0 remember your anger that the irs targeted obama critics, that meant your hated a black president, apology accebeing a . remember as you fretted over the economy msnbc called you racist for expecting better. apology accepted. remember benghazi? apology accepted. remember when voting for obama once but not twice meant you were racist from the start? apology accepted. yes, i'm a forgiving type. it's time to retire the engine that enabled the obama care disaster. a disaster that in its present state causes much suffering to americans, minorities included. if you disagree with me, you're racist. why else would you defend this abject failure? it's the bigotry of low standards. you just don't expect competition from a black leader. by smearing helpful critics, you weren't hiding under a hood but you didn't have to. you had the false armor of political correctness as cover. as everyone is finally admitting, our emperor in the white house has no clothes. even obama admits obama care's a disaster. i guess he's racist too. hopefully this whole thing is ending, a.t., because everybody was scared. >> yes, so no one focused on what was in the bill. they were too busy on who is criticizing him and is there raci racism? >> i should be encouraging it. although if you look at his -- for people who work for him, i don't want him to be nude. bob, is it a problem that if all criticism is deemed racist, that no one will criticize? >> i don't agree with the premise. i know we're going to pick out some -- we've got some sound on tape here about some liberals who have made comments about people being racist. the lion's share, massive majority of people on the left do not believe that people are racist because they disagree with barack obama. i don't believe that gives people cover for anything. some liberal opens his mouth and says the wrong thing. >> being here for 2 1/2 years, eric, how many stories have we done on this very topic? >> it's usually the michael moore or bill maher who claims, you know, if you disagree with barack obama, clearly, you don't get it, you must be a racist. d. also, a lot of democrats now are jumping ship on obama care. are they racist? 39 house members voted in favor of upholding congressman upton's bill. that if you want to keep your insurance, you can. are they racist? >> this is where it's getting a little confusing already here. i don't understand. we're try to make the connection with obama care. when you talk about michael moore, michael moore does not represent a vast majority of the democratic party or liberals or anything else. >> okay, oprah says because he's a black president, joe wilson yelled out -- i know we're playing it. they're yelling in my ear we're going to play it. let's do it then. otherwise bob says you guys are making stuff up. no, the people on left, a lot of the barack obama supporters -- >> a lot of? >> his money people in hollywood say if you don't agree with him it's likely because you're racist. >> you know what, let's play that. oprah on the bbc. i don't know what the bbc is. i think it's a type of candy. she says criticism -- >>er crossed your mind some of the treatment obama and the challenges he's faced and some of the reporting he's received is because he's an african-american? >> probably it's crossed my mind more times than it's crossed your mind. think there's a level of disrespect for the office that occurs and that occurs in some cases and maybe even many cases democratic side. but they hide it. so if hillary clinton gets elected, then are we all anti-women or woman? is that going to be the -- >> that will be the strategy. >> i just have a point on oprah. let me ask oprah -- i'd love to ask her this question. if somebody like president obama was working at her company and had done something the equivalent of obama care at harpo, do we think for one second obama would keep him employed, white, black or anything? the beauty of oprah was she didn't play the race card in her career. she created a product everybody wanted to buy. president obama created a mess that nobody wanted to own including himself. >> oprah here is talking about specifically joe wilson, who yelled out to obama "you lie." >> cherry picking, bob. >> huh? >> cherry picking like you say. >> picking one person and -- same thing this segment is doing. but does anybody believe -- i have to say this, i wonder whether joe wilson would have said the same thing to clinton. >> you remember what he said "you lie" about? >> yes, it was about obama care. if bill clinton had said the same thing -- >> plenty of republicans said bill clinton lied, bob. does that make them what then? >> stand up to the house of representatives -- >> they did it all the -- >> depraved -- >> because bill clinton did lie. all of a sudden we're racist because we disagree with the president? >> you don't stand up in the middle of the house of representatives and say "you lie" to the president of the united states. >> people on the right believe that obama care is a major drastic change. violating constitution. but changed the way we've done business in the country for 237 years. >> what does that have to do with racist? >> it was joe wilson yelling "you lie" because president obama was talking about changing the way -- he completely changed. he took something that was a property, that was not a fine or a fee or a tax, and mandated something. mandated the american people to buy a product. it's never been done before. people on the right including joe wilson at the time were ticked off. >> do you think that bum should have been allowed to say that on the floor of the house of representatives? >> i don't. >> although in england, you know, parliament -- >> by the way, speaking of which, if disrespect means racism, then how can you explain george w. bush? who i think was the beneficiary of more disrespect than obama ever encountered as president. >> the war in iraq had everybody's emotions very raw. so it's the comparison to today is probably not exact. when the speaker of the house and the leader of the senate started calling the president a liar and a loser, that basically i think broke the dam on civility. i don't think joe wilson was the first. i think that started at the top. >> let's go back to a man by the name of oliver stone. what he said about what the republicans are doing to the united states. >> i don't know why these republican white people frankly, the mcconnells and the -- they're strange to me. it's almost as if we're in an apart tight state and they're still fighting for the rights of whites in africa. they're still scared. >> that's what i was getting at. they're threatened by something. it may not be the he's doing anything, but they are threatened by something. >> threatened by the fact he is black and that's enough. >> andrea, it seems like oliver stone is living in one of his movies from 1975. like he has not seen progress. he hasn't left his house. >> he hasn't left l.a. or wherever he lives. in his bubble. so, yeah, just like we talked about earlier in the week with richard cohen from "the washington post." an example of racism worse than we've seen on the right. oliver stone, republican white people? but there's no outrage about that? he can just label white people as being bad and republicans and racist and get away with it. president obama was elected with a tremendous amount of good will. the first thing he did with the democratic congress and the will of the people -- a lot of people were on his side to reform health care. he got a total pass on that. people questioned that was going to be his first legislative accomplishment, why not the economy? people went out of their way to not criticize him and give him that pass and let him do what he wanted. >> don't you think this is a huge reach we're playing here? oliver stone? is he supposed to represent the left? come on. this guy, we don't pay attention to this guy. i didn't even know he was still alive to be honest with you. >> lefty saying something as ridiculous as oliver stone says or oprah says or bill maher. it just goes on and on. >> -- right wingers -- i mean, if i had all the editors available to me to pick out the -- >> they're easy. everywhere. every week. >> you don't think we had enough people looking for what conservative right wingers say, we couldn't come up with a package like this? >> i think there are a number of wa wackos on both sides, there's just more on your side. >> there's a difference when it comes from hollywood. in terms of the culture and popular media. when you have someone as big a star as oprah. when she says it, i think she's being sincere, she really believes that. then you have oliver stone who basically -- these are the leaders of most of the ways people get information in the united states. i do think that is different than finding some two-bit congressman or state representative in north carolina who might have said something at some point in his career. >> there's no impact on pop culture. that's a good point. "new york times" made this comparison to obama care, to hurricane katrina. can i read this very long quote? the disastrous rollout not only threatened the rest of his agenda but raises questions about his competence. in the same way that the bush administration botched response to hurricane katrina undermined any semblance of republican efficiency. so there is a difference here. president bush did not create katrina. >> one is a natural disaster. one is a self-inflicted mortal wound. >> he's an oil man so he actually caused it. >> there's a connection there. i think the end result's going to be the same though. this is going to be a lasting impression on the obama legacy. hard for him to ever get over. >> -- ask your political analysis, tell you that -- >> except katrina affected one region -- >> how are you going to reverse something? >> you can't. >> let's talk about this. he'll never reverse this. this will go with him for the rest of his entire life. when you look back 30 or 40 years from now, remember barack obama, oh, yeah, he's the guy who blew obama care. >> katrina was one region. this is across the country. >> bob, how do you think he actually overcomes this? honestly. >> i don't think he does overcome it in the short term. i'm not ready to say this doesn't -- i mean, i go back for singer payer. i'd much prefer to live with this than live with the insurance company and the free market trying to decide who's going to be healthy and who's not. >> there. >> it is talk about pick and choose. they'll pick and choose wealthy people over poor people. >> corporate welfare. >> the middle class didn't fare too well either. >> even in this catastrophe, "new york times" -- >> they can't help themselves. i was a spokesperson for the press secretary that was in charge of the homeland security for the katrina issue. we all dealt with that. all hands on deck. it was a horrible period. if i'm being charitable to "the new york times" if they're talking about the political aftermath, and i don't think the two issues are at all comparable, but the political aftermath in disarray with the white house and how that had to get fixed, and it did, several months later, that's what i think they're talking about. >> can i also just throw this last thought in? the right warned about obama care. there was no -- >> actually, president bush did tell them to evacuate. >> all right. we must evacuate but only for a little bit. hours after president obama told you he wants to win back your trust, he vowed to push back against those who don't trust his health care plan. plus, the wait is over. you know it's my favorite thing of the week. facebook friday. that was my nickname in high school. your chance to ask us all sorts stuff. log on at facebook.com/thefivefnc. that's really easy, you know? we'll answer some of the questions later. 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