As a country. If campaigners can get 585,000 signatures by january 22nd of next year, the question will go on the ballot. Californian, campaigning for his state to become a separate nation. He joins us tonight. Thank you for coming on. Hello. Tucker this is one of those stories where we have put into the amusing category, kind of a joke. I was in california this morning, it dawned on me that this is real. This could happen things to the pelleted system in the state. This will mean breaking up the United States of america. Do you fully comprehend the applications of this . Certainly. I dont think thats you are making it sound as if california is moving 100,000 miles away. We are not. We are still here. We are still trading with each other, communicating with each other. Families are still going to see each other. Its not as if we are moving millions and miles away. Tucker you dont know that. Haiti and the Dominican Republic are next to each other, they are on the same island pretty and they are totally separate countries that are hostile to each other. Just because they are continuous, does not mean that they are part of the same union anymore. You are breaking up the United States. That is your goal. They are hostile to each other, and we are a nonviolent movement. California is nonviolent. You know our gun policy. It does not have to be hostile, tucker. We are all still here. Tucker why would the rest of us americans lets california go without a war . Well, i mean, it is really not up to the rest of the states, really, but do the rest of the states really love california from what i have been hearing, from the rest of the states, we are snowflakes and hippies and we do not we are in huge debt crisis, the hospitals are overcrowded, although rumors tucker those are not rumors, i do not think of californians as hippies or snowflakes, i think of them as poor people because there is more poverty in their state than any other. That is a fact. It is not out to california, it is up to the rest of the states whether california can leave the union. But this could easily turn into conflict. It did in the 1860s when South Carolina tried it. Have you thought this through . Yes, so, back to the poverty level, yes, we have 40 Million People here, so yes, of course, we have a high poverty level. And as far as up to the rest of the states, you know, if you can think of a reason why you want us to stay, please let me hear it, because what we have been hearing is that we are nothing but a bird into the United States. The exact opposite is true. Thats only economically, but culturally, we are just a dominant state. We are a global powerhouse. Tucker im not against it, keep telling yourself. Im from california. My family is from there. I was there this morning, but it just seems like a big move, so lets get to the specifics. If california is its own country, do you plan to give citizenship to the illegals within your borders . Do you tend to have a border power policy . Yes, of course we would have a border policy. If you are a nation, you need your borders pretty citizenship to illegals, definitely a pathway to citizenship that is much quicker than what the United States has right now. We are already working, we want them working without that stretch. They are a key part to californian, we really need them to, they are the backbone of our economy, the fifth largest economy, and today are really a big part of it. We want them to be comfortable here. Have a good path of citizenship. Tucker what about the federal land in california, the military bases in california . Those do not belong to the state. Do you pay market value for those . The military bases we would reach out like germany does and south korea does, and to pay a yearly fee to california, and as far as the federal land tucker so you would have foreign troops on your soil, you would have thousand of marines from another country in your country, why would you do that . The United States does out to every other country on the planet. Tucker when we are invited in or beat them in the second world war, yes, but why would california do that . In japan and in korea, you are here already. The United States military bases are here, keep them here. If they want a slow withdrawal, they can take them back, the bases back, but ive no problem with United States being here. Tucker you are using the words a day and you, you already dont think that you are part of the United States. This is california, tucker. We are not the United States. Our values are different. We are fundamentally different in the way that we act, speak, and think about the world. Whether it has to do with the war, climates, we are a different state. And i know that you can understand, you being from california, and im not sure how long you have not been here, but we are going to do things that are going to be beneficial for our state, and we disregard with United States things or even their laws, for example, the marijuana, sanctuary cities, if it is good for the state. We are going to do it. Regardless of what the federal says. Tucker im not sure what to say. You are right in a lot of ways, california is its own country already because of the immigration policy. It is deeply depressing to me as someone who is from there. You are telling the truth and away way. I appreciate that. My one final question, you are so mismanaged your little country, state, whatever we are calling it economically. There has been a massive exodus of middleclass californians to neighboring states. The numbers are there. You have lost hundreds of thousands of people in between 100000 200,000 in the last ten years. And today have enriched idaho, montana, if it is such a wellrun place, why it is middleclass leaving . So, tucker, you have to look at the bigger picture. The fifth largest economy in the world. If you had to repeat that, say it again. We are the fifth largest economy in the world. Tucker it is the economy of mexico. You have a small number of rich people, and when you have a ton of poor people in the middle class is leaving. That is a recipe for instability. You are aware of that, right . In regards to middleclass leaving, that is actually a good thing. We need these spots opened up for the new wave of immigrants to come off. And exporting to the United States coming you should be thanking us for that. What the middleclass moves out to texas, colorado, they are taking our values out to the United States, so if you look at texas, in fact, all of the major cities that californians are going to, they are turning blue. Soon enough texas will be a blue state. Tucker dude, i dont know if this is like, i have never met you. Ive never heard of you. If this is a parody segment, your punking me. Or you are high, and telling the truth, because high people do that. I happen to think that your policymakers are happy that they are leaving. But the fact that you are admitting this on live tv. Bottom line, are you serious . I am only admitting the truth, there is a middle class of people that are leaving california, going to oregon, colorado and texas, yes, there is. Tucker you are happy about that . Well, if they want to move, there is nothing for me to stop them. Im sure that they will find out how boring it is and come back. Tucker i dont think so. Okay. What an amazing interview. Thank you. And sincerely, thank you for telling the truth. I appreciate it. Victor davis hanson is a senior at the Hoover Division of stamford, a professor at fresno, he has been in california all his life. His family has been there for over 100 years, he has watched a state change. He joins us now. Did you hear that interview . Whats that . Yes, i heard that. Tucker he said two things that really struck me. One, he does not think that california has much in common with the rest of the country. And two coming yes, the middleclass was leaving. And that is a good thing, what do you make of that . Well, it is unhinged from about 75 of the geography of california is a read. And we have the two california from san diegooh foil about 30 Million People living, but if you were to exceed the oil, the agriculture is formed, worked, mined by conservatives. And when they go, they are not to leaving to spread california values. They are leaving because they have 13 income tax, the second highest sales tax. And their schools are rated 46 in the country. And i think forbes rated the freeway 49th in the country. So, we have 1 out of every four copeople in california who was not born in the United States. At 22 below the poverty level, 13 on welfare, so it is mississippi in massachusetts in one state. Eating away from that. Tucker exactly, i was always proimmigration, always paid and what has happened in california makes me pause. This guy admitted that he is happy to replace the middleclass population of california with poor immigrants, because he did not say why, but that is a good thing . I am sitting here in palo alto, i can tell you that poor immigrants are living 78 families to a house and a city, and they clean the tables of the techies in the masters of the universe. You mention to them, lets build Affordable Housing on 280, we have mass transit, beautiful freeway, they go ballistic. They do like the apartheid society, whether this the civil class, everything, so it is kind of pathetic that people would admit that you pointed out that they are really medieval in the way that they envision california. Tucker you are totally right about their attitudes. Move them to nantucket, the answer as far as im concerned. But President Trump says you can take the smartphone from his cold dead fingers. He greeted this tweeted this today. Meanwhile the press are finally growing tired of comparing the president to hitler and moving on to the second purging people just like you can join in, knocking off all of his relatives when he gets scared, when you get scared, you start killing people around you. We do not do that in this country. We fire them. Trump knows how to fire. You cannot compartmentalize things, because it is more together as donald trump unfit for command. I work with families that say 10 00 at night come upstairs the white house. No general kelly around, the romanoffs are at dinner. They are sitting around having dinner. You have jerrod there, the favorite son in law. You have the favorite daughter, you have done, jr. , stopping by. They are all sitting around talking about what kind of job kelly is doing. The key is that the blind fierce loyalty, and thats what franco expected in spain. Thats what mussolini wanted an elderly. Tucker every time i feel depressed because i think trump is screwing up. I look at these people and i think, man, there is something worse. Yes, they are historically illiterate if not obscene, because mussolini was responsible for killing about 1. 6 billion people in north africa. Kim jongun has killed 24 million. There is no comparison to be made. As far as the tweets go and twitter, it is not an either or, people understand that he has redefined social media in a way that the electronic fireside chat, we go down the culdesacs, and if you have 30,000 of them into divided by how many days since he has been inaugurated, you get maybe 30 or 40, and such a number, youre going to make a mistake or you are going to be indiscreet. What is the point of that . It distracts from reaching 10 Million Barrels of oil, a record where we are redefining the strategic importance of the gulf states, eastern europe, because they now are energy independent, we have to. 6 economic growth. We have record jobs, record corporate profits, record wall street, and all that stuff is getting lost in some of these ten, 5 of the daily tweets. So we do not want to, it is like a fine watch. You know it is not quite working right, but you dont want to take it apart and ruin it. You want to find a way to calibrate it that is effective. I think that john kelly is a man to do that. Tucker you assume it is always 5 minutes slow. Thats what i do. Thank you for joining us tonight. You are a smart man. Thank you for having me, tucker. Tucker the ethics group says it is an investigation over the longterm employment of a major security risk. The guy who tried to flee the country recently. The member of that group will be here next. But in part two of the week long hunting ms13 investigation, one hunting ms13 investigation, one of the gang secrets from the for years, centurylink has been promising fast internet to small businesses. But for many businesses, its out of reach. 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It even plans to have them register as panhandlers in a city database, have been killed because they are illegal aliens, undocumented workers. Being anything less than hyper pledge to them is of course racism. Being illegal doesnt just mean having the same rights as everybody else, it means having more rights than everybody else including the invented rights to hassle tourists without consequence. In new york city, american citizens are secondclass citizens, how did that happen . An ethics group is filing a complaint against florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultz over an extended implement of a pakistani i. T. Worker, she was a arrested aftr trying to flee the country back to pakistan after bank fraud. She kept her on her payroll along with other members of his family. Even after he was banned from the house Computer System after he was deemed a security risk. If kendra, thanks for coming on, its a little bit shocking there isnt already a congressional investigation into this, why is that . I agree, this is a bizarre set of facts. Theres two tracks to it, theres a criminal side that have to do with Technology Issues and Computer Security and then theres the ethics side of it which has to do with abuse of taxpayer funds. Our group is focusing on the use of taxpayer funds. Most people dont realize that our house members are paid with their own money, they pay them with taxpayer funds. There is just a natural human inclination to maybe get lax when youre spending other peoples money but the ethics rules are there, they are accountable to the citizens. They also have to pay them at a rate that is equal to their duties that they are doing and all three of those were issues in this case. Tucker theres a lot of money that went to this pakistani family, youre involved more closely at this tonight. Ive never heard of an i. T. Consultant getting that much money, is it weird . The first thing is that it is over a large amount of time, its my understanding for representative Debbie Wasserman schultz was i. T. Person that several members pulled together to pay him. It is unclear how much work it is doing, and whether he is paid appropriately and whether that rose to a level that is much too high for the amount of work being done. Tucker why couldnt you get these are simple questions. Why did he keep them on the payroll after he was barred from house computers, which would make him useless as an i. T. Consultant . Whys it so hard to get an answer to that question . Thats one of the most intuitive things, if you cant use the Computer System, its very doubtful that you would be a very effective i. T. Consultant. I think those are valid questions for the citizens to get the answers to. We havent heard anything from representative Wasserman Schultz on this that explains what is going on here. It is concerning, even back in march a couple house members did fire him after he was barred from the system a month later. She continued on. Thats whats concerning here, she was aware of the issues but she continued to pay him for those months. It really wasnt until he was arrested and everyone was fully aware and it was public, being reported on widely that she went ahead and fired him. We think the citizens deserve an answer to this. And that she should be forthcoming with us. Tucker the sky had access to classified information, if youre bored with foreign tampering with politics and government, this seems like a good place to start. Thank you for explaining that to us. Thank you. Tucker up next, retired colonels praising resident trumps Foreign Policy, hell explain what he means when he joins us next. Constipated . Trust 1 doctor recommended dulcolax. Use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. Suppositories for relief in minutes. 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Weve dug ourselves into some very deep holes, huge blood and treasure pits that had nothing to do ultimately with the needs of our national defense. Tucker there was a fascinated study that came out and it showed in states with a High Percentage of active duty servicemen in iraq and afghanistan, trump did better than he did in states with fewer casualties. His attacks on our Foreign Policy resonated with voters. Why dont they resonate here . Washington is full of people who are very good at defining reality. They look at the world through a very different lens. Through constituent interests that are very narrow. They dont have the connection to the reality that soldier, sailor, airmen and marines in places like iraq, syria and afghanistan have. You can look around at any of these places, the average soldier looks around and says i dont see anything here that is worth my life. I see nothing happening here that we can cultivate. There is nothing we can grow, why are we bothering with this . As soon as you reach that point, its no longer an effective force. The decision by the white house to stop harming rebel groups in syria, some of them are allied with some real crazies. Flies at a big deal . Hes looked at this and hes said irrationally what are we getting out of it . When he ran for office and he would say how do we profit . How does this help us . What is this doing for the United States . Large quantities of weapons and equipment are falling into hands of Sunni Islamic extremists. We cant control whats happening, we have 400,000 people who have died in the civil war and we are backing a small faction where there is no unity of effort. Hes a businessman he says its time to cut our losses and get out. He wants to focus more narrowly on isis. We have an interest in the destruction of isis. We dont have an interest in participating in the syrian civil war. Thats a different kettle of fish. Tucker two we have an interest in ramping up conflict with russia . We just past the sanctions, nobody even made the case why thats good for america. There is a headlong rush toward a more bellicose posture with russia, do we benefit from that . No we dont. Russia has been a menace or 300 years for the western world. Sometimes its been an accidental menace and sometimes its been an irritant. We are unlikely to ever be friends with russia but that doesnt mean where there are not areas where we can reach compromise. I think there are a lot of people who watch the conflict to prepare you for other reasons, perhaps a profit politically, financially i dont know. We dont benefit from that. Tucker thank you from saying that clearly, i hope youre right. Thanks a lot for coming on. After break, will bring you the next chapter in a weeklong investigation of ms13, how does it recruit members . How did they make it to america, we talked to a longtime we talked to a longtime assassin, stay tuned. 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My relatives. Tucker what are your tattoos mean . Where i come from, its a pride thing. A peacock, like youre proud of yourself as a man. Those letters, because within the ms13 gang system. As time passed, you have to learn those. And you earn it by killing people. By taking actions, like beheadings. A lot of things. Tucker how did ms13 make money . By terrorizing, extortion and drug dealing. Tucker did you make money . No. Tucker you killed because you were loyal. Thats right. Tucker did you ever go to the United States . No. Tucker did you know ms13 members who went to the United States . Quite a few of them. Tucker you have tattoos across your forehead, what of those mean . This is for my mom, and this is for the ranking i had within the game. Tucker does your mother know you were in ms13 . She died. Tucker how do you feel now about killing so many people . Now that ive reached this age, i feel bad. Tucker do you think youll be forgiven by god . Yes. Tucker are you a christian . Nope but i believe in god, i believe in god. Tucker how hard is it for an ms13 gang member to get into the United States . Its easy. They have their passes, they have their people, there are mexican ms13, when someone from ms13 wants to travel, they just ask for permission. To someone. A founding member. Whos been in the states or here, and he will take over. Theres always a connection. Honduras, el salvador. Guatemala, mexico, and the u. S. Its one single connection, and ms13 connection. Tucker why are you talking to us . Im talking to you because i want to do something productive for my country. And i changed my life indefinitely. I want to do good things, i want to tell the young guys not to join ms13, they better live out their lives. Freely. Being a gang member is the saddest thing you can find. Tucker the saddest thing you can find, not an answer any of us expected. Our series hunting ms13 continues tomorrow, at an el salvador Detention Center where the gang flourishes and finds many of its young recruit recruits, will be doing a series every night this week, we hope youll tune in. A man on californias apologizing after he called for the filth of the to be expelled from a mosque in jerusalem, will talk to a muslim convert who tucker are you worried about islamic terrorism, a new poll by Pew Research Finds that only 20 of muslims believes that targeting civilians can be acceptable to to a tactical religious cause. A california imam is apologizing after he referred to as filth. Liberate the mosque from the filth of the, count and one by one or not annihilate them down to the very last one, do not spur any of them. Tucker do we have islam all run, is it actually a tolerant faith . Bob morrow is a convert to isla islam, he is a trustee at the muslim society, he joins us on the set. I know a lot of decent peaceful muslims, im not here to impugn a faith but one in five say its okay to kill in the name of furthering a religious cause . That seems like a troubling number. I dont believe it. For my experience, ive been a muslim for 37 years. The people that i talk to, the number is nowhere near that. In this area, if you want to the adams center, you wouldnt find a Single Person who says that. Tucker i believe that but my guess is that there are a lot of welleducated affluent muslims in this area in washington, d. C. Ive seen a bunch of polls like this that show that the attitudes of faithful muslims are not western at all. They include a tolerance of violence. Thats not good. I have not seen that specific pull up myself, i cant say for sure. All i can speak as for my personal experience and that would be absolutely impossible to believe based on what ive seen. Tucker a lot of americans are concerned about sharia law, they are concerned about polls that show a large number of muslims would like to see it supplant civil law in the countries in which they live. Great britain for instance, a huge number would like to see it become the law. A pretty large number would say the same. In england its 4 out of 10, in france its 29 of french muslims would like to see it replace french law. Why shouldnt that make americans nervous as more muslims move here . If those figures are accurate there, they are certainly not accurate here. I have not met any one person ever who would ever say they want to supplant u. S. Law. The majority of people who came here did so because they want to live in america, they want freedom of religion, they want freedom of politics. They want freedoms that every american wants. Sharia law for them is simply religious practice. If you want to say that muslims could not their religion here, everyone has to pray on sunday, Altar Services had to be on sundays only, people would reject that. Muslims want to be able to practice their religion the way its taught. Tucker but in countries with High Percentages of muslims, theres not religious pluralism. I dont know of a single golf country where its legal to proselytize on behalf of another religion. I think on every muslim majority country in the world, muslims have fewer rights. Why wouldnt that give americans pause as many muslims are moving here . Not true. There are many countries, malaysia, indonesia, many countries that are muslim majority enshrined the rights of other nonmuslim faiths. In malaysia, there are people who will say you have to follow, certain things that are more appropriate to islam. The majority of people there are not like that. Tucker wait a second, every arab country, every single one has separate rights for muslims and nonmuslims and every single christian majority country, religious pluralism is the law. Theres a massive massive difference in outlook, a lot of muslims see religion as pluralism. They are cultural attitudes, if you read the cover on, it says that you must tolerate, there is no compulsion in religion, the Second Chapter specifically says that and specifically enshrines the rights of other people for their religious practice, especially people of the book. Tucker you often hear people say sharia is intolerant, women are treated badly, are treated badly and then you say no, its an early form of feminism and women are empowered. But if you look at it, in the quran women have rights than men do. That seems incompatible with attitudes in the west right now. Tucker what were the attitudes in the west when the quran was first revealed . Women didnt have any rights. In islam, women had specific rates, they had the right to own property. They had the right to inherit property, they had the right to testify in court. Those rights didnt come in the west until the 20th century. Tucker thats all true but were in the 20th first century. You see things like female testimony being less valuable than male testimony, inheritance rights are different. Amended women are not treated equally under sharia right now. Why is that not a problem if we are trying to assimilate a lot of muslims into this country . Are you saying its a problem in those countries are a problem in the United States . Tucker theres a massive effort on the left to import a lot of muslims but i think that is really important for people to assimilate to the values of the country which they are moving. Im worried that they wont because its so different, their attitudes are so different from ours. Not really. Most of the people who have come here are different people, they are a very well educated group. Just on the concept of inheritance, you can follow what the quran says about inheritance or you can follow what the constitution says. Its really a choice between the individuals, if somebody wants to follow and say were going to do it this way i have to say i disagree with you but youre a great spokesman for what you believe. Believe. Tucker tucker msnbc host joy read says its time for democrats to give up on white people and view them as the enemy. Democrats need to give up on them and focus only on the votes of minority groups, listen. Democrats have all these things they want to do all the same time, they pined for the trump voter who they think they couldnt talk talk into not voting for donald trump and what we do to you a question mark how did we hurt you . We can find some way to appease you, will you come back to us . I do know that if you needed 77,500 people, its a lot easier to get 50,000 black people in philadelphia, detroit, and milwaukee than it is to figure out what it is in the minds of those obama to trump floaters. Tucker notice how her entire speech is framed as terms of political expediency for the struggling white people voted for obama and big numbers because they were hurting and hoping someone will help them, that didnt work out as of the Obama Administration often seemed indifferent to their decline, sometimes even happy about it. Still hurting, they turned to trump. Reads of you is in effect oh, well, the jig is up we dont need their support anyway. Its not worth looking at why they are miserable or why they are abandoning our party. Her statement is zerosum, her view is in america you cant help minority voters and white voters at the same time, their interests are opposed to one another. America isnt one nation, its simply different racial groups struggling for supremacy. A lot of people on the left believe that, lets hope for the sake of this country the Democratic Party ignores that advice. Thats it for us, good night from washington, the five starts right now and well see you tomorrow, have a great nigh night. Im Kimberly Guilfoyle along with juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. This is the five. President trump is renewing his attack on both the press and the critics, he tweeted only in the Fake News Media and trump enemies want me to stop using social media, 110 Million People the only way for me to get the truth out. The Mainstream Media seems to be proving mr. Trump right. Heres a cnn political analyst david greco