0 butter knife to school. when will they learn? butter kills. andy? >> butter kills in deed. thank you. let's welcome our guests. i am here with kennedy. she is a special cory spawn department on -- correspondent on fox business network. dan bova who is "maxim magazine" editor-in-chief, bill schulz and reason magazine's editor-in-chief, matt welch. >> a block. the lede. that's the first story. i'm being held here against my will, america. >> so will crime drop with an armed block? well a texas-based group is providing shotguns to poor americans in dangerous neighborhoods. explains kyle copeland, the founder of the arm -- armed citizen project as they have more to fear crime begins to drop as a result. this week they give out their first gats that came with mandatory training. copeland hopes to arm an entire crime-ridden nation that guns make folks safer. can raccoons play the harp? that was a sprinkler with harp music. >> that was absolutely phony. we will change that. >> hi, kennedy. >> hi, andy. look at those blue eyes. normally you are behind a screen. >> is this a good idea or great idea? >> this is fantastic for the people of houston. actually it is a crime-ridden neighborhood and there are a lot of assaulted and rapes and it is nice to see single, elderly women who don't have a lot of means are being trained to use firearms. i worry it is some sort of backhanded racist experiment where someone is actually giving a bunch of poor people guns hoping they kill each other. >> really? >> yes, well that's what terrifies me. i see something like this and it smacks of cynicism. peta had a contest trying to give a million dollars to anyone who could come up with the synthetic chicken breast that tasted like real chicken. the rules were so prohibitive and confining that no one would ever be able to do it. that's the one thing i worry about. i don't think we have to be armed, but everyone should have the right to be armed. >> the armed citizen project on their website, they say people have asked if they are concerned about whether they might incur a potential liability. they say, quote, the short answer is, no, we will follow every applicable law and weapons will only go to those who qualify. what they are doing is they are covering the cost for a training session and for a shotgun for people who can't afford them on their own. what is wrong with that? >> nothing in particular. why does it always have to be a gun? the motivation is gun rights. the shotgun is a very effective effective -- kennedy has it in practice. they are trying to fight off an intruder. but it is not necessarily the only weapon in the world you can use. you don't have to use firearms. everyone should learn self-defense in the crime ridden neighborhoods, but there is a lot of varieties of self-defense. you can grow to krav-maga to learn how to hit people in the tess tau cals in five ways. guns lying around, they can be used for other purposes like shooting yourself in the head. >> your eyes lit up there. >> i was wondering if you were going to try one of the methods out on me being i am next to you. and if you got to, you got to. >> if they are able to arm an entire neighborhood and i have questions as to whether that will happen, what do you think the result will be? they say it will lead to lower crime. >> well, i have seen -- living in the suburbs i have seen a lot of arguments about your branch of your tree is over the fence. i am thinking if i had a shotgun in that moment, what would happen? the other thing i thought was a little weird about this program is they talked to a woman who was saying i get off a bus late at night and i will walk home and it is scary which is totally understandable. is she going to ride the bus with a shotgun? >> you can in texas. that's encouraged. >> you can actually ride shotgun? >> nice. >> thank you. >> bill, you defend your home, aka, the cardboard box where you sleep with a pair of children's scissors i don't think they are right handed. >> no, and they are dull. it is not a great weapon. first of all, a, so much for my chicken synthetic comparison. and b, i have not had a lot of experience with this, but in my mind if one was to start an experiment involving humans as guinea pigs, i would want to discuss it after the experiment was done and it was a success rather than before. >> at least are you being honest. >> i guess, but by not say something you could be honest. 23* it works, great, this works. they all end up killing each other, woopsie. >> right now i think they have given 10 guns out to 10 different people, and they say his idea is to arm this neighborhood. i don't think that is ever going to happen. >> i don't think it is necessary. i guess that was the point i was making. if you want to arm yourself, that's great. but it is not necessarily -- not necessary for everybody to be on. that's the difference between a libertarian point of view. everyone needs to be armed. if you want to be armed, arm yourself to the tee. if you want a silo of guns, if you want a cash of weapons, that's fine. i don't think that needs to be projected as an experiment, but having said that, single elderly women i would much rather thugs be in fear. >> no one is forcing these people to enroll in this program. it really is -- what it is doing is saying people who can't afford a gun because states charge -- the guns themselves are expensive and permits on top of that. all of these places now want taxes on them which may prevent poor people from arming themselves. so this group is saying we are going to help you out. >> and they are underlining the fact that ultimately the first responder isn't a cop. it is you. you have to take some responsibility or you are forced to take some responsibility, particularly in difficult neighborhoods. that's a perfectly great message. >> and the fact they are giving out shotguns, joe biden has to be happy about that. >> what was his advice? >> he gives a lot of advice. >> you know what i learned about dick cheney today? >> [bleep]. >> first of all we had to bleep that. >> we will pretend that never happened. >> i whispered it. >> we will move on to gays. he knows facts and selfish acts. chris clements thinks it is a bad idea for a -- for an nfl player to come out of the closet because it is self-center. a current player may reveal his his -- he is gay prompting clements to say who is this person coming out of the closet in the nfl? when asked to clarify he added, i am not against anyone, but i think it is a selfish act. they are trying to make themselves bigger than the team. clements also responded to charges of homo phobia saying nobody ever said anything about be a homophobic. some things should be 4re69 -- be left at home like proper grammar. the gay marriage debate rages on even here. >> business will get out of control and if it gets out of control we will be lucky to live through it. >> lucky he didn't have a shotgun. >> dut clemmons -- does clemons have a po nie t? remember jackie robinson being black. >> he has a point and has a right to be a silly person. this country just went from being pretty homophobic to being super tolerant in about 15 years? what was the time ellen came out on tv and that was supposed to be a big deal, and now everybody wants to gay marry quarterbacks. >> 1999. >> that is great and high five to all of us. the more gay marriage the better at this table or wherever. >> thank you. >> so why do we then need to go trolling for every testosterone-laden locker room where we will get people there not because they have great grammar, but because they can murder quarterbacks? and he is kind of right in the sense that if someone does come out it will be a media circus and the focus will be on him and not the team. he has a point. >> a couple days after these original tweets he tweeted again saying it just don't have to be a big announcement. that's all i was trying to say. is that a fair point that he is saying i don't care if someone is gay? >> it is a lot of build up. when anderson cooper came out of the closet and went -- and then eventually with the 15th nfl player that comes out or the mlb and who ever it is, they will have the same reaction. now that the infantry is all loosey goosy, this is the last legit myselfed homo phobia. and it may be a big deal for a moment, but he is being selfish. i agree with you about bringing somebody's race or height or temperament into the locker room. things you can't change yourself. >> i think kennedy makes a good point here. 15 years from now or two years from now, if a bunch of players and a bunch of sports come out, it is eventually not going to be a big deal. the first is always a big deal, isn't it? >> it is. but i think the main point of all of this is athletes should just stop tweeting. all you are going to do is write something stupid or send somebody a picture of your wiener and it will just cause trouble. >> especially for bill because he gets excited. i see the guy's point, but put in an inelegant way. >> it is like what i just said. >> the general rule is if you have to tweet eight times to clarify what you said in your first tweet you shouldn't tweet. >> or ted kennedy and wouldn't have said that. >> no. >> that was a plug. >> no it wasn't. he was a seattle seahawk. and my grand father. >> do you think you will ever be able to be open in a locker room? >> i hate to do his job, but i don't recall jackie robinson ever saying he was black. >> i think he did. >> i don't think he did. his whole point was that in brooklyn we go hard. and begin p again i have only seen the trailer, but that is the message. >> he is a fictional character. >> that's why everyone is wearing the number. finally we realize that brooklyn doesn't go soft. brooklyn goes hard. thank you. and as far as this point is concerned, the guy that said -- first leaked none mussily that he was thinking of coming out in the nfl he did it for this reason. he was testing the waters he has seen that the waters are going to be granted we are talking about one tweet, so maybe that won't discourage him, but it it is absolutely why he is about to go out. it is like beyonce releasing a soft schedule beforehand. >> or pretending she had a baby. >> it won't be that rough. this guy will be shouted down and now he is on the defensive saying i am not homophobic. i think the guy will come out and it won't be a big deal. >> can we wildly spec plate who the gay player is? >> you can and then we willed dit it out later jie. what if we rhyme shmom-s 4* -- shrady. >> i wish he was a homo fob because i already hate him. >> that means gisell se on the market. >> that means gisell se gay. >> she is from brazil. >> should straight athletes keep that out of the locker room? >> i don't want to hear about yore het -- about your het row sexuality. >> there is a "red eye" locker room? >> there is not? >> there is a leg cam and is there a wienus cam i don't know about? >> you think i dress like this all day? i have to change after the show. >> from sell fishing acts to self-reflection. are they more prone to criticize their own? a new gallop poll shows republicans are far more willing to find fault with their own parties than democrats are. 26% of righties surveyed said the gop was too inflexible while 50% of democrats found no flaws or had no opinion on the matter. the chief complaint was the gop -- about the gop was it is inflexible followed by charges that it protects the wealthy and not the middle class. the most popular was spending too much. speaking of self-reflection. >> stupid dog. cats would never do that. remember dan is on the panel, do not use big words. >> here i go. matt welch wrote a fantastic column in the issue of "the death of a con terror -- contrarianism." it is about trying to be popular and neutering the new public by taking out the contrarian element which is leftism and the democratic party which is a healthy and wonderful thing for both parties and washington. that is the only way the people actually grow. and democrats, they don't really need to self-criticize right now because they just re-elected jimmy carter for the third time. it is a miracle. but if you go on facebook just read what some of your liberal friends are saying. they are very partisan and very apologetic and completely out of touch with reality. >> 19% of republicans said there is nothing they disliked about their party. 37% of democrats said the same thing about their party. is that actually dangerous about the democrats? >> absolutely. there was a thing going on about our friend julian sanchez launched three or four years ago , epistemic closure. and he had a point and there is something to that everyone talking in their media bubbles and at each other have lost the idea of internal criticism. that is happening on the left right now. the right and the republican party which i will never join is having a more interesting conversation with itself right now than we have seen any party have in a really, really longtime. probably since bill clinton and the democrats started challenging the old jimmy carter orthodoxy. the more intellectual action and curse me for saying is among the conservatives and republicans. it is a shame. >> i completely agree. so dan, does this self-reflection in the gop, does it spell future success for the party or doom for the party or absolutely nothing? >> listen, i am the editor of "maxim magazine." i am not going to be able to say anything nearly as smart as what he just said. >> i went to you, sir, for a reason. in light of that, something in german. >> schulz. >> there you go. >> bill, last word to you. >> the republicans are more critical of themselves than democrats just like mets fans are more critical than yankie fans. the scoreboard dictates as such. but it is always a pattern. they used to have a column. it was the bush white house and it was self-flach lating stuff. it works when you dooy serve it. right now the republicans deserve some of the soul searching. you remember when they hated on themselves. >> yes pre 1992. >> i was born in 92, y'all. the doogie houser of fox news, count it. >> in 2004 that was happening. democrats were like, what is wrong? >> exactly. >> after the mid-term elections we were hearing that. should point out quickly, 100% of the people in the survey said they loathe you. that went across the board jie. they don't like doogie houser. >> i have to move on. don't challenge my facts. >> what did people do before staplers? the history of the paper clip 1700 to 1800. first, what perks do the gitmo detainees enjoy in -- enjoy? you are watching "red eye" on fnc. stick around.