A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. Disputed that. He said thats what he played it, but he himself didnt feel that. That was basically agreeing with the facts of the case. I think that if donald trump wasnt president and didnt have those Justice Department guidelines, theres a good chance he would have been indicted yesterday as i coconspirator in this and a lot of legal experts think thats the case. Also take a step back, john edwards was brought to trial over something very similar with less evidence about the real question is, what else Doesnt Michael no . What has he told mueller, what has he told prosecutors with other cases . Hes been intimately involved with donald trump for a very, very long time and i think thats why you saw last night donald trump being careful not going after him at that rally because i think the president might be a little nervous. Melissa and i think theres enough here. And as it doesnt sound like something you would get fined for. I think its a tough case to him, but the other thing you have to bear in mind with respect to cohen, cohen was originally muellers case. Mueller allowed the case to go to the southern district. Melissa he kicked it there there. Andrew right. But he would have done the same thing to cohen as he did to manafort. Melissa theres one different ingredient with Michael Cohen. He didnt stay true to the president. In the president didnt stay true to him. He didnt bring him along to the campaign. There are already some relational type situations reported there, to, and that act of disloyalty on either part, it opened a door. You could treat him legally probably differently too. Bless his background as the Deputy Chairman of the rnc for finance. This was a guy that was going to play differently anyway, he didnt know about the 2700. Andrew i think that the relative to Drums Calculations but as a prosecutor, i think one of the things you want to bear in mind is how effective would cohen be as a witness . Melissa has that changed, is he not effective now . He did not plead guilty to a Cooperation Agreement which is what you do with someone. You get the guy to plead guilty to everything, and then his only way out is to cooperate with you and you file a motion at the en end. They didnt do that with him. Its the one theres two Different Things going on, there is a legal angle which you just mentioned i do think President Trumps legal liability is low in this case. You look at Campaign Finance violations that happen all the time and his 2008 campaign was the largest we have seen, and lets talk about politics of this as well, which is the other angle. I do think this is bad for republicans in a sense and ive always been told in a political narrative, it comes in threes. This is not good for republicans, this has not been a good week for republicans. With regard to impeachment to have brought up, i think that will be tough for democrats. He would have to have an overwhelming margin of democrats in the house for them to entertain the idea of impeachment. But what will happen is one there will be articles of impeachment. Number two you will have tons of hearings that are going on by democrats. Essentially you have multiple hearings going on and this is what democrats will be talking about. That does hurt President Trump and trying to move things forward in his agenda. Ive heard marie say, you cant make it all about resistance and, go after the president on impeachment, you have to have a message. I think yesterday change that calculation a little bit. A melissa i think its interesting, because if you go after the president on this count and say we are going to impeach, that energizes republicans who feel like they are having their president taken away. Also lanny davis said earlier when he was in that interview, which i thought kind of undermined his point. He said he had this cometojesus moment with michael when he was watching the helsinki press conference. For the Average American who hears that, thats not really believable and thats lanny davis putting a political spin on a case which i dont think helps him. He also begged for money twice in that interview where he talked about the website. Go and donate money to Michael Cohen. That money you would assume will go to his defense and go to lanny davis, which was a little distasteful. I think they were up to 17,000. Money is part of the equation. Melissa we have much more to talk about, we barely stretch, scratch the surface. President trump stepping in to the fiery debate over some nfl players refusing to stand for our National Anthem. The president blasting the espn decision not to televise anthem before games. Is this the right way for the network to handle the controversy . Plus new fallout in the verdict in the broad trial of former Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort. We will discuss the impact on the president and the mueller investigation. President trump i feel very bad for Paul Manafort. It had nothing to do with russian collusion. We continue the witch hunt. And purchase a new samsung phone. Visit your local xfinity store today. Melissa we come in with this fox news alert. New reaction from the president after a federal jury found his former Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort guilty on eight counts of the 18 on bank fraud and tax fraud. And a mistrial was declared on those other ten. Manafort could face a maximum of 80 years in prison. President trump reiterated, manafort, and the case brought by Robert Mueller have nothing to do with his work for the campaign. Watch. President trump Paul Manafort is a good man. He was with ronald ragan and a lot of other people over the years. It doesnt involve me but i still feel its a very sad thing that happened. This had nothing to do with russian collusion. It started as a russian collusion and has nothing to do, its a witch hunt and a disgrac disgrace. Melissa meanwhile as a president headed to a political rally in West Virginia, Chuck Schumer warned the president against any pardons of Paul Manafort or his former attorney Michael Cohen. I understand the president is on his way to a rally. He better not talk about pardons for michael , Paul Manafort tonight or any night in the future. You know, in all of this with Paul Manafort, even the judge in the case, ts ellis said, we arent going to discuss russian collusion, its not part of this case. Why hammer that point now if you are the president s legal team . What are they trying to accomplish that the judge didnt accomplish for them . I dont know. I think its a mistake to keep hammering this because i think if you look objectively at what has happened here, i Really Dont Think Mueller is trying to make a Collusion Case against the president. I think mueller is pursuing his original objective which is russias interference in the election of which the Collusion Thing was one strand. My view of it is, hes interested in manafort because of manafort, not because of trump and collusion. The reason i say that is, hes had to gates as a cooperator for six months. And yet what has happened since gates has been a cooperator . Hes brought to indictments against groups of russians that dont even hint that there was any collusion. In fact reading the indictment suggests exactly the opposite, that the russians were doing their own thing. Its three marie he mentioned some congressional candidates. That is not the way that it would be done. So i think hes making a big mistake, continually attacking mueller because he sort of begging for his mueller to write a report that will be scathing. And just to defend himself. It doesnt look like that from the outside. If these people in his constellation, cohen and manafort, and lisa mentioned a wider scope. But collins and Duncan Hunter in that order were the first sitting members of congress to endorse the president. So they are in the constellation of conversation that we are talking about it, but if it really has nothing to do with the investigation, why even bring it up. The six i didnt mean to indicate he wasnt interested in trump at all. Leave three the new narrative that you may have picked up has nothing to do with me which is what the president said. And that i would say would be better nomenclature. Or better narratives. Andrew it would be better than a full frontal assault on the prosecutor who up into this point has not indicated there is anything corrupt. So it does make sense for President Trump to wage this battle against mueller because it is a political fight, it is a p. R. Fight and thats what President Trump is doing. The public polling has been different, but i think pointing to the manafort case, what President Trump can say and what senator Lindsey Graham pointed out last night, this has nothing to do with collusion. I actually think President Trump is being smart from a p. R. Standpoint and a political standpoint, maybe not from you putting your lawyer hat on. I would push back in this sense. I agree with you that he has done a Public Relations strategy because hes thinking about impeachment which is not about what happens in court. But i think you have to play out the whole chess game. Whatever the polls look like now, the last word on this is going to be manaforts report. We talked about this once before. Im not saying that you say anything in the report thats untrue, but you can write a report. Or, you can write a report. That sounds like spin to me. Is also worth remembering that the next trial that will be happening in d. C. Is in a large part about manaforts work. So we dont know melissa at the very dirty president of ukraine legally and politically. Thats right. The russia issue there is another guy im talking about the first thing that Paul Manafort was lobbying for didnt report that and there are people who have said that when he was running the campaign, the platform of the campaign became much more progression and much less proukrainian. So i think these issues are going to come up in the next trial. Melissa but weve already learned from this past trial in terms of the 58 or so million dollars, thats where some of that money was coming from because he was doing work for that former president. I will be interested to see if the trial happens. Now why do you think a second trial wouldnt happen . If we all are right, that what mueller is trying to accomplish is to squeeze manafort, it looks like he has them on 80 years of criminal exposure. You dont think he will appeal it . That judge put these prosecutors through the paces. And then he has the d. C. Case is a home game, and im sure he was happy that that was first. And its not like he was acquitted yesterday, he has ten more points in his pocket. It boggles my mind a little bit when people say the manafort thing has nothing to do with russia because thats where the money came from originally. Its kind of like, thats what it all goes back to india see through their how he could have become vulnerable. The question is what did he do from there and what of the do. Melissa and that might not happen so what happens in its place . Maybe he pleads guilty and cooperate with mueller which is what its been about all along. If i were thinking of a pardon, the last thing i would want is my misconduct melissa out while lenny davis said that Michael Cohen wouldnt take a pardon. I dont take i believe that. That story broke at the same time. That puts him on hold and the reporting was, its likely because he may be ready to cooperate. I think flynns sentencing has been put off because if mueller agreed to sentence him at this point, it said that we are not ready yet. Sadness now combining with outrage. Police have revealed the suspect accused of murdering Iowa College Student Mollie Tibbetts was in our nation illegally for years. President trump mentioned this case at his rally last night in West Virginia. And the heated immigration debate. Stay close. 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Police say he is an illegal immigrant from mexico who confessed to kidnapping and then killing tibbets, and eventually led police to the students a body in a rural area. She disappeared more than a month ago while jogging. President trump addressed the story at his rally in West Virginia last night. Watch. President trump you heard about today with the Illegal Alien Coming In, very sadly, from mexico, and you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman. It should have never happened. Illegally in our country. We have had a huge impact, but the laws are so bad it, the Immigration Laws are such a disgrace. We are getting them changed but we have to get more republicans. Melissa so lisa, there were three Immigration Stories yesterday that we watched but obviously that one was huge and so heartbreaking. There was of the mass murdering nazi who was deported, and he was responsible for thousands of peoples deaths by virtue of guarding them in poland. He was finally deported. And there was at fake news stor story, a lot of reporters were putting out there about somebody who was racing his wife to the hospital to have a baby and was deported. And here it turns out that he wasnt driving and he was wanted for murder in another country and that was totally fake news. Three Immigration Stories yesterday that a lot of people may have missed because of the legal news. Lisa and i think it kind of puts in a nutshell how these things are covered by the Mainstream Media and also by the left. Marianne mendoza, an angel mom, was on fox friends recently talking about how the media puts a focus and a premium on these sob stories when it turns out the guy was wanted for murder. And representative joe kennedy who had given the democrats response to the state of the union, clearly the democrats see the future of the party and tweeted out about the alleged murder guy saying, there is heartless and there is whatever this is. I guarantee he wont tweet about what happened in iowa. I think the point that President Trump has been making, and i think the point that republicans have been making is that they wish the democrats in the Mainstream Media would put as much of a premium on american citizens, angel parents, then they do sometimes on illegal immigrants. And where am i wrong with that . Go to representative joe kennedys account. Thats not the point i make. Dont inaccurately label what i just said it. Lisa. Okay come on. You just said they care about immigrants more than they do american citizens. When do you talk about angel parents . No its okay. Heres the point. Democrats of course want to keep american citizens safe. The idea that they dont is completely unfair and not borne out by the facts. The truth is, we need to Immigration Overhaul to happen in this country. The Republican House couldnt even pass up 1 of 3 bills, they try to. Go ahead. We need to compromise. We need both sides not to run two extremes, to come to the middle of the table and talk about how to reform our immigration system. But saying democrats dont care about the safety of americans is not compromised talk. Now i dont think that will happen before the midterms, and we will see what happens after the election but the truth is there is no one in the congress that is willing right now to take tough votes on and immigration issue because both extremes of both parties are winning today. Harris i will agree 100 on that last one. Leading at the democrats, some say the face of your party, a marine. Then you see on the flip side, republicans, some in the house, able to get that four prong bill that the president really wanted and the senate not being able to do the same thing. Its complicated on the hill. And the house didnt even pass at. For the Compromise Bill that didnt get a single democrat vote either. Melissa lets hear what former i. C. E. Director tom homan said, about how to actually fix this problem. This is why we need the wall. This is why we need to fix the loopholes. Im sick and tired of talking about this issue and meeting yet another angel mom that has been created at the hands of illegal immigrants. Andrew is hyper politicized, but even the wall, people here, the wall, and they get all whipped up. But probably 40 or 50 of illegal immigration in the country is not border crossers, its people who come into the country illegally and say. But if you dont fix the border enforcement component, there is a lot of rhetoric on both sides. My own position, or what its worth, is that you have to fix the border enforcement in a way that convinces the country that we are actually serious about enforcing the borders, and then maybe that creates a political space to do all the other things that need to be done. The democrats think that is an extreme position, but i dont think that will be a position that moves. I think if you dont fix that piece first, then you dont get to everything. Melissa but what you are saying is we do need that political space. Because when you look at rivera, in the Mollie Tibbetts case, he was here in excess of four years and worked for a farm in iowa. According to the farms ownership had gone through some sort of everify situation. So we need to take a look at, i guess, all of it. All of it. Melissa at the white house responding to senator schumers call for republicans to stop the process for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in the aftermath of yesterdays legal developments. Whether the movie is just plain politics, or fair game. Oh oh ozempic® vo people with Type 2 Diabetes are excited about the potential of onceweekly ozempic®. In a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. Oh under seven . vo and you may lose weight. 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Andrew shoot from the hip, i would be inclined to answer that and say, no, because i dont like theres a basis for it. We love to say that this was pristine and legal and it occurs on a different plane, but this is all about politics. These Confirmation Processes are always all about politics. The democrats will ratchet up this rhetoric because the margin is very thin them. If they can push a couple of boats to the other side, neither they block his confirmation. From my perspective i dont see anything principle from my perspective. Donald trumps president until he is not, and i expect him to be president until at least 2020. I dont Think Cavanaugh becomes at all illegitimate because of whatever problems President Trump has. Deal with it and vote. And harris, yesterday he met with Susan Collins and they talked a lot about roe v. Wade. Theres a principled opposition on the democratic side because they are concerned about that. Harris theyve always been concerned about that and regardless of what the president talked about on the campaign trail, contemporaneous with him nominating kavanaugh, he said when i talk to candidates, the litmus test will not be roe vs. Wade. So i think for democrats its always been something that they are interested in and the constituency of women they are telling to be worried about it, i dont know how necessary that is. But i give more credit today than i have one week ago to democrats for sitting down with her. Its not just a couple in red state where they are in trouble. And i do so for two reasons. For one, they can make that document asking now directly to the candidate, or to the nominee. Good luck with that because i have documents already. But the other thing is, how do you go back to your constituents and say, you didnt even try to get to know somebody who potentially could hold a job for decades. So i give them more credit this week than last where i would like to see democrats get, if its possible, if its at those hearings and ask those questions that really matter and not just all the political ones that andy is talking about. Melissa and you talk about what is principal versus political, but that is about politics. I understand how everyone feels about Abortion Rights is very much moral in their mind, but as a political point, i think everyone is voting on a long political lines and, i know he will vote based on your politics. I dont even think theres anything wrong with that, its better to be honest going, there is no way im going to vote for this person because there politics dont line up with mind. But i will still talk to them. On the republican side, totally its completely political. I think the problem is, the Supreme Court nominees, this use to not be as political. Win . That ship has sailed. Andrew even in the 90s. Ginsburg was like 98nothing, it is to not be as political too long ago. Melissa but you are too ashamed to vote on party lines at that point. Went on democrats the point being is the ships sailing and its moving forward. Kavanaugh will be confirmed unless he implodes during the Confirmation Hearing, this thing is happening. As long as i get republicans on board. You look at polling and in a lot of these red states theres been polling in indiana, West Virginia, the majority of these red states wants their senator to confirm kavanaugh. So melissa candidates are helping that desire among theirs. So you are also going to pick up some of those red state democrats and this is happening. So we can debate all those Different Things. Does this change the way we look at the Supreme Court justice position . Because you pointed out with a huge majority in favor, bipartisan or nonpartisan, whatever it was. But does this fight kind of cheapen or weaken . Andrew i think that ship has sailed. I think a lot of people, myself included, look at the court as much more of a Political Institution done a Legal Institution in the way it used to be. These battles are political. Donald trump is president today because of justice the lease. If that had not been the case, you would not be president. Its infused with of politics and i dont think theres any getting away with it. We will continue to watch that hearing. President trump calling out the nfl players and the league itself over National Anthem protests and now he is going after espn. What the Sports Network data and what the president has to say about it, next. Stay tuned. Speak to you are all proudly standing for our National Anthem, thank you. [cheers and applause] the espn thing was terrible, it just came out. George woke up in pain. But he has plans today. Hey dad. So he took aleve. If hed taken tylenol, hed be stopping for more pills right now. Only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. Aleve. All day strong. Aleve. All day strong. The first survivor of alzis out there. Ase and the Alzheimers Association is going to make it happen. But we wont get there without you. Join the fight with the Alzheimers Association. But first lets touch base with harris and see whats coming up on outnumbered over time. Harris big show for you coming up in a few minutes. President trump going after the Russian Investigation after two of his former associates have been convicted. Is he right . Robert muellers probe has strayed too far from its original intent. And David Sicilian he will debate, and that will be spicy, no doubt. And is this more proof that we need tougher Immigration Laws . Senator joni ernst of iowa will weigh in when she joins me. Top of the hour. Melissa . Melissa sounds like a good show, harris. President trump again weighing in on the latest of the nfl National Anthem controversy. At his rally in West Virginia last night. He set his sights on espn this time after the network announced it would not show the anthem in its monday night football broadcast. Listen. President trump it was Just Announced by espn that, rather than defending our anthem, our beautiful, beautiful National Anthem, and defending our flag, they have decided that they just want broadcast what they play. So while the players are dealing, you are all proudly standing for our National Anthe National Anthem. Whats interesting here is they held a summit on white house reform just a few weeks ago. Do you think that the players took players off the field there would be room for compromise . On the issue i think possibly. And weve seen people who have gone out and work with communities and tried to get players into the community is to talk about these issues. Donald trump has said these players should be fired. So yes he had a wet roundtable but his language against them is so incredibly offensive. The espn doesnt normally broadcast the anthem, its their normal procedure and they are not going to change it now. Donald trump thinks this issue wins with his base. But all he is doing is playing politics. Has issue is the fact that they are doing this on the time of the game, the fact that they are doing this on the clock when they are supposed to be playing a game. And the owners can make that decision. So the difference that i say, they brought this off the field, which is what president has an issue with, maybe thats an area of compromise. You look at the majority of voters, not just republicans in a space, but they have largely been against still kneeling. The majority of americans dont want to see this happening so how do you think announcements like this from espn play into that . How do you think the viewers will feel . Melissa i dont know who they are pulling when they ask people about this. We watch football, we love football football in our house. Im generally not organized enough to be there when the National Anthem is going on, im still making snacks in the kitchen and getting people to sit down. So i recognize the issue, but i dont think we even know everyone is kind of doing it for a different reason. They are out for a different issue and standing up for a different right and the whole thing kind of just goes by and its time for the seven layer dip. Andrew i think its just a Master Culture Warrior in the sense that, he can take a 50 50 issue that is good for him, a disaster for the nfl and probably a disaster for espn. But they didnt change what they did. Theyve never broadcasted it. Melissa so maybe i wasnt making chips, it just wasnt on tv. Andrew when i was a kid, deep into the last century, they always play the National Anthem and they havent done it for years. On tv, that is. Melissa every thing is political these days. More outnumbered in just from 899, during sleep numbers biggest sale of the year. 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