overcommunications. you mentioned they don't know how many people are missing because they're having such a difficult time talking to each other. phone lines are down, cell lines are very difficult, although we're able to get texts in and out, but coordinating an effort to find out who should have been where and where those people are now has been virtually impossible. right now it's up to residents to try to explain to authorities who in their family may be missing, and that's a difficult task as well. much of the effort today is on salvaging what people can. they're letting some people back into their neighborhoods to get things like medicine and other things that they need and can't purchase. we went into one of with those neighborhoods just to see the destruction this afternoon. this is just on the edge of where the storm hit. as he pans to the right, you'll be able to see what's left around here. see what happened to these trees? just splintered and twisted and broken away with metal thrown into them. it's like this everywhere you go, that tree over there and house after house after house. there's something left of these. they'll probably have to be torn down. if you pan to the left over there, you'll see where the homes are just obliterated. you can go to any spot in this neighborhood and for blocks and blocks and literally miles and miles, and this is what it looks like. not isolated damage but widespread with people coming through the neighborhoods trying to find what they can to salvage the day after the storm struck and reality sets in. it's cold, it's lightning, it's windy. a storm has just passed through, and local television stations are warning another hail storm may be on the way. the folks on the porch over here are lucky to hear that there's not going to be a tornado today, not in this area. it's a danger for others that has not passed, but it did rain for hours on end. they were expecting golf ball-sized hail in this particular area. luckily it didn't come here, but in other areas around oklahoma city, it was a very violent afternoon. of course, the storms have moved on. the rescue and recovery efforts continue here. cleanup will go on for weeks, months, i dare say even years as residents come back to see what's left of what was. kimberly, back to you. >> all right, shepherd. thanks. let's bring in gary england who is the director of meterrology. you've been covering these storms for decades. how do this one compare, and are there any threats in the area today as we speak? >> well, this one, just very quickly i'll tell you, it rates at the top of the scale. may 3rd, 1999 has always been the benchmark we used. this one, the wind speed was extremely high. it was about 1.3 miles wide at the widest. that's is huge. it's extremely powerful, so on a scale to 1 to 10, it was a 10 as far as i'm concerned. as far as risk today, we still have a tornado watch for a little bit of far southeastern oklahoma, but priernlly right now we are getting some flash flooding and a few severe thunderstorms and some hail. i think the main risk of the severe weather and tornadoes is down in texas, on into eastern texas. >> gary, did this take people by surprise? >> no. we actually knew two days ahead of time, or at least we thought we knew. in fact, three days ago we figured we were going to have two days of tornadoes. that was the day before yesterday and yesterday, so we were aware the situation would be just ripe for severe thunderstorms and tornadoes. we were well aware, and here in oklahoma, all the television stations, everyone talks about it. we tell them it's coming. we put out graphics saying hey, this is where it will be and what we expect to happen and roughly what time. there should have been no surprise. in oklahoma if you have a radio or a tel television or a wireles whatever, you're aware of what's going on. >> gary, this is bob beckel. let me ask you. this was 1999 he tha they had ar or almost as strong a tornado coming through. people must be prepared for this sort of thing, but all these people died. were people not making continue tin genessee -- contingency plans for this. wouldn't the school have gone into the basement or shelter as opposed to sitting in the halls in the middle of the school, and weren't people who rebuilt after that '99 storm, did they rebuild with a stronger structure or something that made -- i know you can't make it tornado-proof but make it less likely that the damage would be as high as it is? >> many, many people put in storm shelters and safe rooms after the tornado of 9 of '99. it comes down to money. do you have the extra money to put it in. yesterday was the worst possible. i've always thought about if a tornado comes during school time, the parents see the warning and they all run and they try to get to the schools to get the kids, and it was just a bad, bad scenario. with the kids killed in the school, they were, as i understand, they went were they were supposed to go. i don't know whether it was in the hall. one school i think they were in the hall. not a good place, but probably the best place. the other one i understand they were in the basement. that's where some of the fatalities occurred. >> gary, you said there was a couple days notice. tell us leading up to the actual tornado going over that school, i think a lot of people are focused in why kids were at risk and lost their lives with the tornado. how much time did that school have and why are kids in hallways and in doorways rather than being in some really, really safe storm enclosure or shelter? >> some of these schools are built years ago. they're just classrooms and halls. they appear what picks to be the safest place. we tell them never to get in a hall that doors that open to the outside. it becomes a tum o tunnel of rey bad things. some of the schools have safe rooms. some are built partly below ground. this one with all the severe damage apparently wasn't all that safe, but 50eu i'll say the tornado went exactly through it with winds at the core of the tornado over 200 miles an hour. it's difficult to make anything withstand that unless it's a giant safe room. >> gary. i've heard that this has been dubbed the worst tornado in the history of the world. any insight on weather patterns going forward? is this something that could be increasing? what does the weather now tell you coming down the pike that the midwest should be prepared for? >> well with, you know, we've had a shift in our weather pattern. we've been cooling somewhat for some time now, so that says the upper air pattern has shifted. we're a little bit colder aloft. that can make you very unstable on the surface. the hotter it is on the surface, the colder it is above, the bigger storms you can have. it's all interrelated. you hear about the el nino and the pdo and all these things are connected. no one has been able to figure it out. i think what we can expect, to answer your question, is more of the same. we'll go through periods where there's hardly anything. in fact, we're in the lowest count of tornadoes since we started keeping records, and that's across the united states. we've had very few tornadoes, and then you get this monster. >> gary, what are the hazards that you've got to look out for after this happens? the types of injuries or anything like that that people have to look out for? >> well, what we tell the folks, first of all, when they take shelter, you know, if they don't have a safe room or if they're not below ground, put headlights on, any -- put helmets on, any kind of shatter resistant goggles. one of the things after a tornado, they need shoes. the power lines are down. you step on one of those and you're toast. things are still falling. we had reporters down yesterday in one of our locations and the power poles were still coming down occasionally. so there's just so much to look out for, and it's just absolutely chaos. >> gary, we want to thank you for being with us, gary england, oklahoma news, kwtv. joining us now is a pediatric trauma medical director of the children's hospital at ou medical center. 59 children have been there since the storm on sunday and two kids are currently in critical condition. doctor, can you give us an update on what the status is of some of those children, those that are in criti condition, especially? >> both the two that were in critical condition yesterday are still in the icu. i would say that i would upgrade one to fair condition with one still being critical. both are doing okay. >> doctor, let me ask you. with kids, you know, i keep thinking about this school where the kids were in the hallway and a lot of them were hurt. what is the most dangerous part of a hurricane from a medical standpoint? is it material blowing through the air? i mean, i understand that some of the material in that town was found 80 to 1 with000 miles awa. are kids in a school where there's lots of stuff, desks, chairs, all that. does that make it more dangerous for them? >> i think that being in tornado, no matter where you are, is going to be dangerous, whether it's school or whatnot. we saw -- i was here in '99 and we saw far less head injuries this time which are actually the most worry some things. this was mainly extremity injuries, a lot of soft tissue injuries, and so it was more probably flying debris, falling debris, stuff caving in, maybe perhaps, but you know, i would take somebody with a arm over somebody with a -- with a broken arm over somebody with a bad head injury in something like this. >> dr. letton, i guess they're called high velocity injuries that happen during a tornado. now i understand there's a phase, another phase, a phase two, so to speak, water-related injuries, water-related illnesses and infections and whatnot. are you on the lookout for that? is that a concern? >> yes, and i think also because of the strange infections that one thing we learned from the joplin tornadoes, there were just a lot of different bacteria and even some mold and things in water and in the surrounding area. the kids come in covered in mud. it's amazing. we almost have to give them a bath before we can even tell what's going on, and so we will be watching for infections for the next few days. >> dr. letton, have you been able to accommodate all of the people that need help? >> i'm sorry. >> it looks like we may have lost him. doctor, are you still with me? >> you haven't lost me. i've still with you. >> are you able to accommodate the people? i know a hospital was in the path of the tornado, and you probably already had patients there. the influx of patients, and as you mentioned, the second wave. are you having to send patients to nearby hospitals or other towns or other volunteers coming in? how have you been able to adjust to the situation? >> we have not had to turn anybody away so far, and actually, we've called around to other hospitals to make sure that they weren't holding children that needed to come here just because they thought we were overwhelmed. we only had to admit about 20, 25% of the children that came in last night, so once we figured their injuries out and got them addressed, we didn't have to bring everybody into the hospital. we're actually doing okay. >> hey, doc, when you looked at the miles of destruction, were you amazed that it wasn't worse? i mean, did you expect more human suffering? >> i really did. i was -- again, i was here in '99 doing my fellowship, so i was actually at home when the tornado was coming through. as soon as i saw the tv images, it was so reminiscent of 14 years ago that i came back down, and the whole way in i just had this mindset of how bad it was going to be. now, we had a lot of kids. we saw over 50, but the degree of the injury was nowhere near as bad, it seemed, as it was 14 years ago, so while i hate that 50 kids showed up at our door, i look the fact that most of them were able to walk away. >> doctor very quickly, we don't have a lot of time. a lot of us are scratching our head. the medical examiner last night said 51 fatalities. it was downgraded to 24. how does something like that happen, can you tell us? >> i wish i could tell you because i went home, and i was assuming it was 51, too. i heard as high as 20 something children and i was som somewhat distraught that we couldn't do something about it, so i'm actually very happy that this morning it's been downgraded to 24 and only nine, although i wish that nine was zero. >> amen. >> dr. robert letton, thank you for the work you're doing there. i know it's very tough, especially seeing all those kids coming in injured. he's the director of the medical center at oklahoma city, ou medical center. thank you so much for being with us. and at home, if you would like to help, please call 1-800-redcross and press 4 or you can reach the salvation army at 1-800-salarmy. you can log onto foxnews.com for more information. we're going to have more on the recovery efforts in oklahoma up next. first, when did the white house learn about the irs scandal? 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[ music ] >> kimberly: we have breaking news in the irs scandal. fox news has learned that lois lerner, the irs official that revealed the agency had been targeting conservatives, will invoke the fifth amendment when she appears tomorrow before the oversight and reform committee. former irs commissioner douglas shulman testified and it was revealed for the first time his agency targeted tax exempt status. while that was going on, white house spokesman jay carney revealed the white house and the irs had previously discussed how they were going to frame their story to the public. >> you're saying there were some preliminary discussions with the white house about the irs issuing an apology through a lois lerner speech. >> there were discussions between the treasury chief of staff's office and the office of general counsel and the white house counsels office and chief of staff's office about the timing of this information release and the findings themselves. >> so now we know the white house was not only aware of the scandal a month ago but that they seriously considered a preemptive response. as for the president, the white house continues to not only claim that they sat around and included how to message this without telling the president and the president just read about it. are you buying what carney is trying to sell? >> this -- this administration is as transparent as a behrka. the irs story was supposed to be gee whiz, we didn't know anything about it. we found out it's more choreographed than cats. that question was planted. they had a discussion before they planted that question. it's incredible, and then everybody keeps saying how they don't know. weren't they supposed to be the best and the brightest? weren't the republicans supposed to be stupid and the democrats were going to be so smart, but it turns out there' they're as f not dumber than republicans. no one wants to get to the bottom of this because it will be the women bottom of their mi. they just want to push it off. >> lois lerner, kimberly, tomorrow will plead the fifth. >> kimberly: she might not plead the fifth on how she went after the tea party, but the coverup, kimberly, because she's contradicted herself in previous statements. she's lied so many times, and now she says i don't want to talk on the hill. >> kimberly: it's the coverup that will get you. just ask martha stewyart. that will get you making ponchos in prison. lois lerner is dead woman walking. she doesn't have anything to hide. why does she have to take the fifth amendment because guess what? there's criminal activity afoot, people. that's a fox news alert for today, and they are ducking and running for cover. they should. i hope they're diligent and get after this. >> eric, can i ask you about this article in the american spectator? it's been reported that the irs union chief, colleen kelly. >> right. >> met with president obama on march 30th, 2010 in a face-to-face meeting. >> even worse. >> the day after it looks like they began the irs targeting tea party groups. >> according to the inspector general who picked out april 1st as the day they started this process, right. according to the white house logs, miss kelly visited the white house. now, what did she talk about? by the way, it says visited the president. i don't know. who else? i'll give you another one. jack lew who used to be chief of staff tor president obama who now heads the treasurery that oversees the irs. tie ratyrannical governments seo bounds. if the lap dog media ever gets off president obama -- >> what day did they have the meeting. >> march 31st, 2010. >> taking the fifth? i'm not sure she's not just protecting herself. i think lois lerner will take the fifth to protect herself, obviously, or protect maybe the white house or maybe she's afraid of the back lash from the white house if she doesn't. >> bob? >> is your assumption, if i follow your reasoning, as corrupt as it is, that they had this visit and the president of the united states said i want you to get your people to investigate conservative groups? >> i didn't put myself in the media. i simply said the head of the irs union, the employees union went to see president obama on march 31st, according to these inspector general of this whole mess. on april 1st, the very next day, is the day they started targeting the tea party groups. >> the president meets with virtually every ahead of every union in an election year. they went out on strike in a couple places. does that mean he said go out and strike in these areas? >> no, but the day -- bob, it starts to smell when the day after they start to target conservative groups and shulman was on the hill today. he said he doesn't believe that he was aware the irs was targeting conservative groups. you made a great point last week. the president should apologize. to shulman today. he was the acting head of the irs. >> can i make a point that the tax policy center, and we know this statistic is true, that 47% do not pay federal taxes, so you hear all this stuff, and when we're doing this story, that means 47%, to them it's like soccer highlights on the news. they just completely tune out. that's why the democratic party needs to have a dependent class because the dependent class relies on the irs as their muscle. >> and why not take out the tea party? they're the ones calling to shrink the irs. of course that i remember in thh they're in crosshairs. directly ahead, a today tea partiers gathered to protest outside the irs offices across the country. their story is next on the five. 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[ laughter ] >> greg: you were not listening but writing down numbers for something. boycott i was writing down numbers to see how long you were going to bore me. >> greg: you did not listen to a single word. boycott that'boycott.>> i knew . they're planning to sue the irs. what do you make of that? >> i think it's the right thing to do on their part. by the way, there's two groups that are helping them sue, one of which is the most m maligned around the table, the aclu. >> well, finally stepping up. >> greg: the aclu is suing because they asked to find out if they were being targetd, and you're talking about the doj. not necessarily the irs. can i make a point? remember the tea party got together and pushed back against obama care? look what we have now. we have the irs about to take over administering obama care, a perfect circle, and the tea party was right from the very beginning to push back from this. this is bad. >> nobody is giving them credit. >> right. >> that's the problem. >> hopefully this rebirth, is that a real word? >> it could be. >> it rebirths the tea party. >> it's like high plains drifter returning to the town after he was almost killed. >> it should be bigger and stronger now because they have more sympathy from the other siefd the aisle. now they're not the big bad bullies. maybe they should make a case to abolish the irs, get rid of it all together. i talked to a woman from the tea party patriots. you would not believe the questions they asked her at the irs. under the threat of perjury. they said predict in the future the answers to these questions, how much money you'll make. she said andrea, i felt like it was a trap, like i was almost being set up. she said she knows a bunch people who didn't even apply because they said we just give up. we're not applying. did that have an effect on the election? well, i think so. >> well, first, wait a second. bob, what do you think about what andrea said? >> i think what she talked -- >> he wasn't listening again. >> you have been writing something over there. kimberly, last word? >> kimberly: literally last word. word. i'm going to save you here. i'm you're human parachute, baby. this is why i think everybody should take it seriously even though 47 percent of the people who care are paying the taxes. we've got the dependent state on our back. nevertheless, they should care about your freedoms, about your first amendments, about being able to make sure that an agency that is so powerful and crushing like the irs is above corruption because what they've done here by targeting americans is not only unconscionable, it's illegal. it's illegal. it shouldn't happen. >> bob, i just want to know. are we keeping you from something better to do? >> if you really want to know, if you guys really want to know. >> i do. >> i'm trying to make out my taxes because i'm a little late for this year. first of all, you're talking about the tea party, something i really don't talk about that much. i'm doing it, but listen. this has been a bad enough week for me as it is, all right. give me a break. >> is he playing kimberly? >> that's amazing. >> a lot of numbers. >> you have 42 minutes on this show. >> that's not what he's doing. >> it's not irs. >> i guess i better not. >> we don't want to know. >> he's calculating our ratings which is good. he cares. >> pull the rip cord. >> back to the front lines of yesterday's deadly tornado in oklahoma. shepherd smith is there. we'll get an update on the relief efforts. please stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] clearly this isn't one of those speed-eating contests. that's a hebrew national hot dog. a kosher hot dog. that means we're extra choosy about the cuts of beef that meet our higher kosher standards. and only a good, old-fashioned slow-motn bite is gonna capture all that kosher delight. and when your hot dog's kosher, that's a hot dog you can trust. hebrew national. >> okay. let's go back now to moore, oklahoma where shepherd smith has the very latest on the aftermath of yesterday's deadly tornado. shep, give us a sense. is there any more indication on the death toll? this number jumps around, 51, 24. we don't know where it is. why would the medical examiner be so wrong the first time? >> reporter: well, you know, it's a real good question, eric. it's our understanding that in the chaos of it all, they counted some people twice. given my math, they must have counted some people more than twice. i'm not sure how it happened but i can tell you commune cailgt is probably the most difficult thing you can do here. land lines don't work. in most areas, cells don't work. you can get texts in and out. emergency workers are using two-way radios to relay information. there's really no clearing house for information, so i guess just a lack of disorganization and probably chaos while officials are trying to figure out how many people were dead. most people were trying to dig children out of schoolhouses, so i think they were doing the very best they could and trying to provide information when they really didn't have all the information to give and they made mistakes. thank goodness their mistakes were overestimating, not underestimating. it was great to get off the plane this afternoon, eric, and learn that not as many people had died. i guess in many ways, it's good news. >> kim shepherd, it's kimberly. you had a gentleman on earlier, and thankfully his whole family survived. it was cold out. he didn't have a jacket. you asked him do you have a jacket to put on, and he couldn't find a closet. how is the shelter system, you know, working right now for families in need? >> reporter: from what i've seen in the early going, kimberly, it's working great. as we drove in, the first time today it was raining, there was lightning in the distance. there were people on the sides of the road giving out food and water. there were places set up for people to donate clothing and then people sort through them and get sizes together for people with kids, and there are coats available. you just have to go to the places where they are. again, it comes down to communication. for that particular bunch, i didn't realize he didn't have a coat and that he was cold. i'm loo like look, go left and there's a big trailer set up. they'll get you whatever you want. any time i've ever covered anything here, kimberly, going back to the oklahoma city bombing and tornadoes since then, these people come out of their houses or what's left of them to donate to people. folks who don't even have much for themselves, so i'm always inspired coming here in the face of tragedy. that's one thing as journalists that we look for, that triumph over tragedy. i think we see that in this heartland spirit. they're calling themselves oklahoma strong with a nod to the good folks up in the northeast in boston. i think they're living it. >> all right, shep. we're going to say thank you. doing some great reporting, shep. the right guy in the right spot. be sure to tune into the fox report tonight at 7. shep will have a lot more. now let's check in on the relief efforts in oklahoma. joining us from moore is a spokeswoman from the red cross. jennifer, andrea has a question for you. >> jennifer, i understand there's still a number of missing children and missing folks out there. how are the rescue efforts progressing? have you been able to find some of these children or some of these folks who are missing? any positive stories to highlight, and if so, what condition are they in? >> well, you know, as far as search and relief efforts, that really lies in the hands of emergency management, and relief workers, and they are out there, out and about. we are supporting them in the incident command center, providing 24-hour food and water, and we are taking those that are affected that are not missing, those in our shelters. we've got two shelters open here in moore, and they're rolling into what i would call emergency aid stations. people are coming and going throughout the day. they're getting a hot meal. they're talking with one of our health counselors, a registered rn or someone of that degree to help fill prescription medications they may be missing, and also just to get information, so it's been one of those days of the ebb and flow in a lot of places. >> jennifer, i was wondering. you look at all this debris, and i'm wondering how long does it take to clear all of this debris, where does the debris go? who is in charge of this? i mean, i think that has to be a huge issue at this point, right? >> well, you know, i don't want to try to speculate in these early days on how long it will take. i can tell you that this community, there are neighbors coming out who have not been affected who are pitching in, putting on work gloves and helping families dig through the rubble and try to find pictures and anything else that they can salvage. we saw that a number of times today, and we also found a number of military members that came out in uniform. they just jumped right in as well, people handing out water, so it's certainly the red cross that's responding, but it's not just the red cross. it really takes a community of people and a community of organizations like the salvation army was out here today to come together and prop up this community and get them back on their feet. >> jennifer, let me ask you a quick question. we've goanl got only got a fewr a few seconds here. of all the things you've been involved in with the red cross, how does this rank in terms of disasters? >> you know, each disaster is so different. it is incredibly difficult to compare one to the other, so i would hate to weigh one over the other, particularly in this case when so many lives have been lost, and people are still missing. but oklahoma city and the c shoe red cross is here. we are putting our efforts behind the city to ensure that we've got them covered. >> we'll leave it there. jennifer, thank you very much for the work you're doing. our prayers and our hearts go out to all you people who are helping out and the families. coming up, the obama administration has been spying on fox news reporters. chilling details about what they were doing and why. that's next on the five. i don't make any decisions about who to hire without going to angie's list first. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. so you can make easy, no-fee reloads with cash and checks... ♪ ♪ and know you're not on your own. so you can get the reloadable card that keeps up with you. chase liquid. so you can. [ music ] >> welcome back. the associated press is not the only media outlet that's been targetd by the obama administration. turns out two fox news reporters, james rosen, and william la jeunesse were also targetd. the justice department sought the espn of rosen's personal e-mails on criminal conspiracy grounds. it was part of an investigation into a story he did in 2009 north korea. kimberly,. >> yeah. >> what standing does the government have here to investigate some of these private e-mails and a reporter who is doing his job? >> here's what's so interesting about it. he should have been notified when they were going to search his g mail account and read his e-mails and have him followed. you're supposed to let rowsn know and let fox news know. they initially went to one judge who denied the grounds. he said you have to notify them if you're going to do that. then they went and had another judge overrule it and give relentless in their desire and pursuit to infringe on his privacy. this is something that really is unbelievable, and illegal. >> greg, let me ask you a question. the ap investigation had to do with an ongoing investigation into the potential bombing of u.s. airliner out of yemen. what difference does that make between this one and the yemen thing? > >> greg: well, a, they're calling rosen a co-conspirator. also, it's north korea. it does involve nuclear weapons. it seems like it was a conversation. the big point for me is there's been a shift in po layerty. the lo polarity before the obama administration, was us against them. the polarity has disappeared because of all of our a acquiescence to our countries. the polarity is our government versus those who kansas disagree with our government. we, fox news, is now the enemy. we replaced patriotic enemies with political ones. >> do you think rosen will be indicted on conspiracy charges? >> they would be foolish to pursue this. >> i don't think they will. everyone needs to know if it can happen to james rosen, it can happen to anybody. this is why it's so darn important that we make you aware of what's going on. >> bob: andrea, what do you think? >> conspiracy is a very, very serious charge. they're treating him like a spy, like he's part of the kgb for doing his job which is why it doesn't add up, bob. if they want to go after whistleblowers, why not look at the government. why cast such a wide ned on the ap. why target reporters like james rosen. they did not take the proper protocols and channels to do this. they're in real trouble. the worst part, a final thought, the ceo of the ap said the worst thing to come out of this, everybody is scared and nobody is talking which is exactly what they want. thathat is a chilling thing. >> bob: all right. one more thing is up next. 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[ female announcer ] when people talk, great things happen. >> on a positive note, it's time now for one more thing. andrea? >> yesterday i was able to interview donald ric rumsfeld oy radio show. he offered some harsh critique and information saying we could have rescued those four americans in benghazi that night. take a listen. >> when they were under attack, at that point the tradition in our country and in the military is to step forward and do what you can to try to save the lives. there were forces that could have done something from everything i can tell. in tripoli there was a unit. in italy i believe there was a unit, and someone in that chain of manned said don't do it -- of command said don't do and i can't imagine. it's the most unprofessional, unmilitary thing. >> i will treat out the full interview, but here's the book, rumsfeld rules. it's awesome. he's such a stud. it's great. >> sorry, bob. >> bob: when you say that, my stomach goes. go ahead. >> kimberly: coming out of tragedy, there are often moments that are memorable and heart wrenching. this is one of them. barbara garcia, a survivor of the massive tornado that struck the oklahoma suburb. she's talking to a reporter for an interview and she's looking for her lost dog. >> i hollered for my little dog and didn't answer, he didn't come. i know he's in here somewhere. >> the dog. the dog. >> hi, puppy. >> oh. oh. oh. come on. >> oh. god just answered one prayer to let me be okay. >> very sweet. >> we're running out of time. very quickly, last night this picture came up from the oklahoma county sheriff. take a look. that dog was rescued. he's got tags, but a lot of dogs and animals aren't, and they're lost. go to this facebook page. facebook.com/ok pets. if you've lost a dog or found a dog or animal, it's helping everyone out. >> the obama administration has opposed the release of the pictures of osama bin laden after he was killed under the reason they don't want to inflame u.s. and islamic tensions. a three-court fed judge ruled in favor of the administration. therefore, you won't see osama bin laden's pictures. >> osama bin laden. >> thank you. we can't forget the massive explosion that occurred april 17n in west texas. 14 people killed, 200 injured. willie nelson hasn't forgotten. on his 80th birthday he raised $120,000 which he gave to two towns devastated by the explosion. well done, willie nelson. >> that was a nice willie. >> he's always been there. he's been to the farm aid concerts, many of which i went to, some of which i can remember. >> what does he say? okay, never mind. whoa. let's get out while we can. that's it for us on the five. again, our thoughts and prayers are with the people of only. we'll see you tomorrow. special report is next. holding out hope for survivors in a town turned to sticks and bricksth is special report. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. teams continue at this hour to search for the rubble in moore, oklahoma after yesterday's yests disaster. the national weather serves is significant it's an ef-5, the strongest of ratings. although the extent of the damage is unknown, it's fair to say it's one of the most destructive twisters in american history. here you see the plaza towers elementary school on the left before the tornadoes struck, and on the right, after. complete and tragic