Meet with north Korean Leader kim jongun at the Demilitarized Zone that divides north and south korea. Im jon scott from new york. President trump extended the invitation via twitter. We have learned the north Korean Leader has accepted. There is a lot that can come out of this historic meeting at the dmz. What might it mean for future u. S. North korea relations. Reporter hes downplaying expectations of what might happen this afternoon. He says its just a step. In describing it could be a very important step. You have got to go back to what your previous guest was talking about, the hanoi summit where there was heady expectation that kim jongun was going to put on the table to sort of deal that might get him relief from sanctions. It might indicate a tangible step. He was going to shirt and dismantle then nuclear facility. This is something south korea was pushing for a long time of and president moon discussed in that press conference. It may lead to the lifting of some sanctions. So kim came to the hanoi summit and put that on the table thinking he was going to get relief from sanctions. But in the runup to that we learned that Something Like that was not going to be enough. President trump was going to ask for more and indeed he did. He said jong bong is just a part of it. He said we need the biological and miss isle program as well. Kim said i am not going to do that. So trump got and walked away. He had come to hanoi with what he thought was a deal. And he walked away empty hand. So this is a bit of mirnding fences to try to get the dialogue happening again. Your former cia guest was saying what you have got to get happening is dialogue between the working groups. That would clue the u. S. Side and others as well. We just got a note marine one is wheels up to the dmz. Its about 30 miles northwest to get to the joint security area. The dmz is 160 miles long across the bordered between north and south korea. But in that area the joint security is narrows down. There are long blue buildings where north and south korean officials would get together. And they built what they call the peace house where moon jaein met with kim jongun. You have got to the get the working groups back together again to talk about the steps that can be taken toward denuclearization. If that doesnt happen, then this meeting was nothing more than a photoop. But if President Trump and moon jaein can say lets get people talking again. Lets put aside the ill feeling of what happened in hanoi. You know the american position. You know what you have to do. Here is whats going on in south korea, the economic miracle that happened here. We want to leave you in power in pong yong. Just get rid of your weapons. Maybe if they can get that message through and say you are going to be safe as far as we are concerned. There could be factions in north korea. But as far as the International Community goes, if they can get that message through to kim jongun maybe it be be more than a photoop. You will have an interesting journal entry. My next guest says kim jongun is being restrained by the internal politics in north korea. How much latitude does kim jongun have to swing some kind of a deal with President Trump . Nobody knows. We have seen the story how he had his lieutenants executed by piranhas. When a dictator is executing lieutenants, you make a lot of enemies. Jon the south would have much like to be reunited with the north, it would not . Thats their stated policy. But think about what happened with east germany and west germany. That was an enormously expensive and economically difficult period for west journal any. It would be largely so for south korea. Everybody wants to Pay Lip Service to Korean Unification because its a high risk strategy. China will not tolerate a western ally on the yalu river. Everybody is invest in seeing kim jongun succeed in transforming the north korean economy and making a semi peaceful state in the family of nations. Jon china would see u. S. Troops based in the country to its south because there are troops in south korea. The best Case Scenario is a reunified korea. Lets not underestimate the economic magnitude that a reunification of core h of a Korean Peninsula would mean. For china, it one sift it be neutral. But what is realistic in the near term is north korea is semi prosperous. The member of the family of nations, not an outlaw state. But there are no western troops on the yalu river. Jon what did you think of the president s remark that had president obama continued in office or Hillary Clinton had wouldnt election that there would be war with north korea right now. Does that seem to you a plausible scenario . Its hard to know. Between 1995 and 2008, the United States had given north korea 1. 3 billion in aid. At the same time that accelerated their Nuclear Weapons program and missile programs. So that hasnt worked. In this case President Trump has done something different. The north Korean Ministry hasnt figured out how to calibrate their Foreign Policy. At the same time we are willing to talk to you. This is in stark contrast to what the policy of four previous administrations are where we wont talk to you but well give you money. The north korean hierarchy is trying to figure this out in having a new 30somethingyearold leader. Jon there are further Enforcement Actions the United States can take to make life for the kim regime and North Koreans more difficult. Absolutely. Sanctions are more than economic pressure. They are that to be sure. But they are also a means of communication. To communicate to the kim regime where the read lines are, what they can and cannot do. Its a form of language, too. Jon the criticism of the president , President Trump, that this will amount to nothing more than a photoop. Is there something that can be accomplished here . I slayer i agree with the fact that it may be nothing more than a photoop. But significant is something different. There is politics inside of north korea and pyongyang, too. Kim jongun is a young leader and its not clear how secure his control over the north Korean Military is. If you want to deal with somebody, sometimes you have got to give them a little bit of room, got to give them a win at home. The politics arent just in the west, they are in the north, too. Jon they they see their Leader Meeting with the most of powerful man in the world, that acrews to his benefit. Possibly. Its the north korean elite whose incomes and lavish lifestyles deperson on kim jonguns ability to deliver. Thats the base of his power. Jon if you were advising President Trump wrote what advice would you give him . Build that personal relationship. Build that trust. During Obama Administration we had to talk qaddafi out of his Nuclear Program in libya. Qaddafi was killed and dragged through the streets. The North Koreans are very, very aware of this. They are afraid of it, too. We need to make sure they understand we are going to give them space. The carrot and stick approach. They will be given space to survive and thrive. That didnt have during the Obama Administration with qaddafi. Jon President Trump is in the air right now on board marine one. We believe moon jaein is with him. They are headed to an historic meeting along the Demilitarized Zone that separates the two koreas. We believe there will be time spent and a hand shake with north Korean Leader kim jongun. That should be coming up soon. Fact is, every Insurance Company hopes you drive safely. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. 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From a National Security perspective, how important is it that President Trump once again meets with kim jongun no matter how short this meeting is . I would take issue that this is simply a photoop. I think this is far more than that. The president is delivering a clear message to kim jongun and that fragile reliance. The message is clear and simple. There is a binary choice. North korea can chook economic progress or face economic pressure and sanctions. By going to the demarcation zone the president is making it clear hes ready and the door is open for negotiations. Jon gordon chang says kim jongun doesnt care that his people are suffering. I think it le son of the soviet union is important. When the soviet union opened up, they ultimately collapsed. Im sure kim jongun is very aware of the risk in his own country. But at the same time i think kim jongun has to be aware its untenable to carry on as he has. He has not as strong a regime as many might think or many would love to project. He need relief from the sanctions. Jon there are other sanctions that could be imposed or sanctions that could be enforced. The United States could put the screws to kim jongun more than it is. Kim jongun is testing us. Hes trying to get maximum economic gain while giving up the least possible. I dont think kim jongun fears an invasion from the United States. Before north korea had Nuclear Weapons we had no interest in launching such an attack. And the deterrent is so strong i dont think it would happen. But i think what cub is nervous about potentially is some traitors in his own midst, the fifth column could launch an uprising against him. Without weapons of mass destruction he would be unable to deter the United States and our allies and maybe even china from become involved and supporting his rivals. The president is trying to infuse some energy into those negotiations which some of the previous guests emphasized is what we need. Jon President Trump by meeting withrun is saying to any who might threaten him. This is my guy, i like him, we have a relationship. Leave him alone . I think the president is definitely making the point that hes there to do a deal with kim jongun. And there are a lot of factors at play and its extraordinarily difficult that has been made worse through years of Foreign Policy errors on our part. Six party talks that went nowhere. China and do not have our best interests at heart. They would like for the United States and our are military to be removed from the Korean Peninsula and reduce our influence significantly. So the president is up against a lot here. But i dont know if you can argue with his approach. Its not like we have achieved our goals with other diplomatic approaches in the past. Jon President Trump has saluted president xi of china for his help in the past in dealing with north korea. But you are suggesting north korea does not have the u. S. Interests at heart when it comes to north korea. You have to wonder how vigorous those efforts on the part of president xi have been. I think its a balancing game for everyone. I think china is nervous if tensions rise between the United States and north korea, that would be the impetus for the United States to be more involved in the Korean Peninsula. That would be the impetus for to us up our military deployment in the region and become more aggressive and china doesnt want that. I think chinas ultimate goal is to prey on north korea. They are unable to do that as much as they might like because of these sanctions. China and russia are positions themselves in the dee event a deal gets in the event a deal gets done. Jon dan hoffman. Thank you. Seoul, south korea is not have far from the dmz. Thats one of the dangers. 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Jon any minute now marine one will be landing year the Demilitarized Zone that separates north and south korea. On board is moon jaein. We believe they will make their way to the dmz by car. About 15 minutes from now they should be there at that historic dividing line between north and south korea and there we expect there will be a handshake with north koreas kim jongun. Joining us now, judith miller, aned a junk professor at the Manhattan Center for policy and research. This has taken place in a whirlwind. President trump sent out an invitation by tweet yesterday. President trump is going to take him up on that invitation to meet at the dmz. I think this is an important step. A symbolic one, but still important. If you believe jaw jaw is better than war war, we have not had any serious working level meetings with the North Koreans since the breakdown of the hanoi summit. This is an opportunity to get those meetings back on track. It could be much more than a photoop. It could be much less than a break through. But in any he vints an historic handshake. Jon season is say the president is stretching out his hand to a guy who hasnt lived up to expectations thus far. Has Vladimir Putin lived up to expectations so far . Yet we continue to meet and continue to do business and continue to argue about the things we disagree with. Kim is the head of north korea. If north korea is ever going to denuclearize, it will be up to him and the National Security establishment, the party that supports him. Hes just as untested a leader as donald trump was when he took over. So you have two unpredictable unusual, unorthodoxed men leading countries. What we do know is the two previous efforts to denuclearize with two Great Nuclear agreements completely fell apart. The North Koreans cheated. No one has any illusions about who we are dealing with. How authoritarian the regime is. How brutal it is. But the goal is to denuclearize north korea. If President Trump can make headway on that he wont do any worse than any other president has done. Its a evening as all of your commentators have said. Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because this could be progress if we can get nose working level talks back in action. And frankly as someone who stood on the dmz and been at the table that separates north and south korea and sees guns pointing at iesm other. Pointing at each other. And to see a handshake would be significant in my view. If only for a moment, if only symbolic. It could lead to something more and im still hopeful it will happen though im sceptical north korea will denuclearize. Lets talk about south koreas president moon jaein. Hes the one who sort of gets ignored in all of this coverage. He leads a nation that is an economic powerhouse. Its the barling of south asia. What does he get out d its the darling of south asia. What does he get out of the reduced tensions with the north . He gets tremendous benefit he has been a prime mover to revive the sunshine policy in the hopes north and south korea can end their enmity and do business together again. When the hanoi summit fell apart he took a terrible blow. This for him is a vindication of his policy. He as president cannot run again but his party has a great deal at stake and he has a great deal at stake in terms of his legacy. He has to be the happiest man in this entire group. Because what it says is that his voice has been heard, and donald trump is absolutely substituting for him. A year ago he was standing on that spot shaking hands with kim jongun. So i think for south korea, especially because relations with donald trump have been so tense at times. The United States says south korea isnt spending enough for putting our troops there. Its been tough on trade. So this is very positive for him and his approach. Jon the two men seem to be very affable. They spoke glowingly of one another at the News Conference that began the last hour. Yes, that, too is a change. If you look at the polls, the gallup poll Shows South Koreans are enormously high on the United States. 80 of south core rians think the relationship with the United States is a good thing. Only 44 in a most of recent poll said relations with donald trump and trust in donald trump was high. Thats the lowest its ever been. So you see the challenge here with respect to south korea. Our most offal life along with japan in asia. A great dice at stake for all three parties. And of course china which has no real interest in seeing he unification or a particular warming of relations between north korea and the United States or north korea and south korea. Jon joining us from seoul, south korea, fox chief white house corresponds yernlt john roberts. In this day and age we expect to see live coverage of every big event every moment in time. We understand marine one hat land inside the has landed inside the landing zone. The two president s will be traveling by car at that meeting spot. But we havent seen any video of it yet. We havent seen it yet. Describe to us whats going to be going on. Reporter one point of clarification. The blue house is actually the prime ministers the president s residence and where he does his official business. Peace house is the name of the building at the joint security area. The press pool that follows the president is on the ground there. And we use technology that uses cell phone notes in order to be able to bring you live pictures. We used to use big satellite trucks. Its impractical. So we use live views that hook up to cell nodes. As you can imagine the cell service isnt particularly great. So they are having transmission problems at the moment. Where President Trump is going initially is to the observation post. Many president s from Ronald Reagan through to bill clinton and george bush and barack obama have gone to that observation post, its a military outpost where you can look across the dmz into north korea. President trump will go there first to look at the dmz, then hell go to the joint security area where moon jaein and kim jongun met last year. The border is a 16inch slab of concrete against a small roadway. We dont know which leader will step over it first. Because its a heavy tourist area, maybe the cell service is better at the joint security area than the observation outpost. We have our fingers crossed well be able to see live pictures of this. But if we cant, it will only be a matter of time. The president says he wont stay there that long before that material is brought to you. We may see it live or it may take a couple hours for them to get back. Jon im curious. Why a tourist area . Its been described as one of the scariest places on earth. Reporter the dmz if you try to cross it is one of the scariest places on earth. A north Korean Defector tried to cross over the border at the joint security area. He was shot several times as he was trying to cross the border. He was actually drags into south korea by a south korean soldier who was stationed there. Its still a dangerous area and sometimes closed off to tourism and sometimes its open. You are able to go up there from seoul. There are bus loads of cowerrists who go up there. Its the one place where south korean soldiers stare straight into the eyes of the north korean soldiers. As long as the tensions arent too hot, you can go up there. But when tensions ratchet up, you are not able to. I have been to the area near the observation post with president bush . 2000, 2003. That was at the time when south korea was blasting across the music to north korea. It was a you are veal experience to be up there. An area behind different many heavily militarized on both sides. The dm zirkts self, the the dmz itself is not militarized. But on both sides it is. Its an eerie feeling to be there staring across the border into north korea. Things may be beginning to change. Wouldnt it be great if they did. Maybe todays meeting will go some distance to take things down the road toward change. We are hoping the press pool will get a signal and be able to bring us live pictures. But well bring you those in the morning. In seoul, south korea its sunday afternoon. The president s we understand are on the ground at the dmz. And we should be seeing pictures of this momentarily. President trump we understand is about to shake hands with north korean chairman kim jongun. Also in attendance, noon joy in, the president of south korea. Joining us live from washington, d. C. Bruce clinger, the former characteristics a Deputy Division chief for south korea. This is a country, north korea that has given the United States and its leadership fifth fifth leadership fits for decades. I have been covering north korea for 26 years. We had 8 International Agreements with north korea because they cheated or failed to live up to their commitment. But that doesnt mean we dont try. But we have to have a more go tailed comprehensive agreement with north korea than any of the ones we had before. They have always been vague with a lot of loopholes. Hopefully the president will press kim jongun to enable these workinglevel meetings where that kind of detail could get through. Jon we are seeing live pictures from the dmz of the motorcade bringing President Trump and president moon jaein of south korea to the Demilitarized Zone. Hes on the north korean side of the border. Pictures are a little bit broken. As you heard john roberts describing. These are broadcast using cell phone towers. And the technology is not always as strong as we would like it to be. But pretty good pictures coming us live from the Demilitarized Zone between north and south korea what has been described as the scariest place on. Talk to us a little bit about that. What is it like to be standing on the Southern Side of the demilitarized zonal . Its very tense. Especially if you have north korean guards pieing in the windows when you are in the blue house that centrals the military demarcation line. But recently the two koreas had a comprehensive military agreement to reduce tensions. They have unarmed guards on the north and south side of the area. It was the u. S. Threatening a preventative attack on north korea. I worked north korea in 9394 in the cia and we may have been closer to a conflict then. There he is. Our first view of President Trump live at the dmz. Following just behindhim you see the south korean president moon jaein. These two leaders will be meeting the north korean chairman kim jongun. But first they will take a look at this overlook that looks over the Demilitarized Zone. We wont be hearing them unfortunately. But you are getting what appears to be a tour from the American Military personnel. We do have some microphones. Lets listen. Thats the number one [inaudible] the back side of the mountain. It is, sir. It is. As far as the safety concern, just past that complex. [inaudible] jon the cameras are moving to get ready for the president s next visit at the Demilitarized Zone. You heard interesting things from the American Military base commander who seemed to be telling the president about the artillery pieces and rockets from north korea aimed at south korea. They would rape fire down on seoul in the. I vent of hostilities. Joining us, bruce clirng who worked at the problem with the cia for a number of years. Those rockets, conventional military forces. And i believe he described them as low tech. But very effective and very frightening if you are worried about the possibility of war between north and south korea. The world is focused mostly on the Nuclear Threat to south korea as well as u. S. Forces and citizens there. But there is also a large conventional threat. North korea has a million man army. There is a lot in the Demilitarized Zone. The caisson heights can reach seoul without having to move forward. So not only do we need to focus on the Nuclear Missile threat, we need conventional force reductions before we sign a peace treaty. Jon tell us how far it is from the observation post where we just saw President Trump and president moon jaein where they will exchange hand shakes with run . Its very close. Its observation post post along the demarcation point. It has a good Vantage Point at the joint security area as well as into north korea. Thats the purpose it has there. Onrsh talk about the. Jon talk about the relationship between the u. S. And south korea. The u. S. And south korea has different views about how to apreach th of d how to approache north. South korea has been pushing an engagement policy. President moon has been pushing for exemptions from u. S. Sanctions far more than the u. S. Is comfortable with. I think that is a bit reduced because president moon realizes the u. S. Is not going to allow the exemptions until north korea takes section toward denuclearization. To try to bring about or reward good behavior, those things have, you know, its behavior has changed for a brief period of time and its usually reneged on the assurances it has given us. There is a long long list of the 8 International Agreements with the north. But south korea has had hundreds of interkorean agreements as well as providing 7 billion to 9 billion under liberal president s. And that didnt produce political or economic reform. It didnt moderate north korean behavior. They still had skirmishes along the dmz and west of the koreas. North korean officials told me they have Nuclear Weapons because they claim they are afraid well attack. And no amount of economic benefits will compensate for that peer of the u. S. Attack. But the u. S. Provided assurances we wont attack them with Nuclear Weapons and that also didnt moderate their Nuclear Program. Jon President Trump meeting with some of the u. S. Military personnel stationed there. And on the left of the screen you can see president moon of south korea. Hes getting the lay of the land from the American Forces there. He bragged about the fact hell be meeting with some of the troops stationed there. And there are 30,000 of them. Now we are back live with moving pictures, but it does tend to freeze because the cell phone towers that are providing these pictures are not exactly the most of reliable. But this will be history in the making as an american president shakes hand with the north korean president kim jongun. The president might even set foot on north korean soil to do so. Its a handshake, a photo hes said to have much want. The president want it, bruce. Ways tonight for kim jongun . Hes focused on sanctions relief. In the hanoi summit he was focused on sanctions relief. It seems all the other issues such as a peace declaration and improving relations are designed to induce concessions from the u. S. Or International Community. So the sanctions certainly have been mor d more rigorously implemented. But it does show we have more we can do. Unfortunately we have been reducing our military exercises with south korea, at least 11 exercises have been canceled. So that either has or with degrading ally capability. We cant lower the shield before the threat has been reduced. Jon there is an arm cities that ended the korean war, but the two countries remain technically at war despite the armistice. Why not call it a peace agreement. The South Koreans are pushing for piece negotiations. If it doesnt achieve anything, you dont want to do that. It wont guarantee north korea will give you something in return. It wont guarantee north korea wont change its behavior. We provided many security guarantees. Also there is a danger of a slippery slope. If you shine a declaration it could lead to the peace treaty which would remove United Nations command and calls for additional reductions or reductions in u. S. Forces there before we reduced the north korean threat to the south. Jon we have a couple of cameras at the dmz. Lets listen to see if we can catch some of the sound between President Trump moon and President Trump. Between president moon and President Trump. [inaudible] jon its difficult to hear the exchange of word between president moon and President Trump. Earlier the president said relations have improved between the United States and north korea. Thats welcome news to the ears of president moon of south korea. He would like to see his country get back together with the folks in the north who have been so long separated. But that could be years and decade away. President trump wants to make history today, and we expect well be seeing that shortly. These pictures do break up or freeze from time to time. But its amazing we are able to bring them to you at all. An american president visits iting the Demilitarized Zone. Moments from now we expect hell step to the line that separates the two nations and shake hand with kim jongun, the leader of north korea. The two obviously have met before in singapore and hanoi. But the hanoi summit crumbled without any substantive agreements. It was thought there wouldnt be any more meetings. But now this. Lets listen. [inaudible]. Jon you heard President Trump saying tensions were at a boil when he came into office. He said things have calmed down quite a bit between north and south korea and the u. S. And north korea as a result of the die local has had with kim jongun. The northern Korean Leader. Kim jongun is apparently waiting there on the other side of the Demilitarized Zone. Hes going to have a brief handshake and perhaps a few words with President Trump. This the result of a tweet the president sent out yesterday. Offering to meet or have a handshake with kim jongun. When you think about it. More than 65 years of acrimony and anger between the u. S. And the north, that border has been in place since 1953 when the armistice was signed that ended the battle between the u. S. And the North Koreans as well as the South Koreans fighting along side of us. The cameras are struggling to get into position for what comes next. We think what comes next is the meeting between President Trump, president moon and chairman kim of north korea. Our next guest, joel rubin, Deputy Assistant secretary of state under president obama. President trump made comments earlier about how former president obama wanted to meet with kim jongun and the president said kim refused the invitation. You are giving us some background on that earlier. Lets get back into that now. Sure, jon. Back in the context, president