0 life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try it. >> well, we all want to save lives, don't we? so, here is something hopefully that the president can agree to. since he says he wants to save the lives of children, we can start by ending the national nightmare of the destruction of more than a million unborn children a year, who didn't die at the end of a madman's gun, but at the end of abortionists scalpel and scraper. it's been 40 years this tuesday, since the extreme court reached beyond the constitution and created the notion that there are some lives not worthy to be lived. the familiar, but utterly false declaration of many liberals that they want abortion to be rare, but safe is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who thinks that more than a million deaths a year from abortion constitutes rare. it's hardly safe to the mother. and certainly not to the baby. spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we now have over 9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back, $30,000 for every man, woman and child, that's irresponsible. it's unpatriotic. >> mike: unpatriotic. 9 trillion dollars in debt 2008. we're 16 1/2 trillion dollars in debt today. all right. joining me now, former house speaker newt gingrich. mr. speaker, great having you with me tonight. [applause] >> good to be with you, governor. i must say that was a terrific lead-in and one i kind of wish the president had seen. >> mike: well, i want to begin asking you, does it strike you as odd? the media hasn't really called the president account-- to account for this rapid evolution that he's had on the viability of the debt ceiling. >> well, i think the conservatives have to learn a couple of lessons out of the last four years. one is that the elite media will never hold him to account for anything. and the other is that he is who he is. he's a liberal democrat or a radical democrat, who wants bigger government, higher taxes, more power in washington. redistributionist policies and secular values and that is who he is and i think rather than hoping he'll somehow moderate, we should set our own agenda and we should look where we have leverage. i actually think, mike, that the house republicans were very wise in williamsburg to decide that they were not going to fight over the debt ceiling over the next three months, get na out of the way for 90 days and then focus on the continuing resolution, on the sequester. because they fit exactly what the president said. this is real spending. i mean, under our constitution, nothing can be spent that the house does not pass. and so, the house republicans really have an opportunity to set a whole new standard not trying to figure out what kind of deal obama wants, but deciding what in good conscience they're willing to past. >> mike: in your experience as speaker of the mouse and somebody who as really engineered the republican takeover of the house back in the 1994 elections, speak to what you advise republicans to do in dealing with the president? because he's going to come out saying it's all the republicans fault they won't work with me. >> first of all shall every republican should take the two quotes you've given them tonight. post them on their website, every single house and senate republican and say i am very impressed with this earlier vision of barack obama. i think that he had it right. it's unpatriotic, it's immoral, it is wrong and therefore, i'm going to do my part and my role to make sure that we fix it. now, i would love to see every house republican go to the house right at the center of the capitol, in the rotunda, is a copy of the mag na carta, 1215, almost 800, 900 years ago, in 1215, the nobles said to the king, you cannot spend money that we don't approve raising and the king was in a weak position and said, yes. and all of the legislative branch rose out of that historic moment and the legislature has every right to say we're not going to pass and we're not going to give you the money and because of the situation they find themselves in, could have a devastating effect of april 1st not passing certain things. what if they decided, for example, not to fully fund the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and said, no, we're not going to fundamentally implement them, it would be illegal to try to implement it. and ronald reagan discovered in the iran-contra process, the power of congress to say you can't spend the money, is 100%-- remember, the first public speaker in 40 years, we met the contract, we closed the government twice, for six days in november and 21 days in december and january of 1995-1996. it was after we closed it that bill clinton came to the capitol and said to the state of the union the era of big government is over. he didn't do that because he got there himself. he did that because he recognized that a congress that was determined to shrink government was changing the terms of his presidency. >> mike: i am 'm going to get t some of the moments of almost 20 years ago and talk about today. and talk about the president as gun control plan, it wouldn't be the first time that washington has banned so-called assault weapons. back when the speaker was in office in 1994, congress passed a similar law. coming up, i'm going to ask newt gingrich about how he felt about the ban then, and then compare it with the plan that the president is putting forth now. you've got to stay with us. we're going to get to all of that when we return. i'd like to hear from you, go to my website, mikehuckabee.com and tell me what you think there. or sign up for my facebook or sign up for my facebook page and fthe boys usetwitter. capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. 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