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Fact, happen tweeting it had been reported that Robert Mueller is saying that he did not apply an interview for the job as the fbi director and get turned down. The day before he was wrongfully appointed the special counsel. I hope he doesnt say that under oath that was interesting in the light of day this evening as well. All of this as the white house is taking the fight to congress issuing a scathing letter to democrats calling the impeachment inquiry constitutionally invalid and essentially daring nancy pelosi to hold a vote to make it official. And, until she does, the Trump Administration says they will not cooperate. Eric trump standing by with the reaction to all of these very big breaking news developments tonight, including a report that the whistleblower theres more, at the center of this whole thing according to these new reports in the Washington Examiner had some kind of professional relationship at some point with one of the 2020 democratic candidates. So that doesnt smell too good either at this point. So first lets go to Gillian Turner live in washington with more on the white houses latest impeachment puckback tonight. Good evening gillian. Good evening, martha. Breaking now the white house sending a scathing letter laying out all their reasons for denying documents and witnesses House Committee investigating President Trump. The letter is from white House Counsel Pat Cipollone and its addressed to nancy pelosi as well as house intelligence Foreign Affairs and year Sight Committee chairs. The letter first lays out flaws in the democrats impeachment inquiry then drops this bomb at the bottom of page 2. Quote President Trump and his administration reject your baseless, unconstitutional efforts to overturn the democratic process. In order to fulfill his duties to the American People, the constitution, the executive branch and all future occupants of the white house of the presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances. Now the core of the complaint cipollone lays out is that house dems are violating the rule of law, the constitution, and past precedent set by impeachment procedures under democrats and republicans. The letter lays out a whole laundry list of accusations including denying President Trumps fundamental right to crossexamine and call witnesses, to receive transcripts of testimony, access evidence, and have counsel present. Cipollone then adds you have conducted your proceedings in secret and are actively threatening executive branch officials. Now, this letter also singles out adam schiff whose staff met with the whistleblower prior to them filing their complaint. The letter doubles down on President Trumps own criticism of schiff, namely that he read a falsified version of the transcript of the trum trumpzelensky phone call now at the center of this entire impeachment inquiry. The letter wraps up democrats doing all of this to undo the results of the 2016 president ial election. Martha. Martha gillian, thank you very much. Joining me now on set on the story here in new york eric trump. Good to have you here. Thanks for coming in tonight. Good to be here. Martha lets go through these one by one. Whats your reaction to the news john durham has asked to expand the investigation. He needs more agents. He has a longer time frame than they originally thought when they started this whole thing. Im reading it just like you are. Thats never a good time for them. Right . You only need more agents if one things happens. I have never seen dirtiness like this my entire life. They have been trying to impeach my father since before he took office. You had 70 members of congress coming out and saying we must impeach donald trump, right . Then they went through the whole russia investigation and that fell on its face. Then they tried to do the same with Brett Kavanaugh and that fell on its face. And then they come out and nancy pelosi and adam schiff, right, before they even release the transcript of the call and we must investigate based on this whistleblower. And then they release the transcript and there is nothing in the transcript. So its now we must call witnesses. Martha this is going to backfire on these guys so badly. You know what . If they dont impeach this whole thing has been a sham. If they do impeach, then, guess what . They get to call every single person. They get to call joe biden. They get to call hunter biden, they get to call rudy giuliani. They get to call the ukrainian prosecutor and they get to call every other person who is involved in this rampant corruption thats nonsense. The democrats know they cant win in 2020. You see that with our fundraising numbers. You will see it on thursday in minneapolis when there is 50,000 people in our arena. They know they cant win. They have already through when whole hoax knocked out their number one candidate which was joe biden. I mean, they have literally taken out their frontrunner. Martha its interesting. Because obviously nancy pelosi political instincts going down this road for a very long time. It appears that she got sort of nudged in that direction. And now she sort of has this thing that she has to decide what to do with and i think its perfectly reasonable. You saw the letter from the white house that the white house is saying at this point that unless you have a vote and have you official impeachment inquiry. President and nixon situation. You cant expect to give a letter and send our people in, it wouldnt be doing justice. They know these people are going to be crossexamined. They know their people are going to be put on the stand and by the way thats where the fraud is perpetrated. Its been perpetrated for years. Why doesnt joe biden release every single call he has had with the president of ukraine and Vice President of ukraine. Martha the precedent has been set for that to be requested. I think that should come out. This corruption in d. C. Is unbelievable. Again, my father we have the greatest economy in the history of this country. Our country is doing phenomenally well. The democrats are trying to do everything they can to distract against the fact that we have 3. 5 unemployment, the lowest unemployment in the history of this nation. He has done an unbelievable job, martha. This is i keep on calling it its an absolute clown show. This is a clown show because they know they dont have any people left to run against my father in 2020. They know they are going to lose. Nancy pelosi jumped the gun. She doesnt know what to do at this point. They are floundering in the wind. And honestly i think if they keep this up, i think its guaranteeing my father reelection. The fundraising numbers we have coming in right now are out of control. Martha we see that and we have been reporting those numbers as well. Just a couple other things on these items tonight. Robert mueller said we he testified that he was not interviewing for that position. Now have you got this contradictory report that says he was and that Rod Rosenstein had spoken to him the day before he went in to speak to your father. He says he was talking to him sort of about the parameters of the job and giving advice on finding someone. Rosenstein said, according to this report, he talked to him the day before about becoming special counsel. On the one hand interviewing for a new job. And if that doesnt work out he will investigate the same person that he is talking to about the job. Goes back to that corruption. Again, i have never seen anything like it. By the way, if that was a republican sitting in his spot, muellers spot, thats called perjury. They would be going after the person and try to throw them in jail because they lied in front of congress and they did. This you know what . I guarantee you they never even speak of it again after this show they will probably never even talk about that. If that was me in that chair you dont think think would be prosecuted for lying to congress . Were you or were you not interviewing for the head of the fbi . He got that answer wrong. Could you imagine if that was me, martha . Could you imagine if i was hunter biden and i took 1. 5 billion from the chinese. Could you imagine if i got 50,000 a month from a ukrainian gas company. Do you know what else is going to come out which i find is interesting. Pelosis son is also on the board of a gas company that did a tremendous amount of business in the ukraine . Why isnt anything coming out about that . It seems to me that all these democratic kids are on the boards of all these gas companies. You know which is really interesting because if you look at the u. S. They wont let us drill for oil and gas in new york. They wont let us do it in pennsylvania. They try and stop it every turn. So its okay to drill for oil and gas in the ukraine. Its okay for kids to sit on boards of ukrainian companies, but when we try to do it here in the u. S. Its the green new deal. The hypocrisy is incredible. They are okay for drilling for oil and gas when their kids are on the board making millions and millions of dollars. Martha i know you wrote an editorial about this just the other day that your family has made money since the president was elected off of the Trump International hotel in new york. Indonesia project. People push back and say you are also making money off of being the president s son. You know what . We got out of business when my father became commanderinchief. The difference is all of these other kids were getting in to business when their parents took positions. I can tell you we knew all the Hedge Fund Managers in new york. We know all of these powerful people. China gives no one any money. You cant get two cents out of china. Yet, hunter biden who gets kicked out of the navy who has bad drug problems and a lot of other scandals gets 1. 5 billion in china. Miraculously put on the board industry he knows nothing about. No duties. Doesnt speak the language . Give me a break. The average income in this country is about 50,000 a year, right . Average. He is making 50,000 a month sitting on the board of a company not doing anything. You dont think people can read through it . Why do you think Nancy Pelosis son is on the board of an oil and gas company . Come on. Martha there is no doubt that there have been a lot of families who have benefited politically from their family members positions in washington and end up on these boards and i think its a very legitimate question to raise about what their background was and what constitutes their ability to advise these boards based on their back grounds . Its a very legitimate question. China says they are not interested in looking. They were paying people off. Martha if this impeachment process continues there will be more questions about what happened in china than there would have been. Lets put them all on the stand. Lets put joe biden and hunter on the stand. They are nowhere to be found. Martha this is one tweet that your dad sent out, the president , mr. Trump, said that i think Hillary Clinton should enter the race and steal it away from uber left Elizabeth Warren. Only one condition the crooked one must explain all her high crimes and misdemeanors and including how and why she deleted 33,000 emails after getting a subpoena. Hillary clinton responded after that with this dont tempt me. Do her job. Interesting. I would love to see her run again. Martha sounds like the president would love to see her run again too. Its amazing. By the way another person who perjured themselves and committed massive amounts of crimes who never and i for it and believe me if i deleted 33,000 emails and not being in government, i would be in jail right now. And its a shame that there is a double standard in this country and believe me, the people of this country see through it. And thats why you are going to see 50,000 in an arena in minnesota in another couple days. Martha thats another thing before i let did you go. 500,000 they are charging the campaign for security . Is that going to happen . Are you going to pay that money . Thats interesting. The mayor of minneapolis charged obama, i think it was 26,000. Martha 26,000. For the exact same arena. These are the games that these people play and people see through it and its ridiculous. We are going to fight it and martha we are going to win. My father has done unbelievable job for this country and he will keep it going. This is a distraction. We are going to win this thing begin and the American People are going to speak and this is just pure act of desperation to say the least. Martha we will be watching. Eric trump, nice to see you here. Coming up next, the Administration Today holding top secret level briefings on the decision to pull back troops from northern syria. Is the president , perhaps, changing his mind or moving a bit on this issue . General jack keane joins me coming up with where the white house may be headed next on this issue after this. Hear you sister. 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How do you think this situation is evolving what do you think. I think it is evolving. I think its unfortunate that we were not unequivocal with the erdogan and his regime about a military incursion into syria and particularly targeted against the kurds who are obviously our partners in defeating isis clearly now erdogan is being told in no Uncertain Terms that the United States would unleash severe sanctions on him as a result of our military incursion that does harm and i dont know any military incursion that wouldnt do harm so thats number one also the congress of the United States is going to impose that and i think nato will have something to say about it as well. There is universal condemnation of the fact that right now as we speak the Turkish Military is massing on the turkish syrian border. Clearly, the syrian kurds are going to be in the beaten zone here. Two other concerns, martha, one we still have troops obviously in northeastern syria as do the brits and as do the french and we are attempting to move them out of harms way so theyre not caught in between this conflict the other thing is not talked about too much are the thousands of detainees, isis detainees that we. Have a and they are not up against the border. They are further did you know south. And the syrian kurds, to defend themselves against the military incursion are not going to stay guarding detainees. They are going to leave that and move to the point where they can protect their families and their way of life. And, therefore, thousands of these detainees, 200 of them are the worse of the worse, we run the risk of them being left back into the general population of eastern syria, which would be an absolute recipe for disaster. Martha seems that the president was frustrated with the europeans for not taking some of these people back. He doesnt necessarily want the responsibility of overseeing these camps full of kurds and, you know, read reports about bombmaking pamphlets that are making the rounds in these camps and very strong ideology, which has not dissipated at all. In fact, its probably exacerbated in these camps. So i guess, you know, my question, the president tweeted that we would not abandon the kurds. What do you think that means militarily . Whats your read on that . Are we going to stay or not going to stay . I dont think we are going anywhere in the near term out of syria. I dont believe the situation is really going to permit that to happen. And i do think there is a reflection on what the potential for erdogan wants military incursion could mean in terms of the kurds. I mean just universal support for us, defending the kurds if necessary and supporting them after they sacrificed so much in the defeat of isis. And i know the president has a view that this is an endless war and we have got to get out of it. But, 60,000 Syrian Democratic forces fought isis and took away the caliphate the kurds lost 11,000 in that fight. We just had advisors there who accord nateed for air power and artillery support. We were not in that fight although we were in the combat zone, obviously. What we need to win now is the peace thats following the conflict, the post conflict is what we need to win. And that takes still some advisors helping the Syrian Democratic forces keep their foot on the throat of isis so they dont reemerge and then trying to reemerge as we are dealing with this crisis with the turks. Thats an absolute fact. If we have this military incursion, martha, with the turks Syrian Forces take their eye completely off the ball dealing with isis. Move to the sound of the guns and isis they are reemerging. Will be accelerated. Thats just a fact. Its not even a possibility. It is a fact. And the iranians also will reap the benefits of this with the russians in taking control of eastern syria. Which would really be a tragedy. And so the israelis and i know the arabs in the region have all expressed their concerns of what about what the implications are here of abandoning the Syrian Democratic forces or what it means for the region. Martha we livwhen we leave a vacuum something fills it we have seen that time and time again. General jack keane, thank you for being with us. Good talking with you, martha. Martha now joining me Martha Mcsally of arizona a member of the Armed Services committee and a 26year veteran air force pilot who was deployed six times to this region. So she knows it extremely well. Senator mcsally, thank you very much. Good to have you here tonight. Thanks for having me on, martha. Martha whats your reaction i know your folks are very involved in all of these discussions and listening to what is going on. Is this decision changing and to what . Well, i hope. So martha, as someone who is deployed to that region six times. I agree with President Trumps objective to not be bogged down in the middle east to bring our men and women home and we really need to be looking at the rising threat of china; however, we have a generational struggle and fight against islamic terrorism and im glad that President Trump took action against isis in an innovative way unlike president obama. We use a small number of people on the ground, advising this force. The fdf with our air power and they were able to roll back the caliphate. So, we cannot tolerate nato ally now coming in and mowing them down. That is just not the right message and its not good for the safety of america. So i really hope its reconsidered. Ainsley the president , you know, talked about how there are areas of agreement with erdogan, its a very tricky situation. He is an ally. But they are buying weapons from russia against our against our advice and concerns about that. Right. Martha is he our friend in your opinion or is he our enemy. Well, his actions of buying the s 400 and now massing on, you know, on the border, i am really concerned and i think nato needs to step up and we need to do our part in congress. If we have got to put sanctions on them, whatever we need to do, right now at this moment to deter turkey from continuing down this path that is destabilizing in the region, and, again, potentially going after those allies on the ground, the fdf who suffered 11,000 deaths in order to defeat isis, turkey needs to be deterred, erdogan needs to change his course right now. I think we need to stand with the kurds, with our amount of capability that we have had, which has been very limited but not turn our backs on them. Martha so, you know, i mean, obviously, the russians and the iranians would love to fill all of these vacuums. Its easy i mean not easy but its understandable to say we should leave. What would be their role if we left real quick. Again, i was just over in the region and we see iranians continued aggression in the region. Now our sanctions are putting a squeeze on them. But i was out in the straits of who ar hormuz. I was at the abqaiq as they continued to escalate terrorist activities and destabilizing activities in the region. They will look for opportunities here and in other places. This is an existential threat to israel and regional stability is in our interest. So, in a very innovative way the Trump Administration was able to defeat isis. The sdf was a critical part of that lets deter turkey as well as iran from any destabilizing action. Martha senator mcsally, thank you very much. Good to speak with you tonight. Good to see you, too. Martha coming up next she is not even the democratic nominee for president but Elizabeth Warren is already telling ceos that she expects them to get on board with her plan to restructure american capitalism or else there will be consequences for them. 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So joining me now to say exactly what that would mean for the economy. Marc thiessen American Enterprise scholar and Fox News Contributor and Austan Goolsbee former chief economist. Good to have bot be with youu martha. Martha democratic donors very concerned about this possibility and some of them say they will sit out the whole thing or might back President Trump if some of these ideas go into play and if she is the nominee. Yes and no. I mean, that report, as you know, was about leading wall street financial people that were democrats saying they didnt want it and Elizabeth Warrens supporters basically took that report and made it an ad in her favor. I think the thing that is kind of missing in this is Elizabeth Warren, i think, is perfectly correct to say donald trump cut taxes for big corporations by 2 trillion on the promise that they were going to have a massive increase in investment in this country that they were going to share those benefits with the workers and the growth rate was going to go way up. The growth rate in this quarter is in the 1 . They didnt share it and there has been no big increase in capital investment. I think this issue is actually thus far is a big winner for her. Not an abba cross. Martha mark is chuckling i guess you dont agree. Go ahead. I dont. First off who died and appointed Elizabeth Warren general secretary to tell private businesses thousand function . Its not the role of the president of the United States to do it. But, second of all, this campaign of class warfare is not going to work. This message doesnt appeal to the American People because Elizabeth Warrens entire economic message is based on the idea that capitalism is working for the fat cats on wall street but its not working for ordinary americans. Well ordinary americans disagree. Marist did a poll this summer, asked ordinary americans is the economy working for you personally . Two thirds of americans said it was. Including 64 of those without a college education, 61 of nonwhites, 62 of independents. 66 of rural voters. 72 of suburban voters. Its kind of hard to run on this message of the economy is not working for ordinary americans when an ordinary americans say it is. I mean, the president is now underwater on the economy when they ask him do they think he is doing a good job . As i say we gave 2 trillion in tax cuts to big corporations. Thats not about class warfare thats what President Trump did. Just look at the polls. This is an area of is successusceptibility. Martha if people feel like its not working going to definitely be an issue for President Trumps campaign. Lets have a light moment. This is from saturday night live this kate mckin than playing Elizabeth Warren. Watch. This you are kidding me, what . [laughter] billionaires dont like me . Oh no. Taking big checks from wall street worked out great for the last lady running for president. [laughter] let me just skip wisconsin and change my name to email benghazi while im at it. Martha big issue what you are hear percolating around democrats right now, austan, they are afraid that if she is the one, you have this biden issue which no doubt, however you split this impeachment question, it keeps coming up biden and questions about all of that and you have Bernie Sanders who has health issues. He is back out there but is dealing with some personal stuff. Well, look. The democrats have got we have yet to have any of the contests. They have got to sort out who is going to be the nominee. I think its absurd to think that the person who is going to get tagged from this impeachment discussion is joe biden. Its going to be President Trump. I think. [laughter] if Elizabeth Warren were the nominee than president pence is going to have to deal with that when he seeks reelection in the next campaign. Very quick thought. I have got 10 seconds, mark. Look, Elizabeth Warren is going to have the democratic i feel sorry for austan because is he going to have to spend a lot of time defending Elizabeth Warren which im sure he doesnt agree with a lot. She is going to run this party so far to the left that they are going to help reelect donald trump because they are giving people tired of the trump chaos but like the way the economy is going. They are giving them no safe harbor. They are giving them no place to go. So she is going to push voters who dont like donald trump into Donald Trumps arms and thats great for the republican party. Martha thanks, guys. We will see you next time. Thank you very much. Take care. Martha good to see you. Coming up one of three hero students who sprung into action and stormed a School Shooter and saved their classmates. Now, he is a hero again. He is now officially a United States marine and he joins me exclusively with his personal story tonight next. Dont miss it. My thoughts on becoming a marine were nothing but reinforced after the shooting. What i saw that today was complete and total malevolence bad overcoming good. amber jagger if we dont give students from an underserved background the technology that they need in school, theyre not going to be competitive in the workforce thats waiting for them. Since verizon innovative learning, students have hardware, connectivity, and quality curriculum. The jobs of tomorrow will involve technology. Now students are truly hopeful for what they may achieve. My dbut now, i take used tometamucil every day. Sh it traps and removes the waste that weighs me down, so i feel lighter. 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His friend brendan, then a Marine Recruit vowed that he would always honor brendans legacy. Watch this. I got to see two two heroes, two High School Kids awesome people jump into action without any hesitation and i was more than lucky to join them. Kendrick castillo died a legend. He died a trooper and i know he will be with me for the rest of my life. Martha that was one day after the shooting. And this is a picture of Brendan Bialy now. He just graduated from boot camp and he is now officially a United States marine. And he joins me exclusively brendan, thank you so much. Its good to have you here. So many people followed your story and i think a lot of people just are very proud of you tonight. They were proud of you then and proud of you tonight. When i look back at you talking about what happened the next day, i wonder what it was like for you in the days and weeks that followed at school when the cameras left and when yo it started to k in what had you actually done and what your friends had done. Thats a really good question. Well, interestingly enough, we were, for the seniors like my whole friend group we were three days from being done. We were done that friday. We were done with the testing and everything. But since i was so close to leaving for marine corps recruit training it was basically hey, its time to now take this whatever comes along with it and move onto the next step which at that time was becoming a United States marine. Martha so what came along with it. I know you were close to kendrick. I have seen interviews with his parents. They are just such lovely people and they handled it all with such grace and such courage. Just a quick thought on that before i ask you about whether are you headed after that. Absolutely. It was when i look back, its really interesting. For me, primarily everything that came along with it was thinking about joshua and kendrick. And for whatever reason i was the one thrown into the limelight and thats fine but im going to use whatever platform im given to make sure not only josh jones name is remembered but kendrick castil castillos. Forever. Thats not going to change no matter what. Martha you are glad you responded the way you did, you went into that line of fire and stopped them and knocked them down with kendrick and josh. How does that feel now that you have been through boot camp . I think for a lot of people lets be honest people have idea what if it happens in my school someone walks in with a gun i honestly hope i act heroically. In my case and for kendricks case and for joshs case, that brings about a new level throughout life where you are no longer questioning what will i do . Its now i know how i will act. With that comes kind of level with a level of responsibility now but a type of weight is taken off your shoulders. You are now clear on, okay now i have the confidence to know how i will respond in a situation like this again. Martha good for you. And you responded amazingly. And heroically. How was booted camp and how do you like being a marine and tell us whats ahead for you . Well, boot camp was boot camp. It wasnt bad at all. Martha it wasnt . There were ups and downs. You know, it was boot camp. Its something new that every single person, you have to be there to really go through it. Its hard to explain. Its a hard thing to explain. But, to all the people think guilty about marine corps or family has never been in the military its something hard to explain that will push you to your limits make a lot of close brothers. You will meet a lot of awesome people. At the end of the day you will earn that title. It may feel like you wont but you will earn that title. Now that im a marine, it feels good. Now, once i have reached the top of that hill i earned the ega now that you have new perspective and Vantage Point you realize dang i have a lot more hills to climb. I have a long way to go and im excited for it. Martha we are excited for you too. We are grateful for your heroic act and students saved by it are, too. And we will with you and Kendrick Castillos memory alive he a hero too and josh to. Thank you for making a stop at the story as did you go on your way. Thank you so much for your service. Good to meet you tonight, brendan. Thank you. Martha so when we come back, back to the topic of the night here, interesting to take that moment with brendan though, the rush to impeach. What is this really all about . What does Victor Davis Hanson see behind whats going on . He is always taking a look back and see the picture from 30,000 feet. He is going to explain coming up next. 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Joining me now Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution has written similar sentiments over the past few days and he joins me now. Good to see you tonight, victor. What do you make of that notion that that is perhaps more what it is about and what it has always been about for the past two and a half years . Yeah. I think bill is right. He is being empirical not theoretical. He is saying if its about a alternate vision we have had a rich array of voices voiced on the platform and debates. Why dont house members say im introducing a bill for reparations, green new deal, i want to get legislation passed getting medicare for everybody or healthcare for illegal aliens. We dont see that instead, we are in to about the 10th iteration. We had the Voting Machines lawsuit. 25th amendment. Logan act. Emonthlyments clause. We had psychiatrists declaring trump unfit. In that sense this is just another version of an effort to delegitimize the president. And he is right also about his supporters. It wasnt just Hillary Clinton that said irredeemables and deplorables of the trump voter. There was joe biden said that they were the dregs of society. Peter strzok was caught in a text message saying basically they were smelly. We had cnn people say at trump rallies people had no teeth. You saw that Jussie Smollett when he had that hoax made the villians people with trump hats. Same with the covington kids they were demonized because they had red hats. You put it all together and its an effort to say this person had no political or military experience. He should not have won. He was outfund raised. All the experts didnt have a chance it couldnt happen and it did. Its illegitimate and we are not going to stand for it. Martha, the only mystery whats the end game with impeachment . Is it a primal scream to get this emotion out or just to have an inquiry and create enough chaos and smears and leaks that maybe you can drive his polls down like we have already seen in the rasmussen poll today or is it to actually have a vote and impeach him and then have an asterisk behind his name for the 2020 election . Or maybe they believe they can flip three or four senators in the senate and while thats not enough constitutionally to result in a conviction and removal from office, the democrats can say well, we had a majority vote to impeach him and we had a majority vote in the senate. If we flip three or four republican senators, except for that stupid old constitution, we would have removed him. Its like the electoral college, they stopped this. Finally more fashion, martha. This is kind of scary. I think they are trying to wear down the physical and mental resilience of donald trump. We saw what happened to bernie on the campaign trail. Its not an easy thing for a century general native american to run or be in office. We know what happened to Richard Nixon he got phlebotomy bites and pneumonia and almost died. At some point the legendary trump physicality is going to crack. Each one of these assaults, whether its mueller, the 25th amendment or whistleblower its like an invisible little crack in an egg shell and at some point maybe this whistleblower or ukraine business, the final tap will just implode everything. Martha yeah. And he will be gone and we wont have to worry about it anymore. They all have one thing in common, they dont believe in a constitutional referendum in 2020 as a constitution states to have an up or down vote on their president to see if he should be reelected or not. Martha victor, you laid a lot of option us out there. We will see which if any of them are headed. As always great to see you as always tonight. Victor davis hanson thank you. Thank you. 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Its just because i dont agree with someone ive written everything doesnt mean im not can be friends with them. When i say be kind to one another, and i mean only the people that think the same way that you do. I mean be kind to everyone. [cheers and applause] martha what a great idea. The bush family spokesperson has responded saying they enjoyed being with alan and portia and appreciated ellens comments about respecting one another and they respect her. Civility and mutual respect. What a radical concept right . Thats a nice moment and thats the story on this tuesday october 8th 2019. The story goes on tomorrow. We will see you then. Have a good night, everybody. Tucker good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. We live, as you may have noticed, and the age of woke capital. Not just selling products, we are selling more than that. You see it everywhere. You see it in every movie come every commercial, repress release from the Diversity Division of your legal hr department. 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