♪ >> kimberly: right to breaking news out of italy today. amanda knox, a free woman tonight after an italian appeals court has thrown out her murder conviction. the 24-year-old has been in prison for four years and sentenced to 26 years originally for the brutal death of student meredith kercher with her roommate in perugia. interesting story. we have sound coming out of the courtroom in italy today. let's take a listen. >> to reimburse all the expenses. and be the defendant of the charges "a," "b," "c" and "d." as the evidence is not reliable. [ inaudible ] support orders immediate release of amanda and raffaele sollecito. >> kimberly: so amanda knox free at last. four years. greg, do you think justice was served? >> greg: i don't know. when i was watching that, i thought she was guilty because i don't understand italian. i thought she was oh, she is obviously going to jail. i realized no, she's not going to jail. totally confused. here is the thing. something happened. nobody knows what actually happen and i don't know if there is an innocent party of this but the prosecution employed a strategy of satanic ritual orgy. that never works. think about the mcmartin preschool case. when a prosecution introduces satanic rituals it's almost completely made up and ridiculous and doesn't work. >> kimberly: a bad prosecution theory to convict and then win on appeal. >> greg: yes. >> kimberly: she is free because of that. what do you think? >> eric: kim, you can probably help us more. what we read or heard is the italian courts are much more lenient. she got an appeal after being convicted. she got 26 years. the appeal was heard. would it happen here in america? >> kimberly: they have a different system than we do. here, she was entitled to have immediate appeal. it worked to her advantage because they got new dna testing and forensic that cast doubt on dna on the knife and bra. that was part of the crucial evidence that they linked her to the crime scene. she maintained in one different version she was innocent and wasn't present. she also did accuse someone else of committing the crime. the conviction stands for slappeder she had three years for that and she got credit to time serve which had is system to our system, a fine was assessed. >> greg: she made up a lot of stuff. right? isn't that a problem here? >> eric: her footprint in blood was found. her shoe based on the footprint in blood. >> bob: let me understand one thing greg was talking about. this story had a lot of drugs and you called satanic ritual. it may have been my lifestyle at one point there was a lot of stuff that -- i won't say titillating. >> greg: right. >> bob: i think that caught the imagination of the italia italians. a lot of stories around here. you can't get a change of venue. you have a story. it's about drugs and alcohol and knives. i'm not sure she did get a fair trial. i don't know if she did or did not do it. the decision has been made. but one of those italian stories that captures imagination of people. so many aspects to it. >> dana: one of the things i think that is interesting about her. we will hear from her, she was immediately release and probably on her way back here. she maintains the innocence the entire time. although, she had varying stories. we should wait until we hear from her. this has to be every parent's nightmare. if you send your child overseas to attend an interesting university where they have an opportunity to be on their own for the first time. if there is drugs involved, it has to be concerned. this is what could happen. different places have different rules she paid the price for four years. interesting to hear from her tomorrow. >> kimberly: assuming she is innocent, with their finding of not guilty on the charges. >> greg: i'm not sure spending two years in italian women's prison would be a nightmare for me. >> kimberly: you would like it. >> eric: the problem is -- i don't know if it's a problem or the way society is. she will fly back, maybe or may not be one of the nbc jets. who knows. go through a whirlwind of being booked on every show you can think of. who is going to get the first interview and the second one. what is she going to say? probably do a book and maybe a movie. a wealthy person. >> bob: you know, i don't know. a lot of partying and drinking and drugging. she goes to jail for four years. i did the same thing and i went to work for jimmy carter four years is there justice in the world? >> kimberly: hope for everyone. now you sit here. amazing. >> greg: who is going to play her? ann athoway? >> dana: took my joke. >> kimberly: stole it. we sentence you italian style, too. now we move on to 2012 because as usual, no drama missed this week, this weekend. a lot of stuff for rick perry. get one hit after the next. he can't get a break with the immigration and security. we have a scandal that the "washington post" is reporting on. people with different opinions on it. now the tide is turning. some coming to support rick perry saying it shouldn't be taken with regard that it is. >> dana: one thing him leading up to the race, as soon as you get in, you're a front-runner. remember the first debates and everyone attacked him? you don't get it from the fellow candidates. you get it from the media as well. i dealing with different media over the years. the "washington post" have a story over the weekend, quic quickly about a ranch, family that he had dealings with and inappropriate and offensive word, "n" word about black people. painted on the rock but then questions if it was painted over, over time. 24 anonymous sources in the "washington post" story. i remember when i was press secretary at the white house, there was a big thing about the big newspapers weren't going to use anonymous stories anymore. you have to work hard to get 24 anonymous sources. >> bob: this is a hunting ranch. his father leased it for 43-acre ranch. >> kimberly: in '83. >> eric: he took over the lease and put his name on it in 2006 as governor. he had taken number of people over there. the story had been his father painted over the offensive word. people down there with him as governor report and some on the record now they did see the name was still there. one of two conclusions. either they're not telling the truth or he is not telling the truth. either event will get him in a lot of trouble. this is going to keep going. >> dana: i don't think it gets him in trouble. herman cain i think made the wrong decision speaking before he knew the whole story. now they are trying to back-track it. he has run for governor four times in texas and no one ever come up with it? all of a sudden 24 anonymous sources. the conservative, including rush limbaugh one of the largest radio audience -- >> kimberly: a lot to say about it. >> dana: said it was wrong and a smear. does anyone believe perry thinks that way? >> bob: but you have to ask why the people who are his friends and supporter saying it was there? >> dana: maybe it was there. >> bob: if it was there and taking people to hunt that deserves criticism. >> greg: what about the timeline? when was the rock painted or turned over? just look at his tenture. he has appointed more minorities in the office of any governor in history. his enemies, adversaries, some are black saying there is not a racist bone in his body. if the point of releasing the story is to say this guy is a racist, it's wrong. >> dana: defended by the white house today. >> eric: i'm saying we have to point out. this isn't his ranch. this is a lease his father was on wyoming his. according to mr. perry's camp or mr. perry directly he said when he was made aware of it, saw it, he told his father about it. the father painted over it and some point turned it over. what more do you want him to do? >> bob: he did say. that i'm not accusing him of being racist. we said it happened in '83. his name was on the lease in 2006. >> eric: the rock wasn't there -- >> bob: but people who have been there with perry in the 2000s contend the rock and the word was there. somebody is not telling the truth. >> dana: if reminds me of the "washington post" went after bob mcdonald. now governor of virginia. when he was graduate student. appropriate. and they beat that horse to death in the "washington post." there was also the current candidate for governor in virginia. help me with his name. governor george allen, running for -- now he is running for senate again. the "washington post" was risking degrading further their reputation. >> bob: don't you think if he saw the sign and knew it, it was inappropriate to take people there? >> eric: you are making a leap, though. >> bob: if he saw it don't you think it's inappropriate. >> dana: what if it was painted over? >> bob: they're saying it wasn't. >> dana: cheap shots happen in politics. we have to respond to cheap shot. >> bob: no cheap shot about that word. >> greg: if this was a democrat, is this a story? >> bob: of course. >> kimberly: if they are going to run this story, powerful story and statement and accusation of racism against a man running for president, sitting governor, show us a photo. let's see the evidence. >> bob: all right. get people on the record who said they went there. then he is in some trouble. i don't want him to be in trouble. i want him to be around. he's good for us. >> kimberly: you like him. you want him to win and go obama, right? >> bob: yes. >> kimberly: i figured that out. coming up, mass protest on wall street continue. new demonstrations breaking out across the country. we will talk about that next on "the five." don't forget to e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. ♪ ♪ diabetes testing? it's all the same. nothing changes. then try this. freestyle lite® blood glucose test strip. sure, but it's not gonna-- [beep] wow. yep, that's the patented freestyle zipwik™ design. did it just-- [both] target the blood? yeah, drew it right in. the test starts fast. you need just a third the blood of one touch.® that is different. so freestyle lite test strips make testing... easy? 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maybe they'd ask mom why she would bring her kids to a protest? leonard described it as random, aggressive. antipolice bias that set the stage for future protest against police brutality. anything for the cause, right natasha? where is it going? the tea partiers were mocked mercilessly by the media. but they followed the law and they stood on principle. sometimes wearing silly hats. the new protesters prefer confrontation and ultimately chaos. two groups of protesters. one thinks, the other stinks. guess who the media likes most? i love that. >> kimberly: you like it, right? >> bob: that was a fair and balanced view right there. >> greg: it was, bob. bob, let me ask you this because you're already talking do you thi shutting down a bridge wins converts, especially when people who use the bridges aren't rich people? >> bob: the police made it a national story they didn't have to make it. now you will get more people protesting. in fact, i'm going down tomorrow. >> kimberly: good luck. >> dana: the police didn't make at it story. they've been trying to get attention from it. one thing that happened over the weekend on twitter is people complaining that it took so long for media to cover the story. >> eric: what story is it? capitalism is bad? corporations are bad? >> bob: that is one of the problems. i don't have a unifying message. >> greg: they don't have a principle. all they want to do is take. take, take, take. >> bob: the ribas approximatelthe principle is the not in jail. >> eric: not one of the kids know that story. they're protesting the establishment. like anarchists, row zan bar, michael moore, george soros out there. they call it corporate personhood. it's against anything that has to do with a corporation. meanwhile, guess who donated more to obama than any other candidate in the history of presidential elections? the corporate, the wall street. do they know that? >> bob: they did it because they knew he was winning. that's why they're contributing to republicans right now. are you kidding me? you don't get sadness from me about the corporations. >> eric: do you think they're protesting and holding up stupid signs realize the hero barack obama has taken more money than any other candidate in history of candidates? >> greg: also, here is the thing. it puts president obama in a bind. if he loses america, and he could lose his base. >> kimberly: good position. advise him to stay clear of i it. the police, it's not true. out they can't allow them to occupy the brooklyn bridge and be lawless? you have to step in and do something about it. it. >> bob: speaking of the funny signs. cleaned up the tea party sig signs. >> dana: someone tweeted me that it's about taking the government back. i thought well, from whom? from what >> to give to what? >> greg: they agree with everything that obama is doing. they won't to tax the rich and redistribute. >> eric: we're hearing now, rosanne barr over the weekend. michael moore now. george soros sympathizes with the protest. sympathizes with any corporation's that have to pay more than other corporations. the bottom line, corporate america, capitalism is what america was founded on. these kids are the opposite. thereby, say it with me. socialists. marxist, communists. >> bob: what do you call the koch brothers who are now under investigation for doing business with iran during the war? who had been bribing companies overseas? six or seven investigations going on and we don't cover it. >> eric: they're contributor to conservative causes. >> greg: i want to go to rosanne. she was on something called russia today. if you've seen this network, it's hilarious. vividly anti-american network you can find. filmed from someone's basement. expressing solidarity with the protesters and how she fent about the bankers. >> i first would allow the guilty bankers the ability to pay back anything over $100 million personal wealth. i believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. if they are different from that amount go to reeducation camp and then if that doesn't help, be beheaded. >> greg: beheaded. if you look at conservative with the tea party they look at the american resolution as the bottle. the left looks to the french revolution. off with their heads! they're your people. why are they violent? >> bob: why say they're my people? rosanne is a fool. i'm not looking for their heads locked up. asking for justice. justice is some of the bankers should be in jail. people are out of their houses because of them. >> greg: agree with you if you said member of the government should to jail over it. >> bob: i agree with that. the investigation reported for years, on the koch brothers and -- >> eric: do you know who gave more money to the wall street fat tax that you are calling out here? 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>> bob: they don't and i don't know that they can. i don't think they'll win florida. it used to be florida and ohio are the keys. florida goes republican because i can't imagine someone not picking rubio as vice president candidate. the rough of the south has -- rest of the south has gone to obama. i can't imagine he won't do well except for places they need, north carolina and virginia, which they won last time. they are now more democratic than in 2008. he has to win in missouri. the big question is not ohio. it's wisconsin and michigan. those two industrial states with high unemployment. pennsylvania is the republican talk about it, democratic. then you have to move west and go places traditionally are republican. the states they look at. colorado. new mexico and arizona had not been john mccain that he had last time and probably would have won it. you have to hold on to the specific west. it's a harder course than before. it's doable and doable without ohio but not much room for error. >> dana: they were counting on demographic changes that are happening all across the country; in particular, in the west. meaning, basically that the hispanics, number of hispanics is rising in the states. do you think like colorado would get them over the finish line and state like that? >> kimberly: they have to go for it. the hispanic vote is important and integral for them with the success and moving forward for 2012. they can't count on it. there has been defections from the hispanic party in terms of who they want to support. core value of the hispanic, latino population, be it catholic, the family values oriented. the majority of people i know hispanic descent like myself are conservative and support principals of the g.o.p. >> dana: they want jobs. >> kimberly: they want jobs and unemployment is killing them. they'll hold obama accountable. >> dana: you have graphics to mention. >> eric: i hate to hold them up but there have been a handful of states on both sides called reliably red and reliably blue. meaning the last five presidential elections have gone the same direction. the good news, there are 242 electoral votes. state like florida would put them over the hump or ohio or maybe ohio a pennsylvania. those type of things. i don't know that he needs to go so far out west. >> dana: one thing outside demographics before i get to greg on messaging. outside of the demographics they're thinking of the national security. winning message. nothing gets the buttons pushed like dick cheney. listen to what he said yesterday. >> the obama administration has clearly reached a point where they have agreed they need to be tough and aggressive in defending the nation and using some of the same techniques that the bush administration did. they need to say go back and reconsider. some of the criticisms they offered about our policies. over the years, past years. >> the thing i'm waiting for is for the administration to go back and correct something they said two years ago when they criticized us for, "overreacting" to the events of 9/11. >> dana: well, it didn't take the white house long including the president himself to respond today to something i find incredible. >> back in july, leon panetta said the strategic defeat of al-qaeda was within reach. this week we approach the tenth anniversary of invasion of afghanian. how close are we to the strategic defeat? >> i think that we have done more in the last couple of years than any time in the last ten years. >> dana: all right, greg. to me, that is a stretch. we're all on the same team here. the intelligence community that did it from a messaging stand point, do you think national security works or do you have something in mind? >> greg: first on the cheney thing, obama needs to acknowledge he has evolved. all the things he thought were bad before, now he's using - he is avoiding the court proceeding and waterboarding by blowing people up. i'm for that, too. that is kind of interesting. the thing is obama has every reason to make the point are you safer now than you were five year ago or four years ago? he has the results. people are dropping like flies. he should capitalize on that and clearly one of the only successes he has. >> kimberly: i applaud him in this area. strong. inconsistent wanting to close gitmo and prosecute c.i.a. interrogators and hold great americans accountable saying they wrote mem rows that were inconsistent and violating the law. why not acknowledge his predecessor. >> dana: does this help him? >> bob: this is not a national security election. it's domestic, economic election. i never thought bin laden's death would give him votes. i don't think this will. before obama apologized to cheney, cheney should apologize to the american people for sending us to iraq. levering that aside, the fact is we go back to this is a domestic election. i don't think this is going to carry the weight that much. this has been a weakness to prop up. >> eric: i know we have to go. i think i said mr. obama shouldn't take a victory lap. he should thank mr. bush. i'm sure i'm the only one to say that. why aren't you saying that? >> bob: you were wrong. >> kimberly: pat him on the back. >> dana: we have to go. we have more after this break. more things for you in the break. ♪ ♪ let me tell you about a very important phone call i made. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you from paying up to thousands of dollars... out of your own pocket. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans... exclusively endorsed by aarp. when you call now, you'll get this free information kit... with all you need to enroll. put their trust in aarp medicare supplement insurance. plus you'll get this free guide to understanding medicare. the prices are competitive. i can keep my own doctor. and i don't need a referral to see a specialist. call now to get a free information kit. plus you'll get this free guide to understanding medicare. and the advantages don't end there. choose from a range of medicare supplement plans... that are all competitively priced. we have a plan for almost everyone, so you can find one that fits your needs and budget. with all medicare supplement plans, there are virtually no claim forms to fill out. plus you can keep your own doctor and hospital that accepts medicare. and best of all, these plans are... the only medicare supplement plans endorsed by aarp. when they told me these plans were endorsed by aarp... i had only one thing to say... sign me up. call the number on your screen now... and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan. you'll get this free information kit... and guide to understanding medicare, to help you choose the plan that's right for you. as with all medicare supplement plans, you can keep your own doctor and hospital that accepts medicare, get help paying for what medicare doesn't... and save up to thousands of dollars. call this toll-free number now. i'm bret baier in washington. we'll have an update on operation fast and furious tonight on "special report." william la jeunesse who has been following the story for weeks has new information and reports tonight from here in our d.c. bureau. also this evening, wendell goler on president obama's latest challenge to congress. to pass what he calls his jobs bill. what others term another stimulus package. mike emanuel has the latest news on the 2012 campaign. herman cain wins another straw poll. and the call continues for new jersey governor chris christie to get in the race. brit hume has analysis on what christie should consider before making up his mind. in perugia, italy, amanda knox has been acquited of murder. we have a live report from amy kellogg in grapevine, celebrity rosanne barr who says she is running for president has harsh word for banking industry. "special report" starts at 6:00. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back to "the five." we discussed this briefly on friday but over the weekend there has been much debate over the constitutionality of the terrorist anwar al-awlaki death in yemen in op-ed, presidential hopeful ron paul blasted a killing saying it violates principles. but john yew ez is it destroys paul's argument. dana, ron paul saying we shouldn't be allowed to kill americans without due process. but john yew -- do you know him? >> dana: i do know him. it had to answer questions about him. the department of justice, it's interesting that some on the left trying to help president obama using john yew own argument to help president obama. what he is saying is that if there is an enemy combatant, trying to kill americans or planning to kill americans and you know that and the administration has gone through their own due process. whatever it involved with the state department and national security council last year, they decided that this man was an enemy combat tant and he could be targeted for killing. yoo wins on the merit. >> eric: ron paul, in the op-ed he writes that al-awlaki was despicable person and recruited and inspired others to kill americans through terrorist acts. >> kimberly: this is simple to me. this is not asas face on u.s. citizen. this is not political in process. he has taken up arms against the united states and terrorist acts. you don't sit there to wait for him to accomplish something else and bring him in with water and nice lawyer for criminal court system. it's not due process at this point. if you are at war and they're shooting at you, you say let me talk to a lawyer, let me wait. no, you fight back and respond mediately. >> greg: if you have cockroaches in your house. you have two options. get the sprayer in, and kill cockroachs. or you can catch them, make a shoe box courtroom and bring the cockroach in there and say what you're doing is wrong. >> kimberly: roach motel. >> greg: the cockroach doesn't understand that, the way the terrorist doesn't. he doesn't believe in the court system. treat them like cockroach and kill them all. >> bob: that was interesting way to put it. >> kimberly: fogger for the predator drone. >> bob: i'd like to say a couple of things. anything mr. yoo says is suspect. her chewed and used the legal process to justify illegality and torture. -- wait. >> eric: ron paul -- >> bob: when you say we believe. no, the juries are supposed to believe. not you, john yoo. we the jury. >> kimberly: commander-in-chief. >> bob: no. no, no no. ron paul is out of his minds in a lot of ways but in this, if we think we have american citizen that has done these things if we can arrest him, fine. bring him back and put him on trial. the idea you somehow say president of the united states decides who he wants to kill as american citizen is dangerous. especially with yoo, a joke. >> kimberly: turn himself in and come and face court of law. no, he is too busy planning and plotting, committing acts of terror against the united states. >> greg: citizenship does not protect a bank robber being shot committing a crime. >> eric: right, that is a great analogy. cops are called. armed robbery is going on down the street. hold on, let me go get an arrest warrant? no. picks up a gun, he is going to shoot you. dana, we're not talking about holding up a 7-eleven or drive-by shooting. talking about mastermind behind 3,000 innocent americans. hundreds of others -- >> dana: what is the difference between him and bin laden? >> kimberly: is that justified? >> bob: bin laden wasn't united states citizen. >> dana: right. i have to believe that president obama is a constitutional lawyer and commander-in-chief took this very seriously. when he signed the order he thought through these things and gone through with his lawyers, national security council lawyers and others. i don't think he would have made the decision likely. i think it was right make. >> bob: i'm sorry this guy wasn't killed. i wish he had been killed. extraordinary circumstances. but saying setti a precedent -- >> eric: one was killed. >> kimberly: the other was not. >> bob: i'm saying as prescription approximately we -- as a principle, we should be careful. >> eric: the order was signed in 2010. ron paul, he knew about it for a year. >> bob: but it reduces -- there is a tease. >> kimberly: more to come. >> eric: supreme court justices back to work and we talk about the major issues and major cases they'll be tackling. plus, i won the first bet. who won friday's bet? bob or me? i certainly hope you guys will decide. more in "the five" ahead. ♪ ♪ blan >> bob: this is the, almost the last block because i always get the last block because it's me. first monday of october. which means the supreme court are back in session, so there are landmark cases to be heard from healthcare reform to camera in courtroom and gps tracking system. another problem, clarence thomas is under investigation for $700,000 income he did not report from his wife. he has ethics problems. he calls herself member of the tea party. tea party says healthcare reform is a big issue. he should recuse himself, shouldn't he? >> bob: why do you hate clarence thomas? >> kimberly: you don't like him. >> greg: because he's a conservative black man? >> bob: answer the question for me. if he considers himself ambassador -- >> greg: i can't answer that. >> bob: go ahead. when will reform come out? >> dana: the supreme court has to decide whether to hear it before next year. the decision of the individual mandate of obamacare are decided at some point. the questions will be do the justices take it up? if they do, they will hear it sometime this year and next june in the middle of the presidential race. that's when it will come out. >> kimberly: i don't like putting the supreme court in this position. >> dana: but if we're -- >> bob: put them in position to elect a president. what is wrong with -- >> dana: that was a great decision. >> bob: sure it was. >> dana: by the way. >> bob: that wasn't an accident at all. >> dana: i think they will take it up, because the lower courts, there is enough uncertainty. it's stalling out everything in america. >> bob: you're right. they will. move on to -- >> kimberly: take it up and 5-4. >> bob: explain the gps warrant thing to us. >> kimberly: gps warrant, being a former prosecutor you would think i say load them up and track them. but i think it has to be limited in scope. you can't just put tracker on someone. it works like ankle bracelet. they paut device on a car and they're able to track and discover your whereabouts, where you're going, who you are meeting with. locator. >> greg: i'll tell you why it's good. >> bob: not good for me. >> greg: good for the environment. in the old days when the copped had to trail a criminal they drive around. two cars. now with the gps tracker you don't have to track -- good for the environment. >> eric: i agree with greg. carbon foot print -- >> kimberly: it means you have to have warrants. that is what the argument is. they're warrantless searches, invasive and intrusive. they are. >> eric: tracking. >> kimberly: i understand that. put it before a judge, get it signed off on. otherwise -- >> bob: can a suspicious wife -- >> eric: can wife petition court to find out whereabouts of a husband? >> greg: i told you earlier that was never going to happen. >> bob: what about cameras in courtrooms? >> eric: fantastic. open it up. transparency across the board. i love it. i'm a voyeur. i like to watch courtroom drama. >> dana: i'm traditionalist. i like no camera in courtroom. it forces reporters to be more thoughtful and analytical doing reporting. >> greg: two feelings. one, it puts sketch artist out of business, that is tragic. maybe the supreme court justices take better care of their appearances. >> kimberly: it's fascinating and educational. we should have transparency and open door to criminal system. want to hear what justices say and educate people about the system of justice so they have a greater appreciation for it. and understand it. >> bob: those are good arguments but i'm glad they didn't have camera in the courtroom when i was before a judge, because my mother would have found out. >> dana: how did the sketch stern out? >> bob: it didn't. one last thing because it gets eric -- >> eric: this is tough. >> bob: supporting kids whose parents brought them here. >> eric: yeah. illegals come over with kids. not the ones that are -- not the children born here but they come over with kids. they're caught. the parents have to go back. sorry, they go back. if you want to pick a date like if they're under 18, they can stay. what kid wants to stay if their parents -- the parents have to go back. unequivocally in my opinion there are some that say well, if they spent a certain amount of time here, they can stay. send parents back. >> bob: you are punishing children for something the parents did. the kids should stay as long as they want and get all the help they should get. you know who should pay for it? you and me and everybody at the table. >> eric: we are. >> greg: thank you for making the decision for me. >> bob: you're welcome. >> eric: being lenient is a magnet. >> bob: we have to get out of here. coming up, the moment you've been waiting for. the results of eric and my bet on friday. don't want to miss this. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] welcome to transamerica. where together, we're transforming tomorrow. your husband put this all together when emma was born. he was an amazing man. this is for you. it's all paid off. ♪ and this is for emma. so where do you think she'll go? anywre she wants. [ male announcer ] we're making people a more secure tomorrow. what can we make with you? transamerica. transform tomorrow. >> kimberly: all right, bobby. you have results to share with us, right? about the big bet? >> yes, i do. >> bob: let me explain, i said last week there were four state where whites were minority population. eric said it was wrong. we cited california. some of our brainy people around here said 57%. well, as it turns out, complicated subject. i dealt with this all my life but i won this bet because there is white and mixed white. white people who are married to other ethnic groups are not counted as white people in the state. therefore, california in 2000 was 49% white. it's now probably 44% white. that is how it was done. >> eric: the problem is -- >> bob: show everybody that. 'obama, yes we did." >> kimberly: he tucked it in to make it attractive. >> i'm wearing this under protest. bob used wikipedia for his source. >> bob: i was right. >> greg: it says we did. it says it screwed up our country. >> eric: we did. >> bob: let me try this. try to explain. >> kimberly: you need a pirate shirt. >> eric: if there are 37 million people in california per census, 21 million of them checked white on the census form, it sounds like a majority to me. >> kimberly: okay, look at this. we have this shot here. the problem is, if it includes hispanics. i'm the problem here. i'm half his panic, half puerto rico. do i mark down caucasian white or -- >> eric: if they had 1,000 prisoners -- >> bob: if they said were you arrested, and they said no, wouldn't they dill be criminals? you lost that. i was not going to have him wear i but he did it. give him credit. >> kimberly: wall street protest. thank you for watching us, everybody. happy to be on. thank you, everybody. ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. we have new informati