As for joe biden, the president elect got 13 million more votes than Hillary Clinton did and 16 million more votes than barack obama. Biden surpassed Hillary Clinton in cities like milwaukee philadelphia and in fulton county, home to atlanta. Many are struggling to make sense of some of the parameters of these outcomes, especially considering the g. O. P. Gains in the house and reelections in the senate. Those came through a coalition of the nations moral working people and increasing number of latino and black americans, not to mention a larger percentage of the lgbt vote more than four years ago. There are still Big Questions about the polling and all of this. For instance in the senate races, they will were way off in maine and South Carolina and texas. Susan collins and Lindsey Graham and john cornyn pretty much cruised to victory. So what happened with all of that . Senator Susan Collins is going to join us tonight with her first postelection look at what happened in her home state. But first, lets take a closer look at the overall numbers and the questions that a lot of people, including the president , are asking tonight. Karl rove is a Fox News Contributor and former deputy chief of staff to George Debbie bush. Geraldo riveras fox news correspondent at large. Great to have you both with us here tonight. Thanks for being here, gentlemen. Karl, let me ask you a few questions that sort of keep popping up here and some of them are sort of based on this piece and town hall that was written by matt. Racism of the questions i had in the introduction there. He says trump won the largest nonwhite vote share for a republican president in 60 years. Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro around the country save for milwaukee, detroit, atlanta, and philadelphia. Do you find any of that odd, or what is the exultation for that in your opinion . Well, not certain its necessarily accurate, particularly when it comes to the major metro areas. Take a look at this. This is 2020 and 2016. This is wayne county, thats detroit. Biden gets 587 votes, hillary got 519, so he does outperform her, but take a look at philly. This year biden got 587 votes, 7,000 votes, she got 584. It not that much difference. And for member he gets nearly 13 million more votes nationwide then she got four years ago. Milwaukee, 317,000 this year, 288,000 last time around, a difference of 29,000. Again, not a big differential between them and if you look at across the country, look in dallas biden gets almost 130,000 votes more than Hillary Clinton does in houston, Harris County he gets nearly 200,000 votes more than Hillary Clinton does. Why . Because he got 1. 3 million more votes in texas then she got four years ago. Turnout was a much smaller percentage of voting age population four years ago than it was today. Cleveland, not much difference there, 402,000. This time around for biden, 398 for her last time around. Cook county illinois, chicago, Bad Reputation for elections, right . 1,680,000 this fall 1,610,000. Last time a difference of 70,000 votes in that county, so my point is the idea that weve only got four places in the country where biden outperforms hillary compared to four years ago not exactly true. Martha okay. What about the point it was brought up im going to steal the karl for one second and then i will get to geraldo by robert haley before the election. He got a lot of attention right before the election. He said, you know, youve got to win by four or five points extra in pennsylvania to account for the corruption that we see and have seen over the years in philadelphia. Looking at what you know now, karl, based on what you know now, what to say to that . I think there is an exaggeration. Are there funny games going on philadelphia . Yet. But i dont think its one out of every 20 voters is a fraudulent boat. I just dont think thats borne out by history. And again, its easy for us to make these accusations about these votes were stolen and this was rigged, theres a lot of extra votes here, but weve got to go to court to prove it. If an accusation until we prove it in court and then its a reality. Martha all right, speaking of that, this is president obama, geraldo, on 60 minutes this weekend. Heres what he said about the president not conceding thus far. Watch this. When your time is up, then it is your job to put the Country First and think beyond your own ego. My advice to President Trump is if you want at this late stage in the game to be remembered as somebody who put Country First, its time for you to do the same thing. Martha geraldo, whats your reaction to that . And youve spoken to the president about his postelection feelings all of this. What did he say . Well, first of all, i think that president obama certainly would not have given that advice to al gore in 20001 it was the other way around. Then he would have insisted that the recounts continue, as all democrats did. Karl knows that all too well having lifted. The president on friday morning when he called me seemed resigned, disillusioned, disappointed, melancholy. I thought he was very reflective. It seemed to me that although he was not giving up the fight, he asked me in fact to investigate dominion and tell him whether or not i thought that was a legitimate scandal. Still, he seemed to me to be on the verge he said he was a realist. He said that he would do the right thing. He seemed on the verge of conceding a bitter defeat. And that was friday morning. Then later in the day and i reported that. Later in the day his attitude seemed to change until over the weekend with the tens of thousands of proPresident Trump demonstrated descended on washington and he drove through the crowd in route to a golf match. I think he was heartened by the defiance in the crowd, the undeterred support for the president. I think he was he was juiced by it and you know, all of that reflective disillusionment, he seemed to shed it and it was replaced by not that he was giving up on friday morning, but he was putting it in perspective but by today, its clear the president is is in this to win it. He believes that incidents like this county in georgia just one of 159 counties in georgia where they found a box of votes with over 2500 ballots in it. I think that he believes that there is more of that out there. It you know, those of us who love him say, you know, maybe not and may be better gird your loins for bitter defeat, but it seems to me that, you know, the president has made an art is much tougher today than on friday about seeing this through, and hes got some precedents too. You know, gore didnt concede until deep into december. He has some historical precedent for sticking it out at least until the state you know, voting for their electors in the electors certified. Martha its going to start happening next week. Thank you very much, karl rove and geraldo rivera, great to see you both tonight. Thanks gentleman. Thank you. Martha so will there be consequences for all of the activists who were caught on this video from over the weekend punching people, kicking them, throwing garbage at from supporters in the street in that rally on saturday . Details on that story coming up next. [indiscernible]. 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Police say theyve made more than 20 arrests for gun and weapons possessions, assaulting Police Officers, aggravated assault among other charges. Police also say that somebody was stabbed downtown as a result of that. Another through fireworks at from supporters eating outdoors at a restaurant. They were shouting for bullhorns, harassment, tearing black lives matters posters down. Outbreaks of fighting throughout downtown d. C. The worst of it, the worst of it for me is to see our country having those types of physical disputes over an election. Thats something we attribute to other countries across the world, but we dont see that here in the United States so thats the worst of it for me. D. C. Police also say there was a very little property damage, even as pro and antitrump groups clashed downtown d. C. , much of downtown is still boarded up for anticipated Election Night protests. The president s supporters and campaign blamed leftwing groups and antifa. A spokesman for the biden transition said in a statement president elect biden continues to denounce all acts of violence. Likewise, he also condemns the repugnant displays of white supermassive that were made in washington, d. C. , this weekend. Saturday was really two different phases. In one you had that violence in downtown d. C. But the morning started with a marched on pennsylvania avenue. There were antitrump protesters who were there, but the worst of that mostly god was some pretty intense linkage. Martha. Martha seems like we see the worst of this last night after the sun goes down. Rich, thank you very much, good to see her tonight. Democrat governors across the country have imposed new covid restrictions as cases continue to spike. Dr. Scott atlas taking a lot of heat tonight after telling people to rise up and resist. Hes here to explain that and talk about the new vaccine when we come back. Using the education. 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If you are considering spending thanksgiving with people outside of your household, i urge you to reconsider. Martha so the president elect saying that his family will comply with the thanksgiving rules. Jill and i spent this morning, like many of you, trying to figure out where we going to do for thanksgiving . How are we going to do it . Weve narrowed down which Family Members, and that they were tested, recently tested in 24 hours. Martha he said that some people would have to quarantine before they could get together as well in their biden family group, so with two months to go until Inauguration Day we got both sides tonight on how theyre going to handle what president elect biden has called a dark winter to come. Special advisory advisor to President Trump scott atlas will join in a moment. He was called out by the president elect by some comments he made. We will get his thoughts on that as well but first up, bidens covid19 Advisory Board number dr. Celine. Its good to have you with us today. Thanks. Martha so first of all, your thoughts on the fact that we now have two vaccines that are in the fda pipeline, its Pretty Amazing and about eight and a half months, right . We are very excited about both of these vaccines. We still are collecting final details for emergency use authorizations, for submission to the fda on effectiveness and data, but both vaccines look very, very good. Martha so in terms of these thanksgiving lockdown regulations, do you agree with them . I know that you have in the past had some concerns without lockdowns overall. Where do you stand on that . Yet, i think the term lockdown is sort of coronavirus control 1. 0. Its sort of like an on and on and off light switch and we learned a lot over the last several months where we can be much more targeted where we have now a dimmer switch, so to speak, where we can target our measures based on zip code, on place, on population thats most highly at risk and i will give you a couple exhibits of this. Pulling from governor whitmers measures in michigan. So instead of closing all gems, they are closing indoor classes in jims end if the gym come ensure good ventilation and distancing and people are Wearing Masks, they can still go and work out on their own in the gym. In terms of schools, weve learned that children who are under the age of 12 are far less likely to transmit than our older children, so if you dont have really Widespread Community transmission, you can close in Person Learning for high school and College Students but keep it open for younger students. So these are restrictions, these are not a full lockdowns and they really should be determined by the local epidemiology in a particular area. Martha yep. This is chicagos mayor Lori Lightfoot who got some heat a while back for going to get her hair done and this time she got to keep her attending a big celebration for joe biden. Watch what she had to say. But yes, there are times when we actually do need to have relief and come together and i felt like that was one of those times. That crowd was gathered whether i was there or not, but this has been a superhard year on everyone. Everyone feels traumatized. Martha what to say about her going to that gathering humic people say if she can do that and i cant have my family over for thanksgiving . I really dont think it matters what your politics are. You should wear a mask, remain distance from other people and really try to be outdoors more than indoors if youre around other people. Martha masks, it comes up a lot, people say that it appears that people wear masks more now than they have through this entire periods. And then you see these numbers going up and it just raises questions. So why would that be that more and more people its so common to see everyone Wearing Masks now and yet it is still being transmitted at an even higher rate . People are, americans are Getting Better at Wearing Masks. Its not perfect, its not all the time which means that there are real loopholes there for transmissions to occur. The other major factor is the weather has gotten cooler. People are indoors more around each other more. This is precisely why cold, cough and flu season is in the fall and winter. We are just seeing the same exact pattern with coronavirus that we do with other respiratory viruses. Martha doctor, thank you very much. Good to have you with us tonig tonight. Joining me now is dr. Scott atlas, special advisor to the president and Stanford UniversitysHoover Institution senior fellow. Dr. Atlas, good to have you back on the program tonight. Thanks for having me. Martha you bet. So, you said something that got some attention, which happened sometimes and this was about resisting and rising up against some of these new lockdowns and advisories that everybody is hearing about. The only way this stops is if people rise up in reaction to governor whitmer. You get what you accept. Hashtag freedom matters. And heres what president elect biden said in his press avail today about that comment. Lets watch. The idea that existing, remaining advisor on covid is saying they should resist what is the matter with these guys . What is the matter with them . Its totally irresponsible. Irresponsible. Martha how would you respond to that, dr. . Well, adding to the list of things im not is im not very good at twitter and i take responsibility for what i tweeted. If i didnt mean anything that i think people are inferring from that and i clarified it right afterwards and i wish you would have shown that. Because what happened was what i meant was in response to the literally thousands of emails i get from people all over the country begging me to figure out how to end the lockdowns, i get emails i would say, you know, every couple of weeks from someone who has had a Family Member commit suicide because of the lockdowns. I have people begging me to do anything i can to end the lockdowns. And so what i meant and im sorry im not very articulate on twitter is basically if you want to change things, you have to have your voices heard. I didnt mean anything more than that. I think thats obvious in the United States. I didnt mean to threaten or incite violence. In fact tweeted that several times. So i dont think i meant mass pandemonium, some sort of mass resistance. Adjustment if you have a desire, its going to come from the people. The government is not going to end the lockdowns. This is a state issue, its not a federal issue. I would like to say that i have a lot of commonality with your previous guest in terms of understanding that, yes, there are more cases in the winter, yes there are more cases indoors and we know this with this virus and thats the problem. When you lockdowns and because we have states that were restricting businesses, restricting activities, we forced cases to be building up in the season when you cannot social distance. Its exactly this reason why its more dangerous now that weve slowed cases from coming up into the winter. You cant social distance from her elderly Family Member when you cant go outside, so yes, i agree we should have activities outside, yes i agree we need ventilation. Yes, we should reduce large group indoor activities, you social distancing, we need to protect our vulnerable high risk Family Members. All these things i completely agree with. Theres nothing there that isnt agreeable, but with the problem is, i dont agree that you should close schools. I dont agree you should not have in Person Learning. I dont want to see the figure that one in four americans, College Students, one in 4h1824 thought of killing themselves in june because of the lock down. I have children that age myself. We know what their suffering from with isolation and this kind of isolation is one of the unspoken tragedies of the elderly who are not being told now being told dont see her emily a thanksgiving. For many people this is their final things given, believe it or not. What are we doing here . I think we have to have a policy, which i have been advocating, which is a whole person whole health policy. If its not about just stopping cases of covid. We have to talk about the damage of the policy itself, so what does the federal government to . Its what ive advised, within administration has been doing, we supply resources. We do everything we can to target highrisk seniors inside nursing homes, outside nursing homes. We give resources, we give personnel to hospitals who request them. We the administration of developed operation warp speed, and credible drug like the lily drug reducing hospitalizations of highrisk seniors by 70 . The vaccine approval these are the timelines, by the way, that me and the president were pilloried for for same. Yet these timelines work correct and these people should admit that they were wrong. The administration is doing a great job at getting resources where its needed. We want to protect the elderly but we cannot lock down. Martha understood, and that is what you have said from the very beginning and the concerns that you have expressed about Peoples Mental Health are very real. I think weve all seen it in our lives people and family and friends that we know. So it is a real serious concern. Dr. Atlas, thank you. Good to have you here tonight. Thank you. Martha so the polls said that republican senator Susan Collins was going to get shellacked, basically, in maine. She done won by nine points. The senator joins me next for her first postelection interview about what happens now Going Forward and she just got a call from joe biden. We will talk to her about all that. May your holidays glow bright and all your dreams take flight. Visit your local mercedesbenz dealer today for exceptional lease and financing offers at the mercedesbenz winter event. Martha my next guest just won her fifth u. S. Senate term, though not a single poll showed her head prior to election day. In fact the final ball before the election showed senator Susan Collins of maine down by six points. A quinnipiac poll a few weeks earlier had her down by 12, yet senator collins ended up winning her own state by 9 points and she captured all but two cocounties in the state of maine. So this makes her the only republican senator to win estate that was also won by joe biden. Now senator collins, a moderate is poised to become a powerful senate influencer as politico notes with republicans likely to hold only a slim majority. If the moderate main senator will play a key role in legislation. Youre now exclusively, her first postelection interview, g. O. P. Senator Susan Collins of maine, congratulations to you when your win and thanks for being here tonight. Thank you, martha. Its great to join you. Martha so when you hear those poll numbers, what goes through your mind . Why do you think they were so off, and can people trust these polls anymore after the selection . After this election i think the Polling Industry needs to take a hard look at what it do does. I noticed that all of these polls had an online component which i believe makes them less reliable. They clearly had a hard time reaching rural and independent voters and i also think theres more reluctance of voters to participate in polls. Another related issue which you mentioned, my state published a poll the day before my election showing i was 6 down. I think the news media needs to take a close look at how it reports on these polls. Martha in terms of joe biden, you had a conversation with him, worked together in the senate obviously in the past. What do you think you can work with on him . If you are going to provide this bridge potentially, where will it be, where will it happen . Well, i hope for example that we could work on an infrastructure package. We need a lot of repairs and replacements not only of roads, some bridges and improvements in our seaports and airports, but we need rural broadband. If theres anything that this pandemic has shown us, its the inequities that exist in Rural America where there is not access to rural broadband, which has made everything from telemedicine to working at home to teaching children much more difficult. So thats one issue and for me, and jobs the economy, helping our Small Businesses, another round of the paycheck protection program, which preserved so many jobs during this pandemic which i was the chief architect of and also making health care more affordable. Those are all priorities where i hope that we can come up with common sense solutions. Martha you know, so some people say look, unity is not a goal that is achievable. Youre either conservative or youre not and this is Bernie Sanders talking about how he sees the way that he looks at things, which i think is probably very different than the way you and a lot of folks in maine do. Watch this. I sometimes find it amusing when our opponents talk about the far left agenda. Raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. When youre talking but expanding health care to all people as a human right. Making public colleges and universities tuition free, these are not far left ideas. These are common sense ideas that the majority of the American People support and we are going to fight to make sure that there implement it. Martha you know, i think a lot of people would see those as far left ideas, almost socialist ideas. Hes a democratic socialist. Theres a big disconnect here between your party and his par party. Absolutely and i think one of the messages that voters sent was they are rejecting that far left agenda, which includes packing the Supreme Court, defunding our Police Officers and also ending the filibuster, medicare for all, which would decrease the quality and accessibility of health care in this country, cost many of our rural hospitals to close. Those are far left ideas and i know bernie sincerely believes in them, but i think its pretty clear that most of america does not. Martha how are you going to work with mitch mcconnell, the majority leader at least he is now and he hopes he will be after those georgia races if youre going to try to do some things in the middle lane here, he may not be in the mood to do that. He wants to win even more seats in the senate in 2022 and he may not be wanting to compromise on a lot of these things. Well, i dont think we should compromise on the far left agenda that bernie and others are pushing, but i do think there are ways to Work Together on everything from another covid relief bill to deal with the health and economic consequences of the pandemic, to an infrastructure package as i just mentioned, and also making the market more competitive for prescription drugs to help bring down the price. Thats something that we are to martha President Trump is talked a lot about that. Before i let you go, just, you know, im curious about the Amy Coney Barrett vote and if you had known that you were ahead by as much as you won by, would you have supported her . It would have made no difference to me in how i voted, because i said before Ruth Bader Ginsburg died that i felt that we had established a precedent four years ago and to be fair that we should not confirm a Supreme Court justice prior to the election, particularly when it was so close to the election. Its not a comment on her or her qualifications, and let me say i was appalled that some of the anticatholic and antireligious rhetoric that was thrown her w way. So its not a matter of temperament or experience, it was a matter of fairness and playing by the same rules and being consistent. Martha senator Susan Collins, thank you very much. We look forward to talking with you as you work in the senate in the coming sessions. Good to have your tonight, thank you, senator. Thank you, martha. 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Well, look, i think people in america are rightfully concerned about attempts to bring socialism to our nation. Whether it be the dismantling of our economy or defunding the police or concerns about abolishing ice or socialized medicine, people are saying wait a minute, this is not america. America wants to have freedom and liberties and the pursuit of happiness and thats not what the socialist movement represents. So in many ways i think it was a referendum what the socialist squad has been pushing and americans speaking out and saying you know what, we need to counter this and we are going to send people who will fight for our freedoms and ensure that we are the america that we love, not socialist. Martha your family came from cuba and there are several other new members of congress in similar situations in oppressive regimes, we can have pictures like that we can show up on the board here. Honestly that was one of the themes that helped to propel all of you, but heres a tweet from aoc who has, you know, obviously their own squad. She says can we please get people stimulus checks, mortgage relief, rent forgiveness, Small Business support, free testing, hazard pay, health care, or is that too socialist too, she says, what would you say to her . First of all, you look at socialized medicine, what they want to do is take away peoples employerbased health care and they also want to dismantle the coverage that are Senior Citizens are receiving. I mean, medicare is something our Senior Citizens worked very hard for and theyve earned. And if you want to spread that across everyone, its going to diminish the quality of care, but more importantly they specifically said they want to dismantle the United States economy. They want to defund the police. They want to abolish i. C. E. And open our borders. They want to stack the court. They want to change the election laws to eliminate any type of voter i. D. Or any types of checks and balances. They want sameday registration. You know, all of that are threats to our democracy. [indiscernible]. Martha youre the only republican member of congress from new york city, a city of 8. 4 million people. Has one republican representative, and thats you and you ran against bill de blasio in 2017 for mayor. On curious what you think about how that is going. I mean, i look outside the window here, half of new york city more than half is completely shut down. Look, this city has gone way too far to the left under the leading leadership of boccacciocortez. We need to restore law and order. Weve got to rollback these wacky laws that theyve passed that have made us less safe, lead to crime increases in the city. We also need to work to reopen our economy. We know more about the virus then we did six months ago. There is a vaccine close to us now. We need to ensure that we reopen safely, get people back to work and of course, you know, this mayor has got to be a little more reasonable. Hes hammering Small Businesses, hitting them with inspections and violations, driving them out of business and as a result driving the middleclass out of new york city. So all of that needs to be addressed i hope, is the only republican that they will listen to what i have to say is well as i provide a very important counter view. Martha its going to be interesting to see your own squad develop and to see the two sides go headtohead with very different ideas on the hill. I think its good for americans to have a lot of fierce debate on capitol hill over all these issues. Good to have you with us and congratulations on your successful election. Nicole malliotakis, good to see her tonight. So there is growing talks joe biden will make history by appointing the first female secretary of defense. But his top contender has a bit of a complicated history of her own, specifically when it comes to afghanistan and how she would handle china. Were going to talk about her views with general jack keane, who will tell us what he thinks next. Is a good with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. False alarm. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. And mines unlisted. Try boost® high protein. With 20 grams of protein for Muscle Health versus only 16 grams in ensure® high protein. And now enjoy boost® high protein in cafe mocha flavor. Here . Nah. Introducing the all new chevy trailblazer. Here . Nope. Here. When the middle of nowhere, is somewhere. The all new chevy trailblazer. Making lifes journey, just better. Martha President Trump acting on one marked campaign promise, before president elect biden takes office. If hes bringing troops home. The president planning to withdraw troops from both iraq and afghanistan to a new low just 2500 in each country before january 20th. Speculation president elect biden could announce his nomination for the first female secretary of defense, a rather hawkish democrat who is helped build up our president presence in afghad then infuriate some on the left. Joining now, chairman of the institute of war and the fox news senior analyst. General, good to have you with us and thank you for being here tonight. I know shes a person you respect and a name that youve brought up to us in the past. Someone whos really highly qualified. She does become joe biden secretary of defense, would you expect that she would reverse these moves and afghanistan and put troops back on the ground there . First of all, were not taking troops out of afghanistan, were holding a 2500 something we expected what happened last week. Secondly, the Biden Administration already flagged that they believe theyre going to keep a residual force in afghanistan. I think this number may complement it but thats not based on any analysis. The Troop Commander and afghanistan, who is as good as weve ever had, would have to do the analysis on what the requirements are. The last time he did a detailed analysis, it was 4500. This force goes below that but its not based on his analysis, based on policy makers decisions in washington, d. C. I think they will look at it and analyze and make their own judgment. But i suspect that what the president is doing is kicking the can down the road for the next a administration to make the final decision on troop deployments to afghanistan. Tucker clearly, you dont like the choosing of an arbitrary number in rather have it based on the general on the ground in terms of what it means to maintain stability there. Do you think that michelle flora would be someone based on what you know about her and her in her way of approaching these things who would increase it to the General Number . Theres much i know about her, that she is very knowledgeable and experienced. I was deeply involved in afghanistan and iraq helping the generals are and i debrief there a number of times on what my assessment were. Universally, every kiss that im aware of, she had supported our commanders in iraq and afghanistan. So, she understands whats taken place. Shes working for president elect biden, or President Biden if he comes our president s, he will drive policy just like President Trumps driving policy in his administration that something that we always have to consider. Martha just very quick minute here while ive got you, not much time, but joe biden with regard to china. When he be as aggressive on technology, on the military expansion, on all the expansion that china is pursuing right now . Thailand, hong kong, what about that . They agree that china is a threat to American Security with big power competitions going on. Much as the trump team does, think itll be more consolatory and less confrontational. Work with china on the pandemic, climate change, compete with china economically. It likely, in terms of Technology Development as well. But confronted china a military expansion. Intimate to intimidating allies in making a look at a new trade deal. Its the way it will be. Martha do you think it will be wise or do you think we should put more pressure on china . I think the issue, martha, great question. We do not know the specifics because theres hardly discussion of foreign policy. Its so shameful, to be frank about it given the importance of the issues. But i think what we will see is they are going to have to get their feet on the ground. That this is not the china they knew four years ago. They are going to have to make some assessments. If they lean toward appeasement of china, which is where biden and obama where, that would be a mistake and i think it will be a blunder. I hope we do not see that. Martha thank you so much, general, good to seo. Thank you, general. Monday, november 16th, we will see you back here tonight. Thank you for being with us tonight. Good night. Tucker good evening, and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. By this point youve heard about problems with Voting Machines on very election day. Youve heard claims of massive fraud, millions of ballots changed from donald trump to joe biden. If youre on the internet you know what were talking about. The question, is it true . Was their massive fraud . Is a very serious charge that every american should be considering. We took a close look at that story and we will have the results of that for you in just a minute. But first, you may have noticed america is locking down again in some places thats already happening. If you have