Criticism he believes is wrong. So first of all, the president said he misspoke when he talked about whether or not russia would have been involved in meddling. He said i meant to say that they would have been, not that they wouldnt have been. How does that register with you . Do you think that washes . I thought all along that because we have conflated two sort of Different Things in the Mueller Investigation that the president s reaction is typically because he sees the Mueller Investigation as an accusation of collusion, that somehow the president colluded with the russians and is another aspect of the investigation that has to do with who hacked into Hillary Clintons emails and who released those to the public. I think those are two sort of completely different aspects, but they are in the same investigation. So i think his instinct is to push back and say there was no collusion, i was never involved with russia, which i believe to be true, and i think there has been a partisan witch hunt to go after him to try to say somehow there was collusion with russia. That is separate from whether or not russia actually hacked into Hillary Clintons emails, which i think he accepts and i think was some somewhat muddled in te initial press conference comments. Martha john brennan came out and said the president S Performance was treasonous in his opinion. There is the president responding to john brennan in an interview that will air later tonight with tucker carlson. Watch. I think hes a very bad guy and if you look at it, a lot of things happened under his watch. I think hes a very bad person. Martha your thoughts on that senator . I agree completely. I think hes completely unhinged and you see him now calling the president treasonous and what should worry every american is john brennan was in charge of the cia, the most powerful intelligence Gathering Group on the planet. They can absorb every bit of information you can imagine, your phone calls, your metadata, your bank records, your visa records. They can destroy any persons life. The person at the head of that turns out to be a very much partisan, a trump hater and very much just someone who is a trump hater, i guess thats the best way to put it. But i really am worried that he was head of the cia for so long harboring all of that bias. Martha let me ask you this, because you are concerned about all of that, and i know you are, that is one of the big concerns as we move forward because dan coats has said that he believes that the attempt to metal in the Midterm Election is probably more intense than it was during the president ial election, so it almost feels like perhaps rather than kind of revisiting and rehashing what happened in the last 24 hours, we need to make sure that our Cyber Security is stronger. That feels like something with the president could really be coming out very strongly on that that Michael Moore to to actual policy and fixing things than fixing a weak performance in helsinki. This has been exactly my point. The integrity of the election is the most important thing and what we should do is learn that countries do hack into elections and try. This isnt the first time. From Carnegie Mellon university and said the usa tried to get involved with 80 different elections over the last 50 years. The soviet union has, china does. So the rules that we should learn, the moral we should learn from this is we need to protect our elections and there are a lot of things we could discuss, but people are so intent about making this about their hatred that we are talking but really what we should do. Martha very true. We should decentralize the elections. They are already decentralized. We should ensure that they remain decentralized, that there is a paper trail for every precinct, that there is a republican and a democrat judge, there is supposed to be. The signs off on the precinct returns and if the vote was 1,000 to 800, by the time that gets into a computer system, someone could always call back and say what was the vote signed off on and do you have a piece of paper to verify that vote . Martha i think thats the biggest point. I also want to bring up one more thing. To that end, if the fbi is so concerned, as they should be, with figuring out meddling in the United States elections, you would think that they would have wanted to get their hands on the actual dnc server. Theres a lot set about this because the president brought it up the other day and a democrat i had on last night said that didnt matter they didnt have the server. Watch this moment between congressman will hurd and james comey. So director, fbi notified the dnc early before any information was put on wikileaks and when you still have never been given access to any of the technical or the physical machines that were hacked by the russians. Thats correct, although we got the forensics from the pros that they hired, best practice always to get access to the machines themselves but this, my folks told me it was an appropriate substitute. Martha what do you say to that . You are taking the word of someone else who has investigated it. I would think the police would only take the word of themselves when they actually investigate and look to the servers. I dont think theres any excuse for them not having done their job better and the thing is is a lot of the stuff is more complicated than people would think. When youre trying to trace who actually hacked into it because there are people who can actually put the type of fingerprint on what they are doing to make themselves look like someone else. They can make them, by going through several different servers, obscure where they are actually coming from so i dont think its always is black and white when we say so and so did this hacking or didnt and i think it would be very important that the fbi should have looked directly at the democrat servers. Martha i can see people being concerned about some of what they saw yesterday, but if this happens again and you point out north korea, china, theres a lot of bad actors out there, that would be real genuine embarrassment that the United States should be very concerned about. Senator, thank you sir. Always good to have you with us. Thanks. Martha here now, bill bennett, host of the bill bennett podcast and former secretary of education, also in Fox News Contributor. Good to have you here tonight, good evening to you, sir. What did you think did you watch this whole press Conference Live yesterday . I did. Martha what was your Immediate Reaction . How did you feel when it was over . My Immediate Reaction was there were a couple of big mistakes there that he needs to explain and the two of them were the equivalents, the suggestion of equivalence between what his reports he was getting from the Intelligence Community and what putin was saying in the second one was that who he would believe. The question that he clarified today. So i was bothered by it. Thought he needed to clean it up. I think he cleaned it up today, but the amazing thing to me is the lynch mob mentality. People are just going crazy. Ive heard some people compare this to kristallnacht in germany, to pearl harbor and there was even 9 11 suggestion that this was the parallel. A senator paul talking about john brennan calling it treason. By the way, one can understand a certain reluctance on the part of the president to bless the intelligence agencies, given his experience with the fbi, with comey, mccabe and john brennan was the head of the cia. Look, he said today, he tried to clear it up today, he basically admitted error. Some people say i dont believe it, i believe what he said yesterday. The real test is what hes done. What is his policy . And his policy has been very tough on russia. Putin said yesterday that he would have supported trump for president or did support them. Why would you support a very for president who want to increase the american military, strengthen the hand of nato, do what President Trump is done, which is given Missile Defense to poland. Given lethal aid to the ukraine, thrown out Russian Diplomats left and right. Russian mercenaries have been killed because of our actions in syria. That to me is the test. Its better to have your talk and your language consistent with your actions. But actions do speak louder. Martha this next question, what happens now . Heres a quote from the wall street journal. By going soft on mr. Putin, they wrote, mr. Trump will paradoxically find it even harder to make deals with the russians. You have to look back at the whole goal of this meeting. To open dialogs. The president has said since day one that he believes that a better relationship with russia will strengthen the United States in the end and strengthen our forces around the world if they can agree on some things, but didnt make it harder for him to do exactly that . It seems to me that now hes going to have to be tougher than ever on russia and on putin in order to sort of stiff and those, so to speak. Good question, martha. Maybe it made it a little tougher but i think it Still Matters more what he does. One other thing i would mention, and this came up in the press conference, they talked about gas and oil and we know that russia is basically a gas station, an economy with one product and putin said its very important that those prices dont plummet. Whys it so important . If they plummet, russia is out of business. If we start exporting natural gas at a great rate, which we are beginning to do, that is a very tough measure and it will be hard for the president to do that and for american industry to do that and i suspect he will. I think putin is whistling in the dark hoping that maybe that nice talk will carry over into action. Martha they were talking about the deal with germany to bring that pipeline through and is centrally in criticizing that deal when he was in europe, the president was sort of opening up that question and saying and he said this in the News Conference and as you say it didnt get a lot of attention, he said that we can provide that service too and may the best person win. Which i thought was a fascinating moment. Hes basically saying we will compete on natural gas. And you are so right. Energy, they are a onetrick pony, that economy and that is all they have. Right. Martha one other thing i want to ask you about just going back to the intelligence agencies for a moment because i couldnt help but think watching all of this and watching how problematic it has been in so many ways, you have to ask yourself if john brennan and james comey had given the Trump Campaign a defensive briefing on all of this, which they consider doing, going to them and saying heres what we know, heres what we are concerned about, we wouldnt be here today discussing any of this most likely. So they are to blame in that sense. Thats right. There was a history of inaction during the Obama Administration. All that ever happened between the Obama Administration and the Putin Administration was the reset button and that was spurred by obama that he would be more flexible. Didnt get nearly any of the attention that this thing got and that was really quite an extraordinary moment. You are absolutely right. And this explains i think where the president is reluctant to do full embrace. But he did fully embrace this afternoon of dan coats and the Intelligence Community. The only thing i would like to add or suggest is that he say this better not happen in 2018 or we will send more liquefied natural gas and we will send more, build more missiledefense and we will build our military even more. Those of the real threats to putin, not some words, misplaced or not at a press conference. Martha i think thats a great point. If that is the sort of carrot and stick. We are not going to have these meetings anymore if we see any meddling in the 2018 election, you will be cut off and isolated, which is exactly what they dont want. If the actions from here forward are going to be incredibly important as everybody judges this relationship. Thank you, always good to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Thank you. Martha coming up, maria butina, shes 29 years old and shes an American University grad. 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The fats call it an russian influence operation in which maria butina was given a mission of establishing unofficial lines of communication with u. S. Politicians and political organizations. Among those organizations, the National Rifle association. Butina, who is 29, was arrested sunday. She is charged with conspiracy and acting as an unregistered agent of the russian government. The case against her is complicated and the Court Documents are sometimes deliberately vague about the people or organizations with whom butina is alleged to have made contact. But investigators appear to be focusing on her contacts with the nra and the republican party. Butina, by the way, studied in washington from 2015 to 2017 and in 2015 she attended a libertarian event in las vegas and asked bencandidate trump about his view of russia. Do you want to continue the politics of sanctions that are damaging of both economies . I believe i would get along very nicely with putin, okay . And i mean, where we have the strength. I dont think you need to sanctions. I think that we would get along very, very well. Butina was directed by a crime unofficial to attend two National Prayer breakfast meetings and to organized russianamerican friendship and dialogue dinners in washington. Butinas attorney Robert Driscoll flatly denies his client was a russian agent, because the charger is overblown and says the charging papers describe nothing more than a conspiracy to have dinner and shake hands with various americans at events open to the public. He says as though it is somehow unlawful, unlawful for a Foreign National student in the United States to develop a personal, professional or networking relationship with an american. Martha, butina is currently being held in jail. She is due back in court for another hearing tomorrow. Martha very interesting. Jonathan, thank you very much. Here now with more, jack barsky. A former kgb spy and author of deep undercover my secret life and tangled allegiances as kgb spy in america. Welcome back. Good to have you back on the program two nights in a row. Good to be back. Martha what you make of this . Is she a spy, what we would call a spy . I would think so, ill, albeit most likely an amateur, because i understand she communicated via twitter and emails. A trained operator wouldnt do that. But you ask an interesting question a while ago, how many of them are there . Thats an excellent question, because there could be a lot. Youve got to understand one thing. If you are in this kind of an oligarchy that russia is. If you are somebody, you are somebody because you are allowed to be somebody and if you are going to the United States, somebody will talk to you and try to help you so that you can help them. Any contacts with Russian Nationals have to be suspect and i am totally flabbergasted by the lack of understanding why some of our politicians that when you touch the russians, you possibly touch russian intelligence. Martha its fascinating. From your own experience, being here, compare what it was like for you and how you worked with how you see her working. You say that she is an amateur and maybe she somebody thats trying to move herself up the chain of command from mother russia. Explain how that works when you came. Let me tell you something. Calling her an amateur, i also have to compliment her because she got a lot further than i, as a trained professional, god. She made contact with a whole lot of people that are and would be of interest to russia. I failed in that respect. I was trained extremely well. I was really undercover, secret. Shes playing the game around there is a fine line between being a friend and being an influence, or trying to get close to somebody and eventually making that person an asset, so thats a big difference and i think the more people russia can throw at this, and we have a pretty open border. We let people in, we let people study here and so forth, the more of a chance there is for success. Martha one of the things we are investigating is whether or not she was using this gun Advocacy Group to funnel money through the nra to then have the nra use money to support that theory . Right out of the old kgb playbook. We worked hard, and this i think this is real. The best recruits are the one who have strong convictions. Even more so, people who are subject to ideological thinking, but strong convictions where you will be befriend people and you make believe that you have the same beliefs and that way and this is called in intelligence circles, its called ultimately recruitment under false flag. Martha you said it almost brought you to tears yesterday when you watch the president. You just said you think a lot of politicians dont get it when it comes to how this works. Would you put the president in that category . Unfortunately, yes. But its not just the president. Its a lot of our lawmakers. It is my observation that a lot of americans are very trusting and very naive. This should not trickle up to the highest levels of government. We got to be a little bit more careful. Martha jack barsky, fascinating, thank you so much. Good to have you heard tonight, sir. Youre welcome. Martha how about everyone gets free money, guaranteed income, you dont have to work for it necessarily, this is a plan that could be coming to chicago. But for weeks the democrats have called to abolish ice. They have marched in the streets talking about the outrage of this agency, but now all of a sudden they are kind of backing off the whole thing. Karl rove and matt bennett up next. We should protect families that need our help and that is not what ice is doing today. And thats why i believe you should get rid of it, start over, reimagine it. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise their rates because of their first accident. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Why people everywhere are upgrading their water filter to zerowater. Start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. Pour it through britas twostage filter. Dissolved solids remain . What if we filter it over and over . sighing oh dear. 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I support abolishing ice and replacing it with an agency that is more consistent with americas values. The disastrous immigration policy should be abolished. Martha for weeks weve been hearing about the horrible practices of ice and how they should be abolished but no democrats on the hill are saying maybe thats not such a good idea because house with public wanted to test them with a vote to scrap the agency, but then dams said that they wouldnt vote for that. Heres House Majority leader kevin mccarthy. The democrats continue talking about removing ice. We are going to have a vote on the floor. Clay higgins has a bill, lays out what ice has been doing keeping her country safe. It also announces the action to eliminate and abolish ice. So theres an opportunity. Your base may say you want to have it, you may introduce a bill that youve supported. Martha paul ryan shelved that bill. Joining me now, karl rove, former president george w. Bush is deputy chief of staff and matt bennett, cofounder of third day, a grassroots Progressive Organization and former Deputy Assistant to president clinton. Good to have you both here. It comes across, matt, as kind of disingenuous when you hear all the hollering and then theres people suggesting lets give it about and everybody runs for the fences. I dont think its disingenuous at all. Use this bill that was introduced along with 7,000 under bills get introduced every session of congress and clearly wasnt ready to be considered on the floor of the house. But if we are going to do Something Like abolish or replace an agency has to go through committees. There has to be real consideration about what you do to replace it. Martha so why do the democrats proffering opposite bill that theys agency that they say is so unjust . I think other democrats probably will come along and do that but this issue wasnt right for consideration on the house floor. This kind of thing happens all the time in politics. Rick perry called for the elimination of three agencies, he famously couldnt remember them all. One is the agency he now runs. When people run for office they say things like this, but that doesnt mean they are ready to be considered in congress. Martha they are talking now about consolidating one of those agencies, including the one that he runs. So karl, what you make on the politics and what republicans decided to do about it . I think the problem is not that this wasnt right. The democrats thought they had a great idea, get rid of ice and then they figured out that that was a bad idea. Look, the idea that this needed to go through a committee process, the governor of texas is somehow the same as three members of the democratic leadership coauthored this legislation, or 2020 democratic president ial candidates. Its ridiculous. The democrats got caught offering a stupid idea for a bad reason. Remember, they did this because of the administrations policy of separating minors from adults. But ice has nothing whatsoever to do with that. Those people are interdicted at the border by customs and border patrol. They are turned over to the u. S. Marshals, who separate the children from the adults and the children are then turned over to the department of health and Human Services to take care of. Ice is nowhere near involved in that process. What ice is involved and is taking people in the United States who are here illegally, primarily criminals. Three quarters of the people that they removed from the country had criminal convictions. Nearly 15 of them had pending criminal charges in addition to that so about 90 of the people they removed from the country are criminals and the idea that the democrats were in favor of even talking about getting rid of that agency, it shows how just a little thought they gave to this whole issue. Martha here is President Trump in an interview that is going to air tonight talking about this issue and about open borders. Watch. The democrats want open borders, which is basically saying we want open borders, we want crime. Why do you think they want that . Maybe as a political philosophy that they grew up with, maybe they learned it in school. Maybe they are fools. I dont know. Martha matt, what is your response to that . That is the most preposterous thing i could possibly imagine him saying that he has said some really preposterous things in the last few days. Democrats dont want open borders. Not a single democrat in public life once open borders and if there are any, they should step aside. What we are talking about his policy that is being run by this white house that is inhumane, that is working children from the arms of their parents, that is deporting people that have been working here without committing a single crime for decades, using the resources of the government in stupid ways. Karls figures include people who have committed crimes like speeding. Ice may not need to be abolished. It move around boxes on the flowchart of government all the time. Ins was abolished under the Bush Administration but it does need to be changed and most fundamentally what needs to be changed is the policies. Martha lots of people watching the show right now are saying they broke the law when they cross the border so if they were speeding on top of that and thats the second time they broke the law and you do have open borders if you are just going to let people flow across. If they cant come through the port of entry they are supposed to come through and then they find a softer spot to come through they are breaking the law and that is an open border by definition. But i guess one thing i want to ask you before i let you go, if this was something that democrats felt that they should connect themselves to and that they should run on, what will they be running on . What do you see as sort of the big signature message of the Democratic Party as they head into the midterms and then i want to get carls response to that. I dont think its going to be abolish ice. I do think its going to be stopped taking children from their parents and stop acting inhumanely at the border the way that we see over the past few months. But more importantly, i think democrats are going to try to focus on things that matter to virtually everyone in the United States. Immigrants and citizens alike. Which is providing opportunity in a moment when people are deeply anxious about the future of the economy. Martha the economy is steaming along. Karl . Im an advocate of Immigration Reform and have been for a long time, but it is amazing to me that the democrats took this maneuver. Matt is right, there are people on that list who have been speeding. 20,000 people, the largest number of them, are people who were convicted of a dui and of those people, they have a total of 60,000 criminal convictions. That is to say every one of those individuals has on average to other crimes they have committed besides the dui. We have 16,000 people that were removed last year who were convicted of assault and they had a grand total of 32,000 convictions for violent acts. Still the idea that somehow are the idea that making society safer by getting rid of ice is just ridiculous. The democrats realize quickly that they made a mistake and they cannot bring themselves to admit that it was a mistake. They simply want to avoid it and move on. Maybe thats good for our country, but it shows how bad our politics is that this was treated seriously by the leadership of the Democratic Party. Martha thank you, gentlemen, great to see you both tonight. Coming up, what if you could keep babies from getting diseases by altering their dna . It could happen much sooner than you think, but what are the dangers . And should the government guarantee a basic income for everybody in america, even if they dont have a job . The idea is gaining steam in chicago in a state that is 200 billion in debt. Onetenth of 1 should not own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 . Everybody in this country should effect have at least a minimum standard of living. Finally. Hey ron theyre finally taking down that schwab billboard. Oh, not so fast, carl. Oh no. Schwab, again . Index investing for that low . Thats three times less than fidelity. And four times less than vanguard. Whats next, no minimums . No minimums. Schwab has lowered the cost of investing again. Introducing the lowest cost index funds in the industry with no minimums. I bet theyre calling about the schwab news. Schwab. A modern approach to wealth management. We are going to have to consider new ways of thinking about these problems, like universal income, review of our work week, how we retrain our young people. How we make everybody an entrepreneur. We are going to have to worry about economics if we want to get democracy back on track. Martha former president barack obama making a bold Statement Today and one of his first major speeches since leaving office and endorsing universal basic income. It comes as chicago is poised to become the largest city in the country to test this idea of giving 500 a month 2,000 families with no strings attached. Joining us from chicago is jason, Depaul University professor and author of the new book we have overcome. Jason, good to have you here today. The chicago man who is pushing this idea says that nearly 70 of americans dont have a thousand dollars in the bank for emergency and he feels that this would be a great way to help people get over the rough spots. What do you think . I think anytime you decouple income from work its a bad ide idea. You leave people undervalued, you incentivize them to ashm with an incentive to become socioeconomic supplicants. And people have an Intrinsic Value in themselves to work but more importantly, i think that this is just a big excuse for the far left to advance this country towards a precipitous move toward socialism. We have alexandria ocasiocortez saying she will not rest until there is Free Education for all students and now we have talked about the basic universal income. This is a move on the part of the far left to slip into the moral vocabulary of this country, for he that is, free that. Its a move to advance a socialist agenda and i dont think we should buy into it. I think it is immoral and unethical because it talks about higher taxes on basic citizens to fund Something Like a basic universal income. Martha you make excellent points. We also have an economy that is steamrolling. We have unemployment numbers at the lowest level in a very long time. You have businesses hiring. Companies who are in a new tax situation and its freeing up their ability to buy equipment and to expand their plans and all sorts of things. It is odd and it does sort of sound like a luer to kind of put people under the auspices of a socialist government and to zap their initiative. Heres the facebook founder, mark zuckerberg, talking about this, and then lets roll these together. Right after that, former secretary of labor robert. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas. The idea is getting some traction again. Some think it could be security to welfare or the kinds of assistance because a universal basic income doesnt tell people what its based on. Martha what if it replaced welfare, would that be a good idea . It is a form of welfare. These are just conceptual inadequacies. What are people going to do with the money . Buy liquor . What will they do with the mone money. There is no incentive or no conditions of how they will use the money. Investment in a college education. Its a bunch of malarkey really when there are no conditions. The idea that it is not a form of welfare is a nonstarter. It is welfare. Welfare under a different name, a more respectable name and an attempt, again, to fool the American People into thinking that this is a form of benevolence when its just the form of welfare in the form of socialism. Already deeply in debt, even deeper in debt. So many problems in chicago. Its difficult to imagine that this is going to improve situations and give people incentives and get them back to work. Thank you. I might add that chicago is enjoying an Unemployment Rate something in the neighborhood of below 4. 5 , the lowest in what i understand to be decades. And has seen an exponential increase in jobs in the city. Martha which would make this very odd timing. Exactly. Martha ahead of elections no doubt. Thank you very much, good to see you. Coming up next, a controversial decision in the u. K. Could lead the way to genetically modified babies becoming a reality. Marc theissen and father Jonathan Morris up next. Before nexium 24hr mark could only imagine. A peaceful night sleep without frequent heartburn waking him up. Now that dream is a reality. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . Is it to carry cargo. Greatness of an suv . Or to carry on a legacy . Its show of strength. 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Joining me now, marc theissen, American EnterpriseInstitute Scholar and Fox News Contributor and father Jonathan Morris, fox news religion analyst. At this point you cant create genetically altered babies but you can edit the gene to prevent certain serious diseases. Father jonathan, on the morality of this, your thoughts . Anytime you have scientific advances that four of the good of the human being, and in this case, for the good of the child, wonderful. But when we are using scientific advances for the good of the people who want that child to be something for them, thats when we have problems. A human being can never be used as a means to an end. A human being is an end in and of itself and of course if you had perfectly moral people, then these type of scientific advances would not be a problem but we know that put into the hands of people who are imperfect, like all of us, there can be some very scary, very scary purposes. Martha this is the basics of medical ethics. When you have the ability to do something but then you have to make the decision about whether or not it is ethical or whether or not it is good for humanity and for society. This is a quote from one of the authors of the study, allen bradley. He says this is the first systematic assessment of events resulting from editing in therapeutically relevant cells and we found that changes in the dna have been seriously underestimated before now. So my unscientific brain, taking a look at this earlier, basically it means that when you do those alterations, you dont know what kind of impact they will have on all the other cells that are affected in the embryo. This is medical experimentation on human beings. If we alter the faulty genes, we dont know what were doing, what the scientists are doing to the healthy jane and its not just affecting that one individual child. You are changing their dna sequence, which means their children and their childrens children will be affected by whatever changes you make in the laboratory. So its an enormously problematic. Everybody wants to eliminate the suffering of these genetic diseases, but there are all sorts of unintended consequences that come along with us because if you can change the dna in order to eliminate diseases, you can also change the dna to make People Better athletes, to make them more intelligent, to make them more attractive and all of a sudden you get on the slippery slope of genetically altered designer babies were parents are choosing what attributes they want for their children. Thats going to have a lot of downstream impacts. One of the things its going to do is its going to dramatically exacerbate inequality because only the wealthy are going to be able to afford genetic engineering. So what you will have is you have income inequality replaced by genetic inequality where you have two classes of people, the genetically altered elite who have more skill, more intelligence, more talent, and the unaltered poor, who are going to be even more of a lower class in society. So this has a really, really big downstream consequences nobody thought about. Martha we talked a lot on this program about down syndrome and iceland rejoicing over the fact that they have zero down syndrome babies because they are all aborted. So if you could possibly alter that in the dna, there are so my parents that would tell you that they love their child exactly the way they are. So what is best . What is perfect . Thats our notion of what that means. God makes his best. The other thing to keep in mind is that very often when there is money involved, with these hospitals or governments do is they hire bioethicists to tell them that its okay so we have to be very careful. This was a Bioethical Committee organization that said we think this is now perhaps morally permissible and then the government, or the business or the hospital can say we passed it by our Bioethics Committee and it turns out its all good. Very dangerous. Martha it is dangerous and on the other hand you think if you can make sure that no one is born with the body thats going to produce cancer eventually, i think we would all want to try to strive towards that. Its very, very tricky. Thank you. Always great to see you. We will be right back with more of the story after this. And wake up feeling fresh and free for a free sample visit tena. Us jushis local miracle ear t at helped andrew hear more of the joy in her voice. Just one hearing test is all it took for him to hear more of her laugh. And less of the background noise around him. For helen, just one visit to her local miracleear is all it took to learn how she can share more moments with her daughter. 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