Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. That is going to say, no, the president doesnt have the authority to take away somebody Security Clearance . They act like there is some sort of property right to keep a Security Clearance for post government work. There is no such thing. What he is doing is irresponsible and selfish because he is identified with the Intelligence Community. I was a member of that. It makes all of us looks like a bunch of partisan hacks when he goes off in every direction spewing all this vitriol, it really reflects poorly on the Intelligence Community. People sit back and say, well, now we know what he was thinking when he was head of the cia. It doesnt reflect well. Jason i think it does undercut the credibility of an agency that prides itself on being a nonpartisan and apolitical. Newt gingrich was on Fox And Friends this morning. Lets listen to his Point Of View and dan, i would like you to react to it. How would you like to have director of Central Intelligence so lacking common sense that he
officer rather than saying this on msnbc or writing it in the press, he mightve gone straight to the Special Counsel and explained what his concerns were. But the problem is that its not just our own citizens who are listening john brennan, there are foreign governments and spies stealing secrets on our behalf who are going to believe that john brennan knows something that maybe we dont and their trust in our government is going to be degraded. Our national security, as a result, will be impacted negatively. The second point i would make quickly is that those who signed this letter might question whether they want to be tethered to john brennan, who is really the weak link in this chain here. Hes not a credible witness. I think that those who are concerned about a Security Clearance issue and maybe feel like the cia, who held the brennans clearance, should have been responsible for revoking it or not, i think their argument is damaged because again, brennan is not a credible witness. Jason roger, does dan make a point here . That is, we undercut the credibility with our foreign
adversaries and the sitting president . Does that concern you at all . It does but there are plenty of things that concern me in that same realm. The President Leaking Intelligence that we got from israeli sources to the Russian Ambassador in the oval office. Whatever happened to him in two hours in helsinki. This, i think jason why does that concern you . Why do suddenly democrats get concerned with that . The idea the president is engaging in diplomacy is something that ive always thought the democrats engaged in and supported and then donald trump does it and suddenly hes criticized for it. Ive been in these rooms. Im assuming some of the panel have as well and probably you as well, congressman. There is always notetakers, interpreters, some kind of official record, and its no accident that as soon as helsinki was over, we come home from that, and then theres the announcement that there is not going to be readouts from phone calls with foreign leaders. I agree with the instincts about being concerned about whats going on. I think the brennantrump thing has taken on its own life and in the last 48 hours that i dont think that anyone is necessarily happy with or proud of. If one has the instincts and the intent of our being concerned about national security, i wouldnt put mr. Brennan and his actions the last four or five days of the top of the list. Jason i would. I think he uses it as a tool for his own personal political gain and financial gain. That is my own personal opinion. Chris, it begs the question, why do people in perpetuity continue to get Security Clearances after they leave office . Its expensive to do, right . Is this really justified in this day and age . I dont think so. I think there are far too many people post Government Service who retain their clearances. They are expensive, got to do reinvestigations periodically, and the test is, the criteria is, is it in the best interest of the government for them to keep their clearances . I would say, the number of
people that retain those clearances, the answer is no. Its a commercial gain for them, not so much benefit to the government. Jason the cost is exorbitant. My understanding is, i think it was on 15,000 to reup and do this and you really ought to go back to what senator Patrick Moynihan from new york said some 27 years ago, he spearheaded a commission that said, when everybody has a Security Clearance, nobody has a Security Clearances. When everything is classified, nothing is classified. But i would like to see, it the government in a bipartisan way, have trump, the speaker, majority leader, appoint a Bipartisan Panel to review this whole thing, top to bottom, and come up with a real solution. We got to take the politics out of it and figure this out. Dan, i got to ask you, weve had some terrific things that brennan has done in taking away Security Clearances. What do you say to those Men And Women that were, say, in benghazi or other places, and
they see this brennan out there spewing what hes spewing today . Ill be honest with you, i dont think it impacts our Intelligence Community at all. We, historically, and i think it carries on today, we are just we just dont Pay Attention to those things. John brennan can say what he wishes. There is no impact on the Men And Women of the cia who were going about their job, focused on the mission, focused on recruiting, and stealing secrets, even though john brennan didnt like to say we steal secrets, thats what we do, and write all Source Analysis for the president to make an educated Foreign Policy decision. I think john brennan is bringing dishonor on himself but i really dont think hes impacting Intelligence Community. Jason good. I hope hes 100 right and the Men And Women who are serving in our intelligence services, cant thank them enough for the great work. And i hope these little side shows that the former director
had put in place are dismissed for the shenanigans that they are. Gentlemen, i thank you for joining us tonight. The Media Overhyped yet another leak in the Mueller Probe. Well have the real story up next. And non24 can make me show up too early. Or too late. Or make me feel like im not really there. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442342424. The New York Times put out a piece over the weekend that said White House Counsel Don Mcgahn spoke to Special CounselRobert Muellers team for about 30 hours, revealing new details about the president s attitude toward the russia probe. That prompted some to speculate that mcgahn had turned on donald trump. But the Washington Post is out with a new report stating that mcgahn does not think he put trump in any legal jeopardy citing what mcgahns attorney has revealed to President Trumps lawyers. Earlier tonight, trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani made this key point. Heres the most important thing, i knew not to worry about it because of the president had said anything criminal to the council of the white house, mcgahn wouldnt be there now. Mcgahn as a matter of legal ethics and possibly even law, would have to quit. Jason good point. Joining me now with reaction from washington, d. C. , are james, whitecollar litigation attorney, and democrat attorney scott bolden. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being here tonight. Good evening. Jason the internal debate, the discussion is, did they Do The Right Thing . Did they cooperate, did they not cooperate . That they open it up, fight back . President s in recent history have fought to keep Executive Privilege, they have fought for that. But donald trump is going to waive that, gave them a million plus documents, mcgahn, others that have been there for interviews. So the question is, is the president doing the right thing or not doing the right thing . Scott, what say you . It depends on what legal team he had at the time. The very beginning, remember john dowd was trying to cooperate and make the investigation go away. We have all been there, we know that strategy is very important, they walked away hes walked away from his lawyers, hes got a new team and, they are fighting because they think the Mueller Investigation is tainted with prejudice. The reality is, though, Executive Privilege is super important. It frees the general counsel im sorry, the white house counsel, it protects the president and to waive it based
on cooperation is very dangerous. Its good that the lawyers are talking but the reality is, 30 hours is a really, really long time and i will be honest with you, under oath, telling the truth, mcgahn is a pretty ethical guy, hes fought with trump before, thats a lot of time. Jason it is telling, though, that the president is waiving all the privileges, and not putting up the Legal Defense that he could have done. Doesnt he score some points in terms of openness and transparency. Its completely inconsistent, isnt he . Jason sorry, let james jump in. Thanks, jason. I dont think it is that inconsistent or at least its an inconsistency he can live with. He can still attack the Mueller Probe and say they are doing things wrong, saying that they are comprised of partisans, whatever you want to say, but also be able to say at some point, hey, i, as president , was transparent. I allowed my attorney to speak unfettered to them for 30 hours. I turned over millions of documents. It is unnerving for us lawyers to think of waiving an available privilege but i think it might deserve the message pretty well for the president overall, which is, even though he doesnt like this probe, hes willing to be cooperative and give them what they want. Jason james, is giuliani right . If mcgahn had evidence of a crime or something going on in the white house, he wouldnt be here, right . I think is a pretty good assumption. I think thats probably right. I hesitate only because rudy might change his comments any minute. But overall, i think youve got this one right. Jason scott, do you think giuliani made the right assessment and his comments that he made tonight . I dont think he knows what hes talking about in the sense that he doesnt know what mcgahn said for those 30 hours, neither does trump. They know what his lawyers said. But the fact that he even took a lawyer in shows that he was concerned about not only maintaining his integrity but also the fact that he did have a concern about donald trump setting him up as the fall guy,
a la dean in the nixon investigation. But the reality is, we really just dont know. But we will find out, and i got to tell you, i think mcgahn is more important than cohen in regards to what he knew about the white house, the president , comey, and the issues of obstruction or conspiracy going on at the white house and during the campaign. Jason james, wasnt it director comey who says he wasnt really going to chase after false statements . Look, i was very involved in the Hillary Clinton email investigation. There were a lot a lot of false statements that were made, but the fbi never pursued that. Is this a Double Standard yet again . It certainly is unsettling, a little weird to see that. Inspector general report specifically talked about a witness in the Hillary Clinton probe lying repeatedly, lying to the point where the agents were, commenting to themselves, wow, we could do a 1001 false statement prosecution against this guy. Nd but meanwhile, comey swore a document that we are not going to trouble ourselves with these false statement cases in the hillary email probe. But in trump, they have been handing them out like candy. Obviously, michael flynn, the
notion of a perjury trap, the notion of a false statement prosecution is alive and well in this case, although it didnt seem to be in the other ones. Jason scott, that is a problem. Hillary clinton was under oath when she testified before the benghazi committee. Jim jordan, asked her some very direct questions and im telling you, she absolutely, totally lied. I signed a letter as the chairman of the Oversight Committee asking the fbi, along with bob goodlatte, chairman of the judiciary committee, to investigate that and the fbi and the Department Of Justice never even bothed to respond. Every doj is their own individual agency. Why . Why . You know what, you hit on just the right point. That is what is wrong with justice in this country right now. Justice no, it needs to have a blindfold. If its a clinton, they let them go. Tell the republicans to fix it because they wont even produce documents
jason what do you mean . Donald trump has produced more than a million documents instead of holding off and saying, i can pull Executive Privilege. When Fast And Furious happened and we had dead americans, guess what . They gave 2,000 weapons out there. What did eric holder and the Department Of Justice producing any documents or very little in regard to the house and senate investigation. I got to find something to agree with you on would you rather have comey, who wouldnt prosecute false statements and lie to the fbi . Because that is what you are facing. Now youve got mueller, and mueller is doing his job. You cant have it both ways. Republicans cant. By the way, this is a republican investigation. Isnt it . Jason yes, but scott, you hit on it, got to wrap up, and got to let you gentlemen go. You hit on it. Each Department Of Justice is its own agency based on that is was fundamentally wrong. Justice should be blindfolded they have discretion, though. Jason that discretion has
been tainted with politics. Gentlemen, i have to go. I really do appreciate it. President trump is hitting back at the abolish i. C. E. Movement and hitting back hard. A full report next. Ent and hitt with uncontrolled moderatetosevere eczema, or atopic dermatitis, you never know how your skin will look. And it can feel like No Matter What you do, youre itching all the time. But even though you see and feel your eczema on the surface of your skin, an overly sensitive Immune System deep within your skin might actually be causing your eczema. So help heal your skin from within. With dupixent. Dupixent is not a steroid, and it continuously treats your eczema even when you cant see it. At 16 weeks, more than 1 in 3 patients saw clear or almost clear skin, and patients saw a significant reduction in itch. Do not use if you are allergic to dupixent. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems, including eye pain or changes in vision. If you have asthma,
and are taking Asthma Medicines do not change or stop your Asthma Medicine without talking to your doctor. Help heal your skin from within. Ask your Eczema Specialist about dupixent. From horrible people and horrible, horrible events and crimes. Jason joining me now for debate is National BorderPatrol Council president brandon judd and democratic strategist jose aristimundo. Jose, i appreciate you and brandon being with us. I got to ask you, to the president Do The Right Thing today honoring those federal employees, the i. C. E. And Border Patrol agents . Jason, there are currently over 500 children who are separated from their parents because of the policies of this administration let me finish jason no, jose, i want you to answer the question that i asked, not what you want to go off and talk about. The question is, its a simple one. The president i got a simple answer but you gotta let me answer the question. If you interrupt me, i cant speak. Let me finish. I will interrupt you. Did the president Do The Right Thing . He did not do the right
thing, jason. Jason by honoring i. C. E. And Border Patrol agents . Absolutely he did not Do The Right Thing. We should be looking for things to reunite these children. We know that i. C. E. Agents right now are not using its resources the way its supposed to by enacting this senseless and antiimmigrant zerotolerance policy. Jason wait, wait, wait. Timeout. Jose, this is an important point. Dont say that we are antiimmigrant. We are antiillegal immigrant. Dont leave the word illegal out of the statement. Undocumented, jason. Its undocumented. Jason its against the law. Is it legal or illegal to be here undocumented . They are undocumented. Im going to make it real simple jason jose, simple question, is it legal or illegal . Let me say it again. They are undocumented. Jason it legal or illegal . Not a serious crime. We got to make a choice. Look, can i let me flip the question jason no, no, no. Jose, you are not here to flip my question, im here to ask you
questions but now i will let brandon give his perspective because theres another side to the story, and i want to get the Border Patrols perspective on this. Did the president Do The Right Thing by honoring i. C. E. And Border Patrol agents . He absolutely did. I knew brian terry personally. It hit me when he died. I knew nick ivys brother. I worked side by side with nick ivys brother, when he died. When the president has honoring those heroes that put their lives on the line to protect our citizens, of course thats the right thing to do. Jason, you are the only sitting congressman that i know of that actually patrolled the border. You seized dope. You know, you know personally how difficult that job is. How difficult is it . Jason i have been there multiple times to the border and i did, i went out, we chased and caught this dope and it was bad. It was really bad. They would have ended up on the
streets and hurt our kids. I want to get your take on another story that certainly appears to make i. C. E. Out as real villains. Heres the New York Times headline. I. C. E. The team detained man who was driving his pregnant wife to a hospital in the sacramento bee. They were on their way to a hospital to have a baby when i. C. E. Took dad away. Sounds pretty disturbing, until we heard from i. C. E. Who revealed this from a suspect. This is far from an innocent victim. This person was wanted by foreign authorities for murder. This was a referral we got from interpol for a wanted person. We did surveillance to find out where they lived in that when that individual left their home, we made a vehicle stop. None of the i. C. E. Officials did anything wrong. It just happened they were on their way to the hospital from that location. Jason we are hearing from a source of the request from the Mexican Government for i. C. E. s help first came nearly a month ago. Jose, i will let you take the first shot at this. Did i. C. E. Do the right thing in that case . If you are undocumented person and you committed some
serious crimes, you should be deported. Democrats have said that from the beginning. Its a little strange to me, jason, there was a Press Release that came out by i. C. E. Saying that they will deport anybody, No Matter What, and the next day, all of a sudden they awe just found out that the guy that we arrested has a warrant out to get him in mexico. Do i believe the whole story coming out by the agency . Not totally. But i will say it again. If you are undocumented person who is committed crimes, rapes, murders, you should be deported. Weve been clear from the beginning. Jason do you believe i. C. E. Should be abolished . If kristin gillibrand, senator warren, some real stalwarts in the Democratic Party who are asserting this is the proper thing to do. Do you advocate getting rid of i. C. E. . Whether you call It Abolishment or calling at rebranding, i dont really care. Jason rebranding . I think i. C. E. Should be doing Better Things with their time, they should be going after transnational crime organizations, going against
money laundering cases, they should not be going after little children, trying to separate them from their parents. Jason jose, thanks. Thats why we need a wall, brandon. Make sure they dont get here in the first place. Can figure out who the bad guys are and go to guys are and a lot of bad guys coming in. Brandon, your quick perspective and then i got to wrap it up. First off, when people cross the border illegally, i dont know what crimes they have committed in their country. I can only find out the crimes theyve committed in the United States and that should scare anybody because we dont know whos coming over. If they are doing it legally, we are going to know who they are and we have the right to know who they are. Jason this country legally and lawfully brings in more than 1 Million People and there are people thats who i think we have the majority of those people are good people. Jason i have a higher moral obligation to the people who arent willing to break the law, who are getting into line, that is who we should be prioritizing. Jose, i appreciate you coming out because i know you believe wholeheartedly in your position and i appreciate you sharing
with us. Brandon, cannot thank the good Men And Women of the Border Patrol and i. C. E. Agents as well. Thank you, gentlemen, for being there. Chicago appears to be at a Breaking Point with a new wave of violence again rocking the windy city over the weekend. Wait until you hear how City Officials are responding. Stay tuned. How City Officials are responding. When my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, inlaws were coming, a little bit of water, it really it rocked our world. I had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. We called usaa. And they greeted me as they always do. Sergeant baker, how are you . They were on it. It was unbelievable. Having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa now thats a privilege. Were the bakers and were usaa members for life. Usaa. Get your insurance quote today. It was yet another horrifying weekend that was just a weekend of carnage in chicago. Its a Public Safety emergency. But whatever hearing from the authorities in the wake of the new wave of violence . More empty rhetoric. Lets not forget, the police arent the ones out there doing it. We can only do so much. Now can we do better . Of course we can. But its just not about that. Crime is a very complex issue. You look at resources, educational opportunities, health care, Mental Health treatment, all of those things play a part in it. Jason joining me now to discuss this true american tragedy are fox news political analyst Gianno Caldwell and criminal defense attorney anthony paul. Now anthony is joining me here in studio. I want to be direct and what im asking you. Democrats have been in charge of chicago for a long time. I cant remember republicans enacting their policies in there. So youve got rahm emanuel, you have president obama, the situation is getting bad and worse, what are we supposed to do . I think its going to take a couple of things. I think one thing that we need to focus on is that this is a gang war, as someone who has represented gangs in los angeles, whether all gangs, latino, africanamerican, white, asian, got to remember that these gang members are looking for some type of support. And financially, democrats you are correct. Democrats have generally been getting a lot of money poured into cities for problems and it obviously hasnt been invested well. There are some things that can be done if they are investing into the right areas. Jason you are not suggesting that you need more money. That is usually with the democrats say. We need more money. I think we need role models and i think we need role models, education, and jobs. As simple as that may sound, i think that will solve the problem. Jason we have one of the lowest Unemployment Rates in the history of our nation. Black Unemployment Rate is at its alltime record low. Lets look at the black Unemployment Rate for those gang members, teens in the innercity, pretty sure its not as low. I can respect and understand the fact that the an employment rate for africanamericans is lower but not for these guys. These guys need something. I can tell you from my experience personally, they are looking for that opportunity for a role model, someone to jason i believe in mentors and giving them a good job. Gianno, both of you gentlemen have ties to chicago. What do you think we need to do in chicago . I was born and raised in chicago, specifically on the south side, and for me, this isnt just a discussion as we are talking about now, we are in a literal state of emergency. The city of haug chicago is under siege. Ive been shouting it from the rooftops on this platform, fox news channel, blessed to have the opportunity to invite, not just invite President Trump to chicago, but we have to work on solutions. Those Solutions Come with a number of things. I can agree with mr. Paul in terms of jobs. That is absolutely necessary. There is a great pastor, dr. Bill winston in chicago, he has a Great Program where he is guiding folks. About 360 jobs, connecting them to manufacturers, these are people with backgrounds and records. So i can understand that is one element of it. But this Law Enforcement issue is very big. Lets think about the numbers here. We saw that about seven people were killed, the new updated number is seven People Killed from this past friday to today. We have over 600 new Police Officers that had the streets of chicago and the numbers are still as chaotic as they were in the beginning of the month just imagine if we invited the National Guard into chicago. It wouldnt be 600 people there from the National Guard. That tells me that we have absolutely no choice. We have to put politics aside and President Trump must come in. Laura ingraham has been talking about this for a long time. We have to do a lot more for chicago. This isnt a casual discussion for anyone. Theres lives on the line, my brother almost lost his life last year due to the violence in chicago. A 3yearold was shot this weekend. A three year old. Jason we are talking about a city here. These numbers are astronomical and i see failing policies. If you want different results, you have to do Different Things and probably instill different people. I dont know how you can reelect a guy like rahm emanuel. Rahm emanuel must go. Hes been nothing but a failure. I think everyone can agree with that. Im sure mr. Paul, even as a democrat, can agree that rahm emanuel is a failure that must leave. No question about it. Jason What Gianno Is Advocating is to not only bring donald trump in for a visit and a rally or what not not a visit. We need solutions. We got to bring something to bear. Absolutely. Jason the question is, would you support bringing in donald trump and would you support, for instance, calling out the National Guard or taking
something, a more drastic step . If its truly a gang war, as you say, your rookie cop on the beat isnt necessarily going to be able to take down the ms13 the donald trump is been talking about for a long time. Heres what i said to Laura Ingraham last week and i was late again. Ill say it again. Im all for more police. Even perhaps the National GuardNational Guard. Jason we just had an argument and discussion with a guy who wants to abolish i. C. E. what i am saying, when people are dying at the rate they are in chicago jason that is part of the problem. Its not all of it but its part of the problem. One of the things im concerned with, im concerned with an environment where you have a minority percent of people committing a high rate of crime and affecting everyone, a large police force coming in and National Guard coming in, and blanketly Fourth Amendment rights sometimes can be excused. And a guy walking the street
gets ticketed, gets locked in jail and he comes back out and hes in a gang and the crime gets worse. I want it to be more strategic, i understand mr. Giovannis point but i but this needs to be its gianno. Strategy is important and i can agree with you on that, we have to have a strategy, its not a Law Enforcement argument, i just mentioned were dr. Bill winston has been doing, hes a Church Pastor in chicago. What hes been doing. These are all great elements but we have to have a very comprehensive plan and for me, it is not simply inviting President Trump to come to chicago but when you say that, what you want President Trump to do . You know that theres laws jason gentlemen, this is a discussion that is so worthy. I mean, this is a place in crisis, the drug war that is going on, the gang war that is going on. Anthony makes some good, valid points. I think is actually a reasonable mind on this and is willing to invite the president to come in, if only the mayor and the city
leaders would also take a humble pie a little bit. The state representative, a democrat, has invited him in, hes been on this show. We need some bipartisan solutions. Jason gentlemen, thank you again for the discussion. Why is Paul Manaforts defense team very happy after a third day of Jury Deliberation . The new details right after this. Hird day of Jury Deliberation . The ne
in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40s. Jason Baba Mueller Jason bob mueller might be getting a bit nervous. Jurors and Paul Manafort tax and being fried trial finished their third day of deliberation without reaching a verdict. For more, lets bring in fox news chief national correspondent, ed henry. Hes sitting right next to me. Good to see you, jason. When Paul Manafort entered the courtroom late today, shook his lawyers hand with a smile. Perhaps they signed the former Trump Campaign chair, as you suggest, believing the longer this goes, the more likely there is an acquittal, which would be a major blow for Special Counsel mueller, since this is really his first test in court in these charges already have nothing to do with russia collusion. Despite the optimism in the Manafort Camp, there are no guarantees for him tonight as he awaits his weight on these charges that could bring up to 305 years in federal prison. There are some legal analysts who are noting that manafort should not get carried away,
because in a case of 18 counts of tax and bank fraud it may be perfectly normal for the jury to carefully way all these complex pieces of evidence. Today, sandwiches were brought in for the jury, showing they were digging in for that third full day of deliberations without a verdict. Manaforts legal team is of course watching all this very closely. A jury of six men, six women, any sign at all what might they do today they felt good, though, Manafort Camp about deliberations going into the fourth day tomorrow. The jury announced they will continue to deliberate starting tomorrow morning. At where the at 9 30. Mr. Manafort is very happy to hear that. He thinks it was a very good day. A source close to the manafort legal team noted that the nearly 400 exhibits in this case were not sequentially numbered by Special Counsel muellers team. That can slow down the jurors work more. I can tell you, our team inside the courthouse says that most of the jurors today seemed flat and
drained. This has been a grueling trial. Jason its a grueling trial and that they have the threats coming after them but they have to have extra security and precautions. The judge has dealt with that. There was a News Organization that wanted the name of the jurors. And that is why the judge said no way. Jason thanks. Lets bring on two legal to discuss the manafort trial. Former doj official Robert Driscoll and former prosecutor john malcolm. John, i want to start with you. This has been going on what are we to make based on the fact its going into yet another day of Jury Deliberation . I wouldnt be turning cartwheels quite yet if i were the manafort team. However, it is true that the fact that the jury asked for a redefinition of what it means to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. And the longer things go on, the more likely that somebody is holding up the jury and i dont think there would be an
acquittal but you might get a mistrial. I wouldnt quite get there yet. They have been indicated yet that they are having trouble reaching a verdict. Maybe after tomorrow it might be a little bit more likely that we are headed toward a mistrial. But this is a long try with a lot of documents and 27 witnesses. The fact that they are deliberating for a third day doesnt totally shock me but it certainly true, the longer it goes on, the more likely it seems they might mistry a case. Jason robert, what is your read on this . Is it common to not not number sequentially all the documents and evidence . Is that abnormal . No, thats not abnormal because you number a lot of the things pretrial and you end up not using exhibits or you end up putting them in a different order depending on when the witnesses go. I think i would happy if i were the defense, only for the following reasons, the jury has gotten past the fact that they do not have the defendant testified, and did not put any defense case at all. I think your fear as always as the Defense Counsel that they are going to read into, oh, my guy didnt testify, we think
hes guilty. The jury didnt reach that conclusion outofthebox. The risk is, if you are the defense team, you have to run the table and all 18 of these counts unless manafort is looking at decent jail time. If they hang on two counts on convict on 16, that doesnt really do you much good. You need to kind of run the table, which is still a high bar. Jason there are many out there that feel like this is a bit of a witch hunt. This has absolutely nothing to do with donald trump it has absolutely nothing to do with russia and the election. I mean, is this a bit of a witch hunt . Are we extending too far . Are we giving a tool to prosecutors . 305 years i want you to listen to senator rand paul had to say about this earlier today. I think weve gone crazy on Criminalizing Everything Under The Sun and what happens is, it adds up to, like, people will never have physically hurt somebody and yet you add up all these things, if you are guilty,
you would get six life terms. I think weve gone too far and we need to reassess what we do. Jason i mean, john, this is a case where they look to this previously, decide not to prosecute, prosecute, all of a sudden, you are associated with donald trump, and they are prosecuted to the maximum. Does that fit the definition of a witch hunt . I dont know if its a witch hunt. I think its very fair to say that the prosecutors wouldnt have focused on Paul Manafort to this extent if he had not been involved in the Trump Campaign. I dont think there is any question that they are trying to squeeze him to get him to cooperate with their ongoing investigation. By the way, even if he runs the table in this case, he still has two more trials in front of him, one of them in less than a month. Youre talking fairly serious charges but they are unrelated to anything he was doing as a Campaign Manager for the three months. Jason i believe we are talking about three months of association with donald trump, it strikes me the association with the irs, because of your
political thinking, we will use the power of government to go after you. I have ten seconds. Certainly, its a fair argument to make in the political realm for sure that this case would not have been brought if he wasnt the Trump Campaign manager because of how long ago the stuff was. I think narrowly, there are serious charges that in some cases can be proven but whether or not they will be brought is a question. Jason gentlemen, i appreciate it. We look forward to seeing what the conclusion is. 12 Men And Women get to make the decision and hopefully soon. A Shocking Development in the Me Too Movement that has hollywood stunned tonight. Details in a moment. Sleep disturbances keep 1 in 3 adults up at night. Only remfresh uses ionpowered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. Number 1 sleep doctor recommended remfresh your nightly sleep companion. Available in the Natural Sleep section at walmart. Enterprise car sales and youll take any tradein . Rom thats right great here you go. Well, it does need to be a vehicle. But i need this out of my house. vo with fair, Transparent Value for every tradein. Enterprise makes it easy. Jason the Me Too Movement is being rocked tonight. According to the New York Times, one of its leaders, actress and filmmaker asia argento made her own deal with a young actor who accused her of sexual assault. The times report that argento reached a 385,000 settlement with the underaged actor who accused her of sexually assaulting him back in 2013 when he was just 17 years old. Argento was 37 at the time. Argento was one of the first people to accuse disgrace producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault. Joining me now, Catalina Magazine publisher cathy areu and christen tate, a conservative columnist and the
author of the book how do i tax thee . I appreciate you being here. This is an important subject, touchy subject, and it is something that needs full disclosure under discussion. I want to go to cathy, sitting with me in the studio. What is your read on this . I mean, you have a victim here but now this movement gets set back and it appears to be so political. I dont think its set back at all. Its a movement. It shows that it really, really is a movement. Its a movement that causes these tough conversation. Women are not just the only ones that are abused, are sexually abused, men are sexually abused as well. Jason i dont see the womens groups coming out i mean, i see such a selective number of people in certain instances coming out when its politically, you know, convenient for them and their movement but i dont see them doing it across the board. Sadly, shes a survivor but shes also one of the pigs that she talked about her. She said more pigs will be revealed through this movement. She actually is one of those pigs that was revealed through
movement. It doesnt mean it didnt happen to her. She did it to someone else. What is your take on all this . Harvey weinstein may be this, of the earth and it appears that he is but what is your take and read on this situation . This certainly does not let Harvey Weinstein off the hook, lets just get that out of the way. But this woman, asia argento, is nothing more than another hollywood hypocrite. She jumped on the me too bandwagon and she made herself a face of the movement and was simultaneously paying off a minor who she allegedly sexually assaulted. This is a reminder of a major flaw in the Me Too Movement. Me too has the same problem at all left wing movements have, which is that it develops the sort of mob like mentality that tries to typecast every single victim into a box that leftwing feminists think is appropriate. In real life, victims, and all ages, all sizes, all political affiliations, all gender, but these leftwingers dont want to
acknowledge that. Where were the feminists when conservative victims, like Juanita Broaddrick and paula jones, came forward . There were nowhere to be found because unfortunately a lot of these feminist movements are more about peddling leftwing politics than about really furthering womens rights. This woman really does a disservice to the movement. Jason cathy, can you see where conservatives see the Double Standard it only seems, when if its a political narrative, i think she makes a really good point and as a conservative, it seems like it is still onesided. I think its a movement, to movement, its evolving. Jason is a Political Movement . I dont think a leader state as a Political Movement. Theyve come out and said, a victim victim is a victim. Jason some of the leaders are a little bit discredited. She was very vocal but not the founder. She was a victim. We cant take that away from her. So she was an abuser as well. Jason you agree with the other parts, men, women, it doesnt matter . What happens mostly to women but it does happen to men. It would be wonderful for the movement to have more men come out so that this Movement Continues to evolve, and more people will come out on the victim here has not come out. Her victim has not come out. Men will speak up may be. Jason here is a guy that is under age allegedly involved and engage, and evidently hadnt said a word. Im not using his name, yall havent been using his name, he was a minor at the time. I worry that its morphing into this political thing. I think it is obviously a political thing. I will say, the Me Too Movement has done a lot of good. Its exposed a lot of really horrible men. Thats wonderful. But this is an opportunity for us to really examine this movement and think about how we can best serve victims. Jason thank you. The best thing we can do for victims is reject the mob
mentality. Jason i hope we give this topic more attention. I thank you both. Finally, tonight, i want to take a moment to honor the life of my fellow utahan matthew burchett. The 42yearold draper fire Battalion Chief went to california to help fight the Mendocino Complex Fire that has been devastating the state. He was tragically killed in the line of action by a fallen tree. His heroism and life was celebrated back in utah today when thousands of family members, friends, colleagues, and citizens assembled to give him their final farewell. He leaves behind his wife and 7yearold son. A Donation Site to his family has been set up by the Utah Firefighters Emerald Society at utahfes. Org. We encourage you to check it out, that is all the time we have left tonight. Im Jason Chaffetz in for laura and its an honor to be able to host this program. Ill be back here tomorrow night, as laura continues her vacation