Back its borders. I just signed two executive orders that will save thousands of lives, millions of jobs and billions and billions of dollars. Paul lets bring in wall street journal columnist and Deputy Editor dan henninger, columnist mary to grady, and washington columnist kim strassel. So whatever you think of the start of the Trump Administration, kim, you cant say its slow. [laughter] so starting with the wall, hes following through on a Campaign Promise, but is this going to Pass Congress . Look, he is following through on a Campaign Promise, and republicans at least for the moment seem to be behind him on this. I think there are some republicans in washington who even think, look, even if they dont agree with this idea, they dont think a wall is necessarily the fix to our immigration problem, they believe that if they were to get behind, put it up, maybe it would take some of the poison out of this debate, they could move on to other things, you know . But President Trump is making it very difficult by simultaneously beginning, potentially, a trade war, an angry exchange with one of our closest neighbors. Paul all right. Were going to talk about mexico, but, joe, whats the cost of this if you built the whole wall . What congress is talking about right now, its about 15 billion paul 15 billion. For border enforcement. You know, t its about 16 million a mile, theres 650 million miles of wall or 650 miles of wall up right now. A lot of the border is the rio grande. Are we going to build a wall in the middle of it or block views of it . The specifics still need to paul and theres a question of whether or not the wall is really the way to solve the immigration issue, because, in fact, most people who stay here illegally now are not coming over the border, theyre coming in legally and just overstaying their visas, mary. Yeah, thats true. I mean, most people arrive at the airport, then they disappear, and you never find them. Paul right. To joes point, theres a lot of ways to secure the border. Theres a lot of modern electronic surveillance and so forth. President trump seems to like to use the wall as a metaphor for this kind of keeping mexicans and foreigners from south of the border out of our country. And i think he relies heavily on that metaphor for his political theatrics. Were he to get into the details of it, it wouldnt be nearly so powerful for his base. Paul but it is something he did have to do, dan. I want to go to the sanctuary cites issue which is basically saying were not going to help the government enforce federal immigration law, and we have a couple of clips here i want to listen to. Were going to stay a sanctuary city. There is no stranger among us. We welcome people, whether youre from poland or pakistan, whether youre from ireland or india or israel, and whether youre from mexico or moldova where my grandfather came from, you are welcome in chicago as you pursue the american dream. Were ready to challenge, for sure. If there is action taken under the executive action taken to take away funding from new york city, well be in court an hour later. The executive order is contradictory and something we feel we can fight. Paul theres a long history, dan, of cities and states resisting federal law. And some of it heroic. The fugitive slave act, some northern states refused to enforce it, honorably so, and historically that looks like the heroic thing to have done. In this case though, the thing you have to do is they can cut off funding. Yeah. Paul and if youre going to do that, youre not going to enforce federal immigration law, then youve got to maybe accept that the federal governments going to cut off funds. Yeah. I think the president is on stronger constitutional grounds here. It is a federal law, which they are refusing to comply with. These mayors are talking about protecting immigrants. Well, look, there are immigrants and there are immigrants. The law is applying to people who are here illegally, right . Paul thats correct. And this is the main complaint that a lot of conservatives have with the presence of these people, that theyre breaking the law. Thats separate from the issue of whether theyre contributing to the economy of places like chicago and new york and whether theyre taking jobs that americans would be willing to accept other side. Paul and i think, kim, to the president s credit, what he does do is hes focusing in this early order at least on criminal illegal aliens. Thats where they say theyre going to focus their deportation and arrest enforcement focus. And that was another Campaign Promise, you know . He came out very strong in the beginning, but as soon as he got closer to taking office, he said that, look, were just going to focus on the really bad elements. And thats something that actually does resonate across broad swaths of the political electorate. I agree with kim on that, but i do also think that it would help if he coupled this with a pledge to overhaul the immigration and naturalization services. Anybody will tell you that if you try to apply legally, itll take you ten years to get residency in this country. We, the reason we have so many mexican immigrants is because we needed the labor. And we need to have a system whereby we can take in that labor legally. Paul i agree with you. But the hope would be that somehow the you enforce the border and look like youre doing it, maybe as kim suggested some of the poise be son, the polarization comes occupant of the political debate, and you end up with more willingness to do what mary described. The politics of immigration right now are stuck. So the hope is that focus on enforcement first, get the economy growing again, people feeling better about their individual lives and then maybe we return to this issue in a couple years when things are under control. Paul all right, mary, lets talk about the mexican flap, the president of mexico canceling the visit after donald trump said, no, youll pay for the wall after he invited the mexican president here. Did he have any choice but to cancel . Oh, he had absolutely no choice. In mexico, you know, theres also a domestic political environment, and mexicans feel that President Trump is belittling them, humiliating them, making them agree to pay for the wall which they have no intention of doing. The wall is an insult to them. But more broadly, they also feel that the north American Free trade agreement is good for both countries, and theyre trying to say to President Trump tell us what you want to negotiate, because its not clear. He says he wants to open nafta, but its not clear what he wants other than to get them to pay for his wall. Paul and another issue, dan, extreme vetting of immigrants, particularly from countries like syria and others. Hes going to follow through on that well, i think, you know, extreme vetting, i think, is essentially a total ban on people coming from those because the extreme vetting is that theyre going to allow them or make the basis of entry their ideologies, whether theyre involved with honor killings and whether guilty of bigotry and hate, essentially islam. And i think we have to understand that is what they are talking about. They i think yemen, libya and the rest is effectively putting a total ban on immigrants from those countries. Paul all right. Were all going to try to catch our breath after this first trump week. When we come back, the Trump Administration and the media. The relationship is, no doubt, off to a rocky start. So what can get it back on track . Well ask former White House Press secretary Ari Fleischer next. Theres a lot of places you never want to see 7. 95. [ beep ] but youll be glad to see it here. Fidelity where smarter investors will always be. G new cars. Youre smart. You already knew that. But its also great for finding the perfect used car. Youll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. Now youre even smarter. This is truecar. I have a running war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. [laughter] [cheers and applause] some members of the media were engaged in deliberately false reporting. This kind of dishonesty in the media, the challenging, the bringing about our nation together is making it her difficult. A. Paul the new administrations relationship with the press corps off to a rocky start as the president and his spokesman tangle with the media on everything from the size of inaugural crowds to claims of voter fraud. So what will it take to get the relationship on the right track. Ari fleischer was White House Press secretary during the george w. Bush administration. Ari, welcome. Thank you, paul. Paul lets step back a bit and call on your experience and tell the audience how do you define the job of a press secretary . Well, theres two key parts to it, and theyre in order. First and foremost, you are responsible for representing the president. You need to know what hes thinking and reflect him, for better or worse. The second is youre responsible to help the press corps. [laughter] paul those are often in conflict. Its a tight wire between the two, and theres no net underneath you. But your job is the reflect both, but first the president. Paul the First Priority is to speak for the president and explain what hes doing and why. To elaborate. Paul so if he sends you out to say youre going to tell the press corps the following, and you say, yes, sir, and tell the rest corps that. Thats correct. And its your job to buttress what the president beliefs as you do research to find others who agree, and thats the crush on the rush of being the press secretary. Youve got an hour to do it, the briefings coming up, you better get your home work done fast. Paul what if what he tells you to say simply isnt true, or at least at the very minimum controversial . Well, controversy comes with the territory. Every day its going to be controversial. Thats the nature of the job, thats fine. The issue is if youre ever sent to Say Something thats not true, and can you cant do that. Paul you cant do that. Theres a difference between statistically or factually not true and something thats reflective of a controversial belief. When a republican says cutting tacts stimulates growth paul right. Everybody in the press is going to say theres no truth to that, no facts. Well, you can walk in armed with facts to rebut the press, and thats your job. Paul okay. So youve been watching sean spicer and trying to adjust to his job. Its a difficult job because the, you know, as you heard here, President Trump likes to use the press as a foil. Yes. Paul is, what advice do you have for sean spicer . Reflect your boss. Thats your job. Your job is to be true to the president of the United States who put you in that spot to reflect what hes thinking and why hes thinking it. Stand your ground. To so respecting the press, but dont be afraid to clash with the press paul dont be afraid to push back. Absolutely. Trust in the press is at a historical, alltime low paul paul did you have to bring that up, ari . [laughter] well, yes, i did. Its a serious sign of a backness in something that we should want weakness in something we should want to have trust in. I like to pick up a newspaper and accept categorically whats in it. But reporters mostly because of their desire to conflict everywhere have allowed people in the government to push back on them and have the country accept the pushback. Paul ive got a paper you can pick up and trust, ari, called the wall street journal. [laughter] can you recall youve been around for a while can you recall as hostile a relationship between the press corps and a new president . I can recall a hostile relationship at the end of the Nixon Administration thats where i was going to go. Paul but at the start of an administration. No, this is peculiar. [laughter] paul and it presents peculiar problems. Thats right. Face it, donald trump is a doublebarreled issue for the press, they dont like him personally or id lodge corral ideologically. My advice would be take the briefing off of live tv paul this is white house id tell the white house that, yeah, take the briefing off of live tv, let it be embargoed so you can use clips after its over, but dont make it a tv show in and of itself. Paul wouldnt that hurt the white house in the sense they get that advantage of getting the white house spokesman getting the white house argument out . Whats the advantage of that from the White House Point of view . Because i think its too hot, and its raising the briefing to a level where its a performance art. Its how can the press secretary fight, how can reporters fight, and tv reporters know theyre going to be covered live, boy, do they turn up the heat on the press secretary. Paul because they get praised by their colleagues for being tough right. Paul and, boy, that was a hell of a good question. And it makes everything look like a fight. As press secretary, its not always a fight. Often its a respectful conversation with a reporter where youre trying to convince them, no, youve got that wrong, dont go with that. Its not always a clash, doesnt have to be. Paul and whats your advice to those of us in the press corps if we really want to do our job which is to explain to the American Public whats going on . Im oldfashioned. Be neutral, be accurate, be fair. Ive got to tell you, paul, i think because of bias and selfselection of who goes into reporting, its too liberal, too culturally ununderstanding of much of america, and i dont think this Current Press corps in the mainstream is capable of do that. Paul and that gives an incentive to the white house to use alternative means which theyre using on social media, and thats part of trumps secret, is it not . And every president from now on is going to use social media and other mechanisms to go over and every president since Richard Nixon has tried to go around the Mainstream Press corps. Theres so many better ways for a white house to do it paul did you do it . Oh, of course. We would talk to local reporters in local cities, you call the minneapolis reporter, des moines directly, you go around the washington bureau. Paul thank you, ally. Pleasure to have you here. When we come back, President Trump resurrecting two pipelines that his predecessors left for dead. 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Weve issued executive orders to build the keystone and dakota pipelines [applause] and issued a new requirement for american pipelines to be made with American Steel and fabricated in the United States. Paul President Trump making good on another Campaign Promise this week, signing executive orders reviving the keystone xl and Dakota Access pipelines but insisting that the pipes be made in america with American Steel. Were back with dan, mary, joe and kim. So, joe, good move on the pipelines . Definitely. These are projects that have been blocked for years, in some cases decades purely out of political reasons. So it sends an important symbolic message that the administration is going to move forward, reduce regulatory delay for infrastructure, and theyre focused on getting private capital off the sidelines. Paul yeah, this is a free lunch for the taxpayers, and some of the job estimates vary, 20,000, 40,000 for the Keystone Pipeline depending on who you listen to. But theres no question that this is going to create jobs for the u. S. Economy, kim. Oh, yeah. And this is also, too, its sending a great message. Washingtons very excited about it as well because this is potentially a way forward on all of trumps infrastructure commitments as well too. If you can do these by sort of getting private entities to step up and do some of this, these projects and invest or even engaining in sort of public engage in sort of Public Private partnerships, that is something that also saves taxpayers a lot of money, and this is a model for that kind of approach. Paul kim, what about the idea that this also splits the Democratic Coalition between its environmental wing which has opposed these pipelines because they dont want any they want all fossil fuels to stay in the ground. And, of course, oil is a fossil fuel, so it flows through pipelines, and the union part of the Democratic Coalition who, of course, want to put their folks to work . One of the most important moments this week was donald trump on monday having all of those blue collar trade Union Leaders in there. There was not a single one from the Service Sector industry, the trade i mean, the unions from that thing like seiu or aflcio. These were all blue collar trade year ons and, yes, that thats finish unions, and thats a potential split. Paul it looks like the made in america steel means you might have to pay more to build the pipeline. How sad, because here donald trump had the opportunity to do something that was very free market, good for Wealth Creation in the United States, and instead hes saying capital cannot be allocated to its highest use. And, of course, thats how a country gets richer. He should know that. Hes allocated lots of capital in Foreign Countries through his businesses, so he knows the importance of that. Saying that the steel has to be made in the u. S. Is, undermines the large e point. Thats what he ran on, what the heck. [laughter] hes going to try to fulfill some of these campaign proms, whether the promises, whether the steel actually gets made here or not is another question altogether. Paul right. And thats right, because russ gerling may just decide were going to wild it however we build it however we think. Yeah, exactly. The democrats proposing a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, they were going to close for it by closing tax loopholes. Trumps advisers say theyre going to do it with tax credits paul private public and also with tax credits. But whether its tax credits or loopholes, youre talking about the infrastructure be bill beginning to impersonal injury on the impinge on the tax reform bill. Paul well, but let me push back on that because if the Infrastructure Spending becomes a lure to get democratic votes for tax reform, in other words, you say were going to take some of the tax repatriation money that comes back, or lets say were going to put a 10 tax on money stored overseas, and then youve got that its a trillion dollars, okay . Thats 100 billion. You take that money and say were going to allocate that to infrastructure, democrats. And, by the way, howd you like to support our tax bill . Thats not a bad deal. Its the kind of bargaining that supposedly will go on here, but im worried when you Start Talking about tax credits and closing loopholes or even as trump has suggested paying for the wall with an import tax on mexico, that this is all kind of turning the tax bill over to the lobbyists. Therell be a rush to yet all these special interests, something this there for them and will kill the basic point of the tax bill which is to give us a stronger economy than the 1. 9 president we had 1. 9 we had in the fourth quarter. Paul some of the republicans in congress arent are thrilled with what the democrats want which is just direct spending, as much as a trillion dollars over ten years. Yeah, i dont think its going to be direct spending at all. I dont think that can get through congress. Paul you think its going to be more like wilbur ross they propose to zed a proposed a fairly innovative tax credit, and there are Infrastructure Projects that, if vetted by the private sector, can pass a cost benefit test whether its water projects in california, building a tunnel under the hudson river, i mean, there are things that will add to economic growth, and if they keep it limited, i think this could really be a success. Paul okay. Thank you all. Still ahead, Donald Trumps trade retreat . The president pulls out of the transpacific partnership, but is the move a win for america or for china . Weve also withdrawn from the transpacific partnership, paving the way for new oneonone trade deals that protect and defend the american worker. And believe me, were going to have a lot of trade deals. But theyll be oneonone. They wont be a whole big mash pot. Paul President Trump or this week promising to negotiate oneonone trade deals following his withdrawal monday from the 12nation transpacific trade pact, a deal negotiated and signed by president president ot opposed by both mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. So, dan, another promise, Campaign Promise fulfilled. Theres no surprise here. But pulling out is the easy part. Now you have to deal with the fallout and the consequences. What are some of those likely to be. Well, a couple of consequences is that some of our trading partners are going to pursue trade deals on their own like tpp. Prime minister abe of japan has said that he would like to pursue a tpptype deal with the european union. And then the chinese are offering a similar kind of bill, trade bill, and abe says he would like to talk to the chinese about that. Paul thats being, thats moving along, and that includes southeast asia. Right. And the Prime Minister of australia has said similar sorts of things. Donald trump is saying explicitly i do not like these comprehensive, multination trade deals. In the future, the United States is going to do bilateral trade deals. That raises a host of questions about the efficiency of these trade bills and their benefit. But thats what he wants to do havenly because, as he has said, we will have a provision in there that allows us to pull out within 30 days and renegotiate any bilateral trade deal. Whether thats the best way to do trade or not, we are going to fall out. Paul we have a troupe of Prime Ministers through our office, and many of them have said hopefully this goes through, because if tpp fails, itll send a signal in asia that the u. S. Is retreating from asia which they were already worried about with president obama. So does the president , President Trump now have to do these kind of bilateral deals, particularly say with japan, to repair some of the damagesome. Yeah, i think it would be a matter of urgency. The u. S. Has 5 of the worlds population. It has to trade with the rest of the world. Now, the fact that he wants to do bilaterals is actually something thats promising. Its not the best case scenario, but at least hes not completely closing the u. S. Off. But if he doesnt get out to asia, i mean, the rest of the world is modernizing, the rest of the world is, has been a growing middle class, growing access to technology. They will trade amongst themselves. I mean, mexico, for example, has bilateral and other trade deals with many, many other countries in the world. So, you know, it can turn to australia and say, well, you know, maybe we could buy our Agricultural Products from you or from canada even though right now its a huge buyer of u. S. Agriculture products. Paul so, joe, one question i always get is, hey, if this is such a, this this is so damaging economically, killing this deal, why is the stock market at 20,000 . You know, whats the answer to that . Well, i think part of it is trumps larger agenda that investors are looking at and saying this is going to be pretty good for the domestic economy paul tax reform, deregulation, energy production, those things. Right. But its always, i think, going to be in tension with his trade opposition. And, but the question is really what does a trump trade deal look like. When he was in our offices a couple years ago, we asked him what do you look to for trade deals as a model. He couldnt, he didnt cite anything. So i think were going to have to see in practice what a good deal trump how trump views a good deal. Paul kim, i want to return here to the hex can fight mexican fight that we had this week because relationships with mexico, a friend, an ally, really have gone sour here in the first week of this administration. How serious is the damage, and is it something that you think the white house wants to repair, or does it really want a fight with mexico to be able to blow up nafta . Well, you know, joe said what does a trump trade deal look like. I think another question is who does he do trade deals with . We had theresa may, the british Prime Minister, offering to do a trade deal, and that would be something. But you look at the way in which hes been dealing with mexico, theres a very good chance, indeed, that nafta does just get blown up, and then maybe the trump people can blame it on mexico and thereby sort of fulfill a Campaign Promise. But also those countries that were in tpp, none of them are very happy the United States is withdrawing. Are any of them willing, do they really want to do a trade deal with the United States . European countries that were expected a sort of paneuropean trade agreement as well which trump is not going to do, are they willing to do bilateral trade deals . You have to have two partners here, and hes managing to offend a lot of people. Paul briefly, mary, theres an argument some people say, oh, well, naftas no big deal economically. Thats not true. You know, 40 of imports from mexico originated in the United States. For every dollar that the u. S. Imports from mexico, 40 cents was made in the u. S. Thats because goods are shipped across the border, value is added this mexico, and its shipped back in mexico, and its shipped back. With canada its 25 . Thats much higher than the rest of the world. With china its 4 . So mexico is an important relationship because it allows the u. S. To be globally competitive, it builds part of what it finisheses here and then exports paul and about six million american jobs depend on trade with mexico. Right. Paul more to come as we look ahead to next weeks muchanticipated Supreme Court announcement. Well preview President Trumps short list next. We have outstanding candidates, and we will pick a truly great Supreme Court justice. I dont want to live with the uncertainties of hep c. Or wonder whether i should seek treatment. I am ready. Because today theres harvoni. A revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. Harvoni is proven to cure up to 99 of patients. Whove had no prior treatment. It transformed treatment as the first cure thats. One pill, once a day for 12 weeks. Certain patients. Can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. Harvoni is a simple treatment regimen thats been prescribed to more than a quarter of a million patients. 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The big three names are neil gore such, 11th circuit paul William Pryor finish. Thank you. [laughter] and 3rd sir tut, tom hardman. These are all three extremely good judges and it really is a reflection, you know, trump launched off with this list of 21 at the beginning. I think it was a huge success for him. It was a situation where, you know, a lot of keys were looking conservatives were looking for something very reassuring during the campaign, and exit polls actually showed one in five conservatives said the Supreme Court was their number onish or shoe for voting. So i think he has a list of really good names. These are all winners. Paul and thats one of the reasons hes likely to pick somebody from the list even if he goes off of these three, because he views it as a political success for him. Right, for sure. And, you know, i think of these three theyre all solid conservatives, we know theyre all tex callists, people who really believe in interpret aring the constitution based on its original meaning. And i think the other thing is that they all have very long records. Thats something thats also important to conservatives here. Youre going to you know what youre going to get. Youre not going to end up with sort of a stealth liberal on the court. Neil gorsuch in particular has a record on religious freedom that a lot of conservatives are really going to like, and, you know, they should feel good about that. Paul heres another thing, theyre all relatively young. Neil, i think, is 49, thomas hardman, 51, William Pryor, 54. Given the fact that these are Lifetime Appointments on the Supreme Court and the stakes have become so high, you know, theres probably tougher if you get to be toward 60 to get a job on the Supreme Court. Yeah. No, thats for sure true, and many people think that may be why diane sykes sort of fell out of the running here, because, you know, theres paul shes from are the 7th circuit, and she is 59 years old. Correct, correct. And all of these judges are young. But, again, they have very strong records; religious liberty, the Administrative State, you know . So those are, those are all important issues. Paul it means that theyre willing to limit the Administrative State when you say that, and theyre willing to be more skeptical of regulation. I want to ask particularly about thomas hardman. He serves on the third circuit, you know who else does . Donald trumps sister. And i would be willing to bet one of the reasons hes bubbled up to the top here is because shes recommending him. And do you think that gives him a leg up . Well, i think its certainly a reason that hes in the top three. Look, he also has a very appealing personal story. Hes the first in his family to have gone to college, he drove a taxi, hes sort of a good blue collar, working guy. A lot of people can compare his jurisprudence to sam alito. So i think theres something on a personal level that really may appeal to donald trump there. And for sure, i mean, the fact that his sister is a fan cant hurt. We know that trump very much values the opinions of his family when it comes to some of his political paul question on William Pryor, because some people have been looking at some of his past opinions and saying, look, you attacking him because he enforced federal law and a contempt citation in particular against the alabama Supreme Court justice roy moore, is that fair . The criticism . No, its it really isnt fair at all, paul. I think whats happening with William Pryor right now is really an unfortunate thing on the right. This is something weve long criticized on the left, the tendency toward the left really favoring resultsoriented jurisprudence, picking the kinds of judges that were going to uphold certain policies, and conservatives have always valued picking their judges based on the way they interpret the constitution. And the way that pryor was behaving there was absolutely upholding federal law. He was attorney general at the time. Hes also been criticized for another case that he decided called glenn very brumby in which he basically said a transgender woman could sue for tex discrimination in the workplace sex discrimination in the workplace. He was very much upholding precedent from the Supreme Court. This is something conservatives should be very comfortable with from a certain, from a circuit judge. Paul kim, briefly, is there any chance with any of these judges that the democrats will not oppose them . No, there is no chance. [laughter] i mean, Chuck Schumer has just been straight out there saying that any person, any of these 21 on this list are going to get the ire of democrats. Now, the question is whether or not that does hold for some of those democrats in states that donald trump won who are up for reelection in two years time. Chuck schumer may not speak for them. And republicans are going to try, at least in the beginning, to get the 60 votes. But Mitch Mcconnell has also made clear if democrats obstruct, he will get a nominee one way or the other. Paul right. He could nominate st. Francis of assisi, and he would get opposed by most of the democrats. When we come back, is the investigation on voter fraud unnecessary or long overdue . To a few places. And those places keep changing every few months. The quicksilver card from capital one doesnt do any of that. With quicksilver you earn unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase, everywhere. Leave complicated behind. Whats in your wallet . Ugh. 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Is there any evidence thats really true . I do not believe that three to five million illegal voters participated in this last election. I do believe that for eight years the Obama Administration has actively played hide the ball, covered up all kind of questions about our voting systems, and we dont know the answer to how much voter fraud there is. Its certainly more than there should be because anytime you have somebody cast a fraudulent vote, it cancels out someones legitimate vote. So i say after eight years of the Obama Administration refusing to provide states9 and private citizens with the records that would tell us how big the problem is, its overdue. Paul so you think there is cause for an investigation to find out exactly how much trade there is or at least get closer to the actual number. Would you make this an official government investigation . Or could this be something thats done outside in a commission . Actually, it could be done by the states in large part. You know, the federal government is required to give the states information so they can conduct their own investigations and Law Enforcement activities. But for eight years the department of homeland security, the irs, the various other entities of the federal government have refused to give the states the lists they have, for example, legal and Illegal Immigrants to this country who may be on Voter Registration rolls. And with we know this is a potential problem. There was a private group that did just a small survey in virginia in eight counties. They found a thousand aliens on the Voter Registration rolls, and several hundred of them had voted. Paul what was the private group there, john . Christian adams Public Interest be law firm. Paul okay. There are anecdotes out there, there are examples of voter fraud, you know, 10, 15, 20 different, you know, votes here or there. In this case as much as a thousand. But is there any example that you know of in which frawj rent voting gnarly with illegal particularly with Illegal Immigrants turned an election result . In 2008 al franken, after six months of court battles, was declared the victor in the Minnesota Senate race by 314 votes. After he was seated, it was discovered there were 1200 felons who had illegally voted in that election. A survey was done by fox news in minneapolis going out ander interviewing a whole bunch of those people. 90 said they voted for franken. It turned out al franken was the 60th vote, paul, to pass obamacare. If al franken hadnt been seated, i think illegitimately we wouldnt have obamacare as we know it today. Paul okay, what about Illegal Immigrants . Have they turned any election . You wrote a piece for us not too long ago with a fellow from the Heritage Foundation which suggested that, mentioned a case in 1996, i think it was a former congressman, lost his seat by a thousand votes. They looked into it, and more than 600 of those votes turned out to be, turned out to be illegal immigrant votes. Now, he still would have lost, but it would have been closer. Right. And there were several hundred votes beyond that that were in question. We dont know the answer to that because this has been fogged up by Political Correctness problems. A lot of people say you cannot go into this issue because its racist, its discriminatory to ask questions. Look, im in favor of immigration, but i believe if youre in this country, we cannot blur the distinction between citizenship anden incitizenship. If youre a citizen, you can vote, if youre a noncitizen, you cant vote. And california, for example, has gone way beyond what it should. They have given out a million drivers licenses to people who are Illegal Immigrants, and many of those people use that to potentially vote and do other things. Paul i guess the bigger question is, donald trump, you won fair and square, you won with the electoral vote. Why have all of this focus on fraud in an election that you won . [laughter] i think donald trump is very sensitive to anything that questions his mandate, and he did lose the popular vote. Hes very sensitive. Even though i think hes going overboard, im glad were having this investigation. Itll answer a lot of questions that have been nagging us for a long time. The Obama Administration did not want them answered. Paul all right. Thank you very much, john fund. Thank you. Paul we have to take one more break. When we come back, hits and misses of the week. Mmm friend of yours . Thats frequent heartburn. Its always lurking around. But im safe. I took my prevacid®24hr today. I didnt. One pill prevents the acid that causes heartburn, all day, all night. Prevacid®24hr. Maybe animal spirits are continuing. The world isgetting less risky. Lets hope you are right thats very interesting. . Paul a big meth to saturday night live. Katie rich for her incredible offensive tweet about trump. The president some. Also the big hit tothe millions of americans from all sides of the political aisle who criticize her for it. Political kids are off limits. It was good that someone reminded, the world that they should follow it. Thank you, cam. Dan . I will get a myth to President Trump. Mr. Comey lost the competence of republicans and democrats for his handling of Hillary Clintons email servers but thats not the real reason. The real reason is that director comey and the judgment damage the credibility in the eyes of the American People. Retaining him is not going to restore the fbi. Can you really awhen you come down and make a decision, you want it to be done based on the law and the merit of the case. Can youtrust that with comey . Thats what the American People expect. If you want your own hit or miss, tweet it to us at je are. Thats it for this week show. Thank you for my panel and you forwatching. Hope to see you here next week. [music] we are awaiting brandnew executive order. We get new information from President Trumps phone call with president putin. The two talked about syria. Its Irans Nuclear program, north korea and fighting together against isis. Its mr. Trumps very first conversation with the russian leader since taking office and thats not all on a busy saturday. Affecting national security. He prepares to streamline this counsel putting together a team thats lean and mean