in less than a wee ukraine's crimea has probably something to do with local militia groups, protection groups, bret, but certainly, there is a russian military presence down there, and the question and the concern is where is it all leading? another jarring wake-up call in ukraine. armed men take over the civilian airport in the semiautonomous region of crimea, and where russia bases its black sea fleet. russia says its personnel there are doing business as usual, protecting their black sea fleet. ukraine's interim government jumped to declare this a violation of the terms of the agreement. >> we have the fact there are disguised military from the russian black sea fleet illegally conducting their actions in ukrainian territory in the republic of crimea. we have developed measures to neutralize it. >> john kerry spoke to his russian counterpart who denied it was a land grab in the region of ukraine. >> i nevertheless made it clear that that could be misinterpreted at this moment, and there are enough tensions that it's important for everybody to be extremely careful, not to inflame the situation and not to send the wrong messages. >> in the meantime, ukraine's fugitive president popped up for a press conference in russia, claiming he's still the lawful president of ukraine and intends to fight fy to keep it from the pro-fascist mob that took backipower with the backin westerners. there was even a displace of emotion. >> i would like to ask for very has suffered and is suffering. if i were in ukraine, i would bow before all of the victims and meet with their families. >> bret, yanukovych will not have the opportunity to lay any flowers at the graves of those who died last week in all of the violence. he's wanted by the interim government for mass murder, and there are indications they're going to do all they can to extradite him or get him back to ukraine. >> amy, thank you. wendell goler is standing by live on the north lawn. at the white house where president obama in the briefing room, just addressed the situation in ukraine. good evening. >> good evening, bret. the president spoke after ukraine's ambassador to the u.n. confirmed reports the white house had not wanting to take at face value earlier in the day. press secretary jay carney said at his briefing, the u.s. was trying to confirm reports of russian intervention. he repeated warnings by secretary of state kerry and u.n. ambassador susan rice it would be a grave mistake, and mr. obama echoed those same warnings. >> any violation of ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interest of ukraine, russia, or europe. it would represent a profound interference in matters that must be determined by the ukrainian people. it would be a clear violation of russia's commitment to respect the independence and sovereignty and borders of ukraine and of international loss. >> russia warned the u.s. against getting involved. the crimea area is largely ethnic russian. they speak the russian language, not ukrainian, and the sympathies are perhaps more with moscow than kiev. >> i think i can say that interference from our western colleagues has not been helpful, and they have a certain responsibility for those dramatic consequences and also a responsibility for not following through with their agreement they themselves brought about and affixed their signatures on february 21st. >> here at home, republican senator john mccain's criticism was scalding. he sees another syria in the making where the president made a warning. this time calling russia's action a grave mistake, that he doesn't tend to back up, and maybe can't back up. mccain sees the administration as naive, and though he admits there's no military option, he feels the president invited russian aggression. >> we are seeing an intervention that is really deeply disturbing and alarming. and i don't think he thinks that the united states is going to do much, given when he looks around and sees his russian troops occupying georgia, the failure in syria, iraq, around the world, and seeing american weakness and withdrawal. >> fact is the u.s. really doesn't have much of an option in pressuring russia beyond embarrassing them. unless you want to go back to cold war sanctions, the countries have been dismantling. he reminded moscow and putin the whole world was watching them a short while ago and is watching with a different eye now. >> just days after the world came to russia for the olympic games, it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world. and indeed, the united states will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in ukraine. >> what the president has not done is picked up the phone and called vladimir putin. vice president putin called ukraine's prime minister, but that just reaffirms the u.s. recognition of the interim government. it does not pressure russia to do so. >> where is the president now? >> he's speaking now at a democratic national convention rally just across town. you may ask how he can hold a political speech at a time of crisis. i think the folks here would say this is ukraine's crisis, not yet a global crisis. bret. >> okay, wendell goler, thank you. let's go to wall street journal reporter allen colson who is on the phone in crimea in the southern region of ukraine. can you hear me? >> yes, fine. >> paint the picture for us there in the area you are. >> well, this is a city that is host to a military base, the russian black sea fleets. and there has been a lot of troop activity around here that has been off the base. heavy equipment, heavy trucks. with their seals and markings taking off of them. heading into crimea itself. which are some of the indications that there is some kind of russian involvement in what's going on here. >> you know, it's important to point out there are some 10 million ethnic russians or russian nationals in ukraine. that's about 20% of the population of 45 million in ukraine. so some of those russian troops are probably welcome, especially in that area. but you have the current ukrainian authorities saying that this is the beginning of an invasion or an invasion. how is this action being received on the ground? >> well, within crimea itself, of course, there are certain people who, yes, would like to see unification or would like to have a russian presence here. there are other people who really don't -- you know, they consider themselves russians and are proud of being russian, but they don't really want the russian style of government, which everyone is familiar with, and for that reason, having really been going through unification. >> what about the president's statements, and i know just made within the last hour and a half, but there will be costs. and what that possibly could mean, and how the reaction might be there in ukraine. >> well, i don't think the russians will probably be bored by that statement because they'll consider it weak, not much. a foreign minister called it giving the russians carte blanche for war and everyone is going to pay the consequences, including the united states. within the ukraine, i think there will be quite a bit of disappointment because, you know, russians have been told many times that people are watching the situation, that the international community is concerned about things. but the russians really aren't that worried about people being concerned. as a matter of fact, they think it enhances their reputation. >> it's important to point out, ukraine is key for natural gas and oil moving to europe. >> yes, it is key. but on the other hand, i mean, you could say that ukraine would have some sort of influence on russia because of it, but they're also dependent on russia for its gas supply and such. so russia can apply a lot of pressure to ukraine. but what it's doing now, you know, essentially siding with the minority within the ukraine, and for that reason, asserting its presence in ukraine, it's not something russia hasn't done in other places. it also invaded georgia to supposedly help, you know, causians. they also -- they sustained mortar conflicts around their border, around their borders in order to sort of widen their influence. >> allen in crimea, the southern part of ukraine. allen, thank you very much. we'll check back in. developing situation. we'll bring you more otthe bottom of the hour. up next, as hillary clinton mulled a second try at the white house, a slew of secret files from that era are released to the public. first, here's what some of our fox affiliates across the country are covering. chicago has the story of frozen water pipes plaguing the area. it's due, of course, to the extra long, extra cold winter. oakland is covering the big storm in california. communities there that were endangered by a wiefr weeks ago, is now threatened by mudslides. new york, the acquittal of kerry 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today released the first batch of some 33,000 pages that had been withheld from public access for longer than the law allows. the material uploaded today contained no smoking guns or knockout blows, they did offer insights into how the clintons operated in the '90s and lessons for today's white house as well. when then first-lady hillary clinton tackled health care reform, she privately told house republicans that most people in america, quote, don't understand their own health insurance. another memo exchanges between clinton white house aides on the eve of the state of the union urged that the administration not promise people they can keep their doctor or health care plan. quote, can we get away with it, asked one aide. isn't the 31st of the health care plan to steer them to cheaper, hmo-style providers. i'm worried about getting skewers or promising on something we know we can't deliver. and to a lady's conference in beijing where she delivered a line that echoes today. >> humans rights are human rights and women's rights are human rights once and for all. >> her pr aides drafted strategies to quote/unquote humanize her. her chief of staff was told she should do more interviews with regional interviews. it would serve to counter the tone of the national media. and before a critical 1999 meeting with democratic senator daniel patrick moynahan of new york, whose seat clinton wanted and went on to win, mandy grun wauld wrote, don't be defensive. the press is watching to see if they can make your uncomfortable or testy. look for opportunities of humor. it's important that people see more sides of you and they often see you in only stern situations. lastly, be careful to be real. >> would be surprised the number of people in public life who privately get reminded to be real. >> clinton allies were quick to note that nothing earth shattering contained in the documents, but that raised the question why the clintons pressed for so long to chemothem away. >> there's a desire to avoid document release that would be awkward and perhaps a bit unpleasant, but nothing more. >> the national archives told me about 4,000 to 5,000 pages would have been released in the first installment and it was a rolling affair with additions as the day went on. the remaining 25,000 pages or so will take about two weeks to go online. >> and there's 78 million. >> at the clinton presidential library. >> a central player in the benghazi talking points scandal said he's ready and willing to testify. catherine herridge is live with the latest. >> thank you, bret. in response to fox's reporting, the former acting and deputy director of the cia mike morrell wrote a letter to the house intelligence committee mike rogers. according to the text, he said he would embrace the chance to testify again and he called on the house and senate intelligence committee to declassify his earlier testimony where he's accused of misleading lawmakers over the white house's role. i have always valued the oversight responsibilities of the congress. i look forward to the opportunity to publicly answer any and all questions you and your members have on this very important issue. in response, senator lindsey graham who said morrell misled him and at least two other senators is calling on the sdagz to release more documents beyond the 100 pages of e-mails made public in may. quote, i believe we need to declassify his previous testimony and release all communications, written, recorded, audio, and video, involving mr. morrell's discussions. it's likely he will be recalled to testify, and the house committee is also considering whether his boss, david petraeus, will also be recalled. the general has yet to respond to fox's request for comment. up next, top democrats aren't buying all the obamacare horror stories you have heard. jim ingle with that. plus, a timeline on the irs targeting conservatives scandal. stay tuned. for over a decade millions have raised their hand for the 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number of real people with real stories about how the law has hurt them. senate majority leader harry reid managed to ignite a fire storm by accusing those who complain of canceled policies and higher rates under obamacare a flat out lie. >> plenty of horror stories being told, all are untrue, but they're told all over america. >> senator reid pointed to ads run by the koch brother, but his remarks went further, questioning the truth of all complaints, quoting "new york times" columnist paul krugman. >> paul krug mlg writes, republicans are just making this stuff up. >> and today, white house spokesman jay carney backed him up. >> reporters have discovered that in fact the circumstances are not as they're being presented by either outside groups or republicans. >> it was pretty astonishing to have the majority leader, the democratic leader of the united states senate get up on the floor of the united states state senate and call americans liars. >> roy blunt, who has given 11 speeches laying out horror stories from his constituents questions reid's accusations. >> i guess you think the active imagination of missourians are running wild because they're contacting our office constantly telling of higher premiums, higher deductibles. >> those who have been misled are forced to pay more than before are hardly a rarity. 6.2 million had policies canceled, many forced into much more expensive plans. >> i think we should call ourselves the liars' club. >> tom got a letter cancelling his old policy and laying out a 61% increase in premiums under obamacare. >> i went from $891 a month to $1437 a month. and also, my deductibles all doubled. >> jeff and victoria of north carolina who had been in a high-risk pool, an expensive form of coverage, found obamacare even more expensive. >> $950 a month for the policy, which had higher deductibles than we had in the high-risk pool. >> the congressional budget office found that obamacare will force two of three small firms to pay more. there are some winners in obamacare but also plenty of losers, something senator reid cannot admit. >> thank you. meanwhile, obamacare looks like it could be an achilles heel for a possible presidential contender. carl cameron on maryland's broken system. >> tv ads for maryland's web based obamacare exchange sings a song of coverage convenience. ♪ got to have it, going to get it ♪ ♪ convenience >> but a crippling glitch in the exchange could cost them an extra $35 million because they can't crunch the data and determine who is eligible and who is not. a routine budget report released thursday said, quote, the system is currently incapable of handling who is in conflict. they had hardware and design problems, lost applications and stuck cases. the federal government has approved a six-month delay, and the report estimates the cost of the six-month delay could be $17.8 million in fiscal year 2014 and an additional $12.5 million in 2015. the company that built the system has been paid $68 million and fired. maryland hired a new contractor and is also considering other systems in other states as well as using the federal healthcare.gov site. martin o'malley who is preparing a 2016 presidential run could be tripped up by the covering of the exchanges. he's a big supporter but admits the launch has gone badly. >> as a state, we were looking to sign up 260,000. right now, we're at about 200,000 that have signed up. the kick-off of the websites was certainly rocky. >> 16 states in the district of columbia chose state-based exchanges. more than half are having problems. in maryland and elsewhere, the problems on the web pages are so complex some officials aren't willing to say how much it will cost to fix them or what the end wi be. >> congress tries to pin down the timeline on the irs scandal. plus, the latest from ukraine where russian troops have entered that country. we'll be right back. no grapevine tonight due to breaking news. president obama expressing deep concern over russian military activity inside ukraine. warning, there will be costs for any intervention. he didn't say what the costs would be. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with the latest. >> good evening, bret. ukraine's special representative to the crimea described it as an armed invasion and occupation. the pentagon today is unwilling to characterize the movement of russian forces into the crimea. this video apparently shows some of the dozen or so russian helicopters crossing the border into the ukraine today. we can't confirm its authenticity. about a dozen airport reportedly landed at an airport carrying soldiers in full battle gear. witnesses said nearly 2,000 troops had been air lifted in. officials tell us they are seeing evidence of air and maritime movement into and out of crimea. president obama issued this warning from the white house. it was his first public statement about ukraine since february 19th. >> just days after the world came to russia for the olympic games it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world, and indeed, the united states will stand with the international community in affirming there will be costs for any military intervention in ukraine. >> the troops that took over two airports and the television station in crimea appeared to be russian special forces as well. they carried ak-74s, the weapon of choice for the russians, according to military observers. the russian ambassador to the u.n. appeared dismissive of questions of a russian invasion. >> is russia willing to militarily intervene in ukraine to achieve your political goals? >> really, even the question is aggravating. >> a senior administration official says the u.s. and its european allies would consider a boycott of the june g-8 summit in sochi if russian trooped occupy ukrainian territory. >> we'll talk about it on the panel in a minute. jennifer, thank you. back here at home, former official lois lerner first revealed the scandal involving the irs's targeting of conservative groups, but when did the targeting itself start? mike emanuel is on the timeline. >> a focus of the investigations looking into the irs targeting of conservative groups seeking tax exempt stating are trying to figure out how it started. after the supreme court ruling of january 2010 up holding the rights of groups to contribute to races, president obama called on them to fix it in his address. >> they reversed a century of law that i believe will open the flood gates for special interests. >> a month later, new york democratic senator chuck schumer announced he was introducing the disclose aid, and then in april 2010, the president warned about shadowy groups with harmless sounding names. they said the irs felt the pressure. >> we never heard about any problems with people applying for tax status since 1959 when there were rules put in place. we never had problems until 2009 when this administration took over. that's when it all started. >> at numerous congressional hearings, lawmakers have heard the horror stories of people who had their lives turned upside down by the federal government. >> since that filing in 2010, my private business, my nonprofit organizations, my family and i have been subjected to more than 15 instances of audit or inquiry by federal agencies. >> some democrats say they fear republicans will go too far. >> we're responsible, but don't use this opportunity to do what you always wanted to do, which is to get rid of the irs. >> lois lerner, the former irs official that first revealed the targeting of coverative groups has been recalled by the group to testify. she took the fifth after making an opening statement defending herself. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. >> republicans say now an irs proposed rule redefining political activity is actually another way of cracking down on these nonprofit groups and they called on the new irs commissioner to show his independence and reject it. >> thank you. tune in to fox news sunday where chris wallace will talk to darrell issa. check your local listings for the details. the dow added 49. the s&p 500 gained 5 today. the nasdaq lost 11. for the week, the dow added 1.3. the nasdaq up 1 and a fraction. president obama said there will be costs any intervention in ukraine. fox all-stars weigh in next. 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let's bring in our panel. jonah goldberg, charles layne, and charles krauthammer. charles. >> as we just heard a little earlier from jennifer, the ukrainians and i think everybody is shocked by the weakness of obama's statement. it is, i find it rather staggering. and the fact we have done nothing of any importance, but let me look at the statement, the one you just quoted. obama said he didn't say there will be costs. he said we will stand with the international community, meaning we're going to negotiate with a dozen other countries who will water down the statement. and affirming there will be costs, meaning in making a statement, not even imposing a cost. but in making a statement about imposing a cost, for any military intervention. so he's like three levels removed. what he's saying is we're not really going to do anything and we're telling the world. the reason all of this is important is because even the language of diplomacy, even though it's not going to change anything on the ground, it's a code and it tells europeans and others how serious we are and how much we want to carry it through. for example, you have a senior administration official saying we will consider a boycott of the g-8 summit in russia. announced today the boycott will be imposed as of now unless russia withdraws. withdraw our ambassador in moscow. make a statement that means something. >> how about advocate georgia and nato. or do something bold. >> one thing that you could do under the convention of 1936, i looked all this stuff up. we are allowed two frigates in the black sea. why not announce we're going to send them there? we're not going to go to war, but that's what actually the bush administration announced after the invashz of georgia. i mean, the world looks at this statement. obama's essentially saying, he said any violation of ukrainian territory is destabilizing, and that's not in russia's interest. he's instructing putin on what is in russia's interests. i can assure you putin is calculating his own interest, and he's calculated that deta h detaching crimea from the ukraine and making it essentially a colony of russia is in russia's interests because he knows he has nothing to fear from the west, because it's not led by anybody, used to be led by the united states. >> also striking, chuck, that the president said that vice president biden had just gotten off the phone with the prime minister of ukraine. >> not barack obama himself. and i would add to what charles just said. he said it was, this would be destabilizing, which is not in the interest of europe, ukraine, or russia. but he didn't say it wouldn't be in the interest of the united states. in the entire statement, there was no declaration of the united states's interest in the situation. one way or another. i felt out of the whole, you know, set of sort of observations that the president made this evening, that was the clearest signal of all. he made no statement of u.s. interest in the situation. look, i made a list. in hungary in 1956, the russians went in and the u.s. didn't do anything. in prague in 1968, they went in, the united states didn't do anything. poland, 1980, martial law. gorgeousa in '08, and now we have ukraine in 2014. i think putin feels pretty comfortable that whatever these costs are going to be, they're very affordable from his point of view. >> this was a serious statement delivered to the white house briefing room, and obviously, to the nation, because everyone pickedt jonah. 33 minutes later, across town, he delivered this to a democratic audience. >> it's friday. it's after 5:00. so this is now officially happy hour with the democratic party. i can do that. it is an executive action. i have the authority. >> what about that? >> yeah, i think it's almost out of the onion a perfect example of how obama's comfort zone is domestic politics. that's a prism through which he sees everything. that's probably why he didn't say anything that could be sound bited against him, that conjured up reminiscences of red lines or anything like that. but i want to get back to one thing he said in his statement that i agree with charles and chuck have said already, he said the ukrainian people have also reminded us human beings have a universal right to determine their own future. that is exactly the kind of argument that putin has ready off the shelf to say that the majority russians in crimea deserve to be returned back to russia. the kind of exact argument they will make. the long term thing about what happens to ukraine generally, but in the immediate term, charles is right. it's all about -- putin cannot in any way, shape, or form, detach, allow crimea to get out of hes control. it's where the black sea fleet is. it's a key strategic asset. when you listen to barack obama talk about the stuff, you get the sense he has no -- i'm sure he knows these things, but you get the sense he doesn't care. from afghanistan to iraq, all this foreign policy has been through the prism of domestic politics. >> the strength of the statement, even though he's not going to change it up on the ground, is important because the rest of the world, if there's a cost, it will be economic or diplomatic or isolation or something, but they'll only do it if they have a sense the united states is serious about this. the bush administration, the first bush administration rallied the world against the invasion of kuwait, which would never have happened because the president of the united states said this will not stand. i'll do this alone if i have to. the world always waits for the signal. you could not have issued a more flaccid statement than what obama did. why did he issue it at all? he should have just stayed on the white house and gone off and had his happy hour with the democrats. >> i should point out, there will be who will say, what do you want the president to do? >> well, he could recall an ambassador, announce a boycott. >> no, today, not go to the democratic event? not meet with the fund-raisers. >> when he made the statement about the attack on syria, where did he go immediately? to play golf. the world sees this and it knows, as we just heard, they can tell if the president cares. if he doesn't, they won't care because unless you're led by the super power, you will not go. >> one thing he also could have done is announce we're going to look at the bank accounts all these guys have in the united states. they all send their hard currency to us, and we could freeze that. >> more on ukraine, the politics, the geopolitical situation, right after this break. introducing olive garden's pronto lunch starting at $6.99. an entirely new menu created with your busy schedule in mind. handmade italian sandwiches, flatbreads, and our signature soup and salad. starting at $6.99. and all served "pronto!" at olive garden. from the classic lines to the elegant trim in each and every piece, ♪ kohler will make your reality a dream. when you are asked what's the biggest geo political threat facing said russia. not al qaeda. they are calling and asking for foreign policy back. the cold war has been over for 20 years. >> russia, i indicated, is a geopolitical foe. >> excuse me. >> it's a geopolitical foe and i said in the same paragraph and i said and iran is the greatest national security threat we face. russia does continue to battle us in the u.n. time and time again. i have clear eyes on this. i'm not going to wear rose colored glasses when it comes to russia or mr. putin. >> that was october 2012. and the debate between mitt romney and president barack obama, we're back with the panel. jonah, you know, a lot of people look back at that and say the geopolitical situation obviously changed. but maybe mitt romney had an interesting view of things back then. >> yeah. and i used to joke that the obama administration should have put mitt romney in charge of implementing obamacare it would have gone over much better. maybe he should be secretary of state now too. the thing that i find striking is, you know, george ken than, during the cold war, basically launched much of our containment policy argued that russia will pursue its long-term interest that it had when it was an empire. it is innate to the russian system and russia people. russia has to be russia. the bush administration was naive about that but bush had a steep learning curve and he learned. obama people came in with re-set. idea will be not only will rere-set thing bush being a mule head and not understanding these things but actually re-set russia's own set of own self-interest. that naivete is what we are paying for now. >> the center of gravity now is moscow. that a lot of the -- where everything is coming from is moscow. you look at there is an intelligence ship off the coast of cuba that nobody is really paying attention to. there is -- they have their hand in a lot of different pots around the world. >> well, there is -- there are a couple of significance at least, obviously what's going on in ukraine is one. the other is syria, which we haven't talked about tonight but where clearly putin has been a thorn in the whole world's side in terms of his backing of assad in that region. and, you know, the other aspect where they have been very important is the edward snow den case where obviously they have given him asylum and a platform there in russia. and i think they have exploited that issue to drive a wedge between the united states and western europe. so, sure, russia is, you know, i don't know if you call that cold war, but they are certainly engaged in a lot of activity that's counter to u.s. interest. and i don't think the mere fact that people raise that should be met with awe, that's just a bunch of cold war rhetoric. no, of course we are not going back to a cold war. one has to be realistic about the areas where the u.s. and russia disagree. >> charles? >> look, and it's the lack of realism that has been the essence of our policy since this administration began. in april of 2000 -- 2009, right at the beginning when obama launched the re-set, he said that relations with russia had been allowed to drift in previous years. blaming the bush administration. the reason there was a drift and a coldness in the relationship is because putin had invaded georgia. so we were sort of freezing relations and expressing our unhappiness. but, instead, obama took as it an american assault on russia. the russians could see the weakness and the misunderstanding from the beginning. and they have taken advantage every step of the way since april of 2008. >> this week's winners and losers from the panel next. the. just start the slow cooker, add meat and pour in campbell's slow oker sauce. by the time you get home, dinner is practically done. and absolutely delicious. everne is cooking wiew campbell's slow cooker sauces. i ke prilosec otc each morni for my frzero heartburn.n. becat and absolutely delicious. wohoo! 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