Its not just that this case has gone on, kennedy, its been in this Suspended Animation for quite some time. Yeah. Its like having a baby and being eight days overdue. You just dont know when youre going to give birth. I think its more painful than that. The menendez trial. Perhaps it is. Interestingly the map in the senate is up for grabs in two ways. You have a fraud trial. Theres a sitting republican governor that doesnt have very long until he leaves office. But you also have the case in alabama that were going to discuss later in the show with roy moore who so far is not dropping out of the race. And could potentially have another one with al franken. We dont know. The judge in new jersey says hes not going to declare a mistrial right this second. He wants to interview the foreman. He said i thought i would be candidate with you, quoting judge. Theres no cameras in the courtroom but we have our news team in there. So theyre sending us notes. Your honor, the reason it would not be futile, the jury is under the impression they need to reach a unified vote. So theyre going back and forth with defense. Theyre having a conversation in the courtroom. Day 38. They need to know if they have to be unanimous on all of the counts or thats the big back and forth. Post bob mcdonald who was prosecuted for way less than menendez. Menendez had women flown in from overseas, a 90 Million Medicare scam that is funding this for him. It looks bad. Its amazing theres not more coverage. Post mcdonald, what is a quid pro quo. The standard was elevated by the Supreme Court there. This is a case where theyre determining what is the quid pro quo . Verdict. The judge said based on the note that doesnt seem like an instruction that would make any sense. The gap here is just too broad, too wide. Theres too many despairent views and he wouldnt order a partial verdict. The judge has indicated he wants to interview the foreman of the year to hear in his words that the jury is deadlocked. What will likely happen then, after he speaks with the foreman of the year, the judge then may actually want to speak to the individual other 11 members of the jury polling them. Not to hear so much whether they were going to vote for an acquittal or for guilt, but to hear in their words that the jury is deadlocked. Its increasingly likely its moving in that direction. What should be noted, harris, this has been a 11week trial. The jury has deliberated now for more than 30 hours. Millions of dollars has been spent, and now if there is a mistrial, the government is going to have to decide if they are going to try Robert Menendez once again starting from scratch. Harris . You know, all of this fits together. If you dont take into account that they were almost at the same point last week with the jury with the longstanding vacation held out and they replaced that person. Its interesting even though they replaced a person that told the media that he or she thought that menendez was innocent, you still are deadlocked. What is being said about that . Well, we have no idea what has happened inside the jury room. What is notable, monday, we got a note from the jury saying that i were deadlocked. Since then, weve heard absolutely nothing from the jury. They did not ask for a readback of any of the testimony. They did not ask to examine any of the exhibits. The jury has been presumably deliberating, talking among themselves. How wide the gap is, we dont know. What are the issues . We dont know. As you indicated, the juror who was dismissed last week because she had a long planned vacation gave multiple interviews to the media saying the jury was going to be deadlocked and also saying that her personal view is that Robert Menendez should be acquitted. Theres others with a different perspective. At this point in time, the senator still in the courtroom behind me. We expect that if there is a mistrial declared, he will come out and speak. Back to you. David lee miller, well come back as the news warrants. Big story right now. The president of the United States is on capitol hill. Hes meeting right now with House Speaker paul ryan and Senate Majority leader mitch
mcconnell. Theyve been talking about what it takes previous to this to get the senate and the house versions to merge. Would love to be a Fly On The Wall in all of this. Theres a lot at stake today, melissa. Oh, a lot at stake. They know they have to make this a win, however you can do it. Chopping down some of the details, if you look at a a lot of people are looking at the penalty you pay if you didnt buy obamacare, stripping that away. 58 of the funds that are paid as penalty are paid by the bottom 50 . If you strip away the mandate, a lot of people losing coverage. You have to wonder if these people were willing to pay a tax, which remember, the Supreme Court declared that this was a tax, that is why were allowed to talk about it in reconciliation now. If people believe that was a tax and they would rather pay it rather than buying insurance they dont want, cant use, cant afford, whatever it is, this seems like it could be a step in the right direction. A senator told me in the finance committee, they met before they began their hashing out and finishing their senate tax. The irs is the one that provided the numbers about who is paying the penalty. So they slide this in. The house has not been theyve said they dont have this in their version that they already put up for a vote or going to put up for a vote. It does the mean they can add it. The only reason they dont have it is because they thought the senate wouldnt accept it. Now that the senate has approved turfing the mandate, the house will obviously accept it. Theyre right to do it. If this is what it took to dismantle obamacare, why didnt they do this in the first place . Why did they waste so much time why do you think . Because they were trying to tinker with it and offer an alternative. What it does, yes, four million of those people the estimate is between 4 and 6. 5 million. Youre right. But the reality is, those People Dont Want insurance. They dont want insurance. The senate bill might not pass, guys. Too much insurance for young, healthy people. The affordability the exchanges cost much more the senate bill might not pass. Might not pass because of this provision. Theyre on a razor thin the Senate Version might not pass because of what . Collin murkowskis and others are concerned about this being included. Collins has been open about it. Before commercial break, i
want to give buck our last word. Do you think theres any democrats to make up a deficit if republicans get over the line and move two people . No. At this point theyre all in in opposition. Theyll view this as Keeping Points off the board. Doesnt remember what the final house or senate bill is, democrats will oppose it because the narrative going into the beginnings of the midterm cycle, republicans cant get anything done. Everything else is details. Hanging in the balance, the american people. Anyway, moving on. More controversy in the Alabama Senate race. Roy moore is facing more accusers as resistance builts. Given to the Hillary Clinton email investigation that appears to contradict something james comey said. Hillary clinton is speaking out amid calls for a Special Counsel to investigate all of the issues surrounding her. It will also sent a terrible signal to our country and the world that somehow we are giving up on the kind of values that we
fox news alert. New information about Hillary Clinton, her email scandal and whether a Special Counsel should be assigned to investigate her. That was the president and of course hes just met with paul ryan and Senate LeaderMitch Mcconnell. Im listening. He just told everybody that the talks are going well so far. Hes there because he sees like a president ial whipper for the votes. Hes there to find out whether or not theyve got them and he wants to make sure that he can push the tax reform over the hump with his motivation of being there on capitol hill. If both sides, the senate and the house, can get together and possibly hand him something for his desk at the end of the year. Thats been the rally call from the president. He wanted something before thanksgiving from the house. Theyre going to take a vote later this afternoon. He could get that. But can he get the total package
from both chambers on the hill for him to sign before christmas . Thats the big question. Its always a big deal when the president puts his toe in the water to see what the temperature is. Its a bigger deal when he makes his presence known in person. An interesting shot of the floor there. Very clean, polished. Nice marble. Did we pay for that . You bet we did. Were waiting for the president to reemerge. Hes meeting with leaders on capitol hill so he can talk with them, take their temperature on where they are. Who does he need to talk to. Is this a hidden camera pro show . Who does he need to talk to, buck, to make sure the nos that are outstanding that he can soften, gauge, who is having a problem like with salt . Yeah. State and local looms. In the short term, republicans
are thinking sure, we can lose state and local. Longer term, there would be fallout from it. In the meantime can i pause you . I think that people may have a different understanding. So what youre saying theres a longterm effect if people in high tax states cant deduct their state taxes on their fell income . Thats the provision the state has wiped away. Why is that important and what the longterm looks like. The state and local deduction has been around a long time because a lot of the blue states that have it say they contribute more to the federal government than other states that are bigger recipients of federal largess. This is a political issue for the states that do have it. Peter king, republicans, but theyre from blue states but they want to make sure its out of it. On trump and why hes speaking to everybody right now, i think that the optics are just that President Trump wants everyone
to know that this is not on him. The congress has to know its not on him. No, no. I disagree. Until they put something in front of him and he refuses to sign it, the criticism no. I want to go to melissa. Yeah, i disagree with you its on him. He loves the role of deal maker. He wants to its not on him. Okay. Its not. You agree. We agree. He wants to no, he will get blamed in the long run. I dont think thats why hes out here. I disagree thats why hes out here and why hes talking. I think hes out there not because he wants to watch his hands of it but he wants to get in deeper and he wants to make sure a deal is done and make sure a deal happens in the box between what the house and put forward and the senate has put forward. Hes happy to agree somewhere. He will take the blame if it doesnt work Senate Republicans take the place. Theyre dropping the ball, this
is everybody does no. The house will pass it. They have the votes. Kevin brady has done an about face on the salt deductions. Hes done an about face on those as much as he can. The point is with the president visiting capitol hill, he didnt do enough on healthcare and thats where he got some blame. He didnt do enough personal whipping. He sent Vice President pence to do that and it wasnt enough. They realize how critical that face time is with the president and how much impact and influence that can have on senators that are on the fence like ron johnson. I think theres a way susan collins, you can write her off. Someone like ron johnson, hes making a strong stand because he has specific points that he want to negotiate. I think theres a deal to be had there. To bucks point, theres 17 republican members of the house who are representing districts in california, new jersey or new york. 17. Democrats only need to take 24 seats back to pick up the house. Im not saying all of them will
lose. Peter king and his colleagues are concerned about this politically. The congressional nonpartisan analyst came out with more statistics that will race taxes on families that just came out before we came on air. Theres political challenges to marrying the two versions to even getting this over the finish line in the senate. I also think President Trump is probably talking to Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan about the roy moore race. He has other business to do. Until the congress presents President Trump with something to sign and he fails to sign it, any criticism of trump not getting its not really his legislative agenda. Its the legislature. Hes pushing for it. Until they put something in front of him no, ditchmitch. Thats very popular. Mitch mcconnell will get the blame for this. Thats part of this and its not even nuance. They know who steve bannon is. They know the president doesntlike Mitch Mcconnell. Going into the midterms, absent that situation where he doesnt sign something, its clear. After the midterms and by the way if we might have a democrat problem with them having control of one of the parts of congress uhoh yes. Thats what youll hear. Unless trump fails to sign major legislation, its not on him. Thats fair, by the way. I want to tell everybody, remind them what were looking at so they dont think were sitting on this picture for no reason. Its because the president of the United States is on capitol hill. He just met with the two people that we mentioned, paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell. The democrats are thirsty because they think theyre about to see a flipping of bicameral leadership. Were all watching because its our money theyre fighting over
and negotiating over. It is a fight when you consider the sticking points are a yes or no type thing. You can massage state and local taxes. If its a yes or no on obamacare mandate, if its a yes or no whether you have salt deductions, its not a massaging. Theyre Deal Breakers for some. Its a huge deal. Theoretically if youre a reason, you cant allow these cities to have these huge budgets like new york city where theyre wasting money hand over fist. Theyre spending 25 more over de blasio than before and everything is worse. Homelessness is worse. More trash on the streets dont even mention the subways. Yeah. You cant allow new yorkers to deduct that. This causes me so much pain. Its going to cost me personally money, the salt thing. But you have to agree with the logic of it and the theory. You quoted that people that make
10,000 are going to pay between 10,000 and 75,000 the next decades. And people that make 10,000 dont pay any federal taxes. Across the country. Im speaking politically. That statistic when republicans said this will help the middle class, for the middle class, that statistic alone is tough to defend. The other things they have to come agreement on is when they roll in the deduction in Corporate Tax. Do they want to do Something Like what Ari Fleischer told me recently, the former Press Secretary for g. W. Bush, maybe they do 27. 5 this year and lower it down to the 20 next year. Who knows. Were watching all of it. These are our dollars that theyre talking about. Tax money. Tax reform. Potentially the biggest reform weve seen since reagan in the late 80s. Were watching for it, watching for the president to come out. Hes told us once its going well. What will he say next . Our cameras are there. Stay close. Your Brain Changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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franken grabbed her breasts that were covered by the kevlar vest. He appears to be touching the vest and posed for the frat boytype of photo. Back to you. Thanks, doug. Marie, i going to come to you first. Not because hes a democratic senator but something you said. Its time for people to stop behaving badly. We need to believe women, we need to hold powerful men accountable. To this point, its been all men who have been accused. And that goes for any party. Democrats, republicans, independents. Members of the senate, the house and the president who has been accused of things. We need in this country to have a discussion culturally. Its crossed all party lines. Its crossed into media, sports, crossed into comedy and entertainment. We have a problem. We talk about this a lot, harris. We have to start believing people when they say this is happening. Taking it seriously. You know, kennedy, im looking back al franken has been married since 1975 to the same woman, franie. He was in couple a couple years later. The first part, being married, you have collateral damage. This matters, too. So on twitter as the me2 campaign has going on, this is al franken. Sexual violence is not taken lightly. We need to support survivors. Kennedy . Theres a strata of these things. One, when victims of stuff like this, see stories about harvey
weinstein and roy moore and lord knows how many other names have been put forward lately, its retraumatizes them and jostles memories. The problem is, theres so many men that have been accused of so much, the most egregious stories get lost in all of that. Thats upsetting. Theres a difference between someone being a complete buffoon like al franken and harvey and if he stuck his tongue down her throat, thats assault as well. It makes me think, he said its supposed to be a joke. I have never understood humor when its okay to be homophobic or okay to be racist or sexist when you make these jokes about groups of people. When its okay to say that and
you cant say like richard pryor. He will explain the difference. Theres a big difference between someone being a comic and someone being a creep. Al franken here is being a power structure, they field vulnerable d. C. , capitol hill is up there. I dont think what were hearing about franken is by any means the end of this. Its the beginning. Theres a lot of improper stuff going on and probably a lot of people. Yes, a lot of people nervous at remembering things that they have done years ago and when are those accusations going to come in. Were seeing a line move particularly on capitol hill. A lot of discussion about how
theyre going to within their own house, capitol hill or Congress Deal with complaints of Sexual Harassment and misconduct and so on and so forth. We move on. New accusers coming forward saying theyre victims of alabama senator candidate roy moore. How roy Moores Campaign is responding today. Stay close. I love you so much. Were going to be best friends forever. Let out your inner child at the lexus december to remember sales event. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Character, this tweet at the Senate Majority leader has declared moore unfit for office. Dear Mitch Mcconnell, bring it on and the defiance building from his fellow republicans for him to step aside. Lindsey graham says moore at a minimum was creepy. Hes asking for the Republican Party to do the right thing. He was on the no fly list for a mall, which is stunning. It gets credibility to the allegations of these women. I would like the Republican Party of alabama to step up and fix this problem for the country and for the Republican Party. First daughter ivanka trump not holding back in an interview with the Associated Press saying theres a special place in hell for people who prey on children. Ive yet to see a valid explanation and i have no reason to doubt the victims account. Just when you think you heard it all, we have this. Politico reporting that the gop is asking Luther Strange to
resign his senate seat to trigger a new special election. Ill go to you. You have to be thinking that everybody is sitting behind the scenes for a plan on how were going to salvage this. What do you think . I do a syndicated radio show. We have a lot of callers calling in from alabama calling in. Heres what theyre overwhelmingly saying about this. Let the people of alabama vote on this issue. Let the people of alabama choose their senator and adjudicate this through the political process. That is the way its set up right now. There will never be legal due process for the accused or the accusers. No one says this is going to trial. So the moment you start introducing what are considered to be Outsider Plans to influence even on the gop side, im saying theres a lot of pushback against that because it feels like the gop, whether its the state of alabama or d. C. , theyre trying to muddy this up in a way they shouldnt. Now im not an alabama voter. I feel like they would like the opportunity to make this Judgment Call at the ballot box themselves. They dont want someone stepping in with another plan. And they may end up electing a democrat. Doug jones has polled within the margin of error. Theyre looking at these other options. Buck is here. I dont think it will help the National Establishment in the Republican Party who already has problems. The democrats could win this seat here. Look, a lot of people have said even if doug jones wins, hes a very respectable candidate. When the election comes after this, the republicans will likely take it back. Dont meddle in the process. A democrat may win, but roy moore going back to the previous segment, this is serious. These women are on the record. When youre having to defend a year book and go to a Handwriting Analysis louis gilmer, representative in texas, said hes been part as a legal representative of rape cases, sexual assault. He says 38 years is a long time to gather evidence. It would take a long time before they get an answer. But at the end of the day, if alabama makes the decision, senator john mccain has said that he thinks he could lead a coalition to constitutionally make sure that moore would not take his seat. Come on. Republicans should there be a situation where it was found that roy moore was guilty of something. So mccains side is let alabama choose and let the senate unseat. From what youre saying and from what youre going to say, kennedy, none of it respects the voters vote but i dont know how theyll do it. Its wildly hypocritical of anyone in the gop to say we dont like the outcome of this election. Therefore were going to use extra judicial means in order to undo the election results. Thats what the democrats are trying to do with President Trump and thats why the republicans are swatting them down. Its not okay. So i understand you have a razor thin margin. You know, this is not a trivial concern for someone like Mitch Mcconnell who is holding on to power. Theyre trying to figure out some way in a republican state to washington in light of these accusations. One of to suggestions is fire jeff sessions. Hes not a good a. G. Send him back to alabama. He could name a Special Counsel on his way out the door. Theres a lot of things that would be quite an exit. Im just saying all right. Me time. A new report that democrats may be stuck in the past as they attempt to rebrand their image. Is the partys old guard shedding out fresh voices . We debate. What i want, you
and it might be hard to handle but like the flame that burns the candle the candle feeds the flame topped steak twisted potatoes at applebees. Eatin good in the neighborhood. You can see hes been meeting with we think it was speaker ryan and house leader mcconnell. Theyre not confirming what he was talking to. You can get that taxes were the first topic on everyones minds as they met Behind Closed Doors and tried to talk about how both houses could come together on a tax bill. Theyre probably talking about this issue of roy moore as well. I dont know that. Im just guessing what do you think, buck . What you think theyre talking about there . Im assuming that taxes is top of the agenda. Im not sure. From what ive seen and heard so far, looks like trump is taking a pretty handsoff approach to the roy moore situation, which i have to say i think falls in line with what, as i said, im hearing and a lot of others are as well about what gop voters in alabama would like. They want more information, want the story to be followed. They want the election theyve been having and want this to go through. Trump is trying to allow that. Where do you think the wiggle
room is on the tax plan . You look at the two differences. You think about it. What do you think ends up falling by the wayside . I dont think the individual mandate theres the president waving and walking by the cameras, going to a hidden corridor to hogwart and i dont believe were going to get any sound. There he is again from a different angle. We have pence in the mix. The high five, thumb up. No comments. Theres so much to discuss. Im more optimistic. I have no faith in congress whatsoever but im more optimistic than my colleagues on the couch, Including Buck and marie, that the senate will figure out a way to do this and pass it. I think Mitch Mcconnell is probably exhorting the president to get involved in the roy moore scandal more openly and say
something to try to get more out of him. Can i speak to your relative lack of cynicism. I hope what youre saying is true. If this Congress Cannot get tax cuts, they cant get anything. They should leave. And they probably will. This will turn into a delay pattern. This will be like the airline when they keep coming out saying its going to be another hour, another hour. You know eventually theyll cancel the flight. Yeah, its not leaving. Thats the congress in summary. And however, marie, i dont see democrats as having some bold alternative plan to republicans other than obstruct and resist. You have people in the party leading the party who are essentially 700 years old apiece. I think that on the senate side, i actually think theres some democrats that would have entertained this before the republicans got put in there. People like joe manchin, joe donnelly, folks saying that maybe we can take a look at
this. But once you put obamacare in with tax cuts. But the true question here is, what is donald trump saying to them . None of us believe that hes in the intricacies of politics hes saying get it done. The pep rally. A Pep Rally Doesnt Bridge the gap between the senate and the house version. Hes saying you do it. He said yeah, our jobs are on the line. Hes a deal maker. So he doesnt he doesnt know the details. He believes in the Corporate Tax cut. Theres no way hes not a big proponent of that. He absolutely knows the deal. He needs to use the policy to his benefit. He knows the tax code in and out i want to see his taxes. What is he saying to the senate about the oneyear delay its bad. Its a bad move. One at a time. You cannot run in a midterm
election on Corporate Tax cuts alone. It will not work. Amen. You pass it now, you have already at 3, 3. 5 gdp growth. Im agreeing with you. Makes me sad. In the meantime, as we watch this car pull in and pull away and we keep track of what the president is doing, were going to squeeze in a quick break. Well be right back. Because i get a Safe Driving Bonus check every six months im accident free. And i dont share it with mom right, mom . Righttt. Safe driving bonus checks. Only from allstate. Switching to allstate is worth it. If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back,
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