0 get -- it has to be a self-standing press conference on all of these issues and get it out. >> didn't i hear you say yesterday, lie, cheat, steal, i just want to win. that's okay? >> i didn't -- i didn't -- >> i'm pretty sure i heard that. >> i said, lie, cheat, steal to win. i said that when you have a presidential campaign going on there's a lot of bad news that is trying to be held back so it's not brought out during the presidential campaigns. that's poll six. i've done it myself. i understand that. that doesn't mean that you are going to allow the irs thing -- the others are going to be surviveable. does anybody believe that two people in cincinnati were responsible for this? no. >> we didn't come up with that. they told us that. dana, you've been -- you've seen this before from the inside, behind stage. what are the optics? what are they showing us? >> well, so this press conference is not called to -- what is everybody talking about. >> the word optics. >> he's going to vanish. >> such a stupid word. >> wait. >> i'm not allowed to talk. >> what? >> you don't talk. >> we're the other people. >> we're the eye candy. >> the others en masse. we're told before we're not allowed to talk. >> give him some oxygen and shut up. >> at least i look good on fox. >> i find that offensive. >> i wasn't going to be able to give a good answer until i know what the snickering is about. i thought it was quite inhospitable to have him stand there in the rain during a press conference, it was an availability, but it's a tradition. when you have a foreign leader come to the white house, it's either in the oval office, sometimes in the east room. typically it would be a beautiful day. unfortunately it rained. each leader takes two questions a side. you get two people from the foreign press, two people from the american press. they usually ask about 20 questions within those. but today knowing that usually the american press will ask an american press policy question, to have the president stand there and listen to at that all of that, remember, he has to have simultaneous translation at the time. the issue is a serious one and what we have to think about. that's what we're going to do in syria if we're going to do anything at all. there's that part of it. i also think last night after the president's statement in the east room, all of the president's staff were high fiving themselves. we fired the i.r. guy, benghazi airs out. we're going to wake up in the morning and own the day. i think it's actually impossible for them to get on offense for a while. they should accept that. take it one by one. they might say we're going to have two press conferences. the first one in the morning is going to be on benghazi. we're going to exhaust that. later at 2:00 we'll come back and separate that. it might have been a good strategy for two hours but not a good one going forward. >> here's what i heard. president obama made some comments he addressed, benghazi and the irs and ap. >> right. >> three times i heard not what happened, what i heard was let's make sure it doesn't happen again. >> why would rerely on none -- even one would be bad enough. they're not going to happen again because he's on top of it? this happened under his supposed watchful eye. i don't think anybody can rely on him with some degree of certainty or integrity. look at the head of his justice department who doesn't know anything who might be able to tell us a thing or two after he's gone. >> by the way, we cut that i don't know thing off. it could have gone on for 15 minutes. he testified for a long time. >> we lernd a very important message or lesson from eric holder, it's okay to be stupid. it really is. you cannot be arrested for being dumb. if that were the case, the entire msnbc montage would be on death row. it's legal. the story is huge and i'll tell you why. the irs canceled their softball game with john cornin's office. when you cancel your softball game, that's a big deal. that's golden. do you know what the name of the irs's team is? the thugs. acting commissioner resigns. you know what that's sfliek when you're at a restaurant and you say, you know what, i'm out of here as they're throwing you out. oh, no, no, no, i'm leaving. saying you're dumping a girlfriend who you've never dated. you hear she's going to dump you. >> i'm breaking up with you. >> you can't break up with me, i'm breaking up with you. you have to make that clear. >> are you qualified to make another -- >> yes. i was marginalized because of my height. if you look at what progressives can do. progressives are allowed to get away with anything. what they end up doing is that same thing that right wingers never would do. i liken a progressive to the matt damon character in "the departed." he became a cop so he could commit the most heinous crimes. that's what you're seeing right now. you're seeing incredibly heinous crimes that could never have been done by a republican but a progressive can do it all the time. >> i wouldn't assume that's going to be the case. did anybody notice that few questions have been about the ap reporters and one of the questions is that it is a story having to do to the authority. it was about a mission that was taken place in yemen. i think the press wants to stay away from that even though it directly goes to them. >> let's stay away from that. >> let's stay on irs and let's stay on benghazi. steven miller gets to resign. eric holder promised to look into it. maybe even lois learner who herself claimed to know this was going on. >> why does she still have her job though? this is not just a moral, ethical obligation that they have to the american people that they violated. they need to go to jail. bad people go to jail. when you cheat and steal from people, they go jail. you take information from people, that's got to shock you, bob, amongst some of the -- >> it does shock me. we're trying to figure out what law you -- >> i've got this one. they leaked proprietary information from 503c 3s and 4s. they leak the that to their opposition. >> so you charge them with conspiracy to -- >> what do you charge them with? >> i think there's also a law of incompetence that was broken here. steve miller is the acting commissioner of the irs. i think the white house would have preferred he would have gone quietly in the night. he's going to testify tomorrow. we're going to hopefully learn some more. but he was already going to leave. last night if you watched the press's statement you would have thought, oh, well, he took some action. they kicked that guy right out of there. he was already leaving. let me tell you another thing that bothers me. the chief of staff at the treasury department, named mark patterson, he worked for geithner and now for lew. apparently they've known for months that this was coming. it is inconscionable that they allowed the president of the united states to go out there and fake outrage months later and then to say that he heard about it through press reports. this is a crisis in confidence in government and that is the problem. that's where you get that link. so today they announce that they're going to have a replacement for the irs commissioner. because they knew that steve miller had been planning to leave all along at the beginning of next month you would think that they had a replacement in mind, right, because that's what you've got to do with government. but today they announced dan warfol could be a great guy. is he qualified? i don't know. he is an inside the white house kind of guy. if this is a kirn about political influence at the i.r.s., do you really want to collect the white house that directly. >> put out fire with fire. greg warfull, more like warless. this is not what the irs needs. they need an objective person to clean house. they're bringing someone who works in the house and has everything to gain. >> it goes beyond that. of all of these stories, the one thing that hits home for the people are taxes and the irs. this kind of story has i think some long legs until they get to the bottom of exactly who, what, where, why, when. that's why you need to get it out. benghazi i don't think will. i certainly don't think the a.p. story will. >> when you start to hear from these groups now coming forward saying, well, yeah. a slide, these are the types of questions they asked me. last night on the o'reilly factor said they were actually asked to give a list of the books that they tred. if it was a guy in cincinnati holding up a few applications, they might be able to sweep it under the rug. abolish the i irs. >> fair tax across the board. no need for the irs except for implementing obama care. >> which should be a disaster. >> i don't do metaphors but check out the headline. they have him covered. wouldn't it be nice if he had them covered the way they have him covered. the president also addressed the benghazi scandal. they released e-mails. that debate next. first, here's jay leno, last night. this week marks the 40th anniversary of the watergate hearings. for those of you to remember, back then they had an enemy. they've used the irs to harass people they don't like. thank god those daze days are gone forever. thank god. can you imagine?days are gone forever. thank god. can you imagine?days are gone forever. thank god. can you imagine?days are gone forever. thank god. can you imagine?days are gone forever. thank god. can you imagine?