Tucker and rich neighborhood to get help. The problem is as mark stein likes to say eventually run out of neighborhoods. Spoon the other assumption that drives me is that when advocates for illegal immigration say we will grant amnesty to x number of people, is that the actual number and your studies suggest the numbers are much bigger. Clearly much bigger. If, for instance, Congress Just amnesty to the people who have this daca amnesty. 700,000 people. We are talking at least a million and a half people over the next number of years that would be coming after them. But thats actually the narrowest possibility. Senator durbin and senator Lindsey Graham have a bill that would not just look at those young people who are covered by this daca amnesty but would open a whole new can of worms from scratch. Tucker we admit about
1. 1 million Illegal Immigrants are here and thats the number i always go with but thats not the real number it sounds like. In a sense it is but it would be following up if we legalized more people. Tucker because of Chain Migration, which applies to all legal immigrants, that means you have a net gain of a lot more people than just that every year. The longterm effect is anonymous. For instance, the amnesty in the senate they are talking about, dream amnesties, they would amnesty 23 Million People, bigger than even the reagan amnesty of 30 years ago. Double that number for the future over the next say ten or 20 years would come in because its like remember there was an add back in the 80s, a Shampoo Attic where girl love the shampoo so much and she told to friends, they told two friends and someone and you had these multiplying images, thats what this is. A green card to an immigrant, he sponsors relatives, they sponsor
relatives. Tucker how can people get away with saying that lowwage immigration is an economic benefit to the United States . Are they lying or misguided . Is about redistribution. The elites on top, the Employers Benefit from reducing wages and the American People, average americans, american workers, what used to be the middle class, they get hurt, they are at the bottom. Its a complete scam and everything about our labor force shifted to this postindustrial superpower information economy. Suggested massive illegal immigration tolerated on a longterm basis or Chain Migration that d skills the labor flow, gives the American People incredibly bad go tucker when hear people defendant, what theyre really defending our their own prerogatives. When they defended they are basically defending it because they are getting a lot out of it, but they are not. In the 80s, everybody knew people who actually had
relatives doing the work, the hard work. Social dissidence has increased to the point where elites are completely detached by the tremendous terrible impacts, systemic illegal immigration and Chain Migration are having on the American People. He went totally agree, thank you very much, both of you. Our Immigration Advocates are concerned with the prospects of Chain Migration creating a de facto amnesty or hundreds of billions instead of Funding College of infrastructure, simon rosenberg, an advocate for immigration and he joins us denigrated things a lot for coming on. Good to be here. Tucker you can debate the numbers but what you cant debate is that the numbers matter. I can say from firsthand experience having had thousands, hundreds of these debates, herec justification for these policies, the Statue Of Liberty tells us its a country based on immigration. If like facts dont play a role in this debate on the left. Lets talk about the report you referenced. You presented a Balance Sheet, there was income and expenditures. They left out a big benefit on the Positive Side of the Balance Sheet, gdp. Talk about Illegal Immigrants make up about 5 of all workers in america which is close to a trillion dollars a year of productivity coming out of the United States. The cost, which i think are wildly inflated, i could debate this with you for a long time, the net benefit to the country is still in the hundreds of billions of dollars if you have an honest Balance Sheet. Tucker no, actually, your accounting clearly was in washington a while. Using gdp is the measure of prosperity as a matter of productivity. Tucker it doesnt matter how much you make, it matters how much you make minus what you spend. Business also has a net worth so part of the whole premise of gdp is that the workers of the United States, not the business, the workers create a certain amount of wealth. 18 trillion a year in the segment of that that is made up by undocumented immigrants in the United States is close to a trillion dollars of value a year. Tucker what you are assuming what you are leaving out, you are assuming that where they to leave those jobs would not be filled. You have almost 100 million americans at working age not working. I wonder if that has an effect, if that is affected by immigration. This is basic economics 101. Tucker you are engaging in washingtonbased economics, everything is fine. You asked me to come on to talk about the study but what im saying to you is the Balance Sheet that they present in the study is not accurate. Tucker so are you saying that having 11 million Illegal Immigrants in the country, almost all of them working for low wages, almost all of them with low education is a net who are working and sending a huge proportion of what they make abroad to foreign countries. Reporting. Tucker a big portion. The single biggest cash flow into mexico. Youre saying its a net economic gain for the United States . Theres no question. In the report tucker theres no question . Based on economics 101. We are talking about a trillion Dollars Worth tucker im starting l. As you know, hispanic immigrants in particular have the highest worker participation rates of any Demographic Group in the United States. If they dont work they dont get welfare. If they dont work they have to go home. Tucker they do get welfare in a lot of ways. Thats not welfare. Tucker publicly subsidized. But thats not welfare. Tucker call it what you want, its something you didnt pay for your getting free from taxpayers. Studies show undocumented immigrants to pay taxes. Tucker youve noted a couple of times you got a phd in economics 101 as you put it. If the law of supply and demand,
which you will acknowledge is a law. If you bring in over 1 million lowwage workers every year into a country with a finite population, what you think happens to the value of work at the low end of the scale, do you think it rises . To wages go up when you do that . I think the debate that youre trying to have here is a good one. What is the right number for people to come in. Tucker what youre saying is just kind of silly, actually. Please, tucker. Tucker im serious. One of the lowest Unemployment Rates that without in the modern history. Incomes have gone up now at a very rapid rate two years in a row, they are coming back from the Great Recession that took place. If the highest stock market in the history of the country, the economy is not suffering in the way many representatives i would argue in a timer we have very low Unemployment Rates, incomes are going up high as theyve ever been, the highest stock market in the history of
the country and high corporate values. Tucker what you were saying you are going on and giving me this propaganda points that here every day. If they dont reflect the conditions of the country outside of the difficulty when i live in. Thats not true. Tucker 95 they are not working. The Unemployment Rate the Unemployment Rate is wisconsin is 3. 7 . Tucker the Unemployment Rate is different from the reality of work. If you have 95 Million People who are not working, and some cases for good reasons, a lot of cases they are on disability, that is not good for your country. It may not be reflected in an employment rate, its reflected in the death rate of opiate o. D. Is that immigrants fault . Tucker i think people have seen their wages decline at the lower end. Immigration is one part of that, why dont you just admitted . What we know from studies that weve done, my own organization has done is that the impact on the lower end of the workforce with the rates of immigration we had is
demonstrable, there is no question about it. Tucker then we agree. Can i finish . Tucker of course. The overall net for the economy is that for the country as a whole, the rate of immigration weve had has produced far more benefits than costs. Thats indisputable fact. Tucker now you are filibustering. You said it, im going to make the obvious point, those benefits, like all economic benefits in the last 40 years have not been evenly distribute distributed. Our part is starting and i think we should admitted. I write about this all the time, are we done . Tucker hes telling me i have to go, weve got to go. Great to see a period and wed spoken a lot in the last couple of days about the nfl, currently the central figure in the war of respect due to our flag may seem like its got nothing to do with you if you dont watch sports, we wanted to tell you how much you are paying the nfl every year if you are a taxpayer. According to watchdog. Org, in the past two decades nfl teams have received 7 billion in Taxpayer Support for their stadiums. The stadiums, often privately owned, operated for profit, routinely financed by taxfree bonds usually reserved for public infrastructure. The nfl enjoys a special exemption, you pick up the tab and they mark the things that you care about, just so you know. Meanwhile, President Trump has continued to throw attacks at the league, the football league, predicting imminent disaster if they continue to let protests happened during anthem. The nfl is in a very bad spot. You cannot have people disrespecting our National Anthem, our flag, our country, and thats what they are doing. In my opinion the nfl has to change or, do know its going to happen, their business is going to go to hell. Tucker marc stein know something about powerful organizations going to decline, hes been writing what youre up for decades he joins us tonight. It does seem like a kind of perverse system where u. S. Taxpayers help make nfl team Owners Richards while they allow their employees to give the finger to the country that subsidizes them. How does that work . I think the owners actually giving the finger too, the joining hands and taking part in this subversion of a civic ritual. The justification for these subsidies by taxpayers for football stadiums, which i dont agree with, but the justification is that somehow it is a public, civic event in which the entire community can participate as a community. Thats the justification for these subventions which have made these people and enormously rich. You cant have that and then for these organizations to strike at the most basic civic ritual, standing up for the National Anthem. A National Anthem can be a National Anthem or it can be an opportunity for selfexpression. But it cant be both. A subversion the subversion of the most basic civic ritual of all by these and enormously wealthy people, Privileged Beyond Belief is absolutely revolting. Tucker has there ever been a country where the elites, the people who are supposed to be running the country to whom the rest of us mere plebes look on in all and ask, how should we live, we take our cues from you. Has there ever been a country where those people attack the basic symbols of the country, it seems so perverse and decadent to me. Whats interesting to me about this, there are people i spent a lot of my time in the Province Of Quebec where the Lieutenant Governor enters for the first half of God Save The Queen and the last half of all canada. Neither of which they care a hoot for but they still all rise
reluctantly to their feet and at least kind of Look Semibored as they are standing up for it. If the Prime Minister of australia ran a campaign to get rid of the the Australian Flag but he still stands up for the flag. What is going on here is absolutely extraordinary where people are actually taking the most basic act a citizen can do, rise to his feet when he hears the National Anthem and have constructed an entirely different ritual around it. And to listen to people saying as you said yesterday, the Free Speech Argument is completely disingenuous. These are the same people who say that if ben shapiro or the head of the imf comes to an american college, its so traumatizing you have to have a safe space for them. These same people will defend the hollowing out one of the the
few communal acts remaining in a divided nation and they will defend it on freespeech grounds, completely disingenuous. Tucker what you think would happen if nfl players did this to the mexican flag, if they said mexico has a long history of mistreating its minorities, which it does come as you know. We are not going to stand for the mexican flag and we will talk during the anthem, how do you think msnbc would respond to that . They would regard that is absolutely disgraceful. The point here is Identity Politics is all about the old leninist fame, who, whom, who is doing what to whom . It is all right to trash icons of the american inheritance. In the same way that for the Dallas School board to propose getting rid of anything named after madison, jefferson and franklin is fine, its okay to come up with their own way of
respecting the american flag. Its nothing to do with whether they have the right to do it. Its nothing to do with whether its legal or illegal, its just that in the realm of manners were most of us live, or we dont require a policeman to tell us we can do something, this is disgraceful. Tucker it is. Mark stein, always sums it up perfectly, thank you. Thanks a lot, Tucker Tucker up next, the left is obsessed with fine racism everywhere. We will explain why if they want to find bigotry, it may not be where they expect to find it. Also, hollywood has become obsessed with the politics of donald trump and russia, a new documentary about Armenian Genocide is being shunned in los angeles because its too political. Uff happens. Shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength Alka Seltzer Plus liquid gels. Has grown into an enterprise. Thats why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. Now, im earning unlimited 2 cash back on every purchase i make. Everything. Whats in your wallet . We see their hunger. Their courage. We see their dreams. We see the things that built our nation. And we wonder, what would happen if everyone had equal access to education . What would they discover . What new worlds would they build . Thats why we built a university for everyone. Southern New Hampshire university for tech advice. Dell Small Business advisor with one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. If you could book a flight, then add a hotel, or car, or activity in one place and save, where would you go . Expedia thithis is the new new york. E . Think again. We are building new airports all across the state. New roads and bridges. New mass transit. New business friendly environment. New lower taxes. And new University Partnerships to grow the businesses of tomorrow today. Learn more at esd. Ny. Gov
tucker it wasnt that long ago that calling someone a racist was a big deal. It was a devastating attack on a persons character, if not blood liable. Now everywhere you look, people just barely to the right of al gore are being denounced as White Supremacists, White Nationalists, neoconfederates. It happened to us last week. On a website called mediaite, blogger wrote Tucker Carlson isnt even trying to hide his White Nationalist leanings anymore. As evidence for this . A segment that we did pointing out the Democratic Party has basically given up trying to appeal to the american middle class and i started openly encouraging illegal immigration. We didnt mention race at all because its irrelevant. Stagnant blue color which black americans in st. Louis every bit
as much as they hurt white americans in des moines. How exactly does that qualify as White Nationalism . He didnt explain or accept her invitation to come on the show. Like an awful lot of name colors, hes a coward. Too bad, it wouldve been interesting to tell us exactly what i White Nationalist is and how we qualify. Hes not the first person to make that charge, by the way. If absurd and untrue, not to mention conveniently imprecise. Typically we just shrug it off on the theory that its pointless to argue with demagogues. But theres enough of that kind of libel flying around the country right now that we thought it might be worth taking a second to lay out clearly what the show believes on the question of race. Above all we believe that skin color is not the most important thing about a persons. What matters most is how you live, the choices you make, what you love, what you hate, how you treat others. That puts us at odds with the modern left, which classifies
people first and foremost by their race. If we think thats unfair. Your race is one thing, you cannot control, you were born with it. Thats why its wrong to judge people on the basis of it, it used to be the very definition of racism before liberals changed the rules to exempt themselves from it. The show is based in washington, d. C. , the most democratic city in america so we know and like a lot of people who call themselves liberal. Many of them are decent human beings and motivated by noble impulses. Some of them sincerely believe that tribalism empowers people. They are wrong. Tribalism diminishes people. It makes their inequalities irrelevant. It lumps them into a pile with a lot of other people who just happened to look alike. Its dehumanizing, it erases the individual. Unfortunately its also politically hard to resist. Groupthink and race hatred are remarkably efficient Organizing Tools as both parties have proved over the years. And so tribalism flourishes in this country. In the workplace, the academy, the media. The leftist created systems where people are judged, punished and rewarded solely based on their immutable characteristics. This is bigotry, the very definition of it. Yet in an orwellian sleightofhand for which theyve become justly famous, the left now claims that all who complain about this arent themselves bigots. The most remarkable part is how quickly progresses have forgotten the lessons of the worst things this country ever did, slavery and segregation. Not everyone who looks like is alike. A collective is immoral. If you find yourself generalizing about entire groups, stop. It never ends well. More than anything people are more important than tribes. Everyone of them is an individual created by god, treat them that way. We are all equal but not everybody thinks they equally deserve the right to say what they think in public. A student oped in ohio suggested speakers ought to be barred from campus if their rhetoric annoys leftists. We will talk to the author of that piece just ahead. Whats already within me. Because my body can still make its own insulin. And onceweekly Trulicity Activates my body to release it. Trulicity is not insulin. It comes in a onceweekly, truly easytouse pen. It works 24 7, and you dont have to see or handle a needle. Trulicity is a onceweekly injectable medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. It should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes or for people with Type 1 Diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Do not take trulicity if you have a personal or Family History of medullary thyroid cancer, if you have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if youre allergic to trulicity. Stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain,
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and make space for microaggressions, segregation, exclusion and prejudice. Its easy to make fun of that, hard to understand but we must say amari was great about to come on tonight. If we are grateful for that. Thank you, tucker. Tucker first off, it seems to be the key phrase in the paragraph i just read, hate speech. If not constitutionally recognized idea, as you know. Theres no such thing actually as hate speech. Tell me how its interpreted on your campus, what is hate speec speech . Hate speech is speech that comes out of the rhetoric that targets certain groups or individuals because of who they are or their social location in society. Whats more about hate speech is that usually it incites violence and brings harm to these people who White Nationalists and White Supremacists often target. Tucker it is speech that targets groups because of their
immutable characteristics . If you were to say for example i dont like you because i think i dont know you but i see your skin color, you are a beneficiary of white privilege, im attacking you because of your membership in a group. It could incite violence, without qualify as hate speech . Most definitely. When we are attacking people because of who they are and where they are situated in society we dont look at where we can change that and how we can reshape society. Tucker right. Okay, i agree with you that that is wrong. We did a segment on it about 3 minutes ago and i sincerely agree with you on that. Its wrong, it happens a lot in our society and i dont like it. The question though is should you try to prevent people from expressing their views even if you dislike them . So, do you think its okay to
keep somebody from talking if you disagree with that person . No. Tucker you dont. These arent simple disagreements that we are talking about here. Often times we are talking about topics of hate speech and free speech and the way in which rhetoric and speech has become so important because of the demagoguery that has been witnessed throughout the recent election. Oftentimes its historically the university has been a place of politics, debate and speech. So this is nothing new. We know that people like to espouse White Nationalists and white supremacist views at campuses around the country. Even around the world. Tucker thats a debatable point that you just made but the first point you made is not debatable, traditionally colleges have been a place where people can say what they think,
whats new, im old enough to remember it is not now students like you are saying no, you are not allowed express those views. It is a new thing and its because we are now at a space in society where we are concerned for the safety of people, right . We have a change in society where we are no longer allowing groups of people to be targeted and come under the harm tucker ive been to denison in ohio. How many people have been killed by white supremacist on your campus recently . Nobody has been killed by White Supremacy but im sure that there are a lot of People Living under the stress of White Supremacy. Tucker so if i make you if you speak tucker hold on, you said that there was the fear of imminent violence but you are
conceding there hasnt actually been in a violence, so the standard is if i make you is about enabling people to carry out micro aggressions, whether that be the use of the nword, the use of different speech. We are not just talking about people who tucker when you watch television and you see like in berkeley people with black handkerchiefs over their faces hitting other people with chair legs or spraying them with hair spray, thats actual violence, i think you would agree. They are on the left, does that challenge the violence that occurred from the left has been entirely reactionary to the White Nationalist violence that has come from groups like the kkk and White Nationalists. Tucker we are out of time. White nationalists are completely invested in violence. Tucker i dont want to be mean because youre just a kid but i wish i knew who taught you this stuff. Tell your professor, whoever taught you the stuff to come on the show because i would love to talk to him. You are brave to come on and i appreciated. We are out of time sadly. Thanks. Republicans have reveal their plan to overhaul the tax code. The budget chief from the white house, omb director Mick Mulvaney joins us next. And overthecounter treatments, but my symptoms keep coming back. It turns out i have Irritable Bowel Syndrome with diarrhea, or ibsd. A condition thats really frustrating. Thats why i talked to my doctor about viberzi. A different way to treat ibsd. Viberzi is a Prescription Medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both Abdominal Pain and diarrhea at the same time. So i can stay ahead of my symptoms. Viberzi can cause new or worsening Abdominal Pain. Do not take viberzi if you have no gallbladder, have pancreas or severe liver problems, problems with alcohol abuse,
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probably make a lot of money at the very highend and have a very extensive house in new york or california youre probably a loser because the one of the proposals is to remove the reduction for state and local taxes. And if you are living in a 2 million house in los angeles, california, youre going to be paying more tax. Tucker the idea is they are almost all blue states that have these in new jersey, california, new york, very high Property Taxes but they are in effect subsidized by the rest of the country under the current code because they are deductibl deductible. We can talk about the Economic Impact of a lot of these things and i hope we do but from a general policy, getting rid of that state and local Tax Deduction is a great policy because youre absolutely right, folks in places like South Carolina have been subsidizing folks who live in new york city for a long time and its just not fair, thats why we talk about a more Fair Tax Code and getting rid of those types of tucker use a very rich people will pay more, whats the threshold for that . It depends. Everybody has learned that weve gone through this is that there is no ordinary american family, there are so many different moving pieces and parts. You can live in a fancy house making a lot of money in a low tax state. The treatment will be very different if you are living in a house in a high tax state. You asked me who the losers were, folks were making a lot of money living at her expensive house and california, the winners are a lot of other folks but it sort of hard to say in between. Tucker if i go to work every day and live off the wages that i make you are a lot better off. Tucker if i inherit a bunch of money and live off the dividends and the investments of the money ive inherited and taxed at a lower rate. Why is that fair and will not come closer into balance . I didnt follow the question. Tucker are taxes on labor are far higher than the tax on capital. If i inherit a bunch of money and live off the dividends of my investments on paying a lot less but somebody who works. If youre making 50,000 in dividends is it really going to
be 50,000 in earnings. To a certain extent perhaps but keep in mind we are increasing the standard deduction here to take it to i think 24,000 for a family. Thats a lot of money to be earning an interest if you have inherited but if you are a family making 24,000 a year of your effective rate is zero on that. I think thats whats more important. Tucker thought we are still taxing we tax things based on whether we think theyre good at night Cigarette Taxes are so high and Solar Panel Subsidies are real. I never understood why we Tax Investments at so much lower rates. I think we are trying to move away from that. Clearly we dont get rid of all of those discrepancies, but we do move away from the tax code that is driven towards behavior. Most of the deductions are gone. Most of the loopholes are gone, in fact i think the only ones that were really sort of pushing right now are the charitable deduction and the mortgage interest deduction. Everything else pretty much gone. The tax break you got for buying a solar powered something or
other, all of that tax code, the use of the tax code, we try to get rid of because we dont think its fair. Tucker quickly, the Corporate Tax rate, 35 . 35 now. Large corporations. Tucker bring it down to 20. If you do that, what percentage of companies will actually pay that . Again we think more will pay that rate then pay the 35 rate now because we get rid of all of the deductions. Keep in mind, one of the things again, back to the policies. 35 tax rate, a fairly stiff tax rate, the highest of any developed country in the world, right . The power that lobbyists have to go and get a special tax credit or a deduction is pretty severe. Tucker im laughing because i live next to them and they all have bigger balls than i do. When you take that rate down to 20 the ability to stuff that we can give away goes away, the leverage goes away. Tucker thats a totally fair point and if you live here you see it. I know you have. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Tucker up next, the great dean payne is here to discuss hollywoods newest obsession with russia and the political standards that govern what art is allowed. Stay tuned. President , they will not accept it. They will overturn any rock and even probably make up stories to find collusion at this point. I think that oliver stone should probably directed because hes pretty good at revisionist history. Tucker i talked to oliver stone about it, he doesnt buy any of it i dont think. A dozen im not speaking out of turn but i dont think oliver stone believes this at all. Its been so long. Wheres the proof . Tucker youve made a movie on the Armenian Genocide, god bless you for doing that because its an important thing to remember and learn from. But you are having trouble getting it out there because why . We had trouble in glendale, california, a huge romanian population, the second largest armenians in the world. Outside of our main its the first, the largest group. And they wouldnt let us advertise because they called her to political and we ended up making a big stink about it, got
media involved tucker political . They say its political and we argue, i argue with not political at all. Its a human rights story, theres no politics, is the holocaust political . No. The problem is our government hasnt recognized the genocide. 47 of our 50 states have put our federal government hasnt and thats because i think its because we have an airbase in turkey and we are trying to keep things nice. Tucker it implicates the ottomans, the turks. And speaking a foreign influence on our domestic politics, the government of turkey has an effect on decisions our policymakers make. Absolutely, ive been Lobbying Congress the last couple days to say look, look at this. What we are trying to say is call it genocide. Acknowledge that its genocide because if you Dont Genocide denied is genocide continued and it allows other things to be happening today in south sitting, iraq, to the christians there. Its happening now. Tucker no one ever says this, it wasnt just the armenians being killed by the
ottoman turks. It was a christian minority being slaughtered by a muslim majority. I think that makes it harder for people to not acknowledge it was genocide. I think absolutely it does. Thats why they are acknowledget acknowledging it today. Tucker im going to watch it. Thank you. Talking to sean hannity next, shes in washington. We will be right back. Its ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. Its fine, cause i get a Safe Driving Bonus check every six months im accidentfree. And i dont share it with mom. Right, mom . Right. Safe driving bonus checks, only from allstate. Switching to allstate is worth it. Not a good time, jeanette. Even worse. Now im uncomfortable. But heres the good news, jeanette got quickbooks. Send that invoice, jeanette. Looks like they viewed it. And, tada paid twice as fast. Oh, shes an efficient officiant. Way to grow, jeanette. New. Get paid twice as fast for free. Visit quickbooksdotcom. Hey grandpa. Hey, kid. Really good to see you. You too. You tell grandma you were going fishing again . Maybe. vo the best things in life keep going. Thats why i got a subaru, too. Introducing the allnew crosstrek. Love is out there. Find it in a subaru crosstrek. Sadly, the hour is over. Went so fast. Like life itself. Tune in every night at 8 00 to the sworn enemy. Professor allen he is telling us tomorrow what happened. Two special contestants. Unless you want to play along from home. Time for a third night of sean hannity at 9 00 p. M. Massive ratings monday and