>> mango steens. >> mango steens. what are they? investigators say they're exploring the possibility of a bomb hidden in fruit. on board the malaysia airlines jet. now, oscar winning "lord of the rings" director peter jackson has donated his gulf stream jet to help in the search effort. australian firm confirms a private plane is helping, but search teams still have not found a single sign of the missing jet. that has investigators checking out every possible lead, no matter how unusual. police in malaysia say they questioned farm workers about the jet's cargo of mango steens, a tropical fruit, i've learned, in the last 45 seconds, in case somebody hid a bomb in a box. of course, we haven't seen one bit of evidence that the jet blew up. but as the passengers' families get more desperate, so does the hunt to find answers. the australian prime minister is calling it one of the great mysteries of our time. >> just, just awful. just awful. to lose a loved one is terrible. but to have a loved one disappear in such circumstances, in such mysterious circumstances, is just devastating. and it must be almost unbearable for those families. >> you know it is. the prime minister promised searchers will do everything they can to find the jet, even as investigators admit we may never know what actually happened. so they were searching first about 1,000 miles offshore, right, and then they moved the search, and now they've searched all of that, been finding things, and they moved it again. why? because they didn't find anything in the last spot. i guess they got a whole ocean to cover. this is kind of pathetic. >> well, yes, shep, it's been going on and on, at this point, as you know. they're calling this all a criminal probe, even at this point investigators say they've not ruled out a mechanical malfunction of the plane. not only does the police chief say they've looked at all 227 passengers aboard the plane to see if there were any indications they may have sabotaged or hijacked the plane, and so far, they've all been cleared. >> as we said earlier, only the passengers have been cleared. the rest, no. >> now, the focus of the investigation is the cabin crew, which included captain zaharie ahmad shah and his co-pilot fariq hamid. the investigators assisted malaysian investigators with the flight same later the pilot had at his home. and up to this point, there have not been any red flags for the pilot or co-pilot. >> there hasn't been anything found. anywhere they look, they don't know where to look, they finally admitted to that. they don't know how fast it was flying, how high it was flying. they don't know why it was flying wherever it is, and they had an area for reasons they've gone through they thought might be the right place, searched it all, and sort of moved it willy-nilly. what are they doing? >> you're right, shep. it's all over the place. a lot of the search is based on assumptions. for example, one of the assumptions is the radar information that picked up an airplane flying west was even this plane. as far as the search goes, it has moved further east today. we're putting it on the map. ten planes and nine ships searching. area they were searching today is this area in yellow. it's west-northwest of perth. the areas in gray have already been searched. the coordinating agency has been refining the search area, based on continuing analysis of satellite communications and aircraft performance, and it's been analyzed by the international crash investigative team. but searchers have still found nothing. >> plenty of frustrating, because we're trying to help everyone out. we want to get out and find something as much as everyone else does. but morale is still pretty high. we're happy to be here and doing the best we can. >> both tough conditions at sea and, shep, the lack of information about the plane's actual flight path have made this challenging search still nothing. >> thank you very much. let's get to perth, australia, and a reporter for "wall street journal," daniel stacy is there. daniel, it sounds like they have no idea what they're doing or why. >> reporter: yeah, shep. one of the issues here is they have searched the area a number of times now. the information about why they've done that is vague. the aircraft was faster than in the past, so it would have splashed into the sea in a spot different, but the area is the same size at arizona, so they're not pinpointing much here. >> is there a sense now that much like security in our airports, they're just doing this for our edification? is it possible that you could be more accurate in figuring out a general location that this thing might have gone down by strapping the world on a dartboard, blind folding yourself, tossing one up there? it seems like they don't have a clue. >> yeah, i think there is some sense now that hope is fading, and even people who are in charge of the -- of the search are starting to make those statements. i mean, there was a new -- very senior air marshal in australia who was brought in to sort of take over the search a few days ago. he said it was very inexact science, that they were using to try to find this plane, and that was the best they had. he also compared it to the sinking of the "hms sydney," which was a ship that took 60 years to find on the bottom of the sea. he sort of put it in perspective with those comments. >> and yet, given all that you've said and all that we now realize, that they were completely without form and void from the very beginning here, if that's the case, is there a sense for how long they're going to continue this? i mean, could you just keep flying planes and floating ships out there for years with nothing until a seat washes ashore somewhere, who knows where? >> that's one of the things, as hope is sort of fading, they're ramping up the number of planes and boats that are out there. so there is some questions around why they're doing that. i mean, a lot of it is coming from china. i think china's retasked three ships that were doing anti-piracy work off the east coast of africa to this search area. so i think everyone is continuing the search in so long as it's a diplomatic priority in the region. yes, i don't know whether or not they have much chance of finding anything at this point. >> a diplomatic priority in the region. sounds like that's on point to me. thanks very much, daniel stacey from "wall street journal." his article is available at wsj.com. they've been leading the way on this thing. thankfully, somebody has. the supreme court with a major decision today on how much money can donate to political candidates. it's confusing a little bit, so we'll lay out exactly what it means. also, i was reading the papers this morning and i cam across this article about the future of money, or more specifically, the future without any money. no banks, no credit cards, no british sterling, nothing like that. something entirely new. think of it this way. has social media changed our communications, this could change the transactions. a whole new game. the details. think it's possible? 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>> if the conservative side of the court is the one that won this argument, then you'd think conservatives and republicans are the ones happy with this? is that right? >> well, not uniformly. there are some discenters. but there's been plenty of heat from capitol hill. many are calling this the end of democracy. the right says it's a clear first amendment victory. here is senator bernie sanders, an independent, from vermont. >> what they have said is that it is absolutely appropriate for a handful of billionaires to play a dominant role in electing senators and house members and the president of the united states. >> not so, says senate minority leader, republican mitch mcconnell. he says the court got it right. >> so i can understand why the political left doesn't like decisions like citizens united and mccutcheon, because they expand the playing feel. they enable more citizens to be involved, more citizens to contribute to the candidates and causes that they believe in. that's good for america. >> shep, i know you won't find it surprising i've gotten press releases from lawmakers on the hill who say they're drafting legislation, because they oppose the opinion they got today from the supreme court, and they're going to a way around it. shep? >> all right, shannon, thanks. the ousted president of ukraine says he was wrong, that he should not have let russian troops invade crimea. and he says he'll try to persuade russia to leave crimea. that should go perfectly. in an interview with the associated press, the deposed president called the situation in crimea a major tragedy. he says he hopes to negotiate with putin for ukraine to take back the region, and i quote, we must set such a task and search for ways to return to crimea on any conditions so that crimea may have the maximum degree of independence possible, but be part of ukraine. he went on to say he hopes to return to ukraine some day, but he did not say how he might try to reclaim power. the cleanup is under way after last night's deadly earthquake and tsunami in chile. the geologists say it was an even bigger quake that could be on the horizon. so the question is, when? that's next on "shepard smith reporting." you ain't seen nothin' yet. 18 minutes past the hour. geologists say they're expecting a bigger earthquake in chile after an 8.2 rumbler rocked the country last night. only problem is, nobody knows when the larger quake will hit. we have some photos of the damage from last night's quake in our slide show today. these are people who gathered on the top floor of an apartment building as a tsunami approached with reported seven-foot waves. it happened in aquike near the earthquake's epicenter. the tsunami ended up doing a number on a lot of boats, and i wish we had video to show you, because the video is really good. you should go online and take a look at it, a port city. and then a still shot of a fire that broke out at a local restaurant. and this one shows the military vehicle patrolling the streets. i know it's really dark and things. and this one here, you can see rescuers getting ready to help folks who are in need. officials say at least six people died in the earthquake, some of them from heart attacks. meantime, hundreds of thousands of people along the coast are returning to their homes now that the tsunami warnings are over. [ sirens ] amateur video from a port city in northern chile last night, shows folks gathering outside, headed for higher ground. again, like i said, let's check out video online, because it's really good. let's move over to the wall. u.s. officials say the earthquake struck before 9:00 last night local time, about 60 miles north and west. geologists say chile is one of the most earthquake-prone places in all the world. you can see up there where it happened. that's because off the coast, there are two tectonic plates that push against each other, and it creates a lot of pressure. they say the pressure has been building, and chile is due for a much more powerful seismic event, one that researchers say could happen 50 years from now or tomorrow. our chief meteorologist has more on the tectonic plates. first, to will carr out in the west coast news hub. what are we learning about this earthquake, will? >> well, shep, the experts are telling us that this earthquake could have been much worse if it hadn't hit so deep in the ocean -- six miles deep to be exact. it still forced about 900,000 people to evacuate. there were large power outages, landslides, damage at an airport. the president of chile has declared a state of emergency after the 8.2 quake. since then, there have been more than 20 aftershocks. >> anytime we have a quake anywhere, any size, there's when a 5% chance -- one out of 20 -- it's a foreshock. by the time it gets to 24 hours afterwards, it's down to 1%. >> so, shep, not an immediate threat of having a much larger earthquake. >> one in panama, too, right? >> that's right. it was a 5.8 earthquake. but i can tell you, experts we've spoken to say it's highly unlikely that the earthquake in panama today and the earthquake last night in chile are related. that's because of the distances between the two. they do say that we are seeing a cluster of earthquake activity right now beyond chile and panama. we, of course, had the two recent earthquakes in southern california. but they say most likely all three are not linked. they say that the 5s and 6s you see are common. it's the 8s that are not common, shep. they say you really only see about one eight a year. >> hundreds of little earthquakes over the past couple of weeks, will. let's get to rick who has more on this seismic activity off the coast of south america there. rick, it's been a mess down there. >> it has been a mess. a lot of people in the u.s. wonder what kind of impacts does this have for us and the earthquake we saw in southern california last week. i have to tell you, across california, that fault line there is a slide-slip fault line they call it, and those produce very strong earthquakes, the strongest we've ever seen in california was a 7.9. this one here, compared that to an 8.2 in chile. so we don't generally see as strong of earth kwabs here. the tsunami-producing earthquakes happen where the two plates come together, where the strongest tsunami-producing ones, where they come together, and it is -- one of the plates goes underneath the other plate. that's what happens with this plate off the coast of chile. it produces these tall mountains, some of the tallest mountains in the world occur here across the andys between chile and argentina. this, i will tell you, obviously a big concern for us when you think about the tsunami waves. when a tsunami is generated down here across the southern part of the ocean of the pacific ocean, and it continues to pull out across the ocean, it does produce that tsunami. but that energy from it is displaced across such a large area. so, shep, if you've ever been to a lake and you've been thrown -- a rock into a lake or a pond, the initial wave is much stronger as it generates out across the lake, it is not as strong. this is the tsunami issued yesterday -- or that was generated from that. and i will tell you, we did see about a 1.8 water rise in hawaii, and a couple inches in california. 2010, worth noting, they had an 8.8 earthquake right there, and it was a bit of a tsunami in san diego of about one and a half feet. >> all right, rick, thank you, sir. folks in the u.k. are dealing with something we've seen a lot of lately, at least in china, disgusting smog. british health officials say some of the pollution is from a storm in the sahara desert. they say it's a mix of industrial pollution and the sahara dust. one guy on a bike wore a mask, apparently to help him breathe, or just as a fashion statement, who the hell knows? 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investigators bringing in new tools in an effort to find the jet. new tools. they say they will use a nuclear-powered submarine to scan the sea floor for any signs of wreckage. that could help search teams get around one of the biggest challenges in the indian ocean, the nasty weather. >> the folks that are searching atwater level, sea level, it's very difficult, it's rough, lots of whitecaps, rain, cloud. and, you know, it's very, very difficult to spot debris. >> and it's all just a bunch of hooey, because you can only search a few square miles a day, and they don't have any idea where this is. here's why i say that. first, they searched here, and then they searched here. and now they searched over here. this is about the size of nebraska. now they're searching here. why are they seening here? because they didn't find anything here. how do they know it's not here? or here? they don't have any idea. they have guesstimates, speculation, they have thought. they do not know, but they're taking that tool out there and flying all of the planes around in areas that they know nothing about. so the high-tech tools could be a complete waste of time if they can't narrow down this huge area where the jet might have crashed. so far, they can't do it. trace gallagher is live for us out in the west coast newsroom. i don't want to be pessimistic, buddy be but we deal in facts around here, and the fact is, fox can confirm they have no idea what they're doing. >> that's exactly right, shep. they're bringing in the next weapon, "the tireless," the nuclear sub, because it has the extra sonar capabilities to pick up the pings from the black boxes. the problem is the sub has to be within a mile of where the ping originates to actually hear it, and when you're talking about 150,000 square mile search area, you would need a whole lot of luck for that. now, when the batteries on the black boxes finally do die, the next step would be to use the unmanned subs. they have what they call side s sonar to pick up unusual objects on the seafloor. they can stay down 19,000 feet for up to 24 hours a time. they do not stream data back to the surface. they -- they have to be brought back to the surface and the data unleaded. i want to quickly mention the reason that the director, peter jackson's, plane is being used, the gulfstream, is because it's ultrafast, flies near the speed of sound. it's also capable of ultralong hauls, so they're using it to relay messages between the search crews that are spread out over that vast search area, shep. >> the families are under -- are understandably mad as they can be. they're getting to talk to some of the investigators now, huh? >> well, they are. and they're talking to the authorities. they're frustrated because the reason you just said. they have no idea what the information is. the mathematical models keep moving the search, and therefore, the families are not getting the concrete evidence they want. there's clearly an impasse between the authorities and the families. i want you to listen now to both perspectives after they met today. play this. >> -- a very good meeting with them. we answer all their questions. i cannot give you the specifics of the meeting, because it is a closed-door meeting. >> translator: if they can really provide us with convincing technical information, that would be really helpful, but the fact is, they didn't give us any convincing information. >> authorities say a great meeting. families say, no information at all. they're not on the same page. they're not even in the same book. >> maybe not even in the same ocean. thank you, trace. good to see you. so the feds have searched through americans' e-mails and phone records without warrants. they've done it. that's the word now, all of a sudden, from the top intelligence office, james clapper. we got this letter he sent to congress. he said federal law allows the warrantless searches. he says the foreign intelligence surveillance court signed off on them, as long as they're part of investigations of foreign terror suspects, and the judge says for that he ought to lose his job and go to prison. fox news senior judicial analyst judge napolitano is here. why is that on point? >> director clapper testifying before the senate select committee on intelligence answered a question, does the nsa gather large amounts of information about americans by saying, no, that was a lie then, it's a lie now. >> listen to the lie, as the judge puts it. listen. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are casing where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> why do you say he was lying there? >> because the letter he sent to congress, to which he referred a few minutes ago, dated march 28th and released yesterday, admitted that they roam through the content of phone calls and the content of e-mails and the content of text messages without a warrant. in direct contradiction to what he said to that senate committee. that was senator widen interrogating -- senator widen knew the answer was a lie at the time he gave it, because senator widen had been briefed in secret and private by dr. clapper and his staff. he gave clapper the opportunity to change his testimony publicly, in writing, under oath, and the director declined to do so. yesterday, when the letter was released -- he sent the letter last week -- he either directly or inadvertently acknowledged that that testimony that you just ran was a lie. for that, he should be prosecuted. the government prosecuted roger clemens for allegedly lying about the contents of his urine before a house committee, and they're not going to prosecute this guy about allegedly lying over the most massive government orchestrated violation of the fourth amendment in the united states. >> what are we supposed to do about this? we have known for years now that they -- they troll our e-mails and phone calls. they have apparently lied to us about it for years now. they've apparently lied to us under oath about it, in front of representatives whom we have elected to take care of our rights for us. what are we supposed to do? >> congressman jim sensenbrenner of wisconsin, who claims to have been -- because this was done in secret -- >> everything's done in secret, except my phone calls. >> -- the author of the patriot act, has said the patriot act was never intended to authorize this kind of warrantless spying. congressman sensenbrenner wrote to attorney general holder two months ago saying, you ought to investigate this guy for perjury. congressman sensenbrenner wrote to attorney general holder yesterday after the letter came out, saying he's now admitted to the perjury. would you please investigate him, that's what you're supposed to do. working for the government is not a defense to lying to congress. >> and what's the response been? will they investigate? >> the attorney general has not answered as far as i know. >> i bet roger clemens wish he had as much. >> yes. >> because roger clemens was, what did you say again, lying about the -- >> roger clemens was tried twice for lying about the contents of his urine. he denied it, and eventually acquitted. this guy -- general clapper, a retired general, director of national intelligence -- has apparently lied and admitted it over the massive spying, and he's not been charged for the crime. something's wrong with the system. >> under oath? >> i don't know that he was under oath, the crime of lying under oath, not before under oath, before congress, the punishment is the same. >> and the punishment is if convicted? >> five years per lie. >> minimum? >> no, that's the maximum. >> that's what you get? >> five years per lie. he probably told two lies in his answer to senator widen. no, sir, and not wittingly. of course, it was wittingly. of course, it was intentionally. according to the letter yesterday, they intentionally went into this stuff knowing they didn't have warrants for it. >> and the man asking the question, our representative in congress, knew that what he said at the time was a lie, is what you're saying? >> yes, but he had taken an oath not to discuss it in public. >> had he? >> he complied with that oath. what should general clapper have done? he should have said, "senator, i am not able to answer that question in a public arena for you," instead, he told a lie. >> thank you, judge. >> you're welcome. three months into her new job and the new head of general motors faced grilling from the lawmakers about why her company failed to do something wrong about glitches in a vehicle. she now says it's a culture problem, that it's in the past. not everybody agrees. of course, they're protected by bankruptcy now, aren't they? i don't just make things for a living i take pride in them. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis was also on 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the bankruptcy to create a new culture at general motors, to be focused on the customer, starting with rewriting our values. >> used to be a cost culture focus, she said. now it's a customer focus, rewriting our values. which would presume that in the future, if they knew something would kill people, they'd tell us. but some lawmakers say not a thing has changed. one senator today pointed out that even under the new gm banner, as the senator put it, the company waited months to recall vehicles despite having plenty of evidence to make the decision. maria bartiromo is now on the fox news deck, on fox business network and "sunday morning futures" here on fox newschannel. these people are in a mess. >> they really are. up until now, it has been a p.r. nightmare getting worse. you know, you hate to even call anything a p.r. nightmare when there are people who died. >> yeah. >> and there are fatalities involved. but that's what it has been so far. you made the right point, i think, before you went to the break and saying bank of super tech, because these wrongful death suits will not be able to be successful -- >> no. a different company. >> -- a different company. >> that's why they reorganized. >> after '08 and '09, a different company. the government can still drag this out. the government can still levy a fine. and let's not forget loss and market share. a lot of people have spoken with today are comparing this to toyota and the last time toyota had all of those vehicles recalled. and they lost a lot of market share. people are expecting gm to lose two points of market share. that's going to knock them down quite a bit in terms of their competitive position. again, it's difficult to talk about competitive position and business when you are talking about people who have actually lost their lives. >> you have to. >> but you have to. that's what we're trying to assess here. probably a fine, people are talking about the toyota fine, toyota that paid $1.2 billion. there could be a fine the government levies. it could go as high as $1 billion for gm. there are real ramifications here beyond this p.r. nightmare that the new ceo is facing. >> lest our memories fail us, we sat in this same space, in a different environment, in 2008 and 2009, when our government forced in a matter of one week gm into bankruptcy. the quickest -- at the same time, the most complicated bankruptcy in history. you say my sister or your brother died in one of those cars, and you have recourse and you want to sue because a company knew something could happen and did nothing about it, who do you sue? you don't. because that gm and this gm are two different companies. the gm that would be responsible no longer even exists. >> it's true. but i wonder if there's any culpability on the part of government. >> i do, too. >> because of the decision to put them in bankruptcy protection, and now all of th e these, you know, allegations and death lawsuits go away. it's actually extraordinary, that bankruptcy is protecting them at this moment in time. >> it is to me. here's the government. i'm government, am i responsible? no, i'm not, it has been said. >> yeah. but people -- people are mounting fingers, though. poem are looking to who the heck in government was running this company during bankruptcy, and did the culture actually change post-bankruptcy. >> and did the culture kill people. yeah.s the question back in the >> as the new ceo, who wasn't ceo then, put it today, did their cost culture kill people. >> and she admitted that, yes, they were a cost culture. >> she didn't admit they killed anybody. >> no. >> maria, see you sunday morning and every morning. >> thank you so much, shep. >> you have time to tweet us about the future of money. can you imagine you walk into a grocery store, you don't have a credit card, there is no checkout counter. you walk around, the grocery store who knows you are, and when you walk out the door with all that stuff, it 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i might ask the question to you. >> very good question. >> because so many of -- so many of us -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> -- if i were to back it up 20 years, when i'm sitting in a local newsroom in ft. myers, and you tell me that in 20 years we're going to be communicating on this thing called facebook and we'll be tweeting each other, i would never have believed we would change our -- and you're saying the same thing will very possibly happen with our money, right? >> it's certainly a possibility. the scenario that you kind of outlined was outlined in the article, there's this idea of matching up the trends of whereable computers, which right now are being used for tracking a lot of the medical and body metrics. but there's really no reason why our wallets cannot be also connected to it, or we can't have some kind of financial artificial intelligence that already knows what our preferences are, what we want to do, what currencies we want to pay in, what our rewards are at certain stores or service providers. so why should we even have to bother with wearing a wallet or carrying that around, when we can maybe have it as a bracelet or a ring or a watch or, like you said, a belt. >> and think of it, isn't there already -- it's not just bitcoin here. the american airlines frequent flyers miles, aren't they money? you can use them to buy things? you can use them to exchange them for plane trips or hotel rooms, or for cash. we already have this. >> that's right. on a regular basis, anytime i can, when i'm buying something on amazon, i will use my american express rewards points. to think i can buy books or new microphone or reverse osmosis water system with my american express rewards points. i mean, how can you not say that's not a currency? >> so the question is, add 25 years, do we even have to have a currency? and if we do have to have one, why do we have to have one? >> well, i think what we're seeing happening now with currencies and bitcoin is a reflection of this, is we want our currency to communicate more information than just the financial transaction. in the case of bitcoin and some of these future currencies, we're going to have the personal values embedded into the dna of the currency. people who use bitcoin have a certain set of beliefs. in the future, we'll have other currencies that have different beliefs. >> yeah. >> and so, one example is, if i have, like, certain types of belief, i believe in local currencies, local communities, and the local businesses, maybe there's a local community currency, which those exist today. >> yeah, yeah. >> and i'm going to a local business. and i'm going to say, hey, i want to pay for this, and the community currency, because by paying for this, i show i'm part of this currency, whereas if i'm traveling in europe, and i don't have the local currency, i can't say i'm part of that community and communicate that. >> all right, i love it. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. we have a weird satellite delay. so think of this. thank you, thank you. so think of this. the question of the day. you can also set your preferences with this nonexistent currency. tell it, for instance, i don't want to buy chocolate, because chocolate will make me fat. rob, you have them, right? who has them? chris has them. we've gotten tweets from you. what are they saying? >> so, shep, this person says new money is like the u.s. switching to the metric. it's not going to happen. we still use the penny. we are stubborn. >> that we didn't switch to the metric is criminal. go on. >> dale says, do you really want a world with no viable currency, with identity theft and hackers? i do not want -- >> but do i want no more fees from visa, no rich fat cat bankers skimming off the top? >> a good point. wayne says, i think we'll have a chip implanted and scanned. this is where the future is taking us. >> wayne found the chip. you're not supposed to find it, wayne. 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