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Ahead to the fies he is facing against super pacs, lobbyists, lawmakers and the strategy that could let him take them on and maybe win. Lets get to it. Now Shepard Smith reporting, live from the fox news deck. First from the news deck on tuesday afternoon, isis just claimed responsibility for the bloody campus attack at Ohio State University, thats according to multiple news organizations, quoting the terror groups own news agency. It called the student who plowed into people with a car and smashed victims with a butcher knife a soldier of the islamic state. There is more to this and well get to it. This comes as a Law Enforcement source tells fox news chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge minutes before the attack happened he praised a former top al qaeda leader in a rant on facebook. That former is none over than the american cleric Anwar Alawlaki who died in a drone attack in yemen five years ago. The source tells us that he called alawlaki a hero. It also says, if you want us muslims to stop carrying lone wolf attacks, then make peace. Byal law, we will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the muslims. You will not celebrate or enjoy any holiday. Artan carried out the attack as students returned from thanksgiving break. Law enforcement sources tell fox news the suspect had not been on any of the feds radar systems, if you will. Dozens of fbi agents began collecting evidence from his apartment overnight. We will have more with the investigation with Catherine Herridge in a moment. We are learning about his life before he injured people and before the officer shot and killed him. He was a somali refugee and now a permanent legal resident of the United States, or he was until he was killed. Ohio state Student Newspaper published an interview with him in august. The now suspect who is dead told the paper then he had just transferred from a nearby community college, he was muslim and looking for a place to pray out in the open. He said he was worried about the medias portrayal of islam. Students last night gathered at several prayer vigils near the campus to show their support for the victims, and muslim and Somali Community leaders there in ohio have spoken out against the attack, condemning it. We have team fox corner, chief intelligence correspondent live in washington. First lets get to mike tobin live in columbus this afternoon. What else did they say the suspect said in the interview there with the campus newspaper . Reporter well, the bulk of that interview, shep, with the lan ton newspaper here at Ohio State University had to do with his concerns, the tension he felt from transferring here particularly as a muslim. He wanted a place to pray five times a day. He didnt want to pray out in the open because he was concerned about perceptions of muslim, perceptions he said were created by the media. Of course, that stands in contrast to someone who would three months later execute a violent attack on campus. Shep. Whats the mood there on campus today, mike, if youve been able to get hold of that . Reporter well, you know, shep arld, if y shepard, i would not know an attack took place here yesterday. Students are milling about, going to classes. If you talk to them, you get a different story. People are upset, very concerned it could happen here. One of the witnesses yesterday, jacob bowers, told me today he was going to seek out counseling being offered up. We have seen vigils spring up organically, particularly last night there was one. We have the First University sanctioned vigil take will take place today, it is being labeled buckeye strong, held in the old basketball arena and it will feature the University President as well as student body president. Team coverage continues. The aforementioned correspondent catherine heritage in washington. Interesting this information about the praise of al awalaki. Do we know . It is another piece of evidence suggesting artan was selfradicalized. Foxs ongoing reporting as showna lashown awlawki was killed in a drone. This was from a photo where he was picked up for soliciting prostitutes. His radical teaching are consumed by those who followal kielda as well as isis. The new York New Jersey bombing suspect was also a follower of the americanborn cleric based on his notebook obtained by fox news. The awlawki was seen in the domestic terror attack in california who opened fire at a county health office, killing 14 and seriously injuring 22 people before the couple was killed by police. Anwar alawlaki also shows up in the pulse club attack. The teen watched the videos prior to the attack. Said the cleric is often the common link in these cases. A lot of these individuals that weve seen of late, whether it would be from the attack that happened in orlando or in San Bernardino or others, were watching some of the Anwar Alawlaki videos online and were radicalized in their own homes watching these videos. Reporter im going to send it back to you because we have a News Conference going right now. Indeed it is. One of the doctors involved at Ohio State University holding a News Conference. In addition next to him is one of the victims of this attack who is expected to speak. Lets listen. Were thankful there appear to be no lifethreatening injuries and we expect all of the individuals to make a full recovery. I would be happy to take questions or would you like to turn things over to the professor, chris at this point . [ inaudible ]. My name is william clark. I am a professor of neuro science and engineering which is housed in watts hall in the mcquade complex where the incident took place. I actually had taught a class a little bit down the road in evans lab from 8 00 to 9 00. I had gone back to my office and had made coffee and just started it when our building fire alarm went off. So everybody exited the building. It turned out it was a gas leak in some equipment in one of the research laboratories, so everybody was standing outside. The Columbus Fire Department turned up, the Columbus Police department i think came with them as well and firemen in full gear and breathing apparatus went in to check on this leak. After about, oh, probably 15, 20 minutes the firemen came out. Thats usually a sign theyve cleared the building and it is about time to go in. And i began to walk back a little bit east on west 19th towards the back entrance of watts hall there, which fronts on to that street. And as i was walking i suddenly heard a shout and then this tremendous crash, and it was a silver car, the perpetrators car that had mounted the curb and hit a large you saw them probably, one of those large concrete planters on the curb and bounced off, and that did enough damage to stop the car. And as it was stopping i assumed, because i wasnt really didnt really see it. As it was stopping it clipped the back of my right leg and basically flipped me up in the air and i landed on the concrete, which at my age is not what you want to do. So i was there and a little bit dazed and thinking how to get up, and meanwhile the perpetrator exited the vehicle on the other side, the road side which is the drivers side, and had begun to attack students. There was a lot of noise and a lot of shouting. However, i got up and with a number of students and some others made started to make progress towards the building, to get in the building and hide. And even as i was doing that, before i could get to the back end of the building, which was only probably 20 yards away, i heard the three shots that presumably were the ones that officer fired that took down the assailant. That was it. I went down into the basement of the building, which i know very well, and sat there and one of the students with me said, oh, youre bleeding. I said, yeah, well, ive got a little blood. He said no there were footprints of blood all the way down the hall. At that point they called one of the emergency i think it was the fire department, emergency technicians. They came down, they were fortunately already on the scene, and i was taken from there and transported to the Medical Center where i was extremely well looked after. So ive just been discharged this afternoon. Thats why i have yellow socks on and walking a little slowly, from what i usually do. Did you ever did you hear the assailant say anything during this time when you no, i never heard the assailant say anything. First of all, my injuries, i say ive got two severe i had two deep lacerations down here just above the right ankle towards the back. Those were closed in the operating theater, in the trauma center. And i also have some severe contusions down the lefthand side of the left leg which they were concerned might possibly be a fracture in the tibia or fib ya. And because of the amount of swelling they couldnt really determine and see the fracture until sometime today. So they have fortunately determined there is no fracture there, but it is sort of swollen and bruising so i am extremely apart from the leg trauma, obviously you dont do all of these rib muscles and Everything Else much good when you get shot up into the air like that. So morin convenient as im really sore and stiff in the ribs and back. At what point did you realize that this was an attack . Did you realize well, when the car you know, when the car hit and hit me, i didnt really know what to think. I thought maybe, you know, this is a traffic accident, but then there were people started shouting immediately, and i couldnt hear what they said but it was like, you know, panicked shouting. Obviously at that point i figured out it was more than just a car accident, yeah. You said your leg injuries, are those from stabbing or from im not entirely sure. I think the two cuts in the leg were actually from the vehicle. I think the vehicle hit the planter which basically destroyed much of the front end, and my impression is it left a lot of open, jagged metal work there and it was that that sliced the back of my leg. Theyre two parallel cuts about four or 5 inches long. What were you thinking when all of this i wasnt. You know, it just happened so fast. I turned to go back in the building and all of a sudden this bang and this car is there and i get flipped in the air. You know, it all happened so fast. Say literally at least it seemed to me, maybe the time frame is a little compressed but it seemed to me literally within 15, 20 seconds i heard the shots and it was over. And i didnt look around. I saw i think one other student who was hit you by the car and flipped up in the air, he was lying on the ground. But i didnt see any of the people who were stabbed because they were off to my what would you like to say to the person thats responsible for this . Well, i think, you know, at this stage until we really know all of the facts i prefer to hold judgment, you know. You know, he was an osu student. He was from yes, he was from somalia but he was an osu student, and having been a faculty member for 35 years im only too aware of the things that drive students sometimes to do things that they wouldnt ordinarily do. And so, you know, before i pass judgment on this young man i would like to see exactly what the circumstances are and exactly why he took the course of action that he chose to. And in the end of the day, as i said earlier, i mean i am sore but im going home this afternoon and hes dead. So i think, you know, my sense is out of respect just for the living and the dead that we should wait until we know exactly what the truth is. Reporter what will it be like to return to watts hall . Sorry . Reporter what will it be like to return to watts hall . Oh, im happy to go in there. In fact, my wife drove me there. I parked outside today, my colleagues were in a faculty meeting. You know, i dont feel watts hall itself wasnt threatened. This was a street accident and a street incident, and it was just unfortunate that because of this completely unrelated fire alarm there were a lot of people out there. It was also in my view very fortunate he hit this big kron crete planter, because if that had not been there and he had ridden up on the curb he would have plowed into 40 or 50 people. [ inaudible ]. I think it is very sad, i think it is very tragic when Something Like this happens at any university, you know. I mean i decided on a career in universities because, you know, i think theres some sort of calling there. You know, taking young people at 17, 18, youre trying to turn them into functional adults, and that doesnt just mean you train them in the classroom. Youre also trying to show them how to live life. So whenever anything like this happens, i think it is absolutely tragic. It is tragic for the people who are hurt, it is tragic for the young mans family and relatives. You know, they werent implicated in anything sinister. So i think it is just very, very sad. I think certainly especially on University Campuses of all places because those are the one places, you know, that you feel young people should be safe. Of. Reporter at the time of the crash i assume you didnt know that he had doesnt out of the car with a knife, or did you . At what point did you i think he got out of the car after he crashed. So i heard yes, i heard the crash and then i was on the ground just trying to get up, and there was sort of a little chaos here and i was on the drivers side of the car facing towards the rear. And he got out of the passengers i was on the passengers side. He got out on the drivers side, on the other side, and thats where he started attacking people out stored the street. All i heard was the shouting and the screening from the people standing there. I didnt hear him say anything at all. Did you see him and did you no, i didnt. I might have done but i wasnt aware of separating him from there were a lot of people around on the street. I say by the time the gunshots, i heard the gunshots i think he had taken off well down 19th avenue. Reporter professor, did you have any previous contact with him . Had he been in any classes or anything . No, i think he was a business major. Im an engineering major. It just so happened whether he was even in that building at all, because he drove along college and turned down there. So he may not have had any business or any affiliation with anything that went on in there, even though some of the classrooms in there are what we call pool classrooms which are shared by all kinds of disciplines across the university. No, i had never seen him before. Reporter did you hear what anyone was saying while they were screaming . Did you hear anyone say he has a knife . That was the kind of screaming, but i couldnt put my finger on any specific sentence that anybody said. But, sure, it sounded like people screaming because they felt threatened by somebody who was armed in some way, yes. Reporter the police are trying to figure out what the motive behind these attacks. Are you interested in the motive, too . Well, sure. You know, like i said before, i think i would like to see what all of the circumstances are that led to him doing this and all of the history that led up to it, whether theres an implication with stresses at school or with colleagues because, you know, he graduated from columbus state i think in the summer, the spring, and the picture of graduation shows j jubilant young man. So for this to happen four or five months later, yes, i would be very interested to know what all of the circumstances were. Reporter do you think he got radicalized from the internet . I know it is a guess from your part, but youre a professor, you work with students . Im a Research Professor so i like to make my guesses based on data, im afraid. Some, no, i dont know and im not going to speculate on whether he did or he didnt. There are all kinds of ways Something Like that could happen if he did, but until we find out i think that the fbi and the Columbus Police and so on are a better place to do that than me. Reporter have you heard in the last 30 minutes or so isis has taken responsibility for this attack . Well, you know, anybody can take responsibility for anything if they want, if they see it as a feather in their cap i think. So i dont think that to me it doesnt necessarily imply they were behind the planning or whatever. [ inaudible ]. No, because i dont until i know whether it was in fact behind it, until i know that this was something to do with a radical group and whether that is the entire story or whether theres some other personal family issues and social issues behind it, you know, i would withhold judgment. Reporter how far did you get into the building before you realized that you were i went down we went into the building in watts, down into the basement. There are a lot of rooms in the basement that i know very well. So probably 20 yards or so and, you know, my legs were sore but i didnt have any particular pain. I was surprised to see the cut. I was even more surprised to see the footprints, but it bled a lot. Reporter but you said you had flipped up in the air from the force of the car. Yeah, he just kind of took the it is like somebody taking your legs out from under you, yeah, yeah. Reporter professor, i know youre recovering yourself, but do you know i guess students probably look to people like you on campus. What would you want your students to know or what would you say to them . Well, you know, i have a group of students, the class im teaching is a group of our students and many of them were standing there when this took place. So, you know, im supposed to meet with them tomorrow. I hope i dont get in trouble for this but ive cancelled that class. I think when we meet on friday just to give them a little time to adjust to it because i saw some were extremely distraught. So i think we may talk a little bit about it on friday in class, open it up. I just hope people realize that as horrible as this is, you know, it is one of these isolated incidents where an enormous community at ohio state, where 50,000, 60,000, and terrible when Something Like this happens on a University Campus and, you know, University Campuses are vulnerable to that kind of thing because we are an open society so that young people can grow up and learn and make, you know, a certain amount of make some mistakes as part of growing up under controlled conditions. So i would tell them, i mean were still a great university, we still beat michigan and were going to the national championship. Were still in the top 20 in the University Rankings in the country, and this isnt going to change it. Reporter professor, what would you say to the officer that ended all of this very quickly . I thought about that. It turns out that my daughter knows him, friends, similar age. To me, if he was here i would put my arm around him and, you know, tell him he has a lot to cope with in the days to come. Hes got to live with this for the rest of his life, but he did he did the right thing. It is what he was trained to do and thats what he did. And who knows . A lot of people Walking Around between classes, who knows what other damage this young man would have done, and my understanding is that he was challenged three times to put the knife down and and i dont think he had much choice. Reporter one more question. Doctor, can you talk about the emotional i mean the physical part of this and then theres the emotional part of this for the victims who were injured. How difficult is it going to be for them, you know . They may close their eyes at night and see this repeatedly over and over again. Oh, i think thats a great question. I know we discussed this a little bit at some of the events yesterday. The event that chris mentioned thats this evening is, i think, a part of that healing, of trying to bring the Community Together with student leaders, faculty leaders, administrators and staff leaders to make those next steps towards healing. Sometimes this is something that time helps with, but then obviously there are other times when people need additional help, whether thats counseling, time off, whatever it may be. So actually a large part of what ive spent doing in my day today is working with our folks in the offices of student life, doing outreach to the students that were involved in the incident, making sure they understand the Counseling Services that are available. Weve been working for the students that were injured, working with their professors, getting them out of exams and classes and that sort of thing and making sure that notification goes out. It is something that time will help, but i think probably in some ways the entire university will be changed by this in some ways. But i think over time, much like any of these crises that occur, it gets better over time. But it gets better because we work together. You know, we are a city within a city i like to call it. We have over 50,000 students and tens of thousands of faculty and staff embedded in a city of well over a million people. We are used to coming together. Weve had other tragedies on campus in the past, whether it was students or faculty or staff, and i think this is certainly a very different one but something im quite confident we will be resilient and sidewalk. Reporter can the unicon firm the suspects major . I dont have that information. We dont have that information. Reporter what was your last name again, sir . The student i ran the statement for . Reporter professor. Clark, clark. Reporter do you have any response to the claim that isis has claimed response for the attack . No. Reporter can you tell us anything about one victim that was stuck by a bullet . No, theres a number of different reports out there about what exactly occurred but it remains an ongoing Law Enforcement investigation. Reporter is that patient at an osu hospital . That patient has been discharged. Reporter and it was a gunshot wound to the foot . Ill stay with chriss comment. It is still being actively investigated by the police. Thanks, you guys. Reporter so from the 11 victims, three are in the hospital still . Correct, three in the hospital still, one here and two at riverside. Reporter and the rest the rest have all been discharged. Thats the latest from the hospital there. The professor who, as so often they are, this is where it may be politics but when you say lets wait around and see what the investigation brings, whats our rush as the professor put it, im going back to School Tomorrow and he is going to the grave. He makes a good point there. We dont know yet whether when al qaeda says, he did this for or whether when isis says that whether theres truth at all. Whether you choose to believe isis rather than local investigators, thats up to you. I think the fact that the professor there, the only professor injured, said that the suspect who is now dead said nothing while shooting while running over people and then getting out, trying to knife them with a butcher knife. Kathryn heritage watched with us. Catherine, your thoughts on this and other matters . Thats an Interesting Data point at the very least because if you subscribe to the view that artan was radicalized online, and theres some indicators of that, one of the pieces of advice they give people is that when they launch an attack as soon as theyre out in the public to declare themselves as a soldier of the caliphate or a soldier of isis. When you think back to some of the successful attacks in the United States in the last year, whether it was 911 calls or statements of the victims, they declare it themselves and their allegiance to a terrorist group. That did not happen here, so thats kind of an anomaly in this picture of whether he was selfradicalized. The other thing as you rightly point out is just because isis says, pardon me, that theyre taking responsibility, i mean thats a big stretch to what i would call isisdirect attacks. Remember last week we talked about this continuum. Theres like isis inspired on one side and isis enabled in the middle where people get what they need to know online and isis directed which is most extreme. People should not make or jump to the conclusion this was somehow isis directed. As the professor said, all of this or 99 will be in artans electronics which the fbi is in possession of, and whether he was a consumer of this radical ideology or whether theres in fact evidence to suggest he had contact with an isis operative overseas who was encouraging him and ultimately directing him to take these steps, but we just dont see that at this point. It looks to be sort of on the lefthand side of the scale, if you will. If he was being directed, i dont know, maybe we should be thankful that the person if there were directions, they were very bad directions. You know, if you want to plan Something Like this, you certainly could if you were of that mindset and this was very poor execution by anybodys standards. You know what you typically see in isis directed attacks is they try to have some what i would call proof of connection so after the fact they can show a martyr dom video or photo or something that directly connects them to the suspect. We dont see that at this point and isis is certainly not offering, but that really whether it is directed or inspired, the bottom line is really this was it could have been so much worse as you said than how it turned out in the end. We all have to be really grateful for that. Man, i know i am. Catherine, thank you. Lets turn to tara mullin, former military analyst, friend of the program. Thanks, tara. Thanks for having me. Of course theres a fringe element that emails and says, call it what it is, he was a terrorist and he was inspired and hate all muslims, which is absurd and preposterous and dangerous and plays exactly into isiss wishes and wants. I know this for many reasons, but one is because youve been telling me that for years, that is exactly what isis wants. They want us to make this all one thing, muslims are bad, were fighting with them, now were in a war and we hate you. That will be our downfall they have assured us. Absolutely. I think we need to look at the evidence here and we need to see where it leads us. I think catherine is exactly right. Theres a spectrum of what it might be in the realm of terrorism. It might be this individual had other problems and happened to be reading propaganda online where a lot of this material is located and there might have been an element of that selfradicalization to it, but it doesnt mean that the individual is necessarily the attacker in touch with isis. It doesnt mean they had logistical planning and support or resources from isis. It means they may have come across some of the isis magazines, the horrific videos online that are leading people to become selfradicalized. It almost means, to be honest, the individual could have had other problems, other issues, psychological, personal problems. So we want to be cautious but we want to look at the evidence. One thing ill add to what catherine heritage was saying before is in one sense what were seeing is a new type of direction from isis is that they dont have direct contact with isis but in their materials theyre directing vilds to get if vehicles, to use knives. Theyre directing it in their material and thats what is being sort of the inspirational factor. The department of Homeland Security had a warning out on this exact issue because of some of these isis propaganda material in midnovember warning about potential attacks in the holiday season. In the big picture in the main, the beef is with these isis terrorists, not with any religion. After all the Somali Community in ohio has widely come forward today to vocally push down what he did and say how horrible it is. The Muslim Community there has similarly come out and said it is against all that islam is, please dont lump us all into one thing here because good muslims just like good christians and good ju jews, good nobody wants anything like this to happen. This is terrible. Absolutely. Isis tries to prey on vulnerable individuals on line. This is why it is critical that the fight of isis isnt about just gain territory barck, but t is about fighting them and getting this information off the internet. Appreciate it. As we learn more about the student behind ohios attack, we are also learning about the man who stopped him, the here owe cop. Trace gallagher with information on that. Trace, what great timing and a move. Reporter yes, 28yearold alan har utzgo. He almost did not become a cop. He initially went to osu to study engineering but told the University Newspaper later he wasnt as passionate about engineering as his classmates and he couldnt see himself sitting in a cubicle. You just heard from an engineering professor in the hospital who said he did not know him but his daughter also went to school with him, shep. And the officer also appeared in an active shooter training, though this wasnt an active shooter there was a training video. Reporter right. The training video is called surviving an active shooter, and it was aimed about a year ago. It is aimed at helping campus students and workers prepare for an attack. In the video you see him run to a police car, responding to a call just like yesterday. Then in the video, he and his fellow officers are seen confronting the armed man but the armed man in the video surrenders and lies on the ground. That did not happen yesterday. Witnesses say officer harutzgo told him drop it, get down or ill shoot and he ended up shooting. Thanks so much. President elect trump making good on his promise to repeal and replace obamacare . 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A live look at trump tower, the familiar golden elevators there, the president elect set to meet with mitt romney for the second time, this time over dinner. Hes meeting with other possible cabinet picks as well. Allies are debating, something we have never seen with the allies debating whether the pick should be or not. The former gop nominee repeatedly called out trump during the campaign, labelling him a phoney and fraud. Trump fired back at the time calling romney a choker for losing in 2012. A source familiar with the transition process tells fox News Donald Trump has chosen elaine choo to run the transportation department. She was the only cabinet member to serve all eight years of president bushs administration. Analysts say her confirmation should go smoothly after her years of service and given the fact she is married to senator Mitch Mcconnell, republican of kentucky. Peter doocey with news at trump tower. Do we know how close he is to picking secretary of state . We dont know how close, but we know mr. Trump is scheduled to meet with two people rumored to be on the secretary of state short list, possibly a third but were having a hard time getting information about the third person. The big headliner tonight will be mitt romney, who is coming over to dinner which is a first as far as we know for job seekers in the trump administration. His trip to manhattan closes out a day that included a visit from somebody who actually endorsed trump during the primaries, thats senator bob corker, the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and one of the prominent legislators to hit the trail with trump early in the summer. The mystery, the possible third person is rudy giuliani. He has been pitching himself through the press as the secretary of state, says he knows more about Foreign Affairs than anybody else the Transition Team is talking to, but the pool inside has been asking officials all day if rudy is coming by and they say they dont know the mayors schedule. Whoever the secretary of state is going to be may have just learned who two of their cabinet colleagues will be. You just mentioned congressman tom price nominated earlier, elaine chao expected to be nominated later on today. And trump threatening on twitter to jail people possibly who burn the flag, which obviously you cant do. Thats been settled law, it is settled law. Reporter right. We dont know what prompted this tweet because he didnt say within the 140 characters allowed, but it follows that incident at Hampshire College where somebody burned a flag and the school said theyre going to stop flying the American Flag all together. His opinion that contained this warning says this, nobody should be allowed to burn the American Flag. If they do, perhaps there should be consequences, perhaps loss of citizenship or a year in jail. The reason it called such a stir on the left is because it is not possible to strip citizenship as punishment for that, and the Supreme Court has weighed in previously and decided it is a constitutionally protected form of free speech. Speaking of speeches, we also learned today two days from now trump will kick off a victory tour in ohio. He will fill up a big arena, fill it with supporters to tell them thanks for helping me get elected. Yeah. Peter, you know that opposition is not just from the left. It is because it is settled law, it is because we have a constitution, it is because the First Amendment says, it is because the Supreme Court decided 30 years ago. Donald trump told us repeatedly much of what he says is just a suggestion in the first place. Who likes to see somebody burn a flag . It is horrible. But, you know, defend your right to do it to the death. Donald trumps pick for health and Human Services secretary could help pave the way for mitt romney to be secretary of state, thats according to our next guest. Why this guest says romney haters in trumps base could warm up to the onetime arch rival. How so . Well get to that next. Theres only one egg that just tastes better. Fresher. More flavorful. Delicious. Only one egg with better nutrition like more vitamins d, e, and omega 3s. And 25 less saturated fat. Only one egg good enough for my family. Because why have ordinary when you can have the best. Egglands best. The only egg that gives you so much more better taste. Better nutrition. Better eggs. More on the trump transition, joining now with michael bender, political reporter for the wall street journal. Hey, michael. Reporter hi, how are you . This appointment people more antiromney more for romney. Explain how it could come together. Reporter well, i think that i wouldnt as trump is considering his next secretary of state pick, the talk has been about loyalty and obviously about the harsh things romney has said about trump. I think trump can get by that pretty easily. The question is for his base. Remember, trump is a guy who said that his base wouldnt be upset if he walked out on 5th avenue and shot someone, so it is hard for me to imagine theyre going to draw the line at mitt romney on state. That said, trump is making a lot of picks along the way here that theyre going to be excited about. The defense team he has put in place, today tom price at hhs. s be hes been a leading voice in replace and repeal on obamacare in the house. Also, i think the important thing with price here too is today is kind of a nod to Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan. There is, you know, some chaos in trump tower but theres sort of a method to the madness here. We saw last week they announced the first two women on the same day, betsy devos of education and nikki haley as u. N. Ambassador. Today is kind of a nod to leadership in congress. You mentioned earlier elaine chao is Mitch Mcconnells wife. Tom price is a top ally of paul ryan, and theyve been working pretty closely over the years. This sort of brings all of the factions together . Reporter thats right, yeah. Im curious about your thoughts on Michael Flynn. General Michael Flynn as a National Security adviser. Most of you im sure know theres a National Security council, and those are all kinds of different voices about different opinions on how to approach something. For instance, do we bomb them, do we talk to them, and all of the things in between and all of the specifics. The National Security advisers job is to bring together all of those different opinions of these smart men and women, because smart people can disagree on the same thing, and give the president those options and what they are so that the president can decide. There are a lot of people on both sides of the political aisle who are concerned that Michael Flynn will not be a voice of, here is what everybody says but, nudge, nudge, here is what you need to do. Your thought . Reporter well, you give a nice synopsis of what that job has been, but i do think it might be a little bit a little bit presumptious to assume trump is going to use any of these positions how they have been used. Michael flynn has been a longtime ally of donald trump. He was at all of the rallies, as you know. You know, part of this is trump surrounding himself with people but, michael, in the role of National Security adviser, and i ask this because, you know, traditionally it is the National Security adviser who tells the president , here are your options, now choose at a moment when we could be, for instance, on the brink of nuclear war. It is not like that hasnt happened. It happened in the bay of pigs. For instance, Michael Flynn, just a series of fact so you have information on this, you can make up your own mind, he said that fear of muslims is rational. He accused Hillary Clinton of having of sex crimes with children. He wrote an oped in the conservative hill magazine and called turkey one of the United States strongest allies in the middle east and cast gated the medias coverage of president erdogan there. Of course, president erdogan jailed thousands of his political opponents, he supported hamas and isis. By the way, general flynns Consulting Firm was paid as a lobbyist for turkey at the same time. One more thing, while our friends in nato were boycotting president putin of russia, russia paid Michael Flynn to go over to russia and speak in a number of different speeches, had him photographed with president putin. That photograph went out everywhere. In other words he was playing the russians against the United States, and he was sitting over there in russia doing it. Is this the kind of person he would want in the sort of traditional role of the National Security adviser, michael . Reporter well, the obviously answer is yes, it is. It is the exact person he wants in that role. The things you just outlined there would be i mean this is a good reason, the major reason why flynn is National Security can adviser instead of secretary of state, secretary of defense, some position that needs to be approved by the senate. That would be very difficult, those questions would be raised but he can just go right in there. Reporter correct. Because no Senate Approval necessary, sit next to the president and as others in the past have done and say, here are your options from these National Security advisers, these people of great knowledge who have studied this matter and have been part of other governments and the rest and seen the way other nations react and act, and they would say, here are your options, you could blow them up, you could talk to them, you could do something in between, here are your options, mr. President , you make the decision. Instead, the fear among his critics is he will go in and say, yeah, lets fill in the blank, whatever he thought, and thats where we would go. Reporter yeah, i think trump is bringing him in there, putting him in that position in order to because he likes his opinion. He likes flynns fighting spirit and i trusts his judgment and respects his military career. Yeah, i mean he selected him as National Security adviser. I think his opinion and his input is going to be influential by definition in the trump administration. Yeah, i think that was my point. Michael bender, who is political reporter for the wall street journal. Great to see you. Thanks, michael. Reporter thanks a lot. One analyst called it trumpphoria, our 401 k s on a winning streak since the election. A live look at the dow today. It does not disappoint. Down this morning, up this afternoon. Not a lot, but dont look a gift horse in the mouth. Well look at the is it the trump effect on our money . Thats next. Picking up for kyle. Here you go. You wouldnt put up with part of a pizza. Um. Something wrong . So when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day . You want the whole thing . Yes, yes live whole. Not part. Aleve. Turns out shoppers spent very well, thank you, on friday. Sales from black friday and thanksgiving, the day after, jumped 9 from last year. Thats according to first data which analyzes payments from almost a million merchants. Analysts say online sales jumped more than 10 , instore purchases up about 8 . First data reports the most popular items this black friday were electronics and appliances, while sales of sporting goods, books and music took a bit of a hit. Stocks recovered from a rocky start today and back on the rise. A live look at the dow, having a good run since the election, up about 4 1 2 . The nasdaq at an alltime high. Adam shapiro is here. What is this. Reporter part is the trump rally. A lot of experts were saying we would crash after the election and we did not. The question is do we have much more room to go up. What the analysts are saying, again the same people that said we would crash, said there isnt much room to go up. They said by the end of the year s p 500, 22. 09, just about there right now. If you are looking at 401 k , you can smile as long as you were in a good old fashion index fund tied to the s p 500. If you are moving in and out of stocks it will be very tricky because earnings going into the next quarter, thats the key. If youre buying stock and selling stock, if you are playing the game, make sure youre playing this right. It is going to be tricky going forward. Volatility coming. It is coming, absolutely. Looks like it. Look at caterpillar, it is down today and it should be a stock going up because were going to spend money on infrastructure. None makes it sense to me. Thank you, adam. What is your College Football rivalry . That makes sense. The once we believe is the very biggest started on this day in history. See if you agree up next before we hit the top story at the top of the hour, your world with kne neil cavuto. Hi mom oh, hi sweetie how are you . Give a Keurig Brewer this holiday and they will think of you everyday. 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This is one we think is the biggest one. Army had to call in volunteers to play since it didnt even have a team. In the first game at west point, the navy crushed army 240. A few years later the rivalry was apparently so intense the president had to get involved. Grover cleveland called a Cabinet Meeting after an admiral and a general almost got into a duel. Officials banned the teams from playing each other in the future. Thankfully, that didnt last. The two teams set to play each other next saturday. The navy has beaten army 14 years in a row, as the military academies continue a tradition that began 126 years ago today. America always wins in that game. I would like to see it a little more even shall wouldnt you . When news break out, we break in because breaking new changes everything on fox news channel. Go army, go navy. Beat everybody else. Your world with cavuto is coming up now. Thank you, shepard very much. The scene out cytohair International Airport earlier today, a lot of people striking there for what they call a living wage. They want it up to 15 an hour. These are hourly workers. The airport pays them, not the airlines at least directly. Their beef was the fact theyve been working a long time as airport cleaning hands, wheelchair attendants, baggage handlers oraa cyst the baggage handlers and they felt they should get a bigger slice of the pie here that would essentially be for some of them a doubling in their wage, for some of them a few dollars more. Lets just say you do not want to mess with coverage of such an event when it involves jeff block trying to get to