i think thats right. But if we had started earlier do you think it would be wise to lock people in apartments until they die . Look, there are a lot of things about it that i dont like and those specific actions were i think overly harsh, insensitive. Rl and china bears the brunt of that, they are accountable for that and i totally agree. Tucker okay. So you said you dont like some of the things china has done. Iu want to go to something you said to come this is from your website, that you do like. You are asked about the uighurs, im sure youve been asked many times. You are contrasting u. S. For example you mentioned the weakness, and dramatic improvements in the uighurs quality of life and that would include the last 50 years in terms of literacy, prosperity, including a sharp reduction in islamic terrorist incidents. Thats whatt china got out of putting in . It sounds like it was a fair concentration camps . Tradeoff. No i dont. I understand that for the governments point of view, clamping down on islamic terrorism was a high priority. They are fanatics about stability. Do i agree that locking down a Million People in an internment camp is a smart way to deal with islamic terrorism . Absolutely not. So tucker may i ask, why would you know that their literacy had increased . I guess the obvious question is who cares about the literacy if youre in a concentration camp . Thats an important point. One of the things and researching my book which became very clear to me, the Chinese People, i said you have a lot of things going, why are you doing the things the way you do . O . One of the things you discover about the chinese society, its a collective society is so very different from the individualistic society of the u. S. So in china, literally the way they would look at it is there were probably 8080 million peope where they live. A we locked up 1 million men so 79 Million People are materially better off in terms of the quality of life, standard of living and everything else. It was only aboutng 1. 5 that we locked up and thats how we think about it. Do i agree with that . No. I dont agree with it. It that difference between collectivism and common good is a huge disconnect with the u. S. We regard and always have been proud of every human life is sacred and therefore any unjustice or injustice is something we ought to be railing against and they are just not wired that way. Tucker sure. Do you think its a genetic question when you said they are not wired that way . It really goes back to confucian values. I know theres been a lot of negative press on confucian institutes but if you justlo go back to confucian values, one of the things you will learn his family first, society second. Individual way down the totem pole and the individuals role is self improvement through education to better serve family and society. So whenever you talk to the chinese about, how is the country doing, they always go back to the broad base of maximum number of people out of poverty and education. Tucker i bet they do. Thats a pretty handy way to excuse putting a Million People in a concentration camp. I wonder though, and i know this is hard, this is a problem in my life, its hard to a hear myself sometimes when i speak. But listening to you it sounds like a pure apology for fascist behavior. Well let me go back to what i said before. Do i agree with putting a Million People in an internment camps, absolutely not. The u. S. Went through this, too. Tucker will actually well let me ask you the obvious question because i dont think anyone would do this forbv free. How much money have you made over the course of your long career with mckenzie in china, just a rough estimate out there, it might be helpful to understand. Yeah, look. Im not i probably spent a quarter of my time in china ovee the course of roughly a dozen years, Something Like that. Tucker i guess the point im making, this country in part at the urging of mackenzie is now economically tied to china. You have to wonder if the values you describe which are repulsive, i think most individuals would agree with exterminating individuals for the sake of the group, i wonder if thats hurting our country. Why would we want to be aligned with the government that grotesque . Is that atrwoal fair question . Im a real pragmatist. So we as a country made a real mistake in not protecting our intellectual property. Now the cow is out of the barn and the reality is, the chinese momentum behind their economy is very strong. And containment is too little, too late. So as a pragmatist i basically say if china and the u. S. Got together on the next coronavirus or got together on the paris accord or whatever the issue is, the world would be a better place. Tucker perhaps you arebe right but to dismiss our present concerns as too far gone to fix is a little bit like setting a fire and then not calling the Fire Department because the building is a total loss. I mean mckenzie is one of the reasons that we dont make pharmaceuticals or masts or a lot of Machine Tools or a mamillion other things in this country, because you all advised American Companies to offshore production. So do you regret that advice that you gave to American Companies . Look. I think we are in a different world now in terms of being much clearer about what really essential goods are or not. T i think in the spirit of what mckinsey is advising, i think everybody was in favor of free trade in the sense of, let every country do what they do well. If you can take advantage of cheap, talented labor in china which is not so cheap anymore, it was kind of something that improved the Overall Economic wellbeing globally. And the economist say that. I think noww that we are realizing the dependency is, how Many Americans would have imagined that most of the ingredientsy for pharmaceuticals came from china and youre vulnerable. So i think this tucker did you think about it at the time because you had for sure, and thats why we are grateful you are on because a lot of us have been awakened to thats. But im wondering for someone who had a front row seat but were blissfully unaware. T you saw it happen. Did it ever occur to you that maybe we should make some antibiotics in the United States . Maybe it is unwise as an american to abet s the off shoring of pharmaceuticals . We can always look back and say, i know that at that point in time the economic model which was both democratic and republican was maximum economici good for everybody and i dont think people really paid attention to, what are theax risks, what are the secondorder consequences. And frankly one of the wakeup calls coming out of this virus are going to be, people are going to sit down and say what o are we willing to give up into terms of economic efficiency, in exchange for security . And that will be important decisions. Tucker i think thats actually true. So let me end on this. You spent 46 years at mckinsey, youve written about it and officially had a chance to think deeply about it. Do you regret participating in any of these trends, the ones that you say we should rethink . You know the vast majority of my workrelated to china was for chinese companies. And frankly, they were doing the same thing. My world was a world of insurance so i helped Chinese Insurance Companies just do the basic things. So it was get policies that provide better protection for consumers. Communicate more clearly so people understand what the products are. Be smart about how you price it. Cut your costs when you can. So i really wasnt involved in the u. S. China link directly. But if my mckinsey buddies were here today i think they would say, as i have, that free trade was so the dominant mantra of the time that anything that could be done to foster that and make anything anywhere was pretty much unquestioned. And like i said with this virus, we will revisit that. You know, i dont agree that there is going to be a huge increase of manufacturing jobs back here because whats going to happen is a lot of the supply chains will go to the philippines, thailand, vietnam. So the country is going to have to say, we are going to be willing to pay an extra percent for pharmaceuticals to have maximum safety and i think thats a very fair question and fair tradeoff. Tucker so no regrets. Peter walker, thanks for coming on tonight, i appreciate you doing now. Thank you tucker, ive enjoyed it. Tucker theres no information tonight about how many new yorkers have coronavirus antibodies and that could tell us a lot about how the disease spreads from person to person. Rs Trace Gallagher has been tracking this and he joins us now. Along with two california studies new york is now the third major antibodydy study conducted in the u. S. All three suggest a virus is a lot more widespread than we thought. In new york they tested 3,000 people from 19 counties. Pr these were people at Shopping Centers and bigbox chains. They found that 13. 9 of those tested had signs of the virus in their blood. If accurate that means 2. 7 Million People in new york have already had coronavirus and intern thate would significantly lower their fatality rate 2. 05 . Still about four times higher than seasonal flu but 30 times lower than numerous studies have suggested. Scientists still do not know if having antibodies means you are immune for a year, two years or life. Its notable that the number of new york deaths in the past four days is down 40 . Hospitalizations are down for ten days running, integrations are down 11 days running. Tucker . Tucker thanks so much for that. That news out of new york which you just heard raises more questions about the actual death rate. Look at the numbers. You will find that some places are being hit very, very hard and others are almost untouched. Why is that and what are the implications for us inre the locked down . We will investigate after the break. Tucker as of right now almost 49,000 people have died of the coronavirus in the United States so far, thats approaching the total of american servicemen killed during vietnam. But unlike vietnam the death toll from this pandemic has not spread evenly across the country. Coronavirus deaths are still clustered in a struggling small number of places. Look at the numbers. A pattern emerges. Only nine states out of 50 as right now i have recorded more than a thousand deaths from the virus. Close to half of all deaths nationwide have occurred in just two states, new york, new york, and new jersey. New york has recorded 15,200 deaths in new jersey about a third of that. Of 5,063. After new york and new jersey the death total declined dramatically. You wouldnt necessarily expect edthat to happen. New york and new jersey have dense urban areas but are not the biggest states. In the country by population. In fact, new york is fourth and new jersey 11th. Our three biggest states have been relatively lightly touched. California, which is by far the largest has seen just 1,268 deaths out of a population of 40 million. Texas, number two has had only 517 deaths. Florida 867. For perspective about 4,000 americans die every year from choking on their meals. So why is this happening . Or more precisely in so many places why is it not happening . Why are the numbers so skewed toward the urban north east . The answer is nobody is really sure but we should try to find out. If half of all americans killed in vietnam came from new yorkhoo new jersey weal could probably t a close look at how they were conducting the draft. There must be a reason these proportions are this disturbing. We ought to figure out what it is and lets hope we do. But for now whats clear, this virus is concentrated not simply in a handful of states but in a small number of places, especially southern new york in and around new york city and northern new jersey, particularly in which the counties commute into new jersey. Possibly because also these are the places where National Media figures live. The pandemic often seems like a nationwide disaster. It definitely is a disaster, no question about that. Many people have died and will continue to die sadly. But as a factual matter, the virus itself hasnt yet been a nationwide killer. In some states it has barely happened. In nebraska, 38 people have died so far. In arkansas,ra 43. New mexico idaho 51. 65. Vermont, 40. In oregon, a state of more than 40 Million People with a couple of dense urban areas, the totalu death toll to an age nine. 79. This is very good news. Washington state, but the first confirmed carrier of the disease returned from china and has seen fewer than 700 people die, we did not anticipate that. The bad news as many of these s barely affected states are still suffering under strict lockdowns. Consider the state of maine. Maine has the oldest population of any state in america. The median age is 45. More than a fifth of the states over 65. Based on what officials have repeatedly told us he would expect that maine would be devastated by the virus. As of tonight only a total of 44 people there have died. Far more people have been killed hitting those in the past fiveor years. Last month governor janet mills panicked and ordered residents to stay in their homes. As she later explained in a radio address, if you love your family, you will obey. This virus will continue to sicken people across our state and ourin country. Our cases will grow, and unfortunately, more people will die. And if you love your neighbor, your family, if you love the state as i do, please dont travel. Stay healthy, stay home. Av tucker nearly a month after she ordered the state to stay home, fewer than 50 people have died. At some point governor mills will ask about this and i will certainly take credit for the low death toll. She will claim her lockdown saved countless lives. The problem is, she doesnt know that thats true and theres evidence it didnt. South dakota didnt lockdown at all and only nine people have died there. In the meantime, families have been destroyed by the decision. More than 100,000 people have filed for unemployment which is more than 10 of the entire population. That includes women, children, elderly, men, everybody. Its been a complete disaster. Maines economy has long been fragile. It will not recover from this for years if it ever does recover. So did janet mills make a wise decision when she shut down her state . If you think she did please tell us what other Communicable Diseases she should respond to. By causing mass unemployment . You have the same question West Virginia. 31 people have died there so far. Montanas death toll tonight is 14. So maybe the lesson of all of this is not every place in america is the same. Not everywhere as new york or new jersey. The threat to Rural America from this virus is minuscule so why are we punishing the people who live outside of the cities . It seems mindless and cruel which is to say its perfectly consistent with this political moment. This pandemic was disproportionately hurting Rural America, what we respond the same way . If towns in maine like rumford r and andover and brookfield were highly infected with the coronavirus, would bill de blasio shut down midtown manhattan in response . Would the media demand that he do that . With with the professional class in our cities change their lives at all . Would they even notice it was happening . We dont have to guess about this, we know the answer to it because something similar has already happened, it is happening. Companies based in america cities as well as mainland, china, have flooded Rural America with new caught ohmic narcotics. Over a fiveyear period to come one company shipped almost a million doses of opioid painkillers to america. E mckesson sent more than a million of those pills to a single county in West Virginia with a totalpa population of fer than 25,000 people. By the end predictably West Virginia had the highest drugth overdose rate in america. This was a manmade epidemic and it still raging. That epidemic has killed far more americans than the wuhang. Coronavirus has, or will. But how many times exiting that story on the today show . How many questions about it were Democratic Candidates for us tos forced to answer during last falls debates . Not so many. Whats been happening to Rural America and people who live there for the past 30 years, have been a unprecedented disaster. P s has been a mass, human tragedy. As far as the leaders are concerned, these are the wrong people. They dont really count. Thats one thing weve definitely learned in the last month. Prudential is proud to provide over one Million Health care workers with benefits that help bring peace of mind in times like these. E. Coli from americans headquarters, im ashley. Congress approved 5 billion in coronavirus spending. The money meant to help employers meet payroll and hospitals buckling under the cost of the pandemic. Nearly 870,000 americans officially tested positive for covid19 and almost 50,000 of them have died. New york city has been especially hit hard which coronavirus claiming more than 16,000 lives there. And tonight, and washington, shutting down to test workers for the coronavirus. More than 1400 employees will be tested. And there has been growing demand for the plant to shut down after the number of covid19 infected workers at the plant climbed to over 100 this week. Tyson said everybody will be paid during the closure. Im ashley to strohmeyer back to Tucker Carlson tonight tucker theres president ial election coming up, but if you had forgotten that, joe biden has been invisible in living by, in his basement by design. His closest advisors no better than anyone, you shouldnt have him out there talking and more people to see him, the fewer voters he may have. Inside the party, the Vice President ial pick is already getting more attention than hes already promised to pick a woman. As his running mate. If i have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts i will appoint the first black woman to the courts. My cabinet in my administration will look like the country and i commit that i will, in fact, pick a woman to be Vice President. Tucker one thing we know about joe biden, if hes elected he probably isnt going to serve too long and probably wont make to many key decisions. This will be the most significant vice presidency inlo the history of this republic, thats for sure. So its ahe huge opportunity for someone with basically no resume but a big reserve of aggression. Lots of people are vying for iti on the view recently stacy abrams said it would in fact be racist if she didnt get it. Watch this. Biden has committed to a woman as Vice President but has stopped short of committing to a woman of color. R. How important is it do you think for a biden to make that commitment, and do you think that not choosing a woman of cocolor, a black woman actuallys a slap in the face to black female voters . I would share your concern about not picking a woman of color because women of color, particularly black women are the strongest part of the democratic party. We need a ticket that it reflects the of america. Tucker dana perino hosts the Daily Briefing with dana perino and is obvious like a frequent guest of the show. Always happy when shes here. So dana, stacy abrams is basically saying if you dont pick me, youre a racist. St i think i kind of agree with that. What do you think . I think joe biden kind of has to pick her. Or hes a bigot. [laughter] im sure that the biden team is scrabbling tonight to figure out how to respond by 6 00 a. M. So he already knew that he had a teetering hold over the party. Hes a 78yearold white guy ann this is a party that is increasingly focused on gender and racial politics. Even though he if he won the nomination he would be running against a fellow white guy, he knew the politics of the parties so well enough to say, i will pick a woman. I think it strange to me from where i grew up to openly campaign to get the job as the Vice President , to me, its distasteful. I dont think she has the rigor to handle a national campaign. I also think on their Vice President ial pick the first thing you do is, do no harm. She has a lot of political baggage. And that biden team already has enough strength to carry all that baggage. I think when the betting is complete shes not going to be the ticket. Tucker that would be even more reckless than running joe biden. Ive got to think though, and this is not just my view as an emphatic nondemocrat but i think the Vice President ial pick is kind of the key to whos going to govern the country if joe biden is elected. When do you think you will announce that . I think they have a lot of work to do before then. Weve been talking about Many Democrats are sounding the alarm that the Biden Campaign has a terrible digital deficit against the trump campaign. They have a campaign deficit, a money deficit and a lot of problems. I dont think his Vice President ial pick i think a its important but i dot think they will do it until way, way closer. Probably near august when they have their convention because right now all we are talking about as the pandemic as we should. The president is driving the narrative and will always be able to do that with the bully pulpit so i would wait, if i were them. Tucker and i dont fully understand, quickly, im interested in your view on this. Why is it with all these democrats and all this money, why is biden down so far in the money race . A i think partly it was because he was terrible at fundraising to begin with. Y he doesnt have a grassroots fundraising mechanism like Bernie Sanders dead, the democrats are trying to do that. Their act Blue Organization is hpretty good. That money is starting to come in and he had a pretty good month in march. I think the moneyet will be thee but President Trump has shown it doesnt necessarily matter how much money you have, do you have a message . If you dont have a message and they cant leave the basement, i dont know how they campaign. Tucker they are in a fix for sure. Dana perino, great to see you tonight, thank you for that. Okay, take care. Tucker the blood plasma of coronavirus patients who haveka been recovered is not being used to treat those who are still dangerously ill. How does this work, and does it work . Dr. Mark steagall has more on this treatment. Hello doctor. Hi, tucker. If you take away the blood cello you have the plasma which is called the bodys liquid gold because of all the nutrients it has. And if you are talking about convalescent plasma youre talking about plasma with antibodies to it. The mayo clinic is leading an initiative around the country to see if these antibodies are helpful for covid19. If theres a long history going back to diphtheria in the 1890s. Fighting the spanish flu and fighting measles with convalescent plasma, fighting polio and now fighting covid19. I spoke to marty searle who is running the initiative here in new york. Lets hear what he had to say. So far to date under the mayo clinic i extended Access Program which is what our hospitals are under come in about hundred patients have been transfused with convalescent plasma. The initial results, tentative, are very promising. Tucker, this is not a cure but its a way to treat extremely sick patients who are on ventilators who may not have any other hope and it seems to be working. What will help even more of these antibody tests that weve been talking about because then you will know that you will have a strong immune response that can then be useful and you are the one that we are going to want the plasma from. That will get a larger donor pool going but a lot of people who really care have been coming forwardge for the study and it looks good so far. Tucker. Tucker and its just a blood donation, not a spinal tap, its pretty easy to do, correct . You go to the blood bank and this is what you do if you are getting over this. Its very encouraging and very useful. Tucker dr. Siegel, thank you for that, good to see you. It thanks, tucker. Tucker while Gretchen Whitmer is the governor of michigan and shes had may be the most disastrous response to this pandemic in the country. Case in point she tried to hire a democratic activist group to collect Public Health data. That was dumb, but was it illegal . One expert thinks she broke the law and doing that. He joins us, next. Itching for a treat. Itching for an outing. Or itching for some cuddle time. But you may not know when hes itching for help. Licking for help. Or rubbing for help. If your dog does these frequently. They may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. Dont wait. Talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp. Com. There are times when our need to connect really matters. To keep customers and employees in the know. To keep business moving. Comcast business is prepared for times like these. Powered by the nations largest gigspeed network. To help give you the speed, reliability, and security you need. Tools to manage your business from any device, anywhere. And a team of experts here for you 24 7. Weve always believed in the power of working together. Thats why, when every connection counts. You can count on us. Tucker earlier this week as we told you at the time the governor of michigan Gretchen Whitmer may be the least competent out of 50, tried to give a 200,000 nobid contract to a group called Great Lakes Community engagement to track the spread of coronavirus. Great Lakes Community engagement isnt a neutral company fluent in health statistics, as a political operation founded by a democratic clinical consultant and a plan to use technology from mgp van, a company that boasts providing tech for almost every Democratic Campaign in a america. Imagine gathering information from the people ofig michigan under the pretext of Public Health and sending it to a Democratic Campaign outfit. Thats what Gretchen Whitmer tried to do with tax dollars. The contract was canceled after people noticed it, but one expert says the mere attempt to do it probably broke the law. Adam might know about the law, the former attorney general of the state of nevada and outside counsel with americans for public trust. He joins n us tonight. Thanks so much for coming on. I dont think theres any question that what she did was wrong, a betrayal of the public trust and thats when she pulled back the contract. But tell us about the legality of it, if you would. Well tucker, i think she could be in big trouble. So this contract gets awarded to this Democratic Group and politics in your official office are never supposed to overlap. Michigan is one of the only states in america where the government and legislature are exempted from freedom of information act request. So she doesnt have to turn over these records, shes already rejected them. She put an order on top of that that her entire government will not do freedom of information requests all the way through june. So she has basically said, look. Its a pandemic and im just not going to be accountable to the people during a pandemic which obviously i think is outrageous, but i think if the public understood what this means they would be an incredibly outraged. Its now the time where shes huge decisions on liberties and peoples lives and spending money that the people should have more of an insight into hol shes making these decisions, not less. But thats the system they are under right now and she already found time to reject our initial foia request. So we will foia every state and entity that should have had a request. Thats where they will find the real trouble. Did they go through the hurdles they should have to pass the state contact . I would add one interesting thing, any contract over 250,000 goes to a public board that the governorr sits on the come of the attorney general sits on. The public could have seen it, they couldve asked questions. Magically this thing ends up under that threshold so, lo and behold it doesnt go to a public board. Theres a lot of questions to be answered and of course the governor could clear this up by simply releasing these records and letting the public know exactly how this contract came about. Tucker i dont understand pardon my naivete or ignorance but how can politicians exempt herself from freedom of information law, how does that work . I dont know why these people would accept it but the governor and legislature has exempted themselves by statute. Thats the people. Es they have allowed that somehow. The partrt that is new is her adding this order that all of the government will not do foia requests during the pandemic. Again, this is the time they should absolutely be working. That i would add that someone found the time to read our request and deny it so someone is working. And you know, we would request and hopefully people like you would requests and make these people respond to this. The governor can absolutely respond to this foia request and she must because you have already Public Health records, the most sacrosanct in government. Hepa and all of these things that we have to comply with, they are already at this data firm. What is this data from doing with them . What is the contract that was limiting how they were supposed to usese this firm . And by the way, how did the firm get the contract . He because interestingly she hired someone a month ago who was from the Pete Buttigieg campaign to be her comms person. He works for her as well as hhss and so she pulled back the contract but who in the acgovernors office participated in this and did they do it the right way . By the way, you cant just pull the contract necessarily the oright way, either. I would just finish that nobid contracts are very hard and they are very rare. So why was this a nobid tcontract . Tucker while of course, its absurd. A Public Health information, wes cant get your own kids Health Records because of hipaa, unbelievable. Adam, thank you for that. Thank you, tucker, appreciated. They show began tonight with what turned out to be a remarkable interview with a long time partner from mckinsey and company. We will have more to say about what happened, after the break. O once it comes out of the oven. And were taking extra steps, like no contact delivery, to ensure it. Tucker pretty remarkable interview at the top. If you missed it, we are putting a link up on foxnews. Com. Itll also reaired during our repeat three hours from now. Our guests, a former mckinsey senior partner made some remarkable claims been among them, china putting a million ethnic minorities in a concentration camp is what fdr did in the world war ii, as if the United States and the communist Chinese Government are morally the same. They are not. It is 9 00 p. M. Eastern, time for the great sean hannity. We join him now. Sean wow great. Listen. I love the upbeat message. I love when you say stay with your family and friends and stay close. Tucker yes. Sean great job. Good message. Great show. Welcome to to hannity. We have never before ever seeing this level of mass madness, rage, insanity, psychosis, and its the same printable people. Top democrats, their willingie allies, their state run tv, the media mob. They will give your president credit for absolutely nothing, even in