Rally. You cant see him in this video were going to show you. But watch what happened when a Trump Campaign staffer told the crowd he was there. I dont know if any of you were watching television when we had this lady go to southern West Virginia to tell us, i think her quote before was, im going to put a lot of coal miners and Coal Companies out of work. But there was a courageous guy there that sat at that table in williamson, i believe, and asked her a question. His name is beau copley. Is beau here . Could you stand up and be recognized . Well, now we are seeing reports that suggest appalachia is swinging from clinton country to trump, as the businessman continues to connect with the working class. In moments well talk about that was Michael Moore, a Bernie Sanders supporter who says democrats have reason to be concerned about mr. Trumps chances. But we begin tonight with Trace Gallagher reporting from our west coast newsroom. Trace . Megyn, donald trump is trying to convince West Virginia voters that hes dead serious about supporting coal and bringing back jobs. And as the political pendulum swings, he is gaining a captive audience. Consider that in 1992 bill clinton dominated coal country, so much so that in many counties along the Appalachian Mountains clinton won 70 of the vote. But there is clearly a democratic decay, erosion that was helped along by the Obama Administration declaring war on coal. With the president vowing to bankrupt new coal plants. And then Hillary Clinton appearing to double down saying, quote, we are going to put a lot of coal miners and Coal Companies out of business. Clinton called her comment a misstatement, but trump wont soon let her forget. Watch. See, im going to put the miners back to work. She said, im going to put the miners and the mines out of business. And then she comes over and tried to explain her statement. Thats a tough one to explain. And its not just coal. Trump is also vowing to rebuild Industries Like steel and manufacturing in an effort to put the rust belt back in play for republicans. And a new poll by the Pew Research Center showed 49 of voters believes that u. S. Involvement in the Global Economy lowers wages and cost jobs. 44 think Global Engagement is a good thing. Its interesting because in the primaries republicans who want less global trade largely supported donald trump. Democrats who want less global trade largely supported Bernie Sanders, an indication that Hillary Clinton has some catching up to do there as well. Megyn . Trace, thank you. My next guest has warned democrats they better take mr. Trump seriously because of his appeal to working class voters like these miners. Michael moore is an oscar winning filmmaker and director of where to invade next, which is out tuesday on demand on dvd and itunes. Michael, great to see you again. And poster boy at fox news. Right. Youre practically the cohost. Good to see you. Thanks for having me back. What do you mean by that, the democrats dont take trump seriously at their own peril . Ive taken him seriously. I mean, i felt last fall that he would be the republican nominee. I think that a lot of people just treated it as a joke. Yes, its funny and i laugh at all the jokes. But i would not i would he says things. He goes to places where im from like michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, et cetera, and tells them that apple should be building those iphones in the u. S. , not china. That sounds very good. Goes to syracuse the first nine years i grew up and said carrier shouldnt be moving out of syracuse. He says hell put tariffs on cars that they move out of the u. S. Very appealing. Yes. I also dont think its true. I think donald trump is a big believer in capitalism and Free Enterprise and the sort of thing thats driven us into the ground, this belief that you can just do whatever you want and it doesnt matter who gets hurt by it. I dont really see him changing, but i think he knows hes been on tv, you know . Hes a performance artist. He knows what to say and he knows how to make this appeal. You think its b. S. . I think its please, dont use that kind of language. But yes, i megyn, this is the flagship show of fox news. Oh, thank you. I want to go on the record. Like the way you make me sound. Go on. Well, it is. Listen, you and i sitting here, weve lowered the age demographic by at least 36 years. What do you mean . Are you ripping on my 100yearold nan na watch the kelly file. No. But i think fox is going to commercial sooner than i expected. The floor is yours. Theyve got to sell something. Listen, i think that everybody i think everybody now is taking donald trump very seriously. Yes. And everybody who thought he was a joke last summer has been proven wrong. Right. So nobody should treat it like its a joke now. As a Bernie Sanders supporter, do you believe hes all but out . No. I dont believe its over. You still think he can take the nomination. I think hes won 18 states. Hes ahead in 6 of the last 9 primary. But mathematically hes been ruled out. That will be no, he has not been ruled out mathematically. Plus, i think theres theres two big el he fants in the room with both trump and clinton. We dont know whats going to happen between now and the convention because there are these issues. I think it was reported on the news earlier this evening that her personal assistant has now been interrogated by the fbi. Theyve given immunity youre counting on the fbi to no. Im with sanders erers when he enough with the damn emails. Dont care about that at all. Im just saying trump is being investigated by the irs. Hes got other things going on. Hillary has things going on. We dont really know in this year of all years, how can we predict whats going to happen in the next few months . Of y. You can predict because nobody could predict trump and nobody would predict that a socialist would win 45 de of t delegates exs ahead of six of the next primaries. You and i know the superdelegates will not let Bernie Sanders get this nomination. I dont know anything anymore. Im not a pundit. Thats what they tell me. Heres my question to you. Lets say it is trump clinton. As a sanders supporter but a guy who understands the working class, has made some films involving them, from flint, michigan, could you ever get behind donald trump . Only to help push him somewhere. I cant say it. He has secret service protection. I shouldnt say that. Youll be the one getting pushed. I would push him into a more gentle place away from everybody. So never trump . Absolutely. Are you kidding me . There are some sanders supporters, a small number, who would consider donald trump. This man eats pizza with a fork. I thought that was john kasich. No, no. That was well, that was trump in a previous election. I dont think trump eats pizza with a fork. Hes a lifetime normer, hes from queens. Thats impossible. Thats the problem be with trump. Ive lived for 25 years between michigan and new york. Im one of those people who summer here and winter in michigan. Dont explain it. You mean that one person. Thats right. You and i know because weve known trump for how many years. Ive been on shows with trump back in the 90s. This is a man who supported planned parenthood, who was for gay rights. Yes, he was a big blow hard and he wanted his name and everything but he also put the ice skating rink back in central park. Thats right. So hes not what hes made himself out to be to these people who vote for him. So couldnt a guy like you get behind him . No. His problem is going to be when he tries to walk back all the crazy stuff he said, whats going to happen to all the people who voted for that crazy stuff . You think youll abandon trump . I think i should say i hope that we see the biggest landslide loss ever when whoever the democratic nominee is beats donald trump. You know theyre banking on he may lose some women, some hispanics, some young people and africanamerican, he will make it up with the white working class, the very region hes touring through, appalachia and elsewhere, because hes appealing to them and clinton has made some mistakes. Heres the math problem. 19 , thats all, 19 of the country are white guys over the age of 35. Thats it. We only make up 19 of the country. And a number of those 19 are me. So hes got a big problem. 81 of the country is either female, people of color or young adults between the ages of 18 and 35. He has offended each of these groups to such a significant degree that he cant win a majority of those groups, 81 of the country. So the math isnt with him. But having said that, what he has on his side is that republicans this is one thing i admire about republicans get up in the morning and vote. They will be at their polls at 6 00 a. M. My side, we only see 6 00 a. M. If weve been partying all night, you know . Does that happen . Does what happen . The partying all night on the far left side. I have photos if youd like to see. No. No one needs to see that. Thats right. We are on a family network. But seriously, i think that the problem here is that my side, such as you want to describe it its a crazy, wild, lots of different kind of people on this side of the political fence are the majority of the country now. They know that. The other side knows theyve lost the culture war. Gays can get married. People in most states can use the bathroom that they think they should be in. Trump is not the warrior to reverse any of that. Nor does he pretend to be. Thats why hell try to get people in the mushy middle to be with him. Hes going to walk back some of his craziness. What worries you if anything about hillary . Other than the fbi primary, what worries you . My fear is that if she was president wed find ourselves in another war. She voted for the iraq war. Her whole you think shes more of a hawk than trump . I was going to say more than obama. More than obama. What did you think when you heard trump saying bush lied to get us into the iraq war and knew about 9 11 . That sounded like you. Well, no. I dont i didnt say that. I was against the iraq war. I turned out to be right. I was in a minority at the time. And i was lambasted significantly on a particular network. Do you believe that bush lied to get us into the iraq war . No. I believe that he was asleep at the wheel. I believe you dont believe there was conscience malfeasance. He was incompetent. He received on august 6th a month before 9 11 i know. I know. He received a report that said Osama Bin Laden to attack the united states. Im talking about malfeasance. Yes, do you want me to explain the difference to you . I have a dictionary in my back pocket, too. Trump at a debate actually accused you went to college. I didnt. George w. Bush of willingly lying to get us into the iraq war. And if youre not willing to go that far, its interesting because you and trump are further down the scale. Hes farther down the scale on the left on that issue than you are. I would never call him on the left. What i think is that bushs Administration Lied about the weapons of mass destruction. I think they knew those weapons were not there. And for that particular thing they did lie about that. Then hes not hes tied with you on the scale. Hes not anywhere near me. Ill tell you, hes if everybody gets up at 6 00 a. M. On election day in november, hes not going to make it. Believe me. Biggest landslide loss ever donald trump. This is the dvd where to invade next. I know that movie. I made that movie. Trump says you dont have to worry about this with him because hes the guy who doesnt want to start all these wars. I have to leave it at that. Always a pleasure, mr. Moore. Thank you for having me on, megyn. Whatever you decide to do, youre like the lebron james here at fox news. Youre a free agent, year to year. Ive read the gossip columns. You may be going to maybe abc, whatev whatever. Oh, wow, you know more than i do. I know many things, one trump will lose and you wont be here for long. Oh, wow, what have you heard . Get a good agent, a good lawyer and youll be fine. After you go, my guys will explain to me the lebron james reference because they know i know nothing about sports. I know hes a good basketball player. Thats it. Roger, im just kidding shes staying goodbye, its over between us. Until the next time. Until the next time. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Just hours before this West Virginia rally weve been looking at, House Speaker paul ryan dropped a bit of a bombshell on the Trump Campaign. And the number two man at the rnc is next on that. Plus, Donald Trump Tweets about his love for a good taco salad and the clinton team unloads with some spicy hot attacks. Weve got folks from both camps here tonight as the fajitas get ready to fly. Then a new case of free speech silenced on campus as students in one university are students in one university are even 00 coura you wouldnt order szechuan without checking the spice level. It really opens the passages. Waiter. Water. So why would you invest without checking brokercheck . Check your broker with brokercheck. Are not equal especially when it comes to reducing lead in your water. Zerowaters fivestage filter is the only one certified by the nsf to reduce lead lead that conventional, two stage filters may leave behind. 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Were not going to be dealing with the kinds of problems the democrats will be dealing with at their convention and donald trump will have the time to put together the general campaign structure, work with the rnc. That was Trump CampaignConvention ManagerPaul Manafort on the kelly file last night suggesting the Presumptive Republican nominee has plenty of time to work with the rnc before the convention. But today the New York Times painted a different picture reporting that some Staff Members at the rnc were told that if they the arent able to get behind the current nominee they should leave by the end of the week. And that was before we heard this from House Speaker paul ryan just a few hours ago. You have said throughout this process that you will support the republican president ial nominee. Now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. Will you support him . Well, to be perfectly candid with you, jake, im just not ready to do that at this point. Im not there right now. There are lots of questions that conservatives i think are going to want answers to, myself included. I want to be part of this unifying process. Joining me now, sean spicer, Communications Director and chief strategist for the rnc. Sean, good to see you. Good evening. Lets start with the New York Times report. You sent out a message saying it wasnt true. But are you suggesting that the New York Times got it flat wrong, that no one no, no, im not suggesting it. Im going to say it. It was 100 false. It was made up. There was no such meeting that talked about a nominee or mr. Trump or anyone. It was patently false. Weve asked for a correction, frankly demanded a correction. This is the New York Times making up news. I guess it is provocative and it probably got them some clicks but its downright bad journalism when you make up news. Lets talk about paul ryan. Sure. Because the party wants unity and there you have one of if not the most powerful republican in the country refusing to give it. Well, he talked about if you listen to what speaker ryan said throughout the interview, his goal is to get there. I think he also talks about the fact that he, like myself and most folks that have been paying close attention to this process, believe we definitely go to june 7th. Ted cruz made it clear he wanted to stay in. There was no way donald trump and he still cant get the requisite 1237 delegates to officially become the presumptive nominee of our party. There was an suassumption we wod have more time. Were fortunate to unify quicker and focus on the general election. I think speaker ryan and mr. Trump are going to sit down and talk about what they need to hear. Wait, did you say trump cant get to 1237 . I said nobody else is in the race. Hes the presumptive nominee, right . No, no. He will be the presumptive nominee on june 7th. Thats exactly what we said the other night. Come on. That doesnt prevent paul ryan from saying hell support him. No, no, no. Megyn, hold on. I didnt say that. I said no one expected us to have a presumptive nominee until june 7th. I get that. But then paul ryan agreed to go on cnn and jake tapper and knew hed be asked about trump. You mean he was caught off guard . No one believe thats, sean. He said that for a reason. Maybe he did. All i can tell you is from what i understand the two individuals are going to meet next week, talk about the concerns they have, the issues that need to be raised. What are the issues . Between them . I dont know. I dont speak for paul ryan. You speak for the rnc. Great but were not part i dont have a problem. Youre not hearing me have a problem with paul ryans agenda or mr. Trumps issues right now. Its between the two of them. Theyre going to sit down and iron them out. Weve had a bloody primary where people have gone at it. I think theres a call for unity. Mr. Trump acknowledged that the other night. The chairman acknowledged that that the party needs to unify. We had 17 great candidates that went at it pretty well. You were part of the process. You saw these guys going at it. Now we have the opportunity to sit back as a party, come together and understand the big picture which is defeating Hillary Clinton in november. More people participated in this process than ever before. That ace great thing for the party. But tensions were high and passions were there. Some people really had it for had a passion for one or two particular candidates at different times. Now we need to come together. Paul ryan has two choices right now, trump and Hillary Clinton. He chose undecided today. No. What paul ryan said is i want to get there, i want to talk to him about the issues. Hes going to do that, and i feel very confident he wants to do it, he understands the importance of party unity. Mr. Trump said the same tuesday night. Look, were 48 hours out of indiana where this came kind of as a shock. I get that. Were going to come together. But the reality is what it is, right . Right. We know who the players are. Look at the reality. Were here. The democrats are still fighting it out. We will be unified coming out of cleveland and going into november. I promise it will be a Great Convention and democrats will have the problems in philadelphia. Great to see you, sean. Thanks. Joining me with more, fox news digital editor chris stirewalt. What did you think of that . Popcorn. This show is a Freight Train today. Im just sitting here taking it in. West virginia, your hometown. Those are my people. Im not messing with you, counselor. Im feeling frisky. Is frisky the word . Spicy. Something. Whatever. Seriously, paul ryan has two choices, and he didnt exactly say never trump. No. But in what world does the House Speaker who is a republican not say, yes, im going to get behind the nominee . It just underscores the weirdness of the trump candidacy, the trump victory, and the position the party is in right now. And the fact that donald trump is not running as a traditional republican. Right . He is runs as you heard his speech on tuesday night, what was he talking about . He was talking about issues, some of which is on hillarys left. You and Michael Moore were talking about it. He is less hawkish than her, to the left on Hillary Clinton on Foreign Policy and intervention ux. He talked about his desires to spend more on domestic projects in the united states, infrastructure spending, more dovish less interventionist Foreign Policy. And then against free trade, those are things that paul those are core beliefs that people like paul ryan have. So they have nine weeks to the convention. Not just that, stirewalt. But look at the Republican Party platform. These things they agree on and thane thats the standard bearer. Its prolife without exceptions, no rape, no incest exception. He favors those. It certainly doesnt praise planned parenthood. Im not saying this to be critical or not of donald trump. Im saying theres a clear divide between the party who is going to organize this convention along with mr. Trump and their nominee. You could hear some of that with paul ryan saying, hmm, well, ill call you. Call me maybe. Theyre trying to bring trump to heel. Remember, they have the money. He needs the dough. He said today hes going to need the dough. He wont selffund. Needs it bad. In order to get that money, he has to get the republicans now, he has a Democratic Fund raiser hes bringing in as his finance guy. But hes going to need raise money from a lot of traditional republican sources, and basically paul ryan is saying this is the cost. If you want the dough that you need to contest the general election, you have to come to the right on some of these issues, not run as a democrat. But thats how he loses. If he runs as a traditional republican, he will get ruined. I think weve seen that the party has been unable to outsmart trump. I mean, have we not learned that lesson over the past year . Theyre in the boat. Hes the shark. They think theyre hunting him. Hes hunting them. Thank you, mr. Stirewalt. Yes, maam. He always brings it home, doesnt he . Just the right way of putting things. We also have new fallout from a trump tweet about Cinco De Mayo and how it is drawing serious fire now from the clinton campaign. And wait until you see what was under that bowl. We have folks representing both cams with us next. Plus, an interview you will not want to miss. Watch this, the crew, we were all mesmerized by this. The father of scientology leader David Miscavige is here with new insights on the church, how he escaped, and why he calls his own son ruthless. Did you ever go to david and say, what are you doing . Believe me when i tell you that would have been such an improper question i would have never said it. Why . Announcer from the World Headquarters of fox news, its the kelly file with megyn kelly. Welcome back, everybody. There is a new trump tweet tonight under attack from the hillary camp. In a message sent just hours ago, mr. Trump is seen eating a taco bowl and he writes happy cinco die mayo, the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. I love pass panics. Ms. Clinton then suggests that mr. Trump wants to deport all pass panics not just the ones here illegally and some are saying theyre offended. Joining me ka treent na pierson and robert simmer man dnc committee member. Congrats on your victory. Thank you. Okay, so democratic senator from connecticut tweets out, this is a joke, right . This whole thing is a joet. People taking offense at the taco bowl hispanic link. People take offense to everything mr. Trump does. Its Cinco De Mayo. Hes touting the food at his grill and i can probably give you a hundred different instances where mr. Trump says i love hispanics. He says i love everyone all the time. Come on, katrina. Its like the claiming he loves jews. Come on. Is it. Lets be serious. Mr. Trump has been advocating an agenda, repeating the worst, most horrible bigoted stereotypes of mexicans, advocating deportation and a religious law to keep people out of the country. Even the leading conservatives are condemning the trump agenda. Robert, her tweet today which says, i love hispanics, trump 52 minutes ago, theyre going to be deported, trump yesterday is not exactly correct. He never says hes going to deport all hispanics. When youre deporting undocumented people, youre forcing their families who are here legally to go with them. This is also the current law of the united states. Because politicians have failed miserably for decades, someone that wants to enforce the law is racist and bigoted . Absolutely not. Mr. Trump tweeted and touted the food at his grill and said i love hispanics. The statistics he showed regarding the immigrants coming into this country, thats homeland people are saying theyre ticked off because, among other reasons, not all hispanics are mexicans. Absolutely. Frankly, it comes up mexicans being rapists and murderers is also ugly. Take that up with the department of homeland security. No facts justify that. Hes viewed unfavorably 7 out of 10 hispanics says the latest Washington Post abc news poll. There was a poll done a couple of months before that showed it even higher. How does he get out from under that . Ill start with you on that, katrina . What hes going to do is continue to draw the contrast of trumps vision of america. Theyre going to vote on the economy. They want jobs, absolutely. They want quality education. They dont want what theyve had the whole time. Hillarys message is old and is hasnt worked. Her president was husband for two terms. She was secretary of state. Things are worst today. What donald trump has accomplished is hes united republicans and democrats behind Hillary Clinton. Youre seeing her numbers excel not just among hispanics but among women, among people of color, the mainmainstream. Thats whats so unique about the trump candidacy. Its been so divisive you now see leading republicans either ignoring it or many standing against it. If that were true megyn, you wouldnt see liberals coming out on every network in fear of trump winning states that are supposed to go democrat. Because you cant be kmrais end. Thats the whole point. Even Michael Moore said that. What did you think of that, paul ryan if. With regard to paul ryan, hes absolutely right. Mr. Trump september out a statement saying, wedont want to get on board with the paul ryan agenda. You cant say youre antispending and then grow government exponentially and highfive the trilliondollar ive got to go. I cant let you go without asking you why underneath the taco bowl there was a picture of marla maples, trumps exwife, who is in people magazine. It was people. It sounded more interesting. Of course, the internet sleuths started to look at everything. Marla maples in a bathing suit shes in people magazine. We also have an eyeopening report tonight on whats really happening with students at a Major University. Plus, a mustsee interview with the father of the scientology leader David Miscavige. Leader David Miscavige. His fatherhey, jesse. Who are you . Im vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. Orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. Over time, your money could multiply. Hello, all of you. 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You were in the socalled sea elevation, the elevated part of scientology. Right. Like the equivalence of the did you know l. Ron hubbard. Never met him, no. So you got involved and got your son involved when he was how old . 9. You said by the time he got to be what, 12, 13 . He was studying scientology almost exclusively . He was like a phenomenon. He took to this like a fish to water. Tell us about the religion as a whole because its obviously controversial. Its done a lot of people a lot of good. Yeah. And one of its core messages is, if you have a negative influence in your life, you can shut that negative influence out and focus on the positive and move forward. Right. However, its controversial because you write in your book about abusing people. Yeah. Tell us about that. Well, the actual philosophy of scientology is not something im against. Like i dont want to condemn it. And i dont condemn it because when you first get in, were talking about at the bottom of the bridge, the whole thing is called a bridge to total freedom. At the bottom level, you take courses and you do drills and exercises on communication. You can get counseling or what we call auditing that will help you with your interpersonal relationships. And they have files on everybody who has done the auditing sessions. Absolutely. John travolta, tom cruise. Absolutely. Theres something called the hole where they put people who they believe need discipline. Yeah. According to your book, physical beatings are a part of being in the hole. That i dont know about. I do know this, that the people in the hole would spend all day confessing their sins and some of the people in there, if they werent getting what they thought was the sins out of the person, they would resort to physical things. Is it true if you get sent to the hole you have to clean the floor with your tongue . I heard that one guy did, cleaned the bathroom with his tongue, yes. I didnt see this, but i heard it from reliable sources. Did you ever go to david and say, what are you doing . Believe me when i tell you that would have been such an improper question, i would have never said it. Why . You just didnt do it. He was like the supreme leader. You didnt challenge him on anything. Your own son. My own son. Listen, he called me ron. He didnt call me dad. He sent me presents and he would send me a card that said dad. But in person it was ron. When i was there, i was a staff member. I was not his father. Except on my birthday. And truth fully he would usually give me a nice spread from a very nice restaurant in l. A. Down to where we were, give me nice presents. I appreciated that, but i would never challenge him. Ever. And im going to tell you he wasnt always that way, megyn. When he was a kid, he was a loveable little kid. I mean, he had a great sense of humor. We got along great. And he was a smart kid. We would pull jokes at times. He went from that like this, from dr. Jekyll to mr. Hyde. Let me ask you because you admit that you abused your first wife. Absolutely. I have no excuses. That you punched her. Yes. Repeatedly. No, not repeatedly and never in the face. Never like beating her up like has been said about me. How many times did you . I dont know. Maybe all the time over a tenyear period would happen maybe once a month or Something Like that. I know what my daughters said. They also said i beat them up with my fists, which is a complete lie. Well, what is punching . I never punched my daughters. Just your wife. In the arm or in the back. Look, i regret it. I dont know what to say to you. Im not making excuses for it. It was a horrible thing. Whi got in scientology, the day i got in scientology, i realized i had whats called a case. I realized i was dramatizing things that i saw growing up. There was never any so they discourage that, scientology discourages that kind of abuse. Absolutely. After having been in scientology for 40plus years, you decided to leave. And the word you use is is to escape. Thats correct. Why did you have to escape . Megyn, you cannot walk out that gate. Heres the life i was living. If you wanted to send a letter to somebody, you had to let the envelope open with the stamp on it and youd send it to security. They would read it. If it was okay, theyd seal it and send it out. If it wasnt, youd get it back and it would tell you, you cant say these things. Where were you living . On a compound. So everything is controlled. Everything is controlled. You dont have a telephone. You go through a switch board operator. If you were to make a call, there is another person listening on the other end of the call. When my brother died and my nephew girard told me about it, i had crystal simmons listening on the extension. When my nephew told me, my dads dad. Goddamn, you couldnt go off the base to get a pair of underwear, go to walmart. So how did you escape . Well, its a hell of a story. Ive got to tell you because we planned it for about six months. And my biggest cover on it was the fact that i was 76 years old and i was davids father. Nobody would have expected me to escape. That sunday morning, which was march 25, 2012, i went to a remote gate. There was two gates. One was the main booth where the security was and then there was one a little farther down where they just had a camera there to see who you were and you pressed a button. If they recognize you, they may ask, where are you going . What are you doing . I went and pressed the button. On the way over to there, there were two people, security guards, on duty. There was one guy who was in our galley who was eating breakfast. He had what they call the chase car, which is used to go after anybody if they were trying to escape. I know. Theyre going to chase you down. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like a prisoner. Like a prisoner. Thats right. So now and i know urgen was in the main booth. I drove past the galley and saw the car was tout there. By the time i got to the gate, i tell you my heart was in my throat. I hit the buzzer. He didnt even ask me who i was. He was used to me going across. He opened up the gate. I slowly moved out. I said, becky, were turning left. I trumed p on the accelerator, down the road, i must have been going 75 if i got there. If i turned right, i would go to 10, l. A. , left id be going into town. I figured, hes going to figure im take the highways. So i turned left to go into town, went into the boon docks and we were free. Fascinating, ron. Thank you very much for coming on and telling your story. Again, the book is called ruth less. All the best to you. Thank you. And the church of scientology has denied rons allegations in full and called them sad as a product of a father that they say was taken care of by his son david. 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The students are now required to complete a course on social and culturalal diversity with a goal of helping students create change towards social justice and to hold attitudes which value cultural differences. Great to see you pete. Thanks for having me. Theres nothing wrong with diversity classes, but when youre trying to push towards social justice which is a dicey terms in some circles and not everybody believes in the fuel principal is a different thing. When its a mandatory course, but theres no mandatory course on the constitution clearly you have one perspective. Social justice is akin to western civilization and you say you be for whatever cause you think is just based on race, class and gender and it moves left. There is no reinforcement of the things that made this country great so were no longer creating american citizens, were forging these citizens the world. Citizens of the world are terrible citizens of their own country because theyre worried about causes for humanity. There was a whole movie about this and sort of underscored whats been taught in the colleges. If you pull out a principal and lets talk about inequality, lets talk about injustice it sounds fine, but when you put it in practice and hear it taught, its all about bashing republicans and conservatives and people who dont think like some on the left do which now were in new ter toe. We did a story last night from jason reilly where he was disinvited from a school and they have reoffered this invitation. Youre book is about this too and whats happening where free speech is being shut down. They dont want their safe spaces. They want a onesided conversation and they want to shut you down and they want to be coddled. Theyre being coddled. And it takes toughness for both men and women to stand up and say what america has is exceptional. 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