hillary's laugh [ laughter ] [ laughter ] [ laughter ] >> love that. but when in crisis, the war on women is hillary's one hit wonder. it's eice ice baby. what they must play at fairgrounds to remember her. it's old, it's a lie, and exposes the truth about hillary's own war on women. remember women working for hillary made 16 grand less per year than men from 2002 to 2008. her defending women is like termites defending wood. but now she's conflate the horror over baby harvesting with a war on women. a lie. but if fetuses can't vote who cares? now she says the e-mail scandal is all politics. this from a clinton, a creature so political she sneezes saul olinsky. she claims she didn't note e-mails were classified. but if you didn't note gun was loaded why would you wipe it clean and throw it in the river? exchanging national security for personal secrecy is not just calculated deception but entitled, lawless arrogance. now get this. we find that hillary's e-mail firm was run from an apartment with its servers in the bathroom. it all makes sense. her campaign is literally in the toilet. >> all right. jesse, as always a pleasure to see you in that fine suit and blue tie. >> thank you very much. >> you think the war on women will work? or will the electorate finally see through this? >> well, i'm very excited to have possibly a female president. i think carly fiorina would do a great job. and if there's a war on women, i don't want to win. if you think that men are dominating american society, well, you guys go at it. >> i saw you say that last night. >> we'll kick back and we'll stay at home. >> i saw you say that last night on "water's world" you said we're kind of exhausted. >> you can twist this around pretty easily and you've done it well. hillary's had a war on women, all bill's mistresses have been smeared relentlessly. she took donations from countries who treat women as sex slaves. i don't care about the war on women. i'd care about planned parenthood's war on babies. i think it's easily dismissible. >> it is, kimberly i think she's desperate. this that is last arrow in her quill. is that phrase? quiver? don't listen to me. listen to kimberly. >> yes, please exactly. she's running out of time. this is become k like a "saturday night live." where was the server? it's in the bathroom. where the drug dealers go to like flush the goods when the cops are doing the raids. you can't even make this stuff up. i mean, right? i think women deserve a better representative than hillary clinton. and that's what i'm saying out there. why do you want to check the gender box unless it's of exceptional quality and integrity? choose better. >> you know, juan, i don't know what you can do with this point. when the server is in the toilet. that's usually clinton's problem. >> oh, wow. >> what would you tell her do? should she apologize or just deny deny deny? >> i think it would be smart if she somehow addressed this in a convincing manner. the problem is for hillary clinton once you get the fbi involved it enters into a realm where the public is like huh, this is serious business. this not some right wing conspiracy. plus i think lots of people have always felt that her behavior was entitled and tear gaarroganu said. that's not good. but i will say this. the danger for republicans is what i'm hearing at this table which is overreach. when you hear people like michael mukasey say three felonies or other people calling for criminal investigation. you know what? we don't know yet. i mean, slow down, guys. it's not time yet. hold on. because you're making yourself look like you're politicizing it when hillary's created her own problems. let her suffer. >> maybe that's a good point, dana. let this thing draw out instead of getting really aggressive up front. >> every day for the last two weeks there's been a new development. today we find out that platt river networks in denver but they had the servers in the toilet in new jersey, there's just a -- i think it's actually good to have a little bit more information. if i were her team i'd say, how do we wipe this issue clean? how do we get -- >> you can't. and a double flush isn't going to do it. >> wiping the server in the toilet. getting very grim. >> very clogged. >> less fiber. here's david egg ignatius on "morning joe" what the officials think about this. >> you have to remember we just had a cia director david petraeus one of the most decorated generals in our modern history who had to plead guilty to a criminal charge involving this question of unauthorized use of classified information. it's not a trivial issue. >> i think what's always made people in the national security community nervous about the clip tons they seem to play by different rules. i think it's that sense of disrespect for the system that's animating a lot of the anger now. >> that was stimulating, jesse. but what he's saying, she's treat k this as a trivial matter that other people treated very seriously. >> she might have to start shopping for pant suits with prison stripes pretty soon. i think the only people ready for hillary are federal investigators. look what happened. petraeus, okay? he had classified information at home. and he gave it to his american biographer. >> who also had a clearance. >> yes. hillary had classified information, also at home, and she gave it to russian hackers and chinese hackers. most likely. i think that's worse. >> you think? >> it goes to the point she doesn't care about e-mail security or embassy security. she doesn't care about border security. and we're supposed to trust her with the codes to the nuclear football. what is she going to leave anytime ladies room? seriously. >> it's a residential apartment. in colorado. this is the secretary of state, kimberly. i know juan thinks i'm overreaching. but she should go to jail! >> it's awful. and believe me, if it was someone else of a different political party or persuasion, trust me they'd be in cuffs already. i'm not kidding you. this is to me unbelievable. people can still just say we're just going to vote for he. let her make snap chat jokes when national security is at stake. she's she is not running for class president it's president of the united states. >> and commander in i think what david ignatius is getting at, the marine that sent an e-mail that had classified information to warn other people in order to protect them and their safety. she was actually trying to protect herself. >> right. >> he is actually at risk of losing his entire career. she's about to be dominated as the democratic nominee for president of the united states of america. you want to be commander in chief and have the respect of the troops? i think what juan was saying can she answer this in some convincing way would be better than making snap chat jokes. but she's already made the snap chat jokes. how do you take that back? >> the problem with david ignatius said, she's very different than david petraeus. >> why? >> he's a wonderful guy. but he gave this to his lover biographer in a very self-serving manner and put american classified information at risk. hillary clinton didn't give it to anybody. she want doing anything. >> private server at her house, juan. >> she had a private server. that's the mistake she made. the mistake of feeling entitled and arrogant which is what it is. >> in one of the reports -- >> that's not a crime. >> satellite imaging that goes from a classified server, copied somehow, gets onto her unclassified server. that is absolutely a problem. but guess what else? layered beneath those images is how we get the images. how we design them. all that metadata stuff. you basically have to rework how you do satellite imaging because that is now compromised. >> why do you think the russians and chinese are running circumstance else around us? because they probably already know everything that was in hillary's server. >> wells donald trump, let me just tell you -- >> are you going to take that, jesse? >> i consider it a compliment. >> that's right. he does consider it a compliment. >> he's like say it again, juan. one more time. say it slowly. >> oh, donald you. but anyway, i'm just going to say that secretary kerry says he this the chinese, the russians, they he read his e-mails as it is now. put anytime context. admiral kirby said yesterday this is about classified doesn't mean it's like top secret going to blow the lid off. >> doesn't matter. doesn't matter. only the president decides what's classified. >> about 5% of all -- with thousands of e-mails. >> i will grant you that the government overclassified a lot of information. >> absolutely. >> that doesn't allow you, however, the right to skirt the law and say it doesn't pertain to you. >> that's what i said. i agree with you on that. >> if dick cheney was at the center of this scandal, then the media would be in a total meltdown. >> there would have been a public execution already. i mean, honestly. >> absolutely. >> it's a total double standard. >> how is it a double standard? >> the point is she gets a pass for things that acts that are committed that are illegal, reckless disregard for national security. >> when you have something illegal come to me. but you have nothing. >> we don't know if it was illegal, juan, because she destroyed the evidence. >> here we go. >> what do you mean? she wiped the whole thing clean. scrubbed the gun. >> apparently the server people say we may have backups. >> remember sandy berger that got caught stuffing documents? >> to protect who? >> bill clinton's hide from the 9/11 committee. >> who are the people running the server? what do we know about them? were they ever sued for fraud? i wonder. >> how did they get the contract? >> exactly. i mean, how does somebody again in an loft apartment in colorado get this contract? why this person? >> you don't just wipe a server clean by accident. you are instructed to do so. >> they're going to have a record of that. they're going to have a record of the date, the time, and who requested that the server be -- i'm telling you somebody is going to take a fall. if i were uma and cheryl mills i'd be like running for cover. >> i think hillary. i think it's no longer -- >> but are going to sacrifice someone why? >> because it's going to metastasize. once they start turning the screws to her inner circle, we already have the obama state department now trying to white want e-mail classifications, they're stone walling. not responding. >> this is where you get in trouble, jesse. >> trickle out. >> keep going. next you'll say we can't trust loretta lynch at the department of justice or trust jim comey fbi because we can't trust barack obama and now we're into right wing conspiracy. >> we're not saying that. >> everybody says -- >> you trust the clip tons that's where you're at. >> oh, no, i didn't. i just said the clintons were guilty of arrogance. >> guilty of influence pedalling over at the clinton foundation. >> i think they should stop take money at the foundation. i think she should turn the server over earlier. i think all of that. >> and stop obstructing justice. that's a nice charge. >> how is she obstructing justice? >> destroying evidence. >> she should argue that her private server was more secure than the government and she could bring up snowden. she prefers small businesses. she prefers the mom and pop. >> wait a minute. you're on the wrong side. >> i prefer the mom and pop over the walmart. >> the other side is doing so poorly he's trying to help them out. >> we've got to take a break. more on clinton's 2016 troubles ahead on "the five" i can't wait. so you think this chip is nothing to worry about? 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i think the republicans -- >> shall we give them rand? >> give them four or five of our candidates. they can have them. and we probably won't even notice the difference. >> especially if it's the donald. >> oh, juan. >> let me ask you something, kimberly. >> i was always the one given. >> really? >> you were the last chosen on the kick ball team, too? >> so mean. >> you can have a participation trophy or ribbon or something. >> we'll give you something. kimberly, bernie sanders? he's been running strong, right? i mean, surprising a lot of people. but he has yet to attack hillary clinton on the main point on which she is vulnerable, which is trustworthiness and this whole issue, for example, of the e-mail scandal. is he afraid to attack her? >> i think it's too soon for that. >> why? >> right now he's trying to sell himself. he's doing quite a good job of it making inroads in new hampshire and in iowa as well. let him keep going, getting in front of people. he's amassing large crowds, stirring up the base. he's going to let the wheels continuing to come off the bus or the scooby-doo van. if i was another candidate i'd wait to jump in later too on the democratic side. whether you're al gore, john kerry polishing already, shining the nobel peace prize he's going to get for that bogus iran deal. or you're biden waiting to go get in after a midnight swim. wait until she continues time plode. then they get to step in and pick up the pieces. in the meantime bernie sanders is already hurting him. >> juan, do you hear that in democratic circles? are they actually worried? >> no. >> the material is all here. >> look at the latest fox poll. she's actually farther ahead of bernie sanders now than she has been in the past. and bernie sanders starts attacking hillary clinton. >> isn't she losing in new hampshire? >> she would be in trouble with the people. he gets these big crowds who come out, right? those people are far lefties. you're not going to make friends there by suddenly attacking hillary clinton. he's just got to say she should move farther to the left. >> what do you think, jesse? >> i think biden might get in. the only problem is biden has to grab like a black lives matter placard or maybe say he's a socialist. because right now you have to be so fringe. that's where the energy is right now is in the far left grassroots fringe. and biden just doesn't have the money to compete. he's too white. just as white and old and mainstream as hillary. and he's -- he's actually dead broke. and the only thing keeping a lid -- >> you mean versus hillary. >> the own thing keeping a lid on the cooks on the democratic party right now is the clinton machine and their money. when the wheels come off and she imploeds you're going to see riots like '68 at the convention. people are going to be coming out of the woodwork, ambushing the stage. it will be nuts. >> will you be there? >> going to clean up. >> your pop collar? >> i was listening thinking is he talking about the republicans? >> no. you guys were the riots, juan. >> the far right and the cooks and all this? i was thinking is he talking about the republicans? >> that's not nice. hello, your children are republicans. >> what can i -- they have a mother, you know. >> what does that mean? >> hillary's decline, she is a victim of the obama hangover. how is she going to repeat that inspirational orgy of hope and change, the seven-year party? everyone's exhausted. it's like the left is so -- >> like they got to go home. >> they're so overly invigorated that it's impossible to stimulate them. >> it's like burning man. okay, it's done. >> that's right. hillary's not going to stimulate anybody unless she laughs and cackles like that. >> so it's last call. >> yes. >> all right. ahead judge napolitano has some news for donald trump about his deportation plan for illegal immigrants. part of it may be unconstitutional. that's next. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t has the tools and the network you need, to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. nobody's hurt,but there will you totstill be pain.new car. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? 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the most deportations and hearings the government has ever done in a year is 250,000. 40 years for the deportation hearings to be held. >> the judge also says the constitution wouldn't allow for the deportation of illegal immigrants that were born here. >> the 14th amendment in its opening language makes up very clear that everyone born here is a united states citizen. even if a mother walks over the border and delivers the baby and leaves, even if they come here just because they want to take part of the welfare state. that's the constitution. can't be changed by presidential order. i'm sure mr. trump knows this and can't even be changed by legislation. >> so therein lies the issue, dana. >> which is one of reasons i expressed frustration yesterday. in that all the things that the judge has said are true and accurate and fact. and just saying we're going to end birth right citizenship doesn't mean you're going to do it. maybe that's okay with people. they just want to hear things that make them feel good for a half a minute. i trial take things more seriously. the judge is right. if it is true there are 11 million illegals here, we have a huge problem. i think the frustration is actually that the immigration system is what's really broken. and i think the jeff sessions there the senator there has a lot of good points. the h 1 b visa program for high tech workers that come here. one of the problems is that you can't -- it's hard to deal with the system. the bureaucracy is outrageous. perhaps there can be an agreement on how to deal with that. but the birth right citizenship issue is something that the supreme court is not going to change it. and a constitutional amendment is just not possible. >> well, a few actual republican candidates in this race right now have proposed constitutional amendments on the supreme court, on abortion, and on gay marriage. so it's not totally out of the mainstream to do that. number one. >> think a gay marriage constitutional amendment is actually going to happen? >> no, i don't. >> that's my point. >> but republicans have also proposed it. i already president obama was elected -- >> you said it was mainstream. not even republicans think that, jesse. >> let me finish, juan. what i also said -- >> the donald is in the house. >> in 2008 when president obama went out there and said we're going close down gitmo. everybody knew it was impossible. he still hasn't done it. worked around the edges. congress blocked him. he tried to send a message to our allies, to the muslims, and tried to set the tone. i think that's what trump's doing. he's a negotiator. he's trying to set the tone. this is his first bid. when he says he's going to do this, maybe that's not his last play. maybe he's sending a message to mexico. maybe he's sending a message to the illegal aliens. maybe he's going to freeze illegal immigration by setting the tone. >> the donald is coming through you today so vividly. he's channelling the donald. what you're telling me is, i really shouldn't take anything you say seriously. >> obama said he was going to get rid of gitmo. it's been 6 1/2 years later. did he fulfill that campaign promise, juan? >> he's working at it. we have fewer people. >> president trump is not going to go around and knock on doors and deport everyone named juan gimenez. he's going to say anytime he's stopped for a dui he'll be supported. >> i think he said everybody. then they asked him do you mean you're going to break up families? he said no, no. >> how are you going to do this if you're not going to break up families? >> they all go together. >> it makes perfect sense. he just said when someone's here illegally are going to be deported. he didn't say anything else about that. and i think that's a strong message and a lot of people agree with that. >> jesse waters. why are you going to mess up with this guy? he's having a good time. >> the truth of the matter is he's charming. >> he has better hearing that the donald. i think the donald envis your hearing. >> go ahead, greg. >> you know, last week i asked for specifics from donald trump, and he upponied up. some of the stuff -- >> specifics. >> he came up with specifics. >> what specifics? >> like e. verify which we've talked about. >> already exists. >> the veisa overstays we've talked about. i'm grateful. some are good, some are unreasonable. but there are two major points i want to make here. we're going to end up spending a lot of time talking about the fourth amendment and what the word jurisdiction means. i really don't want to do that for the rest of the summer. we'll have to make a distinction whether they were talking about illegal immigrants or native children of native americans. the amendment might be wrong. but we're going to end up instead of talking about something they think is much more important. this whole story really is about threat. for the past seven years, president obama has told us the number one threat to existence is climate change. donald trump believes the biggest threat to the united states is security through illegal immigration. i happen to think that they're both incredibly wrong. and i've been hoping for a politician, a republican conservative, who comes out and says it is the future evolution of terror that is what is at stake in this world. it's when terror finally marries itself to the contemporary technology that is available to us. when we sit there with our little drones, once that is married to a bomb, we have a whole new ball game. we're going to look back at this era when we have these explosions in bangkok and these assorted terror attacks in the united states as the good old days. because what we're going to see in five and ten years, we're going to see stuff that is going to be horrible. and i don't think any wall is going to stop that. i think the borders have been erased. this is a smaller planet. it's not mexicans who are blowing up the buildings. >> it's apocalyptic vision. but you're more serious than the donald. >> that's why trump is going to go take over the oil fields in iraq. get that oil back home. >> if he takes them over and somebody gets captured he's going to be mad at them for getting captured. >> not a hero? 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>> no one is forcing people to work at amazon. >> right. >> if you don't like it you go find another job. if you're in the press, don't use their products or their system. but you probably will after writing a scathing report. the ultimate snobby of the times is that every workplace is cruel and inhuman except for theirs. unless you remember a couple of months ago, their news room would actually take photos of their staff themselves, re-enacting mass murders and suicides. this is the "new york times." this is they would re-enact -- that's an nepalese royal massacre. they also re-enacted "heaven's gate" that's a lot of fun. you can tell they're a big barrel of laughs at the "new york times." i don't think amazon does that. >> they're too busy. >> they're too busy working. >> amazon is bigger than walmart. i think it's about a $250 billion company. the ceo is like the fifth richest guy ever. they've become successful by innovating, competing, cutting bureaucracy and slashing spending. this looks like an attack on capitalism. >> i have a friend who works there and says they read the article laughing at the hyperbole of it all. remember jeff bazos made a play at "washington post." ever since, the "new york times" has been ripping amazon story after story after story. so i think this probably is editorial direction to try to attack amazon. it's not fair. >> look who's sticking up for am zochblt our friend jay carney, kimberly. it looks like he's doing just as bad of a job doing p.r. for amazon as he did the white house. >> now he knows what it's like to be a corporation on the other side of an unfair attack from the "new york times." >> right? >> drop the mike, dana. drop the the mike, baby. >> i'm sorry. but it was a rely good point. >> too bad brought it back. >> dating a guy named mike, kimberly. >> maybe. >> you guys have totally ignored any seriousness about this. but i take it seriously. let me put it to you this way. they had a warehouse in pennsylvania where people were dropping because they didn't have any air conditioning people had to work so hard. >> modern sweat shop? >> basically it was. >> not that they're just sweating. >> actual fainting. >> an actual sweat shop. >> but the serious part of it is, i think there are more modern companies today that send you e-mails after midnight and expect you to be on to replay. when you think about people who don't offer benefits when you say to a woman who's had a miscarriage -- >> this is not amazon. >> this was in the "new york times" article about amazon. maybe you're right, dana. >> turn everything into a war on women. amazon is like what? insensitive to miscarriages. >> i'm saying i think in this current economy we're in, employers make a lot of demands of people. >> that's the free market. that's what capitalism is. >> amazon has taken it to an extreme. you guys ignore it and say human beings don't matter. >> that's not what we're saying, juan. >> human beings don't matter. finally got me. i want my prime. >> i know. everybody says they love amazon prime. >> the new rallying cry. human lives matter. >> juan is not allowed to order anything off amazon now. i want his account bounced. >> it's true, right? honestly, amazon is an example of everything that's going right in this country in terms of the economy, in terms of providing jobs and being innovators and industry leaders. they are making everything better, faster, smarter, that's why their profits are going up. >> therefore you can exploit people? >> i did not say that, juan. >> people are signing up to work there. they just hired about 15,000 people last year. are those people suckers? >> in our economy -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> the bright spot in the obama economy, you're criticizing. >> i'm criticizing something that if it exploits people to the point where people are going crazy and everybody is crying at their desk maybe there's a problem. >> maybe you're overworked, juan. >> you did cry at your desk once. >> i want to ask you, did you order this strawman off amazon? >> yes, i did. >> off home delivery. it came in on a drone and going to land right here. all right, next. will raising the minimum wage lead to less opportunity in america? that debate straight ahead. >> that was funny. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping. the drought is affecting at pg&e we've definitely put a focus on helping our agricultural customers through the drought. when they do an energy efficiency project and save that money they feel it right in their pocket book. it's exciting to help a customer with an energy efficiency project because not only are they saving energy but they are saving water. we have a lot of projects at pg&e that can help them with that and that's extremely important while we're in a drought. it's a win for the customer and it's a win for california. together, we're building a better california. there are a lot of people in this country fighting to raise the federal minimum wage. carly fiorina is not one of them. here's the way the gop president candidate stands on the debate. >> i believe that minimum wage should be a state decision, not a federal decision. why? because it makes no sense to say that the minimum wage in new york city is the same as the minimum wage in mason city, iowa. we need to be honest about the consequences of raising a minimum wage too high. one of the consequences is that young people who are trapped in poor neighborhoods will have less opportunity to learn skills and move forward. >> kimberly, what did you think of her fashion? >> well, we were saying we thought she looked fantastic. she looks relatable, approachable. jesse has a thing for plaid. that was working for him. and she just really owns the moment and feels like to me it looks like she feels very comfortable in her own skin. i think people do respond to that. there's an authenticity with her. and also she's always very well prepared for the event. like you don't feel like she needs like 10, 12, 15 people to like handle her and micromanage and tell her what to say and what to think and how to dress and all the above. >> i like her, too. i must say she was the subject of a critical piece today again looking at her background. hewlett-packard, her corporate background. >> must mean she's doing something right. >> here she is now saying this minimum wage. the workers really they don't need it. what do you think, jesse? >> that's not what she said. >> typical liberalism. good intentioned. but when you raise the minimum wage it has a bad result. look what happens to workers when they get a hike they want to cut their hours lower their income and stay on welfare. or the company just passes the labor costs onto the customers, they raise prices and sales go down and tips go down. or robots take over. >> you're just hurting the case so much that i'm going to give dana perino a chance to actually make a good case. >> so she can explain basic economics in a way that is relatable as kimberly said, understandable. people can deal with that. she wasn't saying there shouldn't be any minimum wage. she was saying we have to be honest about possible negative consequences of it. we are seeing that in many of the cities that have decided to go forward. juan, you travel a lot, especially through laguardia. you could have a five-hour delay, buy a lot of things, never talk to a person. they've changed it self-vi self-service and ipads and other things to deal with it. that doesn't mean there shouldn't be more job training and education and things like that. but she's being honest with people about the situation. >> greg the other way to look at this is american companies are doing very well right now but they're sitting on tons of capital. wages are not going up. so you have this political outcry especially on the left that says, hey, why is it that we have to struggle can't even afford to live? >> i think that's a misleading argument. minimum wage is designed for entry level, teens, people who just start in the workforce. it's not -- it was never originally meant for heads of households supporting families, which may be there. and it may be a tiny percentage. but this is basically for people who want to move up. if you raise that run rung then you raise all the other rung rung. you can't have an entry level guy making the same amount as his female manager. that causes more pain for the small businesses because he has to raise everybody's salary. the end result is you take a pie that used to have eight slices, and you now made it six slices. you eliminate jobs which is why pizza places are closing in washington. >> i think you're wrong on one point. i think most of the people who get minimum wage are not teenagers or entry level people anymore. they're people who are struggling to make it in the country. >> temporarily, maybe? >> but i think what dana and what you said absolutely i'm going to acknowledge has some truth to it. it could have negative consequence in terms of diminishing the number of jobs that are available. >> that's an honest, responsible analysis that's going to benefit everybody. >> stop there, juan. >> i agree. but i think you've got to realize wait a minute what caused this? the big corporations are sitting on tons of cash and not raising wages in the country. >> that's because they don't trust the obama regulations. >> how did i guess he was going to go to that false argument? >> ceo. >> you got to stay tuned. because one more thing up next. time for one more thing. kimberly, hi. >> hi. outstanding g.i. jane thing. we have two women who are going to make history this friday by becoming the first female soldiers to graduate from the army's legendary ranger school in fort benning, georgia. we've got some roll here of what they have to do to accomplish this. the two soldiers were part of a group of 19 women and 381 men who made it past this two-month training course that had previously been closed to women. so now the pool was narrowed down to 96 that are set to graduate. two of them women, not releasing their identity. >> you go. >> all right. now it's time for -- greg's secret to happiness! well, here's a tip. you don't mess with a frog by showing him fly pornography. let's roll this, please. >> what? >> look at this. >> ew. >> you think that's fun? huh? think that's good? look at that. that is cruel. that is cruel. but get this. the fly won't take it anymore. he's had it. he's going to get the last laugh. yeah. lou dobbs is now wearing a thumb cast. all right, dana. >> why is this man crying? not because i monday the floor with him yesterday. it is because tom shalou had us in stretches today filling in for greg on greg's day off monday. does this have anything to do with hillary clinton's really poorly delivered snap chat joke? take a look. >> i recently launched a snap chat account. >> i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> it's the town cryer technique. it's the hear ye hear ye. just yell the jokes slowly and loudly. how did the chicken cross the road? >> anyway, we had a great time. and tom shillue is now the host of "red eye" if you catch it at 3:00 a.m. i suggest it. >> i was almost going to make a surprise announcement then i realized i can't. >> okay, good. so marco rubio, my main man yesterday at the iowa state fair, showing off his arm. take a look. oh. take a little mustard off it, senator. hits the poor kid right in the head. kid catches like a democrat. >> oh! >> i think the jets are probably going to sign him next. so just take a little off it next time. i'd like to see hillary's arm actually. >> he throws like a republican. hits kids in the head. >> there you go. there's the lead. republican hates children. >> that's what i was thinking. gregory what coming with that one. so here we go. i've got two summertime baseball stories for you. but guess what? one involves a kid and one an adult. the good and the bad. here we go. in the first one, 5-year-old holly dawson with a prosthetic handmade -- done by 3d printed prosthetics. unbelievable. but she got to throw out the first ball at the orioles in baltimore yesterday to her favorite player, manny machado. here it is. totally awesome. >> so next up, here's a dad trying to catch a foul ball at the angels game yesterday. and he's holding a kid! >> oh, no. that kid! >> no way. >> now greg, was that michael jackson with that kid? was that michael jackson? >> "special report" next. duelling replacements for obama care. two gop presidential candidates unleash plans to jettison president obama's health care plan once he he's the white house. this is "special report." >> good evening. i'm shannon bream in for bret baier. it is one of the handful of policy planks unanimously agreed to by all 17 republican presidential hopefuls. that whoever wins in 2016 gets rid of obama care. but the answer to the question of what would replace it could be the difference between winning and losing the party's nomination. tonight we're getting a look at two proposals. chief political correspondent carl cameron has our top story.