0 7:00 p.m. eastern, two more, we've done 3,000 shows at 10:00 p.m. we can do as many at 7:00 p.m. see you 7:00 p.m. monday, 10:00 p.m. tomorrow night, though. go to gretawire.com. good night. >> bill: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> this republican shutdown did not have to happen. >> is the president backing down a bit? late this afternoon there was a meeting at the white house over the government shutdown and we will have the very latest for you. >> i am glad the government is shut down. for the first time in years it's safe to talk on the phone and send emails without anybody listening in. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? we will answer that question. ♪ >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new book. that professor will be here. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ li, i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. obama care not ready for prime time. that's the talking points memo and zeal it in our next segment. but, first, breaking news tonight. late this afternoon, president obama held a meeting at the white house that included congressional leadership and his advisors. with the government shutdown embracing america all over the imbare -- embarrassing america all over the world was anything accomplished? no, nada, nothing with democratics and republicans. cammeron, both sides ran out and blamed the other for not negotiating. what's the truth? >> that's exactly what happened. speaker boehner came out first. he was briefed. he was kind of kurt. seemed a little bit upset and set he the president wasn't going to negotiate on reopening the government. wasn't going we-to-reopen obama care as part of a deal to reopen government and wasn't going to negotiate on raising the debt ceiling which happens in the middle of this month and really creates a new pivot point. democrats said we are not going to negotiate on that. nancy pelosi and harry reid came out a few minutes later and all too happy to take questions and linger and blame republicans for their unwillingness to give up their demands to negotiate obama care as part of reopening the government and negotiating spending cuts. that's the only deal. >> bill: what do you think though, cammeron? look, they both say the other won't negotiate. i mean, -- >> -- dead in the water. nothing happened today. and we are no close tore reopening the government. it's not going to happen this week. it may spill into next week. then we are beginning to push that middle of the month october 17th deadline. republicans think that is going to create some sort of pressure that will inspire democrats to compromise. democrats, the president, and the democratic leadership and the rank and file say for a month they are not going to negotiate period. clearly democrats got republicans cornered and not likely to give them any sort of mercy by offering a compromise. >> bill: i think the republicans, rosen, have offered some compromises, but then the reply back from the president and, of course, pelosi and reid take their cue from him, is well we are not going to renegotiate obama care. it's the law of the land. the supreme court said it was good and we are going to go with it we don't care if it works or not. obviously it isn't working. we will prove that in the next segment. you know, again, i'm going to ask you, it's an opinion question. are the democrats saying no we are not going to give in on anything and that's it? is that what it is about on the one hand, bill, there are people who will be tempted to look at this situation and say here is a president, here is the democratic party in the senate who are more eager to negotiate with hasan rouhani than with john boehner. from the democrats' point of view and from the president's point of view, his calculus is why should i, every time now -- why should i set a precedent whereby every time we have some routine funding bill that has to be negotiated let the republicans cherry pick some new part, some new passage in obama care to attach to it they don't see the legitimacy of this linkage between obama care and funding the government. >> bill: look, i think you can probably make good arguments on both sides that yeah let's get. the fact is this is embarrassing, albania works better than this. >> both sides have legitimate complaints legitimate ideas. the neither side is willing to accept the legitimacy of the other side's complaints. >> bill: albania works better than this because -- wait, wait, wait, cammeron. >> their policies, their proposals, even if he they're legitimate from their own perspectives doesn't necessarily mean that shutting down the government is the solution. >> bill: cammeron, look, look, look. >> that's where the debate is because there are constitutional ways to readdress obama care. can you pass a law, overright a veto, win an lerkz, take over. those are the prescribed ways for undoing. >> what the problem is now is you have a law that's been passed, and legitimately passed and upheld by the supreme court that's falling apart. >> sure. >> it's falling apart. >> that's not clear, bill. that's not clear. >> it's clear to me, rosen. if you just hang around for the next segment i will prove it to you. this law is falling apart it seems to me it's incumbent on our leadership in both parties to admit it's not really working out well. >> think how frustrated some of those. >> bill: find a solution within the framework of making it better. let rosen. rosen is challenging me. okay? i want the government on both sides, including the president, to say this is not really working that well. let's try to find a way to make it better and in the meantime, if we have to give in here and there, we will. what is wrong with that rosen? what i'm go to say bill does not require me either to endorse or condemn obama care. obama care is a program. one sixth of our economy which is what healthcare amounts to. if you go back in time and look at any great lower case g great venture on the part of the united states government. whether it was the defeat of fascism, the space race and the landing of a man on the moon and safely returning him to earth. the attempt to prevent south vietnam from falling into communist hands, any of those large scale ventures, which go on for years, if you looked at the first three years of them, and we have had three years since the passage of obama care from the president's point of view it really just started rolling out yesterday, all of those ventures would have, if you look back at the first three years, you would see that all of those ventures include ventures, starts and stops, major problems, minor problems to. say that it's not working when the exchanges went online yesterday i think is premature. >> bill: it's not premature. >> bill: i have got to go because we are up against a hard break. >> welfare reform finance reform all the time. always reopened and tweaked. >> bill: you have to tweak when there is danger. the president himself said to corporations, i'm going to give you another year because this isn't working. but he won't do it to the folks. that's where it falls down. gentlemen, thanks. next on the rundown, obama care not ready for prime time as i said and pretty much everybody knows it except rosen. later ben carson says the irs is annoying him because of obama care. of obama care. my wife takes centrum silver. i've been on the fence about it. then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study... so i guess my wife was right. 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