0 >> the communist china thing is ridiculous. we just watched a show where they had to clear the streets off for about four weeks and clear the smog out of the streets. and china has a terrible, terrible reputation on environmental issues. you know, we have some problems ourselves, but nothing compared to that. having said that, so we don't get into a big argument here, nasa released their -- redid their report which we had this debate about where 97% of climate scientists agree that the temperature is rising. now, eric, you can sit there and laugh, but you and a bunch of -- >> i was going to try to be nice. but when you talk about nasa, the american medical association, you go through this list of people who believe this is true and it's the highest temperatures since temperatures have been recordered, you've got to say something is going on, don't you? >> it's not the highest. in fact, that study -- >> well, temperatures have increased 1.7%. >> how old is the earth? >> how old is the earth? i was here at the beginning of it. >> hundreds of years, thousands or millions of years. >> you're going to go on a study that shows a minuscule increase in temperature over 130 years, which, by the way, has gone up and it's going down, and right now, this snapshot in time -- >> not minuscule. >> not 1.4%. >> trying to do my research. >> less than 1 degree is what it is, over 100-some years. >> 140 years. >> okay, communist china is ridiculous. bob is right. beijing olympics, it was like four or five months prior to the olympics people were not lowed to drive a car around the city of beijing because of the smog problem. it's also the reason the u.s. doesn't get involved in things like the kyoto protocol, cap and trade, because china, the biggest polluters on the planet, won't play ball. if we're going to cut our pollution and force our businesses like coal-fire power plants, which obama wants to bankrupt, if we put onerous legulations on them, and china is going to emit what they want, it's one globe. as i said before, pollution is fungible. if they're polluting in china, we're going to breathe it in china. >> so you're saying if they pollute in china, we should pollute here? >> why should we put onerous regulations on our businesses so it costs more to do business when we're not doing it. >> we're the biggest economy in the world and it probably makes sense for us to take the lead on t don't you think? >> the biggest polluter in the world, which is china, they should, too. >> i agree with you, knrout can't force them to do it. >> president obama says the climate is warming faster than ever, which is what bob just said. it's a huge lie. climate change predictions have been wildly exaggerated. i want to show you this shot of an epa administrator who can't say what is going on, interviewed by jeff sessions, i believe is his name. thank you, somebody said yes. that's his name. >> it hasn't increased faster than predicted or not? >> i don't know what the president's context was for making that. i do know that -- >> do you believe the temperature has increased faster than predicted? do i not have the right to ask the epa a simple question that is relevant to the dispute before us? is the temperature around the globe increasing faster than was predicted, even ten years ago? >> i can't answer that question. >> the issue here is that nobody can really answer this question, dana? >> nobody can answer that question, but they all know the answer. >> yes. >> so the answer is, cliempt change, yes. global warming, yes, more money for it, yes. actually, the answer to climate change or any other energy issue is not communism. it's the private sector and capitalism because the only way to grow yourself out of this is to have a lot of economic growth where you have companies or governments that have enough money in their treasury to be able to pay and fund for new projects will be scalable, work so you could replace coal and oil. you can't actually do that now, but the best thing is actually to get america back to work, so we have more money in our own pockets so the companies can invest appropriate. >> it suits to government to get clean air and clean water, to get the corporations to clean up their act. >> who created the epa? >> richard nixon. leaving that aside -- >> i thought he was evil. >> if he didn't pass the clean water and clean air act -- ne r nevermind, i won't get into how republicans are attacking that, but the fact of the matter is anybody who denies this country has polluted and is taking massive steps to correct a lot of that and we have coal-fire plants that are good for us when they're polluting the ausmus fear. >> coal fire power plants have done an amazing job of getting new technologies in there to scrub out as much as they can. it's not entirely risk-free, but they have don a ton. not just because of the government telling them to, but it makes good business for them. i go back to the private sector is better than communiscommunis. >> nuclear power would be the best. >> gina mccarthy was at a hearing in november and was asked about the keystone pipeline and gave a similar answer. she was hammered, why is this bad for the environment? and she couldn't answer it. in fact, she sounded more like an advocate for the keystone pipeline, and this is obama's own person at the epa, short on answers on why we shouldn't develop our own oil right here at home. >> i'm not arguing, but do you know how much oil? >> 700,000 barrels a day. >> per day? >> yeah, part of the problem, keith ellison was on the other network this morning. i was listening to him, and they were talking about other things, and he said definitely not the keystone pipeline. i was waiting for one of those idiots to say, why not? just ask the question, and no one could do it because there's no answer. he's talking about creating jobs. he said definitely not with the keystone. why? >> also for safety. earlier this week, there was a big report and a lot of news articles about the hazards of moving all this energy by rail. >> right. >> if you had keystone pipeline, it's a safer way to do that. >> you still have to move by rail, though, right? >> not as far. >> okay. >> i have a feeling that this topic is now over. >> dead. >> we start to talk about how oil is moved -- >> why did you pick this topic? >> i didn't. they told me. no, they didn't. i love climate change. next on "the five," the most awkward "today" show moment since matt lauer ate that squirrel. we'll show you what happened when kate gosselin sat down with an interview with her twins, her children. it did not go well. plus, barbara bush does not hold back when asked about whether she'd like to have another one of her sons in the white house. her answer when "the five" returns. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room over the pizza place on chestnut street the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreli down i-95. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had thpower to do more. dell is honored to be part of some of the world's great stories. that began much the same way ours did in a little dorm room -- 2713. ♪ this magic moment ♪ i nethat's my geico digital insurance id card - gots all my pertinents on it and such. works for me. turn to the camera. ah, actually i think my eyes might ha... next! digital insurance id cards. just a tap away on the geico app. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know that when a tree falls in the forest and no one's around, it does make a sound? ohhh...ugh. geico. little help here.