Their job and refused to be there for the votes. On the president s nominees for health and Human Services and the treasury secretary. In response, the republicans changed the rules. They approved the president s pick without a single democrat by pushing forward a new rule. Joining us now with her on this, karl rove, former chiefs chief of staff and austan goolsbee, a former top advisor to president obama. First, we go to ed henry come alive on capitol hill tonight with the latest at what is going on there. Boy, what a scene. Ed. Trickle republican senators today came out against betsy devos, imperiling her nomination to be nomination secretary. Of President Trump can hold republicans, he will get most of his cabinet. He has harry reid to thank for that because remember, he changed Senate President so that you only need 51 votes instead of 60 votes to get nominations through. He did that to help president obama. Now, it is helping President Trump, which is by chuck schumer, the new Senate Democratic leader, may have miscalculated with this scorched earth strategy, trying to block all of the trump nominees. Schumers Democratic Base may end up getting frustrated that for all the talk of stopping these nominations, many of them are going through, including Rex Tillerson, the new secretary of state. He is about to be sworn in at the white house, just in the next few moments by President Trump himself. Most of these nominees getting through while the schumer strategy is, because only stiffened republicans vines, like that of senator orrin hatch. Listen. My colleagues took the unprecedented step of boycotting a finance Committee Vote on nominations. Long story short, we took some unprecedented actions today due to the unprecedented obstruction on the part of our colleagues. The point is that Democratic Leaders are making a lot of noise about stopping the trump cabinet but here is the dos for the president. You look at this list of Ten Senate Democrats who are facing reelection in 2018 and states that were carried by donald trump. Five of those states he carried by double digits, states like west virginia. So, the question moving forward is going to be not just with the cabinet, but with the First Supreme Court peck. Even if democrats filibuster, how many of these democrats who are going to have to face the electorate and two years are going to go along with the filibuster, martha . Martha it is always about the next election. Ed, thank you very much. Here now, karl rove, former chief of staff to president george w. Bush. And austan goolsbee, former top advisor to president obama and university of chicago pros faster. Good to see both of you here today. For folks who are, i want to play one of the heads of the day. Al franken and senator john horn and going after. I said that i intended that i had intended to undermine the nominees character and integrity. Senator cruz misrepresented what happened. So, i would like to take this opportunity to set the record straight. I object to the senator disparaging a fellow member of the committee here in his absence. I would think that he should be here. Secondly, he disparaged me. Martha the good senators from minnesota, they are, who has turned out to be basically the chief attack dog, it looks like, karl, for the job sessions nomination. What you make of all of this . Senators are entitled to say whatever they want to say, as long as they dont fade as a Committee Hearing or the floor of the senate. The rules require a certain amount of decorum. You can say ugly things about any member of the senate on it a cable news show or a speech, but in the confines of the Committee Room and in the confines of the senate, the senate rules require stability and do not allow for personal attacks on a fellow member. Senator franken was out of line, maybe he didnt like what senator cruz had said to him off of the floor and out of the Committee Hearing. Look, i have read plenty of ugly comments by senator franken and in interviews over the years where he has been disparaging of his fellow colleagues and his fellow senators but he did it outside the confines of the senate floor and the senate committee. He was entitled to smear them, say ugly things about them. He is not entitled to state and the committee. Martha is like school. You cant do it in a classroom but on the playground, all that off. Austan, the fact of the wheels are starting to turn and they changed a roll today to make them turn, and because of the electoral situation that ed henry pointed out about the risk that a lot of the senator s face in their own states, many of which lean towards trump or at least cause them a little bit of a scare, it could be a lotto sound and theory on their side and signifying nothing on their end. I think that is fair. I thought to ed was insightful. That is always going to be the issue, people who feel like they are going to be up for election and how will people react. The only thing i will say his letter, this is clearly a trend, i dont know it it started in 2009, and probably even before that. There was some extended battles and holds in the Bush Administration, then, there were some and the Obama Administration. We have gotten into this, lets call it the unprecedented dynamic, that its a game of cat and mouse, we are going to do something that has never been done, oh, yeah, then, we are going to do something that has never been done. They held up Merrick Garland longer than a Supreme Court justice was ever held up. Then, the Obama Administration got rid of the filibuster for nonSupreme Court nominees. Now, they were out having done that. That said, i do think it is relevant. In the Bush Administration and in the Obama Administration. They put Forward Nominees who had cleared their fbi background checks, who had submitted all of their financial disclosures, and there wasnt any question about their testimony, whether it was true or false. In this case, that is not true. Even though they are likely going to still get through, it is perfectly legitimate for democrats to be saying, wait a minute, dont ram this down our throats, they havent turned in their documents yet. Martha you touched on something, people, there is a level discussed with the scope that is so high. They listen to the tech for attack, we remember how much president obama talked about obstruction, people look at this and they say, an outcome of the shoe is on the other foot. I think that it would really behoove some of these individuals to come forward and say, we will work together. Looked, the accusations are going left and right about people not turning in their paperwork. The paperwork is, every time they answer a set of questions, they send more questions. Then, when they answer those, they answer more. Come to an end. Martha is that really what is happening . That is the issue with congressman price and with steve mnuchin. Look, i love the fact remember, there were lots of attempts during the bush years to obstruct our nominees to the appellate court. One of the people who was obstructing them, who tried to lead a filibuster against the nomination of john roberts as chief justice was none other than young senator from illinois, barack obama. So, i like how the democrats are saying, we have never we have been so mistreated. They have been at this for a while. Look, this isnt the first time. Martha there is a girl up on both sides effort, that people could get behind here. You look at people not showing up, if they had questions and they wanted to keep sending more paperwork, just come to the hearing and asked them a question in front of the American People and lets get this moving. Vote up or down. But martha, hold on. They ask to have more time to ask those questions. The reason they sent more questions was because there are accusations and several of these cases that the answers given by the nominees were either plagiarized or false. No, no, no. Martha we have to go to the next segment, guys. If they answered the questions, they just dont like the answers. Martha thank you very much. Good to see you guys, as always. Still ahead tonight, 24 hours after his President Trump annoud his Supreme Court pick, the claws are already out. They are here to defend that comment against the former law clerk, judge gorsuch, coming up next. Betsy devos future is very modern question. Two republican senators are the first in their own party to say no to a donald trump pig. We will tell you why the uncertainty surrounds the president s pick and it could lead to a historic conclusion. I have 100 confidence that she will be the next secretary of education. I think that games are being if you can, go nuclear. That would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was caught up in the web. So, i would say, it is up to mitch. I would say, go for it. Martha that was President Trump not pulling any punches when it comes to getting his Supreme Court pick on the bench. Calling on g. O. P. Leaders to do whatever necessary to confirm judge neil gorsuch even if they have to implement the nuclear option. Many on the left, meanwhile, Going Nuclear themselves with the reaction that some critics have called over the this point. Take a look. He has come down against employees rights, clean air, clean water, food safety, safety and medicine at the rest, if you care about that for your children. He is not your guy. This is not a normal consideration. This is a siege that was stolen from the former president , obama, that has never been done in u. S. History before, to let this become normal just invites a complete partisan polarization of the court from here to eternity. To speak of court will be tried in ways that few courts have been tested. Because again, this administration seems to have little regard for the rule of law. Martha joining me now, matt l1, judge gorsuchs former law clerk who also served as a clerk to antonin scalia. The Vice President of Legal Process for the center for american progress. Welcome. Great to have both of you here today. Obviously, this is going to be the fact that this man, this judge is someone who pretty much everyone expected was very high on the list. I dont know why it comes as a big shock. Michelle. I think it is important to start this conversation with where we were march 2016. President obama put forth a moderate pick, Merrick Garland, who was 64 at the time. He was not the favorite of progressives. And they were republicans on the senate side who didnt have the decency to even meet with him. It was unprecedented. He couldnt even receive a hearing. So, when you think about that moment, you had senior statesmen like john mccain and others like ted cruz, and borough from north carolina, who said that they would block a hillary cap clinton nominee for four years. Martha we know the reason behind that. I know you disagree with that. But it was obviously, a very unexpected situation when Justice Antonin Scalia died. Very unexpected and sudden. It was also within the year that an election was going on and the feeling was that that was inappropriate, that it was too late in the tenure for the president to be picking someone and going through the process. So, matt, let me ask you. As an attorney, do you agree with that . I cant speak to what happened last year with judge garland but i do know that the seat in the Supreme Court cant stay open forever. The president s won an election and he has a nominee that he submitted to the senate. We all know that nominee is extraordinarily wellqualified. I dont think anyone is disputing that, has a long record of fairness and independence as a judge. I think the senate should take it up and consider him on his marriage. Martha what did you think when you heard nancy pelosi and the things that she said about judge gorsuch . I think she hasnt carefully studied his record. Judge gorsuch doesnt have a dad for any particular kind of regulation. He is the sort of judge who has a well earned reputation for being careful and for following the law without thinking about who it will favor and any particular case. He is not interested in gutting regulations. He is interested in reading the law and following it. He has said that judges and not appear across should be in charge of interpreting the law. I think that is something we learned in civics class, it is not that controversial. Martha michele, it sounds as if anybody this president would pick, he would be opposed to. Are we supposed to have four years without another judge on the bench . You know, i actually think that the onus is not on Senate Democrats to make a decision. The onus is really on President Trump to put forth a nominee who would be more in the mainstream. The reality is, at 49 years old, he would be the second youngest to ever sit on the court. He was hand selected by what many would call martha is there anything wrong with that . I think when you are 49, you are not talking about four years of a presidency. You are talking about 40 years and the potential to change fundamental understanding of issues around rights, liberatory. Martha that sounds discriminatory as how age could be a component. We will end up with the nuclear option. Whoever is an power, pick their judge. Nobody will be able to have hearings or have say in this matter. Matt, what do you think about that option . I think it would be a real shame. We have an opportunity now, i think, to call an end to this escalation of the confirmation wars. There is a wellqualified nominee who was unanimously confirmed to the court of appeals ten years ago with no opposition, who has had ten years to build a record of universal respect. President obama, solicitor general, wrote in the New York Times yesterday that he has great confidence that he would be the sort of judge who could restore confidence in the rule of law. And stand up to the administration of necessary. Martha thank you very much. Remember, he was confirmed for his Appeals Court position unanimously by many of the same senators who will be facing this decision this time around. Michele and matt, thank you very much for being here tonight. We are expecting some new video at any moment from the newly confirmed secretary of state Rex Tillersons swearing in ceremony. They didnt waste much time with that. We will show you the whole thing here. That is straight ahead. Also, President Trumps pick to leave the department of education is coming under increased pressure tonight. This one is really turning into a battle. We will tell you what is going on here and why her confirmation could be very much in question this hour. Mercedes schlapp will join us on that. 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Senator Mitch Mcconnell says they are not concerned about betsy devos nomination, which is interesting, because when you run the numbers, at the very least, this goes down to the wire. Alaska senator Lisa Murkowski and main senator, susan collins, the first two g. O. P. Senators to break with trump, they say they are worried about betsy devos lack of familiarity with public schools. I think chairman of the committee for working with me and with my colleagues on this matter. But i cannot support this nominee. Madam president , i will not, i cannot vote to confirm her as our nations next secretary of education. Now, there is pressure on Republican Leadership to keep the other g. O. P. Senators on board because there is no democratic support for devos, which means there is no wriggle room. If the vote was held today, it would be 50 50. Vice president mike pence, the president of the senate, we need to cast the confirming vote to confirm devos. The Vice President has never been called upon to break a senate tie to confirm a cabinet member. It has is also worth noting that Betsy Devos Confirmation out will come before attorney general nominee Jeff Sessions because they needed sessions to still be a senator so he can vote for devos. But through all of this, the white house is supremely confident. Listen. I have 100 confident that she will be the next secretary of education. She is unbelievably qualified educator and advocate air for students, teachers, parents. Betsy devos is also fighting allegations that she plagiarized some of her written answer to the senate committees. The Trump Administration because those allegations callow doormat character martha Rex Tillerson was officially sworn in as the next secretary of state. We are awaiting video that will be here any second is a comes into fox news. The president also made comments in the course of the swearing in, as well, about his visit to Dover Air Force base today. A very somber moment for him. Lets watch some of this as it plays out. Welcome to the white house, ladies and judgment, the president of the United States. President trump thank you very much. I just returned from an amazing visit with a great, great famil family. At dover. It was something very sad, very beautiful. Ryan, a great man. Secretary tillerson, i first want to congratulate you and your entire family on this incredible honor and it is that, an incredible honor. You bring the unique skills and deep, deep insights and i have gotten to see it firsthand into foreign diplomacy, our nation needs, to foster stability and security in a world too often trapped. Right now, it is trapped in violence and in war. You understand that the job of our diplomats and the mission of the state department is to serve the interests of the United States of america, to make our nation safer, our country more prosperous, and our people much more secure. In that mission, you also understand the importance of strengthening our alliances and forming new alliances to enhance our Strategic Interests and the safety of our people. Your whole life has prepared you for this moment. And you really have had a tremendous life, heading up one of the Great Companies of the world, and doing it magnificently, absolutely magnificently. I can say this is a man that is respected all over the world, before he even begins. Now, he is beginning his big, big, and most important journey. This is where you were meant to be, right here, today, at this crossroads in history. It is time to bring a clear eyed focus to foreign affairs, to take a fresh look at the world around us, and to seek new solutions grounded in very ancient truths. These truths include the fact that nations have a right to protect their interests, that all people have a right to freely pursue their own destiny, and that all of us are better off when we act in concert and not in conflict, and there has rarely been conflict like we have in the world today. Very sad. I am excited for you, i am excited for your family, and perhaps, most importantly, i am excited for our great country. Though you inherit an inherit enormous challenges in the middle east and around the world, i do believe we can achieve peace and stability in these very, very troubled times. May god bless you in this journey and may god bless our very, very special and great country. Thank you very much. Mike, you can do the honors. Thank you. On behalf of President Trump, i have the privilege to administer Rex Tillerson as the secretary of state of the United States of america. Please place your hand on the bible. I, Rex Tillerson, do solemnly swear. I, Rex Tillerson, do solemnly swear. That i will support and defend the constitution of the United States. That i will support and defend the constitution of the United States. Against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That i will bear truths and allegiance. That i will bear truths and allegiance. That i take this opportunityn freely. That i take this obligation freely. Speak it without any mental reservations. Without many mental reservations. Speak or purpose of invasion. That i will go well and faithfully. That i will go well and faithfully. Discharge the duty. Discharge the duty. Of the office upon which i am about to embark. So help me god. So help me god. [applauding] first, i want to express my profound thanks for President Trump for giving me this extraordinary opportunity to serve my country. I also want to think Vice President pans for giving me the honor of swearing me into this office today. I have a few folks in the room that are with me that have helped me over the last month to get to this point of confirmation. They represent a much larger group of people that have worked enormously long hours, tirelessly, helping me and guiding me through the confirmation process. To them, i will always be eternally grateful for the sacrifice they have made with their time and effort this past weeks. I have also received over the last month, so many messages, letters, and phone calls, best wishes, encouragement, prayers, from family, friends, and colleagues, who know me well. But i have also received an enormous outpouring of wonderful messages from people all over the country, whom i do not know. Words of encouragement and their prayers. It is there messages that are rn steadfast reminder to me as i enter the responsibility of secretary of state, as i serve this president , i serve their interests and will always represent the interest of all the American People at all times. Again, mr. President , thank you for this extraordinary opportunity. [applauding] [applauding] martha there you have it. A big moment for Rex Tillerson, former chairman and ceo of exxonmobil is now the secretary of state for the United States of america. The wheels have started to turn with these cabinet members getting their nomination process through. Joining me now for what this could mean for middle east policy, which you just heard mentioned there, chairman of the institute of the study of war, general jack. Welcome, good to happy her tonight, as always. Your thoughts on the work that Rex Tillerson has cut out for him here. He has his hands full. To the world has become a much more dangerous place, the middle east is absolutely full of volatility and dynamic every single day. As weve already seen, while this government is in transition, and we are trying to put in place the National Security team, the problems of the world do not wait for that. Problems come to 1600 pennsylvania avenue regardless of what is going on. Certainly, he is going to be a very key actor in formulating our National Security strategy and Foreign Policy. Listening to his testimony carefully, while i didnt know him at all, i truly think he is up to the task. I have great confidence in secretary gates and rice who made strong recommendations on his behalf, as well. Martha one of the conversations that has been going around in recent days is how much these cabinet members will be listened to. What is your sense for where the Security Policy for the country is coming from and the white house and do you believe they will have an opening to Rex Tillerson . I believe that. In my own discussions, i have out a couple of discussions with President Trump when he was president elect trump, and he has an open mind and he has great confidence in the people that he is electing to be on his National Security team. I am confident he is going to listen to them because he knows they clearly have more experience than he does. He is a quick study. Just like his predecessors who came to this office with virtually no Foreign Policy experience, going back many president s, except for george h. W. Bush, the fact is, they learned very quickly. He will be no exception to that. I know that he will listen to his advisors around him. Martha listen to this from general mike flynn today. Recent iranian actions involving a provocative Ballistic Missile launch an attack against a saudi naval vessel conducted by iran supported militants underscored what should have been cleared by the International Community all along about irans destabilizing behavior across the entire middle east. The recent Ballistic Missile launchers also in defiance of u. N. Security Council Resolution 2231. President trump has severely criticized of the various agreements reached between iran and the Obama Administration, as well as the united nations, as being weak and ineffective. Instead of being thankful to the United States in these agreements, around is now feeling emboldened. As of today, we are officially putting around on notice. Martha around on notice. Was that mean to you, general . First of all, it is welcome news. We hire mike are finally going to hold iran accountable since the early 1980s, when they began to kill americans by blowing upr embassies and our barracks. The reality is now, this message is going to tell them that we are not going to hold them accountable, we are going to hold them accountable for their proxies and their fighters in terms of the damage that they are doing in the middle east. That is truly welcome news. The second part of that message, was which is unequivocal, though not stated, is that we are reassuring our allies that this policy that iran hasnt destabilizing the middle east, we will not put up with that an. What that means, we will be willing to confront iran. And they understand that, we will hold their behavior accountable and they are going to learn to understand that. Martha general jack keane, always good to have you here. Thank you very much. Good talking to you martha. Martha new controversy as the organizer of the womans march in d. C. Comes under fire for her treatment of other women, including one of my next guests. She is here with a powerful response and her message to those protesting President Trump. Plus, we will show you how one news agency is telling its reporters to cover the president of how that might shake the administrations relationship with the press going forward. Chris stirewalt and charles hurt joined me for the media conflict segment coming up next. A lot of the media is actually the opposition. They are so biased and really, they are so biased and really, it is a disgrace how to win at business. Step one point decisively with the arm of your glasses. Abracadabra. The stage is yours. Step two choose la quinta. The only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free nightinstantly and win at business. A lot of the media is actually the opposition. They are so biased and really, it is a disgrace. Some of the media is fantastic and fair but so much of the medias opposition. They are the saddest people. Martha you have heard that before, that was President Trump earlier today at the white house, once again referring to the press as the opposition party. It comes as there seems to be a struggle with a larger medium of how just to exactly cover this unorthodox presidency. Reuters editorinchief steven adler going as far to provide his journalists with the dos and donts list and among the advice, do become ever more resourceful and do give up on handouts and worry less about official access, he says. But dont pick unnecessary fights or make the story about us and dont take too dark a view on the reporting environment. Earlier this week, he added some interesting case studies his journalists might use as guides. Watch this. It is hard to be a good journalist, really hard to be a great journalist. In this environment, you have to be. I am thinking, though, we covered putin, all around the world, we covered all of these places around the world, there is a playbook. Martha Chris Stirewalt, fox News Politics editor, democratic pollster, and charles hurt, political comments for the washington times. Welcome, all. Glad to have you here tonight. There is a playbook for that and that is written in turkey and russia, just cover President Trump the same way you do those people. Im going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Im going to say that what he is trying to say there, if you read the written version, what he is trying to say is, dont freak out, people. We are in a situation, we have an administration before that was hostile toward the press sometimes, sometimes extremely so. Now, we have one that is more hostile towards the press. But dont freak out. If we can cover putin, for goodness sakes, we can cover trump. I read him as saying, calm down, do your job, and you can get through this. Martha jessica, we have heard stories about cnn saying that they are being for frozen out, reporter saying that they are not getting the access that they believe they should have. What do you think . If you look at the feud between jim acosta and donald trump, you can see that happening. Donald trump going after cnn for the report that jake tapper put out there about the information on what role russia had played in the election. We know that donald trump has called cnn fake news for months now. He made that a principal part of his campaign. I do understand cnn being concerned. As chris said, i take this as guidance for reporters to make sure that reuters can continue to be as resourceful and fair as they have. There have been over 100 countries come i think they are generally known to be pretty unbiased. I think this note to his staff on his comments are actually incredibly important moving forward. Treating the media as the opposition is dangerous. And that is something that a putin would say. Now, of course, donald trump is not vladimir putin. Their humanitarian crisis issues that we dont have going on in. But i understand the concern and that of cnn. Martha charlie, is there an effort to freeze out the press on the part of the Trump Administration and what do you think of this response . I think that without any doubt, there is an effort by the Trump Administration to manhandle the press. But with good reason. What jessica just mentioned, the cnn report, it was not a false report about russian ties. It was a research dump filled with just ridiculous claims that were completely unsubstantiated unsubstantiated dash go the cnn report was differently and trump conflated them, and Kellyanne Conway, to use that against cnn. Whether it was cnn or buzzfeed or whatever, it was treated as if it was an actual story. This is why the media manages to have an even lower Approval Rating in america than politicians do. And obviously, the big reason why donald trump did so while in the election is because he beat the living daylights out of the media every single day. Another thing, reuters advice, you mentioned, martha, dont pick unnecessary fights, do stories about things that matter to people, these are the same people who gave us the whole crowd size a story, which was absolutely ridiculous, where they had a photographer climb because the elevator was broken and the Washington Monument. The poor guy had to climb 500 steps to get to the bottom to get to the top of the Washington Monument so he could take a picture to compare to 2008. This instance is the dumbest story that has ever been written. People dont care about this. It is just picking a fight. Martha i am just watching Chris Stirewalt a side glance on that. I cant see that but i would like to see it. [laughter] look. We are accustomed to, as journalist, the fact that the government generally doesnt like us. They dont want to make our job easier. That is what they do. They want to get their agenda forward. This is not a new space. Whether you are republican or democrat, generally, hostility is your starting point when it comes to when reporters cover you. This is different. There is more here because trump is good at, as charles points out, making us into scapegoats, making us into a whipping boy for what they are doing. And also, it helps because even when criticism is legitimate, even when inquiry or accountability is legitimate, you can tell your supporters, dont listen to them, listen to me. That is always helpful for the government and now for donald trump. Martha minds me of the discussion earlier by the senat. At some point, somebody speaking of higher ground, there is a purpose, obviously, with the press. We ask the questions, we hold people accountable, we look at what they said they would do as president and we measure whether or not that is happening. When things slip away, you have to make sure that those stories are investigated, jessica. But there is an antagonistic attitudes on some of the press that theyre not going to give any breathing room at all. Maybe he set that environment up during the campaign. But how do we get to a place where there are some sort of i think it will happen. I think will take an advisor within the administration, someone very close to him. It wont be steve bana, who told the New York Times something closer to it President Trump set about the media being the opposition, who said, you have to calm down here. The press can be a very good thing for us, as well. We have seen it in the Trump Administration releasing those highlights from the sunday interviews. Every time that something happened that is good, he is all over it. If there is a poll that is favorable, he wants to talk about it nonstop. That doesnt mean we should just give flattering coverage, of course. It will take someone close to him to drive him in this direction. I used to think that Kellyanne Conway might have been that voice of reason but the alternative fact the scenario had complicate in my view of that. Martha they feel burned by many of these stories, and i think there is time to repair that relationship to the point where you can get it to a place where both sides are giving the people what they need, which is accurate information. Charlie, thank you very much. Jessica, good to have you here. Chris, thank you very much. There is no reaction tonight to a newly uncovered insults from an organizer of the womens march. There are words that do not belong on tv. The controversy raising questions about whether the movement, this womens march movement, can claim moral high ground when it comes to the views of all women. She is here to respond with a powerful method for those marchers coming up next. Martha new controversy tonight concerning one of the top organizers behind the womens march movement, which was supposed to represent a wide crosssection of women in this country. Linda sarsour criticizes the trump prior to presidency while supporting sharia law. Her views promoted by the official womens mark twitter account, she was one of the organizers, they say they will always have her back. But now, some are questioning if she is the right messenger for women of this country. Sarsour has latched out another prominent member who are in favor of reforming some of the tenets of islam. Sarsours 2011 tweet, which has now resurfaced, went after these took a very prominent women who have spoken out against sharia law. In this vicious way. Read this for yourself at home. As she berates them and says that she wishes that she could whip them and take away their body parts. It is vile to say the least. Joining me now is the person who that was directed at, ayaan hirsi alil, wellknown author and activist and Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the founder of the aha foundation. Welcome. Very good to have you with us tonight. Martha, thank you very much for having me. Martha what is your reaction when you look at it . I know you have read that, and everybody at home just read it at, as well. What is your reaction . My reaction is that miss sarsour is hostile to me, not because she knows me, but because she is fake feminist. Miss sarsour is not interested in universal human rights. She is a defender of sharia law. And the principle of sharia law is no principle that demeans, degrades, and dehumanizes women more than the principle of sharia law. Linda sarsour is a defender of thought. She hates me, she hates me because of that. I want to say, i want to ask linda sarsour, and the women who put their trust in her, why did she not organize a march for us here . That is the women in pakistan who is on death row. She is condemned because allegedly she did something that caused her to blaspheme. Or a woman in sudan who was imprisoned, 270 plus women who were kidnapped in boko haram, the is erie women who were subjected to slavery by isis. This is the times we live in and this fake feminists who say they speak for muslim women, they have never said anything about this. Linda sarsour is not a defender of universal human rights. She is a defender of sharia law. She hates me because i asked beaus sharia law is. What sharia law is is what the Islamic State of iraq and syria is doing. Martha you have been a victim of genital mutilation, something that you speak out quite a bit. It must be shocking to you to watch all of these women gather in washington under this womens leadership. What is your message to those women . I have friends there who marched. When they spoke to me, i would say to them, listen, guys, we have real threats against women, real war on women, our genitals are being cut, 114 million women are being subjected to genital mutilation. Child brides. We have women in china, for instance, the technology of looking at what is in your womb. I have a baby and at 20 weeks, i could tell whether it was a boy or a girl. That technology is being used to remove girls. We are not marching against this kind of thing. We are not marching against that in europe. This is the kind of thing we need to be marching against. We are not marching against it. If we are really interested in saving crisis of human rights, we should not. Martha thank you so much. Thank you tom welcome to red eye, hello everyone, i am tom shillue. Lets check in with andy levy after the red eye tease deck. Andy donald trump nominates neil gorsuch to fill the vacant seat on the debris in court. Will have a interview with his handsome, Witty College friend coming up. And finally, is the female lead oceans