0 because again if you consider there are 45 million people that don't have insurance and incentives for them signing rupp so strong, comprehensive healthcare for as little as $100 a month in the premium. a huge portion of that 45 million are going to let go into the exchanges. then you have got another 15 million measures that are in the private markets already. who are, many of whom will have their health insurance programs policies cancelled. and a large portion of that 15 million are going to have every incentive and every desire to get into the exchanges as well. you are talking about 60 million people. >> 15 million new people are going to have to go seek out health insurance. we are not even talking about the young people, 20 and 30-year-old who's are trying to sign up and they are finding out that, a, their premiums are going up and b, the big one, julian, is that their deductibles are in the thousands of dollars a year and they're saying no my guess that's why they are holding back these numbers because they're so embarrassing low not because only web site glitches but because someone is not enrolling in something that costs so much money. >> big part of the problem was the web site feesk co-which is a big reason why people didn't get into the program. again, the central point i'm making you are talking about a pool of 60 million people that would probably go into these exchanges or the private marketplace. and there is every incentive for almost all of these 60 million people to get into the system because the policies in the private marketplace are, one, requesting to be comprehensive. two, you are going to have tax incentives, tax rebates for millions, as many as 6 or 7 million americans to get into this program. so they can get health coverage. >> who pays for that, julianne? who picks up the tab on rebates? >> that was part of the aca, that was part of the law. that was part of -- it comes through a tax rebate. >> let's talk about where the money comes from. originally when president obama pushed this, and turned a bill into a law, the cbo said it was going to be about $900 billion. now, they have upped that. the cbo has under that number to $1.8 trillion. we are not even talking about these additional insion incentives and rebates which is only going to add though that number. >> one how is it paid for tax increases like the medical equipment tax and increase on capital gains. there is no question there are some taxes that are paying for this secondly, the cbo also made it clear that the healthcare law was going to be a net reducer in terms of our federal deficit. >> julian, i have toil, president obama, unequivocally said this will not be a tax increase. he looked the american people in the eye in fact he was sitting down with george stephanopoulos it isn't a tax. it was never a tax. it's the law. his words. turns out, i agree with you it's a tax. >> certainly there is no question. nobody ever debated the fact that you had things you had the medical equipment tax you had capital gains rate going up for certain people. the point here is that out of a pool of 60 million people we are clearly going to get far more than 7 million people entering into this. look back -- >> -- in your opinion. i have to leave it there real question for me is if they can't get a web site up and running in three years how in the world are they going to handle billions and billions going through that medical portal going forward? julian we have to leave it there. >> thank you. >> next on the ruppdown, ed henry on the political fallout from the botched obama carrollout. and then the president is taking heat from world leaders over the spying, nsa spying controversy and the key player in the controversy claims he knows who is to blame upcoming. don't be shy! try some pie!