Transcripts For FOXNEWSW The Story With Martha MacCallum 20200818

Show and his powerful speech, despite a weak economy, helps to put president obama over the t top. President obama started with a much weaker economy than i did. Listen to me now. No president , no president , not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. Bret that was a very big moment back then but that was then and this is now. As democrats battle for the white house, in a nowtightening president ial race. Good evening, everybody. I martha maccallum. This is the story tonight as we get ready for night two, Television Viewership was down all of 30 , the same back in 2016, the show was about half an taped. We expect about the same balance this evening. The president today took us white back at the attacks leveled against him last night. As you know better than anyone, the survival of our nation is at stake in this election. Tell me, when you hear a divisive speech, they talk about me as being a divider. Im not a divider, we were bringing people together. Martha new polling shows President Trump is running ahead of his 2016 performance in some of the top battleground states. We are going to show you those numbers. Hogan gidley joins me in momus, bill hemmer, host of campaigns that made us. You and me . How you doing, martha . Martha im good, bill. You look great in washington, d. C. I will take you back six months ago, precovid, right . Early february, in the state of iowa. Joe biden finished in fourth place that night. Normally that will be the death of a campaign. A week later we were in New Hampshire, six months ago, joe biden finished fifth that night. It was only at the end of february down here in South Carolina, saturday night, february 29th where joe biden just swept the field and now it has been his stage ever since. Its important to remember that. If you think about how we got to this stage at this point, you lose iowa, you lose New Hampshire, leave New Hampshire before the ballots are even in and win South Carolina and youre on the table. How does donald trump, then, get a second term in the white house . 270 is your number, these are all the states we think are locked in, everything in gray we think is a tossup right now. Say texas is not as blue as they think. Give that to trump, give georgette a trump as well. What did he do four years ago that he needs to do again . Hes not a thread that needle. He won florida by about a point, North Carolina by three and a half, ohio by seven and a half. You mentioned battleground arizona. They are today, if he can hold that stage, 253, iowa a bit early today, and is not at the number 270. Upper midwest where our focus was yet again, wisconsin, minnesota. If you were to hold on to wisconsin he would still be one vote shy. If he were to flip minnesota, rather, he would still be one vote shy. So this is the scenario we started throwing here. What i havent talked about is pennsylvania. So many times, martha, we are going to keep coming back to pennsylvania, 20 electoral votes, that seems to be the key for trump or biden to get victory in 2020. Toward the end of august is when we find ourselves, Democratic Convention followed by republicans next week and look what you get six weeks from tonight, that is debate number one between biden and trump in whatever form that takes as of now in cleveland, ohio. Thats the lay of the land, my lady. Martha great to see you, bill. Weve got an exciting several weeks ahead, looking at that electoral map, it is very tight. My thanks to bill hemmer. Hogan gidley, good to have you with us tonight. Obviously this is looking like a very tight race and to the polls have been tightening in recent weeks. I want to play a Little Something from Michelle Obama last night talking about getting out the vote, this is one of the most impactful moments of her speech and obviously one of the biggest goals of that speech, watch this. We have got to vote like we did in 2008 and 2012. Weve got to show up with the same level of passion and hope for joe biden. Weve got to vote early, in person if we can. Weve got to request our mailin ballots right now, tonight, and send them back immediately. And followup to make sure they were seen and make sure our friends and families do the sa same. Martha hogan, obviously, get out the vote effort really received as a pretty strong speech last night . Your thoughts . Speak of this campaign built something that gets, frankly, the envy of the entire political universe. Our ads on television, we expect that to pull us through to the end, not to mention we sure of the best candidate, the best message, the best work ethic, by far the best result. Lets be clear, joe biden has a 50 year career of failure in elected office. So much so that his own boss for eight years barack obama who knows him pretty well at this point tried to talk him out over running for president two times. Obviously it didnt work this past time but when you look at the record of failure, what you see is a complete dereliction of duty as it relates to the American People, the american worker, the american middle class. His decision on nafta, 850,000 jobs, three and a half million jobs directly away from American Workers and over to china. Thats the difference. And why this president , donald trump has gone around the country during this Democratic Convention. He had to go to minnesota, had to go to wisconsin, had to go to arizona and pennsylvania later in the week because he knows, if he gets his message out, it resonates in the people are going to remember, although recordsetting successes and recordsetting time. Martha obviously there is a very big contrast, we see joe biden it out on the campaign trail, President Trump packing in two states, three states in a day going to these battleground states that bill hemmer just wanted to. One of the things thats interesting is that Michelle Obamas get out the vote effort, we need to vote like we voted back in 2012 and 2008. 7 decline in the africanamerican vote in 2016. She is appealing obviously to suburban women, all the people that her voice resonates with. I think its interesting that alicalex johnson is on the listr the rnc. Absolutely. I understand people love Michelle Obamas speech but neither Michelle Obama nor barack obama are on the ticket. Sadly for the democrats, its joe biden. Tonights theme is about leadership. They had to be clear, the leadership that democrats were talking about, that kind of leadership allows unknown, rabid antisemite, to speak to the American People, john kerry, and admitted that money would probably be used against americans in acts of terrorism and the leadership that doesnt exist in democrat cities, that have been allowed to evolve for the lawlessness with death and destruction, burning churches, turning federal buildings, all of these cities have been controlled by democrats through decades. None of that was mentioned. In fact, they didnt even mention the two words joe biden did for the last two full hours of the thing. Every time he pops out of the heidi hole. A serious problem for democrats. Martha talking about the election, the post office, all of that. The only way we are going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that. Martha why does he mean by that . We believe if there is a free and fair election, donald trump wins this thing. Democrats are suing in ten states for votes to be counted legally after the a day of the election, that is unacceptable. Universal mailin ballots are a complete and utter failure and thats one of the reasons we are trying to express to the American People. You want to vote absentee, do it. You want to vote early, do it but universal mailin voting is a complete disaster and the democrats know it, they are rooting for chaos because they know chaos is the only way they can win. Martha in new jersey, the universal mailin ballots, i applied for my absentee ballot, are they going to cross me off the other list . Thats a great question. It would be really nice if you could ask joe biden or Kamala Harris those questions but they wont face the media at all like this president will, not even close. Martha we hope that will happen soon. Hogan gidley, thank you. Thanks for being here tonight. Ties between the 2016 Trump Campaign and russia finally released today. Its 900 pages, theres a lot of interesting stuff in there. Trey gowdy has been going through all of it. He will be here on that. Also on the news that broke today that u. S. Attorney john durham will sit down with former cia director john brennan at the end of this week. For this for a long time. They will, but with accident forgiveness allstate wont raise your rates just because of an accident, even if its your fault. Cut sonny. Was that good . Line the desert never lies. Isnt that what i said . No you were talking about allstate and insurance. I just. When i. Lets try again. Everybody back to one. Accident forgiveness from allstate. Click or call for a quote today. Where Everybody Knows someyour name ant to go and theyre always glad you came applebees. Now thats eating good in the neighborhood. I am totally blind. And non24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442142424. Find your getupandgo. 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The senate panel did not conclude that there was any collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia. Congressional correspondent mike emanuel has the story for us from washington. Hi, mike. Good evening, Senate Intelligence with a nearly 1,000 page report on interactions between the Trump Campaign and russian intelligence. The Committee Found that Paul Manaforts presence on the campaign created opportunities for Russian Intelligence Services to create influence over and acquire confidential information on the campaign. The Intelligence Panel also not pulling any punches about the role played by russias Vladimir Putin, writing the Committee Found that russian president Vladimir Putin ordered the russian effort to hack Computer Networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president. Acting Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman marco rubio offering this conclusion. We can say without any hesitation that the Committee Found absolutely no evidence that thencandidate donald trump or his campaign colluded with the russian government to meddle in the 2016 election. The panels top democrat says the report was thorough and called the findings troubling. I believe the russians clearly had a preference for donald trump, i think the Trump Campaign was looking for dirt on Hillary Clinton and i think there was an unprecedented level of communication. The thencampaign manager Paul Manafort shares insider Campaign Information with a russian intelligence official, thats not good for anybody. Senate intelligence invested a great deal of time and energy, interviewing more than 200 witnesses, interviewing more than 1 million pages of documents getting the bottom of russias efforts to drive a wedge in the u. S. And how the Intelligence Community handle the sensitive issues. Martha . Martha joining me now, trey gowdy, former House Oversight committee chair, Fox News Contributor and offer of th author of the new book out today, doesnt hurt to ask. Good to see you tonight, congratulations on the book and thanks for joining us. This is a very interesting report, going through it. With regard to what it says about Paul Manafort and his interactions with a say was indeed affiliated as some sort of russian agent, what you say about that . Paul manafort is not go to guy, hes right where he should be. The Trump Campaign probably wishes they had vetted him more but he did what he did for money, thats the oldest motive known to man. He was cashstraps, so hes showing internal poles for himself, not to help donald trump at to help himself so i congratulate senate intel, they worked hard on it but in terms of takeaways when youre talking about a ukrainian or russian whose name we can barely pronounce, that is not the narrative weve been fed over the last four years, that trump colluded with russia. There is no evidence of that and keep in mind what marco said. Marco didnt say there is insufficient evidence, we couldnt prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. No evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia. Martha you got two exhaustive, multiyear investigations that both came to the same conclusion. The Mueller Report and the senate intel report which were independent and have the exact same findings. The fbi was flawed according to the report when it came to their handling of the steele dossier and how seriously they took it and what they used it to achieve. I think there are three main takeaways after the last four years, russia is not our friend and on that every american should agree, they are not our friend. Number two, there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia and number three, the worlds premier Law Enforcement agency continues to not meet our basic expectations. It is one thing, martha, to use information that has not been vetted. Its another thing to use information you know is unreliable, you know it is not accurate, and still continue to use it. This is jim comeys problem but quite frankly it has become chris wrays problem, he was warned by paul, i bob goodlatte, you can be part of the cleanup crew or part of the coverup crew and there are more things coming out with the Durham Report to show the fbis primary concern is its own reputation. Martha what about john brennan . We understand that john durham will be interviewing him, thats where they used used, this friday. I know its this week. If you say friday i trust you, your sources are probably better than mine. Congratulations to john durham forgetting a key person to sit down and congratulations on doing it in the right order. You need documents before you interview witnesses. John brennan has been around a long time, you need documents to hand to him and say, what did you mean in late 2015 . What did you mean in 2016, what are your notes mean, your handwritten notes . Documents are great, john durham is a good prosecutor. I just want to find out what happened in 2016 to create this cloud our country has been living under. Martha i will never forget before the Mueller Report came out, john brennan with a totally straight face said there are indictments coming down. And then the next day, i guess i was misled. He was right about one thing, there was an indictment. There have been more fbi employees indicted than members of the trump family. I hope the Dnc Convention tonight addresses that, more fbi employees than members of the trump family, let the Washington Post reported that. Martha how do i use the power of questions to communicate, connect, and persuade . You are great at it. I will send you a book anyway but people want to be heard, they want to win the next conversation whether its asking for a promotion or dealing with your brotherinlaw. Learning questions is an acquired arable talent, i was terrible when i started in the courtroom, you can become good at asking the right questions and the right order, you can be really persuasive with the way that you ask questions. I want to help people make their case. Martha the most epic videos have been you questioning people and there is such power to learning the art of that. It doesnt hurt to ask, good to see you. Thank you so much for being there tonight. 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Id like to start by playing a sound bite from last nights convention. From Michelle Obama which is no doubt something we are going to hear quite a bit more of during. Watch this. Kids in this country are seeing what happens when we stop requiring empathy of one anoth another. They watched in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into the cages and pepper spray and rubber bullets are used on Peaceful Protesters for a photo op. Martha how do you respond to that, commissioner . I tell you, its outrageous. Let me clear a couple things up, to provide facts for your listeners. Those socalled cages she referred to, lets make clear, those socalled cages were built in 201415 under the Obama Administration and i object to the use of the word cages as well. Those facilities were designed to take the overcrowded facilities that were never designed for children and families into a facility that was brandnew, thousands of square feet so we can better care for those families and kids and at that time, again built under the Obama Administration, they were allotted as an absolute great thing. And to talk, we are still talking about these individuals being Peaceful Protesters. Again, thats just not true. Thats absolutely mischaracterizing whats happening. If you zero bullets going in a direction, i guarantee its because that protester has now become a violent criminal opportunist, thats a fact and thats the truth. Martha the pictures of children in cages as they put it actually dated back to the obama years that were being used by some media during the course of this story. This is joe biden back in 2006 speaking to the South Carolina, South Carolina rotary club, watch this. Unlike most democrats, we can build things 40 stories high, change the dynamic in mexico. Martha today the biden camp says that they acknowledge that sound bite but they say that now he feels that it would address the issues here, having an immigration discussion based on fact. Your thoughts . Biden back then was right and the president today is right. The wall as you announced, tremendous achievement of 300miles of wall system being built and that is not just about illegal immigration, martha. That wall system increases our capability to stop drugs, for example, poured into this country that kill tens of thousands of americans every single year, gives the ability to stop gangs from coming into this country like the most violent, prolific gang weve ever seen in this country that use machetes to hack up their victims and leave them decapitated. It gives us the ability operationally to improve our capability to stop criminal aliens from entering this country, violent criminal passed to stop them reoffending more american victims. What mr. Biden said back then is the truth and what President Trump is saying today is the truth and we and administration that understands the threat and understands that Border Security is National Security and open borders will not protect this country. Martha what is your field for the political state right now in arizona . The president won of the state by three points last time around and heres the look of the senate race right now which is very tight between Martha Mcsally who was appointed after the death of john mccain, senator john mccain, and mark kelly. Hes got a pretty sizable lead according to that real clear average. I leave the political predictions up to the professional pollsters as the acting commissioner but what i can tell you, i believe that regardless of your political beliefs, Everyone Wants to feel safe and secure in their communities, in their home, in their sidewalks. They believe in the rule of law and dont believe in lawlessness, weve got to have it administration and president to understands that, if you look at whats going on in the border right now, america because of this present administration and the great men and women, we are better off, the health, safety and security of this country is better off today than we were three and a half years ago. Martha thank you very much. Mark morgan, acting commissioner of u. S. Customs and Border Protection joining us tonight. Thank you, sir. Thanks martha. Martha coming up, Greater New York black lives matter leader first made headlines on this story when we had this discussion. 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The president should consider carefully declaring black lives matter a domestic terrorist organization. They were basically engaged in stealing. This is an Illegal Organization and it was intent to overthrow our government. Martha president and cofounder of black lives matter of Greater New York which is its own individual organization. Thank you for being here tonight. First of all, lets start with your reaction to what the former mayor of new york city had to say last night. Its funny, you phrase it, the former mayor of new york city and the reason its funny is because nobody liked Rudy Giuliani as a mayor. There were actually high tshirts tale sales, 9 11 happed and he handled it with class and he became a national figure. What has mayor giuliani done since nine elevenths except run his mouth . How has Rudolph Giuliani benefited america . This mans children dont even like him. Martha i dont want to make it personal. He is nothing but a blowhard who runs his mouth. Martha to be fair it is personal when you talk about him because he is trying to define peaceful, sometimes, most of the time Peaceful Protesters is terrorist. If he wanted to talk about terrorism he would talk about the kkk, who is responsible for bloodshed over hundreds of years. And martha understood, that was terrorism and i hear what youre saying. I also want to point out, i dont want to get personal about Rudy Giuliani and his family, doesnt get us anywhere. But there were a lot of people who thought he was a very good mayor and especially as he pointed out after 9 11, be that as it may. The thing is hes talking about mothers and fathers who are out there protesting. Hes talking about black people and white people out there fighting for our rights of every human being. Of equity, for human rights and hes calling us terrorists. Martha i think he was talking about people who lose to andrew and the businesses, people who built them for years and years and i just want to play one sound bite. Who is calling us terrorists . The American Government. Martha i understand that you have who is calling us terrorists . Martha youre saying, its okay to steal and dilute because of those other things happened that were also bad. I want to play this, ariel atkins, black lives matter chicago talking about looting. I dont care if somebody decides to loot a gucci or a macys or a nike because that makes sure that that person eats. That make sure that person has closed. Thats reparations. That is reparations. Martha do you agree with ariel atkins on that . Well, we are moving on past Rudy Giuliani and moving into looting and a form of reparation. Let me be very careful and id appreciate if you let me speak. Lets be very careful. The problem with oppression and White Supremacy is, White Supremacy will have you criticizing the oppressed and worshiping the oppressors. Now, if you want to talk to me about reparations, nothing fall short of a solution other than people cutting a check. If you want to do something about reparations, cut the check. We are not talking about going in every day americans pockets, we are talking about banks like Brown Brothers who benefited from slavery. Other Insurance Companies that sold insurance policies on. Martha i asked you a question, in fairness. The American Government martha i listen to you and i want you to answer my questions. I asked you a question. Do you think im telling you. Thats what im telling you. Martha do you think, do you agree that its okay to go in and break the windows of gucci or macys or nikes because it make sure that person eats and has closed. That was my question to you, is that ethically okay to you . Is a . Okay, okay. Before i answer that i want to ask you this, do you think its okay that america kills people in their homes like Breonna Taylor and our politicians dont do anything about it. Martha of course i dont think thats okay. Im trying to have a conversation. No one thinks thats okay. Thats why you have twothirds of america, they dont ever want to see Police Brutality in our country. You are not answering my question which is whether or not its okay to destroy peoples livelihoods because you deserve the stuff thats in the broken window, okay . Theres two different issues here. Do you think its okay for our country, do you think its okay for our country to profit off the backs of and to pay reparations and deny black people reparations quest must be when you are having a circular conversation. You dont want to answer questions about looting and stealing. Hopefully we can have a conversation where we can actually answer each others questions. Thank you very much for coming in. 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Correspondent peter doocy takes us through bidens rocky road to get where he is tonight. Peter. Martha, good evening. Joe biden made a big gamble today at the New Hampshire primary. Things were not looking good for him. He had finished fourth place in iowa so before polls close that day New Hampshire, he up and left and flew to South Carolina. Remember, when everybody talks about how everybody won in florida. Clinton lost the first nine events. Won one. 1 of 9, went on to win the nomination. The rest of the nation is out there. Bernie sanders won New Hampshire and then nevada but then biden won in South Carolina big and thats when rivals started dropping out ahead of super tuesday to help biden stop sanders, feeling that a democratic socialist could not win the general. Just a few days ago, the press and the pundits declared this campaign dead. But South Carolina has come to Say Something about it. Biden didnt run four years ago but later said he regretted not running in 2016 every day. 2020 is his third president ial campaign. In 2008, he dropped out iowa caucus night after a poor showing there in 1988 he dropped out even earlier, derailed by a plagiarism scandal. He thought about running it 84 but never sent in the paperwork and now at 77, hes about to be the nominee. In the 2010 midterm cycle he traveled the country on the campaign trail trying to help other democrats get elected andg the favor, trying to help him remotely. Martha. Thank you, peter. Lets bring in karl rove, former deputy chief of staff under george w. Bush. Marc thiessen, American Enterprise scholar. Juan williams, cohost of the five. Great to have you with us. Its amazing when you look at the process and the incredibly Diverse Group of candidates that democrats were very excited about. This was the time joe biden finally gets his crack at actually being the nominee. I would agree with you in so many ways because i think its a moment when you see an increase in the number of democrats who self identify as liberal. Its about half the party. Its never been that high. Typically the party was principally constituted of moderates and democrats. So now here comes a moderate democrat representing a party thats increasingly liberal. I think thats a reflection of the feeling that, especially among the younger people, that they wish the party was more aggressive in its response to donald trump. Martha karl, what do you see . Tonight were going going to see jimmy carter, john kerry, and a 60second nod to aoc. She got what she wanted which was 150 pages of policy papers that push the democratic agenda and the democratic platform to the left. Shes got to be happy. Maybe she wants more time but she got what she really needed and wanted which was the platform. What was interesting last night was joe biden is not donald trump. Donald trump is a disaster, and joe biden is not donald trump. Tonight i suspect we are going to see that repeated by saying joe biden is not donald trump when it comes to leadership. Donald trump is a disaster. At some point is going to have to be more of what joe biden wants to do in the future. Maybe thats tomorrow night with Kamala Harris and the platform. Maybe its thursday night. It has to be thursday night. Itll be interesting to see when we stop from the argument being simply im not donald trump, im joe biden. And starting to flesh out what joe biden really is. Martha great point. At some point in the campaign and has to become about what you are not and offering people on alternative mark and giving the American People and understanding of what the future looks like if youre the president of the United States. The problem is thats not whats motivating democratic voters. They are not for joe biden. They are against donald trump. If you look at the polls, trump voters would walk over broken glass to vote for him they are so enthusiastic about donald trump. The democratic voters, they might not even get out of their beds. They mail in ballots. They have negative enthusiasm. They want to get rid of donald trump. They are not for joe biden. Theres a reason why this night is 50 years in the making. Joe biden came to washington in 1972 when i was 5 years old. He started making about running when Ronald Reagan was president of the United States and he finally got the nomination. Why . Hes useful to the left. They see him as their trojan horse, hes a nice moderate, reasonable bipartisan vessel. Inside is hiding an army of socialists. As they get to the white house gates theyre going to take over the country. This is what he says nominee. Its not because joe biden has a vision. Its because joe biden is a useful vessel the left. Martha i think about incumbents who lost me think about Ronald Reagan and bill clinton. Huge personalities who were so dynamic could change their party. You think about people who sort of, it was their turn. Hillary clinton, you got john mccain, mitt romney in that category, bob dole in that category. That has not historically ended well even though hes had in the polls right now. Right, but you have a moment now. Listening to what karl and mark were saying, i think youve got it to put in context. You have a country in which most of the people think the country is headed in the wrong direction, martha. People are very concerned about the virus, but the economy, about racism and think that the record of the incumbent is a record of failure. You have people looking for an alternative and as a result, this election has become a referendum about donald trump. Of course donald trump takes the air out of the room. Talk about big personalities. Hes a big personality, dominant in terms of the new cycles and i think people react to him. I dont think that necessarily means anything bad about joe biden. People know joe biden. Remember trump has tried to paint him as some kind of radical or puppet of the left. Martha he calls himself he said i would be the most progressive president ever. Its what joe biden said. He could be more progressive but even john kasich said last night that he thinks that joe bidens nobodys puppet. Im amazed that juan is citing john kasich as the definitive statement. Im telling you. Martha all right, we will have more time to talk later. Gentlemen, thank you all. Great to see you tonight. That is the story of tuesday, august 182020. The story continues. See you at 10 00 tonight for our special coverage. Bret baier and i will be there for night two of the Democratic National convention coming coming up. See you then. Tucker good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. Day two of the Democratic National convention will start shortly. Tonight former president bill clinton, alexandria ocasiocortez, sandy, will speak. That ought to be worth watching. Well have live coverage of all that throughout the night right here o on fox news. Turns out that only two kinds of people in the world, those who enjoy mandatory Corporate Diversity seminars and those who dont. If you find yourself in the former category, you must have loved last nights Democratic Convention. The preachy selfrighteousness, the condescension, the shameless lying