And fox nation host, tomi lahren. Fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. In the center seat, what . Tom shillue fox news contributor, and hes outnumbered. Tom once again. And its good to be outnumbered. Harris you are so independent on this Independence Day tom i am. You never know what im going to say melissa thats terrifying [laughter] harris we shall see happy everything. Tomi, great to see you tomi good to be on the east coast harris i cant wait for the commercials where we can catch up. Tomi i enjoy being here and your humidity. [laughter] harris your hair is perfection tomi i just cant move and we are good. Its good to be on your coast. Harris all right, lets get to it. The president sounding themes similar to what we heard in his 2016 campaign, calling out his political enemies like Hillary Clinton while also leaning heavily on an economic and Border Security message. The president is also looking to contrast his conservative populist agenda with that of democrats. Watch. Our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice, and rage. They want to destroy you, and they want to destroy our country as we know it. Not acceptable. Its not going to happen. Democrats want to splinter us into factions and tribes. They want us divided. Not going to happen to the republicans anymore. As we fight to make life better for all americans, the Democrat Party has become more radical, more dangerous, and more unhinged than at any point in the modern history of our country. A vote for any democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism, and the destruction of the american dream. Harris but and theres always a but Washington Post columnist henry olson says pulling the base, or to the base, is a losing strategy. He wrote this. Trumps own 2016 victory points to persuasion, not turn out, as the key. The president will need to persuade some of the millions of reluctant 2016 trump voters who backed Democratic Candidates in 2018 in the midterms to return to his favor. In 2016 he effectively persuaded them that Hillary Clinton was worse than he was. Even though these voters disliked both. If you cant change these voters image of him, he needs o run a Similar Campaign that args more boring than never trumper. That got a hmm from one of our cohosts a recent fox news poll macros voters are no more enthusiastic about President Trumps reelection than they were about his reelection in 2016. Those who would be enthusiastic or pleased taking up 6 , and those who do would be displeas, 6 . Im not sure what they are trying to save it. Anyway, we will come to tom shillue. How can you be both ways . Some people need to be persuaded but there is a ticked up in the number of people enthusiastic to vote for the president again. Tom the economy is going great. He will stress the economy and talk about the border. Those are to to huge issues that will be strengthened strength to him. I think hes in a better position to do it because now hes got the presidency. The question before was always, okay, i kind of like what hes doing, hes unconventional, but is he president ial . Can be really like this guy . Now that hes there, he has redefined the presidency. All the stuff of can we make in the president . That ship has sailed. We dont need convincing that area, and i think he was baked in with her. Most of the country or lets say half, jessica they didnt like her anyway. He didnt have to do much selling with that. He will be able to make a of whoever hes running against and a better way than hillary. Harris from tom, to tomi. Tomi i think voters are absolutely enthusiastic about 2020, and the more the Mainstream Media beats on this president , the more exciting we become to vote for him yet agai. And the elitists on both coasts are going to save the democrat is going to win, that this country is never trump. They said that in 2016 and they were wrong. As tom said, we have a presidency to look at and say, no, all the things he said he was going to do, he did. With the exception of the wall, which is working on every single day. If you could get some help from the democrats and some of the rhinos within his own party to move on that, he would fulfill that promise as well. Harris ironically hes getting more help from mexico right now, because recent reporting of 15,000 troops being sent to the border with us and mexico to try and stem the tide of people coming through, whether they are seeking asylum or otherwise. Jessica mexico has been a big help, no doubt a boon for the president. Its good for democrats, we obviously need to continue to address the situation on the border, which is quite died. He has a difficult tightrope act to watch. Over 60 of americans think the economy is going well but only 30 are giving him credit for it. The question is always, are you better off now than you were four years ago . While people may feel like they have a bit more money in their pockets, they are not necessarily so seeing that with President Trump or the g. O. P. Tax cut. You have people saying that, middle and lower income americans thinking they didnt get a text that when they objectively did. We also have to remember that Hillary Clinton won on the issue of the economy by eight points in 2016. The president won and immigration campaign. I dont know if he can pull that off right now with whats going on with the border and consider what happened in 2018, when a number of people who voted for him came out for democrats and the enthusiasm right now is tilted to our side. I dont know who will be the candidate and i dont know where we are going to go for that, but the president does have a tough road ahead of him. Melissa i actually disagree with that because i think what he won on was the deplorables. He hit that note again when he kicked off his campaign, when he said, they want to take away your voice and your vote. Its this idea that you are not smart enough to make decisions for yourself. Its the intellectual and moral superiority of the elitists. We in washington and we who have ruled forever no better for whats good for you and your family then you know for yourself, and that was really, i think, what he tapped into this time around. When Hillary Clinton stepped out and said the deplorable thing, thats what sealed the deal. Is this idea that so when he says, they want to take away your voice and your vote, that speaks to impeachment. He sort of rips the plastic off what it means to be president , to your point. Before people were like, i like this idea of someone not talking down to me, who is real, who is authentic, but i dont know how thats going to work out. Well, the world hasnt exploded. Hes in office, a lot of people are unhappy with what he did, a lot of people who voted for them are happy. Its not like this type of person cant be president. Weve gone there, we are never going back. Harris actually, for democrats, the world has exploded. Youve got all these questions now, tom, and you hear it. Jessica comey said here on the couch. Walk and chew gum at the same time, yes, they can. Really and truly, we havent seen that producing this propensity for had been, more investigations, that opens the door for President Trump because he has said all along, they are hunting me. Tom they are blocking anything i want to do. Thats another good message. I think the tone in the country, the idea people say, i like the president , but some of those tweets and the insults, sometimes he takes it too far. The mistake is the democrats, they are just as on president ial as the president. Harris can you tell me, what is president ial in this day and age . How is that oppositional two if it is, critics say it is America First . Tomi to me whats president ial is getting things done in keeping your promises. This is the only president who has kept his promises and been maligned and attacked for doing what he said he was going to do. He would continue if it wasnt for democrats blocking him at every turn. They had all their bets on the mueller investigation, they will continue without harris we will hear from him july 17th. Thatll be interesting. Tomi the American People are so sick and tired of that. They want to do something about immigration, to continue the progress on the economy and jobs. So sick of the mueller investigation. It doesnt impact the forgotten american, as you talked about. Jessica thats not all we are focusing on. He promised things like a new health care plan. There is no plan, theyve never delivered on that. As i said, the American Public doesnt think they got a tax cut. They dont credit him with the economy. Harris so i dont democrats stop in and fill in some of the gaps they say exist . Jessica they pass literally and constantly. His Approval Rating melissa but it doesnt come into law because it just goes through the house. Paul ryan never got credit for that. Anyway, and recent fox news polls, these taken before the debate last week revealing what democrats are looking for in a 2020 president ial nominee. Overall, democratic primary voters are split when choosing between a candidate with high ethical standards at 52 , and one who can defeat the president , at 45 . Democratic primary voters also prefer, by a huge margin 72 that their nominee provides, reliable leadership rather than a bold, new agenda. Tomi, thats an interesting one to me. They want study rather than bold and new. It seems like old and new is what gets all the oxygen on the left, but maybe thats the medias fault. Maybe thats how people actually want. Tomi no, thats why i think people are excited about joe biden, because they think is the moderate choice. The antidote to donald trump. But is he going to excite people to get out to the polls . I dont think so. And the democrats are running and identity politics campaign, so its whoever will be the best at that who will be probably the front runner and nominee. Joe biden is not good at that. So i think they will have a real difficult time picking there nominee. Melissa jessica . Jessica itll be difficult picking a nominee. We have 25 candidates. At least ten of them harris you think they are all equal and qualified . You should be able to push some aside. Jessica i think we will in a matter of time. Obviously we have the debates, we will see how that goes moving forward. But im saying there are a lot of options for us now. I think that poll is extreme important, the steady leadership. He is moderate based on his career in the policies hes putting forward. Harris what about john delaney . Jessica hes moderate, as will prove his name i. D. Is obviously not aside. Tomi will get people to come out of the polls . Jessica whats important is the question of electability and the focus on defeating donald trump. People will come to the polls to defeat donald trump read whether you love joe biden or lukewarm about him harris thats what they said last time and it didnt work out that way. Melissa to jessicas point, i want to bring up this more important than deciding a primary vote, candidates who would unite all americans, 74 , that is. Or fight the extreme right wing, 23 . That kind of speaks to what you are saying, because it sort of a uniter. Some of you can get elected. Jessica joe biden from day one has been fighting a campaign against donald trump, not against republicans, not against independent play or less, not republicans or hopefully former donald trump supporters. He is focused on him because of that. Americans like the message of unity, they like to hear him say, john mccain was one of my best friends. I got things done with john mccain. Tom i agree with jessica in that you only need that little slice. The smartest thing mitt romney ever said in the last campaign was the thing he got in trouble for, the 47 thing. You dont have to worry about those because youre not going to get them. Its a little slice. I was telling you this last night, jessica. I have this feeling that the one thing donald trump has to worry about is that small percentage of the country that is just sick of all the noise. If they can be convinced by somebody that they can make that noise go away i dont know if biden can do that they might just say what do you think . Melissa i disagree because i think what turns all these elections recently is passion. So you dont vote on, i want the noise to go down. That is somebody who doesnt show up to vote. Tom like 5 . To be when i think you also dont vote when things are great. You do need something to kind of fight for. Tom right, which is why he need something more than the economy. Harris its interesting what jessica was saying, that tight rope. 60 think the economy is good, 30 percent dont give the president credit. That actually is on the media. When you see him hitting the media, the numbers coming out that look good for the administration. Jobs, whatever it is. And you dont see it on every network, that is how it plays against him. Then my question is, do you hit the media on that and call them bad . Or is there another way to handle it . Tom i mean, he will tip down not keep hitting the media on every angle. [laughs] melissa i think itll work because there was a day when people in america didnt realize that the evening news was written by people who were biased and didnt know it. And they thought that street news was truly street. Theyve been woken up to the fact that everybody who pays attention as an opinion. If you dont have one, why are you doing it . And they are not able to keep that out of their news. So i think he has woken up america to the fact that you have to think about the person delivering the news no matter what channel youre watching. All right, weve heard it before the bigger the better. But when it comes to peoples homes, space doesnt always make it a happier place. Plus, growing wages, more jobs, strong market. The president set to make the economy a centerpiece of his 2020 campaign. What americans think of the economy now. We were just talking about this. We will get deeper. And what it will mean for both parties at the ballot box. The dow is up. Looks like it could be an 80year high. Its on track for an 80year high. And the stock market is up. Its a 50year high. Im sure youre very happy about that, right . 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The labor bureau we will release the june jobs report tomorrow, and while the month of may only saw 75,000 new jobs we below expectations the unappointment rate held steady at 3. 6 . The lowest in nearly 50 years. We just continue to rise and may, as well. The average Hourly Earnings climbing to 9. 40. The strongest they have been on record for nonmanagement worker workers. 10. 92 for all workers, the second highest on record. Meanwhile, he knew fox news poll mack says 67 of respondents feel strongly or somewhat optimistic about the economy, while only 37 are strongly or somewhat pessimistic. In that same poll, we dig deeper. A per loudly a 48 feel the Trump Administration policy benefits people with more money. Is there a disconnect there . Melissa there is. Number one, i always wonder about the polls because i dont know who they are asking, so i have a hard time putting a lot of weight in that. I would say that the biggest place where the president has made people feel it is turning the obama administration, the divide between rich and poor grew dramatically. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer. Median income fell. Under this president we seen wages rise faster, for those of the lower end of the economic scale, and in the middle youre talking about lobbying and mining, the service industry. Not people who are making minimum wage. Its not about the 15, its people and the whole bottom half. There wages rose. And this is something that people have felt. The st. Louis fed reporting for the obama recovery, this is the worst recovery from a recession ever. Generally have this bshaped recovery. One things style, the jet fuel back. We didnt see that. Its a lack of relation. We dont have enough people to fill all the jobs that we have out there. Harris theres a training gap, thats another part of the conversation. Its something we will have to get to. Tomi . Tomi i think you hit the nail on the head. Businesses also have confidence in this president. Many factors, having confidence in this president. By taking away some of that red tape, and deregulating, that lowers the barriers to entry for Small Business owners, too. Which makes them more optimistic and makes them want to hire more people. It makes them feel like they can sustain it for a longer period of time. People are excited right now. The reason that it get donald trump credit for that is because the democrats are still trying to convince people that its a carryover from barack obama. Funny how that works, its always president bushs fault for all the woes and the obama administration, and we are coming back and its obama who can take credit for that . No matter which way you cut it, obama was the anointed one and he could do no wrong for democrats. Jessica i dont feel that way. Im a big fan of him, but he did if he the wrong things. A few things one, im a big believer in polls. They capture a snapshot in time. At the moment, they arent giving him credit for the economy and they are feeling about people in the upper echelon, the richest, and the corporations, they are the one getting the big breaks. Thats why its a conversation. He mentioned john doing it before. Raising the Corporate Tax rate, not as much as other democrats that are running want to do, but upping that four or five points from where the cut went down to. A couple things that are important its really hard for someone to defeat an incumbent president. It doesnt happen very often. Thats in the back of everyones mind, certainly someone who works in consulting. I know kind of an uphill battle this is. The economic indicators, disconnecting it from harris you also havent experienced it. Although this movement of impeachment against bill clinton was something that helped him i can still get things and against all odds that image he tried to portray and was successful at. He also had history on his side being an incumbent. Jessica absolutely. And he had a great economy. Harris things are going on for him and he was still an incumbent. That point is that history is almost impossible to break. Not impossible, but jessica its very difficult for the circumstances right now, democrats have a lot to be hopeful about. Harris so its a message against . Jessica of the messages about preventing or helping to fix income inequality. You say its an obama problem. Weve had growth and income inequality for generations now. The rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer. Thats not an obama problem, its an american problem. Melissa im coding them off from the fed. If you look at the statistics from the bureau of labor statistics, from the Social Security department, from the irs, that gap has closed under President Trump. You can talk about how you feel, but you can talk about the actual numbers of money, of whats happened pray that flies in the face of what youre saying. Harris i want to get tom into the conversation. Tom its different for different democrats. I was just looking at that wall of democrats we had up there. When we shall all the candidates. Joe biden is going to be running on the obama record, and so the Strong Economy is a huge negative for biden. But for people melissa then he tries to claim it for himself. So which one do you want . [laughs] tom he will have trouble with that. You know who loves the Strong Economy . Elizabeth warren and Bernie Sanders. They can save the economy is strong, the rich are so rich, its time to pay for all the programs. For those two, the more it goes, the more the economy helps them. Harris when you look at the messaging, tomi, we talked about this before. The president can talk more about the economy. His surrogates can talk about the economy. What really wins that message . s of the kind of stuff he does when he brings real americans into the oval office . Tomi its a forgotten american, the silent majority. The people in the middle of the country who felt ignored for so long. Harris does he go to them or bring them in . Tomi all he has to do is go on twitter or on tv, go to a rally and speak, and obviously it will be streamed everywhere and we hear. The middle of the country, places like where i come from, i know that the farmers are getting hit right now. But the farmers, the ranchers, the coal workers, people who feel their jobs were in jeopardy. Quite honestly, their jobs were attacked by the previous administration. If they feel they can be proud of what they do, if they are a forgotten american, they can come back. Jessica what happened in 2018 . We had midterm elections were everybody come on, we harris we will revisit when you can. Probably not this hour. [laughs] would love to. President trump looking to paint democrats as the party of open borders, as he once again seizes on the immigration issue in the 2020 campaign. A new fox news poll shows many voters see the Trump Administration as having gone too far on border enforcement. Is that really the case . And 2020 democrats pushing massive taxpayerfunded Spending Plans to address student loan debt, Climate Change, health care, among other issues. Will any of it help them draw in voters, or lead to a deficit of disaster . door bell rings its open hey. This is amazing. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . Even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira can help get, and keep uc under control when other medications havent worked well enough. And it helps people achieve control that lasts. So you can experience few or no symptoms. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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The border would be so beautiful, but the democrats just wont do it. But maybe now they will, because theres no question we have a national emergency. They said that in the last caravan they had a hundreds of people who commit crimes trying to come into our country. Were not letting them. And now mexico is bringing them back. Melissa President Trump has been hammering democrats and supporting open borders as he embarks on his reelection fight. Democrats heading back on the president , both those in congress and those making a bid for the white house. And treat people with compassion and with common sense, instead of cruelty. Round up millions of people. One is too many. This is not america. This is not who we are. We will not tolerate this disrespect of splitting up families. We should immediately live the dream reason, period. We should move in a direction to make sure theres a path to citizenship for the 11 Million People who are here. One thing he says one thing, one day he says the next. Hes not solving the crisis, hes making it worse. Melissa in the meantime, a new fox news poll Shows Americans split when it comes to the president s position. Half of voters, 50 , save the administration has gone too far on immigration enforcement. More than double the 24 who say he hasnt gone far enough. Only 21 of the administrations enforcement is just about right. Tom, to me theres a lot of irony in this issue because you look at the crisis at the border, now everyone finally agrees that there is a crisis there. It is congress who has the power to fix it, and both republicas and democrats in congress have not fixed this problem for a long time. But when you see conditions, the president is the one is blamed because its perceived hes in charge. When you drill down to the facts, i dont know how much he could do at this point without congress acting. Tom i dont think those numbers are that bad. 50 think that he has gone too far . But 46 not far enough or just right. With the kind of press hes given, with the press going 20 were seven with the kids in cages story, i think those numbers are great. All this means is everyone knows donald trump is strong on the border and the democrats were saying for the longest time they are all on record, every candidate, as saying manufactured crisis. They know its not true. Melissa to be clear, we are not talking about kids in cages. Theres a huge crisis. When you go down and look at all the pictures that weve seen, this is not acceptable conditions. Harris well, some of those Detention Centers have been compared to kids in cages. When you talk about jessica thats an accurate harris in 2014. Jessica no, that picture came from the obama administration. The issue is the policy. President obama never had a policy of separating families. Harris how is that different . Speaker that was something happening in those border facilities, which is shameful. Tomi have you been there, jessica . Because i have. Have you spent any time with our border bushel agents . I will not let you talk about them like that. Jessica im not talking like that. They serve this country honorably. The zerotolerance policies discussing, it is shameful. No toothbrushes, dirty onesies, teenagers taking care of babies. Tomi i want to cling to you that everything is done there, the reason they have two separate some of those Families First of all, zero tolerance was put in place to say, dont come here. Jessica by the time of initiation, right . Site, tomi pray that the term policy. Melissa guys, guys. Lets pause for once i can hear. I think we all agree theres a christen on the board. There are a lot of flaws in our policy. Jessica, i would ask you, the problem is that when you look at the detention facility, its democrats who want the children released into the interior. I dont know who they are going to, and that its a safe place to go. I dont know that they are going to traffickers. Harris the people that they are going to in the united states. Melissa i dont want them there in those terrible conditions, but i also dont want to release them to somebody who i dont know. Harris i want to go back to one thing youre saying, tomi. In all fairness, you need to get your point out about the people tasked with taking care of these kids. Go ahead and make it. Tomi these Border Patrol agents are sometimes the only caregiver that some of these children see. I have seen Border Patrol agents go rescue 4yearold toddlers who have been left in the middle of a desert in 115 degrees in tucson, arizona, by their smuggler or their socalled parent, left out there because they were no longer beneficial. The smuggler already got their money off of them. Ive watched those agents hike several miles in the desert to go see people on a daily basis. To demonize these people and say they dont care about families melissa in fairness, thats not what jessica was doing. Harris jessica, what do you want to see happen at this point . Melissa has said and its true everybody sees this as a crisis. Although i argue the reporting has been there for months, even from the Washington Post and the new york times. Jessica absolutely. Its heartening to see that at least in the house in the senate there were big funding bills that had humanitarian aid. To fix the asylum system, we need more judges down there right now. I dont want any child release into the arms of someone who wants to do them harm or who is not related to them or sanctioned in some way. But it took that story coming out, with the reporters on the lawyers who went down to the detention center, to spark first of all, the head of cpp to resign, to get someone new in there. Who, by the way, has been for ice reads that the president threatened a couple weekends ago. Its disheartening, it is difficult. We need to fix it. Im not sure we will get comprehensive Immigration Reform done. I know that all eyes are on the border right now, and that at least at least is heartening. Harris if actual lawmakers from your party were on the border right now. Jessica actually, Elizabeth Warren went down there. Buy beto has been there. Harris and they are coming up with ideas to fix it . Jessica they have put out ideas before. Just because theres a difference between the house in the senate doesnt mean democrats dont care. Harris no one is saying you dont care. Im just saying jessica you just said he would like to see them go to the board. Theyve gone to the border. They put out policy. We have to go now. Questions looming over some 2020 democrats liberal spending proposals with huge price tags. The candidates sinew looking to one up each other with bigticket policy ideas. Jay inslees attack on Climate Change would cause stomach cost trillions of dollars over the next decade. Elizabeth warren supports Free Public College and to a recent student loan debt, estimated to cost more than a chilling dollars. But senator Bernie Sanders out giving her with his plan to erase all College Tuition debt. That is 2. 2 trillion, which he promises to pay for with a tax on wall street. And Sanders School of medicare for all, estimated to run around 32 trillion. Then there are some relative bargains. Senator Kamala Harris plan to spend 315 billion over ten years to raise pay for teachers, and senator cory booker aiming to make rent more affordable for housing credits, and more than 134 billion annually. President trump is calling out democrats move to embrace far left policies. Watch. Democrats are pushing a cynical and destructive agenda of radicalism. The democrats are now advancing an extreme 100 trillion government takeover, called the green new deal. Do you want to see those 401 k s in all your stocks and the things that do you want to see them deflate . But a good socialist in this position the democrats are pushing socialist governmentrun health care that bans private Health Insurance for 180 million americans. Mack socialism is not a good thing, youre right. Jessica okay. We heard from the president , and if we go back to the a block when we talked about that oped in the Washington Post, that the president might have to make the Campaign Slogan never socialist instead of America First. Do you think democrats are going to be hurt by these bigticket proposals . Tom yes. I dont think you need to make it a slogan. He can have America First and he can also remind everyone that socialism is bad. I do think they are going too far to the left. The economy is strong. Its turning on the democrats. Theres huge portion of democrats and you are not one of them, i think you are a centrist democrat, if im right, jessica. Jessica you are. Tom theres a huge portion of your party that gets turned on by these ideas. Thats why they love Elizabeth Warren and bernie. Jessica but its not just democrats that get turned on by it. Elizabeth warrens proposal, for instance, our popular amongst all americans because shes addressing income inequality, student debt, things like that. Do you think democrats are doing a decent job explaining them and dealing with a price tag issue . You think voters will care about that at the polling booth . Melissa i dont think they do a good job dealing with the price tag issue because they make up math or they dont do the math. But i dont think buster may consume a lot of math, so i dont think that ends up being a huge problem. I think a lot of people realize that when you hear something is free, they know nothing is in e is free because it expands that. And of the taxpayers will foot the bill. When they talk about Companies Paying for it, Companies Get rich, walmart employs a bunch of people. They have shareholders, teachers have that stock, their pension. They are not inanimate evil objects out there. They are suspicious about the free stuff. The one that really resonates is the student debt. We have to attack that problem at the university level. Thats who the villain is there, the university sucking up all the money, charging so much and calling themselves nonprofit. Jessica tomi, what do you think about the criticism that republicans should be getting in the scheme a little bit and talking about these issues . Student debt republicans and democrats both get educated. To be five right, thats an issue that im glad you brought up. As far as what i believe conservative thought Less Government is better. Especially when it comes to the student loan debt. If the federal government wouldnt have gotten in the student loan business would be much better off than we are now. Its not that we have a new wall streetfunded remedy to take care of the problem. If you remove the government, universities, as you mentioned, would have to compete with each other on price and they wouldnt be able to have their tuition go up, up, up, every single year. Because they would have to compete with each other paid but not when the federal government is in there guaranteeing those loans. Harris i think americans just have a basic distrust when people promise too much stuff. Like that you can keep your doctor. We are out of time. Jessica what perfect timing, then here we are. These days americans are living in larger homes than ever before. But all that space isnt making folks any happier. Why bigger may not always be better, and why the house next door could be the problem. As a good musical [our house] its pretty cool, isnt it . Theres two of them. Theyre multiplying. No, guys, its me. See, im real. Im real he thinks hes real. Geico. Over 75 years of savings and service. Dealing with Psoriatic Arthritis pain was so frustrating. My skin. 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The stats dont lie. American homes today are a lot bigger than in previous generations. The average person has nearly doubled the space they did 40 years ago, but a new study finds that americans are not necessarily happy with bigger houses. Thats because they compare their pads to their neighbors supersized mcmansion the author of this study telling the atlantic, if i bought a house make me feel like im the king of my neighborhood, but a new king arises, it makes me feel very bad about my house. He goes on to say that as more mcmansions are built, their presence pushes others to keep up with the joneses. By building bigger, and going further into debt. Tom . Tom i dont like these big houses. Im not turned on by them. I would not be jealous of a guys big house. Maybe his car, maybe his grill. Things like that, i will be jealous of. [laughter] harris by grill do you mean dental work or the grill on the front of the card . Tom both harris what decade do i live in . Tom some of these rooms, you go on these big houses first of all, i dont care about foyers. Harris i like a good mother. [laughter] tom you go on these houses, theres nothing in it but a wooden chicken. Melissa i love wooden chickens harris you look at these houses in connecticut, those mansions that have been sitting open for months. Some of them even years. North of the price tag of 25 million. We have, from what im reading, a younger home buyer. Even if they could, they dont want to live in that because they want to be in an urban area where they can get everything. They can drive their electric car and be able to actually plug it in and find a place that you can plug it in on a small mat. Because the farther out you get from the city, sometimes it can be difficult. These are some of the things, not just through surveys, but millennials i talk to. They are like, we dont want bought air in the house were not even living in because we are outliving our lives. Things of change. Im not saying necessarily the american dramatic change. You can want to house, you could want a family, all those things. Not something that takes the entire family to clean on saturday afternoon instead of being out with a dog. Tom if you are jealous of her, talk to them. Harris theres very little going out at the neighbors house. [laughter] melissa tomi, would you think about this conversation . Are you somebody that aspires to the big house . Do you think its beautiful . What do you think of this survey . Tomi i think the reason people are getting bigger houses is somewhat motivated by reality tv. If you watch any of the the real housewives. You have to live that reality tv lifestyle, you need this big home. Of course on the west coast thats where a lot of these mansions are, in the Hollywood Hills in beverly hills. Thats what we have to look too. You are right about millennials in young people like myself, we dont necessarily want more space. You dont spend time sitting at home anyway. Melissa jessica, let me ask you. I dont want a bigger place because i like my family. I think if you or your kids or your family, you want a big house so everyone can spread out. Also, if its big, i can sneak up on my kids and see what they are doing. They will hear me coming. Harris whats it like to live if you . [laughter] melissa its terrifying jessica but we also live in new york city. Harris i live in jersey, i have the option of a bigger house jessica melissa and i live in new york city, so you wont get a house like that. The conversation about millennials, that cohort, its really important to bring in the importance of quality of life. I grew up here in manhattan. I have a lot of friends that have moved to cities like charlotte, north carolina,. Where they can have a house, they can afford child care, they can melissa asheville . Tom we dont need more liberals moving to north carolina. [laughter] jessica we are urban folk. 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Tomi i think republicans and conservatives have always loved this country. You would think that both political countries would love this country, and he would think we would all share in that. But sadly, the Democratic Party in large part has become the party of cheering on anthem kneelers and believing this country oppresses people. I think thats sad. I didnt think that was a political or a partisan thing, to love your country. But its become one. Harris just got . Jessica its not a partisan issue, thats not being an anthem kneeler, which is obviously what the First Amendment gives you the right to do, is something that we celebrate. I would love to see the swing when president obama was in office, if republicans had a dip in their patriotism. Tom they didnt do any of that. Jessica democrats love their country just as much as republicans. They serve our country. We have a number of veterans running for the presidency. There was what we called a camo wave during the 2018 midterms, where he saw a number of veterans elected to office, including women. It was incredibly exciting. That will continue into 2020. Harris we are so divided now, though. That actually is assured everyone can wear. It makes you not want to be part of the process if you think you are going to end up hating the neighbor you are going to invite over for a second jessica but their houses to big. [laughter] harris yes, i want them to live in smaller houses and be more loving to each other. Tom its true, most people are patriotic for the numbers go down a bit and there are some people who are just still mad at trump and they say no. But in the end, i think they are. I was down at the beach last year, and the marine band was playing. They played all the different hymns, they played anchors away and all the navy guy stood up. It was so patriotic. Most people really are. I dont know if the answer these things truthfully. Melissa it depends when they ask the question. When im out and you see people either helping each other, serving their country, doing something nice for their neighbor, then if you patriotic. You feel that community. We are doing so much fighting lately that it makes you not feel patriotic. So its kind of like what just happened . [laughs] harris as a child of the colonel in the army, nonretired dad, it does worry me that we are having to judge each others patriotism to discover who is more patriotic. Its red, white, and blue. It worries me that we forget about the other 1 , the 1 serving. I dont want there to happen. I want there to be connective tissue between those who fight for freedom and those who benefit from that fight. That should be irrespective of any poetical party. We should love that camo and that red, white, and blue. Jessica that was that bumpy slot in 2002 after 9 11 that 92 for the peach out of. Harris we wish you and your family happy, healthy fourth of july. 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