0 cheap catastrophic plan. this stuff is being tossed at the insurers at the last moment. they already are looking at a catastrophe of enrollment. hugely under enrolled and hugely weighted against the young and the healthy, the ones who are supposed to subsidize everybody else. they can see billions losses down the road. there is is only one way out of that, juan. that is a bailout. that's why the administration is somewhat serene and that's why the republicans have to get up right now and to pass a bill saying no bailout. at least in the house. >> all right, charles, we're going to come back to you in just a moment. and, also, after charles, jesse jackson weighs in on the "duck dynasty" phil robertson controversy as a&e runs a christmas marathon featuring the very star they supposedly suspende